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@Kottery
11 ай бұрын
Been using Factor for the past month or so as they're great for my weeks where I work five twelve hour shifts in a row. Generally pretty good, learned I like mushrooms from these. Still not a fan of green beans... So far the cheesy bacon ranch shredded chicken with broccoli and mushrooms is my favorite. And when in doubt, their grilled chicken is always a banger.
@GamingDualities
11 ай бұрын
wrath will never be big agian withouit balanced pvp servers and witk tokens...
@DerKnusperhase
9 ай бұрын
next step for classic with 20-30 percent icc buff is wrath of the drug dealers king. nearly all guilds desolve only gdkps running now where everybody and theyre dog get 11/12 + hc
@MrSoapert
11 ай бұрын
4 years ago i just said: "well lets see if classic rly is as good as ppl say" and so i did. i Joined a Guild in Classic became an officer and later in AQ 40 the Raidlead without prior knowledge or exp in Leading a Raid. We managed to clear NAXX but above all: We had fun......we still have fun. PPL left and new PPL joined in TBC but we cleard SWP and moved on to Wotlk. And now 4 years later we are on our way to Kill LK and we will but above all WE HAVE SO MUCH FUN. Its kinda crazy that with all the ppl leaving and new ppl joining that a BIG reliable Core of about 15 ppl are Playing in our Guild since classic. Its such a great Game and i enjoy the Time in my Guild so much.
@bohne8746
11 ай бұрын
moorpgs always have been about the people💪
@jordanwinters5268
11 ай бұрын
Similar feeling, I look around at our current raid roster and we still have like 15 people that are the exact same as our clear of classic Naxx, been a fun journey together
@Fizbini1
11 ай бұрын
Cata release will change everything like it did for everyone the first time. Wrecked the game
@GamingDualities
11 ай бұрын
wrath will never be big agian withouit balanced pvp servers and witk tokens...
@raechu_01210
11 ай бұрын
I wish I could just take Wrath class design and put it in Vanilla. Viable hybrid dps specs. Ret paladin with actual dps buttons. Casters that do more than press the same spell over and over. I think one of the reasons Warrior is so crazy popular in Vanilla, aside from being numerically the best class obviously, is they are just plain more involved than other specs. I'd say my Vanilla warrior feels similar in complexity to my Wrath hunter. But I like all of the things Vanilla does. A bigger focus on the journey. Having a main character. Focusing on preparation rather than execution.
@MrFireGabe
11 ай бұрын
This I can get behind. I like the world and journey of vanilla but the class designs are uhhhhhhhhhh.......
@jinkura_
9 ай бұрын
Agreed
@Giggles4692
5 ай бұрын
That would be the best. Everyone agrees that Wrath has better classes while Vanilla has better atmosphere.
@trousersnake1486
11 ай бұрын
Wrath will always hold a special place in my mind but playing classic hc, being mid 30 in age I greatly appreciate the more simple and slower paced "journey" it provides
@Sarlyx
11 ай бұрын
ok boomer
@camronjohnson4232
11 ай бұрын
Im 27 and completely agree, got a couple work friends to join me and its awesome a couple hours a night after work!
@roffe8751
11 ай бұрын
@@Sarlyx2019 called…
@roffe8751
11 ай бұрын
I also agree. Unfortunetly my HC journey ended at lvl 39 because of a DC. Its a small flaw that really ruins the official HC concept. But slow pacing through vanilla was so fun.
@holymacarenafin2319
11 ай бұрын
Im 28 and never playd wow Back then. Went to druid when classic came out. Now enjoying HC as challenge.
@bejeta7
11 ай бұрын
When I was first playing vanilla, I thought expansions would just add more content to the existing world. I guess I was naive. I didn't realize it would shoehorn us into different and smaller continents
@Zebrastreifen77
11 ай бұрын
I realised that first week of tbc original launch. Back in 2007. Blizzard never learned that they are ruining they game, a small step at a time with each expansion that doesn't build upon the previous content but instead replaced it.
@AEGISDEFENSE
11 ай бұрын
Having played them so close back to back now…I prefer classic. The world is so much more alive and it’s own character. More of it is used versus everyone being in Outland or Northrend.
@tainicon4639
11 ай бұрын
I agree, though I prefer the way Paladin plays in wrath… I love the old world
@Permuh
11 ай бұрын
@@tainicon4639 put the wrath abilities in classic+ or ptr just to check it out!😂
@shane3744
11 ай бұрын
@@tainicon4639 I feel like class design is overall better in WotLK and beyond. If they take some learnings from the more modern class designs and just apply them to the world of Vanilla, more variety of specs may be viable. That would freshen things up a lot.
@dannyp9210
11 ай бұрын
@@shane3744 Imagine Vanilla but with Wrath talents, class design, encounter design and more danger :O
@sergiolandz6056
11 ай бұрын
@@dannyp9210 that be awesome, would be nice to have servers with what you mentioned.
@zrakcin
11 ай бұрын
Started playing hardcore recently and I’m really liking it. I agree that both versions have their own purpose. I play Wrath as well mainly for the end game dungeons and raiding, and classic vanilla when I want a more relaxed, immersive experience
@tiyangina3571
11 ай бұрын
Im the same just that I never got into playing classic earlier on and thus am not playing wrath classic, but retail for its end game PvE, with hardcore on the side for some relaxed but not too stakeless adventuring
@GamingDualities
11 ай бұрын
wrath will never be big agian withouit balanced pvp servers and witk tokens...
@lerenardroux
11 ай бұрын
i hope we get classic+
@Shiirow
11 ай бұрын
no matter how many times your regurgitate this sentiment nor how many thumbs up you get. theres a negative percent chance of it happening.
@TheConnoiseurofTheArtofSnort
11 ай бұрын
I want wrath+
@TheConnoiseurofTheArtofSnort
11 ай бұрын
@@ShiirowJust like with blizzard bringing back vanilla wow?
@DRourk
11 ай бұрын
Be careful what you wish for. The current Blizzard devs couldn't design a good game if their lives depended on it.
@troqu
11 ай бұрын
@olehalvorsen I'm surprised anyone believes the current Blizz could make a "classic+" that wouldn't be universally hated
@DudeyRhino
11 ай бұрын
Been loving Classic Era for months now.
@Shitockiful
11 ай бұрын
Oh yeah, just wait a couple more and you’ll see how many people are left
@pocketqueens830
11 ай бұрын
@@Shitockiful been playing era for over a year, we'll be here having fun whether its the 'popular' thing or not. Honestly it was more fun before credit card swipers came back.
@wusscake
11 ай бұрын
After watching these videos, I think what appeals the most to people in vanilla classic is the entire world stays relevant throughout the entire expansion. Even when Naxx came out, the rest of the world was still relevant. Other quests took you into the other zones, there were enemies to farm for specific mats, etc. Older dungeons would often have 1-2 items for each class that were so good, they were worth going back into. TBC had this as well with Gruul's Dragonspine Trophy. There's no need to get super tryhardy over it. It's not that kind of game. This game was popular BECAUSE it didn't appeal to the super hardcore. There was plenty to do, even for the most casual of players.
@masterguy15
10 ай бұрын
If I wanted to enjoy the story of WoW and not play retail, what would be the best way to do so?
@neugassh3570
11 ай бұрын
tbc is was better than wotlk
@MichaelSmith-lr8cp
11 ай бұрын
I was also shocked to realize this
@starsareangels7
11 ай бұрын
True I want tbc fresh again cuz I didn't get to finish before wrath prepatch ruined it.
@MoonTurky
11 ай бұрын
No version of wow is good. Farming gold and resources just to do a boring raid.. yawn
@Prawnsly
11 ай бұрын
@MoonTurky you've left like 50 pointless negative comments. why not just move on instead of trying to make other people as sad and angry as you are?
@DoubtedPumpkin
11 ай бұрын
I got whiplash when you revealed that classic has been out for 4 years
@alexanderqwertz1387
11 ай бұрын
playing vanilla at nighttime doesnt fuck up my sleep compared to other games because its so calming
@MoonTurky
11 ай бұрын
Or just sleep instead of playing games ?
@alexanderqwertz1387
11 ай бұрын
never@@MoonTurky
@Boneheaded0
11 ай бұрын
Hope we get classic+ and cata I love both versions of the game
@stonemove4207
11 ай бұрын
I started in Classic 2019. Loved it. Played 100s days on my warlock. My only character. Then TBC came out. I made a Tauren Shaman. Played TBC from lvl 1 horde to 70. Had a blast, loved it. WOTLK came out, I played 1 month with my Shaman and left. Wrath wasn't the game I was playing before. Something was different... Now back on Classic HC waiting for Classic+ ! Great video btw!!
@kristianyanev3533
11 ай бұрын
It's actually unbelievable how many times Willie can upload the same video saying the same thing and get away with it xD
@Shiftlinkage101
11 ай бұрын
This is the first video I've watched in a very long time due to that exact reason. It might not show in his sub count, but I'm sure his breakdown would show signs of that being a bigger problem than you imagine.
@blubblubwhat
11 ай бұрын
What was the message in this video or the reason for its existance? I watched it but i cant tell for the live of me
@zedorian6547
11 ай бұрын
There isnt one. Its literally just a quick “here are a few main differences between wrath and vanilla classic” and thats about it. Maybe he is trying to help us make an informed decision on which version to play?
@jamespadgett8660
11 ай бұрын
@@zedorian6547 haven't we had this same video at least twice before?
@MoonTurky
11 ай бұрын
@@jamespadgett8660Give him a break, this guy literally has to be a productive member of society and poison our brains with the most regurgitated useless information and shit mobile game ads so he can live a comfy life doing literally nothing but dedicating his existence to a 15 year old dumpster fire
@zedorian6547
11 ай бұрын
@@jamespadgett8660 pretty sure we have
@arc-sd8sk
11 ай бұрын
tbc was the perfect balance between vanilla and wrath i will die on this hill edit: flying also rules, thank you
@derekjanisch584
11 ай бұрын
Later, Sincerely the Wrath Enjoyers
@casko9626
11 ай бұрын
You will die alone
@MoonTurky
11 ай бұрын
^ Now those are some genuine WoW player comments
@vvillhelmzecheekclapper7984
11 ай бұрын
@@derekjanisch584 as they log off and perma quit the game lol
@jameskillbot2867
11 ай бұрын
Tbc is the peak for me too.
@jonascourturee
11 ай бұрын
Lifes tough as a guy who enjoys Classic, Wrath, and Retail... Wish I could just settle on one of them lol
@Giggles4692
5 ай бұрын
Don’t know how one could enjoy retail
@blainelashley2120
11 ай бұрын
i really enjoyed classic, i hope we get classic plus.
@Giggles4692
5 ай бұрын
We have Classic+ which is called Season of Discovery
@BluuSkyz
6 ай бұрын
I played towards the end of BC and really got the hang of things in wrath. I’m playing classic now for the first time ever but also downloading wrath because it was my jam.. I want to try it before they move onto cataclysm. Classic will always be there.
@grabeck666
11 ай бұрын
There were some recent leaks that said there will be no Cata Classic, that blizz stops at Wrath.
@dontreplytome5665
8 ай бұрын
Then the roadmap dropped lmao
@grabeck666
8 ай бұрын
@@dontreplytome5665 yeah this post didn't age well
@khansterbeam95
11 ай бұрын
- Retail for story (but I really dislike the story now, so I'm not there) - Classic HC for gameplay - Wrath for both (but I'm addicted to HC at the moment, so on a break)
@Tmaxfield194
7 ай бұрын
I havnt played wow since 2009. I played from launch till then. I came back to wow about 2 weeks ago. To try SOD.. and im having a blast. Have a 34 undead priest. As ive always played a healer class as my main. Its era with a twist. Love it.
@SaarimaaSauli
11 ай бұрын
Classic hands down, but really looking forward to cata dungeons and raiding.
@fobb94
11 ай бұрын
Vanilla and wrath need to have a baby. Good leveling experience and good end game
@EdinMike
11 ай бұрын
Funny enough, I left original WoW in Wrath and came back for a sneak peak in Cata. And enjoyed it for a few months, never raided in OG Cata though… So I’m tempted to repeat history !
@andromidius
11 ай бұрын
The raiding is great. Until the last one. Which is 'okay' until the final encounter. Which is awful. But those two first tiers? Wow, seriously - peak WoW experiences. Main issue with Cata was the long waits. Which shouldn't happen second time round.
@Xfacta12482
11 ай бұрын
@@andromidius I'm not sure I could call tier 2 "peak WoW". There was 1 small raid w/ Firelands, and you def felt the missing water raid. And personally, I always thought the beginning of Dragon Soul is the worst raid they've ever released. You literally teleported to copy & paste rooms & boss models, before you teleported again to kill a tank n spank generic dragon
@JohnRock14
11 ай бұрын
@@Xfacta12482what? T11 was SOLID and firelands is one of the best raids ever with a super sick encounter at the end.
@chipchippahson
11 ай бұрын
@@Xfacta12482 Tank n spank dragon? Stfu you NEVER did Heroic Spine. Lol. Trash first time LFR player when it came out.
@chrisbreen6484
11 ай бұрын
@@Xfacta12482that 'generic dragon' is one of the biggest characters in the lore since way back in the strategy games, you just dont know what youre talking about
@dalehill5192
11 ай бұрын
I was playing during the original WotLK and classic, I had no desire to repeat the Loremaster achievement again because during the original I didn't use any add-ons..
@MyHonFreaksTv
11 ай бұрын
Wouldn't it be lovely for them to go all out for classic + like after classic + they implement all the dropped ideas from tbc for tbc + same with wrath they had so many great ideas which were cut in the end. Tbh I just wanna see the Gundrak Wotlk raid shit looked so promissing
@stefangeibla3824
11 ай бұрын
I have played both versions a lot… honestly i was disappointed in Wotlk. The open world is completely deserted except for bots, it’s just a raid logging simulator. People afk in dala until raid, min/max like hell then log off. Vanilla is a real MMO… there is so much more to do, so much interaction with the open world 😍
@fritzschnitzmueller3768
11 ай бұрын
I have a lot of fun in wrath. But I probably had the best time ever during classic and even more during Season of Mastery
@FreedomFighter08
11 ай бұрын
The problem with vanilla classic is the class balance. In wotlk every spec is viable in raids which is more fun from a raiding/end game perspective and there are less meme specs.
@BLKCLVR
11 ай бұрын
I stopped playing Wrath, not because of any inherent problems but because my guild didn't have enough raid spots. I was really enjoying it. But wow, Hardcore really has been so much fun.
@Kurisuvision
11 ай бұрын
Granted we didn't have JJ back in original Wrath, we had RAF which I would much rather. 50% bonus is pittance in comparison to 300% + hourly summon + an additional month of game time + mount / pet limited to RAF monthly rewards.
@johernandez266
11 ай бұрын
What do you think will happen, when Classic catches up to Retail? Two versions of the same game running side by side?
@niki75
11 ай бұрын
Interest for the more recent expansions will begin to dwindle. I dont think anyone is clamoring for a WoD classic or BFA Classic... Cataclysm is prroobably gonna be the last one. *Maybe* Mists... But I believe that when I see it
@MikaelLV
11 ай бұрын
@@niki75 I honestly think Cataclysm itself is not as likely to be re-released as people think. It's mostly been in the conversation because youtubers like Wille are farming for content.
@niki75
11 ай бұрын
@@MikaelLV Blizz deffo has plans to go beyond Wrath. The sheer amount of surveys and such they're had for the future of Wrarh classic to me is enough to signal that much
@Elearen
11 ай бұрын
Google old school rune scape
@niki75
11 ай бұрын
@@Elearen OSRS and RS3 are two fundamentally different versions of the same game. Hell thanks to Evolution of Combat they even play differently. As different as Classic and Retail are the core gameplay is still the same on both versions
@starsareangels7
11 ай бұрын
I want tbc fresh lol let the era characters get copied over again id rather just keep the rotation while waiting for classic + content. Why get rid of the old stuff just have a server for every expansion
@Shiirow
11 ай бұрын
that would probably be the better option, have a few era servers for every version of wow. a lot of the classic era servers are covered in dust.
@starsareangels7
11 ай бұрын
@@ShiirowI'd Play an European bc server if it was an option or just pay another 50 for a server spot lol really I just want to do things the legal route as that's the only option for me and my consciounce what I mean is I'm eastern time US but i would deal with some lag to play the versikn i want it can't be just a server cost issue right? Idk we could do demand votes in the community
@terrodar19
11 ай бұрын
Classic + is inevitable. People are completely done with retail…. Two things will happen: 1) ‘wow 2.0’ as in a merger between retail and classic in a weird ‘reboot’ extra expansion kind of thing (taking the game back to MUCH simpler gameplay) 2) a true classic + type of thing
@Blubking1
11 ай бұрын
Bro thats hard cope
@st1gzy
11 ай бұрын
This is what in thinking as well. I feel like they’re going to come out of left field and make a time / chromie / bronze dragon flight themed expansion that blends all versions together somehow. Splitting the playerbase up this much is bad business design as well. If they don’t do that they’ll put retail in maintenance mode and reinvigorate the franchise through classic +
@Blubking1
11 ай бұрын
@@st1gzy Thats even more cope
@Shiftlinkage101
11 ай бұрын
The "people are completely done with retail" makes me laugh every time I read it. They have certainly lost a shit load of subs compared to YEARS ago, but just from a couple minutes in the stream of someone that, oddly enough still plays retail, there are plenty of people that play daily. There are many people in retail that are simply collectors, or auction house players/providers. "Pro" players still sell carries in PvE, and PvP weekly. BG que times are decent, arena(shuffle) queues are relatively fast depending on what rating you are. I'm not sure what will truly kill retail, but it's certainly a ways off. People like you feel like retail is dead because they don't have 50 servers that are maxed out, and 8-10 million active subs. It doesn't take that many people to play the damn game. If that were true, Classic would be completely dead. The entirety of classic wrath as of just a few days ago is 20,124 players. Sure that's probably off by, lets say a couple thousand to be fair. Retail has 30x times that if not more. Btw, I don't play either currently.
@badass6300
11 ай бұрын
I've said it many times if WotLK is Classic so is Cata, which means that if people don't like Cata, they shouldn't like WotLK. Why? Cata is WotLK+, it literally polished everything in WotLK. The class design peaked in Cata all the way until SL and DF. The dungeon and raid design and complexity reached new heights at the time in Cata, which was a goal that WotLK didn't have time to achieve, even though Ulduar and ICC were more complex than anything before them. The PVP also peaked in Cata. Then we also got much better leveling in both 1-60 and 80-85, the best at the time and the last time we got non-endgame leveling content. Cata polished the tabard rep system, the badges turned into justice/valor which was better, along with the raid group sizes and difficulties being equated was great, more glyphs, better gems. The talents were finally great, but I do think they missed their chance to level squish down to 60, but I guess it wasn't seen as a problem back then. Cata also had endgame open world content in the form of the motlen front. Itemization was finally done perfectly. And then there were many great additions like reforging, void storage and for those who like to devalue armor transmog. Whatever WotLK did Cata did much better, except it didn't have a raid tier in 4.1 and LFR was a poor replacement for 10 man Normal Raid in WotLK(easy raid difficulty).
@Kamidake83
11 ай бұрын
I really want to see classic +. Cata wasn’t a bad expansion, but it was undeniably the start of the decline. To be fair anything trying to come in behind wrath was going to suffer. Truthfully what I want to know is the changes to Cata in retail going to be in Cata classic.
@lazerrhino
10 ай бұрын
IMO MOP was better than CAT, but then shit really goes down hill after MOP.
@tlevesbranch3744
11 ай бұрын
Hoping the crowd chants classic+ for the boys back home
@Zel-nv5he
11 ай бұрын
These outro with Wrath music make me so f-ing nostalgic, damn!
@litterbox2010
11 ай бұрын
Classic is perfect to me, but for one thing. I don't see why we can't improve player models/customisation/transmogs and stuff. This is stuff that was a technical limitation at the time and no longer is. Why not just make it look good and allow us to change clothes? That's all. That's literally the only change.
@SirBenthr
11 ай бұрын
You failed to mention the most important change to Wrath and the reason I can't get myself to play it: WoW token...
@jacobking962
11 ай бұрын
I just want them to phase the map. “Classic” at least 50% refers to the original map. They should introduce “prepare for deathwing” quests that have you complete a dozen or so of the og vanilla quests, and when you turn in the “prepare” quest, you see deathwing enter the zone and change it. Then you can level the new zone
@druidlololol
11 ай бұрын
Classic era foreverrrrr
@dennisberg2474
11 ай бұрын
I enjoy both, having lfd back is nice. Being a first shifter on the east coast and trying to find an early raid group is a challenge.
@hecticmojo4532
11 ай бұрын
I’m really glad that they decided to keep vanilla classic. It’s nice knowing that old Azeroth is there to visit. I do think that they should keep WotLK era servers. Warmane attests to how timeless WotLK is
@haytham7035
11 ай бұрын
I'm all for senseful QoL-improvements but I'm also deeply convinced, that excessive automatism like the DungeonBrowser, account-bound semi-boost items for your twinks & account-bound achievements etc. being recently introduced in Wotlk paved the way for today's WoW retail, which is wideley known as a soulless game...and might be one of the main reason why so many veterans moved to Classic 2019 in the first place. Especially with regard to the DungeonBrowser: Communication has always made a significant contribution to a better ambience. But now due to recent changes apathy is already becoming apparent e.g. people not greeting each other, & do whatever they want to etc. Again Blizz messed it up, again RPG is heading towards the abyss.
@alihorda
11 ай бұрын
I play both retail and classic era and I noticed this is more a player problem. there are rude or uninterested people in any version of the game. personally I'd like some QoL changes for classic while keeping its charm (I. e achievements or toy tabs). we don't have dungeon finder but people just spam trade chat for LFM messages which is annoying
@saschaaah
11 ай бұрын
I have never seen people do more dungeons in wrath since release now that we got RDF. And before RDF i just messaged a guy spaming LFG moved to the dungeon, said gg at the end. The only diff is, i find a lot more dungeons now with RDF in. I think A VERY BIG MAJORITY wanted and appreciates RDF. When they first announced no RDF i was actually supporting that decision, having RDF in now just showed me how fricking wrong i was
@Indignation92
11 ай бұрын
No Flame, but was is the essential message of the video?
@Shiirow
11 ай бұрын
to muse meanderingly
@Pausenmacher
11 ай бұрын
I hope they Re-do this Cycle of Classic - TBC - Wrath. Big Money Maker with little Effort.
@parttimehero8640
9 ай бұрын
Yeah there so many people saying that Cata killed wow they forget that a lot of things started happening in Wrath.
@RandomGamerCory
11 ай бұрын
it did not change more than anyone thought the devs made changes themselves that drove people back to actual private classic wrath/tbc/vanilla servers people wanted classic, not the modern devs idea of what classic should be
@TheWarriorscat
11 ай бұрын
As someone who’s memories of wow start at the end of wrath, and who always wanted to kill the “big dragon” (I now know is named Dearhwing) that I watched my dad do many times, I’m mainly looking forward to cata to do the things younger me couldn’t. Lots of the friends I’ve made have stated that they’re quitting after Wrath so I’m not sure if I would have continued on otherwise
@Vhite
11 ай бұрын
While WotLK is often seen as the pinnacle of Classic WoW, these recent years have made me realize that it feels a lot closer to Cataclysm than to Vanilla and TBC. I still very much enjoy it, though I can already feel the change in priorities. Vanilla WoW was basically a vary naive project to simply create a fun RPG world, with many of the standard meta notions such as balance or quality of life not being too high on the priority list. TBC was more of the same, just with the biggest issues (and perhaps also the biggest accomplishments) stemming from this ignorance/innocence being fixed, but in WotLK there has clearly been a conscious shift in moving these notions and metrics to the top priority. That shift I feel is the biggest difference between Classic and Retail WoW.
@TheButton0
11 ай бұрын
Personally, I love both. But I find myself playing Wrath a bit more and enjoying it for the reasons mentioned in the video. I feel like Wrath is in a good spot in terms of QoL, features, etc. But I do enjoy some vanilla as well :)
@badfredable
11 ай бұрын
Peronsaly i have been enjoying era a lot since summer, the feeling of starting fresh, the feeling of trying a new class, progressing trough the raid tiers at a new formed guilds own pace, experiencing the raids and bosses that i didnt get to do before tbc hit. But i will say after roughly 6 months of it i am starting to feel the crushing weight of farming for consumes every week, especially with the bot economy spiraling up again. On the other hand my guild since classsic have started raiding wrath again, and its fun to do these raids which i also havent done before. The inclusion of the gamma dungeon mechanic has made it possible to get 25 man loot which previously was considered unobtainable cause we only really do 10man raiding. The nature of how we get tier in ICC has given people a reason to log in again, and personally i have finally gathered the strength to actually level some of the level 70 alt army.
@Boneheaded0
11 ай бұрын
Decided to reroll on world and level a rogue and it’s so fun right now
@LifeForAiur
5 ай бұрын
It is my dream that Blizzard implements classic + (not seasonal things like SoD) but expands on Vanilla such as with horizontal progression and class balance. The new content doesn't have to always be endgame stuff. People love releveling in classic, so that new content wouldn't even be "wasted." In a lot of ways, Classic + is what Old School Runescape already is. Just wish blizzard continued to develop classic.
@aggierev
11 ай бұрын
If Cata Classic drops the talent tree change, I'll probably play it. But if they keep the change, wrath will be my game.
@nathanbrady8529
11 ай бұрын
Cata was when they lost me because of the talent trees. In WotLK, I ran a holy/disc hybrid for pvp. I was furious when I lost him.
@andromidius
11 ай бұрын
@calvinhobbes5524 Mostly. They are condensed a bit and you're locked into one spec until you unlock the final ability. Which does ruin some hybrid specs - but vastly improves a lot of others. And those hybrid specs were gimmicky most of the time - there's a reason nearly no-one uses them currently. Last 'good' hybrid spec in Classic was back in Vanilla with the FuryProt warrior (yeah, Revenge spec was decent in Wrath too early on - but again, mostly a gimmick that quickly faded when content started getting harder)..
@jt5765
11 ай бұрын
It pissed me off big time when they locked readiness out for BM hunters so we couldn't extend beast within. Pretty much the only time we have ever been a viable PvP build. Didn't even last a season from what I remember.
@punishedsneed
11 ай бұрын
I think the changes made in Wrath have overall been more positive than negative. The titan runes are excellent, for one. I just want more variety overall. Vanilla shills are annoying though. They make the same tired arguments about muh journey. I like Vanilla, but it's all so tiresome to hear them shill for Vanilla. You don't want Vanilla, you want the feeling of your youth back when you could play WoW all day with no responsibilities.
@nielsfrederiksen6636
11 ай бұрын
Personally, I wanted a game with no RMT and no parsing. You know, how it was back then. The community doesnt allow that anymore tho.
@nickloos3202
11 ай бұрын
@@nielsfrederiksen6636Exactly!
@Shiirow
11 ай бұрын
I feel like the titan runes are a better version of mythic+ without the ridiculous item level bloat and silly timer.
@theoutlander1411
11 ай бұрын
True. There's nothing inherently special about Vanilla, it's just that the Vanilla fans as a whole have a healthier relationship to the game than WOTLK and beyond players it seems. If WOTLKC had the same type of playerbase as Vanilla fanboys it would be twice as better if not moreso than it is today.
@HallyVee
11 ай бұрын
Yep, that definitely explains it. *loads era again*
@theoutlander1411
11 ай бұрын
I want TBC. Whether that be SoM or just TBC era. I know that may be a minority opinion but I think it's better than both Vanilla and WOTLK for different reasons but generally because the end game for both is boring compared to TBC. WOTLK is the expansion of the raid logger, Vanilla is the game of the tedious gear grind, world buff collecting and organization hell just to tank and spank bosses. TBC had attunement grinds for sure, but I actually don't mind it and the raids are more interesting while gearing is fairly straightforward. There's also a ton of things to do in TBC rep wise if you're bored to the point I'm constantly returning to Outland in WOTLK to maybe grind for a tabard or the netherwing mounts whereas nothing like that exists in WOTLK or Vanilla.
@starsareangels7
11 ай бұрын
I'm with you man I'd gladly pay for tbc again I don't care let the rotation continue let us copy over era characters it would bring new players to era while waiting
@bisalissy3846
11 ай бұрын
TBC SoM sounds really fun. I wish I could play Seal Twist again ^^
@mendibeer
11 ай бұрын
Am i the only one that just wants classic + to be TBC-like in features? attunements in the old world, Heroic dungeons, more balanced classes?
@BuzzzdLightyear
11 ай бұрын
I think it would be very cool to see Blizz do Classic+. Just like OSRS, I would like to see Classic be its own entirely separate development of WoW. The problem with Classic+ is deciding where to start. I think there's a big case for Vanilla+, but that would still likely feel like a big step back from TBC and Wrath and the improvement that those games made to the game. Keep in mind, Im not talking about Wrath Classic and all of the things that Blizz butchered this time around, but the original developments from 2008. Class and Talent improvements, core gameplay mechanics and systems, dungeons and raids, etc. It's more likely we just get Cata Classic, which I'm also ok with as I really liked the game and think the hate for it is overblown. Who knows what new ownership of the company will bring. They're already getting rid of Bobby Kotick, which was kind of a surprise but remains to be seen if they actually give a shit about the game or just want one of their own moneymakers in charge.
@lelouche25
Ай бұрын
Server wipes would be the next best way to keep classic going.
@spooky_zen
11 ай бұрын
Isles of conquest needed special venders like wintergrasp
@polygondon
11 ай бұрын
If you're enjoying ICC, that doesn't mean you'll like Bastion of Twilight or BWD. Those raids are brutal. They are "stack 11 feral druids in your 25m" brutal, in terms of how they were on launch for Nefarion.
@OrchinX
11 ай бұрын
This is why I think cata truly lost so many players. That level of difficult across the board from normal raids to heroic dungeons was just not accessible for most.
@Zyotomir
11 ай бұрын
@@OrchinX More difficult doesn't necessarily mean more fun.
@chipchippahson
11 ай бұрын
Lol no they weren't.
@chipchippahson
11 ай бұрын
Nah people were just whiny and BAD. Which of course they immediately hotfixed everything within weeks so that had nothing to do with anything.
@Zel-nv5he
11 ай бұрын
@@chipchippahson And people are still as bad.
@elephantshelf3617
11 ай бұрын
Never got to play WoW back then because of the subscription. So I’m now experiencing the game for the first time. I’ve leveled a character to 30 in classic and 15 in wrath and have to say that classic is much more enjoyable as a first time player. Each zone is packed full of people and the hardcore mode makes the game more engaging.
@Shiftlinkage101
11 ай бұрын
Well there are a couple of reasons for that. You've "missed" the Wrath crowd (aside from random alts) by about 4 years considering you're only lvl 15 (classic re-released 4 years ago) and the reason the HC zones are constantly packed is because a huge majority of the players never even see lvl 30. Last time I heard the avg player death for Vanilla HC was like lvl 13. Those people are doing that over and over daily.
@Ncella91
11 ай бұрын
Vanilla definitely has a better "world" experience. Wotlk is better in just about every other way though. Wotlk systems in a reimagined Vanilla could be interesting.
@tainicon4639
11 ай бұрын
Yeah, wrath class viability with classic… classic-ness
@MoonTurky
11 ай бұрын
Imagine being a developer and having like 25 versions of your game that people want to combine in their own personal preferences or else they wont play
@Prawnsly
11 ай бұрын
@MoonTurky imagine literally any designer having to iterate and combine the benefits of previous incarnations of a product into the future...... that's literally what it is.
@Shitockiful
11 ай бұрын
Introducing 2011 private servers into your life
@Shitockiful
11 ай бұрын
@@Prawnslyyou and the dude you replied to are the reason nobody gets along on the internet, stupid vs. stupid lmfao
@travisolexa3074
11 ай бұрын
Give classic+ or a new expansion line that doesn't go into Cata. If we have to have cata, make it so you can swap into the old world and not force us into the changed world for the 1-60 experience.
@Blubking1
11 ай бұрын
Except no sane person would swap to the old world unless blizzard does some serious quest balancing which i hardly doubt
@slushg3326
11 ай бұрын
@@Blubking1agreed.
@theformuoli6397
11 ай бұрын
The TLDR is that vanilla is definitely much more relaxing and enjoyable to play in leisure. Endgame wise, playing these eras are fun because you just min max absolutely everything and see how hard you can destroy a boss or exploit a resource. - at least that’s my pov as someone whose played since 05, and on retail as well as private servers since 2014. Stopped retail in BFA and never looked back
@OffBeatTupelo
10 ай бұрын
I was there the first time the Alliance raided Brill on my server back in the day. I hope they still do that but I am guessing not. Gonna play again anyway. Thanks for the info \m/ \m/
@DRourk
11 ай бұрын
'Body Types', the WoW Token, and RDF = /gamequit Back to Classic Vanilla and BC if we get it again.
@starsareangels7
11 ай бұрын
Lol right world of wokecraft my buddy mentioned it might be the whatever it's called ES something or other having to so with social credit score basically you cave to woke mindset so that you get funded otherwise they try to bankrupt the company. If enough people said no it would end.
@HallyVee
11 ай бұрын
"Bold move, transphobia, let's see how it works for him."
@Drakkross
11 ай бұрын
@@HallyVee Are you gonna shit and piss yourself over the fact that most people are not part of your little cult?
@MoonTurky
11 ай бұрын
@@DrakkrossTbh its just Gamerz(TM) that are in a rebellion cult lmao. Its like a bunch of 13 year olds rebelling vs christianity 30 years ago
@henriklovold
11 ай бұрын
I play classic WotLK, but I am tempted to go back to Era to be honest. I love vanilla more than anything that came after. What I really hope for are fresh vanilla servers with the progression anno 2019. I would definitely play that.
@Cozmoz79
11 ай бұрын
Personally lvl 70 is wrong (from that C+ "leak") in a lvl 1-60 vanilla Azeroth and do NOT add flying to it. What can be done is maybe some class tweaks so it's not gonna be warriors and rogues reigns supreme. Boomkins some mana reg, same for shadow priests etc without going too crazy with the changes. Things like that. Just don't blindly trust them. Remember what they said during blizzcon announcing classic "we want to reproduce the authentic game as it were then" bs and look what we got for Classic version: Level boost, able to make 55 DK on a fresh account and above all, f-ing wow token! I'll stay sceptical optimist at best. Ohh and ofc good video. Over 82k views under 2 weeks. Well done and gratz! 1) I will play "Classic+" if they do it right. But if they are even thinking of adding level boost and especially wow token, HARD pass! Maybe that's why they charge 50 bucks, hence no token? 2) For the love of God if they add High Elves (BEs) please update the bow animation to newer one. Was a big welcomed change later on. Old animation is aweful. A simple toggle would work. 3) Scarlet Monastery raid. Considering how popular SM dungeons have always been. Fill the empty and unfinished areas with content. Many places on the world map to add more. 4) If they will add housing which was a plan for Vanilla back in the days, don't make it like in WoD. Last thing we need is "empty" servers where people sit in their houses and "farm/craft" all day. I was one of those players who quit WoW Classic Wrath when they added the token. Also spread the word that this years Blizzcon will be FREE to stream and that has been confirmed. Lastly, it won't be that long until Classic bypasses Retail's numbers (unless they keep f-ing it up with the monetization like wow token etc, has NO place in classic/vanilla!).
@azjeep26
11 ай бұрын
PLAYED WOW so long my memories of the people that I once played with are fading away. many i cant even remembers their names... Soon will i forget my own......
@benny7555
10 ай бұрын
Have to defend tbc a bit here - mainly in that a lot of what took away the world in tbc was down to us progressing from classic rather than having fresh realms. The early game economy which then affects farming, dungeon runs, world pvp and how many people even have a flying mount was all destroyed by everyone having potentially tens of thousands of gold from classic. As for class design, i know to you its an awkward inbetween but to me its a perfect inbetween. Could use a few small tweaks but i think its great. You actually venture into kalimdor and EK for raids/dungeons at least in kara, CoT and ZA unlike wotlk where you just dont besides ony i guess. Preference thing though, admittedly.
@M4Production
11 ай бұрын
Classic is a 10/10 adventure, wrath is raid logging, then raid logging, oh you can go out in the open world and find a bunch of stuff that you cant use at your level sure. Or a mount to log out on.
@Soulsnatcher89
11 ай бұрын
Something people tend to forget is WoW has eras, and each era continuously evolves. Even if we look at their original releases, people like to say Cata is retail when it's so far from the truth it's a lie to say so. 1) Vanilla-WotLK were a single era, expanding on top of itself and making more things useable as time goes on (Frost mage in Cata comes to mind) 2) Cata-WoD began an inclusive playstyle to bring viability to all specs in one form or another rather than being supplemental though the MoP talent system was a disappointment 3) Legion-SL was most notably the borrowed power era where the game became unrecognizable initially but the new norm, though not widely accepted for its problems. They were mostly accepted in Legion because we didn't 100% know at the time this would be the new norm. 4) Dragonflight begins the new era of WoW where we see a mix of old and new, a step back from the cosmic the series has been going towards, focusing on things happening on Azeroth and the people in it. The game restructured itself to play like the WoW we've most recently known, and have the systems of past return in full force. The expansive, detailed and very customizable talent tree that lets you build you the way you want, just like it used to be And I say this with how many people fail to realize, modern WoW is an evolving thing and no single point in time. WotLK wasn't what began modern WoW, neither was Cata, nor MoP or any other expansion, they simple evolved the series where the 3rd era was the least favorable with horrid storytelling, cosmic storytelling that felt out of place, characters poorly written and borrowed power creating systems and new abilities that would not return. Sure SOME borrowed powers stuck around but others are stuck back in their time.
@zedorian6547
11 ай бұрын
This is a long post that the majority of people will conveniently ignore in favor of what they have convinced themselves that they want.
@Soulsnatcher89
11 ай бұрын
@@zedorian6547 sad but true, unfortunately there's no easy way to describe it without shorthanding it and causing misunderstandings and arguments
@Blubking1
11 ай бұрын
I respect you essay tho. But yea all the sweaty dads will ignore this and say Cata bad
@xaviercharles9616
11 ай бұрын
lemme correct you : 2) Wotlk-WoD began an inclusive playstyle to bring viability to all specs in one form or another rather than being supplemental though the MoP talent system was a disappointment
@Soulsnatcher89
11 ай бұрын
@xaviercharles9616 I'd agree except some specs aren't good in wotlk in raids, like arms and frost mage, they were always good at pvp but cata pushed everything into pve viable finally
@itsnobbie1212
11 ай бұрын
It would also be conceivable that the developers implement “Chromie Time” in the WoW Classic trilogy. Once you have reached level 60, visit Chromie and choose either TBC or "Classic+" as an alternative timeline until level 70. Once you have reached 70, you continue playing WotLK as usual. Cataclysm Classic could then also be released.
@akxdev
11 ай бұрын
Personally, I'd prefer it if Classic+ diverged from the typical "expansion" model and instead looked more like OSRS. (e.g. new professions? new raid? new boss for an existing raid? new battlegrounds? arenas?)
@hoffyc.h393
11 ай бұрын
I think real WoW nowdays is Classic 60 and Wrath, Retail isn't WoW anymore, so Blizzard should Delete Retail any focus and expand on the Classics.
@Shiftlinkage101
11 ай бұрын
I have no dog in the race because I have been doing without any of them, but they'll never just "erase" retail. If anything they should focus on the best ideas from the most players having those ideas for retail, and fix that version while catering to the old heads that want these lesser versions in the meantime.
@mohamamdziaei5920
11 ай бұрын
I never played vanilla in its time just played it when i started playing wow in 2021 i think when tbc was out just for leveling fast... i would love to play fresh vanilla where everyone is starting to play it from the beginning but my problem with vanilla and wow overall is that in the day one almost everyone knows what to do and where to go... like as they start even the fresh server its not new player friendly... everyone focus on doing it the fastest way and you feel kinda alone... i really hope to play a fully new wow with new zones where no one knows exactly where to go and new mechanics etc... I know that its kinda like a fully new game but I mean I think it will be best chance for new players who dont want to rush and want to just focus on exploring and finding new things...
@Lunethzero
11 ай бұрын
While I enjoyed my time in Cata back in the day I'm not so sure the classic audience is looking for that.
@Blubking1
11 ай бұрын
Don’t worry, the Classic audience doesnt even know what they want
@xaviercharles9616
11 ай бұрын
well, that's kind of the point of this video, right, the "classic audience" is not really a uniform entity of players(if it ever was). Those who enjoy the true classic experience will enjoy classic fresh, hc, or classic+ more, and those who enjoy wrath right now with its more challenging content, diverse systems and more well rounded class balance and rotations will enjoy Cataclysm as it's pretty much the continuation, dare i say improvement, of what was started in wrath.
@saschaaah
11 ай бұрын
Theres many of us that want fresh and there is many of us (like me) that started in 2019 classic and dont want to go back to easy raiding. Tldr i want cata 100%. But there is both for sure, and id be shocked if they dont do both after wotlk
@gabewhite6943
11 ай бұрын
I think it’d be interesting if blizz would make cata into an 80-100 journey this time around. Keep vanilla in the game, don’t change talents, just have players come back to a cataclysmed world after they’re done with wrath, of course bring zoridormi around all the major cities just so you can go back and see. I would be completely fine just going back through every single expansion in order if blizz would work them into the game instead of just pasting content on top of the old.
@aksel9518
11 ай бұрын
the food ad fits every wow player lmao
@DurpeeSlurpee
4 ай бұрын
Seems to be a common misconception that people wanted vanilla because "nostalgia." Therefore, it makes sense to just re-release all the following expansions, including all the overhauls. But people don't just like vanilla for nostalgia, we like it because it's fun. The later expansions aren't. I never played WoW until classic released in 2019. I tried the retail version after getting addicted to classic and didn't find it fun. I quit when TBC came out and picked it back up when SoD came out.
I didnt know they were adding back in the LFD to wrath classic. I loved just doing a couple random heroics back in the day. And funnily enough when wrath classic released without it, it was enough to convince me to not resub. I may have to give it a go now with that and ICC being here just to have some fun with my downtime in wow again
@Windowsprodukt
11 ай бұрын
What I was looking forward to in Wrath was the pvp, but that part just wasn't fun this time around. Barely anyone seemed to play it for the sake of enjoying it.
@skylermccrary
11 ай бұрын
Great video and analysis. Totally agree with your observations.
@fredrick1176
11 ай бұрын
Wotlk with lfd enabled will always be the best version of the game to me. I don’t have a lot of time to play, so the qol features are amazing
@saschaaah
11 ай бұрын
I have started my classic journey in 2019, i loved vanilla for what it was the goofy activities we did outside of raidtimes and i challenged myself by getting all worldbuffs including wcb as alliance. And that was my main challenge, gathering and living as long as i can and pump in raids. The raids werent very exciting for me if i lost buffs because the content is way to easy for my likings. I still enjoyed vanilla ofc, tbc was slightly better raiding wise but it didnt make up for the lost world to me. It was still ok but wrath is my favourite so far. The raids are just way more to my likings and i couldnt personaly go back to a fresh because i love raiding with a bit of difficulty way more. Im looking forward to cata and some of my guildmates want fresh and some are on my side and want cata. Ultimately i think theres a world in which u can do both or just 1 of the two. Either way, fresh or + for some, cata and mop for the others. Many in my guild want to raid cata and have fresh or + on the side.
@lodrakk3114
11 ай бұрын
Classic
@tradingbroofficial
11 ай бұрын
Wrath had the best class design
@andromidius
11 ай бұрын
For some classes. For others it was mid. Cata really unleashed the potential of a few classes - Shaman and Druid especially.
@milktrain5567
11 ай бұрын
ICC is the end of classic era, and still among the greatest raids. Best story and great flow. It will be until SOO when raid gets close to the same level.
@Moneyman49442
11 ай бұрын
Leveling as a tank has been not so good, you can tell the people who come from retail who dont know how to control their aggro X_X
@tyrvintersol916
11 ай бұрын
WoW HC Classic teached me how far WoW evolved from its origin.... in a bad way.
@stuartirwin8628
11 ай бұрын
Wish there was a BC only server
@DG-rc8xf
11 ай бұрын
You THINK you don’t want Cataclysm Classic…but you DO!
@ryanguest5969
11 ай бұрын
I might be in the minority but i want Cata+. Add the cut abyssal depths raid. Change Tol Barad. Rejig leveling so you don't have to randomly go back to do tbc and wrath after level 58. There's a lot that can be done to make Cata a great experience.
@HoovaHee
11 ай бұрын
It's funny, back during Classic launch or TBC, people would laugh at you for thinking Classic Cata would be a thing. A vast majority were of the opinion that Wrath is the final destination. Now people are hyping Cata constantly.
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