You should be thankful there's still an element of competition in the MP scene, because I promise you this: None of us would benefit from a Fanstoys monopoly.
@Thomas_Name
4 ай бұрын
Which is exactly what we'll get if Fanstoys pushes the few MP companies we got left into a war over every character.
@tatt4music
4 ай бұрын
Most of the complaints about Xtransbots here can also be said about fanstoys. Bad transformations. Too toon looking. Inconsistent. But Xtrans usually has better articulation.
@EagleBot13
4 ай бұрын
I totally see that double standard too. Fans Toys has a lot of the same issues too, but Xtransbots gets all the hate. I personally love what Xtransbots does with their vehicle modes.
@MrOmgchimps
4 ай бұрын
This half my Fanstoys bot have a QC issue, my Quietus has trouble standing due to his toes having no friction to hold them. Xtransbots isn't perfect but my Virtus has less issues than my Koot did, Koot has wrong parts and a shin piece that barely holds
@goaway3487
4 ай бұрын
XTransbots doesn't need to get out of FansToys way. How about FansToys not paying attention to what Keith is doing and instead focus on getting projects completed. Where is Deadend? Where is Blitzwing? Where are Fireflight and Slingshot? They've yet to complete a single combiner where XTB at least completed their Menasor in a timely manner. I still like the DX9 Menasor myself in combined mode and they're far less expensive than XTB or FT. Anyone else noticed the departure of Vectron Labs? Those folks didn't disappear. One of the larger companies hired those folks. It's not a coincidence that FT MMC and XTB all have Devastators in the works. I would not be surprised if Keith didn't hire those folks to come and work for him being they got Longhaul released so quickly and I'm betting they also have Scrapper released before FT or MMC get one of their own to Market. I'll also bet MMC completes their Devastator long before FT does. FT makes great toys but they're really #1 in teasing people for years. They only get away with it because they do seem to be the best overall by a small margin but damn if I'm putting them on a pedestal for it. They seem to enjoy poking Keith every last chance they get more than anything. 😂
@JaceyMitchell
4 ай бұрын
My only issue with XTB is QC and breakage. I don't think FT transformations tend to be fun (their Gears is pretty much the only figure in their entire line that I actually enjoy flipping back and forth), but with FT at least I don't avoid transforming them because I'm too scared they'll break and/or fall apart after a few transformations. It's a real shame because I'm a big fan of XTB's style, visually. If their figures were sturdier they would be my first choice most of the time when there are multiple options available. Really the only exception that I can think of where I preferred the look of FT over XTB was Galvatron, Scourge and Cyclonus. But Galvatron and Scourge may well be the two best figures FT has ever released. For pretty much everything else I prefer the look of XTB, but rarely end up buying them because of QC and transformations where you have to bend fragile plastics resulting in frequent breakage.
@dannysegarra4504
4 ай бұрын
@JaceyMitchell tbh man my figures from xtb be falling apart after a few transformation
@TransformsIntoAGuitar
4 ай бұрын
People keep mention the Motormaster breakage issue. There was only one report that I'm aware of.
@rob-n-roll
4 ай бұрын
not even one, as far as i know
@bobagorof
4 ай бұрын
Shows how rumour is more powerful than facts
@rob-n-roll
4 ай бұрын
@@bobagorof the actual problem was with Dragstrip's shoulders, that's what widespread
@TransformsIntoAGuitar
4 ай бұрын
@@rob-n-rollNo, there was one. I think it was posted on a Chinese site.
@optimusdaddy7739
4 ай бұрын
The fire trucks/ cranes are amazing, cosmos is cool too
@bradkrekelberg8624
4 ай бұрын
It doesn't matter what figures XTB chooses to do. As soon as they announce it, 6 months later FT will announce theirs.
@raziel4435
4 ай бұрын
And if Xtransbots reliably make the better product then it shouldn’t matter what Fanstoys or any other company do or don’t do, should it?
@famyemil
4 ай бұрын
@14:33 Well said!! Why would anyone want toon proportions?!
@paragonkobalt
4 ай бұрын
not speaking for everyone but a lot of people connect that character to those specific proportions even if they are janky. like the official jetfire captures the soul of the character a lot more than the fanstoys did to me and a lot of people.
@famyemil
4 ай бұрын
@@paragonkobalt I love the cartoon, but as a kid, I knew that they couldn’t convey details and realism in the cartoon. So, in my mind, they were suppose to have some realism, especially their ALT modes. And that was my hope for the MP series. To scratch that itch.
@paragonkobalt
4 ай бұрын
@@famyemil thats totally fair too. im just saying a lot of people like the literal interpretation of it since thats what theyre nostalgic for. neither is wrong
@famyemil
4 ай бұрын
@@paragonkobalt agreed…wish takara would do both…they started the line with realism…i don’t want my Sideswipe Lambo Countach looking like the toon
@dustyyshellz1320
4 ай бұрын
I prefer it
@michaelpolston5240
4 ай бұрын
This conversation makes me so glad I sold off my Masterpiece collection. It became such a miserable, unfun hobby to me, and you touch on a lot of things in this video that really irritated me about it.
@ArionRDAW
4 ай бұрын
"I think the Ironhide will still do well because what are the options?" *Fans Toys has entered the chat*
@maximusmedia76
4 ай бұрын
The "new" company Fantastic Model has released shots, I think it's Transform Element again.
@capac2
4 ай бұрын
Exactly! “Fantastic Model” aka Fanstoys steps into the arena.
@robertban871
4 ай бұрын
hmm yeha, i wish they could fix up that chest being broken up the way they designed it, i prefer the XTB one with slightly more sculpted detailing as the Fanstoys ironhide has nothing, not even the few details the animation model sheet has, fanstoys just wanted blank squares for all the body parts
@optimusdaddy7739
4 ай бұрын
Seaspray was better than expected
@TheBigdaddy64
4 ай бұрын
Its the damn feet!!!
@dustyyshellz1320
4 ай бұрын
I’ll say I prefer xtb magnus and springer over Fanstoys so if they release second they have a shot but it’s always usually Fanstoys announcing after them
@JaceyMitchell
4 ай бұрын
FT's magnus has left me unimpressed. Note how every image that shows him "armored up" shows only minimal articulation. I wouldn't be surprised if he couldn't do much more than a basic a-stance, where the XTB Commander Stack's articulation is incredible, and it is a gorgeous looking figure from all sides. The shoulder pylons look too skinny on the FT as well imo. So yeah I agree. I think XTBs Springer is easily the best looking MP springer across all three modes. I just hate that it's so fragile and prone to breaking. 😢 And that's the main reason I avoid XTB releases more often than not. Most of their figures look gorgeous, have some of the best articulation, and visually are my first choice. But then QC rears its ugly head, and you have to do transformations where you have to bend fragile plastics. I really want them to do well because I'd love to have a big XTB collection. They just need to work on those issues. Their Grapple/Inferno is one of my favorite MP scale molds of all time. In a way they're my favorite third party, and in other ways they make me scream sometimes. Hahaha
@matthewlove509
4 ай бұрын
Don't have a dog in this fight as far as who is better, FT or XTB. I don't agree with the final comment that XTB should stay out of FT's way. The idea of sacrificing for tune aesthetic happens with all of them, ie Huffer's shoulder joint for FT was just silly. And I think XTB's Scrapper looks far better than FT's. I think FT generally hits it out of the park more often than XTB, but is it worth the cost or the wait?
@dare2727
4 ай бұрын
i think the point they are making is that regardless of what anyone thinks about any company,price,wait, etc fanstoys has a rabid following (i am a fanstoys fanboy) and the community still flocks to them. I think we can now make a reasonable assumption that fanstoys has a design for every season 1/2/movie character, so why fight a losing battle. From a business point of view why keep finishing second when they can pivot and finish first in a different area of the same space. These brans are pretty much established now with the rep being their rep and for xtb their rep already holds them back (they deserve that rep because they suck) and they dont need the extra headache of fanstoys
@Talisac80
4 ай бұрын
Is it ft being petty or greedy? I think, at this point, ft could let the other companies make figures and not announce them at the same time and still pull in everyone without a loss
@byrin
4 ай бұрын
As a company, xtransbot cannot rely on just fringe characters. The numbers cannot work. They have to dip their fingers in the key characters and stuff like Ironheart have prob being in the works for a long time before rivals announce their own versions.
@mechgouki7999
4 ай бұрын
I bought Xtransbots, or rather, KFC Godginrai. And it feels, I think spaghetti engineering is a good description. At least he hasn't broke. Yet.
@ThePrimetime84
4 ай бұрын
The problem is XTransbots and Fanstoys have complex transformations, except XTransbots tends to have cheaper feeling plastic than Fanstoys so Fanstoys figures feel sturdier.
@trueworld78
4 ай бұрын
Xtb announced their ironhide and ratchet first.ft always trys to block their sales, i feel its a bad move ,xtb is the only company left close to delivering like ft .
@theoaf6777
4 ай бұрын
I wouldn't be surprised if FT's entire play is to knock out all the competition, then crank up their prices.
@trueworld78
4 ай бұрын
Yah ,i mean we want more thirdparty companys to do well,i think thts wrong in their part ,am a huge fan of fan toys but not everything has to compare to them,i mean their constructicons don't look as great, i prefer xtbs look.
@inflewence
4 ай бұрын
I think Runabout and Runamuck encapsulates the company. Basically, the same bot and one is way better than the other. Long Haul and Inferno was their best figures to me.
@yodaddy9428
3 ай бұрын
I'm happy with my VooDoo Robots Ratchet for $50. 😜😜😜
@yodaddy9428
3 ай бұрын
Meant to say Ironhide, but they are the same mold. My feelings are the same on both. 😉
@darthcoconut
4 ай бұрын
"Becaws" - lol
@badlamprey891
4 ай бұрын
I really like transforming my XTB battle chargers... but I did have to take them apart and adjust like half the joints and hinges.
@thespaceram2879
4 ай бұрын
Bobby sounding with that Harley Quinnish street accent here. Interesting.
@dustyyshellz1320
4 ай бұрын
My FYEET on springer have a crack too because of how they transform
@alectech5435
4 ай бұрын
Honestly some people dislike transistor not because he aint toon accurate but because his qc is a nightmare Ive got loose shoulders, hips, knees, a waist that is as loose as a helicopter blade, feet that make him do the michael jackson all the time and fingers that flop up and down by mere gravity Yes it may be "bad luck" but it still sucks to pay over 100 dollars to get this type of qc
@optimusdaddy7739
4 ай бұрын
The feet on Ironhide look like a bunch of flaps
@jonathanb1987
4 ай бұрын
I hate the uber toon look. I like the toon based character plus adding in realistic alt modes and surface details.
@jason.kchantziaras8456
4 ай бұрын
I have the first Omnibots and can’t wait for the other 2 !! And I love the Japanese counter punch (Bond James J) The Fast & Fury. Have to many screw holes , Fans toys used screw covers every were The iron hide Needs rework bad , remember Fuzz ? Train wreck !! But there Keith’s fantasy club larger bots are amazing horror cons apeface & snapdragon
@georgewaters2533
4 ай бұрын
Takara Ironhide was early-1980’s AWA The Crusher…a beer-belly brawler!😂
@MythsAndHeroes
4 ай бұрын
We’re talking about the mp
@georgewaters2533
4 ай бұрын
So was I…it was a joke.
@francowanta6880
4 ай бұрын
cosmos/klaatu for me is their best figure
@Windrave
4 ай бұрын
I wish they would reissue it. I wasn't collecting at the time of their previous run and everywhere that sells it is either used or at an outrageous price.
@francowanta6880
4 ай бұрын
@@Windrave Got mine in 2020 for $65. Now prices for him are outrageous. If FT releases their cosmos, I would still keep my Klaatu
@MikeD974
4 ай бұрын
I think the inferno mode is x-transbots best figure or 1 if them I like their cyclonus too
@BIGLARRY100
4 ай бұрын
I sold my whole collection & am most thankful it meant no more Xtransbots. They suck. Keith is dead set on releasing every 80's 4 door sedan in every color w/ horrible tampo logos. Its like... oh look, its a perrywinkle/mustard Mitsubishi Galant or a salmon & maroon colored Lincoln Town Car w/ Coco Puff & Kool cigarette logos all over it. AND it transforms into some no-name prick from the comics to boot. F U buddy!
@INDY_LF
4 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂
@mortelpaolo
4 ай бұрын
@17:08 "Ironhide in your head". That guy on the right looks like Studio Series 86. Brawler proportions. Not 100% screen accurate at all but that's the figure you send to the barracks. Not Takara's masterpiece pregnant woman with red knee high boots. Honestly, as far as the XTB, if you want a screen accurate chest but you want him to transform into the real life Vannette, it sounds like you'll have to faux chest it like MP Sunstreaker. Which is absolutely doable and is something I predict Fanstoys is gonna do.
@christopherbee8800
4 ай бұрын
Bobby, there's another no name company that just dropped a MP Ironhide too. Except if it turns out good quality, it'll be a spot on version.
@mentalicmutant1758
4 ай бұрын
FT looks ok but it has less detail than even the toon on the forearms and legs. Also, chest is too narrow. Also, lots of kibble up top around the head/shoulders. So, FT may be better than XTB but still meh in many ways.
@triknot333
4 ай бұрын
Not see it ? Can you say the name what they use ?
@chippywinger8376
4 ай бұрын
Still can’t believe they did that to Runabout. 🤦
@WaywardTraveler77
4 ай бұрын
I'm guessing this was filmed before last weekends TF con. This was very on point. Great video.
@beatrixwickson8477
4 ай бұрын
I like a lot of XTB figures, I like a lot of FT figures. I've bought characters from both only to decide that I prefer the other one. I'm the sort of collector who prioritises vehicle mode accuracy and despite liking the old style of Takara MP find I do like seeing toon accurate bot modes. With a little extra detail and love. Like trying to capture what the animation would have been like with time and money. But even though I prioritise the vehicle mode AND I like having figures with detailed interiors and door which open and stuff, if it's not good, don't do it. XTB Skids has a great interior, makes sense to show it off. TT Skids looks stupid inside, don't bother. Runamuck and Runabout look stupid because they have the faux doors to open too, so sure, I'd like opening doors and a steering wheel, but if it looks shit, don't bother. And definitely don't make it so it ruins the look of both modes. It look dumb having the hole in the chest and it still looks wrong in alt mode. I'm more forgiving of Overdrive having terrible feet because mine didn't break. Yet I love Big Load (so to speak) but even being super careful with the easy to break flaps on the truck bed, I still broke one. It's fiiiiine, but it really spoils my enthusiasm for a great figure otherwise. I get that you can't please everyone but I don't see who the steering wheel whole pleases. I certainly won't be jumping at a new Ironhide unless it's better than TT and I don't see that happening. Honestly I feel like XTB get some weird hate on top of the fair criticism, yet I think Bobby is pretty fair minded about it despite his personal preferences. I don't laugh at the thought of people pulling out of XTB figures when FT announces one though. Like, MAYBE it will come out. Or maybe the Stunticons are coming first lol If I back a team it's Deformation Space. Keep the big players honest. Keep prices down and standards up through competition. AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, SOMEONE RELEASE OR REISSUE A WINDCHARGER!
@JaceyMitchell
4 ай бұрын
I usually prefer the look of XTB over the look of FT, but then end up going with FT because of XTBs frequently terrible QC and build quality. XTBs Ironhide just looks a bit unfinished though, and it's a fairly rare instance where I feel the FT is thusfar looking better.
@happiaxxident
4 ай бұрын
I used a hairdryer to heat up my XTB MX-23c prior to transformation and it helped the process immensely. I highly recommend heating up your XTB and action figures prior to manipulation. Won’t fix engineering issues or poor materials but can prevent certain breaks!
@saysoun752
4 ай бұрын
I have the original and this version and haven't had any problems with transformation or breakage. I've broken several Transformers but never XTB or FT. I've broken Takara Tomy and Fans Hobby Transformers as some of the materials used just aren't very good. The FH hurt as it was an exclusive and I have Minerva and this was just a repaint to make her into Windblade, in this case Wheelblade. Exact same Transformation and my Minerva is perfect and I broke Wheelblade on the second transformation. I've broken two Takara figures, technically one, as Hound came with a stress mark that was then broken during transformation. They wouldn't send a replacement as the piece that's broken can't be removed and I would need an entire piece that had multiple pieces connected to it so they refused to send a replacement. My other figure was my Starscream 2.0 as I broke that during my first transformation when I wasn't paying attention and my finger hit a very tiny thin piece and it just snapped off. Lucky it wasn't very important.
@kevinboutwell
4 ай бұрын
aw yeah 4 dummies
@theoaf6777
4 ай бұрын
You can tell this was recorded prior to TFCon, otherwise the whole Ironhide conversation would be different. FWIW, despite me despising FT's cockblocking business tactics, I do like variety in mold-mates, and it also made XTB announce a whole bunch more accessories... one of which was a Marvel head for their Ratchet. So I'm going with that and FT's Ironhide with the IDW head.
@epicEKG77
4 ай бұрын
you probably recorded this a while back, Fans Toys announced an Ironhide and Ratchet (as "Fantastic model"), and they do look better than XTB, and I for one don't care they will cost a bit more, my problem is that With FT you can never know WHEN they will actually be available, could be years, while XTB probably going to hit the market this year.
@Dormamu
4 ай бұрын
#becaws2024
@nigelcole299
4 ай бұрын
I agree. I don't believe I've ever had a break with fanstoys, but I've had a few with X-Transbots. Something just does not feel quite right about them. I'd love to see them attack toys from '87 or '88. There is so much variety to go after.
@dennisngan8492
4 ай бұрын
Only different companies with competition shall control the pricing. Monopoly is not healthy. Choosing which products in the end shall based on buyers’ decision. Hopefully ft shall deliver their products soon 🤞
@YasapYaakov018
4 ай бұрын
Seems like you nailed all my goods and bads about XTB in 1 episode
@donaldjackson4456
4 ай бұрын
Fanstoys iron hide is up for pre order along with Ratchet
@guille5959
4 ай бұрын
I'm surprised they didn't mention or talk about fanstoys versions of ironhide and ratchet going up for preorder about a week ago at showz and make comparisons.
@polarisrustinpeace1797
4 ай бұрын
You guys are right. I bet xtb is lucky to get 30% of the market when competing against FT. Unfortunately, they're not in the same league. They're best at making hopes and pictures.
@7tgm23
4 ай бұрын
MP Ironhide with the hip kits are still better than the XTB by a mile. No chance I’ll hit this new one up.
@MisaelCastilloBrenes
4 ай бұрын
Great topic! I stopped buying XTB with the Stunticons (not because of the price but because of the inconsistency that you mention). I wanted to get their Ultra Magnus, but I realized that I don't want any more "placeholders". If it is not good as a definite piece, I won't buy it. Most of XTB releases recently had issues (too complicated transformation, floppy joints, stress marks, etc) and they aren't exactly cheap. I'm looking forward for Fans Toys Ultra Magnus, and I will wait whatever it takes to get their Ironhide. I'm even waiting for their Blitzwing 😅 (at this point I doubt that will happen).
@roonis418
4 ай бұрын
X-trans bots is also getting into the legends game now too. So just make season 3 characters and legends and they could do very well. But yes stay out of fans toys way since people just cancel their orders once they know fans toys is making the same thing.
@theoaf6777
4 ай бұрын
Some people do, but not all. There are still a lot of people that like realistic alt. modes and that's where XTB reigns. FT can do good alt. modes (most revently Warthog and Jive X), but they prefer 'toon and tend to stick to their lane. And honestly, from what we've seen from their Constructicon renders so far, they're not that good in 'bot or alt. mode... it looks like they're focusing on combined and everything else is secondary.
@raziel4435
4 ай бұрын
With motomaster, XTB took the easy way out with having the trailer completely separate and frankly for me personally, it isn’t good enough. The backpack is basically the entire cab front. How many companies have managed to do a better job with the same alt mode into a bot mode.
@capencowl
4 ай бұрын
Xtb is their own worst enemy.
@josephfoor4321
4 ай бұрын
X-Transbots is to MP third party as Rob Liefield is to comic artists.
@D0nnyB0y
4 ай бұрын
While I fully agree that XTB should stay in the S3-4/Toy-only character "lane", I also feel as though that should give them the impetus to make sure these figures shine and shine BRIGHT. Tight tolerances, materials, and paint work need to be PRISTINE if its going to be the only version of "X" character on the market. There are other Perceptors, Springers, and Galvatrons out there, but No One Else is doing the Battlechargers, Omnibots, or Double-Spies.
@johnlatella674
3 ай бұрын
I bought jansen, never again worst masterpiece transformer ever, those thumbs are unforgettable
@mistagoat6713
4 ай бұрын
XTB's history is just peaks and valleys. I've been collecting for a very long time and they've simply lost my trust. They'd release a great figure and I'd buy it and gain confidence in the company and then the next release has parts falling off as I remove it from the box so I swear off XTB, then I read all the reviews of their newest figure and everyone says its fantastic so I get it and that rebuilds some confidence so I buy another release it breaks on the first transformation so I swear off them again and the cycle repeats. I've been burned too many times and I don't want to play the game anymore. XTB figs look great in photos but they won't get another cent of my hard earned money.
@passionnotparked9099
4 ай бұрын
XTBs issue is Quality...They can be #1, but They choose to be #2. Every single one of XTBs releases in the last 24 months can be equal or top FTs but XTB chooses to put less of everything in, to undercut FTs Prices. Example, Fast and Furious are $100 each, if XTB would just up the Mats, Engineering, QC, and Hardware by another 25% and add that $25 to the $100 for a total price of $125, I would be much happier and it would be FTs instead of XTB.
@TheWolfmansgotnards
4 ай бұрын
I like Bobby's comments on the more obscure characters. I'd go one further than that and say why not exploit the fans toys market, for example I own Skullcruncher and LOVE him and i'd adore, and would buy, a Horri-Bull/Bullhorn of the same scale and styling and I think you'd sell that figure on it's own merits but also if it compliments a figure we already have.
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