I bet so many people will complain about the auto targeting issue at 20:24 😅
@jsk1429
8 ай бұрын
Nah this was a really well made video, beware of the stans but this really makes me think if I get c6 gaming, and I have kazuha instead of Xianyun is there no point in building her?
@TungNguyen-sl8hr
8 ай бұрын
maybe the target's HP bar hasn't appeared yet so she targeted elsewhere
@user-steve6336
8 ай бұрын
Melt ?
@SyrFlora
8 ай бұрын
Hahaha, fair point thou, she is okayish unit, gud synergy with gaming, hutao C0 (can play new combo with plunge and it better than solely jump cancel which C0 tao will use if u main her), diluc, xiao obviously. Also gud at exploration. She is just like shenhe to be honest value wise.
@KikoMakai
7 ай бұрын
Hi , i was wondering if you could give me your opinion on what you think is the best c1 r1 Neuvilette team now? I either run him with: Furina (C2) , kazuha , and Lisa w/ PA on Maidens, OR Fischl, KAzuha, Kokomi on clam. Thank you :) (i don't have Zhong,,, i tried AP ning with PA, but not a fan of picking up crystalize shards, and i got similar results to using Lisa)
@НадеждаГлебова-м6х
8 ай бұрын
I pulled her because I like her and because I’m bored. I don’t have problems with 36*, so now I just pull whoever I like.
@loggerkey6905
8 ай бұрын
Same here. I was just bored with Nuvi and his pi** stream 😂 I had 257 pulls , i spent 150 and got nahida , CR and her signature. Not to mention c6 gaming . Its fun to change gameplay once in a while. 🎉🎉
@НадеждаГлебова-м6х
8 ай бұрын
@@loggerkey6905 Oh, c6 gaming. I now have c4 and desperately want to pull one more constellation. I plan on picking him from lantern rite. Congrats on Nahida!
@loggerkey6905
8 ай бұрын
@@НадеждаГлебова-м6х well Xianyun is not so popular on web, i find it very fun to play with gaming. Nahida on other hand is OP.
@nyuuh
7 ай бұрын
@@loggerkey6905 meanwhile me with c2 xianyun having to pull in total of 362.. and 236 this banner just to get c3 gaming only... envious...
@loggerkey6905
7 ай бұрын
@@nyuuh my plan was to pull just for Nahida but after trial of Xianyun i just wanted mommy bird
@animatedamons470
8 ай бұрын
They really gatekeeped CC to anemo while not releasing new anemo CC characters
@lost8861
8 ай бұрын
The cc was piss pour anyways and would've been Hella inconvenient, the only time it would be useful is with her c6
@Synchronizebud
8 ай бұрын
Too scared to upset kazuha mains i guess, even now albedo mains start to mald because arrival of chiori🗿
@cadeemmusgrove7791
8 ай бұрын
This actually isn’t true. Faruzan C6 provides constant off field grouping every 3 seconds for like 18 seconds. While lynnet’s forced grouping is meh at C1; she has the best taunt in the game and it lasts 12 seconds which is a main dps window. It’s not that they’re not releasing cc on anemo units…. They aren’t releasing upgrades. Kaz and sucrose because of their generic buffing will stay kings while C6 faruzan, the best multiwave grouper in the game, feels niche to anemo only teams.
@stelixhyx808
8 ай бұрын
lynette is so funny because she gave me faster clear times in the lector chamber than kazuha due to her grouping xd@@cadeemmusgrove7791
@fleura888
8 ай бұрын
I like how there's just a random single weapon that just gets grouping as its passive
@Uryvichk
8 ай бұрын
I think Neuvillette needs Furina way less than other teams need Furina + Jean/Xianyun. Which isn't necessarily a reason to justify rolling for her in and of itself, but I think he doesn't mind it quite so much as other people mind getting that combo.
@TWEWYas
8 ай бұрын
Honestly Jamie I love your content wholeheartedly, I just feel the way things were taken into account in this video were a bit scuffed compared to how you usually review things. For i.e. there are other uses for Xianyun, whilst niche she does work with Chongyun infusion+Shenhe and C6 Lynette infusion+Faruzan. The damage in these teams, at least from my experience with the C6 Lynette ver is very high. I get reviewing Gaming cause he's new but only reviewing one specific 4* when there are others that work well seems confusing to me. Still a great video as it was pretty insightful though it just felt really baffling at points fot e.g. to put certain characters on that chart and then to not include others (some standard banner 5*s and only 1 4*).
@jamiekb9v
8 ай бұрын
Unfortunately I only have c0 faruzan and c0 Lynette so can’t test those for the video
@I_Simp_For_Arlecchino
8 ай бұрын
18:50 what da dog doin'?
@OliChanUwU
8 ай бұрын
Nom
@TheColdestplay
8 ай бұрын
Wtf are you talking about with normal attack cancel on hutao? If your hutao is c0 you're already jump canceling so you might as well use that jump cancel to plunge
@rainofkhandaq6678
7 ай бұрын
That logic doesn't fit hid agenda
@rebbudesu5088
8 ай бұрын
I honestly think what they had in mind with this character is overworld comfort and ofc her looks. Im at a point where abyss is so easy i now only consider looks. Ofc for newer players, meta wise, i think its best for them to invest on nahida instead
@shonenhikada9254
8 ай бұрын
This is a mihoyo employee.
@Synchronizebud
8 ай бұрын
Thanks for the clarification 💀
@OnlySSSTuna
8 ай бұрын
She's basically made with the intention that you're bored and u need a new way to play your chars. If that doesn't say anything about this game idk what does. For a game u play 15 mins a day at most to be boring instead of making u want more.
@GreyNya
8 ай бұрын
Keep in mind how Jamie casually tells you to do 100 (one hundred) PMA retries in order to see for yourself how unreliable vaping with Furina gets. If you're average person I guess you'd get similar amount of "fun" playing 20% crit chance Eula 😂
@chimilicitypjm459
8 ай бұрын
The baseline is high enough for u to compromise bennet to yelan, actually. See Jello Impact’s test.
@KikoMakai
7 ай бұрын
i lol'd,... why u gotta call out the Eula mains like that
@jamahldavis5078
7 ай бұрын
Bruv I saw a Hutao with 30 cr AND 350 CD💀
@fourteenroads9738
8 ай бұрын
why is hu tao in "doesn't care about xianyun"? Don't they have synergy together? Can't you do N2CJ into plunge?
@poochycosme
8 ай бұрын
They can have synergy, especially with C0 Hu tao
@digeon6465
8 ай бұрын
sidegrade at most
@fourteenroads9738
8 ай бұрын
@@digeon6465 idk from my testing it feels like a pretty significant upgrade for c0 hutao. Unless it’s placebo. Anyway, from your tone I assume that you’ve seen some math so, mind sharing the file? Wanna check it out too
@sclom5676
8 ай бұрын
@@digeon6465no, it's a pretty significant upgrade.
@daiyas_3596
8 ай бұрын
Hu tao can easily do 200k plunge with yelan and furina. Shes strong for hu tao@@digeon6465
@psyk0oooo
8 ай бұрын
personally, i like seeing niche characters being strong options for a very few characters especially older ones feel like a W to me but i do undzrstand her flaws from a hardcore perspective
@opressora2436
8 ай бұрын
Jamie, it doesn't matter if the likes of Xiao, Diluc, Gaming and Hu Tao probably wants Furina, with or without Furina Xianyun is still a BiS support for them, Furina simply manages to work better there as well instead of Xingqiu for example, Xianyun doesn't NEED Furina in those teams
@benumbrardor8708
7 ай бұрын
Thanks for raising that issue about Furina. I was kinda close to pulling Xianyun, but I had forgotten i'm using marechausee Navia in a Furina team while I'm waiting to farm an echoing woods set for Navia.
@Regular.History
8 ай бұрын
bro hitting 250k plunges and call her mid. I think you got spoiled by r1 and constellations kek
@April2x
8 ай бұрын
I think you’re comparing her a bit unfairly here. Like sure Neuvilette doesn’t care about Xianyun but he also doesn’t particularly care about Furina. He cares a bit more about Furina than Xianyun ofc but his teams were insane even before Furina came out and a bunch of content creators and theorycrafters said that they were surprised that Furina didn’t actually end up elevating his best team very noticeably. Alhaitham as well, sure his quickbloom team with Furina is just beyond stupid with how fast and consistently it shreds through HP pools, but even with Yelan it's still a stupidly good team. Ayaka I remember you specifically talking about how it makes things clunky for her and how you prefer her old teams because of their easier and more flexible rotations and setups, I could be wrong tho. Hu Tao too, does not get any insane team upgrade from using Furina compared to her older teams and people still play VV vape or xq/yelan Tighnari from what I hear from Tighnari mains still prefer using his classic spread teams. Wanderer usually wants a shielder right? So it has some anti Furina synergies. Kokomi is a healer so she shouldn't be counted imo. Raiden first of all should work with plunges as well as Beidou but that’s beside the point and also I think a lot of people still prefer her rational and hypercarry teams with sara and bennett. So I think with all these characters having other viable options other than Furina, it makes using Furina with Xianyun not be as bad as you’re making it out to be. Especially for characters that plunging actually works for and they prefer a hydro that doesn’t need to be triggered on a normal attack. I think it would actually be better to use Furina in a team like that instead of putting her somewhere where Yelan or XQ could work just as well
@Theetis
8 ай бұрын
I've been having a lot of fun with plunge Shenhe (Xianyun, Furina + Chongyun). The icy quills + Xianyun's buffs coming together to buff Shenhe's plunges results in quite nice damage, and it's nice to have a team of characters that are all related to each other in some way (except Furina, she just got adopted I guess)
@lucklucky4658
8 ай бұрын
She bring new play style, and Fun to play, decent buff, her teams can clear abyss fast enough. Those are the things that matter, and Xianyun meets them all, MihoYo did well this time
@I.M.T.S
8 ай бұрын
I agree with your concerns regarding Xianyun. I will be pulling for her because I have C0R1 Xiao with 90/200, 140 Er also it be nice to use my C4R2 Diluc again. My Navia came with QiQi, so Xianyun is kinda free for me😅. Also, I feel like C0 Neuvillette has good teams outside of Furina comps, and because he is so busted even without Furina he feels strong. But I am not a speed runner so my thinking would be different than someone who is. Edit: So I pulled Xianyun with guaranteed pity but I needed one more Faruzan's con for C6. So I did one more 10x pulls and Keqing came with Faruzan.
@DiaborMagics
8 ай бұрын
Grats! Keqing is love, keqing is life
@stelixhyx808
8 ай бұрын
can you try keq fisch nahida with her if they are built. My keq team 1 mins the abyss and im pretty sure xy will be even faster
@I.M.T.S
8 ай бұрын
@@stelixhyx808 I'll take me 4/5 more days to level up Xianyun considering I don't visit others world for mats. I saw "Gatcha Gamer" showcased this team in his guide- kzitem.info/news/bejne/rIulq32Qi3eGf2k. I am also interested in this team so I'll test it once my Xianyun is Lv 90. My current favorite is Kazuha, Keqing, Fischl, Baizhu but I think Xianyun comp might come out on top in ST situation.
@bobjoe8858
8 ай бұрын
You are correct about all the caveats, but honestly I'm pretty damn impressed that she's allowing my Diluc to beat PMA by the 9:10 mark, whereas previously it took 8:50-8:55. And I'm a Xiao main so...
@jamiekb9v
8 ай бұрын
glad she works out well for you! especially being both a xiao and diluc player
@jarvis_kjellberg
8 ай бұрын
I am just happy that I can play my abyss with my viable dehya😅.getting 100k plunge with dehya is something I never imagined.
@ruuron6753
7 ай бұрын
I was expecting a Klee guide with Xianyun but seems it wont happen xD For me, Xianyun is amazing. She feels incredible for Gaming, Dliuc and Xiao, and many other characters feel good enough. She enables new teams that use a new way to deal dmg, which brings variety, even if it is not insanely powerful. For that I think she is extremely good and everyone who is not a new player should consider pulling for her. Also, as my only anemo healer (not counting Sayu...) she is pretty good with Furina, and she fits in almost every team where Jean does. Again, more variety.
@chimilicitypjm459
8 ай бұрын
Hutao section feels cope like u were just finding out whats wrong. She didnt need collision plunge to outdamage a c1 hutao. C1 hutao needs repositioning as well on new waves? Like what’s specific about plunge there? It’s literally all what hutao players have been playing around for years 💀
@hu9376
7 ай бұрын
I've been seeing a new "plunging Hutao" team w/ Furina and Xianyun floating around on youtube recently. Just wondering how that team compares to the original double hydro variant with Zhongli in terms of damage/ ease of use. Considering my Hutao is only C0, it might make sense to pull Xianyun for her plunging buff?
@jamiekb9v
7 ай бұрын
Zhongli team is still her most popular team due to the comfort and ease of use 👍
@huydinni
7 ай бұрын
If you have C0 Hu tao and enjoy the plunge play style and using her with Furina, then Xianyun is a good pull because it is an upgrade slightly better than C1 Hutao. IMO a good pull, as my C0 Hu tao got a huge upgrade with her.
@rainofkhandaq6678
7 ай бұрын
He have a non-answer so i'll ACTUALLY answer you, the Xianyun team is stronger, but it's up to personal preference as usual
@keralaplays1580
6 ай бұрын
Xianyun with VV artifact will give more damage
@LateefA519
Ай бұрын
You lied xianyun has proven to be one of the strongest supports in genshin despite their niche its insane how powerful they are.
@imperius3472
8 ай бұрын
You didn't really mention Hu Tao. Why is she in the "can take Furina won't care about Xianyun" tier? Hu Tao's previous best Furina team was with Jean and replacing dash/jump cancel with a plunge is better + with both Furina and Yelan/Xingqiu applying Hydro, the Vape inconsistencies should be better too, no? Edit: nvm you mentioned Hu Tao at very end.
@Gentraf
8 ай бұрын
yeah, and you can just use no plunges if it bothers you, she is pretty much same as Jean, but better for majority of players because you can guarantee her with 180 pulls, closer to 160. On my account I have Charlotte, who has almost same energy issues as Xianyun, if solo cryo, and Baizhu who can make some seeds for burgeon, which is probably ok. I would like to ask Jamie do I need or do I don't need dedicated healer with offensive benefits for double hydro Hu Tao Furina team, if I want to maximize Hu Tao potential, and I don't want to use Bennett because circle impact and swapping to only heal teammates has inbuilt skill issue potential for me, to be completely honest. Because with Xianyun you push the ult button = heal is good = you can forgor about healing issues, and then Jamie says Xianyun is underwhelming. If Xianyun is underwhelming, who isn't, that's my genuine question.
@imperius3472
8 ай бұрын
@@Gentraf yeah, true, many of my friends don't have Jean even when playing from release. Getting a Jean that can also do some pretty cool Plunge things is cool.
@Gentraf
8 ай бұрын
@@imperius3472 I understand that Jamie's perspective is more serious. If you are fine with fun builds and you know what you are doing it's completely fine to think of her as an amazing unit.
@anyanP
8 ай бұрын
One team that I’m planning to try and for which I have some hopes for Xianyun outside of plunge carries are Furina taser teams. Xianyun being both anemo catalyst and a healer look like a solid driver for something like Furina/Fischl/Yae
@John_II
6 ай бұрын
Good analysis. I got and built Xianyun mostly because I was desperate for a way to make my Diluc and Xiao better. My conclusion is that she definitely did that... but that level of investment shouldn't be needed to make someone viable (and not even necessarily optimal). Xianyun is fun... I just don't see using her in the Abyss much. We just had the plunge bonus in the last round and I didn't use her at all. I used Alhaitham Hyperbloom and Ayato Vaporize instead and cleared no problem (not 36*... it was either 29* 30*... sue me, I'm a scrub). So make of that what you will.
@jamiekb9v
6 ай бұрын
yeah I've noticed many players over time have said they disliked this vid at first but started to agree with this vid over time. she's still pretty awesome in the overworld for movement! which i didn't cover in this vid.
@John_II
6 ай бұрын
For sure,@@jamiekb9v ! She's great in the overworld. I'm running around with Xianyun, Bennett, Furina, and Kazuha, and I don't even have to look at where the enemies are to group them, and then vaporize/swirl them.
@KragV
8 ай бұрын
This has nothing to do with Xianyun but I'm curious as to why in your tierlist at 3:20 it says Yae doesn't care about Furina. I've been using the two together (+Baizhu) with great success but maybe I've been wrong this whole time and I should just go back to using Kazuha in the much less fun pure aggravate team. Thanks.
@mickysaif
8 ай бұрын
it's a good team but she doesn't necessarily need furina because pure quicken or chevreuse teams are way better for her
@jebx7801
8 ай бұрын
@@mickysaifidk about way better, but she's definitely not reliant on Furina for most of her teams
@sycamorewest
8 ай бұрын
Good stuff Jamie! Your criticism are well earned given your track record even though I will still be down bad / interested in her new playstyle
@Darren-it8nb
8 ай бұрын
I mean you can play both neuvi, furina together and xianyun , furina together. You don't need to set a fixed team comp like you only have to play 1 team for furina like you can use her repeatedly in the abyss
@dominikceron9746
8 ай бұрын
I pulled xianyun just because I love diluc and I really want to make him work. And she seems perfect for him.
@jomyneko
8 ай бұрын
Her buff is actually freaking massive. Its also tied with her passive. Diluc can go from a 57k plunge to 90k plunge with xianyun buff, theres a few videos pointing out how to make her be a very good character to have
@chimilicitypjm459
8 ай бұрын
Exactly. Funny thing about her downside is she’s a support that needs another support. That’s exactly what furina is…
@Forakus
8 ай бұрын
Ever heard of Bennett
@shonenhikada9254
8 ай бұрын
No it's really not. I know you are a mihoyo snake oil salesman trying to sell your latest product but she's a disappointment.
@lastorderx20001
8 ай бұрын
@@shonenhikada9254crying for 1 months and still Mr. Redditor?
@KadaEklund
8 ай бұрын
@@shonenhikada9254 seems like skill issue
@chronopolize_jp
7 ай бұрын
True her teams are a bit clunky but i dont mind playing for the crazy pop off when it does work.
@liyrical
8 ай бұрын
people always look for meta videos for new releases then take those opinions so personally lol. thanks for the vid jamie! i enjoy your more gameplay-centric approach to character guides vs just pure number crunching
@oatmeeru
8 ай бұрын
4:07 how you synced up your "but" with the xianyun demo is super cute
@Rogerr27
7 ай бұрын
Hutao actually gets a damage increase when used with xianyun
@petrenko_o
8 ай бұрын
I almost have all characters, but still it's a shame your video popped up just after I got her. She is ok with some charachters, but I guess it was better to skip. Keep it up, you don't need to be positive if character is mid.
@hawkeofsteel
7 ай бұрын
Hu Tao in "won't care about Xianyun" is deranged bruh.
@wilburforce8046
6 ай бұрын
For hu tao simps no she didn’t care. Her other teams are still faster.
@hawkeofsteel
6 ай бұрын
@@wilburforce8046It lets Hu Tao have an actually good Furina team, and makes C0 Hu Tao nearly as good as C1, how she doesn't care? The only better team is VV Vape with Kazuha which outside of speedruns is a team that requires good ping and very tight rotations, and basically cope af with multiple enemies. Sounds like those that didn't bother to try out Xianyun with Hu Tao are spreading some bs around but whatever, genshin community is not something I'll lose my time with.
@wilburforce8046
6 ай бұрын
@@hawkeofsteel My brother in Christ hu tao Furina Yelan jean still gets faster clears what are you yapping about. Actually talk to some Tao TC’s and speedrunners. There’s a reason Jamie wasn’t that impressed. Xianyun is cool for c0r0 Taos not her hardened mains.
@hawkeofsteel
6 ай бұрын
@@wilburforce8046Jean literally gives you nothing except some frontloaded fanfare stacks, if you wanted to use Jean, Xianyun can pretty much do the same but is able to carry TTDS, so what's the point? Speedrunning with the Furina variant when you could just use Kazuha/Sucrose on hyper variants? And even if we are talking about Hyper Investment with cons, Jean would only get worse, C2 Furina doesn't need as much healing anymore, and C2 Xianyun offers a massive boost. This feels like nitpicking for the sake of it.
@wilburforce8046
6 ай бұрын
@@hawkeofsteel I used the Jean team of an example of how easy it is to beat a xianyun team. The core is just slow. Furina Yelan Bennet is even better at beating it. I’m not nitpicking lol your on paper arguments mean nothing when c1 hu tao just gets faster clears then xianyun teams because of how much faster she puts out damage. C1 is not hyper-investment btw you crazy.
@leodasal670
8 ай бұрын
Bro i pulled for Xianyun and you are absolutely right. I kinda regret getting her. Sadly I found this vid late.
@positivelyno
7 ай бұрын
I got her early on 50/50 and I'm actually pretty happy about it. Between the 15% gliding speed and extremely quick traversal over all sorts of terrain, she is now the best exploration unit I've got and its not even close. It feels great exploring the new zone with her.
@mikofanboy9711
8 ай бұрын
I would say Keqing and on field Yae gonna love her Since plunge doesn’t have icd and aggravate love that (and Fishcl A4 also)
@sweatymobilegamer784
8 ай бұрын
??? She's a significant and obvious downgrade to Kauzha/Sucrose in aggravate. Only plus is her healing if you're not playing Baizhu/Kirara.
@simonditomasso9868
8 ай бұрын
@@sweatymobilegamer784 is she really a significant downgrade though? swapping baizhu for nahida is a big increase. Why are mfs pretending as if you HAVE to play healers with furina, healers weren't all just unusable before furina...
@mikofanboy9711
8 ай бұрын
@@sweatymobilegamer784 let just use the highest dps aggrevate team Keqing/Cyno/Yae - Nahida - Kazuha - Fishcl Yes, In theory Kazuha or even Sucrose is superior However with the new abyss priorities boss with high hit, a sustained healer or shielder is now more need than ever You don't want to replace the 2 Electro character (especially Fishcl), that leave you with only Kazuha/Sucrose and Nahida Personally unless you run Cyno (which I didn't say in the original comment) Keeping Nahida and repace the Kazuha/Sucrose is much better
@rz3264
8 ай бұрын
Alhaitham also works well with her too.
@sweatymobilegamer784
8 ай бұрын
@@simonditomasso9868 Yes, yes it is. Due the lack of incentive to plunge, we can ignore that part of it and just look at the rest of XY's kit. None of this has anything to do with Furina lmao. All anemo options can carry VV, but both Sucrose and Kazuha allow for faster swirl setups and- more importantly - more frequent chances to do so. Especially given that Kazuha (and to a lesser extent Sucrose) can provide additional electro app, swirling is just going to feel that much worse with XY when you have Nahida's E procs to keep track of. Their buffs are significantly more potent. First thing I want to say regarding this is that any offensive catalyst you put on XY, Sucrose can carry and probably better utilize. A C0 Kazuha has his A4, which is a significant boost to ALL damage dealt by your electro units, who, and this is the most important part, contribute the large majority of team DPS at a baseline. Sucrose offers a more potent EM buff to all aggravated hits of similar overall strength to Kazuha's A4. Most important of all, Kazuha specifically has force CC. Sometimes, this doesnt do anything. Other times, this alone makes a WORLD of difference. C0 Nahida is simply not as much of an offensive gain as a proper anemo buffer. If you have to give up one for healing/defensive utility, you ALWAYS downgrade the dendro slot.
@GlacierRain
8 ай бұрын
-being nice- no worries no one is canceling you haha 😂 honestly though negative opinions are needed and I happen to be on the fence too.
@Coolguysup
8 ай бұрын
It’s always nice to hear the positive and negative perspectives, especially for newer or ftp payers.
@alexoceanmeow
8 ай бұрын
I want her eventually but I'm skipping her this time like I did with Navia (kinda regret but I did secure my Raiden who I didn't have yet lol). Thank you for putting out an actual video about her because I was wondering about the plunge mechanic. Everyone seemed too hyped about her and that worried me.
@jessevirieux5167
8 ай бұрын
putting hu tao in wants/can take furina and won't care about xinyuan is just wrong on so many levels 💀💀
@archzillla
8 ай бұрын
She does about what you'd expect, she enables plunge playstyle & buffs plunges. That just isn't very useful for most characters as it turns out.
@luxhyashah8190
8 ай бұрын
I found her pretty fun with c0 Hu Tao (the plunge seems about as clunky as jump cancels lol) but I still mostly play her in mu Xiao team. My Xiao has never done so much damage. I also like playing different teams and I am just happy have a new team for hu tao and xiao. Great video as always. Love the content.
@chico_ua
8 ай бұрын
from stuff i played and liked are aggravate yae (yae fishl nahida cr) or you can just plunge on nahida is the same or slightly changed team cuz their NA are underwhelming and plunging makes you do more dmg, melt/vape rosaria (rosaria furina bennet cr), my fav thing is just to make any unit do 150k+ plunges just giving them pyro goblet. And 2 more things I wanna try later are quicken AlHaitham and Candace as a main dps (like real hydro dps and not cope versinons we had before)
@MrJayslayerjay
8 ай бұрын
So I watched this video right away and then watched a couple of other videos from some other people. Came back to say this video is great and doesn't sugarcoat anything. I think your take is way better than a lot of the other ones I've seen.
@jamiekb9v
8 ай бұрын
thanks I appreciate it! although its still only day 1, theres things I could be right/wrong about and vice versa with other content creators. I'm open to changing my thoughts, only time will tell 😅
@MrJayslayerjay
8 ай бұрын
@@jamiekb9v hey even if you are wrong on some stuff you're not telling everyone she's the greatest character ever. Seen a lot of she's creating all these people's new best teams.
@minecraftmonki3097
8 ай бұрын
I’m getting her so I can run her in aggravate with Nahida lmaooooo, she’s a defensive option that lets me jump around for fun 🙆♂️
@marxismpotato
8 ай бұрын
I've seen so many people parroting how she'll easily guarantee anywhere between 80k-100k DPS for different HT/Diluc/Xiao teams, and I've just been immensely skeptical at how consistently those teams will be able to reach those thresholds. Thankfully, it looks like you've very clearly pointed out why these teams won't be as consistently good as the charts suggest. I honestly don't really know why people still treat pre-release DPS calcs as gospel, *especially* for characters like Xianyun, who very clearly was going to have issues with swirl setups, energy, along with how consistent her teams will be able to vape/melt, how her buffs would scale in AoE and so on. Don't get me wrong, regardless of these issues she's still very good for Xiao/Diluc/HT/Gaming, but 100k DPS with a full C0 team good? I don't think so. Other than that, banger video as always. I love how you always make sure to playtest the teams you're TCing, and point out any issues in playtesting.
@sephysycotic
8 ай бұрын
I used 20 fates on her banner just for faruzan..end up with C1 gaming and C1 faruzan...
@rifarira9160
6 ай бұрын
What if instead of benny i use yelan for Diluc team? Its seems like faving every plunge is much better than faving every other plunge.
@treysmith9371
8 ай бұрын
Bennett, Hu Tao, and Raiden all work really well with Xianyun in double hydro and they all utilize the plunge enabling/buffs
@episode4882
8 ай бұрын
Except Raiden doesn’t benefit from the plunge buff
@treysmith9371
8 ай бұрын
@@episode4882 she doesn’t benefit nearly as much as others but since she can jump cancel in her combo instead of dashing she can still get some use out of it. There’s a few showcases of this team out there and while it may not be a dps increase (pretty hard to test especially in aoe so it’ll probably take some time) it’s definitely competitive
@episode4882
8 ай бұрын
@@treysmith9371 idk what ur on about, Raiden literally doesn’t get the plunge buff from Xianyun, she can plunge yes, but her plunge won’t be buffed And by plunging and doing less NA during her burst, you will sometimes fail to charge up your teammates’s burst if they have low ER
@treysmith9371
8 ай бұрын
@@episode4882 I’m talking about her getting the ability to plunge. That by itself is actually pretty good and it doesn’t make a major difference in the amount of NAs you’re able to get off. Worst case scenario you may need closer to 275 ER rather than 250 or maybe engulfing but from what I can tell it doesn’t seem like an issue at all.
@erronblack3462
8 ай бұрын
i was dissapointed with her until i tried her out today. with furina c6 faruzan and bennet she clears abyss faster than my aggravate alhaitham. Im very impressed with the damage she can do.
@puffyj9438
7 ай бұрын
before i watch the whole vid. ofc plunge isnt good by itself. nothing is really. add a couple buffer characters and a c0 diluc or c0 Ga-ming + a hydro enabler then you got an op team. you shouldnt start off a video with negatives like shes not strong by herself. shes a really great character, shes the first actual plunge enabler/support besides the goofy "Dragon Strike"(that no one cares about) shes a mid range healer, not only is she a plunge enabler but she also buffs it. also have you tried exploring with her or doing dailies? its fun to jump around the way she does. Do you really need to pull for her?? no ofcourse not. the hardest content in the game can be ran thru like nobody's business with a team of Sucrose Xiangling Bennyboy and Xinqui. pull for her if you want tho. i know i did cuz i liked her design and jump mechanic. had her maxed at level 90 talent level 9, 9, 9 first day and love her. Edit... this post was just my 2 cents lol. also have you seen Hu Tao plunge team with Xianyun. it kinda competes with diluc plunge team. massive dmg, Play for Fun guys not for Meta!!!
@originmaple
8 ай бұрын
Great breakdown!
@jamiekb9v
8 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@kaz_araya7960
7 ай бұрын
Man, I'm a new player and just hit AR 40. I decided to pull her because "Hey, my first 5 star. She seems fun." Then YT just recommends this to me is just depressing. Considering how tedious the grind is for pulls and mats, i may have just wasted a few pulls 😔
@keyzzz9798
7 ай бұрын
She is pretty good + a healer, there are other reviewers who praise her highly, dont be discouraged friend 👍
@kaz_araya7960
7 ай бұрын
@@keyzzz9798 I chose to ignore the negative reviews and just enjoy her. I mean she's hitting 5-6K with her skill despite being barely even built.
@keyzzz9798
7 ай бұрын
@@kaz_araya7960 Get her to level 70 (which will unlock her second passive) she will do some serious dmg by then for the content that you're at 👍
@maxwu4145
7 ай бұрын
Shes good. but not for newer players i would say. Her purpose is to make existing meta teams even better. such as double hydro hu tao
@pyronado4320
7 ай бұрын
She's more of a late game player's toy but I wouldn't worry about anything said here because it only applies to high levels of play
@asrissa6917
8 ай бұрын
i liked her at first but after all the change and after the company shitty treatment i quit the game all at once and now happy playing a new game
@wellwellwell881
8 ай бұрын
Pretty much as I expected. Personally I like plunges so I'll be pulling her for fun and her design, but I'm only going to gamble a 50/50. Won't be terribly upset if I miss, especially if I can snag a Dehya constellation.
@thomaskennedy5728
8 ай бұрын
Furina+xinyuan is good for everyteam where furina+jean is good. If you don't got jean like me then she pairs well with furina.
@kasjon5835
8 ай бұрын
at 2:19 you have a speedrun list? do you have a link to that whole doc I can look at?
@jamiekb9v
8 ай бұрын
oh sure, check the description from my vid here kzitem.info/news/bejne/qZiZtY5moZSLh6g
@rim-1or4wr1y
8 ай бұрын
Just a show of hands.. how many of you will not spend during 4.4?
@imadaga69420
8 ай бұрын
We're nearly 4 years in to the game. I think its about time we embrace niche supports like Shenhe, Baizhu and now Xianyun. Newer players can save up for reruns of staple units like Nahida, Kazuha, Yelan while older players like myself can just focus on polishing our existing teams like Ayaka freeze, Nilou bloom and Xiao hypercarry. I expect Chiori to be the same as a niche support for Itto mono geo.
@jamiekb9v
8 ай бұрын
but I have made tons of videos on shenhe especially in the past when she was underappreciated and misunderstood
@jsk1429
8 ай бұрын
Do u really think it’s bad to point out that a 5star character is only a good dmg increase for aboyt 3-5 characters?
@polychromaa
8 ай бұрын
How is baizhu a niche support?
@imadaga69420
8 ай бұрын
@@jsk1429 i aint saying its bad. What im saying is its outdated to say that a niche support needing a preimum team is "underwhelming". Its not for everyone but its not "underwhelming"
@imadaga69420
8 ай бұрын
@@polychromaa quicken support.
@Dazaiburger
8 ай бұрын
I dont have furina can i replace her with xinqiu?
@ClayMatu
8 ай бұрын
Sure you can he's the og hydro after all. Just that if you want to do so for plungr teams, you will have to mix in normal attacks to trigger his hydro. Or could instead wait for furina rerun.
@Nanii_nani
8 ай бұрын
I have tried plunge tao with hu tao, xianyun, furina and xq/yelan/mona, and i gotta say, if you dont have c1 hu tao or homa and you have xianyun, this is the best hu tao team by a large margin, even if you have c1 and homa, its still the best, its just that c1 and homa's 2 passive just became useless although playing her with mona got me the highest personal damage on hu tao, the hydro app isnt that reliable cause i almost always miss vaping in the last two plunges (probaly skill issue)
@realityyy4047
8 ай бұрын
I never got Jean unfortunately, I really like Furina and I play a lot of teams that can at least theoretically work with plunge so I pulled at least for C0R1. Already have Nahida C0R2 anyways and I never felt like I really need cons.. I also want to try Xianyun with Hu Tao since I only have her C0R1 atm. If you don't have Jean but do have Furina, I think she's good value.
@treeleven3316
8 ай бұрын
Thoughts on kazuha/xianyun/furina teams? Kazuha technically a plunge character, and when furina came out I was playing a lot of furina/fischl/kazuha/noelle because electro-charge allows double swirl and Noelle works nicely w/ off field dps.
@jebx7801
8 ай бұрын
(unless whale) No real reason to, Kazuha's damage is all swirl and 2x anemo doesn't help
@jamiekb9v
8 ай бұрын
i've seen at high constellations kazuha 2 shotting hydro tulpa with plunges bilibili.com/video/BV1W7421T7ay
@treeleven3316
8 ай бұрын
@@jamiekb9v holy crap! That’s dope.
@nathanpapp432
8 ай бұрын
1. There are plenty of teams that dont use Furina. 2. Jean can never be guaranteed. There are probably lots of people who have Furina but dont have Jean and would like her.
@faerieinwonderland
8 ай бұрын
I personally got Xianyun for Xiao and exploration so I enjoy using her at the moment :)
@johnreydelatorre3450
8 ай бұрын
Maybe a good pull for unpopular DPS communities. They probably already pulled Furina for their unpopular DPS. I’m going Kleerov build 😅
@Oleg-xc6kr
8 ай бұрын
All im want understand: from my current team C2 Furina, Bennet, Kazuha, Xiangling are new one is upgrade/sidegrade/downgrade? PS anyway, spend all my pg for Nahida C2 this time.
@lynkkx
8 ай бұрын
i just got her in a 10 pull trying to get gaming, didn't know she healed so thats cool. her E is kinda fun and the whole enabling jump attacks for any character.. gonna clear abyss with her n some random team just for the fun of it.. luckily this games content is easy enough where u can still beat everything with meh characters
@Spookie24
8 ай бұрын
Personally I find her quite versatile. Even outside of enabling plunge she's still a great team wide healer, a VV shredder, a mobility unit, and a minor crowd controller. She's a consolidated anemo support with healing and sub dps potential. You can build her as sub dps and she still provides all of her supporting kit without compromising any benefits of running her.
@katacutie
8 ай бұрын
Completely agree. She does what she's supposed to in the 4-5 teams she works in, and she's kinda meh elsewhere. A sidegrade to Jean if the plunge buff isn't being utilized. I'm a bit bummed that such an amazing design was yet again relegated to hyper specific teams that I don't like playing (looking at you, Shenhe.)
@SelikBzdy
8 ай бұрын
Shenhe was the sole reason I became a cryo main even though I didn't like either Ayaka or Ganyu and had to wait 2 entire years for a new cryo dps. But hey, at the very least I had two options to choose meanwhile Xianyun is glued to Furina. So, if you like Xianyun and wany to clear with her, you need to have a specific limited 5 star in your team and also to like that 5 star. Just awesome.
@kaylafoxx41
8 ай бұрын
Wow, that mic upgrade from the last video of yours I saw.
@crowned2637
8 ай бұрын
dont feel bad for the review, I understand, I mean, I also love cloud retainer character, but i ll skip her for Arlecchino, because even I love Cloud Retainer, I cant see me enjoying Xianyun playstyle, yes, she s pretty and beautifull, but nothing more. And again, I love cloud retainer, and I ll do fanarts of her, but I wont play her. Like Eula, I regret pulling her 100%, yes, she s waifu etc but i dont play her at all
@rapp8901
8 ай бұрын
i just hope she can revive my cyno plunging i will have her guaranteed 70 pity
@willquinn7875
8 ай бұрын
Shimenawa melt chongyun with xianyun, shenhe is the future!
@BMoser-bv6kn
7 ай бұрын
Ah, I don't understand your character selections here. Why so much attention on Diluc? Raiden is obviously a million times better - you use her elemental skill once and then you have massive free time to actually attack things. And she actually has more to offer than base damage with her attacks, unlike a certain red chicken guy. Why Bennett? Why three buffers that buff with their bursts? His +800 flat attack buff while sitting inside a circle is a net loss, versus actually actively using the buffs Furina and Xianyun already have up. It's a slot better used by Nahida or something - someone with massive uptime. Especially someone you can take a pass on using their burst whenever it's up. If you don't want to use VV, even just generic +36% atk sets (which all of us will have tons of Gladiator artifacts for) is better than Song of Days Past. Her flat damage buff for team plunges scales off of attack, and support Xianyun can't be massively bad if you go all-in on Attack. +9,000 damage that can be increased by crit dwarfs what Bennett provides. Scaling up to nine plunges, versus a few attack bursts for Bennett... (I still wouldn't recommend +36% atk. Use VV. Anything that disintegrates immediately before she gets a chance to swirl isn't something you need to deal more damage against. There's no reward in overkilling ants. And of course like every Anemo character, resist shred gives additional value if you have more than one character that uses the same debuffed element.) I think too many people look at a gimmick and get too wrapped up in it. She won't make a bad character good. You should still use good characters. You should still only use one healer on a team. Bennett is not literally Jesus, the character roster has been expanded since launch. He's just a guy that adds some damage with some healing, and damage numbers are apples to apples. A turret is added damage, too. ... pff, Diluc. The man's entire being is weaker than a Gouba. Even something stupid for this situation like Physical Fischl with a Compound Bow and Pale Flame would do a better job. Anyway, don't get lost in the weeds is all I'm trying to say. Besides my daily dose of Diluc bullying.
@thebrigade7684
8 ай бұрын
Healers are just cursed tbh none of them seem to be fitting to pull for at all atleast they tried something unique with her though jstern25 and zajef are pretty satisfied with her.
@Amateur_Ambiance
8 ай бұрын
I was deciding if I should pull for her or Clorinde since I can only afford to risk pulling for one character for the time being. The demo left me leaning towards Clorinde.
@I.M.T.S
8 ай бұрын
As of now there is no eta for Clorinde. She should not be arriving for next two or three patches.
@nihilnothings000
8 ай бұрын
Damn, this is the first time I've seen you be this hard on a character, hopefully she'll find a place in the meta soon though.
@mickysaif
8 ай бұрын
she is meta but only for those 3 characters
@Kozmo-Kamuy
8 ай бұрын
You don't need Bennett use yelen
@TunaHorns
8 ай бұрын
Honestly, I was hyped when I first saw her leaks, a grouper + healer would be very nice for Furina and I was excited to see if I could actually use Furina + Ayaka effectively. Then they took her grouping out and killed my ayaka furina team, I still ended up pulling for her since I am Jeanless, at least I like her design and animations, also, for the little time I had her, her playstyle seems fun. Also, I got her in 3 singles at 40 pity guaranteed, so at least I didn't spend much on her.
@ElTestok
8 ай бұрын
Any thoughts on Cloud Retainer supporting a C6 Kazuha DPS?
@jamiekb9v
8 ай бұрын
Yes. Watch this, kazuha can beat chamber 3 in 2 vape plunges bilibili.com/video/BV1W7421T7ay
@hiro_444
7 ай бұрын
2:11 You should've played the amongus sound effect on that one😂😂, missed opportunity bro
@Marta1Buck
8 ай бұрын
(pity 59) 30 pulls: 1 nahida, 1 yaoyao, 1 fav great, 3 noelle. And I already had ger c6 before. Hoyo hated me.
@MRLawrence99
8 ай бұрын
I wonder if you can replace Xianyun with Kazuha with C6 Gaming and how the rotation changes.
@poochycosme
8 ай бұрын
You can do that, you need to make sure to VV pyro though but it is also good
@insar21
8 ай бұрын
thank you for such a detailed critical review... these "it changes everything" opinions with which KZitem is filled tired me
@sumbunniii8721
7 ай бұрын
I thought raiden was one of her best teams? Since raiden is battery and can plunge
@planetary-rendez-vous
8 ай бұрын
I mean Sayu is bootleg Jean, I built her and she does her job, soo Xianyun is entirely superfluous tbh. TTDS ? Well how do you mean the ER requirements then...
@adis.g6569
8 ай бұрын
Real nice for exploring, for new accounts that have less anemo
@CRANEREVIEWS
8 ай бұрын
No plunge Wanderer testing? awww :(
@carlosx8603
8 ай бұрын
Plunge Wanderer sounds weird cuz it means never using his E which buffs him.
@CRANEREVIEWS
8 ай бұрын
@@carlosx8603 cursed meme build, but still curious how it would show itself xD
@Zarya.
8 ай бұрын
I think raiden and hutao can also use xianyun. But then again you can make the same tierlist for who wants kazuha and find that its only a few selected characters and 2 of them being raiden and ayato, who have a lot of other teams that just don’t want kazuha, like hyperbloom, rational or for ayato burgeon with bennett+xiangling, hyperbloom or nilou teams. And all that to say, kazuha is kinda just an ayaka/linney/neuvilette support if we are talking about characters who he is a definitive upgrade for and thats not all that much. Thats just how genshin is nowadays, a lot of characters, however her plungeattacks look very fun (Also there is childe but i left him out because sucrose exists, even though kazuha is a dps increase its like a 2-3% diff so im not counting that)
@jamiekb9v
8 ай бұрын
honestly if i did that for kazuha it would look closer to the opposite 😅 and he has been a huge upgrade for childe compared to sucrose except for this current tulpa abyss
@sweatymobilegamer784
8 ай бұрын
It's mostly just nicer setups/grouping at C0. He's hardly an upgrade for Childe in single target. Yes, we'd pick Kazuha if we could only have one, but I'm just sayin.
@phorealthistime6165
8 ай бұрын
@@sweatymobilegamer784sucrose only looks better on paper. There r multiple cn internqt cups and sucrose users dont even come close
@sweatymobilegamer784
8 ай бұрын
@@phorealthistime6165 So maybe read my comment again.
@phorealthistime6165
8 ай бұрын
@@sweatymobilegamer784 yes u stated his strengths over her. But we have multiple in game footage where kazuha just absolutely outclears sucrose. This wouldnt be a "hardly an upgrade"
@CRANEREVIEWS
8 ай бұрын
"be nice to me" ARA ARA
@Progeusz
8 ай бұрын
I'm actually not convinced if she will be that good for Xiao. Xiao already has strong teammate options in Faruzan, Furina, Bennett, Zhongli. Xianyun directly competes for slot with Bennett as a buffer/healer. Is she really an upgrade over him? Her buff is single target only which means she loses lots of value in aoe, her healing is weaker, she doesn't help with shield breaking as much. Do you really want your Xiao team to have 3 anemo characters? That's quite limiting. And there's no way you would kick out Faruzan. Jean stacks Fanfare for c0 Furina a lot faster than Xianyun while if we were talking about c2 Furina, Bennett's healing should be enough for her, it doesn't matter if remaining 3 characters stay at half hp for whole fight.
@jamiekb9v
8 ай бұрын
She probably is an upgrade generally. But bennett's big advantage is u can just press Q and be done in 1s compared to cinematic animation times of Xianyun. so there may be future content where the faster setups are actually more optimal even if theoretically less DPS. In fact even the current abyss Xiao uses bennett+xl, not furina, but that one is obvious due to the tulpa. Still, who can say for the future. Bennett is still omega strong
@destructo3457
8 ай бұрын
Nah.
@KikoMakai
7 ай бұрын
excellent video. Thanks for all the information :)
@white4770
8 ай бұрын
Ayato k plunge with her . Mr Zajeff77 did it 😂
@moomooha234
7 ай бұрын
C0 hu tao with xianyun now outdamages C1 hu tao according to IWTL, so that's interesting I guess.
@Doobydoe
7 ай бұрын
Just a heads up, she gets close to Hu Tao with C1 and Homa but IWTL is not a theory crafter and not a reliable source of info and his videos are dismissed by theory crafters because his showcases are manipulated to show the characters that he likes in a better light than the others. Kqm, Jstern, TGS and Zajef are the ones you wanna go for when it comes to meta info
@moomooha234
7 ай бұрын
@@Doobydoe yeah I added "according to IWTL" bc he's not a theory crafter and to take it with a grain of salt. I wasn't exactly sure how the damage compares, but it's interesting bc it can alleviate the need for c1.
@thebrigade7684
7 ай бұрын
He TC id it or just a literal guess? Jstern25, tgs, zajef, wfp discord tc have all ended with the conclusion of 5N1CAJP = 10n1CAD the exception starts when Hu Tao is already C1 and Furina as well C1. Then the latter is better
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