Bit of a slowdown with videos recently as I've been handling some life stuff - should pick up the pace soon here though. Got a Shadowlands video for you next
@FUNNY02100
4 жыл бұрын
Take care of yourself. Don't worry to much about the videos. They're worth the wait.
@vincentreid953
4 жыл бұрын
I still love the content man, keep the quality and don't rush yourself!
@vaenaris2835
4 жыл бұрын
hope you are good man, care about yourself first.
@Kari1313
4 жыл бұрын
Keep it up and take care of yourself. Your health and sanity come first, then making us laugh and etc comes second; lol. Thanks again for such a great and relatable video!
@warriorlord9407
4 жыл бұрын
You have life stuff still after hitting grand Marshal?! *shocked*
@1un4cy
4 жыл бұрын
"Blizzard would balance chess if they could" Karazhan: Have you forgotten so soon?
@Bandoolero
4 жыл бұрын
hhahahaa
@GhostOfLorelei
4 жыл бұрын
I do wonder what chess would be like if you only had queens...who could also move like a knight can.
@ammonn9930
4 жыл бұрын
Balancin chess omfg xDDDD nerf queen pls
@alessandromariani3015
4 жыл бұрын
Balance doesn't mean ruining game mechanics, the chess game is already well balanced lol. Why few people understand this simple concept?
@chalphon4907
4 жыл бұрын
Karazhan chess was very imbalanced, also Medivh cheated
@user-jn3oo5kk8c
4 жыл бұрын
the sad part is: MadSeason made it, asmon will react to it, but blizzard won't listen.
@locre08
4 жыл бұрын
Nobody respects youtubers 👎
@raishisou
4 жыл бұрын
Then bellular makes a almost 30m video claiming that "blizz listened"
@crysosisback7115
4 жыл бұрын
@@raishisou They do listen, it's the thing, but they don't give a fuck a lot of times It's been better recently, they even accepted to pull the blug on the covenant changes in shadowlands if everyone's mad about it at release ... With classic still alive, they do take a tiny bit of inspiration from it ... Right now i'm just hoping they roll BC asap, so they geet more feedback on the "classes can suck at something, as long as they bring something different, it's fine", and then design bosses around that so we get varied raids
@TheodoreBotman
4 жыл бұрын
Asmongold would react to a paper bag if a dog asked him to.
@yoremothra9838
4 жыл бұрын
@@crysosisback7115 BC...jeez, give it a BC'n break already, at the very least wait till phase 6 before you wet yourself in anticipation of that hot mess. TY
@BootlessDave
4 жыл бұрын
Blizzard: "We don't want players to make choices to break tier set bonuses." Also Blizzard: "One of the major RPG elements of a game is player choice, and those choices should have consequences, and that's where Covenants come in."
@zsoltsiro1310
4 жыл бұрын
Absolutely ridiculous
@Jereozone
4 жыл бұрын
Also Blizzard: "Let's make this one hero a must pick for like 2 years but as soon as someone else gets the spotlight let's nerf them into the ground"
@QuixoteX
4 жыл бұрын
omg do you know how many times they did stuff like that? "We're getting rid of this" in the next breath "We're doing this to bring that back."
@mr.hostility8970
4 жыл бұрын
Also Blizzard: Let's make the new expansion as close to a Mobile game as possible. Hail China!
@jeffet5828
4 жыл бұрын
I love how people knew exactly what they were getting into and yet they're complaining about things that are never gonna change.
@westsidermetalhead4997
4 жыл бұрын
They long for the nostalgia of simplicity with their WoW experience. Now when everyone can know everything about the game and the min maxing stuff, people realise how bad Classic is. They just know and see the imperfection now, unlike back in the days.
@EnderGoku9001
4 жыл бұрын
agreed
@cosmicwonderer6269
4 жыл бұрын
What it really is is people talking about what makes the game good and giving feedback to help Blizz make the game better. If you are complaining about something you are invested in it and in the case of WoW, its financial and emotional.
@indeed2207
4 жыл бұрын
That's true, back in the day only few people knew about strats and knew how to really play, and obviously I didn't back then, I was young, and couldn't care less about being the best, I just liked killing things and was never doing raids.
@bikespj22
4 жыл бұрын
Probably from most of the dumb ass private server people making videos about how meme specs are viable
@MarkusAndersen96
4 жыл бұрын
"almost as depressing as my voice" - don't say that, madseason!
@alessandromariani3015
4 жыл бұрын
it's true :'( sry MadSeasonShow . I almost killed myself after the video, if it wasn't for the good content ;)
@AD-uw6bd
4 жыл бұрын
Fuck I love MSS and his self-saddistic sense of humor.
@5hourenergy580
4 жыл бұрын
Ohhh the bald boi is gonna have a field day with this video.
@professorbakasura3295
4 жыл бұрын
little baldy will love it
@createchannel3036
4 жыл бұрын
mald man
@pdpMASTERP
4 жыл бұрын
You missed it he's already been here and commented below
@aspiringnormie9499
4 жыл бұрын
"Doing raids that are as easy as your mom" FATALITY
@krayvok1
4 жыл бұрын
I died laughing at this especially being able to hear the smirk on his face while seamlessly continuing the script. So awesome
@andrewmarceau422
4 жыл бұрын
"Almost as depressing as my voice." I lol'd
@Ltulrich
4 жыл бұрын
You know what game has "perfect balance"? PONG.
@Dirty_bubs
4 жыл бұрын
Nah we all know left paddle has better frame rate😉
@johnathan3328
4 жыл бұрын
@@Dirty_bubs you've won the internet! Congrats!
@ir0x539
4 жыл бұрын
Naw someone has to go first
@ExceedSC2
3 жыл бұрын
Whoever goes first has advantage
@AlaskyHuskyG
3 жыл бұрын
Lol
@Christopher-cd7jy
4 жыл бұрын
Greetings Madseason! Im early so I just wanted to say I adore your content. Keep up your excellent work!
@madseasonshow
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching it...hope you like it!
@LovelyToaster
4 жыл бұрын
this guy got acknowledged by senpai
@simeonowen8230
4 жыл бұрын
@@madseasonshow missing your streams dude
@kylemakaiwi7114
4 жыл бұрын
The "Breastfeeding your 30 year old child" should have shown a picture of Homelander haha.
@ZeyBerlin
4 жыл бұрын
That would have been 👌
@terra1492
4 жыл бұрын
The 8-bit Falco Amadeus music :'D
@Jaysthudandblunder
4 жыл бұрын
ty ty couldn't place the tune was melting my brain ;)
@BloteBast
4 жыл бұрын
I came for this comment. I see you are a man of culture as well.
@flankyfranky3600
4 жыл бұрын
Come and rock me amadeus
@TuffMelon
4 жыл бұрын
My main issue with the balance in live is how often blizzard seems to lose interest in class themes the instant balance has to cut corners somewhere. Destro lock with a crazy and interesting playstyle and spell usage? Fuck that, turn it into Generic Spellcaster #4 But thats the thing. I don't think blizzard has every really liked the warlock/mail classes. Mail always looks like ass and there's still only two classes that use it, and the warlocks often barely use fel or chaos magic. Makes no sense. It explains why blizzard kept flattening the item progression down to basically just a number. Why don't different weapons have different speeds, etc? Because if you're one of the poor sods who keeps playing classes that get fucked by every little change, you'll be grinding for gear far more than the person who retains a half balanced class. People are less likely to play a class if they have no clue if it'll even be good at the end of the week.
@mounirnedjadi5076
4 жыл бұрын
Holy shit. I died when you made the "Another turtle made it to the water" reference.
@NeilRoy
4 жыл бұрын
Same here, burst out laughing. :)
@Cjeska
4 жыл бұрын
I was on my way to do this exact quest, made me sad.
@Hogentheman
4 жыл бұрын
What timestamp?
@definitelynotadam
3 жыл бұрын
So basically: "Waaaah, my play to win "fair" pvp doesn't work and I liked it that way"
@ralrem4005
4 жыл бұрын
Thanos: “Balanced, as all things should be” *Sees WoW* Impossible
@Shaljroan30750
4 жыл бұрын
Funny comment. You are the cause of many high spirits. Thank you for posting this, i appreciate you.
@ralrem4005
4 жыл бұрын
Lucas Santana haha thanks, it just kinda came to mind
@kwonderland89
4 жыл бұрын
@Simply Legendary Bruh Warrior in MoP felt soo good, wdum? MoP PvP was so clean and most enjoyable compared to every expansion followed.
@kwonderland89
4 жыл бұрын
@Simply Legendary But you could absue the banners to get out of traps, if your teammate was too far. I kinda miss them.
@CHIEFLUKE101
4 жыл бұрын
"Times Change" -Garrosh The Orc who did nothing wrong.
@GhostOfLorelei
4 жыл бұрын
Regarding definition of fair: As a player who can only spend so much time playing, I just have to say: .......wait for it..... ...I totally couldn't possibly agree more. I enjoy walking into an RPG and seeing folks who can smoke me in a half second wondering around. It gives me something to strive for, it gives me something to look forward to (if I end up getting to put in the time). I have people in my FC (sorry, my FFXIV is showing) that are extremely powerful characters whom I will likely never catch up to. But you know what, I love looking over their characters and asking them questions about how I can get just a smidge of their power. It's how I am in real life too. I also happen to play the guitar and, often enough, I spend time online watching other guitarists play just to remind myself there's always room for improvement and something else to try to do. It makes it interesting! It makes life interesting! Part of me wonders if it's just part of being older. In school you're generally told that 100% is attainable on all assignments and, frankly, that's where you really ought to be at. Real life.........eh, not so much. I'm a computer programmer. I'm probably 50th percentile in my field or something like that, but you know what? I still get my work done (when I'm not commenting on Mad Season videos anyway). My employer knows my capacity and gives me assignments according to my ability. Folks on lower percentiles are afforded the same thing as are folks above. And yeah, if I got totally lost in programming, like, 24/7, I could probably shoot right up the percentiles. But........ I mean, this is kind of what life is. You just need to figure out what you want to put your time into, accept that you'll never be "the best" and just enjoy the grind. If you can't do that...uh, not gonna have a good time. Sorry :(
@reviewdestages
4 жыл бұрын
and if you actually get to be the best you should feel like it and not deal any dmg lol
@EriK8520
4 жыл бұрын
@@reviewdestages lmao
@Ballet40k
4 жыл бұрын
On the other hand, none of your examples have you directly compete with any of the more skilled people. I totally agree the current system is not ideal, but complete anarchy doesn't sound good either.
@anonimowelwiatko9811
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I was focused on perfection and independance from other people way too much. It's not worth it and it's not possible to be perfect at anything. Just be as good as you can, look for more room to improve but don't be angry or sad that you are not as good as you want to be. Try to enjoy what you are doing instead of focusing on what you want to do in future, keep that in mind but don't compare. Compare yourself to yourself from other week or month. Find what you enjoy in your life and keep doing that as long as it keeps you entertained. Cheers!
@cattysplat
4 жыл бұрын
By the developers rounding down the sharp edges, we never feel any great impact, either positive or negative, just a steady baseline of small incremental progression, eventually leading to boredom or seeking something more. Because this is videogames, this is entertainment. They are meant to be exciting, crazy, even nonsensically buggy and punishing. The highs are so high and the lows are so low, it makes the experience far more memorable and emotionally impactfull. Balance is boring and too much is sterile, we want our actions to actually feel like they are having an impact, we want to make choices and see the consequences - good and bad, we want to grow organically through experience and investment, not random luck. Classic is a masterclass in all of this and retail has so much to learn from just letting players run wild with the game instead of trying to restrict everything.
@Marconius6
4 жыл бұрын
As a game developer, I can totally see how we got to Retail... all of these decisions and designs make sense in a vacuum, step by step. The loot and stat system in Classic is incredibly convoluted, so simplifying that makes sense. But now you massively reduced the variety of loot, so adding a random element like Titanforging makes sense. Oh, and now the power creep us through the roof, so you gotta put in a system to make new players not get just totally bodied in PvP. Removing spell levels, class trainers, pruning out a lot of the fluff abilities, all of it makes the game more streamlined, so it seems like a good idea. Oh, and let's give the player something to do between raids every day, beyond just farming gold, something more varied... All of these make sense as small steps, one at a time, over 15 years and multiple teams and game directors. And none of these just got to where they are now in one step from Classic. It's incredibly difficult to resist making small changes like these, over time, making the game more convenient and homogenized one step at a time...
@Undecided_
4 жыл бұрын
Playing wow after playing other mmos just shows me how insane the content is from the past decade. The million of classes, skills, specs within classes, armors, weapons, racials etc No other game has something this expansive
@SHAD0WING
4 жыл бұрын
@@Undecided_ dungeons and dragons online does. but no one plays that cuz its too expensive (and not quite as fun)
@ZeranZeran
4 жыл бұрын
Nope.. those are all awful ideas. They ruined the game after WOTLK.
@cattysplat
4 жыл бұрын
@@Undecided_ Specs are so dumbed down you just mindlessly spam the same rotation with little situational skills for active decision making. Classes are all the same so there is no major difference between taking one class over another as long as they are the right spec for the right job. Having more player choice and class diversity of classic, TBC and Wrath lets the game have far more variety than the sterile homogenised game that retail is today.
@alessandromariani3015
4 жыл бұрын
what? the loot and stat system wasn't convoluted, it was fun, not perfect but pretty good. Simplifying means killing a game. None of the steps made by blizzard make any sense, i don't see your vision buddy. If you are a lazy game designer of course you cannot resist to make your work easier dude haha ... small changes to make a game for dogs. I hope that your comment was ironic and not serious, as a game designer.
@Bladius_
4 жыл бұрын
"A balance between the two" Yeah, it's called MoP PvP, the last time it was REALLY good. Everyone had huge toolkits and some downright stupid abilities. But it was FUN. It was your classic "If everything is crazy, nothing is" balance style, but it actually required skill to utilise the full depth of your toolkit well; instead of cheese and procs (both classic/live have this) Most classes had SOMETHING to do in MoP BGs too, instead of live's "why aren't you a demon hunter/rogue, monk?" and vanilla's "why aren't you a mage/rogue, warrior?". Meme MoP all you want, but it was the expansion with the perfect mixture of new/old class design, for the most part.
@WillowGreenheart
4 жыл бұрын
Most balanced system was Legion but Blizz fucked up instead of just copying GW2 template system.
@Red.exe7
4 жыл бұрын
Lock dot swapping was OP.
@Bladius_
4 жыл бұрын
@@DisastrousIntentionally I never said it was 100% perfect. No meta is, DH have ruined the game for like half the classes since legion, by either being way better or beat them so bad there's no point playing it, for example. My point is that is was the best mixture of fun/power/player agency. You had a deep toolkit on most classes that would allow you to out play an opponent if you were better; or failing that, be an asset to your team's overall victory in the BG.
@Bladius_
4 жыл бұрын
@Derp Inshmurtz They had lore precedence, Warcraft 3. Only people who didn't play that thought they were random. I also main a panda, so I won't say a bad word about them :P
@Bladius_
4 жыл бұрын
@@Red.exe7 That was mostly a PVE thing. In PVP you could just CC and splat the lock before they got a few DoTs up. But it WAS strong, but that's the fun; it had counterplay but was good if not countered correctly.
@Sergalt
4 жыл бұрын
"World of Warcraft is Perfectly Balanced game with no exploits what so ever"
@jhonnnis1
4 жыл бұрын
*sips tea*
@DankAlighieri
4 жыл бұрын
Yorkshire islands
@Mjolnir1000
4 жыл бұрын
*laughs in Yorkshire tea and god save the Queen*
@deanfraiser
4 жыл бұрын
Earlier than last time - Greg Deucette
@emehtonich
4 жыл бұрын
uh zeeeeeeeeero
@gnauben
4 жыл бұрын
bru when two worlds collide
@scottjohnson7783
4 жыл бұрын
is coach greg a gamer
@patar2112
4 жыл бұрын
Doucette* :)
@bagoftricks6985
4 жыл бұрын
Is MadSeasonShow's rank 14 natty?
@Geist1337
4 жыл бұрын
Intentional imbalance is best for the game, since it'll allow you to make certain classes better fill certain niches in the game. Like rogues are typically thought of as stealthy assassin-types, and so they especially should be good at PvP and single target, with a reasonable disadvantage against plate because high armor values. Which in itself will act as a reasonable counter balance against them if rogue supremacy got too far out of hand. Which would then allow them to paradoxically become balanced, due to their imbalance in a PvP setting forcing a shift in the meta towards their counter.
@inspiringrex1198
4 жыл бұрын
I would love to use the salt from the WoW forums to season my steak tonight.
@Snithers
4 жыл бұрын
Cannibal Fappter?
@anthonymigigns1453
4 жыл бұрын
Ten million pounds of sodium is most definitely fatal!
@illiji915
4 жыл бұрын
there isn't enough steak in the world for that amount of salt.
@inasatok
4 жыл бұрын
Those who saying retail is balanced, probably a rogue or dh player.
@citizen4610
4 жыл бұрын
That or a warlock player.
@thanoscharitopoulos251
4 жыл бұрын
While Bm Hunters and Fire mages are Balanced?! as the Guy in the video said some classes/specs excel at something from others but people instead of learning to play their spec and class,they prefer to ask for nerfs on other classes just so because they might be behind dps score for like 2-5k
@inasatok
4 жыл бұрын
@@thanoscharitopoulos251 Yes because mages and locks atleast have to cast which can be kicked. Rogs and dh killing you in one burst without anything to do. And hunters arent a big threat, atleast for me.
@YellowTissueBox
4 жыл бұрын
missed the whole point
@FratinandMadrik
4 жыл бұрын
16:25 I think you're wrong there. I think they would notice that the Pawn was weaker than the others, and then proceed to nerf every other piece into the ground to match its power level. THAT is Blizzard balancing in a nutshell.
@MrSilender
4 жыл бұрын
The thing with the "BALANCE" is and what Blizzard stumble upon, you just can't have it - or at least not have and yet have UNIQUE classes(which is the problem in current/retail WoW), cause that uniqueness came with some advantages, like okay, you can tune it a bit, but generally speaking you can't have absolute balance if you want the have unique classes. If you want a complete balance then in the game should be for example: orc warrior as only playable race and class., so that way you get a complete balance...And that's the problem with a WoW where over the years Blizzard is trying to balance it and casual and even pro players gonna cry that something is OP then Blizzard will nerf it, simultaneously some other class gonna pop up(and be OP) and over again. That led us to the point where really the classes are not unique and players are complaining about it too...
@MonkeyJazz75
4 жыл бұрын
I love how the devs were like "Hmmm. Each patch has the power gain of an entire expansion, creating the most egregious item level bloat imaginable, so that a fresh 120 has less than 100k health, but a geared 120 has over 500k. Obviously the solution is to scale the more powerful player's stats down. Not address the issue that has terrible downsides on so many forms of gameplay, not just PvP. Noooooo. Nope. Scaling. That's the ticket" (I'm just using 8.3 numbers as an example btw, I know scaling wasn't added in 8.3)
@davidthompson5710
4 жыл бұрын
I came into the expansion a little late. Got to max level on a pvp server and was farmed relelentlessly by geared players. I was a prot pally. My dps in dungeons had more health than I did, by a good margin. The gear was so bland I lost interest. The questing was great, but the lack of social player base and gear that felt like it had no real value made me lose interest faster than you can say "nerf shamans".
@RegnokkOSRS
4 жыл бұрын
David Thompson what’s your point? Get good
@TarregorsWarcraftChannel
4 жыл бұрын
13:00 we don't want people to feel like you need this weapon type and ignore all the rest, so we'll nerf what makes that one OP and buff the ones that are especially bad so that they're all desirable and make sure that they're all different at the same time we don't want people to ignore these fast weapons, so instead of making them all be slow, we'll simultaneously make fast weapons be useful and not outclass slow weapons while making sure that weapon speed still matters imagine if blizzard did that instead of homogenizing them thats an example of good balance, which contrasts with the examples of bad balance a.k.a. homogenizing everything
@Kris-2
4 жыл бұрын
This has nothing to do with the video but Asmongold is bald.
@ELlady69
4 жыл бұрын
Yea his hairline has been going downhill..
@ChinnuWoW
4 жыл бұрын
And his eyebrows continue to communicate secret morse code to us as they try to escape his face.
@spikegilfer1997
4 жыл бұрын
True. Big true.
@JumpingJacksism
4 жыл бұрын
And his urethra is leaking gronk
@Fiveth0us
4 жыл бұрын
Original, unexpected and very funny comment.
@Kiyoshi2207
4 жыл бұрын
Well come to think of it. When Wow was Classic and everyone didn't know what exactly what they were doing, mainly focused about the adventure and fun stuff, rmb back then, Ian was one of the 1st guy voiced up on strategies and all kinds of coordination in order to max-min the outcomes of game (run dungeons etc.). Fast forward to current WoW, now Ian is the head of the WoW's team, no wonder they are now more obsessed with "control" everything.
@issacehowardjr679
4 жыл бұрын
I enjoy making decisions. I feel like I'm doing more than just leveling a character. I miss the skill tree. You can have 2 exact looking characters standing side by side, dressed the same.... and because of the skill tree be totally different. I miss tier sets, and gems. Those were sweet back int day.
@sames44048
4 жыл бұрын
This is nostalgia talking, mostly. Skill trees provided the illusion of agency but in reality there was one or two optimal paths to take and everyone had the same tree. This is why it was changed.
@CL-jq1xs
4 жыл бұрын
that only happened back then because people aren't as hardcore as they are in term of theory crafting the game currently
@EdinMike
4 жыл бұрын
I love that you sneak a Goldeneye tune in most videos but I also hate it... It makes me feel old... Jeez who am I kidding, If you snuck NES or Master system tunes in there i'd still be old... #existentialcrisis
@johnforo6103
4 жыл бұрын
Can't wait to watch it again with somebody that doesn't have 33k achievements.
@Gogmosis
4 жыл бұрын
This is all well said. I am a big believer in the more classic style rock-paper-scissors design as well as keeping content relevant for longer than one raid cycle.
@colinstu
4 жыл бұрын
"messed up hole" giggity
@MrZerosins
4 жыл бұрын
That mad cat controller analogy awakened some painful childhood memories. Those controllers were the very definition of "you get what you pay for".
@MatolcsyMTS
4 жыл бұрын
Sees title: spiffing intensifies
@davidwilson2916
4 жыл бұрын
If you really wanted 'perfect balance', why even bother having classes in the first place? Why have different gear slots, or different weapons, or different abilities, or different talents? The problem with the idea of balance is that you're no longer rewarded for considering your options, building a diverse team, and finding ways to circumvent your weaknesses. If every decision you made was the right one, and every class could do everything, building your character is no longer engaging or satisfying - just pick a random class and it'll work out! When it comes to identity and immersion in an RPG, your weaknesses are just as important as your strengths, because without them, you're no longer incentivised to gain a better understanding of your character and the way they play. Even if 'perfect balance' WERE attainable (which it isn't), would it really make the game better? Or would it strip the game of its personality, decision-making, team-building, and identity? You decide. EDIT: Plus, I can't be the only one who thinks that there are better uses of development time and resources than obsessively fine-tuning classes.
@Ven_de_Thiel
4 жыл бұрын
We’ve had asymetrical balance for decades. StarCraft 1 broodwar is much more balanced than most modern games and is from ‘98/‘99
@Sofie424
4 жыл бұрын
@Nuclear Confusion No? It's actually a good idea for one of those stunt runs - clear MC with 40 people who all have the exact same talents & gear. I doubt anyone has even tried it yet. There's basically 3 things you can't do in WoW Classic: dps with a pvp or tank spec, dps with a healing class, or pvp with a pve spec. And even there you can kinda brute force it with gear.
@Emill1987TC
4 жыл бұрын
Classic is not triving, thats a false statement, tons of realms are abandoned
@SinkroHrvatska
4 жыл бұрын
Deleying Content Buy Curaptions 1 Month All About Staying Subscribed = profit
@kevinjordan7282
4 жыл бұрын
Amazing!
@decem_sagittae
3 жыл бұрын
I much prefer retail. Like most nostalgic boomers I couldn't wait to play Classic and relive all those good times and memories. It was perfect at first, everything was "just as I remembered", but after some progression I started to notice how dated and outright "bullcorn" the game actually was/is. Some months later and I couldn't take it anymore. Classic is broken, imbalanced, dated af. It's absolute garbage. A glorified walking and waiting simulator with the worst itemization I've seen and no semblance of class balance, among innumerable other issues. The more I played Classic the more I started to appreciate current, which I used to despise. Eff this game and all the elitist a-holes who constantly defend it. If you're that much of a Classic purist stop using 30 add-ons and NexusHub, Wowhead, IcyVeins, etc. and see how that goes. Nerds.
@patar2112
4 жыл бұрын
Sup mr. Show - Been watching all your old vods of beta and you leveling through classic. Love your content man. Hope your schedule allows you some time back to twitch sometime soon. 🤘🏼
@madseasonshow
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Between KZitem, Twitch, and life I only have time for 2 these days - I'll make a return to Twitch some day...trying to catch up with KZitem first
@Yenkieldemente
4 жыл бұрын
I feel they reached the best balance of imbalance in WOTLK. Those were the good days.
@Aggrofool
4 жыл бұрын
DKs were ridiculous. Fk that xpac
@zyxvutsrqpo8537
4 жыл бұрын
@@Aggrofool maybe to patch 3.1, after that, u was able to beat them, depend of your skill. Ok, with disco healer you have no chance in duel, but other clases, with no problem. In 3.2 retri paladins dominated. and after 3.3 everything with shadowmourne. But on blizzard servers, you found maybe 5 people on server, when they were both very lucky.
@prospero7849
4 жыл бұрын
WotLK introduced aoe spam in dungeons, and the concept that no mob or quest out in the world should offer any meaningful threat to you at all. To many people who'd been used to vanilla and TBC especially, the mindless aoe dungeons were an astonishing design choice given the obvious consequences going forward. That said it remains one of my favourite expansions too (even with that abomination of a content patch that gave us the Argent Tournament)
@LBreaK
4 жыл бұрын
Nailed it. Blizzard has progressively ruined one of the greatest games of all time, by changing what made it great. Because they’re a traded company that needs to manage their stock price and are mimicking mechanics found in the fastest growing games (mobile casino shit). At least that’s what they think: because they are slowly but surely eroding their goodwill, and it will end up biting them in their own ass. The brand will lose trust, players won’t be loyal, and they’ll lose their best and most passionate devs and designers.
@ИгнатЛисовский
4 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't completle agree with you, man. Of course its just an opinion, so i won't say that my point of view is a 100% true. I'm enjoying playing wow, surely it's far from perfect. I hate that pvp scaling and think nobody likes it at all, cuz its complete BS for sure. Also i hate that you cant farm some things over and over, like you cant just play visions non stop, you should wait cd of invasions to get a currency to buy flask, that allow you to go into visions and there is no other way to get it. Same goes with most essences. In order to get some of them you should spend 3-4 weeks without an ability to make it faster. Sure its maybe okay to give players, that cant spend much time into farming stuff opportunity to get things that they need, but why cant they add smth, that can allow hardcore players to get things faster? Seems like blizzard trying to make players, that spend a ton of time into the game and players, that's just spending an hour a day even. And this is main problem of retail right now, at least IMHO. I think spending time into the game should be rewarding, otherwise why should i farm smth, if some idiot can defeat me with the help of that stupid scaling for example? Getting better is main goal in mmo, I think, and if there is no reward in work, why should i even do that? Now about a loot system. Right now you should farm bis items for your class in order to become stronger. Surely getting item with bis stats wont make you crazy overpowered, but it make you stronger anyway. It may seem like a tiny bit, but in high m+ or mythic raids every % of your dps matters, so it's not pointless at all. So getting better items still give you a feeling of achieving smth and becoming stronger, just now progress is a smaller than it was before. You building character slowly, tiny step by the tiny step. For me personally it's still a pleasure to get better item, that i currently have. Not to mention some unique item's in bfa like trinkets, weapons (cant say you names of them, cuz english is my 2nd language and i don't know how to call them properly), etc. The difference between retail and classic is that right now every tiny piece of dmg is matters, that's why people brings flask food, buffs, etc. in raids. As i said before, everything gives you just a bit of dps/hps/def, but in the end of the day it make you much stronger, when you compare your character right now with character from the past. At start of patch it was impossible for me to make m +15 in time, but now its just completely ez for me, and that is all because i've spend time to get better items, that's slowly made me stronger. In classic however you can do raids even in non bis pre raid gear, so what's the point of farming them if it's not necessary at all? From this perspective, at least for me, retail is better than calssic. Would be interesting to see, what do you think about that. Again im not trying to say that you are wrong, just giving different point of view. Retail is cool, as I already said, but not flawless for sure, it doesn't deserve that amount of hate, i think. Classic far from perfect as well, but nobody is telling that it's garbage, when everybody yelling that retail is complete dogshit, cuz everyone do so.
@papercutz2633
4 жыл бұрын
Love the golden eye soundtrack you added around 8 minutes. Ahh the N64 days
@marvinbull4144
4 жыл бұрын
I mean cool but wrong conclusion wow LIVES from casual players and without them it wouldnt bei alive anymore, thats the reason for all this cause the Blade isnt famous for its Name or shape no, its because its crazy good, and for the normal casual player Most likely Not optainable either because it doesnt drop or rogue xy is better than him so raidlead gives it to him. Which makes him salty and cancels his subscribtion (Just an example dont say people cancel ist because they dont get an Item). For that reason loot gotta be optainable even for someone playing 4h a week. And we gotta live With that
@lx8036
4 жыл бұрын
There's literally no point in looting if everything is balanced
@Lightwish01
4 жыл бұрын
Retail WoW is terrible. I hate to be the comment guy posting a complaint, but imo BFA is a dumpster fire of a terrible expansion files. There are a lot of people praying that Shadowlands won’t be as bad as BFA is, but the truth of the matter is, is that Activision came into Blizzard with a hack and slash of jobs across the board, getting rid of a lot of those employees that were the heart and soul of WoW. At some point Activision realized that they got rid of too many people and tried to hire some back. It was bad. Then of course we got the remake of Warcraft 3 that was so completely bad that they literally refunded everyone on a game that was actually WORSE than the original that was 15 years old! We can only guess that they were understaffed and had people working on it that weren’t as “quality people” that the6 used to have, and low an behold the result was bad. After all of that, the China and Hong Kong mess and then the big release on employee salaries at Blizzard that was really bad and we have a company that’s in a complete and total shambles. A literal ghost of what it used to be. After all of those negative events and now Shadowlands is on the next expansion release coming soon and I don’t think anyone is expecting a great expansion at this point. It’s a wait and see with a lot of people hoping for the best, knowing that Blizzards “best” in its current form is likely far off of the quality mark that WoW players are expecting, and demanding at this point.
@DankMemes-xq2xm
4 жыл бұрын
God, I miss Madness of Deathwing loot. Give me back my Gur'thalak! D:
@Cyromantik
4 жыл бұрын
Gods I love the loopy itemization in vanilla WoW. I don't play current, but saw the writing on the wall in Lich King, which was otherwise a great expansion but the gear was well on its way to homogenized hell.
@ekhidnis
4 жыл бұрын
I'm >this< close to have a mental breakdown listening to this. That's so unbearably sad, the game I love has turned into absolute casual mobile poop, where the choice, which is the main reason people enjoy RPGs, is literally inexistent. Your skills, knowledge or experience about your class do not matter - there are addons that show you your bis items and your most effective rotation. Your raiding experience do not matter (except you want to get into t100 statics) - you can't have experience of failing and learning in raids, of becoming a better player, because we've already got people playing the heck out of the content on beta-tests, leaking all the stats, numbers and tactics, we even have a damn in-game guide telling everything about every boss. You don't have to think or to be aware of anything - we've got addons telling you what to do. You have to be retarded to fail at doing what is told to do by those who completed it already. Your race does not matter - there is less than 2% in DPS difference no matter the class or the spec. Class specials only pop up at 2k+ PvP arena ratings, they has no meaning in PvE or mPvP. Your profession does not matter - you don't get anything special from it, except you're an alchemist doing not-so-good-potions for sale to gain some cash. Learning the profession does not take any effort, you can level it in less than a day. Your class does not matter - they all just feel the same, everyone got the CC, the escapes and the defensive cooldowns. Your items do not matter - they are all the same without anything special, except some boss-related items. Your looks do not matter - transmogrification has ruined the romantics of visual appearance, everyone looks almost the same and you don't have to care how do your new clothes look like. You as a person do not matter - there is little to no communication in the game, you don't have to make new friends, you don't have to respect anyone, you don't have to gain status. Most of the guilds are just dead packs of casuals who do not talk at all. Decent guilds are already formed close circles of friends, where you have to had a fortune to get into. I may oversaturated some of the cases, but it's kinda close to the reality. At least from my experience.
@simplyrin210
3 жыл бұрын
I disagree, the PvP balance is better in retail. You should win by playing better, not because you had spent more time farming gear. It’s more fair to reward skill over time spent, not less fair.
@legendofJupp
4 жыл бұрын
"Blizzard seems so afraid to give the player decisions" Yes, exactly. Look at how players are critizing having to choose a covenant or having pvp sets that are not perfectly statted in upcoming shadowlands. It looks like people actually demand what's being critized in this video, right? Or am I missing something?
@qianzyl
4 жыл бұрын
Exactly the same that I’m thinking... For once blizz is putting more focus on the RPG part of the game, removing lots of rng, giving players more choices (some with pretty large impact that requires you to take real decisions); and the only thing we hear from the community in response is an outcry that there class/spec/covenant choice isn’t balanced properly...
@JustPongo
4 жыл бұрын
I guess for devil's advocate is that there are VERY niche scenarios where items have an effect and are good like Cut of Death for warrior or the Aszhara Trinket from last tier for mages. I started playing in Legion and always thought it was cool to see specific builds and grinding for stuff like that. I wish they did it more.
@cbreezyy1234
4 жыл бұрын
As a pvper in retail, everyone hates pvp scaling makes no sense why it's in the game. But I do agree about the gear, gear is boring now days.
@lot4480gpm
4 жыл бұрын
Its really depend on how in general player perceiving things as balance. Players in general will always take the path of least resistance regardless. Classic is all about macromanaging and retail is all about micromanaging. Its up for the playerbase themselves to decide which one suited their need. Classic is much better for group of friend to enjoy something to do, retail is much better for solo type of player as most of content is doable for them.
@HOBOsnake
4 жыл бұрын
I think there are some examples of memorable loot in modern WoW. I think you're portraying things a bit wrongly here. Every DH is going to remember the Unguent Caress from Nyalotha. Every Warrior is going to remember Geti'ku from BFA. Every Melee DPS is going to remember the Razor Coral from Eternal Palace. They all have pretty unique effects that were very powerful. Those are not the only examples just from BFA either. So while I liked the video and agree with a lot of it, I just have to disagree slightly about loot. It's definitely not as varied as classic or TBC, however there are plenty of memorable items in retail still to this day in my opinion. edit: Just thought of Crawg Tusk, Mechagon Rings. Two more that everyone is probably going to remember if they played BFA. There was the stat stick trinket from legion. Second edit after reading replies again: Eye of Command trinket from legion. Incredible trinket for frost DK and DH. I will never forget that trinket and the fun I had farming it in karazhan. Another thing that annoyed me about this video too is that madseason kind of implies that sets and tier sets don't exist in retail. That's just entirely false. There are sets in BFA and tier was only gone for BFA but is now making a return. So it's a little disingenuous to say that about the game when it's certifiably not true. Madseason is on some console wars shit if you ask me. Love the guy, but damn this content is not well thought out.
@darkfire8008
4 жыл бұрын
Said pretty much what I was thinking. Every time they go into loot comparison, I cringe in wait for the selective choices. Classic has maybe 50 items spanning its 60 levels that have weird and unique effects while the rest is basically an amalgam of main stat, stam, spi, sec stat, sec stat. And along the lines of examples for items with special effects, Crucible of Storms dropped nothing but those.
@driiifter
4 жыл бұрын
Portraying things wrongly? How does what you just said compare to remembering an item from 15 years ago? You won't know until 15 years from now if someone remembers Coral, but we have proof now that someone remembers classic loot. You made a denial, but it is a very weak one.
@HOBOsnake
4 жыл бұрын
@@driiifter I made my point and I made it well I think. I gave plenty of examples of memorable loot from retail. In the video, madseason doesn't even seem to realize such items exist. He even talks about how all items are the same except for the ilvl. That's actually just not true at all. This video was mostly good, but madseason is wrong on the point of there being no memorable loot. And I can tell you I will never forget my Unstable Arcanocrystal from legion and that was 5 years ago already. So please... Your logic makes no sense. Why does it have to be 15 years to be memorable?
@HOBOsnake
4 жыл бұрын
@@darkfire8008 It's fine man. You and I are on the same page. Madseason lately has been kinda cringe and negative on retail just for the sake of it. His fanbase is classic players who want to believe that there are no redeeming qualities in retail. They can't admit that both are good games and fine to play for their own reasons. So tired of this spergy community rn. Except for levelheaded people with thinkin' brains like you.
@tudvemppi
4 жыл бұрын
while i agree with alot of this i do have to say for the love of god do not make traits corruptions etc. work at full force in pvp. they already globaled people with some heavy nerfs and are doing 20%-40% of peoples dmg in an arena game. fact is arena is supposed to be competitive gamemode and while that might not be everybodys cup of tea it certainly is better with as few variables as possible. just look at the absolute state it is in now with corruptions being a god forsaken clusterfuck of comedy and sadness at the same time.
@penigan85
4 жыл бұрын
I highly disagree with MadSeasonShow’s remarks regarding class balance in the first sentence of the video; "In a perfect world, everything is completely even with each other" and then says, "Perfect Class Balance is bad Game Design." Here is my take as Game Designer and my philosophy on class balance. *Let’s define what is NOT Class Balance.* - Homogenization - Mass utility distribution to every class of the same types of utility. *Utility = stuns, snares, roots, interrupts, silences, fear, self-heals, buffs, debuffs and nullifies (lose control of character, hard CC) - Same damage/healing outputs and mitigation input. *Let’s define what IS Class Balance. (The scale of balance should represent the strength and weaknesses, not the distribution)* - Class abilities have specific strengths that are balanced with their specific weaknesses. - The tool kit for every class/role are different, no mass utility distribution of the same utility. Includes, ability type, ability power, frequency of ability used, resource cost of ability etc. - Roles of classes have clear strengths and weaknesses opposed to classes that share the same role and have different roles. DPS should have clear strengths and weaknesses, Tanks and Healers or any other core role in the game should share that philosophy. Let’s define what a Class is. - A class is an avatar of a role with a unique thematic tool kit that best represents that classes identity and role. *Core Gameplay Caveat* I believe Class Balance can be best achieved when its focused on one core gameplay stream. (PVE or PVP). When both core gameplay streams are blended in the game, it creates a harder experience for classes to be balanced around them. I do believe, the method described below can help create a healthy balance between both streams of gameplay at its very essence. A lot of variables have to be taken into consideration. The below method is a general way to class balance. Yes there is more, but its long and winded, so I'll just post this for now ;)
@Biggestofoofs
4 жыл бұрын
The chaos that is the class balance in Classic is probably what helps make the game so tantalizing to me. A have some strong opinions when it comes to "competition" (so to speak,) in games, having grown into a rather laid back dude that prefers the experience over "trying/having to win". But Classic, (Alongside my friend whose server I joined,) has ignited something in me that makes me want to carve into pvp to try and trump as many as I can. See if I can reignite that old pvp spirit I once had.
@xShqaS
4 жыл бұрын
"it is as easy as your mom" Jesus man...
@Catchingfaces
4 жыл бұрын
The perfect balance is not having balance at all.
@roskelld
4 жыл бұрын
When you finish the video and go to hit the like button only to realize that you already hit the like button at the start so you leave a comment to let you throw a like on to that.
@AltairgoesFly
4 жыл бұрын
Its like ... why even farm Bis Gear in retail ... it doesnt matter
@Transbian
3 жыл бұрын
20 minutes of: Old Man Yells at cloud!
@alexandermcgill3970
4 жыл бұрын
Hello, bald man. Here for some easy CoNtEnT?
@Falkenlp3
4 жыл бұрын
Dude one like and a big thanks for the 8 bit Rock me Amadeus song from Falco
@yashizuko
4 жыл бұрын
Pvp balance: Mop Pve balance: TBC Class flavours: TBC/vanilla/legion Gameplay: wotlk Personalization of gameplay: wotlk Pve: TBC Skill involved: Cata/Mop Less power creep : TBC Looting:TBC Pvp gamemodes: Mop / Wod (ashran in beta before quests was fantastic) Modern (post wotlk) gameplay: Legion Itemization: TBC World feeling: Vanilla Special spec/gimmicks: Wod/TBC (infinite breath DK was sweet) That’s how I would love wow...
@RahloG
4 жыл бұрын
Giving every class similar abilities was a big reason I quit wow. The unique aspect of the classes were gone from my POV. This included factions by giving ally shaman and horde pallys. Took so much away from the possibilities of the game but to be fair the community would constantly whine about being countered and blizz gave into the pressure. Hero classes were another wasted opportunity but there were tons of issues there IMO. Oh well just isn't a game for me anymore is all.
@BubblewrapHighway
4 жыл бұрын
"When choosing between balance and fun, always go fun." -Zack Johnson
@RM-bg5cd
4 жыл бұрын
IHS only when you don’t play those classes lol
@Claudiu233
4 жыл бұрын
The main problem I see with "balancing" is that it takes all the fun out of the game and is anything but newbie friendly. Think of it this way: you're a new player, you started playing, you level to end game(by this point anyone should have a feel for their class, excluding retail level boost) and you want to start seriously raiding. Why would a raid-leader pick you(your class) over x-other guys(other classes) with slightly better gear-score than you especially if there's no real difference between classes that fit the same role. That makes you feel left out of the fun stuff, cause in all honesty daily quests feel like a job- it's stupid. And yeah people who invest more time in the game SHOULD have an advantage, otherwise it wouldn't be fair to them(and i'm speaking as a person who doesn't spend more than 3-5 hours/day in wow and i can honestly say that i WOULDN'T mind if people that spend 12+ hours in the game can bloody one shot me- it gives me something to aspire to). Making generalized loot just takes the joy out of getting that awesome piece of gear you wanted(siphoning the fun out of the game faster than a warlock can siphon your life). Yes most people in classic would never get their hands on that really good end-game loot, but if by some chance you got a piece then it would have truly meant something to you. Nowadays it's just grind for 5% improvement in stats- cause you already have that item, you're just waiting to get the same item with better stats. And as for PvP my personal opinion is that the rock-paper-scissors concept should be the norm- there should be classes you're good against, classes you're ok against and classes that can totally counter you, the whole thing makes preparing/recruiting for a battleground to follow some sort of strategy(you need a druid for the flag, maybe a class with aoe cc, good defenders and so on and so forth) Also think of it from a fantasy setting point of view(for a more role-playing experience)- a guy with a sword and shield has little to no chance of beating a magic user, but a magic user can't fend off hordes of enemies while his teammates help finish them off. And yes i know most of you guys like your main classes so much so that it really bothers you when another class completely and utterly destroys yours(hence the "x class is overpowered cause i can't kill it" posts)- but that's the fun part, each class has advantages and shortcomings. Making all classes the same in PvP makes having different classes redundant. Sorry for the long rant if you made it this far.
@Claudiu233
4 жыл бұрын
@Nuclear Confusion I see you misread/misunderstood what i said up there. I AM a casual player at best, i don't have the time to put in it like others do in this game and to me it would seem wrong for a person who literally spends most(if not all) of their time in the game to not have an advantage in the game over me(why shouldn't they be rewarded for it, it's like saying overtime shouldn't be payed). As for the grind I agree it should be toned down a bit but not because i don't have the time to do it anymore but because i see it as an outdated fashion- it is the first ever method invented for MMOs to keep players playing the game for more than X amount of time(untill they added new content). They should try to think of something new and kind of abandon the idea of endless grind if you ask me. I would like to remind you this is a MMORPG not FIFA(roleplaying should have a lot to factor in). So saying game knowledge and game experience is the only advantage you should have in this game only cheapens the RPG element in it. Progression and character growth factor a lot in role-playing games, otherwise my DnD sessions would be extremely dull. Lastly here's an idea that I have, let's say that there is this X faction that gives you this very-very good piece of gear/weapon/ability but you don't buy it, you earn it and can earn only 1 piece EVER. To get that reward you need to get exalted rep. Instead of the classic rep grind there should be a simple series of quests for that faction(that you can do in a day if you want to/have time for) that end with you doing a raid on mythic- and that should be that, the quest chain and the mythic raid will get you the exalted rep you need(greatly reduces the grind). And here's the best part, intermediate rewards gained from the quests to help you achieve it. It should still be a challenge for most players. As a player who would probably not be able to do this I myself admit that players who can should be rewarded for it with something that actually gives them an advantage in the game(not just a silly achievement). You are free to disagree with me on this but i stand by this decision, give character progression proportionate to the time they spend in a game(whether that be PvE content or PvP content)- and i'm talking as the little guy here, the guy who in all likelihood will never reach those levels. That being said you should still be able to finish the entire storyline of an expansion with as little as 1-2 hours spent in game/day.
@ArticulateDesignASMR
4 жыл бұрын
Hard not to agree with all your points really buddy! I'm not playing any WoW just now actually and from what i'm hearing about being able to change all of your skills and approach on a whim in shadowlands, I can't see me enjoying that either. I really can't be assed with learning 400356 specs and styles of play, maybe at 34 i'm old but i just don't like change all that much hahah. I loved classic's simple rotations, i found joy in competing on our dps meters :D Though a friend of mine who's playing classic assures me the min/maxing has gotten way out of hand, to the point things aren't fun anymore.
@demistr7435
4 жыл бұрын
Thats the thing with classic though - you dont need 1v1 balance since there is not really 1v1 battleground/arena pvp.
@OctodadUnderstudy
4 жыл бұрын
Right when Kevin Jordan's talking about world buffs on Allcraft
@siskavard
4 жыл бұрын
Blizzard blue-shelled the hell out of Wow over the years.
@gamistoklis-kun9726
4 жыл бұрын
I read the title with spiffing brit voice LOL
@slimj091
4 жыл бұрын
I would be all for loot uniqueness, But not at the cost of the convenience that current offers over classic. I'm not a guy in my very early 20's anymore. I don't have time to farm for hours every day in order to raid for hours every night for gear that is 15 years old just for nostalgia's sake. When I look at my gaming life back then, to what it is now I am a much happier gamer now than I ever was then. Sure there were intense moments of happiness back in vanilla when we would finally kill a raid boss that we had been banging our heads on for weeks or months. Or when finally getting rewarded a piece of gear that you've had your eyes on for months. But in between those bursts of happiness were chasms of soul crushing pain. Like a heroin addict you felt great once you got your fix, but after it wears off you go back to hating life.
@Morpheus-pt3wq
4 жыл бұрын
You don´t have time to farm for hours or raid every night... What´s the point of playing this game then? There are lots of other games you can play with your friends and/or solo. The day, i realized i don´t have time for this game either, was my last day playing it.
@toluun4842
4 жыл бұрын
Personally I don’t think the chess analogy really fits your argument. As a chess player you can use every piece and their are rules that you must have a certain amount of pieces. This is not how wow works. A wow raid is every player as a single piece and there are no limits to the type of pieces you can put on the board. If the rules of chess were such that every piece could be a queen wouldn’t you play that way? If you didn’t you would lose every time. This is why balance is required. When a fight is tuned to require at least 10queens, 2 kings, 4 knights and 4 bishops you can’t be bringing pawns to the fight. Classic works because the raids basically require 30pawns.
@Edison_Trent
4 жыл бұрын
Actually, in a hypothetical situation of "any number of any piece" rule in chess, I'm pretty sure "all queens" board would lose to "most queens, several knights" board due to the unique movement pattern of knights.
@enzo--LoL
4 жыл бұрын
@@Edison_Trent nope. the queens board would win, always, as black or white.
@John-kx9vq
4 жыл бұрын
You need to try FF14. They did balance right, some classes shine but it is balanced because you can swap classes on the fly. The joy in raids is not coming from the loot itself but the unique transmog and mounts. You run old content 100 times just to get that cool dragon or housing decoration. WOW is so far out of date with modern MMO's, makes me sad it has been in maintenance mode for years.
@Shyverin
4 жыл бұрын
9:55 I'll have you know I love your voice Mister Madseason.
@oJackOfSpades
4 жыл бұрын
speaking of balance in classic, I gotta say I think it´s overall very balanced. Yes yes I know it sounds strange but hear me out. In classic the balance doesn´t come at each seperate situation but in the game as a whole. For example, Paladins are useless dmg-dealers, they can´t outheal priests.. but they bring among the best utilities in the game and excel in pvp/pve healing since they never run oom. Hunters are a pure dps class yet they are pretty bad in pve overall.. but they are amazing in pvp. My point is, each class has it´s obvious strengths and weaknesses. They mostly have the same amount of strengths and weaknesses too and therefore there´s a situation for each class to shine above the rest.
@Sofie424
4 жыл бұрын
Even something like raids only wanting a few Druids & Hunters can turn into an advantage for the player, who gets loot much more easily than the popular classes.
@AltPlus30
4 жыл бұрын
I am the one of these people who some usually call "casual". Not the type of someone who just wants to win with a press of a button. Just "under-average". I'm just the one of these people who don't want to "git gud" when they get killed in PvP for like 7 times in a row. I just rage quit and never return to PvP. I'm not very into social interactions even in games so I mostly play solo which can be crucial in Classic. I don't like the concept of learning boss tactics before the raid so I get kicked because I don't know what boss does. I can't raid in Classic, I can't raid in retail. I can't get a decent gear => someone just one-shots me in PvP. Retail has so many features for unskilled player and I get why people are upset because of some features getting too much balanced. Classic is too hard and tedious for me. Retail sometimes can be too simple and bland for me. I don't know why I wrote this and how at least anything in this comment connects so I'll just say that I'm somewhat casual and many players are just like that.
@schigeraXD
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah I pretty much play the same way. I'd rather quest solo or with a couple friends and hit up some bgs in between. I don't want to plan my entire day around a raid that could take 6+ hours to finish. I understand the appeal but we need some balance in terms of ways you can play the game. A huge problem with bfa is that it pretty much forces you to do mythic+ if you want to be decent in pvp. Why should I have to pve in order to pvp? The whole point of me pvping is because I don't want to do a bunch of raids to get good gear. I should be able to get good pvp gear from playing pvp.
@Infinitum0000
4 жыл бұрын
imagine not gitting gud
@TenyoKillerkeks
4 жыл бұрын
...did you just call Classic 'hard' and retail 'bland'?
@nateseese6904
4 жыл бұрын
"A messed up peg, and a messed up hole." Story of my sex life.
@gichenguchen
4 жыл бұрын
When I watch these videos I always wonder if blizzard sees those too and just ignore all the comments and views. I really hope they see what this really means to the game and that changes to these concerns would just benefit the overall gamerbase. Also i think it can bring more players back and i think there are a lot who quit because of the problems
@lunarshadow5584
4 жыл бұрын
Honestly, one of the things they should of done would be instead of giving abilities and making every class just like each other, make many different weapons and armor that have abilities that can be equipped by specific classes depending on their armor proficiency. you know, like the belt my tailor just made to increase swim speed that i gave to all my party members i play with every week who aren't a druid, or the skull that i put on my druid that gives a chance to shadow bolt an enemy in the face for hitting me. I could see a belt that requires people that can use mail armor to equip a belt that does a priest style psychic scream to fear all enemies. or an earring that can get rid of that effect. make us choose what good sh*t we want to wear instead of giving everything on a golden plate because there won't be a smile on our face after day 157 of having the same cheese on the same plate with the same tasting sausage
@richardjyles2653
4 жыл бұрын
"It's almost as depressing as my voice." LOL
@ThatBartsim23
4 жыл бұрын
Saw this title and thought it was a Spiffing Brit video xD
@Joh447
4 жыл бұрын
"because you're filling a nichè and that feels good" more like "you're filling a nichè because that's the literal only thing your class does that gives it any value over other classes and that feels bad"
@omegaxtrigun
4 жыл бұрын
This. Having classes that are SUPPOSED to be able to spec into different roles, but only one of those roles being actually relevant is NOT fun or good game design. Some aspects of old wow were definitely better, but this was not one of them. Seeing paladins in lore being mostly two handed wielding fighters, and thinking "I wanna do that!" and then you get in game and find out paladins are only useful as clerics, was bullshit. Glorified priests in plate armor. It sucked.
@HODthunderwolf
4 жыл бұрын
I disagree. I’m a ret paladin main. I love the challenge presented by playing a class outside of their niche. It allows you to be the underdog, to play and tinker and figure out the best strategy. In dungeons I crush any other classes DPS. Raids not quite as much but I can push top ten to top 5 at times. You don’t get to be the underdog in current wow. You’re all perfect all the time, you don’t get to add challenge to your experience, blizzard has decided your difficultly level already.
@omegaxtrigun
4 жыл бұрын
@@HODthunderwolf What tinkering? The game is 15 years old. Even when vanilla wasn't around, people have been playing on private servers for years. The best strategies are all already figured out. The only way you're outdpsing other better dps classes is if you either outgear them or they're bad. There is no way you are that high as ret playing with people of equal gear and skill.
@HODthunderwolf
4 жыл бұрын
Omega8Trigun you’re just wrong. Sorry, but you are. I absolutely am because I don’t just worship wowhead.
@omegaxtrigun
4 жыл бұрын
@@HODthunderwolf I'm not talking about WoWhead genius. I'm talking about people who've literally played vanilla in one form or another for 10+ years. You can stick your head in the sand all you want. The game has been figured out. There is no tinkering. And no, you're not. There is no magic tech that exists to make you magically make up such a big dps difference. You're absolutely full of shit.
@samueldjekki6399
4 жыл бұрын
Hunters counter warlocks? You high? Lol
@ashrasmun1
4 жыл бұрын
When it comes to balance, I reallly like that in classic that if I auto shoot, I kind of expect a 400dmg white hit. When I crit aimed without buffs, I expect something around 2k. If I see less or more, I can quickly assess what may be the reason and maybe choose to pick a different target on the battleground, because I may be hitting some temporarily buffed up dude. And when I get an upgrade and hit with autoshot for 420 on average, I FEEL the upgrade. I play without damage meters, because I think they should never be a thing in game properly made in 2020, so my main sense of progression comes from the singular hits that I see on the screen. On retail they are so random, there's so many of them and they vanish soo fast, that I cannot get that sense of progression there.
@DefcampMelderonTV
4 жыл бұрын
excellent video
@malvar3665
4 жыл бұрын
I dont care at all if my gear are just stat sticks, i just care what my class can do and how does it feel to play it, thats why i dont like classic where all classes are boring and i prefer times like wrath and MoP where you actually had to think to play your class better
@5chr4pn3ll
4 жыл бұрын
So you're saying balance is tBC? :)
@Foxhound1Nine
4 жыл бұрын
I learned very quickly with vanilla that classes were to compliment each other. That WoW was unique in the fact that Horde had shamans and Alliance had paladins. I spent hour upon hour playing hunters, learning my class for only people to piss and moan that my class was op. Nope i took the time to learn.
@haridiam915
4 жыл бұрын
I have to be honest (and I love your videos by the way been watching for years), but I don't think Retail is a 'balanced' as you say. I have played since the end of Vanilla right around TBC launch and there have been huge changes to balance, but it is not true that all classes can do everything. There are still comps in PvP that will stomp other comps. I think your analogy is a bit simplistic in this regard. A mage cannot tank current content, a warlock cannot heal current content. Yes most if not all classes have 'oh shit' buttons but they are on relatively long cooldowns, and they are by no means 'big defensive cooldowns' (some like warlock are 20 or 30% dmg reduction for a few seconds), rather they generally give you one chance to get away or possibly survive and then it's on the aggressor to come back in for the kill. Yes classic is the wild west but that does not equal 'fun' either. I think the 'balance of balance' is found somewhere in the middle.... probably around the time of Wrath. Hopefully I've given a balanced argument, and on balance you may agree that the balance has been closer to being balanced in later expansions but it is not as balanced as your balancing video suggests.
@driiifter
4 жыл бұрын
You typed up a lot of Sherlock Holmes stuff. No shit on 100% of that. He was talking about micro management. Warlock healing content has nothing to do with balance, that's design changing. In others words, you don't even know wtf you're talking about.
@haridiam915
4 жыл бұрын
@@driiifter I took the time to put my point across politely, you took your time to be argumentative and insulting. I stopped at sherlock. If you cant see that retail wow is not "balanced" as he says, (all classes do not have every button he talks about, and he admits himself he hasn't played PvP since Cata) then you believe what you want. The video is hyperbole Classic fanboy shit. Classic incidentally is not what he or anyone else hoped it was because people like you are aggressive, toxic and do not have the education or emotional intelligence to have a conversation about a subject without resorting to hostility.
@lesbazyra
4 жыл бұрын
I am still waiting for Wotlk: Classic. I always enjoy its PvP. Still playing on a private server for 10 years already.
@MorbidDesire860
4 жыл бұрын
How does classic wotlk beat your pserver tho? Asking cause I got zero knowledge
@lesbazyra
4 жыл бұрын
@@MorbidDesire860 I played on a retail from Cata till BfA. Yet, I have never ever enjoyed it like wotlk. (I am an otp warrior) The private server is instant 80 PvP only. It's true I will miss solo queue and the fact I will have to play PvE to get a gear. Yet. Blizz servers are full of life and no bugs. I think wotlk already has a crossrealm. Maybe I am wrong.
@MorbidDesire860
4 жыл бұрын
@@lesbazyra Oh I thought you played on Warmane server and I didn't know there were others anymore. It looked really fancy and very populated. I didn't stick to it cause my friends didn't want to join, but I always had it in the back of my mind to move there some day if I get tired of Classic and SL sucked.
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