Who is WRONG between these two videos? (A from Flukemaster) kzitem.info/news/bejne/tG971KGwhXejnWk or (B from Johnnie Candle) kzitem.info/news/bejne/o4-trWevcZGbhpg
@Bassniper
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Mostly all on spot, however when Flukemaster started to say “heavy action”, the confusion started. Heavy/Light are descriptors for power not taper or action.
@DK77201
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@@Bassniper Flukemaster's fast action rod seems to have the point of maxima curvature closer to the tip than that of the moderate action rod. This is consistent with your definition of rod action stated @8:45. As a result, the moderate action rod gets bent to a lower position than the fast action rod under the same weight. On the other hand, the points of maxima curvature on Johnnie Candle's three rods (different actions but identical power), under the same weight, seem to be more or less the same or very difficult to judge where they are. But it is the extra fast (fastest) action rod that gets bent to the lowest position than the two slower action rods. This is contradictory to Flukmaster's rod graph. How can this be if both are right? Intuitively, if I need to bend a rod so much more to exert the same amount of force than the other rod. I would call the rod that needs to be bent more a slower rod. Thank you so much for making the video. I really like to know what you think. Thanks again!
@Bassniper
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The XF rod in the Candle video "bends to the lowest point" -- this "lowest point" is a measurement of how far the rod tip deviates from its original position (or from the extension axis of the butt section which was not bending), this is how we usually tell if a rod is "soft" or "stiff", however not how action is defined. Location of maxima curvature is how action is defined. However, in fact, how much a rod bends, or how much the rod tip deviates from its original position, is a combined effect of load (or more accurately, the load the rod is bearing relative to the rod's power) and action. When more load is added onto an extra fast action rod, the tip will bend more (deviate from original position), as can be seen in my video, this is because the starting point of bending (not maxima curvature) shifts toward the butt section under increasing load. Meanwhile, the entire tip section is also bending "more" due to increased load, making the rod tip shifting even further from its original position. However, the maxima curvature, or where it bends most, does not shift significantly under load. On the other hand, the slower the action, the more the rod tip deviates from original position, just imagine you force the rod to bend with only one hand holding close the top section (let's say 10 inch from tip) vs close to the middle section (say 20 inch from tip), if 3 degrees of bend in the top will result in half inch movement of the rod tip, then the same 3 degree bending in the middle section will result in 1 inch tip movement. So load and action together dictates how much rod tip moves from original position, and when we look at the bending curves without reference, it could be hard to catch the maxima curvature without allowing the rod tip deviation distance being the actual criterion for our eyes. If Flukemaster and Candle both align the rods against a straight reference, it will be much easier to see. This is basically what I did using the green screen. Hope this helps.
@DK77201
Жыл бұрын
@@Bassniper You made really good points. Thank you for the detailed reply. Distinguishing the two concepts of starting point of bending and the point of maximum curvature really helps in trying to understand what's going on. However, in reality, no one can do these kind of testing before buying a rod, in particular, when choosing between rods of the same power and action labeling but from different manufactures. As often stated, there is no consistent definition for these labeling. Some advices on what people can actually do in a store before buying probably can be helpful to many. In any case, thank you for making these videos. You probably are the best on KZitem in terms of explaining the mechanics, physics and the technical details of fishing. Thank you.
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