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@MerryMaggie
4 жыл бұрын
This is why we are frequently reminded in the stichera of the church about "Saints known and unknown". The Church doesn't make Saints. God does. My honest hope is to become Holy and not be on an icon.
@BibleIllustrated
4 жыл бұрын
Likewise! A very good approach!
@gideonjudges7
4 жыл бұрын
"Many Bojans died to bring us this information." -Mon Mothma
@sebathadah1559
3 жыл бұрын
Bothans*
@HickoryDickory86
3 жыл бұрын
@@sebathadah1559 His name is Bojan. That's the joke.
@sofiabennett2845
4 жыл бұрын
When Bojan said Orthodox Church and simple in the same sentence I literally laughed out loud😂
@tharos
4 жыл бұрын
Do you know how many monasteries I've founded?!? (in strategy games)
@tuck-brainwks-eutent-hidva1098
4 жыл бұрын
I put one into a farming/city-building game on my phone. It's really cute. Vineyard, apiaries, scribe workshop. Definitely worth some saint points. 😉
@dershogun6396
3 жыл бұрын
I Play a lot of strategy games and I know not one where you can found monasteries. Can you give me names ?
@manuruizcavanagh
3 жыл бұрын
@@dershogun6396 ther is one almost unknown called AGE OF EMPIRES!!!!!!!! Have you never played it?
@HickoryDickory86
3 жыл бұрын
I established many churches and converted numerous nations to our Lord in Age of Empires when I was a child. 😁 I'm fast tracked for sure! 😇
@axlereid
4 жыл бұрын
Just wondering if your bishop has a good sense of humour or if he has no understanding of English 😅
@GeonusKaikun
4 жыл бұрын
This is actually an accurate depiction of all the crazy loops we humans jump through to recognize sainthood, versus actual sainthood in the eyes of God, whether or not the Church ever knows about them. True saints don't want the glory.
@kaybrown4010
4 жыл бұрын
My husband has a beard that rivals those on Athos. Does that count? May St. Sergius of Radonezh protect you from hellish hags! And may you feel much better very soon, Bojan. 🙏🏻☦️♥️
@tuck-brainwks-eutent-hidva1098
4 жыл бұрын
He definitely should have included beard points!
@oo1o11o
Жыл бұрын
Off to start my monastery :)
@Cross0987
3 ай бұрын
Lmk, when you're done. I'd like to join.
@theodorewitt
4 жыл бұрын
I love all the hard work you put into your videos
@igorstachula
4 жыл бұрын
Me being a reader It ain't much but it's honest work
@roawesomeface1947
4 жыл бұрын
"The Thing on the Doorstep" is a bit of a semi-obscure Lovecraft reference. How much of his work have you read? Also, excellent video!
@BibleIllustrated
4 жыл бұрын
Not a whole lot, but reading more and more. I'm a fan of liches and I collect works where they feature. :-)
@milica7522
3 жыл бұрын
@@BibleIllustrated so... how's our favourite blazenopočivši Patriarch Pavle holding up in your diagram? I know its been five months since your video, but I hope you see this. Does he have a chance?
@90HardyA
4 жыл бұрын
I love this video . You have a great sense of humor and I learned a lot . Thanks for sharing
@flaviusbelisarius7517
4 жыл бұрын
So what I'm getting is I need to do successful missionary work and then be killed for it while never renouncing god.
@tuck-brainwks-eutent-hidva1098
4 жыл бұрын
So, street outreach in most major American cities here in Summer 2020 should do it...?
@badname9202
4 жыл бұрын
Imagine commenting before the video is even out Hype! :)
@squirrelknight4878
4 жыл бұрын
What if someday in the future, iterations of this flow chart will start including social media channels (like youtube if it's still around) as a method of improving your chances for canonization.
@PhoebeK
4 жыл бұрын
A good explanation of the mess, though you missed a few: Being the mother / big sister of at least one Bishop saint, the Wife of a saint might also work. There is also a subcategory of non-martyr deacon who made saints in the past, Women Deacons few and far between but most who we know of are saints (admittedly the requirement for celibacy helped). Being the God child or God parent of a Saint also helps in sainthood. Also non-monastic celibates sometimes make the list of Saints especially if they do repentance well (eg. St Mary of Egypt) Of course both lots of Modern saints protested vocally in their life times that they were not worthy to be called saints so there is hope for the rest of us and if not recognized by the church we will not get pestered in the afterlife. ;)
@phoenixshadow6633
Жыл бұрын
A non-nun, non-martyr female saint we share in common is St. Monica.
@stanley.777
7 ай бұрын
True, but that could be related to her being the mother of St. Augustine of Hippo.
@zebra_eater7419
4 жыл бұрын
On my quest for canonization I have decided to go to Pakistan to preach the Gospel there, wish me luck!
@paulbrule5897
3 жыл бұрын
So martyrdom then?
@diansc7322
Жыл бұрын
honest question tho is it wrong to seek out martyrdom?
@karenmaawad7739
4 жыл бұрын
I honestly hoped you were going to make a point at the end of the video about what BEING a saint really is, even if you're not recognized as one or even recognized as the opposite for whatever reason. A little bit disappointed for lost potential, but still lots of love from the Coptic Orthodox Church!
@BibleIllustrated
4 жыл бұрын
I already have a video 'Be a Great Saint' ;-)
@karenmaawad7739
4 жыл бұрын
Yes, I love that one too, May God bless your work!
@crackingcrisps8407
4 жыл бұрын
Are you a martyr? Wonderful question
@alankusparmakov9330
4 жыл бұрын
"You were killed for your faith?!" -"Sadly, yes... *but I lived!* "
@tuck-brainwks-eutent-hidva1098
4 жыл бұрын
I can think of some folks for whom the description, if not the Church definition, would apply nicely...does THAT count?
@luisnuke8389
4 жыл бұрын
"I was martyred for Christ and all I got was this lousy t-shirt"
@angeloleone9793
4 жыл бұрын
This is brilliant! If you wake from your vitamin induced coma, please consider doing one for your Roman brothers. I mean a video, not a coma.
@acekoala457
2 жыл бұрын
Go to India and perform surgery without anesthesia
@Kolajer
4 жыл бұрын
Keep strong, and may God protect you from the horde of harassing hags
@BibleIllustrated
4 жыл бұрын
HHH are the worst.
@tuck-brainwks-eutent-hidva1098
4 жыл бұрын
😅😅😅Clearly you were either feeling much better when you summoned the sense of humor to write this, OR you were so close to death you had slipped into delirium....I pray it is the former, for ALL our sakes! 😏🙏☦
@rationsofladyfingers
4 жыл бұрын
Semi-related to sainthood, I've seen many online trad Cats claim that being in a state of mortal sin renders your prayers spiritually unmeritorious, so you can pray but your prayers won't be efficacious until you have confessed & been absolved. Making a sincere act of contrition can apparently restore you to a state of grace (though I'm not sure exactly what qualifies such an act as sincere), but you still must confirm your penitence in the confessional asap. How does Orthodoxy approach praying while having committed grave sins?
@tmcc1647
4 жыл бұрын
As St. Paul teaches, we should pray without ceasing. We are all sinful and in need of healing. Go to confession regularly. We believe in Theosis.
@williampotter1004
4 жыл бұрын
www.papalencyclicals.net/clem11/c11unige.htm Trad cats need to read Unigenitus by clement the 11th. It states, that the proposition #50 "In vain we cry out to God: My Father, if it is not the spirit of charity which cries out." is HERESY. Now it is true that one cannot earn additional merit in heaven while in a state of mortal Sin, but this does not amount to saying that the prayers are completely in vain. Such a position is Jansenism.
@pipsasqeak820
3 жыл бұрын
@@tmcc1647 trad cats say alot of things
@CatieD
3 жыл бұрын
the "are you a nun" hit a little too close to home :(
@spilkafurtseva1918
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your service, I salute you Bojen 👋🏼
@BibleIllustrated
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much Spilka! And thank you so much for your patronage! :-)
@observantowl1726
4 жыл бұрын
What about a female martyr?
@BibleIllustrated
4 жыл бұрын
Yes
@wrybreadspread
4 жыл бұрын
As a fellow Lovecraft reader...my gut hunch is that any predilection for that type of literature is antithetical to canonization.
@goodbanter4427
3 жыл бұрын
Well to be fair, the Myhrronbearers for example were neither the Theotokos nor nuns and they're saints either way
@kylebrogmus8847
4 жыл бұрын
Hope you feel better bro.
@samuelresz71
4 жыл бұрын
If you die from big rona, does that count as martyrdom? Seriously though, get well soon.
@arieljr.caldit5608
4 жыл бұрын
People do call me “insane,” so I must be on my way to sainthood. 😂
@MaryHernandez-lq8kq
2 жыл бұрын
Bojan, if a priest treats his wife like he is a widower then he is a bad husband. How can he be a Saint while neglecting her?
@gravelroad1228
4 жыл бұрын
I am the furthest thing from a saint one can imagine...
@user-to7qd5gk5k
4 жыл бұрын
Unless your monastery is a heresy...
@SamuelSarajyan-vb7my
10 ай бұрын
I didnt get about the bishops. Bojan youight never see this cooment however who does please explain to me the bishops thing of ending up in hell.
@mistertrumpet5856
4 жыл бұрын
The last reason better not be real I hope
@bddogcatball
4 жыл бұрын
Great humor! :)
@internalfire11
4 жыл бұрын
Taman htedoh da pitam jesi li se to razmirotocio po kaucu
@BibleIllustrated
4 жыл бұрын
BUKVLANO!
@hannahs1683
4 жыл бұрын
3:03 Can non royal, non martyr, non nuns be canonized in Orthodoxy? That doesn’t sound right but I can’t think of any that aren’t martyrs, nuns or royalty lol
@axlereid
4 жыл бұрын
St Matrona?
@protoeuro
4 жыл бұрын
Perhaps Matushka Olga Michael will get officially canonized at some point! She was a priest's wife.
@pipsasqeak820
3 жыл бұрын
St Mary of Egypt? St John of Kronstadt wife?
@NoogahOogah
4 жыл бұрын
Yo @Bible Illustrated - what saint had a vision of the afterlife that defies the Orthodox view of salvation?? I wanna know. NDEs are my thing
@FireurchinProductionsByzantium
3 жыл бұрын
I assume it was a jab at the toll houses
@NkhosweNumberOne
4 жыл бұрын
What is it with St Chad’s Chin?!
@BibleIllustrated
4 жыл бұрын
Well... he's a chad. :D
@NkhosweNumberOne
4 жыл бұрын
@@BibleIllustrated Ha! (But I had to Google it.)
@NatatheKiller
Жыл бұрын
This was funny video, sometimes i'm laughted :D
@IbnilJabal11
4 жыл бұрын
How about St Ioseb of Gori? Is it the moustache or simply how eminently meme-worthy he's proved to be?
@Renvere
4 жыл бұрын
Don’t fail any more constitution saving throws, Bojan!
@Sleader134
4 жыл бұрын
Hello Reddit!!
@BibleIllustrated
4 жыл бұрын
Why Reddit? :-)
@nagger7272
Жыл бұрын
What about Ольга Кіевна
@BibleIllustrated
Жыл бұрын
Royalty
@andjelamarkovic8573
3 жыл бұрын
Does this mean I won't go to heaven unless I'm a nun?
@BibleIllustrated
3 жыл бұрын
You'll go to heaven Just you won't be canonized
@pipsasqeak820
4 жыл бұрын
*laughs in Laity St Xenia*
@heckinmemes6430
4 жыл бұрын
Isn't counting points a form of avarice? Or do the monks have laypeople keep track of points so that the monks don't lose points for counting? If you martyr yourself by doing a sick flip off of a tall building in the name of Jesus Christ, does that count? What if you consume someone that has been canonized? Just how contagious is sanctity? Should you wear gloves and a mask when handling saints?
@BibleIllustrated
4 жыл бұрын
Yes Yes No No Very Yes *blows smoke off the gun*
@heckinmemes6430
4 жыл бұрын
@@BibleIllustrated Very cool thank you. I've been keeping a Saint in the back yard and I was curious about handling procedures. Goes by the name Bernard.
@richardbenitez7803
4 жыл бұрын
Why is Boyan sick?
@williamsmith6706
4 жыл бұрын
I was wondering how you feel about corneliu codreanu because the orthodox church i attend consider him a martyr and saint because of his help of the poor and his devoution to the orthodox church and the sacrifice of his life to try and stop communism in romania
@eeaotly
4 жыл бұрын
Corneliu Zelea Codreanu was a legionar. He didn't fight againt communism, he just fought for the other ideological totalitarian current that was en vogue in those times. The main difference betwwn them being that one was atheist and the other mystic. Hence, the devotion to church.
@BibleIllustrated
4 жыл бұрын
Hello Will, I've made a series of four videos on him that people hated. Here they are: 1. kzitem.info/news/bejne/r5Wn36acbYyLeIo 2. kzitem.info/news/bejne/trCu03mNgqeVbIY 3. kzitem.info/news/bejne/pol9v4JtiYRzmoY 4. kzitem.info/news/bejne/qYuQyoCXfH6SoGk Please don't hate me :D
@williamsmith6706
4 жыл бұрын
@@BibleIllustrated oh I dont hold hate in my heart towards anyone and hold your opinion as valid same with your criticisms whatever they may be but I'd highly recommend reading his book "for my legionaries" which explain his ideologies and political beliefs well its quite a good book
@BibleIllustrated
4 жыл бұрын
I've tried to read it but it gave me such a violent reaction that I decided to put it down. Simply not a fan of the man.
@orthodoxchristianed2931
4 жыл бұрын
Marriage as a Path to Holiness: Lives of the Married Saints by David and Mary Ford
@eliaswakileh4448
4 жыл бұрын
What about saint romanos the composer? He is not in your diagram
@BibleIllustrated
4 жыл бұрын
Ok, there's an exception here or there :D
@acekoala457
2 жыл бұрын
I am gonna put in my last will and testament that I do not want to be venerated as a Saint.
@misreal2401
4 жыл бұрын
Hi Bojan! I've heard that Jordan Peterson is being treated in Belgrad! Maybe you could pay him a visit if it sounds a good idea. Don't know, just giving an idea
@BibleIllustrated
4 жыл бұрын
I never followed his work too closely, so would be tad weird to try to meet him just because he is famous :-)
@BibleIllustrated
4 жыл бұрын
Also don't want to be the guy who gave the rona to JP :D
@bouseuxlatache4140
4 жыл бұрын
take care
@user-hj8hk9wp9q
4 жыл бұрын
So you have to FEIGN insanity! I knew I was doing something wrong...
@elizabethshaw734
3 жыл бұрын
Now I understand you were just Taste of Bishops after getting a couple of good doses of irenaeus of Belgrade! They have been playing quite a lot of him speaking since his death.
@BibleIllustrated
3 жыл бұрын
Well, of course. We all miss him. :-(
@ronieltaveras6949
4 жыл бұрын
You forgot about St. Monica 😳😳😳
@BibleIllustrated
4 жыл бұрын
Ok, exceptions are possible! :D
@Clodaghbob
4 жыл бұрын
It's not the Hags of the Patriarch. It's just some door-to-door salespeople at the door trying to sell you insurance. They're a bit late.😂🤣😂
@BibleIllustrated
4 жыл бұрын
Those are even worse You can just feel the awkward crystalizing in air
@Ian-fw2fp
2 жыл бұрын
i don't understand what you meant by bishops going to hell, i assume it's just a joke?
@BibleIllustrated
2 жыл бұрын
Of course. :-)
@Ian-fw2fp
2 жыл бұрын
@@BibleIllustrated isn't it basically guaranteed that a bishop will be canonized if that bishop is patriarch?
@BibleIllustrated
2 жыл бұрын
@@Ian-fw2fp Nope. Huge majority of patriarchs aren't canonized.
@Ian-fw2fp
2 жыл бұрын
@@BibleIllustrated was the previous patriarch of belgrade not canonized?
@BibleIllustrated
2 жыл бұрын
@@Ian-fw2fp Nope.
@joshuawebb5891
4 жыл бұрын
Man I knew it was a lot, and am I wrong for saying is the process a tad political ? Just seems like a guy like me , would never be considered . I would end up being the patron saint of Ben and Jerry's or something really obscure. 😆
@BibleIllustrated
4 жыл бұрын
Yup read the lives and you will see how spot on in its :D
@joshuawebb5891
4 жыл бұрын
@@BibleIllustrated is my original comment, off base ? In your opinion ?
@toddvelianski5240
4 жыл бұрын
Me: "Are there any lay non-martyr saints that are useful models of 'normal' living in the world?" Enthusiasts: "Of course! There are tons! The Right-Believing Empress Helena, the Right-Believing Emperor Constantine, the Right-Believing Princess Olga, the Right-Believing Prince Vladimir, the Right-Believing Queen Tamar, the Right-Believing Empress Pulcheria! And many, many more!" Me: "..."
@wayfaringstranger5957
4 жыл бұрын
Worst comment
@BibleIllustrated
4 жыл бұрын
These are literally all royals from the top of the graph :-)
@toddvelianski5240
4 жыл бұрын
@@BibleIllustrated I'd include the Romanovs... But they are under the martyrs category :) Sometimes I'll find a lay saint who lived in the world, only to find out later in life he or she took the tonsure
@jacobborregaard2356
4 жыл бұрын
Sorry to hear that you are sick. Is it corona?
@BibleIllustrated
4 жыл бұрын
Yup, but doing MUCH better, thank God. :-)
@jacobborregaard2356
4 жыл бұрын
Bible Illustrated Oh boy. Well, great to hear that you’re doing better. I caught it in March, never felt so terrible in my entire life... so I survived off of bananas and yogurt for its duration.
@albertaowusu3536
3 жыл бұрын
St Bojan remember your followers. 💒💒💒✝️✝️✝️
@daveunbelievable6313
4 жыл бұрын
always struggled with the implications of being canonised, having a massive following doesn't mean you're definitely in heaven
@we3ggirls
2 жыл бұрын
Fellow married women F in the chat
@Xeres123
4 жыл бұрын
Did you dodge the Patriarch's minions?🤣
@pipsasqeak820
4 жыл бұрын
*laughs in St Xenia*
@rosoideaeco
26 күн бұрын
*laughs in St Olga of Alaska*
@thedreadtyger
4 жыл бұрын
God bless you, friend. you had me at No.
@karenbartlett1307
4 жыл бұрын
You ARE silly, Bojan!
@BibleIllustrated
4 жыл бұрын
Why thank you!
@cheeseheadwizard
4 жыл бұрын
I would be honored to die a martyr.
@DreamlessSleepwalker
4 жыл бұрын
I see you're deleting comments, sad.
@BibleIllustrated
4 жыл бұрын
Which ones?
@BibleIllustrated
4 жыл бұрын
Don't remember deleting comments on this video.
@DreamlessSleepwalker
4 жыл бұрын
Well, I can tell because the lack of negative comments despite the dislike ratio. I can also tell because of certain knowledge that I have.
@eeaotly
4 жыл бұрын
@@DreamlessSleepwalker On the videos about narcissism you can also find only positive and constructive comments. And, in the same time, a lot of dislikes. I always suspect that the dislikers are narcs who are angry of being exposed. And they don't dare to comment anything. The same can apply here, on this channel. Some people might very well dislike, but silently, without starting any arguments in the comments area. It's easier and cheaper to stab people on a dark alley than in a luminous plaza.
@littlelulu5675
4 жыл бұрын
@@DreamlessSleepwalker she can tell because of certain knowledge that she has......wish i had certain knowledge.......but then i am glad for what i have and so thankful for what i do not have
@luffytricolor7715
4 жыл бұрын
I wish i could watch it already
@montenegrinwarriorrace7087
4 жыл бұрын
Is the quip about Bishops losing their sanity and having a definite path to Hell supposed to be a joke? If so, in very poor taste and nigh-blasphemous. Regardless, praying for your health, get well soon. ☦️
@BibleIllustrated
4 жыл бұрын
Not a joke in Serbia. ;-) And thank you!
@BibleIllustrated
4 жыл бұрын
Also, not blasphemous, since bishops aren't God, even tho majority think they are (again, especially in Serbia :D )
@silenciummortum2193
4 жыл бұрын
Bible Illustrated Are you Orthodox? I am converting to ROCOR in a couple months!
@BroadwayRonMexico
3 жыл бұрын
I mean, St John Chrysostom said that the road to Hell is paved with the skulls of bishops. I wouldnt call it blasphemous to say many wont be having a good time at the final judgement
@HelloHello8D
4 жыл бұрын
Is this real?
@BibleIllustrated
4 жыл бұрын
Just a humorous take on the Orthodox canonization process. Don't put too much into it! :-)
@edgriffin6732
4 жыл бұрын
Both St Olga and St Theodora were not nuns, neither gave birth to God, but we're canonized
@BibleIllustrated
4 жыл бұрын
Royalty in the upper part of the graph.
@edgriffin6732
4 жыл бұрын
@@BibleIllustrated egad! Hmm well what about St Mary of Egypt? She wasn't technically a nun Or St Anna, mother of the Theotokos Or St Elizabeth
@RomanusVII
4 жыл бұрын
Edward Griffin She was Monastic, and friends with another Saint.
@BibleIllustrated
4 жыл бұрын
@@edgriffin6732 St. Mary is definitely considered a monastic by the Church. St. Anna and St. Elizabeth would fall under the category of 'biblical persons,' way before there was a process for canonization. :-)
@edgriffin6732
4 жыл бұрын
St Monika? Had a husband and child (Augustine), wasn't royalty, neither biblical, not martyred
@lukababu
4 жыл бұрын
When you brought up points I thought of the translation scene from Life is Beautiful kzitem.info/news/bejne/mqKKuaWZaoeff4o
@bradenrice4246
4 жыл бұрын
This is sacrilegious
@BibleIllustrated
4 жыл бұрын
How? :-)
@user-rh1jo1yy9e
4 жыл бұрын
That's a no from me....... Because I am a filthy, disgusting Uniate.
@wayfaringstranger5957
4 жыл бұрын
Sounds about right
@pennydreadfulism
4 жыл бұрын
Very funny 😆
@wayfaringstranger5957
4 жыл бұрын
Bojan, please delete this video. This is in very poor taste.
@BibleIllustrated
4 жыл бұрын
Nope.
@merkuriysmolensky9111
4 жыл бұрын
This. Very shameful video.
@Orthodox_American
4 жыл бұрын
This video has implications in it that I very much hope Bojan didn't intentionally put in. It seems like this video is disagreeing on the canonization of some of our saints (especially with the comment of visions of the afterlife!) Bojan, I hope you can clear up any misunderstandings.
@BibleIllustrated
4 жыл бұрын
@@adamsmith2944 Patriarch Irineus of Serbia. :-) And dunno where you got the bit about slandering saints.
@BibleIllustrated
4 жыл бұрын
Btw I love how literally every person on this thread is commenting on any my video for the first time ever, but they take the liberty to decided that I'm slandering saints (of all things) and that I should delete the video. Video stays, humorless snowflakes. ;-)
@loverlei79
3 жыл бұрын
lol what if Im a women AND feign insanity?
@BibleIllustrated
3 жыл бұрын
Then you get to star in "The Crucifixion."
@loverlei79
3 жыл бұрын
@@BibleIllustrated muahahaha....I just watched your video on that... I haven't laughhed that hard in awhile!
@charlesbushido6798
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Hahahahahahahaha!!!!!
@Benzene265
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Canonization just means you’re famous for being a Christian.
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