Can't believe I actually got Double crit rolls With this let me know how it goes for you :) Guys Please Remember The Doc doesn't say 100% when I tested this it said 13% & 14% for the crit rolls so you can't expect to get Double crit rolls everytime when you only roll 1 substat each time. Links - Clock that I used : clock.zone/ Spreadsheet : docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Wixi5VK2EGO1oqbiFDkhRPCYjnhMTRrUPV3ZmynaAaI/edit?gid=413394713#gid=413394713 OG Video : kzitem.info/news/bejne/mmeEx6ZnfJxhaH4 you can join my discord and talk with me here ^^ discord.gg/aVxP9Ndzg7 Also please let me know if there is anything that I can improve with my channel or the video. Thanks for watching!! :D for this to work you should have correct timing what i mean by this is you have to the click on the 14.99 mark so it register on 15.00 this method didn't fail me got 10/10 with this you where doing it in between 15 and 16 mark if you see the original video you can notice this - IamtheonlyMark
@chrls5559
Ай бұрын
you actually need to consider the milliseconds too to get good roles, not only the min and secs (somebody didn't watch the whole original video, i'm looking at you)
@Krows.
Ай бұрын
@@chrls5559 2:59 (somebody didn't watch this video you just proved my point, i'm looking at you) :D
@chrls5559
Ай бұрын
@@Krows. okay fine you win
@Krows.
Ай бұрын
@@chrls5559 Ok you're a really great person if you actually admit it most people would just ignore my response or delete their comment. Thank you so much for being a good and honest person I'm being 100% fr keep on being Real it makes the world a better place :)
@BigBoiPnoy
Ай бұрын
Great job man. Milliseconds is just hard to do
@SalfhCantRage
Ай бұрын
WE GOT 10% DEF WITH THIS ONE 🗣🗣🗣
@Krows.
Ай бұрын
nah
@mistersimple7303
Ай бұрын
Uncle Yuanwu would be proud of you, comrade.
@lazoor_
Ай бұрын
i do computer science, let me explain. Wuthering waves is programmed with unreal engine, which uses the language C++. In c++ there is only one way u can do rng, and that is srand(time(NULL)) then rand() the integer, notice that it uses time(), that means the rng is seeded from time, real time. If my assumptions is correct, they couldve made it so that they modulo the number, then the result corresponds to the stats, for example, randomNumber % 10 = stats, it could be 7 = Crit Rate, 8 = energy regen, etc2. Maybe they havent improved their algorrithm to make it random enough, so theoritically, some could actually expoloit this on banner pulls too. Remember that there is no real random in programming. EDIT: Yep I was yappin too much. First as much as y'all disagree, there really is too little evidence for this experiment, small and biased sample size, and so many lapses. Even though I could be right on the whole random through time thing, there are latencies, randomization in randomization (layered randomization), and probably, this is a speculation, echo stat bias(CUZ HOW THE HELL DID ALL 50 OF MY BELL BOSS GET CRIT DAMAGE, ALL OF EM???). So yeah, we can only trust these datas with more participants, game is still too young
@Krows.
Ай бұрын
Thanks for explaining it with more data on the spreadsheet we will have an even bigger undstanding of this!
@Bangdikur
Ай бұрын
Thanks for the explanation
@socrates1796
Ай бұрын
I actually think that the rng seed is already set the moment the account is created and stay there forever, this explain how some account is so damn lucky like 100% of the time and the other never lucky at all My conclusion come from experience, I have multiple account and observe a lot of other acc in discord, its clear to me that only some acc is lucky as hell and only those account no matter when they tune, pull or do other things. So its not "time seed RNG" at all, its "planted/root seed rng"
@ShadoBoink
Ай бұрын
yup thats everything. you can also add randomNumber%10 +1 so instead of 0-9 it will be 1-10
@nishwithn
Ай бұрын
Bro please help me with pulll I am in sea server
@AbhayChand-zh1su
Ай бұрын
That unemployed friend at 3 am😂
@Krows.
Ай бұрын
bout to test 2000 Echoes 🔥🔥🔥
@psy__
Ай бұрын
It's a highly suspicious method without enough empirical evidence. There are not enough samples, and it could be the normal RNG for all we know. With so few tests, this is nothing but a hasty generalization.
@Krows.
Ай бұрын
Well the spreadsheet already has over 1000 tests and this number will probably get bigger as this method gets more known and more people share their data. If you look through the comments on my video and the og video then you will see that it actually works for those people too compared to their usual rolls. I'm not trying to force you to do anything if you don't want to try it then don't it's your account and your time :D I hope you have a nice rest of your day/night :)
@legionssb
Ай бұрын
You would be right, but time is an important detail with the code related to echo rng. It's not too wild when you remember that computer rng isn't truly ramdom.
@owl_uwu1297
Ай бұрын
Yeah I agree, 1000 tests is nothing close to conclusive.
@radicalthunder5740
Ай бұрын
Inconclusive big time
@emillic7976
Ай бұрын
@@Krows. they tested 200 people on the 7 minute marker in each region and they didnt test the other minutes, out of the 200 they got like 30 echoes with crit rate or sum, thats nowhere near enough proof
@smoltaengoo
Ай бұрын
if youre gonna level up echos it doesnt hurt to try this but dont expect that it would actually produce results just think of it as bonus luck i doubt they made the substat rng more complicated than it needed to be unless this research was conducted a few thousand times with thousands of people from all the servers dont expect too much if you dont wanna get disappointed
@Krows.
Ай бұрын
Yeah That's what I'm trying to say so far from what I've seen people don't watch the full video and think oh it's 100% crit roll every time when it legit said 13% and 14% for the crit rolls. I got 2 double Crit rolls and 4x 1 Crit roll keep in mind I didn't even roll the full 5 rolls but only 3. So out of 10 Echoes 6 rolled into Crit which gave me a 60% success rate which is higher then what it said in the doc (if I test 1000 Echoes then this number will get smaller). I also read the comments on the og video from the guy who found it and alot of people said that it worked for them and then tested it myself in this video and it worked for me too. Thank you for actually watching the video and giving good feedback I really appreciate it! :)
@Tissuestrash
Ай бұрын
@@Krows. how do you differentiate this from just rng tho lmao
@isStock
Ай бұрын
@@Tissuestrash Well it isn't. But that doesn't mean this won't help tip the scales in your favor if only a little.
@Tissuestrash
Ай бұрын
@@isStock idk just tried it on 10 echos and got 1 crit roll on 30 rolls ☠️
@crownedking_cj8890
Ай бұрын
@@Tissuestrashthink of it like soft pity🤷🏽♂️it’s there but not guaranteed
@gameplay_shorts
Ай бұрын
genius society! Is this method made by Aizen? Shikai: great RNG manipulation technique
@Krows.
Ай бұрын
frfr Aizen frfr manipulated the creation of Wuwa it was all according to his plan xD
@gameplay_shorts
Ай бұрын
@@Krows. lol
@aizencadeirante2809
Ай бұрын
This conversation, is all part of my plain 🍷
@jahir4959
Ай бұрын
You don't play Hsr?
@gameplay_shorts
Ай бұрын
@@jahir4959 no, I don't like turn based gameplay
@eadlyn-
Ай бұрын
This is actually really interesting! I'm about to try it with 5 echoes to see if it works
@eadlyn-
Ай бұрын
tested it multiple times and got a crit roll on 7/10 echoes, 2 had double crit. not bad honestly, much better than my usual rolls when i never get crit at all
@Krows.
Ай бұрын
@@eadlyn- Thanks for actually trying it and not going straight to the comments without even watching the entire video and being like nah this doesn't work and I won't even try it. Some people watch this and think oh I will get double crit stat 100% of the time even thought I said multiple times in the video that it's 13% and 14% for each crit rolls according to the spreadsheet at 7mins for the american server. I really appreciate it and Good luck with the rest of your rolls :D
@The_Sid_69
28 күн бұрын
@@Krows. How to setup the clock on the game screen?
@fruitchoco675
Ай бұрын
It worked, I got double def on most of my echoes
@misterrwiggle
Ай бұрын
Taoqi and Yuanwu eating good?😂
@Krows.
Ай бұрын
nahh are u fr???
@UJxstGotClipped-
Ай бұрын
So finishing this video , i realized ITS STILL JUST RNG 🤦🏽♂️ what a shocker 😂
@Krows.
Ай бұрын
So far most people who tried it said that they got better rolls then their usual rolls I mean the spreadsheet also says it's not 100% crit roll every time. And for me in the video it was also better then my usual rolls. @smoltaengoo said it perfectly : if youre gonna level up echos it doesnt hurt to try this but dont expect that it would actually produce results just think of it as bonus luck i doubt they made the substat rng more complicated than it needed to be unless this research was conducted a few thousand times with thousands of people from all the servers dont expect too much if you dont wanna get disappointed.
@deathraider3130
Ай бұрын
It is rng but just 26% more in your favour 😂
@radicalthunder5740
Ай бұрын
@@deathraider3130can't believe ppl buy into this tripe
@el2747
Ай бұрын
@@Krows. i think it depend on your sever time and your ping too, i try it at 30s get at least one crit roll each tune, and just got double crit 3 cost echos with this trick, also last time i do it with 5 echos random and none of them have crit. this ia true.
@SAIPHiIRE
Ай бұрын
gets a 9.3 crit rate piece and says: "only 1, bruh."
@ajcafe1890
Ай бұрын
just stumble it yesterday and ohh boy what a game changer to me. Back then i get rarely crit substats on my echoes but when i tried its almost a guaranteed crit every click. Still havent get dual crit but hey at least i could get one of them compare before. to bad that my account is already low on echo expi.
@Krows.
Ай бұрын
Yeah I can't believe this actually works like I would never think that this would be a thing haha. As for the echo xp There will be another double Echo event in a few weeks I'll make a video on it, you can turn on the post notifications if you don't want to miss out and Good luck with your rolls! :D
@natzzz3862
Ай бұрын
@@Krows. Tyyy
@Krows.
Ай бұрын
@@natzzz3862 Ty for watching and commenting I hope you get double crit stat on all of your Echoes :)))
@natzzz3862
Ай бұрын
@@Krows. Yeaah got motivated to farm because of you lol
@natzzz3862
Ай бұрын
@@Krows.Yeahh got motivated to farm because of you loll
@970404x
Ай бұрын
tried at X7 and X1, rolled only first line. only got 1 crit out of 8 echos
@Zerviscos
Ай бұрын
I want to point out to people, this may be a fun thing to try out but don't expect anything with this much. As much as I've already discussed it multiple times with people that, while PRNG is seed-based tied is at mostly tied with time, Kuro isn't dumb enough of a developer to have something this very predictable. Especially considering how high that factor is, like assumed 5% is already high enough for rolling a substat, but for some reason they got it well above that in a specific time range. At the most basic case here, they'd tied this down to nanos and not millis. In anycase, even if we have that information regarding some weak prng, you'd still have no way for actually making much use of it since you will lack the precision of actually pull it off. And that's just considering older or weaker algos, that's well harder for actual competent ones. Even if basing your chances on Unix time, there's most likely no recurring pattern per xN time when you convert to an integer nor even any way to confirm it entirely, that's assuming that they think that this entire thing is client-side while the server time generates the seed. However, that's not really the main gist from what I got here, considering we can't really say it's not the case since we don't know the actual code. The main issue is that, from what I've seen there's a probable large confirmation bias within that specific range of x7. Primarily because we do not have unlimited resources to actually do a proper controlled testing. This sample size is already small, from a playerbase that's probably less than 1%, and the confirmation bias towards x7 has to do with people just rolling more in the x7 zone due to the initial data findings. Basically speaking, unless we have an infinite amount of credits, tuners, and echoes, NO ONE is insane enough that is following this, to continually roll in other xN when THEY THINK x7 has the highest probable chance of rolling a CR/CD. In an ideal scenario, we would be wasting well over thousand~ten thousands tunings per hh:mm:ss:ms to test this just to see if there's a uniform distribution amongst a range, however, we just don't have that much resources to do so, nor people having the patience to do farm to do it. Instead, people with limited resources would just roll in a range they think they're most favorable at so a few thousand overall results is not good data data at all. This means, people are going in here and thinking "hey that actually looks like good statistical data", which really is gonna skew people's perceptions, and with that, we got poor understanding of statistics. If you are ever in here, take what you get from that table with a very very large grain of salt and not be too hopeful about it.
@liamcfl
Ай бұрын
thanks herta star rail, very cool
@Krows.
Ай бұрын
what xD
@liamcfl
Ай бұрын
@@Krows. what xD
@reptoslicer24
Ай бұрын
Hertha is from the genius society in HSR@@Krows.
@zeromailss
Ай бұрын
I hope this is true but i think the data is small enough that we cannot be sure yet I will return in a week or two after we got a lot more data as the method is getting more popular
@darkcastle85
Ай бұрын
Nah fam aint about to get my hopes up over this
@Krows.
Ай бұрын
@smoltaengoo said it perfectly : if youre gonna level up echos it doesnt hurt to try this but dont expect that it would actually produce results just think of it as bonus luck i doubt they made the substat rng more complicated than it needed to be unless this research was conducted a few thousand times with thousands of people from all the servers dont expect too much if you dont wanna get disappointed
@shaadow3242
Ай бұрын
ahh yes, classic case of confirmation bias, you love to see it
@owl_uwu1297
Ай бұрын
Yeah that's what I'm thinkin. Especially with only 1000 **unverified** tests backing this.
@Fe-lq7wn
Ай бұрын
Lmao yea so true, thinking 1000 samples are enough to make a conclusion... even prng requires at least x1000 more samples to be able to simulate how the true chances are.
@Fe-lq7wn
Ай бұрын
Not to mention that crit stats seem to appear more often no matter the minute time. That just makes it more likely to be a confirmation bias due to them appearing more often
@frankjr.3916
Ай бұрын
Will try this right now, trust you'll be the first to know from me if it doesn't work
@Krows.
Ай бұрын
Good luck!! it's not 100% but I got a few Double crit rolls by doing it I hope you do so too :)
@Reshy00
Ай бұрын
Did it work?
@Worm_g8
Ай бұрын
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@AMofTevyat
Ай бұрын
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@memepotater9503
Ай бұрын
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@arthurpiva7743
Ай бұрын
Again with this bullshit? So every new gacha people will do "undisclosured amounts of huge tries" and pretend that the random chance of getting less random rolls on random attributes are "consistent" to the exact hour and minute of the roll... I don't know who is more naive, the people that actually believes on this every single time, or the "content creator" that believes that people will fall out to this and give views... or even worse, if this guys is naive enough to actually believe that there is "order in caos" and his spreadsheet is a masterpiece that will save everyone's account ¬¬
@infrnlmssh9719
Ай бұрын
When you are trying to get *one* roll out of a *three* pull from *thirteen* possibilities you get around ~26% chance. Which is exactly what the "echomancy" gets. It has nothing to do with time. If RNG is tied to time. I doubt they are dumb enough to leave it to the minute instead of the frame, anyways.
@TKZ100
Ай бұрын
The evidence for this seems suspect at best, and my own tests with a small sample size have yielded 0 CR or CD out of 20 rolls in time frames they've recommended. It's almost uncanny how much worse my luck has been with this method
@XynRemained
Ай бұрын
why minute? cuz recalculating seed at every frame isn't really resource-economically efficient per minute isn't really that weird esp if they use more than one seed
@danielestrada3390
Ай бұрын
The game was laggy as it was already, imagine them recalculating every frame...
@infrnlmssh9719
Ай бұрын
@@XynRemained _"Why every minute? Cuz it is very tiring for the man calling the Bingo to spin the cage constantly. It's not efficient. That's why we have him spin it once per minute"_ Or, conversely, you could just spin it whenever you actually make a pull. If you are smart enough to know that you are smart enough that nothing gets pseudo randomized that inefficiently either. You also don't need to calculate a seed every time or at all. Since the relics don't have to come pre-randomized they can just roll for a number right there and then and save it to the server. Any operation in a program is already refreshed (when needed) by the tick-rate. Which is, at the very minimum, equal or greater than the framerate. That gives us at least 3600 different results per minute. Also, this only needs to be calculated when rolling artifacts by using the seed + the current number of the tick/frame as extra pseudo randomizer. But my point is that randomizing either by the frame or the minute is dumb and inefficient. But someone says that's how Unreal works so I don't have a reason to argue that.
@bathsaltshero
14 күн бұрын
'gamers will optimise fun out of any game'
@danielebuffa721
Ай бұрын
Leave a comment below !
@Krows.
Ай бұрын
Leave a comment below !
@dragetgame6422
Ай бұрын
Surprisingly i got Crit rate and dmg on my first try, still skeptical about this method but I'll be using this further just to make the most out of my resources even if it's not really real
@arthurcruz6887
Ай бұрын
I think it's account abound somehow bcuz it's working amazing for me but I see it's not the same for everyone.
@swaglover69420
Күн бұрын
nah i think this is a stretch, imma just tune them immediately still 💀
@rizza1106
Ай бұрын
The MASSIVE LEVIATHAN SIZE COPIUM TECH😂
@rizza1106
Ай бұрын
To be fair, some does roll to xr/cd but other substat are matter Imagine u get cr and cd but the rest is flat HP def and def.. its will be another fodder material
@Krows.
Ай бұрын
@@rizza1106 I mean according to the spreadsheet each time has a higher chance of getting each roll so after you get your crit rolls you can try rolling for another substat at the given time on the spreadsheet :)
@rizza1106
Ай бұрын
@@Krows. Yea need more test xD
@jhunvictorronleidicen608
7 күн бұрын
So theres this thing where players get the same exact mainstats and substats in the same echo they have theres this guy i saw where he posted his jue with CD and some decent substats and some guy commented showing that hes got the same exact echo sometimes my echos have the same exact stats but different echos and i find it really weird idk if its just me or if yall experienced it too
@SkyBIuu
Ай бұрын
at the end of the day it always ends in your luck...
@Krows.
Ай бұрын
Yep luck still plays a factor, @smoltaengoo said it perfectly : if you're gonna level up echos it doesn't hurt to try this but don't expect that it would actually produce results just think of it as bonus luck i doubt they made the substat rng more complicated than it needed to be unless this research was conducted a few thousand times with thousands of people from all the servers dont expect too much if you dont wanna get disappointed.
@irisumakina6054
Ай бұрын
When are they going to predict the minute when we can get legendary gacha pulls? :>
@iramosOF
Ай бұрын
I DID IT RIGHT NOW AND I GOT 19.8% crit dmg and 10.5% crit rate in a single echoe, that was the first time that i got it that high
@Krows.
Ай бұрын
Ayyy Congrats I'm happy for you and glad it worked!!! ;)) I hope you get those good rolls on all of your Echoes :D
@Omega_0804
Ай бұрын
Excuse me mind sharing some of your luck ?
@iramosOF
Ай бұрын
@@Omega_0804 i would If i could :(
@radicalthunder5740
Ай бұрын
Key word is luck, aka rng. It's got nothing to do with the bs sham
@abcdoooabcd
29 күн бұрын
if you want crit roll on minute 57 in each hour
@alexanderriku9716
Ай бұрын
Nahhh I'll just trust in my RNG 😂
@Krows.
Ай бұрын
bro said nah I'd win 🤣 Good luck with your rolls :D
@BigBoiPnoy
Ай бұрын
Oh hi. Thanks for the video on us man.
@Krows.
Ай бұрын
Omg dude Tysm for sharing this Method I can't believe how well it works! you're the best and thanks for updating the spreadsheet I can't imagine how long it takes to maintain it. Thank you for taking so much time out of your day and helping the community :)
@BigBoiPnoy
Ай бұрын
@@Krows. it’s what I like doing. The whole discord is dedicated to helping players with rng.
@ultimate1450
Ай бұрын
bro didnt even pin him
@BigBoiPnoy
Ай бұрын
@@ultimate1450 its fine. the key was to help other players overall. so its all good.
@AzuraProductions
Ай бұрын
Yea I tried this 6 times and got HP/DEF every single time. lol
@user-lp6fw4gh5v
Ай бұрын
I hope noone takes this seriously haha
@Krows.
Ай бұрын
Why? This has been tested over 1000 times and the spreadsheet also gets updated with more data from the players :)
@Fe-lq7wn
Ай бұрын
1000 out of millions to hundred millions of players? @@Krows.
@kouani1995
Ай бұрын
here after getting 3 HP on the row 😂
@impakt0
Ай бұрын
I think some MMOs have similar RNG mechanics like this back then like your RNG is based on time, like Dragon nest
@Krows.
Ай бұрын
Yeah but most people won't even watch the whole video or try it but go straight to the comments and be all like it doesn't work and I don't want to try it! xd
@cactuscactus9450
Ай бұрын
WHATTT??? Bro it worked for meeeee…. Thank youuuu
@Krows.
Ай бұрын
Thanks for actaully trying it and then saying whether it works or not so far from what I've seen people don't watch the full video and think oh it's 100% crit roll every time when it legit said 13% and 14% for the crit rolls. I got 2 double Crit rolls and 4x 1 Crit roll keep in mind I didn't even roll the full 5 rolls but only 3. So out of 10 Echoes 6 rolled into Crit which gave me a 60% success rate which is higher then what it said in the doc (if I test 1000 Echoes then this number will get smaller). I also read the comments on the og video from the guy who found it and alot of people said that it worked for them and then tested it myself in this video and it worked for me too. Thank you for actually watching the video and giving good feedback I really appreciate it! :)
@kyaria9975
Ай бұрын
It somehow makes sense but I think it needs more samples, someone got good sub stats by using this method could be just pure luck.
@erlindaedquila329
29 күн бұрын
My luck is already good in wuthering waves using this trick make it better
@DaddyJoe1589
Ай бұрын
I tried it yesterday & i got 3 echoes w/ crit dmg & crit rate.
@Krows.
Ай бұрын
ayyy I'm glad it worked :D
@RobotwaryorOfficiel
28 күн бұрын
The echo I get from the BP has better high rolls in CRIT everytime I pull them from the chest and lvl up, I don't think it's a timezone thing but more like the game itself when creating the echo in the Database has already the substat rolled inside and we are just discovering them with the tuners :) that's why I just put my echoes lv10 max 15 to see the ligns and if there's not what I need, I just try on another one until I get what's needed
@khangan4334
Ай бұрын
I comment on another vid about this topic, that is you had ~40% get cr or cd with 3 tunes (1-(11/13)^3), that's relatively high chance. And I did try this method to see if it works or not, unfortunately I only have resource for 6 echos lv 15, I play on server SEA and choose X4 minute mark because I want skill damage bonus (data at that moment is 0% cr, 30% cd and 10% skill bonus). Tune at 0/15/30/45 second. The result is very disappointed, only 1 get double cr and cd, 5 didn't get any cr or cd. I don't say the method is bs or not, perhaps I miss a few millisecond, or I just unlucky since I only roll 6 times, but take it with a grain of salt.
@Krows.
Ай бұрын
I'm sorry for your results I just had a quick look at the doc and the sea server didn't have alot of tester data at x4 mins it says 33 testers right now. The x7 min mark has 319 testers I would recommend you to wait until they get more testers for the sea server and give it another shot if you want. Well the doc doesn't say 100% crit everytime but if we look at my rolls I got 2 double crit rolls (which I usually never get) and 4x 1 crit rolls so out of 10 Echoes only 6 rolled into crit which would give me a 60% success rate. Keep in mind I rolled every Echo only 3 out of 5 times. But yeah I see what you mean like I said in the video everyone should try it themself and see how it goes for them :) There is another double Echo drop event soon you can give it another try then if you want there will probably also be more tester data by then and don't level a Echo more then 15 when you first roll them. Good luck with your rolls and I hope it goes better next time! :D
@gamosame3za374
Ай бұрын
before using the sheet make sure you're actually looking at the data collected, the 4th minute in the sheet doesnt have nearly enough data and some sections are even empty do obviously the chances arent reliable. u need to select a row with enough data on it.
@khangan4334
Ай бұрын
@@gamosame3za374 Just test it out last night. And I knew the meaning of the sheet is possibly you have higher chance obtain cr/cd at that moment, not guarantee. I disappointed bc it 5/6 echo didn't work for me (again, maybe I'm just unlucky) while the the raw calculation I state at the beginning should be 40%.
@Krows.
Ай бұрын
@@khangan4334 you can always give it a try in a few weeks when the double drops event comes out by then you will have more resources and more data to make sure you have the right time :)
@gamosame3za374
Ай бұрын
@@khangan4334 again its only 40% because of the limited test cases, i just checked the sheet and for sea at 4 minutes there isnt enough data for this 40% to actually be 40%. u need to make sure that there is enough test cases otherwise its biased. idk how to make it clearer
@le_pinjan
Ай бұрын
Random bullshit we see everyday on the internet 🤣
@Krows.
Ай бұрын
@smoltaengoo said it perfectly : if youre gonna level up echos it doesnt hurt to try this but dont expect that it would actually produce results just think of it as bonus luck i doubt they made the substat rng more complicated than it needed to be unless this research was conducted a few thousand times with thousands of people from all the servers dont expect too much if you dont wanna get disappointed The doc doesn't say 100% crit everytime but if we look at my rolls I got 2 double crit rolls (which I usually never get) and 4x 1 crit rolls so out of 10 Echoes only 6 rolled into crit which would give me a 60% success rate. Keep in mind I rolled every Echo only 3 out of 5 times. And if you look at the comments on the og video from the guy who found it worked for some other people too I mean the doc legit has over 1000 tests and it also worked for me as shown in the video. But it's fine if you don't want to believe it then don't I hope you have a nice rest of your day/night :)
@oniichan4289
Ай бұрын
did u tried this trick? or u just commented without even giving this trick a chance?
@le_pinjan
Ай бұрын
@@oniichan4289 I tried it, and got nothing. That's why I said it's a complete waste of time.
@ryuki9788
Ай бұрын
@@le_pinjan it's just you, bozo. most of us that tried it works.
@le_pinjan
Ай бұрын
@@ryuki9788 good if it works for you, but why are you calling me bozo
@BBroadnax
Ай бұрын
Bro, the 3rd roll was great, imo. Atk 11%, heavy dmg 10%, and basic dmg 10%. I like that roll.
@lukitohaland
Ай бұрын
I've tried this and got 0 crit roll on 4 echos. I dont know what's wrong😢
@Krows.
Ай бұрын
What server and what time did you roll at and what sec?
@xyp1n
Ай бұрын
Idk, i used to get double crits, now with this i have upgraded 10 echoes and 0 crit rolls
@Krows.
Ай бұрын
What server and what time and sec did you roll at?
@Tidalley
Ай бұрын
That's because the method outlined in this vid is probably nonsense
@radicalthunder5740
Ай бұрын
@it definitely isTidalley
@kyleledesma4685
Ай бұрын
Where can we get access to the sheet?
@Krows.
Ай бұрын
it's in the pinned comment :D docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Wixi5VK2EGO1oqbiFDkhRPCYjnhMTRrUPV3ZmynaAaI/edit?gid=413394713#gid=413394713
@volatileM.
Ай бұрын
Nah I'd suffer
@Krows.
Ай бұрын
@smoltaengoo said it perfectly : if youre gonna level up echos it doesnt hurt to try this but dont expect that it would actually produce results just think of it as bonus luck i doubt they made the substat rng more complicated than it needed to be unless this research was conducted a few thousand times with thousands of people from all the servers dont expect too much if you dont wanna get disappointed
@volatileM.
Ай бұрын
@@Krows.i mean it does work, but if its still not guaranteed, then nothing change because its already a pain to get the correct echo. i just hope they release the item to reset sub stat sooner
@fikribachik5785
Ай бұрын
This doesnt work, it’s RNG. Tried 7 echoes in a row at 7 minutes timing + 00,15,30,45 seconds in between. No cr or cdmg at all.
@_Ari__.
15 күн бұрын
I don't know how and I still dont believe this BUT I got 5 crit pieces out 7, they are not good piece but they are better than no CRIT. I will test this further and see if it is my bias or it actually works
@Inv1ctum
Ай бұрын
somehow i rolled godlike substats without knowing this, this is kinda late but fine i'll try it later
@Krows.
Ай бұрын
you're just better :O
@Inv1ctum
Ай бұрын
@@Krows. yeah but some pieces r still have single crit stat, but im working on it most echos are double crit tho maybe this helps me a bit with this missing crits, also i'd want energy regen but its almost impossible i think
@brunomellocouto583
Ай бұрын
@@Inv1ctumsome times i rather have crit ER instead of double crit
@nixnax1489
Ай бұрын
Saw the video by Bernard recommended by KZitem and just skipped it. Saw the same data on another video (this one) and decided to take a look. Pretty much what I expected. Think about it. How do you think these tests were conducted? Was it the same person doing these tests for over 2000 times? Were they on a Zoom call perhaps? Where is the data that proves that this was actually tested? If you can't provide any of those, then isn't this just a "Trust me bro" moment? Theories normally have basis on how they are made but I didn't see anything here. Who says that this isn't just a product of a bored person's mind?
@Krows.
Ай бұрын
@smoltaengoo said it perfectly : if youre gonna level up echos it doesnt hurt to try this but dont expect that it would actually produce results just think of it as bonus luck i doubt they made the substat rng more complicated than it needed to be unless this research was conducted a few thousand times with thousands of people from all the servers dont expect too much if you dont wanna get disappointed The doc doesn't say 100% crit everytime but if we look at my rolls I got 2 double crit rolls (which I usually never get) and 4x 1 crit rolls so out of 10 Echoes only 6 rolled into crit which would give me a 60% success rate. Keep in mind I rolled every Echo only 3 out of 5 times. And if you look at the comments on the og video from the guy who found it worked for some other people too I mean the doc legit has over 1000 tests and it also worked for me as shown in the video. But it's fine if you don't want to believe it then don't I hope you have a nice rest of your day/night :)
@Tidalley
Ай бұрын
@@Krows. In other words, it's a "trust me bro" moment
@BigBoiPnoy
Ай бұрын
@@nixnax1489 no. So on discord we separate each server for each player. Each player has to send it times with image of both game and clock. Basically we want evidence. Most of the data is coming from trusted players that have been in discord since hsr manipulation. So ya… the only thing we can’t account for is human error. Which will happen always.
@owl_uwu1297
Ай бұрын
@@BigBoiPnoy you could easily write a program that presses M1 based on a timer I reckon.
@BigBoiPnoy
Ай бұрын
@@owl_uwu1297 when 3rd party things start happening i refuse to do em. becomes more like cheating lol.... Members in discord already did this and became more accurate lol....
@nyamareofficial
28 күн бұрын
Must test that to get the perfect Changli build
@user-fz5oj8li8u
Ай бұрын
Nice info!
@Krows.
Ай бұрын
Thanks I hope you get Good rolls. Thanks for watching and commenting I really appreciate it! have a nice rest of your day/night :)
@mr.unknown7138
Ай бұрын
The first three i got was amazing resonance liberation dmg, heavy attack bonus, and crit rate guess what i got for the fourth and fifth, defense% and defense flat 😢
@Krows.
Ай бұрын
That's my luck with every Gacha game fr D:
@surrrp0
Ай бұрын
From the day i played thus game never have i got a good crit rate echo ever.
@Krows.
Ай бұрын
Apparently they are planning on adding an item that changes the bad substat on your echo??(prob only 1 and not like all 5 xD) I'm not sure tho saw some people mention it on my discord but again it's just leaks D:
@surrrp0
Ай бұрын
@@Krows. That will be helpful.
@abishreyshrestha7594
Ай бұрын
@@Krows.can you change the bad subsat into your desired one or is it changed to random?
@tjahyadihassan7072
Ай бұрын
Some say it works, some say it doesn't. It's almost like RNG!
@twitzmixx8374
Ай бұрын
No it's not guaranteed. Unless everyone in the world gets 100% crit all the time, don't call it guaranteed. Remember they are doing trials on specific times. And there are 60 seconds/minutes/hours. Datas each time is separate. We also all have different number of frames. What if it's on a specific window of frame rather than the window of second/minute/hour. There is also your ping, meaning the delay of your game. And there's no way to br sure that all the submitted data are good enough to be considered valid for being added to the calculation. The amount of sample needed on each time on top of so much variable(and some we can't even sure to say it's accurate enough) makes this trick just as good as randomly doing your tuning. It's there and it won't cost anything apart from spending time and effort, so definitely do if you can and contribute the data. Just don't expect it to be something like a holy grail.
@twitzmixx8374
Ай бұрын
Currently on minute 7, there's a lot of data, but on minute 2 there's very little. And the amount of samples at the highest time is still not high enough to be considered good. This basically means, reliability is almost non existent. Anyways I'm not discouraging this, heck I'm encouraging it so we can build a more reliable spreadsheet. Just putting this out to give everyone an idea of what this is actually, rather than calling it a GUARANTEED trick.
@Oldzcule
Ай бұрын
looks like the normal rng here. i dont think that this has to do something. but hey, let the people believe =) but i wanna believe this, so i try myself ^^
@Krows.
Ай бұрын
Well the doc doesn't say 100% crit everytime but if we look at my rolls I got 2 double crit rolls (which I usually never get) and 4x 1 crit rolls so out of 10 Echoes only 6 rolled into crit which would give me a 60% success rate. Keep in mind I rolled every Echo only 3 out of 5 times. But yeah I see what you mean like I said in the video everyone should try it themself and see how it goes for them :) Please let me know how it goes for you when you try it and make sure you're using the right time for your server and rolling every 15 secs like it said in the doc :D
@siegy9515
Ай бұрын
@@Krows.I just got crit rate and crit dmg using a dummy account wtf ☠️ Its the account first time getting a roll like this, I think this method is really gamebreaking 😂
@chaitanyamore8786
Ай бұрын
Nah this thing doesnt matter as no one have any tuner to experiment.. Waste of time just get ur skill up instead
@IamtheonlyMark
Ай бұрын
pin this krow if you see this for this to work you should have correct timing what i mean by this is you have to the click on the 14.99 mark so it register on 15.00 this method didn't fail me got 10/10 with this you where doing it in between 15 and 16 mark if you see the original video you can notice this do provide credits if you are using there work so people can consult the orignal source
@Krows.
Ай бұрын
Thanks for your tip I added it to the pinned comment all of the links are in the pinned comment too The spreadsheet, the og video and the clock I also gave credit in the first 10 secs of the video :)
@Arashish17
20 күн бұрын
You should have lvled it to lvl20 and tune it by 4 as it will have min. 25% chance to get crit and spreadsheet tells its 26%. It will match.
@anemosupremacy8523
Ай бұрын
i think ur supposed to tune it at the 7th minute exactly not at the 37th one. because i tried this with three echoes and i got three crits in a row.
@Krows.
Ай бұрын
Barnard the guy who I found this from said ''Technically it’s every 7th minute. Hour don’t really matter from our own tests. Just pay attention to the seconds you click tune at. Same time you needa consider the server you are playing on. This might hold true for us in America. I personally don’t know about other servers, at least how they are experiencing it overall.'' And on the spreadsheet it says ''Main Factors to pay attention to is Minutes, Seconds, and Miliseconds.'' I don't see why it would be the 7th minute when it clearly says X7 and X means any number. but if you have the time and want to do it every 7th minute of any hour and get better results then go ahead I might have to try it too thanks for the info :D Have a nice rest of your day/night and Good luck with your future echo rolls :)
@oniichan4289
Ай бұрын
DAYUMM! bruh is the choosen one. and here I'm struggling with stats roll T_T.
@SK373T0N
Ай бұрын
2326 golden tuners guys
@yog-thaquasleeperofrlyeh2816
Ай бұрын
This whole thing reeks of fish
@Arctic-mous3
Ай бұрын
Wait leveling up Echoes changes their substats?
@Krows.
Ай бұрын
yeah I have a video on everything that you need to know about Echoes and how to level them without wasting alot of your resources if you're interested :) kzitem.info/news/bejne/s4Btzo13nZVzp2k
@zeromailss
Ай бұрын
I have 300 tuner left and 0 echo exp, going broke for Jinshi, absolutely worth it (I'm a low spender with ton of resources from 2 BP) So yea I have no resource to try this method sadly, wish I know this sooner tho it could also be just rng
@evanescence47
Ай бұрын
I like how He actually proved it doesn't work 😅😅😂
@Krows.
Ай бұрын
How did it not work? the doc doesn't say 100% crit everytime but if we look at my rolls I got 2 double crit rolls (which I usually never get) and 4x 1 crit rolls so out of 10 Echoes only 6 rolled into crit which would give me a 60% success rate. Keep in mind I rolled every Echo only 3 out of 5 times. Please watch the full video before you go straight to the comments and if you look at the comments on the og video from the guy who found it worked for some other people too I mean the doc legit has over 1000 tests. But it's fine if you don't want to believe it then don't I hope you have a nice rest of your day/night :)
@aDifferentKind_ofHuman
Ай бұрын
worked for me almost everytime 🤷♀️
@Chillszy
Ай бұрын
Dude i did it a few hours ago by myself and got really juicy crit rolls on my electro dmg pieces for Yinlin & Calcharo. I rolled 8 pieces and got 5 with both crit stats & 3 with one crit stat. 🤷🏻
@Dustycat
Ай бұрын
@@Krows.everything is just RNG lil bro, stop this echo manipulation delusion. You cant change anything about luck
@Krows.
Ай бұрын
@@aDifferentKind_ofHuman Thanks for actaully trying it and then saying whether it works or not so far from what I've seen people don't watch the full video and think oh it's 100% crit roll every time when it legit said 13% and 14% for the crit rolls. I got 2 double Crit rolls and 4x 1 Crit roll keep in mind I didn't even roll the full 5 rolls but only 3. So out of 10 Echoes 6 rolled into Crit which gave me a 60% success rate which is higher then what it said in the doc (if I test 1000 Echoes then this number will get smaller). I also read the comments on the og video from the guy who found it and alot of people said that it worked for them and then tested it myself in this video and it worked for me too. Thank you for actually watching the video and giving good feedback I really appreciate it! :)
@cryptic6578
Ай бұрын
Now that I think about it, I think they use the same system for pulling. Maybe we can get a higher % chance to pull our 5 stars ⭐️. We need to test this (pls like so he sees this)
@toffiehacker3701
Ай бұрын
It does work but my dmg substats is at 1 minute and 2 minute mark Im in ph on asia server so maybe special timezone
@Krows.
Ай бұрын
Yeah it's different for every server and the spreadsheet also gets updated with more data from new players. For example for the asian server it's better to roll every 10 secs instead of 15 :D
@Simiiyu
29 күн бұрын
I really feel like this is just rng, but I've gotten crit rolls on those certain times a suspiciously high amount of times
@Lucisev_
Ай бұрын
3 out 13, not to mention, after you roll, the stat you get is taken out of the pool. The test should have been only doing the first roll on each echo. Because, 3 out of 13 is already 23% without this delulu sheet. In that case, you got crit on the first roll once, out of 5 echoes.
@Boroswuwa
Ай бұрын
Thanks, it work great for me, def ,def hp , im happy
@dankweaboo1105
Ай бұрын
schizophrenia
@RvLicious69
26 күн бұрын
I already want to quit from burnout farming echoes.. I'm definitely gonna try this, thanks!
@ved9119
Ай бұрын
Holy mother of lord this works I tried it on 9 Inferno Rider and half of them got double crit while the rest only have one crit stat. This was a major diff compared on me getting crit stats at the last two rolls
@rzeecs
Ай бұрын
Let's go Tinfoil hat club
@SeireiYura
Ай бұрын
i knew it no one believed me... they called me a schizo lmao
@-Shiino
Ай бұрын
I used to think about this stuff about RNG when I play games then I stopped thinking about it as it removes the "fun" on some games.
@ayatoayagi1278
Ай бұрын
Wow, I need ro try this. Thanks.
@Krows.
Ай бұрын
Good luck with your rolls and thank you so much for watching and commenting I really appreciate it! let me know if you need any help :)
@ayatoayagi1278
Ай бұрын
@@Krows. It worked! :D I finally got crit rate and crit dmg + heavy atk dmg bonus on aero dmg% echo. Finally 😭 thank you for this video.
@arthurcruz6887
Ай бұрын
It surely ain't that simple, but it's been working great for me. I think it might also be account-bound somehow, unfortunately, it's not the same for everyone, so we should do our own statistics and see what works better. Minute 7 is my favorite.
@marshallwhite202
Ай бұрын
Yeah i doubt this manip is an actual thing, way too small of sample base for a proper result. If anything your rolls were pretty much average at best. Just my opinion
@Krows.
Ай бұрын
Well it worked for me I usually never get double crit rolls which I got in the video. I already read through the comments on the original video and it seemed like it worked for a lot of people as for the testers the doc gets updated It already has over 1000 tests and will probably get more as more people find out about this :)
@justerinooo
Ай бұрын
I'd still try it though, I'll go see if it's important that you only roll 1 substat at a time.
@Krows.
Ай бұрын
@@justerinooo yeah everyone should try it! I would roll 3 substats each time tho since the chances of getting a crit roll is really low on only one roll but I wouldn't roll 5 substats at the same time since that would be a waste of materials. The usual rule with Echoes is if you roll 3 substats and out of the 3 if two substats are bad then you stop rolling! :D
@ishmamhasnatiram2505
Ай бұрын
Please make a spreadsheet for pulls, i think it Works there too
@Krows.
Ай бұрын
I don’t have the money to test that and if people did know how to do that then People would gatekeep it because if it gets too big then it would 100% get patched D:
@KatyaXx0
Ай бұрын
Now im getting obsessed with this 😂 i wonder if it works with gacha summons ... 😂
@Krows.
Ай бұрын
I don’t have the money to test that with gacha summons and if people did know how to do that then People would gatekeep it because if it gets too big then it would 100% get patched D:
@rrron
Ай бұрын
if people were really confident this works they would be rolling one substat at a time not three
@KingLibra77
Ай бұрын
It literally says on the spreadsheet that the 30- 39 min mark has mixed results, bro picked the worse time to try it
@captainsmith7076
Ай бұрын
Soon i will try this
@Krows.
Ай бұрын
Good luck I hope it works for you too! :)
@Fabelaz
Ай бұрын
I hope that doesn't get patched out
@racer_editz349
Ай бұрын
Is that why when I upgraded 5 jues at the same time hey all got heavy attack bonus?!?!?!?
@scopeyui240
Ай бұрын
I got crit on first try and 3rd try thanks this is broken
@laughingofficial1888
Ай бұрын
Yall will loose than you get with this way, trust. If you think 13%,14% is worth it then you’re a such as naive guys
@spookdome
Ай бұрын
you do realise there's a 40% chance to roll one crit stat when doing 3 tunes, right
@maelstr0m_
Ай бұрын
I mean, this is really really interesting. I'm currently working on getting a broken Cryo set for my Sanhua and I have 0 luck I'll try this, maybe it'll work? So far my Echos all roll with Def/Def/HP/HP/Flat ATK. Thanks for the video!
@mistersimple7303
Ай бұрын
share your experience here if possible, brother.
@maelstr0m_
Ай бұрын
@@mistersimple7303 So, just did about 10 echos to get a valueable reading. Keep in mind, I'm in Europe so the time I have to tune is different for me. For Europe, the highest Crit chance is at the 7th Minute, every 15 seconds. In those 10 echos, 4 of them had Crit, sadly never both, but that's alright So, maybe there's something there, but it def needs more testing and it seems to be quite random. Edit: I have no mats again lol
@mistersimple7303
Ай бұрын
@@maelstr0m_ dang, what a rotten luck. I am in sea server and it is also at 7th minute mark. Will try soon when my mats are piled up. Wish you better luck next time rolling for substats.
@maelstr0m_
Ай бұрын
@@mistersimple7303 Ah I won't have any luck. It might sound pessimistic but I was like this in Genshin as well. I had over 3k Hours in Genshin Not one of my sets had good substats.
@mistersimple7303
Ай бұрын
@@maelstr0m_ well at least you enjoy the game, that would be the best thing for you, mate.
@CopingMechanism9736
Ай бұрын
This actualy worked but not 100%
@-moordrak-
Ай бұрын
It worked for me. Kinda. :) 3 out of 5 rolled crit! Other rolls were, well, far from perfect :) . 1st one: def 60 - atk 50 - crit rate 6.3 -ER 10 - Heavy atk dmg 8.6, 2nd one: crit rate 6.9 - res skill 9.4 - def 10 - res liberation 10.9 - ER 9.2 , 3rd one: ER 10.8 - CritDMG 12.6 - res Liberation 7.9. Two bad ones I just recycled. After all, this was fun! To tell you the truth, I'm not so sure if this method is legit but I have materials and will to try few times more. Wish me luck!, btw, EU server , 7 was the magic number.
@osprey2499
Ай бұрын
Yeah, this just confirms that it doesn't work. The probability of hitting a CR roll in your first 3 is already decent as is, you're still bricking a piece if you roll like this, and you're also wasting exponentially more tuners than if you carefully picked which echo you push up.
@siegy9515
Ай бұрын
Imagine if this works in character and weapon banner
@OatDrip777
Ай бұрын
Yes. Every game. especially MMORPG. or other online game. have their timespawn/timestamp. its the same as when the certain mobs will spawn or the other way around. the same goes to the gacha system.this system is some kind of a log file like system that the game developer set for it to work with the code they make. you need some knowledge and take notes on what time its spawn and when the pattern really shows. its either twice in 1 hour marks 1 minute mark or 30 second mark or 30minute mark for a good % chance of you getting the "rng". its kinda complicated to think about. but its actually not if you have the source and know the details of the timestamp. everygame have this system. if you are a game developer. you will know this for sure. but modern day game. they sometime change the time mark every month or use a random timestamp generator. cause they know some of the human will know about this for sure and will abuse the timestamp. yeah thats it. we are a capable creature. and this system have been here since Ragnarok Online classic. which is back from 2002. human also use this system for the jackpot number. but instead Jackpot number generates random number. which also can be abuse by the one who knows👁
@absolutevoid6944
Ай бұрын
Yup same here I'll see if it does work or not
@Krows.
Ай бұрын
Good luck!! it's not 100% but I got a few Double crit rolls by doing it Which I usually never get D: I hope you get lucky and get a few double crits too :)
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