Yorktown absolutely deserves the praise you heap upon her, particularly since you make clear the remarkable efforts of the damage control crew - any vessel is more than just steel or wood, after all.
@bairdrew
3 жыл бұрын
She was tougher than she had any right to be, certainly. Were I a sailor I'd probably prefer to be on one of the British Illustrious class, which were absurdly tough, simply because you could almost garuantee they'd get you home safe. But if I couldn't be on a ship i was sure could survive attack, i'd be happy with a ship that endured long enough to save most of her crew before she died. OFC in an ideal world you'd want British armoured decks with American aviation capacity, but no one could manage that until after the war.
@hannahmich7342
3 жыл бұрын
I’ve spoken to a friend of mine who was on the Yorktown at the battle of coral sea and at midway. He was a teenager on the ship and he told me the damage taken at coral sea was a factor in it sinking in the battle of midway. When I was young he didn’t speak very often about his time on this ship. But as he aged he often spoke about the ship and showed us some of his photos. Unlike many young people serving in the navy at the time he did not enjoy shore leave and preferred staying on ethe ship. But most of all he simply loved being at sea. During the battle he worked on the anti aircraft guns. I suspect because he was very young I think he supplied ammo and worked the damage control efforts. After the ship was first abandoned he did return to the ship work on repair crews. Sadly he died several years ago.
@hannahmich7342
3 жыл бұрын
@Chandler White In addition he told me he happened to have been in the engine room when it first took damage during the battle of the coral sea. For what ever reason at the battle of midway he maned the antiaircraft weapons.
@model-man7802
3 жыл бұрын
Yes Hannah,he was right.Dad was on The Yorktown CV5.An EM1 he also handled Ammo for gun number 1.Many men were cross trained to man the guns if necessary.The Coral Sea damage was very bad.Bulkheads were warped very badly and shrapnel went everywhere.Dad was in the forward elevator pump room down in the bottom of the ship very close to where the forward bomb hit was.Trapped by a seized scuttle they almost died from the smoke.In 1993 I introduced the damage repair party that couldn't get to them to them at a reunion in Denver.(Awkward)Dad said on the way back to Pearl he hammered wooden plugs into shrapnel holes as he rigged temporary lighting in the damaged areas.Bulkhead doors were replaced or welded shut and or even taken off.more were replaced at Pearl.The ships water tight integrity was badly compromised.The ship had missed four or more overhauls.Her boilers were wore out and her turbines too.Her superheaters for her boilers were damaged and couldn't be used so she couldn't get the 33knots she needed,plus alot more.
@1ramyus
2 жыл бұрын
@@hannahmich7342 If he was handling 1.1" or .5" guns, likely he was serving in the Marine Cor. Just curious, what he was doing - as such - in the engine room during the battle?
@zaviwaher9536
Жыл бұрын
@@model-man7802 This is so interesting, thank you for sharing!
@sd906238
3 жыл бұрын
The Achilles Heel of the Yorktown class carriers was that the 2 engines rooms were right next to each other. The torpedo hit between the two and knocked out both engine rooms. This was solved in the Essex class carriers.
@ph89787
3 жыл бұрын
To be fair though. The Yorktown and Enterprise were built to fit within the Washington Naval Treaty limits. Hornet was built on a time limit. So it’s more the fact that it was outside factors that bought it on. Not inexperience or neglect. Nonetheless The fact that the IJN expended a lot of effort into sinking Yorktown and Hornet. Plus Enterprise at a couple of points being reduced to a barely functioning wreck is a credit to their design.
@briancox2721
3 жыл бұрын
I like CV-6 better because of the whole "Enterprise versus Japan" incident, but you have to give credit to a ship which survives 3 of it's 4 "sinkings."
@MrFleem
3 жыл бұрын
Here comes Saratoga, back from repairs! And there goes Saratoga, going to get more repairs...
@ronmaximilian6953
3 жыл бұрын
@@MrFleem USS torpedo magnet?
@invadegreece9281
3 жыл бұрын
@@ronmaximilian6953 yes
@WhySolSirius
3 жыл бұрын
I think the Yorktowns were definitely the most valuable carriers of the time. Not because of their contributions, which are still legendary, but because of the lessons learned from them. The Yorktowns paved way for the Essexs. The lessons learned from Yorktown and Hornet made it so no Essex was ever lost in combat. Yorktown herself was thought to be sunk multiple times, leading the Japanese to think they sunk all 3 of her class. She fought to the last. And so did Hornet. These ships took an insane amount of damage before sinking. Its still almost a criminal offense that they didn't preserve the only survivor of her class, given the contributions they made to US naval superiority of the war. A damn shame.
@1ramyus
2 жыл бұрын
I completely agree with you. It was a crime and iniquity, to not preserve Enterprise. Big, big cultural and historical loss. The biggest of them all.
@michaelasbury7121
2 жыл бұрын
Well, in a way, two of them did survive. But, Yorktown is under three miles of water, and Hornet is God knows where.
@HACM-mk3qx
2 жыл бұрын
Paul Stillwell's team found Hornet
@justsoicanfingcomment5814
2 жыл бұрын
No us carrier has been lost since World War II because no us carrier has fallen under concentrated heavy enemy attack since World War II.
@GuyFreeman5041
2 жыл бұрын
@@justsoicanfingcomment5814 while that is true, today's aircraft carriers are able to withstand massive hits and stay afloat. If you haven't watched it already, you should look up the USS America. It is insane what that ship took before she sunk.
@Balmung60
3 жыл бұрын
Given how many lives Yorktown seemed to have, are we sure she was actually a ship and not a cat?
@Its-Just-Zip
3 жыл бұрын
I should hope she at least had a ship's cat
@SOU6900
3 жыл бұрын
Cats are bad luck on a ship. Or that's the story anyway.
@BattleshipMan_
3 жыл бұрын
I'm offended
@tommatt2ski
3 жыл бұрын
@@SOU6900 KMS Bismarck had a cat, which was rescued after Bismarck's sinking, The cat was placed on HMS Ark Royal , which was then torpedoed and sunk by a U-boat . The cat got revenge !
@Yorkington
3 жыл бұрын
@@BattleshipMan_ I mean... you have cat attached to your hip, essentially.
@brianhall23
3 жыл бұрын
I have been to Yorktown and Missouri. I would say that New Jersey would have survived the damage but would have been in dry dock for a while. Yorktown is worthy of the praise you have given that class of ships.
@sd906238
3 жыл бұрын
There are 2 different USS Yorktown aircraft carriers the CV-5 the one lost at the Battle of Midway and the later CV-10.
@oafdawg314
2 жыл бұрын
How long were you able to hold your breath when you visited Yorktown?
@richard6133
Жыл бұрын
@@oafdawg314 Context matters. I have been to the CV-10 Yorktown and the other ships at Patriot's Point many times over the years. I got to spend two nights on board when I was in high school. The ship holds great sentimental value for me, not just for all the history there, but the good times spent there with family and friends. Definitely worth the visit for people who are down that way.
@snupjeve
3 жыл бұрын
what a splendid class of ships. They were designed to treaty limitations and so their design involved a number of tradeoffs and compromises, but you would never know it from the way they and their brilliant crews fought.
@pablononescobar
3 жыл бұрын
I’ve seen Yorktown CV-10, it’s great!
@invadegreece9281
3 жыл бұрын
Same
@lada702
3 жыл бұрын
@@invadegreece9281 Invade Italy
@apex_blue
3 жыл бұрын
I have been to the Lexington so I know the feeling.
@haldorasgirson9463
3 жыл бұрын
First 15 minutes are a love letter to CV-5. Well done. Yah and Japanese torpedoes worked, ours didn't. Good thing we had bombers.
@1ramyus
2 жыл бұрын
I'd say, thank God we had SBD Dauntless. Arguably the best dive-bombers of world war two. Much better than their successors, Helldivers
@spudskie3907
3 жыл бұрын
We need a CVN named Yorktown.
@ph89787
3 жыл бұрын
And another one named Hornet.
@cassidy109
3 жыл бұрын
The USN missed a golden opportunity to name CVN-81 Yorktown. Doris Miller was a great American, a verifiable hero, but that’s a name for a destroyer or frigate, not a carrier.
@ph89787
3 жыл бұрын
@@cassidy109 He also died aboard a carrier in 1943.
@ph89787
3 жыл бұрын
@@cassidy109 Also missed opportunity to name CVN-81 and CVN-82 as Yorktown and Hornet
@ronmaximilian6953
3 жыл бұрын
CVN-82 hasn't been named. The Ticonderoga class cruiser was decommissioned and scrapped, so the name is available.
@jetdriver
3 жыл бұрын
The Yorktown’s were very good ships and proved to be very durable. Their unfortunate Achilles heel however was they boiler/engine room lay out with everything concentrated. Had they been built with an alternating engine room and boiler room configuration I’m convinced that both Yorktown and Hornet would have not been immobilized and thus would have survived.
@garyhill2740
Жыл бұрын
Many newer U.S. cruisers employed the alternating boiler and engine room design for just the reasons you mentioned. I believe this was first implemented with the St. Louis class cruisers, which provided the template for future USN light and heavy cruisers. The last of that line, the Newport News class, were probably some of the most survivable ships of their era short of a battleship.
@benwelch4076
3 жыл бұрын
My favorite ship covered! She was one of the reasons why I became interested in American history and learned to always pay attention to the individual stories associated with events. Great work as always.
@TEHSTONEDPUMPKIN
3 жыл бұрын
Been on CV10 quite a bit. CV10 and Ft Sumter were some of my favorite things about Charleston. Personally I think CV5 is a under appreciated.
@happyboater3058
3 жыл бұрын
I have 100% agreement with Yorktown as one of my favourite ships. Quickly repaired and plays a pivotal role in the battle of midway (both in the attack and defence). The war might have turned out quite differently without this one ship.
@1ramyus
2 жыл бұрын
CV-5 wasn't repaired. Her wound on the side was just patched by a huge plate of steel, and her bulging bulkheads were just propped by timber beams. There was no time for repairs.
@richardgreen1383
2 жыл бұрын
Interesting. I actually flew off of the 2nd Yorktown (CVS-10) after she was returned to the Atlantic in 1969 as part of the air group deployed aboard her in the summer of 1969. While we enjoyed all the WestPac goodies (the Pacific fleet had more money so the Yorktown had a lot of air conditioned spaces that the USS Randolph (CVS-15 and our previous ship) did not have. The interaction of the air group and ships company was not nearly as good, however. When they brought Yorktown around the horn (angle deck carriers could no longer go through the Panama Canal) only 1/3 of her crew came with her. To that about 1/3 of the crew from the Randolph was transferred and the remainder of the crew was new. The old crew didn't want to be there and the us vs them between them and the Randolph crew didn't help. But, she's a good ship and I'm glad she survived the cutting torch unlike the Randolph. When I was going through flight training and the topic of carriers came up our instructor drew a thin chalk line down the board and commented that on a carrier that is what separated you from the sea. A little exaggerated, but not by much. The story of the CV-5 Yorktown was still held in awe by the Navy sea dogs when I was in the Navy (1965-1970).
@glennedgar5057
3 жыл бұрын
My grandfaughter was a young boy during wwi. he saw men broken by poison gas and trench warfare. my dad memorized the eye test to join ww2. he went from being a milk truck driver to a warrant officer would was an expert on automatic transmissions of sherman tanks. similar things happened to my uncle in korean war. we are facing a fourth turning where our young people will face similar challenges as our greatest generation. thank you for keeping their memory alive and hopefully this will be a insperation to our young people.
@johnw5584
3 жыл бұрын
My brother in law, served on the Yorktown during the Vietnam war era. He said they would launch cars off of the catapult. It would fly 1/4 of a mile.
@JohnRodriguesPhotographer
3 жыл бұрын
Did it matter if the car had fins?
@danielbond9755
3 жыл бұрын
Wrong ship. CV5 sank in 1942.
@SkeeterPondRC
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah... I’ve heard the same. Here’s the thing, why would they have a car on board? Where are they launching it? What purpose would that serve? In other words, no, they didn’t.
@DvlHownd
3 жыл бұрын
@@SkeeterPondRC Actually they did launch some but that was old Navy. EPA would scream if they did that today. When a carrier is redeployed to a new homeport, it often redeploys its crew as well. To speed and ease the transition, the Navy will load the crew’s belongs and vehicles onto the carrier to speed up the moving process and make it less stressful. After all, you have something the size of a small city relocating. It can easily accommodate hundreds of vehicles at no cost to itself to carry them save for the time to load them and unload them. They have done similar tests with the Gerald Ford. More of a test sled on that one though. You don't want to launch a multi-million dollar aircraft and crew without making sure the cat works.
@graceneilitz7661
2 жыл бұрын
CV-10 Yorktown, not the carrier the video is about.
@jacobpederson6628
2 жыл бұрын
CV-2 Lexington is my favorite carrier. I just love the look of her and Saratoga. It's really sad that she was sunk so early but the lessons in damage control learned then greatly helped the other carriers.
@chrisv7193
3 жыл бұрын
The Midway class was the last gasp at the huge funnels, just those ships were much larger, so the island/funnel didn’t look abnormally large like on a Yorktown class carrier.
@henrykeene39
3 жыл бұрын
My step grandfather and his brother ( step great uncle) were plank owners on the Yorktown cv5 both where on the ship one was in the hanger at the other was in the boiler room
@RogerWKnight
3 жыл бұрын
The Japanese believed they sank 4 Yorktown class carriers. "Wait a minute, the Americans have FOUR Yorktowns?" That might explain why Yamamoto didn't send his big battleships and his Midway invasion force after losing his 4 carriers. "It appears that the American industrial production ramped up faster than we thought."
@ph89787
2 жыл бұрын
Nimitz wished he had 4 Yorktowns.
@mattorama
3 жыл бұрын
The thing about the naval treaty limiting tonnage, how much straight up lying went on with that? Seems it would be in every country's best interest to understate the displacement of their ships.
@redeyedwithanger5866
3 жыл бұрын
we didnt wait long lol the Lexingtons were given the tonnage allowed by the treaty to them despite it being a provision for older ships to add 3000 tons of extra defenses onto existing ships not a new conversion so even we were guilty of cheating the system lol
@JoshuaTootell
2 жыл бұрын
Hypothesis: The countries who had no interest in obeying could use that as a reason to plan out their future fleet. Those who were trying to avoid war (America) probably liked the justification to save money.
@pedenharley6266
3 жыл бұрын
BB-55 has a 1.1. I was just poking around it the other day. The guns and mount are in rough shape - it looks like something that sat outside in a scrap yard for a long time before being picked up by the museum, but you can still get an idea about the mount's unique features. I believe CV-10 also has a 1.1 on display on its hanger deck.
@chanman819
3 жыл бұрын
The Yorktowns may not have looked like much, but hot damn if they weren't some of the tankiest tanks to ever tank
@MarkJoseph81
8 ай бұрын
Incredible history... unimaginable to be in that situation. I love learning about history.
@vernonloften5248
Жыл бұрын
I've been patriots point and fort sumpter so it's a first class experience. So much to take in. I think Ryan's assessment is on point and reasonable to say Yorktown was a true warrior
@keiranallcott1515
3 жыл бұрын
Uss enterprise was stateside in late 1942 and early 1943 , among the additions was a torpedo blister , also too she was the first fully operational night carrier and did the first night sortie from a carrier
@huskythedinosaur1592
3 жыл бұрын
First fully operational US night carrier and did the first US night sortie from a carrier*
@keiranallcott1515
3 жыл бұрын
@@huskythedinosaur1592 you could also add that the name enterprise had twice the distinction of having CVN , CVN 6 because of the first fully operational night carrier and CVN 65 for the first carrier vessel nuclear ,
@Philistine47
3 жыл бұрын
1) There are other reasons for USN torpedo squadrons to fly with smaller numbers than the other squadrons in US carrier air groups besides their vulnerability in their attack run. Torpedo aircraft were simply larger than other aircraft on carrier decks. This was particularly noted when the TBF/TBM Avenger came into service (the after-action report form USS _Enterprise_ after Eastern Solomons made special note that VT squadrons needed to be reduced due to the difficulty of moving the big new Grummans around the hangar and flight decks), but even the TBD was significantly bigger than the SBD (not to mention the F4F). And of course TBD numbers were additionally restricted because of the limited production run of that type of aircraft. 2) How would USS _New Jersey_ have held up against the detonation of USS _Hamman's_ load of depth charges close aboard? That might be more damaging than the actual torpedoes fired by _I-168_ (and _maaaay_ have been the final blow that resulted in USS _Yorktown_ sinking).
@trekkie1701c
3 жыл бұрын
Slept aboard the Charleston Yorktown as part of a Cub Scout camping trip. Was an interesting experience seeing the ship, and I'd love to go back as an adult one day.
@mokdumoknonsharrall1868
3 жыл бұрын
I never had that chance. What kinds of activities do you get to do? What's the key take-aways form the experience?
@wastelander89
5 ай бұрын
I want to say thanks for all the time and effort put into the videos. I always learn something new and i always enjoy your videos thanks for making great content . I love learning about naval history and ww2 American ships
@BryceKant
3 жыл бұрын
Enterprise (CV-6) will always be a legend, but the story of Yorktown (CV-5) is on the same level as the great stories from ancient times of men who are larger than life doing deeds beyond that of mere mortal men.
@HACM-mk3qx
2 жыл бұрын
There was a book called "No higher honor. USS Yorktown and the battle of Midway." Admiral Halsey was quoted "There are no extraordinary men, only normal men under extraordinary circumstances."
@_R-R
3 жыл бұрын
In my opinion, surviving damage is not all about the design of the ship. The damage control training of the crew plays a HUGE role in determining survival or sinking. (I.E. USS Lexington vs USS Franklin.) Can't wait for a chance to see the USS New Jersey (BB-62). Beautiful ship.
@JohnRodriguesPhotographer
3 жыл бұрын
A side note to the repair efforts to get Yorktown turned around in 72 hours, the arc welders were working there butts off as you said 24/7 and people were complaining about brownouts in the Pearl harbor area. Folks there is a flipping war on don't believe me come look at the USS Arizona over here. By the way that's why there's oil on top of the water all over Pearl harbor!
@notme123123
3 жыл бұрын
Seeing oil still floating up to the surface from the USS Arizona was a powerful and moving experience.
@73Trident
3 жыл бұрын
Good job Ryan, you are getting really getting good at this. Congrats.
@charleslowery7914
2 жыл бұрын
The Yorktown and more specifically the crew definitely deserve the praise placed upon them.
@Jtretta
3 жыл бұрын
The Yorktown "acquiring" extra AA guns sounds like your fellow museum ship Olympia "acquiring" a couple gatling guns and a crap ton of personal firearms in the pre-dreadnought era.
@loualiberti4781
3 жыл бұрын
Thoroughly Enjoyable and Informative - Thank you sir.
@austinhughes6852
3 жыл бұрын
USS Yorktown is the definition.Of not going down without a fight!
@almartiniii1541
2 жыл бұрын
Her spirit and the tenacity, skill, and drive of her men kept her going.
@JohnRodriguesPhotographer
3 жыл бұрын
Yorktown class were tough as hell ships.
@ph89787
3 жыл бұрын
Despite having to fit within the Washington Naval Treaty limits.
@JohnRodriguesPhotographer
3 жыл бұрын
@@ph89787 a good comparison with a contemporary, Arc Royal. 1 torpedo vs 4 and the bomb hits.
@ph89787
3 жыл бұрын
@@JohnRodriguesPhotographer To be fair on Ark Royal. The chances of her surviving would have been greater. If the Royal Navy’s response to a U-Boat attack on one of their carriers is to abandon ship. The worst part about it was that the sinking of Courageous and Eagle contributed to that thinking.
@JohnRodriguesPhotographer
3 жыл бұрын
@@ph89787 there was a major design flaw in the compartmentalization of the engineering spaces. Plus the hatches left open when they abandoned ship all contributed her loss. But Yorktown settled, a little, but did not sink with no one on board.
@JohnRodriguesPhotographer
3 жыл бұрын
@@ph89787 both captains abandoned ship early because of concerns about capsizing. The design flaw was part of the compromises in the design for the Washington naval treaty. The engineering spaces weren't compartmentalized longitudely just laterally. So damage on one side would flood both sides of a compartment. Keep in mind also Yorktown had two torpedo hits compared to Arc Royal single torpedo hit. Again her torpedo hit was compounded by the design and all the hatches being left open. I can only assume Yorktown dogged the hatches.
@fifteenbyfive
3 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed Charleston it's a sleepy but fun vacation. The CV-10 Yorktown was the crown jewel of the ships there but it's not the only one to see. I agree CV-5 deserves the praise given here and that it was the 2nd best fleet carrier class in the world after the Shokakus which were Japan's first unlimited design and the most powerful warships afloat in December 1941.
@Balmung60
3 жыл бұрын
One thing that's kind of worth considering is that if an Iowa was at Midway and did try to close the distance to engage the Japanese carriers with its guns, it's possible it would have wound up fighting Yamato, which was present but did not engage for obvious reasons. A fast battleship barreling towards the Japanese carrier force would likely have prompted a response in kind from the Japanese battleship forces present to protect the carriers. Of course, instead, it could wind up being an Iowa laying the smackdown on Haruna and Kirishima.
@redeyedwithanger5866
3 жыл бұрын
the iwoas were good but the sheer punishment a yamato had to take to die was impossibly mind boggling. although the old girls never had that what if....my moneys on Yamato in a 1 on 1 fight
@mikebronicki8264
Жыл бұрын
@@redeyedwithanger5866 I'll take your money and the Iowa class. In the Midway scenario, 1 Iowa vs 1 Yamato with accompanying air attacks from the remaining carriers. Oh yah, there were no Japanese carriers left. Musashi and Yamato proved themselves defenseless against air attack.
@Dracule0117
2 жыл бұрын
I'm awed all over again every time I read/hear about Yorktown's incredible resilience. Hats off to her damage control parties for their excellence, and to the ship & her whole crew for embodying the fiercely defiant, never-say-quit American fighting spirit.
@nufy08
2 жыл бұрын
Yes I love the Yorktown class. Yes easily disabled, but they where tough! They all took huge amounts of damage. And could be repaired very fast. Look at Yorktown herself. Enterprise not being turned into a museum ship is a crime
@stevewindisch7400
3 жыл бұрын
Great vid. As usual sounded right on the money, especially the counter-factual on the I-Boat being able to torp the BB. The Chicago Piano 1.1" AA vs. the Japanese 25mm : Like comparing broccoli to asparagus (both cooked by your great aunt Vivian, boiled way too long & served without butter.. not even the dog will take it under the table). Was surprised to hear they liked to keep the Brownings around: Whether the enemy be torp or dive bombers, you can't kill them with .30 or .50 cal's before they drop their ordinance (so the point is rather moot). I guess it made them feel better? Later in the war I am sure they would not have been allowed to since all hands were needed for the 20 and 40's.
@micfail2
3 жыл бұрын
The tracers were pretty good at disrupting formations and attacks. They weren't a real threat to the planes bit I'm sure it wouldn't feel that way if you're flying an aluminum can at 100 miles per hour a couple hundred yards above the surface of the ocean when suddenly a line of tracers cuts vaguely across your path.
@micfail2
3 жыл бұрын
@Chandler White right, and flack guns were worthless because they didn't stop the V-2s.
@micfail2
3 жыл бұрын
@Chandler White cool story. Also irrelevant.
@micfail2
3 жыл бұрын
@Chandler White oh, so you still think that flack was useless and a waste of time and money since they didn't stop the v2s? Sorry but we'll have to agree to disagree on that, facts don't care about your feelings or your inability to understand the facts that a tools inability to stop a threat it was never intended to deal with in the first place cold in its tracks doesn't mean that it's completely useless. If you would actually bothered reading the comment you were replying to and understanding what was being said in the first place then you would know that. as I have already pointed out a couple of times, according to your reasoning slack was useless since it didn't stop the V-2s. I guess Sherman tanks were useless since they didn't stop Bismarck. Obviously Yamato was useless, it didn't stop Japan from being nuked! You believe some wacky stuff my dude.
@christianvalentin5344
3 жыл бұрын
I’ve been on Yorktown (CV-10) and Hornet (CV-12). WRT 2 Yorktowns for 1 Iowa, the better comparison is how many Essex CVs to 1 Iowa, as they both classes were being built at the same time. Yorktown and Enterprise were already launched before any Iowa was even authorized!
@NomadShadow1
3 жыл бұрын
Damn, reported sunk 4 times. Takes a lickin’ and keeps on kickin’
@calibateman
3 жыл бұрын
I love all your videos. Thank you so much.
@brucechapa6958
3 жыл бұрын
Here is an idea for the “would the Battleship New Jersey survive” series with a more modern twist. How about would the New Jersey survive what sank the six British ships during the Falklands War.
@nzgunnie
3 жыл бұрын
There were a variety of causes, either free fall 500lb bombs, or in two cases, Exocet. NJ would almost certainly have survived the bombs, because of her armour. Not sure about the exocet, I guess it depends on where it might have impacted.
@dong4617
3 жыл бұрын
New Jersey didn't have an aluminum superstructure like the HMS Sheffield et al. Steel has a much higher melting point (1200 vs 2600 F).
@dennisbryan4100
2 жыл бұрын
I truly think if the destroyers were able to neutralize the submarine threat that emergency repairs would have continued and they would have towed Yorktown into Pearl for repairs.
@davidyoung5114
2 ай бұрын
You neglect to take in the fact that 17 Val dive bombers were sent by the Hiryu to avenge the strikes on the three other Japanese carriers, and had they encountered the New Jersey instead of the Yorktown, who had her combat air patrol alerted to the approaching threat and were waiting, the New Jersey would have had to face the best dive bomber squadron the Kido Butai had at that time, and probably would have sustained more bomb hits than the three they made on Yorktown. Plus, the ten Kate torpedo bombers that followed shortly afterwards would most likely have made more than two strikes against the New Jersey. Combined with the torpedoes that came from the Japanese submarine the following day, I'm thinking that the New Jersey would not have survived.
@JohnRodriguesPhotographer
3 жыл бұрын
One of the things that wasn't repaired in the emergency dry docking at Pearl harbor was her watertight integrity. They knew that there was damaged to the integrity and she could possibly suffer uncontrollable flooding if there was penetrations below the water line. That is why Captain buckmaster abandoned ship what we know today as too early.
@bflat879
3 жыл бұрын
The Yorktown almost survived the attacks so I'm sure New Jersey would have. One factor that makes survival possible is Damage Control training and our Navy was one of the best. The Japanese, on the other hand, had serious problems with Damage Control.
@scottwooster4102
3 жыл бұрын
I have visited the CV-10. I have also visited the Intrepid and Midway. I think in terms of a museum ship the CV-10 is the least impressive. I did really like this video, I learned a lot about the CV-5 Yorktown that I did not know. Always great information. Thanks Ryan!
@vicmclaglen1631
3 жыл бұрын
Ships that sink more than a few hundred feet almost always right themselves before hitting bottom; once everything is flooded all things become more or less equal again and they return to the right way up as designed.
@Klemeq
3 жыл бұрын
I've got a request about some of the test rounds for the 16" rifles. I've only seen a tiny bit about sabot-sub-munitions. Super high velocity, super high ballistic coefficient and sectional density, and correspondingly long range. While still packing more punch than the 12" fired by the Alaskas. ALSO, could a VT fuse have been fitted to a 16" HC round for use in shore bombardment in the way it was used in the battle of the bulge?
@Lucas12v
3 жыл бұрын
I'd like to hear more about this as well.
@WBtimhawk
3 жыл бұрын
Same here ! : )
@Yaivenov
3 жыл бұрын
Good questions!
@shocktrooper2622
3 жыл бұрын
New VT Shells were added during 1980s - 1990s Deployments HE-CVT Mark 143 - 1,900 lbs. (862 kg) Before this however, there were VT-HC shells in use from aprox~ 1944 until 45, and the USN even came up with AAA charts for the 16"/50 guns.
@prestonrenify
2 жыл бұрын
This is excellent! Thank you. You do good work.
@jeffgrier8488
3 жыл бұрын
I think that Yorktown deserves every bit of the praise you've given, she was one tough ship to take that much damage before finally sinking. My gut feeling is that New Jersey would have survived what sank Yorktown. Thanks for the great episode!
@rinzler9171
3 жыл бұрын
Navweaps website has an article suggesting that the Iowa class was extremely resistant to capsizing and were designed to "sink straight down," meaning the risk of capsizing was minimized. SoDak absorbed an immense amount of close range damage at Guadalcanal, and she is often compared to Bismarck as far as damage sustained. Since the Iowas are supposed to be enlarged and faster SoDak's, stands to reason they can easily absorb any damage any given carrier suffered throughout the war... except maybe Shinano lol
@A50S2D
3 жыл бұрын
I had the opportunity to see CV10 about 20 years ago. Have also seen Midway.
@RuralTowner
Жыл бұрын
9:35 I believe the correct or more accurate term would be "requisitioning"...when the intent is to give one's own ship (or unit) a step up from what might have otherwise been.
@JohnRodriguesPhotographer
3 жыл бұрын
I agree with your assessment regarding yorktown's damage being applied to the New Jersey. I also understand your affection for Yorktown as she is one of my favorites also. My favorite aircraft carriers of world War II are Yorktown, Enterprise and Benjamin Franklin. In that order all for different reasons. There are substantial reasons in the shape of the torpedo hit the struck North Carolina to indicate that your assessment of the damage New Jersey would have taken as being non-lethal as being accurate. The only thing you could do is overlay an outline of the whole shape of New Jersey over the top of Yorktown and plot the locations of the first two torpedo hits. I suppose you could go from that and plot the next two torpedo hits assuming you have enough information for that. That would further substantiate your point of view. Is also would be rather interesting. I question whether or not the torpedoes would have struck or if as many torpedoes would have struck from the i-16. Yorktown was dead in the water and being towed there was no possible maneuvering. New Jersey would be under power and would have the possibility of at least some maneuverability. They could also risk increasing power briefly or changing power settings on individual screws to avoid the torpedoes. The key thing is the potential third torpedo strike on Yorktown was absorbed by the destroyer alongside. So you would have to decide what the third torpedo have struck also. That is kind of a random Factor all by itself.
@Butternades
3 жыл бұрын
I’ve been lucky enough to have been aboard both Yorktown and North Carolina, and sometime July 14-17 I’ll be aboard New Jersey
@vaderdudenator1
3 жыл бұрын
I’m listening to supernova in the East 4 working back up to the new episode 6 and the story of Yorktown at coral sea and then midway is incredible.
@everettchris1
3 жыл бұрын
"Yorktown almost survived what sunk Yorktown"... Exactly. Not a lot of margin their to get to survivable for an Iowa class. I think your analysis is spot on.
@WmCRobison
3 жыл бұрын
I had the good fortune to visit C-10 twice. The first time as a kid during an open house while she was still in service in Long Beach/Los Angeles. The second time a few years ago as a museum in Charleston, South Carolina.
@kevinstonerock3158
2 жыл бұрын
Ryan, I’m pretty sure I’ve visited Yorktown twice as well but my visits were back in the nineties. I really enjoyed exploring her back then. I was so afraid I missed certain displays that I made a second trip within a few years. I remember heading out of an exit on the superstructure and was met with rust perforation on a walkway. I was kind of alarmed that it wasn’t repaired by the time of the second visit. Hopefully their maintenance budget has improved so it hasn’t allowed that wonderful ship to deteriorate any further. I didn’t notice anything like that on New Jersey, thankfully, but then it also has more robust metal thickness. Maybe I could make a return trip to the ships moored on the east coast along with some I couldn’t visit due to the pandemic. It would be a great trip to make to celebrate these great ships.
@marioncobaretti2280
2 жыл бұрын
The people that worked in those shipyards were an amazing breed of people. to have designed and built those ships in the manner they did is what I call super human .
@CharlieK92004
3 жыл бұрын
I grew up in Mt.Pleasant. Patriots Point was the best thing about living there. I’ve explored every part of the Yorktown I could, including the flashlight tour, shhh, don’t tell. First time I ever got to go, the N.S. Savannah was there! The other highlight of Mt.P is Palmetto Islands County Park.
@Blackhawkdvz
3 жыл бұрын
Yorktown carriers only sink when they feel like sinking despite whatever the world has to say about the matter
@marksides9757
2 жыл бұрын
I so seriously want to meet this young man, and lure him and his ships down south. lol He is awesome.
@victoriacyunczyk
2 жыл бұрын
I grew up visiting USS Yorktown (CV-10). If I remember correctly, there is a memorial to CV-5 on her.
@davidmcintyre8145
3 жыл бұрын
the only ship of that period rather than the Shokaku class that was a similarly good but flawed design to the Yorktowns was the singleton HMS Ark Royal
@jameshanlon5689
3 жыл бұрын
The original USS Yorktown CV-5 came into Pearl Harbor with extensive damages due to her action at the battle of the coral sea. She was supposed to be in dry dock for 30 or so days for repairs. However, ADM Nimitz ordered that she was to be patched up on 72 hrs of which would not have given the repair party ample time to test whatever water tight doors and bulkheads to ensure that she would have the hull integrity that she had before she was damaged. Let us also not forget that her main belt and torpedo armor is not as thick as that of a battleship. Especially as thick of that of the Iowa class battleships.
@michaelbridges1370
2 жыл бұрын
The. Damage control on Yorktown was great and was super human
@BlindMansRevenge2002
3 жыл бұрын
While the loss of the Yorktown was very tragic and along with carrier hornet spelled out a bleak time for the US Navy during 1942 and early 1943 the bigger tragedy is that the New Jersey did not get to go up against the Yamato
@dougc190
3 жыл бұрын
I agree with what you said. If it wasn't for that Japanese submarine I think they would have put Yorktown back together and it would have gone the distance like Enterprise did. I know good old what ifs
@nomobux7681
3 жыл бұрын
my uncle died on the Yorktown. He was a Petty Officer.
@miketorres8441
3 жыл бұрын
The New jersey would have not sunk, or even been inoperable with two fish and a few bombs.The Yorktown was a definite fighter, and fought till the end, I think if sh had a BB alongside and a few more tin cans for protection she would have survived to fight another day, same goes for the Mighty Hornet!
@robertf3479
3 жыл бұрын
Just a very few months after Midway the two North Carolina class BBs were available, and the guys in Enterprise LOVED the North Carolina because of that massive forest of anti-aircraft artillery she brought to the fight. One sailor in Enterprise wrote of the first time NC opened up in defense of Big E, "I thought at first she (NC) had exploded." Not certain but at that point in the war (Guadalcanal) NC was still armed with 1.1" Chicago Pianos, she would swap those for twin and quad 40mm while under repair after the torpedo poked a big hole in her bow.
@lorenotrambo9551
3 жыл бұрын
There were none around , we only had 3 carriers for the battle of Midway
@danielharnden516
3 жыл бұрын
I looked this up. The first fletcher class destroyers were commissioned in May 1942. Would have been great to have their AA capabilities a few months earlier.
@lorenotrambo9551
3 жыл бұрын
Did you forget the Battle Wagons were still at Pearl Harbor ?
@danielharnden516
3 жыл бұрын
@@lorenotrambo9551 actually from what I had read, the battle ships had deployed to the West Coast and they had 5 of them active there. Most of them would have been too slow to keep up with the carriers though. New Jersey would not have that problem of course.
@danielharrison6484
3 жыл бұрын
Great video. Keep it up 👍.
@k3D4rsi554maq
3 жыл бұрын
I'd suppose that the Japanese considered infra dig to use battleships for shore bombardment.
@kimepp2216
2 жыл бұрын
The Yorktown crew performed magnificently. If the New Jersey had been present it would have been accompanied by a significant escort fleet of destroyers etc. which may have further protected the Yorktown. The support fleet may be an interesting topic for a future video.
@alancranford3398
3 жыл бұрын
According to the Japanese, Yorktown CV-5 was sunk four times--once during the Battle of the Coral Sea, twice during the Battle of Midway, and then one final time by submarine-fired torpedoes. True, between the first and second "sinkings" Yorktown pulled into Pearl Harbor for hasty repairs and to embark replacement aircraft and fliers. Could the New Jersey have survived being sunk four times? I learned several things from this video.
@bmused55
3 жыл бұрын
I've crawled through Yorktown at Patriots Point. A VERY hot metal tub in the sun. But, worth the sweat!
@CMSixSeven
3 жыл бұрын
Ryan, would you consider looking at the USS Oklahoma and the USS Gambier Bay?
@BattleshipNewJersey
3 жыл бұрын
Oklahoma kzitem.info/news/bejne/qo2rrJl3bH1iaoo
@AvengerII
3 жыл бұрын
Nobody's visited the wreck of the Yorktown (CV-5) since 1998 I've read. I wonder what shape she's in now?
@robertf3479
3 жыл бұрын
Yorktown was a tough lady, the class was tougher than they appear on paper. All three absorbed incredible damage before being totally knocked out. EDIT: Yes, I know Enterprise survived the war. She was in Bremerton Navy Yard being put back together yet again after a Kamikazi had mission killed her off Okinawa by blasting the forward centerline aircraft elevator out of the ship. That couldn't be repaired at sea even by Big E's Damage Control miracle workers. I wonder if any Enterprise engineer was an ancestor of Montgomery Scott.
@model-man7802
3 жыл бұрын
It's always about the Enterprise CV6.example,look the the new Midway movie.They left the Yorktown completely out of the movie.Thats half the battle.
@scottl9660
3 жыл бұрын
This may be one of many reasons the new midway movie is far more theater than it is history.
@southwestvirginiarailfan729
2 жыл бұрын
Enterprise really should've been saved as a museum.
@charliefrancis6438
Жыл бұрын
When did the Japanese realize they sank the same ship 4 times, and how much did that demoralize them , and the Yorktown story is inspiring the ship that refused to sink
@UnshavenStatue
Жыл бұрын
It's really not hard to make the argument that the Yorktown-class triplets single handedly won the Pacific War, or perhaps less bombastically, that they were the single most effective class of WW2 (and arguably of any war before or since). Just these three ships almost single handedly stopped the Japanese expansion.
@sprtekid2003
3 жыл бұрын
I love watching the old school midway movie but how close are they to portraying their real life counterparts is there any real good books that’s does a good comparison between all the Pacific commander?
@micfail2
3 жыл бұрын
I'm also interested to know
@papatango2362
3 жыл бұрын
The 1976 one?
@RayyMusik
2 жыл бұрын
I visited CV-10 in 1996. She was in good shape then; hope she still is.
@johnharris6655
3 жыл бұрын
Yorktown was wounded before it fought in Midway. But it did its job, and any battle where you lose one carrier and sink 4 of the enemies is a major victory.
@jimhenry9936
3 жыл бұрын
The American carriers were unarmored,unlike the British carriers which had 3 inches of deck armor. The Battleships were massively armored with multiple levels of deck armor from plunging ap shells. A battle wagon was designed to take many hits from large caliber shells.
@GABABQ2756
3 жыл бұрын
Comshaw: divisional supply PO getting what is needed, by any means, to get the job done.
@RANDALLBRIGGS
2 жыл бұрын
What are those airplanes at 21:00? They don't look like anything Yorktown ever carried.
@robertmartin995
Жыл бұрын
The should make a movie just about Yorktown.
@Lucas12v
3 жыл бұрын
Good analysis.
@WardenWolf
2 жыл бұрын
Short answer, no. Battleships are far better armored and protected, and have far better damage control capabilities. The Yorktown class were purpose-built carriers and thus lacked the heavy armor of a battleship or even a converted battlecruiser. New Jersey was a WW2 era battleship built with the lessons learned from the late interwar North Carolina and South Dakota class. The levels of protection and damage control just cannot be compared.
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