Thanks for the content, this is great. Only thing I'll mention is for anyone watching for wrath classic on live the demonic pact buff maintains the large snapshot from the opener and will not be overwritten until a larger one is applied. The only exception is if somehow demonic pact falls off but each time your doomguard crits it will refresh at the opener spell power snapshot level.
@MrMCKlebeband
2 жыл бұрын
does it actually refresh the stronger tho? because corruption always tells me "stronger version active" and won't let me apply refresh.
@Chris-dt8ru
2 жыл бұрын
Corruption is not the same as Demonic Pact. Corruption is handled manually and can be refreshed at any time, whether stronger or weaker. So you could actually overwrite a snapshotted corruption with a bare one and ruin your damage. Demonic Pact only refreshes when your doomguard crits its target, and it will only update if the buff is stronger than the currently active one (except the final 10 seconds where any new crit will update it)
@MrMCKlebeband
2 жыл бұрын
@@Chris-dt8ru it won't let me apply weaker refresh on corruption tho
@wylatron
2 жыл бұрын
I've seen some videos out called guides where it's clear the person making it has very little clue as to how demonology actually plays or the interaction of demonic pact; so I'm quite thrilled you have covered all that in depth. Really, really good stuff. Thank you:)
@sthicknorodal2835
2 жыл бұрын
Do you have the retail graphics? How can you play on wotlk 3.3.5 and have the retail graphics and green fire?
@wylatron
2 жыл бұрын
@@sthicknorodal2835 skull of gul'dan from BT might be equipped still?
@doublezug7193
2 жыл бұрын
@@sthicknorodal2835 There is a client for private servers that replaces the models/spell effects/etc with WOD models. It will not work for classic as blizzard isnt using the 3.3.5 client that pservers use.
@Rosemont765
Жыл бұрын
I can't tell you how much this video helped me. I was looking all over the internet to figure out how to correctly snapshot. Thank you so much !
@corey8076
Жыл бұрын
Dude, this is exactly the type of in-depth Demonology guide I was looking for. Thank you so much.
@gakhouse1636
2 жыл бұрын
Just got into classic after alot of years away and wanted to try demo, good guide you will gain alot of subs when wotlk hits 👌
@lilxbobby1407
2 жыл бұрын
u nailed the ''why demo?'' part! thanks for the video G
@colin9231
2 жыл бұрын
Great video - subbed and will be re-watching in prep for wotlk classic, ty ! :)
@NLGwotlkclassic
2 жыл бұрын
for hybrid spec i'd definitely consider going into some hit rating, but yea i think ur overall thoughts on it are right watched whole thing tho at nearly 2x xd, couldnt find anything wrong (im not a demo expert but ye) good shit man ill refer ppl here if they need a demo guide
@doublezug7193
2 жыл бұрын
Awesome, thanks. Your aff guide helped me a lot. Was harder to find good demo info out there.
@Kaldisti
2 жыл бұрын
I remember some demono became melee dps in order to use shadowflame and of course immolation aura. Is it efficient or it does'nt ?
@doublezug7193
2 жыл бұрын
You will absolutely be standing in melee range to use immolation aura. It is a huge amount of damage. Outside of immolation aura you can stand at range. You will only shadowflame if you are moving and have no other globals to press, otherwise its not efficient.
@Kaldisti
2 жыл бұрын
@@doublezug7193 Thank you for your answer ;)
@Otaconsps
2 жыл бұрын
Great video! Looking forward to playing lock again in ICC now.
@nickl2571
Жыл бұрын
Fantastic guide! It shows you really know what you're talking about. One question. Would it be slightly more efficient to Life Tap once during the Shadow Bolt travel time before Decimation proc instead of casting another SB? That way you ensure you'll have the maximum time on LT glyph and mana for Soul Fires and being able to start SF as soon as the SB hits? Or do you LT sooner and throw that second SB before Decimation procs?
@tia_lenay
2 жыл бұрын
The only guide you need for demo lock!
@shtroizn
2 жыл бұрын
It's a very good guide but I certainly suggest watching Crix' guide as well.
@Demonwicked
Жыл бұрын
How is 1 spirit .59 sp if tap gives .2 sp per spirit as spellpower and fel armor gives .3 sp per spirit, shoudnt it be 1 spirit is .5 sp? Or is it the demo talent that boosts ur fel armor by 30% so its .39 per spirit?
@willyhotshot
2 жыл бұрын
awesome video man. Been waiting for a vid like this. Can you do Aff next?
@doublezug7193
2 жыл бұрын
If you want a good aff guide i suggest NLGs guide. He also has a video on drain phase which is very good.
@willyhotshot
2 жыл бұрын
@@doublezug7193 already watch all his vids. Just liked your style too!
@kurisu1204
Жыл бұрын
Newby lvl 33 Affliction lock here. One question: can you still drain tank ans demo somehow? I like the concept of Affliction but the aoe encounters are obscenely boring to manage
@XxLyrokxX98
2 жыл бұрын
NLG bradas are our bradas
@akemalaydin
Жыл бұрын
Hello, great guide! Appreciated, but I need to ask a question. When should I consider multidotting mobs? And what dots I should use for that?
@andreasschneider4756
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks bro, like this vid!
@MrMCKlebeband
2 жыл бұрын
why micromanage the pet like that? does DP not go "stronger version active already" if it was about to apply a weaker buff?
@johnwayne147
2 жыл бұрын
in classic wow they added this a few weeks ago, yes, but before that demonic pact did overwrite the stronger buff after the 20sec icd (now 5 sec) is over
@MrMCKlebeband
2 жыл бұрын
ok thanks, that's how i thought it would go... that's probably also why the pet doesn't attack what you dmg on itself when in defensive.
@Winterxfiles
2 жыл бұрын
Do you tab and spam and seed or just spam seed on the same mob? It seems like if i spam seed on the same mob in the grp and it doesnt take enough damage to pop it and it gets overwritten. Is that happening?
@doublezug7193
2 жыл бұрын
Optimizing seed is a little bit situational. Maybe I should make a video on it. In 5 mans mobs probably wont take enough damage for seed to always pop between casts/travel time so you want to tab between two or more. You want to always pick the highest health targets to seed because if they die while the seed is in the air the damage is lost. In raids seed will almost always pop instantly when it hits the target because of the absolute amount of damage going out being much higher. That said, you want to pick targets that will die last and try to get as close as possible to the targets (not just for immo) because travel time can reduce your damage a lot esp on low health mobs like the spiderlings in nax.
@NLGwotlkclassic
2 жыл бұрын
first sub POG
@doublezug7193
2 жыл бұрын
Lit, not super experienced with lock so interested in your opinion. Love the hybrid/destro videos btw, sick to see weird meme specs pumping.
@chrisweber4450
2 жыл бұрын
When are you popping Metamorphosis? Thanks for the help
@miladdarvish822
11 ай бұрын
Great video make more videos like gold farms and the ways to make gold with warlock pls
@schmidth
2 жыл бұрын
So when does the buff outscale the ele shaman totem? What kind of gear are we looking at?
@johnwayne147
2 жыл бұрын
its 2800, but in p1 classic DP is already better because of DP snapshotting trinket procs, i sometimes get 400+ DP out with 1 ID Naxx
@christhezane
Жыл бұрын
5:01 I love metal and I main demo lock so you're not wrong lol
@Armyvet951
Жыл бұрын
Can you do one of these guides strictly for pvp?
@jimmyfrancisco8427
2 жыл бұрын
Im wondering if its better to use rank 1 shadowbolt to apply the debuff and just have incinerate as the filler instead of shadowbolt?
@doublezug7193
2 жыл бұрын
No, outside of molten core procs SB will do more damage than incinerate esp given that it frees up a glyph slot as you wont have to run glyph of incinerate. You should have an aff in the raid also applying SB debuff so rank 1ing even in the case that you want to spam incinerate will be a damage loss probably. The only use i can think of for rank 1 shadow bolt is for affliction to renew a snapshotted corruption on a secondary target but even then you can use drain life to refresh as it is instant because of no travel time.
@Epicdps
5 ай бұрын
Do you ever use Rank1 Shadow Bolt?
@doublezug7193
5 ай бұрын
In wrath you use it to proc decimation on adds below 35%
@grimacetv
2 жыл бұрын
any chance you could share the weakaura for that demonic pact with the sound ? love that
@scrublama1752
2 жыл бұрын
the egg trinket used to proc from lifetap and health funnel in blizzlike wotlk until it was patched in 3.3, I dont think it will work in wotlk classic
@dobiusla8281
2 жыл бұрын
The egg doesn't procc from lifetap ect however your passive pet heal does procc it on p-servers and that may stay the same. Its a talent in the first row of demo tree.
@chrisd6506
2 жыл бұрын
Great video, really indepth :) do you share the weak aura you use in the rotation section? Or where did you find it?
@doublezug7193
2 жыл бұрын
the main cluster is naowhui backport for 3.3.5, you can find it on the warmane forums (should show up with a google search).
@potatofarmer2490
2 жыл бұрын
I dunno if you'll see this, but I came back to play a little in warmane with my lil cousin, i'm a bit lost in which spec to pick, do you know which spec is more fun in pvp? They all seem pretty cool
@doublezug7193
2 жыл бұрын
Sorry for the late response. In my opinion destruction is the most fun to play in pvp. Affliction is also fun in pvp but it has a completely different playstyle and I prefer big burst and direct damage over blanketing the enemies in dots and waiting for them to rot.
@potatofarmer2490
2 жыл бұрын
@@doublezug7193 thanks
@Michael-jj4ol
2 жыл бұрын
I remember, once you get your enemy at low health, then start casting soul fire or something like that insanely fast y destroy everything xD, molten core and decimation 👌🏻
@CoolStoryBruh
2 жыл бұрын
Soul Fire is a 6sec cast though..... So how could you even try to cast it fast?
@whitewalkergaming11511
2 жыл бұрын
@@CoolStoryBruh *decimation talent reduced the cast time with each cast vs. a low health target
@soulcube12
2 жыл бұрын
im stupid what cloak enchant is that he procs?
@johnwayne147
2 жыл бұрын
Tailoring 420, "Lightweave Embroidery"
@arcamedha
2 жыл бұрын
Where did you download that wow?
@damienthimonier4900
2 жыл бұрын
Does DP take the spellpower from Totem of Wrath before it replaces the totem buff ?
@doublezug7193
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, if the ele places wrath it will be included in the first dp but will override it after. If you really want to min max in t7 where you might have an ele in the raid the ele will put wrath down, wait for dp and then use fire ele.
@damienthimonier4900
2 жыл бұрын
@@doublezug7193 Thanks
@jmhvknjv1
2 жыл бұрын
How significant of a dps loss is it to be undead instead of orc as demo? My lock is mostly in SWP gear atm but it's undead, would hate to have to level another lock since race change won't be available.
@Redmezz
2 жыл бұрын
With snapshotting being a thing it's a damage increase when you line things up correctly. I'd say if you want to stay Undead, play Demo since there is less snapshotting than Aff.
@NLGwotlkclassic
2 жыл бұрын
@@Redmezz not how that works brader :P snapshotting works for crit buff/debuff and damage % (tricks for example), not sp or haste kzitem.info/news/bejne/k2id22eXnKyIm4o
@doublezug7193
2 жыл бұрын
I personally wouldnt reroll but thats due to my laziness tbh. The ability to snapshot dp with orc on use is really nice (keep in mind you cant snapshot corruption with sp only crit so its less good for aff) and the pet damage is decent as well. That said, will is really nice for pvp and unless you want to push speedrunning or compete for 99 parses I wouldnt worry too much about it.
@Kamion991
2 жыл бұрын
If you are not going to be in top tier guild, you do not need to worry about your race when you play.
@ThePlatinumx
2 жыл бұрын
@@Redmezz its the other way around. if youre undead, affli is the better choice
@NabaniSaa
2 жыл бұрын
If you're going pure Support, Glyph of Meta over Felguard Glyph would be better in Raid environments with how much downtime your Felguard will have as the buff is just from how much SP you have, no?
@wylatron
2 жыл бұрын
They changed demonic pact just recently to now not overwrite unless it's stronger or less than 10 seconds left. Your fel guard will not be idle anymore.
@NabaniSaa
2 жыл бұрын
@@wylatron Ah, that's good to know. I know it's a little off topic, but is Spellhance looking good as well or is there no concrete news still, as I've heard and seen nothing thus far.
@doublezug7193
2 жыл бұрын
@@NabaniSaa Spellhance looks very strong from what ive seen of the beta. Dont have a key sadly.
@sthicknorodal2835
2 жыл бұрын
Do you have the retail graphics? How can you play on wotlk 3.3.5 and have the retail graphics and green fire?
@micco35
2 жыл бұрын
Great guide but didn't you forget Meta in the Opening section?
@doublezug7193
2 жыл бұрын
Meta use depends on the fight. If you can only get one meta in during the fight you will save it for execute or during lust, if you can use two you will u se it on opener after you send your pet in.
@Nerowinga
2 жыл бұрын
I would like to try demo until felguard and the rest into affliction untis SL. Mostly for leveling and pvp. Your opinions?
@JT-mt6ku
2 жыл бұрын
I’m wondering where affliction will stand with demo since it’s been shown on the wrath beta that corruption does not snapshot
@doublezug7193
2 жыл бұрын
Its execute will still be busted, if content is cuffed enough it will blast.
@joelswatten9611
2 жыл бұрын
@@doublezug7193 especially with bosses in t7 getting 30% hp buff
@doublezug7193
2 жыл бұрын
@@joelswatten9611 30% is not that high, pservers usually double hp from their values (which are usually higher than blizzards baseline). 30% does not extend the execute phase by very much at all which hurts aff quite a bit. I think that demo will outperform aff on overall in naxx especially if we dont get corruption glyph which really isnt much better than the other options for demo but is MASSIVE for affliction.
@schmidth
2 жыл бұрын
Source? Snapshotting 100% should work with % dmg increases and crit.
@27Zangle
2 жыл бұрын
Most videos are stating to stay away from demo or totally ignoring the spec all together. I found demo to be a blast and fantastic in pvp, though never tried arena with it back in Wrath. I would like to think it is a good middle ground arena build when played right in a good group.
@Mr91Jmay
2 жыл бұрын
It's terrible in Arena.
@Redstripe921
2 жыл бұрын
Im looking for a guide or something on how to play demo in pvp and which spec to use ! I usually just jumped by 10 ppl at the same time and i dont know what to do.
@Mr91Jmay
2 жыл бұрын
@@Redstripe921 it's dogshit in pvp. Very simple. Destro is amazing. Aff v good
@Redstripe921
2 жыл бұрын
@@Mr91Jmay ok ! what would you recommend for bg and wg ?
At least for now, your pet (Imp may vary) is not benefiting from Suppresion on the beta client.
@atcera8714
4 ай бұрын
I don't like classes I can't play effectively without a bunch of macros. Demo warlock in wotlk being one of them
@Adrian-bj1rk
2 жыл бұрын
sadge, you didnt go in details of how demo is in pvp
@doublezug7193
2 жыл бұрын
Just play aff or destro, demo is a meme in pvp. Im also not a highly ranked or super experienced pvp player so there are probably better sources for that stuff than me tbh.
@smora6054
Жыл бұрын
regardless of how many Dks and their specs I already deal more damage if I curse of elements and it never gets dispelled, also this is the 1st time I hear about using curse of doom over any other curse
@Villy3420
2 жыл бұрын
like yer video please do other classes
@bidu2331324
2 жыл бұрын
Hybrid spec should have improved imp over demonic brutality.
@doublezug7193
2 жыл бұрын
You're right, my mistake. Didn't catch that.
@bidu2331324
2 жыл бұрын
@@doublezug7193 also in most raid scenarios spirit will give more than.59sp as you will be buffed with kings.
@chadkroeger9
2 жыл бұрын
edgelord demon form WOOOOORLDTSAAAR
@brassbat
2 жыл бұрын
But more wrinkles in your brain is a good thing...
@alfonsomural4792
2 жыл бұрын
Demo lock is boring.
@Nebula0919
2 жыл бұрын
Oh my God I honestly don’t believe I made it through this video, I only did because I fell asleep. You seriously made me think of wanting to give up my warlock…. You don’t get out much do you? Don’t do another class video again.
@shinigamitensei999
2 жыл бұрын
I don't wanna play demonology cuz metamorphosis looks so fucking childish and bad
@simonecipolla7668
2 жыл бұрын
can put the elvui config pls? i like it
@sthicknorodal2835
2 жыл бұрын
Do you have the retail graphics? How can you play on wotlk 3.3.5 and have the retail graphics and green fire?
@sthicknorodal2835
2 жыл бұрын
Do you have the retail graphics? How can you play on wotlk 3.3.5 and have the retail graphics and green fire?
@sthicknorodal2835
2 жыл бұрын
Do you have the retail graphics? How can you play on wotlk 3.3.5 and have the retail graphics and green fire?
@sthicknorodal2835
2 жыл бұрын
Do you have the retail graphics? How can you play on wotlk 3.3.5 and have the retail graphics and green fire?
@sthicknorodal2835
2 жыл бұрын
Do you have the retail graphics? How can you play on wotlk 3.3.5 and have the retail graphics and green fire?
@johnwayne147
2 жыл бұрын
since its pserver footage you can probably modify a lot of stuff. i was a little disappointed that we didn't get the newer felguard model on wotlk classic
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