When you're the birthplace of the hamburger, you can get a pass
@Liverpudlian11.
3 ай бұрын
Definitely not biased 😂
@German_Patriot123
3 ай бұрын
Most germans would put Hamburg or Munich in first. That aint biased
@boo2eman114
3 ай бұрын
This true, you dont know germany
@sciocaflad-al9883
3 ай бұрын
Munich is clear
@MatthewGarcia-ex5wi
3 ай бұрын
😂
@Bornevalesh
3 ай бұрын
@@German_Patriot123 Putting Berlin not in top 3 is a crime. Yes the city has ugly places, but Munich and Hamburg have as well. I personally think Hamburg is extremely overrated, but still a nice city.
@footyeditz_27
3 ай бұрын
Disclaimer: This video was made with no bias whatsoever
@ThisIsMyRodrick
3 ай бұрын
Calling Berlin people "bizarre" is so accurate 😂 .
@eoin8156
3 ай бұрын
I lived in Berlin for 5 years and there’s a huge hipster / anti establishment culture there who despise football and are openly shitting on it every chance they get . Watch them moan about fans at the euros now
@ThisIsMyRodrick
3 ай бұрын
@@eoin8156 I hate hipsters! 😂. In saying that, I may be anti-establishment but I don't hate football, that would be bizarre.
@Ananas-280
3 ай бұрын
@@eoin8156they are stupid I mean looking at Berlin it's hardly German anymore so of course they do things that are complete opposite from us
@sai1.2
3 ай бұрын
this video seems to have some personal bias
@fairphoneuser9009
3 ай бұрын
Which is quite shocking!
@tinypardus
3 ай бұрын
No way
@WhoMadeThisBurger69
3 ай бұрын
Have you been? Hamburg is our nicest city, trust me.
@effzeh_0983
3 ай бұрын
As a german not from hamburg, i completely approve of this ranking, perfect!
@BrawlLover32
3 ай бұрын
wait is berlin actually dirty?
@effzeh_0983
3 ай бұрын
@@BrawlLover32 yeah, its just was too big to be held clean and there arent that many nice areas from what ive seen
@Exodius3
3 ай бұрын
@@effzeh_0983There are many very pretty and clean areas, but some areas just destroy the sight of the whole city
@effzeh_0983
3 ай бұрын
@@Exodius3 fair enough havent seen the city from its best side i guess
@ryanergo754
2 ай бұрын
@@BrawlLover32Yeah, it's pretty big and not the richest place.
@Nonloso5024
3 ай бұрын
Hamburg may be the best host city of euro 2024 but they still can't get promoted to Bundesliga
@finnkajus1278
3 ай бұрын
a club from hamburg actually got promoted this year
@MounyaMishra
3 ай бұрын
St. Pauli is getting promotion brother
@fairphoneuser9009
3 ай бұрын
Tell me you call HSV Hamburg without telling it to me.
@u.p.1038
3 ай бұрын
They did. St. Pauli is in the Bundesliga now.
@Ananas-280
3 ай бұрын
I'm in no place to talk bad about them my team köln just got relegated
@Julian_btw
3 ай бұрын
Ich als Schalke Fan muss ich dir ehrlich gesagt rechtgeben 😂😂
@FormulaAnything
3 ай бұрын
Ja mann! Ich kenne ehrlich gesagt keine einzige Person die in Gelsenkirchen lebt.
@ronnyfenske9527
3 ай бұрын
Gelsenkirschen
@ruhri0411
3 ай бұрын
@@FormulaAnythingAch was, ich kenne keine einzige Person, die in Berlin, Hamburg und München lebt.
@aufschalke
2 ай бұрын
@@Julian_btw Gelsenkirchen hat was, aber objektiv betrachtet ist es wahrscheinlich nicht sehr schön.
@mattc1854
3 ай бұрын
People saying he’s biased for putting Hamburg first have obviously never been to Hamburg. It’s an incredible city.
@JordanGiovani2007
3 ай бұрын
Precisely
@europe_trains
3 ай бұрын
If you get in. Road traffic and train traffic isn’t helpful and it both exists in Hamburg in a way you don’t find it anywhere else in Germany.
@HonestRef
3 ай бұрын
Definitely agree about Köln. Great city with lots of charm and character. Friendly people and lots of Brauhaus serving lovely Kölsch beer. I couldn't recommend it enough. Ah if only my country made the euros😅
@molotovovickow
3 ай бұрын
The problem with the frankfurt crime rate statistic is that frankfurt is one of the biggest transportation hubs in europe with many people passing through each day, so there are many crimes of travellers included like at the airport, which is also one of the biggest in europe. If you're not at the central station district, you wont have any problems at all.
@m.h.4907
3 ай бұрын
Stop coping bro. Every german knows what's the reason
@DanNick.Daniel
3 ай бұрын
Cope harder, Munich has the 2nd biggest airport in Germany and the 2nd biggest train station in the world and the crime rate is way lower there. Also I don't think most crimes in Frankfurt are committed on the airport... cmon😂
@Ananas-280
3 ай бұрын
Exactly@@m.h.4907
@Ananas-280
3 ай бұрын
Alter, we all know the real reason behind it, stop doing a Merkel on us we know who's to blame
@molotovovickow
3 ай бұрын
@@DanNick.Daniel frankfurt airport has almost twice the yearly passenger numbers of munich so its not even close.
@yllmehani8961
3 ай бұрын
As a münchener i definetly agree with you münchen is great but hamburg is on on another level
@INVENSABLE4191
3 ай бұрын
Bro just said HIS Favorite cities😂❤
@Fiago
3 ай бұрын
Of course, it‘s my ranking 😂
@LeoAngelG10
3 ай бұрын
Let him bro
@arthurlm6965
3 ай бұрын
As a french germany lover, i wouldve placed Köln first but third is fine ig
@aufschalke
2 ай бұрын
@@arthurlm6965 wow, I‘m from germany and I love France! you are our best friends. we need to stay together.
@devvolia1433
3 ай бұрын
You know what, these rankings are good. Berlin is overrated, Frankfurt is good but has many issues, Hamburg has great culture, and I would put Munich on top if it were not so expensive.
@maxmajoran3539
3 ай бұрын
Bin unironisch erleichtert, dass meine hood Leipzig auf dem 5. Platz gelandet ist. Hatte 0815 Ostdeutschland-Bashing erwartet 😂
@fedamecan
3 ай бұрын
Ne, er hat 0815 Ruhrpott Bashing gemacht.
@maxmajoran3539
3 ай бұрын
@@fedamecan auch wahr
@loyalm2468
3 ай бұрын
@@fedamecanso wie alle EM Touristen auch sorry aber im Ruhrpott ist halt nicht viel los was Party angeht Es gibt ein Grund warum die Reeperbahn weltbekannt ist
@yassinedahbi7727
3 ай бұрын
Bro has beef with Berlin for no reason 💀💀💀💀
@fishyfish6510
3 ай бұрын
Probably a case of Capital Syndrome. Many people think the capital city is shite. I'm Indian we all think Delhi is the worst😂
@yassinedahbi7727
3 ай бұрын
@@fishyfish6510 same thing here in Italy, some people think Rome is the worst 🤣🤣
@Brynica
3 ай бұрын
@@fishyfish6510Same with Poland, We all think that Warsaw is The worst city 😂
@Creees
3 ай бұрын
No i understand. Big cities suck because it has big cities peopl3 who think they are at the top of the world. Every single countey has a city with mentalities like that. My travel and living tips is to avoid them
@DanNick.Daniel
3 ай бұрын
He told you the reasons
@Atletivamosss
3 ай бұрын
I'm learning some german so bear with me here but: Ich bin nach Hamburg gefahren und ehrlich gesagt ist es einer gute Stadt und so ich denke dass er richtig ist
@Derschneemananderwand
3 ай бұрын
mostly right but there are some smaller mistakes, its not: ''ist es einer gute Stadt'' right would be: ''ist es eine gute stadt'' and your second mistake is that you used the English sentence structure for the ''und so ich denke dass er richtig liegt'' part. That would be the most direct translation possible of ''and so i think that he's right'' but thats wrong the right translation would be: ''und deswegen denke ich dass er richtig liegt'' (there is probably an easier translation but my brain wont think of one so...) But these are smaller grammar mistakes and every german would know what you mean. Its great that you chose to learn German even though its very difficult, keep up the work!
@Atletivamosss
3 ай бұрын
@@Derschneemananderwand thanks for your feedback 😊
@נירשוקר
3 ай бұрын
I have been just in Stuttgart, which is a really nice place, and Munich for just a few hours. Hope to visit Germany soon
@TylerAven10
3 ай бұрын
I think people forget he’s not actually from Hamburg
@tomasbuchmiller3640
3 ай бұрын
Berlin has to be way higher. We have some weird people but a great city and you can do basically anything you want
@aighty7216
2 ай бұрын
One thing that puts a host city for me ahead is the location of the stadium. With like Hamburg but especially Munich the stadium is quite far outside of the centre. When stadium is super close to the centre the vibes are on another level and it puts so many things in walking distance so public transport isnt as shit :D.
@Johnny.Cremina
3 ай бұрын
Agree Gelsenkirchen and Dortmund. Is impossible to put it higher on the list. Grey cities that are coloured only the weekends thanks to the local football clubs. A plus for sure is that everything is cheap there and for event organisation those cities are pretty good at it. Berlin 8th? Are u conservative? Come on. The capital belongs to the top 3 for sure. Lot of space, amazing stadium, perfect organisations with the s-bahn and not expensive for all. Probably for me is gold medal for host people for the tournament. Stuttgart belongs to 8th position. The city is super nice and sunny but the traffic, the smog and the whole construction sites like the central train station are irritating. Logistically for host people from other countries in a big amount is a disaster. Munich 7th. City really elegant but superexpensive. To reach the stadium u need a lot of time because is next to the autobahn outside the city. Cool for a weekend visit. Not more or u become poor. Düsseldorf 6th like Munich in little but less brutal for the budget. Köln 5th. Friendliest city in Germany? Prob yes. City fascinating too...but for big events is complicated and risky. If one bridge on the rhine river is blocked u are stucked in the traffic without alternatives. The same for trains. Hamburg 4th. Colossus city. Well organised and the stadium is not difficult to reach. But the prices? Really expensive and the weather is not cool. Sun in Hamburg is never constant and the city is dirty too. Frankfurt 3rd. Ok dirty and full of junkies at the central station. But if u avoid that the city for big events is really well organised. Not expensive, lot of night life and the way to reach the stadium is easy. Berlin 2nd. Is enourmous and dirty...but wich big city isn't it...great metropole, good organised for an enormous amount of people. For low budget travel is perfect. Not expensive (except for few clubs) and for such a big tournament like Euro 2024 in terms of logistic Berlin earns the gold medal. Unfortunately in the last years the scam percentage increased a lot and to book a cheap hotel it became quite risky. Leipzig 1st. For me the city is quite perfect. Nice city centre, not expensive, good traffic Organisation (for private and public) and the story is fascinating too. I can't find negative things about Leipzig.
@amac2612
3 ай бұрын
spot on about Köln, not the prettiest but the people are amazing, ive been very welcomed here
@loquacious-
3 ай бұрын
bro forgot to upload as a short
@skillkeeper
3 ай бұрын
you cant over a minute
@loquacious-
3 ай бұрын
@@skillkeeper yes you can i have a channel
@skillkeeper
3 ай бұрын
@@loquacious- no, how?
@ReniPlays_
3 ай бұрын
@@loquacious-It's not possible over a minute.
@hmvollbanane1259
3 ай бұрын
Köln above Ddorf, everything is fine. And yeah Hamburg is the nicest city of Germany (though I still prefer living near Cologne)
@The_Duude99
3 ай бұрын
Top 3 are fair but honestly düsseldorf and Stuttgart are extremely boring. Never heard anyone describe either as beautiful or exciting tbh. I'd take Frankfurt or even Berlin over them any day. Frankfurt outside the central station is great and berlin in summer is actually nice with all its parks, the river and endless things to do (beautiful architecture is not everything as you can see with köln). Both are also very international
@aufschalke
3 ай бұрын
düsseldorf with the königsallee is germanys milan essentially and the little tokyo district has to make this my favourite german city ever.
@casp512
2 ай бұрын
Düsseldorf is one of the most ugly German cities I've been to, it's essentially just an extension of the Ruhrgebiet. By far the worst German state capital I've been to. Not as ugly as Gelsenkirchen or Dortmund maybe (though I've been to neither so I can't really confirm that) but Leipzig and Berlin are way more beautiful.
@aufschalke
2 ай бұрын
@@casp512 have u actually gone on a sightseeing tour or did you just stay in an outer borough or something like Oberbilk? try the modern architecture around the Rheinturm, Oberkassel, Kö, Altstadt or the Little Tokyo district.
@casp512
2 ай бұрын
@@aufschalke I stayed at a hotel near the central station and walked to the Rhine one time (at night). I've also been to the Zoopark (which was pretty but then again every city has a park like that) and walked from there back to the central station. Little Tokyo I've also been to and it was pretty underwhelming to me. And all that I've seen doesn't really convince me. I'm sure there's beautiful spots in the city too but all in all I found the city to be not very beautiful.
@angel2901
2 ай бұрын
@@casp512so you haven‘t seen anything.
@arminlaschet8095
2 ай бұрын
to rank Berlin in 8th place is actually a crime
@adam248
3 ай бұрын
I love the way he pronounce those fancy cities names, sounds pretty cool 😂
@Manuel_1860
3 ай бұрын
He pronounces it the correct way, that are their "real" German names
@daviveras3257
3 ай бұрын
He is german 😂
@nowDenBlades338
3 ай бұрын
Gelsenkirchen was awful when i went just full if graffiti same with bochum but dusseldorf and hannover are great places to go to
@berlin4127
3 ай бұрын
Saying Hannover is a great place to be is a wild call lol
@nowDenBlades338
3 ай бұрын
@berlin4127 when I went seemed a nice place although there was nowhere to get breakfast only thing open were cold sandwich shops
@schlawa
3 ай бұрын
That would be exactly my rating. (I'm from "rural" Westphalia) I have lived some years in Düsseldorf and Cologne, and both are very nice cities to have fun and celebrate football :)
@everyone06
3 ай бұрын
Do one in four years for Euro 2028 for the best host cities in the British Isles.
@eliansoto973
3 ай бұрын
Hamburg ist die schönste Stadt dort lohnt es sich zu leben!!!!!
@Tzomthekliafafanboy
3 ай бұрын
In Frankfurt, you just need to avoid the central station district, the suburbs are quiet amd beautiful.
@james64ibm
3 ай бұрын
As a Berliner, I would actually leave Hamburg on top, but I would move Munich down for being expensive and rather boring, Cologne is debatable and Frankfurt is an eerie ghost town. But yeah, for half of all visitors Berlin would be above Munich, and Hamburg is the only city that more or less suits every taste, even if it's a bit less varied than Berlin.
@paulojrneto
3 ай бұрын
The only German city I've been to was Trier.
@maddinpictures3102
3 ай бұрын
Thats a nice city, feels like being in Italy
@NanobanaKinako
3 ай бұрын
He wasn't being sarcastic when he said he's about to start a war. Also I like how he end this video with incomplete sentence like it's gonna loop itself when the video is over a minute long which means this isn't a short.
@danwet
3 ай бұрын
I’m going to watch England in Gelsenkirchen… 😅
@ruhri0411
3 ай бұрын
The will play 2 matches there. In 2006, 80,000 english Fans came to the city and they all survived! Gelsenkirchen may be poor but the people are nice and not as snobby and snooty as in Düsseldorf, Hamburg and Munich!
@aufschalke
3 ай бұрын
düsseldorf is my favourite german city by a mile
@TheMissileHappy
2 ай бұрын
Glad to see some love for Leipzig. It really is a beautiful city and I'm not even from there
@ErC0411
3 ай бұрын
Kölsch is the reason why Köln should come in last place.
@antonbander3299
3 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂
@edsontransports9400
3 ай бұрын
The arrogance is the reason, they always (not all but some people) think they are the best. But I as a Fortuna Düsseldorf fan, the people there (in Düsseldorf) don't seem very friendly.
@maddinpictures3102
3 ай бұрын
For me Berlin is way more better than Köln and Stuttgart and maybe Düsseldorf
@Silent.__
3 ай бұрын
This isn't even biased. Hamburg truly is the best city in Germany
@Harry-tb8yo
2 ай бұрын
Ranking approved, especially the first place.
@WillliamSaliba
3 ай бұрын
Fiago. Dusseldorf are winning DFB Pokal next season. Lets not talk about that play off game or we can pull out your record 🥹
@edsontransports9400
3 ай бұрын
As a Fortuna Düsseldorf fan, that's a little much. But we'll get the 6 points against Köln.
@reisender9132
2 ай бұрын
du bist ja großer hsv fan! und deswegen liebst du auch hamburg, was logisch ist. hamburg ist mega cool und eine krasse stadt, aber unterm strich aufgrund des 2. wk viel zu viel zerstört und für mich viel zu modern und oft relativ hässliche gebäude. nur vom anblick her (komme direkt aus leipzig) find ich düsseldorf am besten von den städten, also dort wo ich war. ich war weder in stuttgart, gelsenkirchen und dortmund. sonst alle anderen aber schon. düsseldorf fand ich ultra gut
@yourservice6868
3 ай бұрын
The problem is, you visited these cities probably during normal times maybe not even during tourist season. But the Euro is a major event. Hamburg and Berlin have the advantage that points of interest are distributed over a larger area, especially in Berlin. All other cities are very centralized, so visitors will be crowded on few spots. Munich and Cologne are used to this, because they are popular for tourism and have big events on their own. During those it is quite difficult, to find places which are relaxing and interesting at the same time.
@22dolls19
2 ай бұрын
If Kaiserslautern were a host city, where would you rank them?
@Thatoneguy15547
3 ай бұрын
I know that Fiago LOVES Hamburg but as a German, I agree with his ranking.
@Pretty-short
3 ай бұрын
In my opinion nerlin because seeing the capital would be class
@patrickseidel218
3 ай бұрын
Ich habe gehört, dass es in München sehr chaotisch sein soll und außerdem ist das Stadion sehr weit weg von der Innenstadt. Das fällt hier irgendwie gar nicht ins Gewicht.
@MedEwok
3 ай бұрын
Two great host cities were snubbed by the DFB: Bremen and Hannover. Both would be way up there in any ranking.
@sjorszoetmulder3331
3 ай бұрын
And almost immediately his best city produces an insane man walking around football fans with an axe. Hamburg is horrible!
@Dhruv-uc3xj
3 ай бұрын
as a bayern fan i gotta admit hamburg is the best city but i would put berlin higher
@ajaysurendran3859
3 ай бұрын
What do you mean by "most people are bizzare"
@xyzz232
3 ай бұрын
Düsseldorf ist snobby, aber München nicht? Uff😂
@mirzafateh9826
3 ай бұрын
This guy hates Berlin 😅😅. Someday I would like to know why
@aufschalke
3 ай бұрын
berlin is a hellhole. my heart hurts its so rotten. you loose all faith in humanity when you see the lost souls there.
@ogy19
3 ай бұрын
Köln is the best one. Based on your ranking at least. It's not as expensive as Munich and Hamburg, has in my opinion better party scene than Hamburg and most importantly as you already said, the people are the best you will find anywhere in Germany. They will literally talk to you regardless where you are from or which topic you wanna talk about.
@BasedHSVdude
3 ай бұрын
Its not biased mate, the biggest club in North Germany deserves a mention
@171285harvey
3 ай бұрын
Can't spell biased without based ;)
@MaxMustermann-vu8ir
3 ай бұрын
Everyone has his own bias but Gelsenkirchen at the bottom is a no-brainer 😂
@nafe_innit12
12 күн бұрын
You can also go to DOM in central hamburg by the StPauli Stadium
@finnkajus1278
3 ай бұрын
it may be biased but Hamburg is still the best german city!
@irthamepali
3 ай бұрын
Everybody should try the Frankfurt Crème burlee near the central station
@tb2571
3 ай бұрын
Düsseldorf and Köln are separated by a river called rhine ... And it is true ....people in Köln or Cologne are unbelievable friendly . Düsseldorf and Köln are rivals
@BigMelvinHarrisSmoke
3 ай бұрын
I want to go to Cologne 😍😍😍
@grujber7342
3 ай бұрын
Vienna would be #1 if it was also hosting
@tobiasbrockhaus4442
3 ай бұрын
He recommends Kölsch ... It's only yellow water 😂
@TheJuaniko04
3 ай бұрын
He says Berlín is dirty. Buh!!! Cologne is dirtier, really. And Frankfurt….best place to have a shit and leave as soon as possible
@lancetable537
3 ай бұрын
I like this ranking. Maybe biased but not wrong.
@KasperWerner
3 ай бұрын
We're winning the euros in our home country
@GregorHehl
3 ай бұрын
Legit. Best from Hamburg
@wejtusek
3 ай бұрын
I've been to Koln from Poland and it was the best German city i've ever been to :D even bought a fc koln shirt :DD
@AN456d
3 ай бұрын
Putting Frankfurt ahead of any city is insane
@otex5155
21 күн бұрын
Not a Euro host city. But Nürnberg is #1 and will always be number 1. Best city in Germany for sure
@nicohallmen8354
3 ай бұрын
good thing im moving to hamburg next year!
@davidkwasi2306
3 ай бұрын
Avoid the south area of Hamburg the train there is awful
@boroughboyinblue
3 ай бұрын
I think kolin is the best
@hmvollbanane1259
3 ай бұрын
For people and culture yes, however I have to admit as a native Colognian that Hamburg is just stunning, definitely the most beautiful city of Germany and while a bit too silent for us Rheinländer they still got a great sense of humour and are welcoming
@av55544
3 ай бұрын
I visited leipzig once, it was an amazing city, deffo agree with finn.
@backroomserklärt
3 ай бұрын
Bro in a ranking of cities Gelsenkirchen literally ranked 401 (out of 401), while Dortmund ranked like 20st place. They are not the same.
@wasistmitmeinemgesicht
3 ай бұрын
Dortmund ranked something like 387...
@backroomserklärt
3 ай бұрын
@@wasistmitmeinemgesicht Quelle: Bruder vertrau mir
@masoudbayat5498
3 ай бұрын
Ich wohne auch neben Hamburg und ehrlich sag ich Hamburg ist sehr schön
@tomleigh7478
3 ай бұрын
Your videos are proper good. I think you should go to an Everton game. You'd be welcomed with open arms 💙👊🏽
@Julian-Boot-Fall
3 ай бұрын
Wanna discuss about your bundesliga predictions
@NightmareOfPartizan
3 ай бұрын
100% unbiased 💀
@mahmodtheicon10
3 ай бұрын
i knw someone from köln, bro is right about the people being nice
@tkitn01
3 ай бұрын
From ugliest to most beautiful: 10. Gelsenkirchen 9. Dortmund 8. Stuttgart 7. Köln 6. Frankfurt 5. Hamburg 4. Berlin 3. Düsseldorf 2. Leipzig 1. München
@geringverdienerforlife1004
3 ай бұрын
Bro Hamburg below Berlin 💀
@HonestRef
3 ай бұрын
Köln way too low. Definitely way more interesting than Düsseldorf
@ayonjayed9950
3 ай бұрын
I really liked the rischart donuts in Marienplatz or other place in Munich. Great city
@Starify_playz4541
3 ай бұрын
From hamburg. It’s rlly nice but also very calm (my region) but it’s different in other places
@mkallend
3 ай бұрын
Bremen is awesome: they should consider hosting games.
@LamboCc
3 ай бұрын
I'm gonna wait till the hate comments on Hamburg begin...
@baiduryadebnath5713
3 ай бұрын
Seems like you don't have to wait for longer
@ehgwergtr
3 ай бұрын
In berlin only live podcasters and baristas
@dabassboss4734
3 ай бұрын
Hey Fiago do you plan to make a Euro 2024 fantasy video/league for us to join?
@yrion9425
3 ай бұрын
Als Lübecker stimme ich dir voll zu!
@tobiast471
3 ай бұрын
Oh what a surprise the Jamburg fan puts Hamburg at 1 definitely not biased at all 😂
@SN8808
3 ай бұрын
Cologne would be my number 8…. What an ugly city…
@Mr.Redditofc
3 ай бұрын
You think you will make a fantasy football team for the euros
@GeorgLandmann
3 ай бұрын
Würde zwar 1 und 2 tauschen. Den rest unterschreib ich
@xolosgoalhorns7732
3 ай бұрын
Division 1 glazer to Hamburg
@casemiro3663
3 ай бұрын
Munich is overrated
@Ze_Pequeno.067
3 ай бұрын
For where i've been: 1. Stuttgart 2. Köln 3. Munich
@sai1.2
3 ай бұрын
Who wouldve guessed hamburg would be first?
@curiousminds7950
3 ай бұрын
As someone who has played FC 24 mobile I can confirm olympstadion is absolutely crap
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