It’s so weird observing greek life from a working class viewpoint lol one of their handbags alone would’ve covered my entire trade school tuition. I’m guessing there isn’t much top ramen in the sorority house pantry.
@anonymousone9699
Жыл бұрын
Lol, your comment needs to be pinned. It’s so unreal that I’d shell out $10K plus, to be potentially sexually harassed or abused. And most importantly, to live with people who actually live the true racist life in their little white girl college house. 10K is about how much im paying for my college entire degree in Canada. So bizarre. Us the working class really cannot begin to relate.
@user-hl1ip7if9r
Жыл бұрын
SAME. I worked three jobs in college while my parents worked 70+ hour weeks. Seeing stuff like this makes the class divide more transparent
@sewgeekdesigns9113
Жыл бұрын
And half don’t even graduate and the ones that do end up married after graduation….
@BeautyAnarchist
Жыл бұрын
@@anonymousone9699 Another Canadian?
@anonymousone9699
Жыл бұрын
@@sewgeekdesigns9113 hahahaha that’s exactly right. Are you familiar with Betty Friedan? She’s a feminist write who talks about their plight with identity crisis. I suppose nothing is truly ever just one thing.
@Rikiid_
Жыл бұрын
My sister is an only black girl at a white sorority at UA and I feel bad for her cause the pictures look like Get Out🥴
@Rikiid_
Жыл бұрын
What's crazy is she was dead set on being an AKA!
@courtney9107
Жыл бұрын
Wow, I’ll never understand why some of us choose the white orgs when the D9 exists
@thecrimsoncure8201
Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂
@afterwards8233
Жыл бұрын
Well, have you tried to understand?@@courtney9107
@Nadia-jk5jw
Жыл бұрын
@@courtney9107Prob bc white fathers have institutional/systemic power, so befriending “elite” white women in sororities gives BW access to a new pool of resources
@starzzzy22
Жыл бұрын
That HBO documentary was boring, but kinda eye opening. To see young women hiring rush consultants was a whole new concept to me. I also still cannot understand why women of color want to rush because it's REALLY clear who benefits from membership in those sororities.
@moonlightauras1
Жыл бұрын
I mean, we all know those women of color who grew up in "racially neutral" environments where the nuances of racism were not taught to them, so they move through the world oblivious and constantly perplexed when they run into racism that is directed at them; even when it is blatant. It certainly was a frustrating documentary for that reason, among many.
@prtdiva
Жыл бұрын
Black woman here (mid 30s now) who joined a predominantly white sorority in 2005. My experience was a little different than what was shown here. Like you mentioned, I grew up in a racially diverse community and went to school with kids from everywhere. However, I was never confused about being Black. I was just a social butterfly. I actually wasn’t familiar with white Greek life and had no intention of rushing. However, one of my good friends that I knew before college was rushing. She was my only friend at the time (you rush your first few weeks in college). She mentioned that she’d be preoccupied the next few weeks with rush and I didn’t want to be left alone so I decided to rush too, but with the purpose of dropping out at the end. I just didn’t want to be bored 😂 However, going through the process was actually really cool and I had a great time! You feel like sort of a celebrity with the girls from different house trying to recruit you. They meet you out at parties. Get your drinks. Introduce you to other people on campus and you get a glimpse of what life will be like if you join a house. So I was hooked! I joined the most sought after house on campus (our college was a small private college so we only had 5 houses to choose from). Once I joined the house the older girls who are “courting me” kind of went away. I then realized it was all an act to get me and other “top choices” to join. Even though that sucked I made some really good friends from the girls in my rush class (the equivalent of your line sisters in D9 sororities). Two of the girls are still my best friends till this day and I’ve been in their weddings. So it wasn’t all bad. I’m grateful for the experience. Not sure if I’d do it again knowing how you’re trained to recruit girls but it was still a fun experience. My school was up north so rush wasn’t as intense as it is down south. It was a little more chill and a little more diverse (still predominantly white though). This bama experience is a different beast though. I definitely wouldn’t sign up for that. Just sharing my story to give insight as to how a Black girl might stumble into one of these houses 🤗
@RedElephant169
Жыл бұрын
@@prtdivaI appreciate this commentary and i think you should repost it on the main comments page because theres a lot of conjecture happening from people who have absolutely no idea what the black women in these groups go through. Its a lot of “black women gain nothing from this” and “black women dont get married like the others” and in just like…how do you know that though..?
@tylachad6102
Жыл бұрын
@@RedElephant169because just like she had a good experience, there are also many black women who did not have good experiences. She’s the exception to the rule
@RedElephant169
Жыл бұрын
@@tylachad6102 oh ok can you share a link to your findings?
@emilystromberg9417
Жыл бұрын
Bama is just one of those universities that have an image they want to uphold. Before I got accepted into the university. They asked me in my college application if my parents were still married and what my parents did for a living AND their job title within the company.
@plankton2507
Жыл бұрын
ew! and they wonder why “nobody wants to work hard” in this country… hard work isn’t valued - your family’s status is. status =\= merit. when will we learn…
@skinni_the_P00hBear
11 ай бұрын
Wow...those are some really personal questions. I don't remember those questions on the application; but then again, I don't even think I finished the application lol.
@crunchberrychaos1545
Жыл бұрын
Where I went, a certain few houses were considered the "Ugly Girl Sorority" because they accepted minorities.
@Mel-qs8wx
Жыл бұрын
:/
@leavemeal0ne378
Жыл бұрын
Well damn
@crunchberrychaos1545
Жыл бұрын
@@leavemeal0ne378 White and Floozy is what is prized in the Soroity world.
@career5690
Жыл бұрын
Ouch 😣 😓
@ruthied
Жыл бұрын
I’m an esthetician from North Carolina and I have a couple of caucasian girlies that are in college and are in sororities. The stories they tell me are mind boggling. I tell my girls not to lose themselves in that world but it’s like talking to a wall lol.
@ClayMastah344
Жыл бұрын
Wow! It’s hard when girls want to fit in 😢 not being sarcastic. I think their needs to socialize effect this
@ruthied
Жыл бұрын
@@ClayMastah344 no it’s really sad. And then there’s the whole SA conversations surrounding frat parties and events. Like I really worry about them, there’s a ugly side to this culture that’s not talked about often.
@nailinthefashion
Жыл бұрын
It shows to me how much we need to focus on new socialization programs. Not just clubs that borrow an empty room on occasion or frats/sors trying to profit but actually helpful environments to foster men talking about their feelings with men AND women, women finding community not based on looks, and so on
@sh0eh0rn4
Жыл бұрын
they are lucky to have your wisdom, because everyone else in their lives is telling them to keep their heads down and accept whatever comes their way.
@nailinthefashion
Жыл бұрын
@@sh0eh0rn4 periodttttt
@SimplyAliyahNicole
Жыл бұрын
Alot of the girls join to meet men also within the same social class or to move up a social class
@prettynpetty8342
Жыл бұрын
Bingo.
@plasticjesus444
Жыл бұрын
the MRS. degree 🙃
@autumnelizabeth533
Жыл бұрын
Nothing wrong with that unless you don’t want to partner with men within this demographic.
@sh0eh0rn4
Жыл бұрын
exactly. that’s the whole point of it. consolidate and contain the wealth.
@sh0eh0rn4
Жыл бұрын
@@autumnelizabeth533it’s a little more than that. it’s not about getting married just to get married. it’s an intentional power play to make sure that the man’s money stays in the social circle he comes from, so he has to marry someone a very specific group in order to keep the money and power where it has always been
@sh0eh0rn4
Жыл бұрын
this is such a fascinating topic. greek life isn’t going to see increased diversity because it’s one of the last places that generationally wealthy white people can control where their money goes when they die. greek life is one of the last great incubators of white generational wealth, so those gates will forever be locked tight. upper class white people send their kids to college with the idea of marriage in mind, as modern it’s a way to keep the wealth in between certain families. also, your point about white femininity is so key. marriage for women in those circles is access to power as long as they play their role, and they are trained to play that role from birth.
@NyaKuany
Жыл бұрын
you’re so right
@janesmart1958
9 ай бұрын
and to be honest, we as black people do not want to be apart of their sorority organizations because we have our own divine 9 sorority made by us for us and i rather just join and associate with them.
@joobcave
Жыл бұрын
The book “Paying for the Party” displays how sororities are only a good investment for those who are already well-off (it’s hard to keep up otherwise) and how college just reproduces class structures. Would recommend
@sh0eh0rn4
Жыл бұрын
a youtuber named Ashley Norton did a really good video about secret societies in Bama Rush, and she talked extensively about The Machine. the whole thing outlines the pipeline between greek life and direct control of political life in the south. I def recommend that if you want to dig deeper.
@kristinbracy5189
Жыл бұрын
As an Alabama native, I have to say this article completely encapsulates the hazy unspoken, southern cultural existence that keeps "traditions" flowing like mimosas and mint julep. It's not just the university culture either. The grooming, breeding, and marrying old money centered around Mardi Gras and pedigree is very must the cousin of fraternity and sorority life in its secret societies and unspoken segregation.
@MsJdennis12
Жыл бұрын
What you said about the cognitive dissonance that comes from trying to establish your identity and brand yourself simultaneously was PROFOUNDLY spot on. For sure can see this in the experience of child stars. Reminded me of Alyson Stoner’s new series Dear Hollywood where she’s breaking down just how problematic this is psychologically. It’ll be probably another several lifetimes before we fully understand how the profitability of personal branding impacts human development.
@justhearmeout3959
Жыл бұрын
Oof, Stoner's series is breathtaking. I wasn't a child star, but I find myself deeply relating to her content ❤
@littleeva
Жыл бұрын
I'm glad you mentioned that after graduation that all falls apart, especially with the White sororities. Yes, a lot of them are on their third marriage by forty...and also on their third of fourth face as well.
@terminatorx6230
Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@angelaburress8586
Жыл бұрын
But atleast they’ll get alimony and not just a child out the situation!!! I don’t hear anything but poor folk crying classism. It’s always the isms with black folks 🚩🚩🤷🏽♀️🤷🏽♀️💁🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️!!!
@DarlingRenaissance
Жыл бұрын
I screamed!
@leewhitaker538
Жыл бұрын
~ Nobody asks black sorority girls to get married.
@terminatorx6230
Жыл бұрын
@@leewhitaker538 that’s a lie
@Youokhun
Жыл бұрын
As an Irish person, I’m always perplexed by the whole sorority thing and the reactions of these women seem absurd 😳 why is it the biggest thing in life, I can’t even fathom the pressure to get in to college and to a house you want and all of that. Edit: in Ireland everyone in a college mix no matter what department they are in (like science, business etc..) and all go to the same events. I couldn’t imagine dealing with the BS of hierarchy and being excluded from an event because you aren’t in a specific group
@sh0eh0rn4
Жыл бұрын
there’s a specific reason: it’s how these young women are meant to build their futures. no matter what their degree, they are expected to find a husband who is in their social circle, and to carry on the wealth and power that their families have had since colonization. it’s not just being a part of a club. this is the purpose their bred for, as flag bearers for the continuation of white supremacy
@redmaple1982
Жыл бұрын
@@sh0eh0rn4 nahhh the upper class girls were always going to marry the upper class boys regardless of their entry into "Greek" Life. So much of this is about upper middle class strivers with an underdeveloped identity carrying on the cliquish nonsense of high school but with fees and $80 sweatshirts.
@RedElephant169
Жыл бұрын
Idk anything about Ireland but im 1000% sure theres something in your culture that people get excited about that we wouldn’t understand, it’s the same thing
@Youokhun
Жыл бұрын
@@RedElephant169 it’s not a cultural thing, it seems to be a rich person thing. Education is free in Ireland, so you don’t need to be rich or go into debt to get a college/university degree. Never mind say pay thousands for a sorority on top of it and spend years paying off debt after university. I don’t get why Americans stand for it, when they’ve so much money to make healthcare and university accessible to all, regardless of what you’re born in to.
@corndo9
Жыл бұрын
@@Youokhun yep you are exactly right. as someone who has lived most of my life in the United States, it is not some American cultural quirk, it's about some very particular race and class hierarchies and is entirely alien to even a lot of/possibly the majority of Americans
@cassenav
Жыл бұрын
"you have to be a specific kind of white person to move to alabama for college" cracked me up!! kimberly you are so funny
@quinntate8022
Жыл бұрын
As an Alabamian that went to the sister school 40 minutes down the road, yeah, this is a shock to none. I hate that baby girl was used to appease people. But if you know, you know. The price tag to be a part of that culture is often more than tuition at times. My roommate freshman year rushed, and she showed me the price list for the different sororities; it was over $1500 per semester. That was just the dues. Outfits, gear, hair, make-up, etc. made it over $3000 easy. I remember watching Shark Tank. The girls' company is called Frill Sorority Clothing, which does sorority event-curated outfits, from rush outfits to gameday outfits and weddings. Great business plan
@Rowan-mo4ko
6 ай бұрын
And who makes them
@Rhernandez2410
Жыл бұрын
Thank you Kim for posting here ❤️!
@nat_to_world
Жыл бұрын
While I’ve met people who’ve said they’ve had positive experiences in frats and sororities, any friendship/relationship were you have to “pay to play,” always seems suspect to me because the moment you aren’t paying, that’s the moment those people will leave you because you can’t pay enough to be apart of their club.
@llbearll
Жыл бұрын
im from the northeastern usa. one girl from my school who grew up in my area for her entire life was just one of those girls. as soon as she graduated she rushed at bama, the weirdest thing happened. on her tiktok during rush week, she suddenly had that southern exaggeration, spoke with that southern drawl. it was weird. we knew she didn't talk like that, but she literally filled the role so well. she has extremely wealthy parents and wears designer everything, new outfits for every event. she was always over the top, and now among the other sorority girls she doesn't even seem over the top. she fits in perfectly fine
@val4579
Жыл бұрын
sidebar but yeees! can we talk about how trash that bamarush doc was??? i feel for the woman with alopecia but why didn't she just make a doc about that instead? made no sense
@Deniseeee84
Жыл бұрын
Exactly I would have enjoyed that way more !
@jasmined9607
Жыл бұрын
It was garbage. Literally as a bama grad, i paused every now and then and talked about my experience as a gdi near it all.
@manonfireletsdrowsehim3205
Жыл бұрын
I have a theory. I think the school had something to do with it. She was supposed to talk about rush, the machine, etc, but when the news came out and the girls had the mics and got kicked out, maybe she had to scrap it and produce something else at the last minute and work with what she could, since she still had to go through with the documentary. I genuinely think it was supposed to be bigger, but the pressure of UA prevented the original filming (maybe). Another thing: maybe this was also me, but when UA made a statement, they seemed very causal about it?
@Earthgirlinthesun
Жыл бұрын
47:13 EXACTLY! There are so many things I could say about Bama Rush as a black girl who pledged Pi Phi in Missouri in 2004. It was WILD. There are a lot of circumstances that lead me there, but I had gone to an all-girls high school in Kansas City so all of my friends from high school went to this college and they were mostly in sororities. So I had a lot of help on the other side of rush, but once I was in… omg. It’s very strict and I thought we were there to party 🤣🤣🤣I got away with a lot because I was vice president of my pledge class… but I ultimately was voted out for violating a lot of the rules about talking about what house your in while on “social probation”🤣🤣🤣I was there to study journalism and my big mouth was not about all their secrets. Like sure, I’ll keep a silly tradition secret… but the extent of authority they felt they had over my life really speaks to the culture they perpetrate. I’m no secret society fan… I don’t think they do much good in modern society… but that’s another conversation… Missouri (as far as I know) did not have anything like the Machine but I could tell early on that SGA was really just an extension of Greek life, but I guess it takes a certain kind of personality to do well in both… I bet a lot of these old ass senators and governors are frat guys and sorority girlies😂unless they went to the Ivys in which case they’re truly like skull and bones ☠️🗝️
@Nooooooooooooooooooooo7913
Жыл бұрын
As a blck person from the northeast who went to a PWI in the northeast, I will NEVER understand the investment in these sort of things but I love learning about things from you Kim so I’m tuned in!
@sabrinastars1284
Жыл бұрын
Same, I go to a PWI in the Midwest and I just don't get it. It all looks culty to me
@moonlightauras1
Жыл бұрын
It's because their families and communities have instilled in them the idea that the returns via networking and career prospects will be an even greater return in the long run. And for many of them, it is true. Sororities and fraternities are institutions that groom young, rich, white people to uphold white supremacy in its highest forms. If it seems like a cult, it's because it is.
@mirandapontarelli5485
Жыл бұрын
In response to 25:00: Natural blonde who went to a big pwi state school. Sororities never held any interest because at 18 I was drowning in internalized misogyny, and I had no respect or admiration for girls my age. That being said, I grew a lot in college and had an amazing time. I had tons of friends, met the best women in the world who are my sisters as adults in our 30s, and never had to pay membership fees for the privilege. Just my student loans...
@Noir_Marie
Жыл бұрын
There is a really good podcast about a girl who disaffiliated and she gets into the politics of these sororities. It’s called Snapped
@moustik31
Жыл бұрын
Taking notes, thank you for the recommendation! Edit: the host name is Lucy Taylor.
@LoveAndSnapple
10 ай бұрын
That's crazy, I literally just downloaded that not too long ago!
@ginatinarina683
Жыл бұрын
You’ve spoiled us with an hour long video omg!! Thank you!
@TACo-281
Жыл бұрын
Grateful for it!
@cmg25
Жыл бұрын
Ya’ll leave these folks to their pills and divorces.
@tamarapowell8982
Жыл бұрын
😂🤣
@cherishoneal9108
Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂 valley of the dolls
@Bri-nc8yp
Жыл бұрын
I’m telling you!!! Like two months ago I was at work chatting it up with a black male nurse practitioner who is an immigrant from Africa and he told me to go into mental health. He sometimes will make house calls. He said when he started working he was amazed by the number of whites on Xanax and bunch of anti-depressants. Even in their nice houses. They can’t cope with anything. Any small thing arises and they can’t get out of bed for days and want to un-alive themselves. They don’t know what real struggle is. Not having nothing but despite it still fighting and making something out of your life. That builds character and resilience and that’s something they don’t know.
@cmg25
Жыл бұрын
@@Bri-nc8yp A sermon
@norikadolmy7274
Жыл бұрын
Contrapoints recently did a video about liminal spaces on her patreon. She discussed how nostalgia can be weaponized by reactionaries to get us to long fpr an idealized version of the past based on our childhoods. I think college nostalgia is no different. Its ok to be nostalgic but we need to still be nuanced about the past and still enjoy our memories while being critical of the social and historical contexts that existed
@TACo-281
Жыл бұрын
Social and historical context is so important. For some, the period of enslavement in this country was fine as long as you weren't one of the enslaved. 😒
@cmg25
Жыл бұрын
Aka longing for segregation and public lynchings. Don’t let the songs in the TikToks fool you.
@angelaburress8586
Жыл бұрын
This why black folks can’t get past a certain point 🧐🧐🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️!!! Leave them folks alone they’re parents give back to their schools so that their children can go and live their best lives in college!!!! While HBCU’s be out here stealing and begging simultaneously🤔🤔💁🏽♀️🤷🏽♀️🤷🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️🤣🤣🤣!!!!!
@MelissaThompson432
Жыл бұрын
29:00 the "neo-antebellum" article from NYT is painful in its portrayal of the Bama pseudobelle as a self-conscious imitation of womanhood.... They never said it in so many words, but the message is clear.
@gwenopt
Жыл бұрын
This documentary was a great opportunity to explore the history of sororities and fraternities and how they operate as and within institutions and all we got was a 5 sentence sum-up.
@whycaninotfindagood
Жыл бұрын
They would never reveal the real reasons for these groups. That would be telling on themselves 😂
@dariavision
Жыл бұрын
I went to the University of Florida in the late 90s … pre social media but the vibes were similar. The whole sorority thing weirded me out and I just didn’t understand it at all. I was born and raised in the rural northeast US and had no idea that world even existed before I landed on campus.
@EvolvingMama_
Жыл бұрын
Ironic timing. I was just thinking about the falsehood of camaraderie as an alumni of Alabama. Oh how I wish I went to an HBCU 😮💨
@GiAnna012
Жыл бұрын
same sis, thats my main regret about college
@dnycebushton5008
Жыл бұрын
same
@jasmined9607
Жыл бұрын
Girl we don't get anything as alumni. And I'm sick of those emails tho. No i don't want the insurance and will not update info either.
@EvolvingMama_
Жыл бұрын
@@jasmined9607 Seriously!! For the first time I responded to a networking event in DC this past summer. There was only a handful of us and we banded together of course. The event was held at a historic house where they had us mingling on the grounds of where they previously held slave auctions 😐
@jasmined9607
Жыл бұрын
@@EvolvingMama_ oh nooooo honey! The capstone can miss me with that. But yea i definitely feel you with the post grad camaraderie. I thought i was crazy cause i just dont feel anything towards the school at all. But then i'm reminded with experiences like that. It's messed up.
@user-hl1ip7if9r
Жыл бұрын
I come back to this idea of, "If someone is kind and contributes just as much or to the best of their ability, why wouldn't they be let in?". All too often it's because they couldnt pay dues (too poor) or didnt fit "what they were looking for" (white, thin, pretty).
@tobiesky2185
Жыл бұрын
Apparently dancing on an elevated surface is a deal breaker, according to the Bama Rush Reddit page? Good to know, I suppose…
@ntmediadgirl
Жыл бұрын
The last ten minutes of this was so powerful. I completely agree about how social media is used is soooooo different.
@emel3925
Жыл бұрын
Your smile while describing using digital cameras at parties in college is so infectious 😂🙌
@holigatis7588
Жыл бұрын
Having a rolex at 18 is a whole other world that I'll never know 😢
@tobiesky2185
Жыл бұрын
Lol I didn’t even know what a Rolex was at 18. If I had one, I probably would have accidentally broke it 😊
@Bibirallie
Жыл бұрын
Idk, I’m a big advocate that you should go where you are appreciated not tolerated. Black girls who don’t fit the mold or even just any girl, shouldn’t have to force to be included in these spaces. I actually think it’s pathetic of black girls or even bigger girls to demand to let be let in in these spaces.
@queenjasz7685
Жыл бұрын
My thoughts exactly!!!
@EbsSeven
Жыл бұрын
I agree with that. I personally think they should have their spaces just like we want ours. I personally don't feel comfortable in their spaces and that speaks larger on us being different and that's okay.
@nightlove5642
Жыл бұрын
Exactly what do they they will happen once they are accepted in after fighting to be let in.
@prtdiva
Жыл бұрын
Agreed. Which is exactly why D9 sororities and fraternities were created. Why fight to be somewhere you aren’t wanted?
@jaclyncartwright5186
Жыл бұрын
@@prtdiva However, it's not like D9 sororities were created to make sure every college aged or college graduate black woman has a sisterhood. D9 is very proud of the amount of people that are rejected. If these black women grew up in all white spaces, I"m not sure why they would think that an black sorority would be for them.
@c12486
Жыл бұрын
They may have Rolex’s but they still can’t move in time with the beat
@EasyA15
Жыл бұрын
Histler may have died but let's not act as if we havent adopted his ideals into the fabric of many societies. The different between most societies and Nazi Germany is how most arent as upfront and boisterous as they were with their ideas and ethics.
@prettynpetty8342
Жыл бұрын
The blondeness of it all should tell you everything. It's giving ubermensch tease.
@cross75man75
Жыл бұрын
And Histler* got most of his ideas on racial laws by studing the American racial laws in the south.
@rejectionisprotection4448
Жыл бұрын
@@cross75man75He did indeed. He even thought about adopting the "one drop rule", but decided against it, probably because too many Germans/Austrians had Jewish ancestry, maybe it even included himself.
@moustik31
Жыл бұрын
Exactly. The same "generation", who defeated Nazi Germany, went home to don KKK hoods and terrorise their Black neighbours. It's not talked about enough.
@nogodsnomasters6963
Жыл бұрын
@@rejectionisprotection4448 yes, AND, the nazis simply needed people to build their racist fantasy dream land world, so they were gonna kill people off in different stages. So they created an elaborate "race organization system" (based on the wildest fckn shxt like phrenology, already debunked BACK THEN) that classified people along, let's say, a continuum of "Aryan-subhuman". They made their racist system so that it benefitted them, with plenty of room for "exceptions" whenever it suited them
@lyn1.6
Жыл бұрын
Great video. They probably have more black people in their musical choices than they do in their sororities.
@t_ylr
Жыл бұрын
I have no idea if she rushed but I went to highschool with a very thin, pretty, well off black girl who went to Bama. She looks like a short Naomi Campbell 😂
@thecrimsoncure8201
Жыл бұрын
Actually, I'm friends with a couple of really pretty, thin Black girls who go to Auburn & University of Alabama. However, none of them rushed. 🤷
@moustik31
Жыл бұрын
She moved from Michigan to Alabama for college?! Is she a fan of Gone of the Wind or something?! That's not relatable to me. Edit: and yes, can we talk about the trashy documentaries trend?
@michellepittman7886
Жыл бұрын
It seems like it would have been more of a culture shock to a black student than a white student.
@DarlingRenaissance
Жыл бұрын
A lot of these girls apply to Alabama off of the strength of RushTok.
@_MeeYuh_
Жыл бұрын
17:14 this is very true !! It’s a certain type of girl . I witnessed this as a RA at Bama during rush week it was known as Suicide Week . They all had a similar look, style and attitude and those who strayed away from it were not selected . I was shocked to see a few cultures outside of the tradition get in.
@jcjc4363
Жыл бұрын
Tenn Vogue, of all publications, has been putting out important reporting for years.
@OurLadyLaLa
Жыл бұрын
As a graduate of a southern D1 PWI and white friends who were in these sororities and fraternities, I love these deep dives.
@MieyaOladipupo
Жыл бұрын
This is very interesting. It's like taking a peak into a different side of America that's literally down the street you never knew was real. In movies/TV? Yes! But I thought they were over exaggerating.
@prettynpetty8342
Жыл бұрын
I was just journaling about this exact thing yesterday and why I have a problem this particular type of "sisterhood".
@larose5028
Жыл бұрын
One of my main issues with it is how short-term it is. It’s essentially four years of paying all this money to be hang out with the “cool kids” and then once graduate comes they couldn’t care less. D9 organizations have their own issues but at least I can respect that they take joining their organizations as a serious lifetime commitment.
@reggietbh
Жыл бұрын
So glad I found your channel. You're brilliant and a breath of fresh air in online spaces satured with the same bs. This is the much needed content people need to be paying attention to.
@kimmiekimmxx2814
Жыл бұрын
Im 30 and sitting her like I forgot all about this "Greek" life😂😂😂. These social circles are great when ur young after that its a who cares.
@fuldalina7900
Жыл бұрын
I’m sitting here and can’t believe anyone would seriously watch these videos and find them cool, inspiring, aspirational. Do their parents think it’s cute?😂 these rush videos are so so cringe. But maybe I just feel that way because I’m a Black woman millennial from Germany 🫠
@larose5028
Жыл бұрын
I didn’t watch any of the docs/shows but I did watch some TikToks when Bamarush first blew up, and it’s like a bad joke. Everything about them seems so devoid of any substance or ability to think for themselves. It’s almost embarrassing to see grown women (especially black women) on TikTok getting so hype over these teenagers and buying a bunch of things to be like them.
@brooklyndecember
Жыл бұрын
Their rush is so different from BGLOs. I *PRAY* no one does any documentary on our process. It will be hell fire on social media. And we don't need it!
@RedElephant169
Жыл бұрын
@@brooklyndecemberspike lee already did it and yall def deserve and need all the smoke
@MrBlackretreat
Жыл бұрын
I love learning about this
@alishainc
Жыл бұрын
Kim wanting that little umbrella had me
@sarab3417
Жыл бұрын
Lmao me too
@DarlingRenaissance
Жыл бұрын
that’s why I watch! Let me load my Amazon cart. They find everything 😂
@Madameemerald9
Жыл бұрын
Speaking of Docs are you watching and reviewing “Time of Essence” about the creation of Essence Magazine by four Black Men back in the 70s?
@therobotdevil2284
11 ай бұрын
If you "never found your people" in high school, are a self proclaimed self conscious people pleaser, and feel insecure that you don't own enough brand name things, Bama Rush is about the last thing you should do. 😅 The people you surround yourself with have a profound impact on your well-being and future.
@siena2248
Жыл бұрын
When all the girls are white and all the music is black…👀👀👀
@SabsC
Жыл бұрын
I was also disappointed with the Bama Rush doc on HBOMax...not juicy enough but it was nice to follow some of the girls through the process.
@bunnyfrosting1744
Жыл бұрын
I’m disabled and really want to finally pursue post secondary, I’m in Canada, though. Really thankful I won’t be having to deal with this kind of stuff, thank you for sharing!
@booksvsmovies
Жыл бұрын
As someone currently in a Canadian university, the culture is different but not THAT different. The frats and sororities on campus here still have a very noticeable and occasionally unsettling ~vibe~ to them
@DarlingRenaissance
Жыл бұрын
The first Black girl to rush and get a bid at Alabama was in either 2004 or 2014.
@thecrimsoncure8201
Жыл бұрын
I think it was 2014 because that's when they got rid of the law that said minorities weren't allowed to rush.
@caitlingill
Ай бұрын
The former, but yes.
@AmbersWorld
Жыл бұрын
Anyway, thats why I’m a proud member of Alpha Kappa Alpha. #skeewee My my It’s ghetto over THERE wow what a mess 😂
@gwenopt
Жыл бұрын
Very glad this was my first video experience! You hit all the tabs for me!
@cutegixie
Жыл бұрын
I went through a sorority at a northern east coast college. The criticisms still stick but we also knew that southern sororities were a different beast. The southern belle concept is so much stronger there. Its also why you dont see these huuge hype videos from too many colleges outside of southern colleges. I would say that the cost and emphasis on wealth is less for most of these sororities as well (most not all). Your dress could be from anywhere so long as the color was close enough. Or we would buy a plain tshirt in bulk for everyone and your only other requirement was a nice pair of jeans. But my experience was particularly unusual because I joined a sorority that was in its first year at my campus (but over 100 years of history elsewhere). We did get the reputation of the weird sorority - women with hair dyed bright colors and less commited to sorority culture. Unfortunately the rules dont let you do that. Both national and college rules require sororities to be roughly the same size as others on campus. Within a year our reputation went from just weird to the weird and rejected women - those who wanted other sororities but had to be extended an offer because our sorority was still too small. Within three years it was nearly identical to the other sororities on campus. Particularly frustrating because we had to maintain over 100 people but frats only needed 9. Again, our national dues were the same cost and you're still paying for the opportunity to make friends, but way less cult like??? I guess. We definitely still had a few people like these types by the end, but its nearly impossible to maintain that throughout the sorority as a whole.Wouldn't necessarily do it again, but I was basically bullied into it in the first place (by family members)
@LoveAndSnapple
10 ай бұрын
I was in a sorority that was run off campus because we were the ones that couldn't maintain our quota and was "dragging everyone else down". They kept saying "We're rooting for you!!" while also talking about us behind our backs to potential new members.
@Cheer4Life825
Жыл бұрын
These girls are really giving up their privacy and safety.. just for popularity
@Deniseeee84
Жыл бұрын
It’s no different then social mediaz1
@tashibalampkin8555
Жыл бұрын
That's how it be unfortunately.
@brooklyndecember
Жыл бұрын
Typing this comment on this page is wild!
@MelissaThompson432
Жыл бұрын
Even Kim K. had to be blonde for awhile....
@hirograveyard8236
Жыл бұрын
My mother and many of the women in my family are AKA. I have nothing positive to say.
@hirograveyard8236
Жыл бұрын
@@xxwoman and lord help you if you’re dark skinned lol. They’re really not good people in general. I feel bad for black women who’ve had to deal with their bullshit.
@taylorhenderson7674
Жыл бұрын
Yeahhh, if I were to pledge it would have been D9 for sure !! At my school we had Tri Sigma , Alpha Omega Pi , and Phi Mu They did not look like NONE of those girls …. I’m from Louisiana the girls are a lil country (still got daddy’s money) and not skinny. Rush week was funny because it’s sooo different from how people go D9. All the white Sororities and Fraternities had big ass houses on campus … but all the D9 was off campus and wasn’t nearly as big
@tresvegan3633
Жыл бұрын
What in the Malibu Barbie southern edition is going on here 🤦🏽♀️ 🙅🏽♀️
@pisceanbeauty2503
Жыл бұрын
I’m disturbed by the subset of young black women who are idolizing and idealizing this culture. I see it in some of the comments Kim read as well as some of the comments on the video. These systems were not designed for us. I always wonder why people think they can become the exception to the rule. At best, you are tolerated and tokenized. We also have to stop thinking the position of white women in American society is something we should be emulating. That pedestal also comes at a cost to them. I’m also highly concerned for anyone who is leaving their region of the country just to come to Alabama because of this whole #BamaRush phenomenon as depicted in social media. Dealing with the culture of the Deep South by itself is whole ‘nother animal, pile on top of that adjusting to college life, being far from family, and navigating Greek life. I can imagine a large chunk of these girls will be transferring, especially if they don’t get into their sorority of choice. College life was hard enough for me without having to deal with Greek culture, leaving the state, or dealing with enormous culture shifts.
@Jgotmilk555
Жыл бұрын
Your videos are brilliant, Kimberly. So, thoughtful. I appreciate the content. :)
@teddyghioto
Ай бұрын
KEEP THE MACHINE TURNIN..GOD BLESS THE HEART OF DIXIE...
@janellentim
Жыл бұрын
It’s all about building your personal brand. This will translate to job opportunities and people knowing who you are. You want to be a big player in college. Sororities help you achieve this.
@RedElephant169
Жыл бұрын
This exactly! All “i dont get it” comments are so silly, im like “you dont?”. Arent we all pretending and doing things all day at work and in other spaces to benefit us socially and financially?
@whycaninotfindagood
Жыл бұрын
@@RedElephant169lol, I think this is what people who join these clubs believe. As someone who never joined a sorority, but doing better and made more connections because I did internships instead, this is just the claim. It helps if you don’t really have a way to get yourself out there yourself, and the “I don’t get it “ argument is valid as it isn’t a necessary for life, yet treated like it’s the only way to get your foot in the door. In real life, no one ever asks in a job interview about your college sorority. I’ve even had people say it was a waste of time for job opportunities and really only allows you to have connections (like friendship) after college. I do think that it has it benefits, but it’s better to actually work for what you want than join a sorority/fraternity. And if so, it should be a Greek from a highly regarded institution because that’s the important indicator.
@bamafencer12
Жыл бұрын
@@RedElephant169 Right, like who doesn't want status and money? This is a dog eat dog world. I don't blame parents dropping $5K on consultants for greek life. The world is getting very competitive these days.
@samonej.7335
Жыл бұрын
Wooo wee and I be thinking my Alpha Kappa Alpha dues are expensive lol. Ain’t no way boiiii 😂😂
@kelsiemcveety999
9 ай бұрын
The power of nostalgia is so real, you got me so much with the memories of digital camera party days in high school, and how different facebook felt
@ashleyolds6516
Жыл бұрын
Chileeee. I attended UA and there is a specific kind of black girl that rushes. They didn’t mingle with the rest of us. They were definitely trying to assimilate. I didn't understand it then, and I don't understand it now. Bless their hearts! 😂
@smallroomartist
Жыл бұрын
I just wanna know why they ain’t using they own music
@Mel-qs8wx
Жыл бұрын
Frrr, play last your country music 😭
@xxwoman
Жыл бұрын
That’s what I was thinking. Y’all hate BP but loooove the music. Can’t dance to it, but love to try. 👩🏼💃🏼
@briannaobrien4419
Жыл бұрын
Sorry I'm commenting as I watch, in New England we can't have soroity houses, like the actual houses, because its still a law that more than 6 women living together is a brothel. Frat houses are totally fine though.
@ElizabethT45
Ай бұрын
I went to a small private college in Michigan founded by the Methodist church. The fraternities had big houses, and the sororities each got a one-story building with a gathering space, a kitchen, and a bathroom. Because otherwise it's a brothel.
@briannaobrien4419
Ай бұрын
@@ElizabethT45 😅 weirdly glad Michigan is like this too. Like I don't want it to be like this but also glad NE isn't the weirdest
@283nickle
Жыл бұрын
OH MY GOD - i love that i'm so out of this loop! i saw bama rush and thought it was another name for the Montgomery brawl and kim was gonna theorize the ass whooping
@KhaiyoThaKid
11 ай бұрын
Ngl I could listen to a whole storybook cd from this lady, her voice is nice ❤
@faebalina7786
Жыл бұрын
I’m not American so not really familiar with this world but I’m just like what in the real life Barbie is going on! I can’t believe all this is real I am both intrigued and confused.
@LittleMissLounge
Жыл бұрын
I feel insane every time I have to explain what Greek life is to someone from outside the US. You managed it! The videos where they go over how much their items cost is so bizarre. I was brought up to see that kind of thing as crass and tacky. Oklahoma is absolutely part of the South. Edit: South Central, according to Wikipedia. I know some folks consider it to be part of the Midwest, which... maybe the closer you get to the Kansas border, the truer that is? In fairness, I'm not as familiar with that region.
@kristalcampbell3650
Жыл бұрын
Jodie Landon is the only acceptable black rush girl edit: also can they please stop using black and kanye west music in these things? Just flavourless
@MTshabangu
Жыл бұрын
Is she a tiktoker?
@nailinthefashion
Жыл бұрын
It's crazy how obsessedddddd they are with black music. Where's the country??? Bust out the Taylor Swift
@InternetKid2001
Жыл бұрын
I’m glad somebody else noticed ,because in my head I’m just like “ I don’t think they’re talking about those Zetas”
@Celestinewarbeck
Жыл бұрын
@@MTshabanguJodie is a character from the cartoon “Daria”
@queenjasz7685
Жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same like why the hiphop music 🤔
@DarlingRenaissance
Жыл бұрын
I need to screenshot that brush on sunscreen
@LisaCreate
Жыл бұрын
10:24 😂 at a “specific kind of white” that’s spot on!
@colleens.279
Жыл бұрын
The only major change I've seen in Bama sororities are they've been more accepting of mid- and plus-sized women, at least in a couple sororities. But it's still a very white institution and still doesn't fix the systemic issues that plague all over the country.
@Cedsbestwife
Жыл бұрын
My sister’s (Black) roommate tried to rush at Bama many times… I wonder if they ever let her in⁉️
@sweigh72
11 ай бұрын
Coming from the UK we don’t have this type of thing … but if I’m honest I think it’s awful seems like it’s for students from a certain class of society who don’t have to work to support themselves whilst studying. The word inclusive doesn’t seem to be part of it.
@shellygarland8766
Жыл бұрын
Watching more im amazed, this is yt culture frfr.
@sewgeekdesigns9113
Жыл бұрын
I’m from bama and I grew up next to auburn university and yeah it’s the classism part. Even now that I’m in a mostly black city it still reminds me of shit from my small town experience…
@raaid22
Жыл бұрын
😬... Should I ...🤔...yes, yes I should. 1. Money appearly can't buy taste. Imagine paying thousands of dollars only to look like you shop at Ross or Marshalls, I mean if looking basic yet cheap is the goal, then 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾. But the main thing, people are making all of this fuss about Alabama, Alabama. Decked out in jewelry, but if you go to hospital there good...luck. Alabama is the usually last in every positive, so... Enjoy your mansion built on a dumpster.
@MB-hs1ou
Жыл бұрын
Great breakdown. I actually rushed as a Black male, at a big state school in the south, and had a great experience. I know that many people aren’t in the same boat as I was, taking into account that my family was well off and I knew how to play the game. Greek life was very interesting to say the least. Feel free to ask questions. (Still in Greek life so I have to be discreet)
@shellygarland8766
Жыл бұрын
Why exactly is greek life important? It honestly seems lame and just a way for rich people to harm each other before it costs money and has possible reprocussions. And it seems very white too.
@melbuck194
Жыл бұрын
Even though you had a great experience, did you personally witness poor treatment of others that aren’t the norm demo of the rush crowd? I attended a huge sec school with prominent white frats and sororities and it looked interesting from an outside perspective.
@MB-hs1ou
Жыл бұрын
@@melbuck194 Yes and no, I haven’t experienced any racism in my frat, but I did experience racism during the rush process, at another house. My frat is the second most expensive, so I’ve seen a lot of classism. Sorority girls will have a different experience, because essentially their value is based on aesthetics and reputation, as archaic as that is.
@dekaibrahim6749
Жыл бұрын
@@MB-hs1ou I just think black women will always have it the worse whether in sororities or in life. It’s not safe for them to be surrounded by that many white women and racist ideology. Like it was said in this video the didn’t always allow black people male or female in sororities until recently. My take is you said you experienced racism that’s enough for me to stay clear.
@anonymousone9699
Жыл бұрын
I have so many questions, but I will start by saying, you ARE the demographic for who gets into these frats. From what you said, you know how to play the game and your parents are well off. For men, race isn’t an issue in this situation. It’s the black women whose beauty isn’t considered as such, if they don’t have Eurocentric features. It’s the honest reality. And like you said, “beauty” is the number 1 consideration then money for the sororities. It is so strange (I’m neither American nor a graduate from a US institution). So questions: - To what extent is SA an issue in your world? Do the boys ever discuss this? Is it a topic that interests your frat leadership? - How do you all feel about the fear fees? I realize that money is not an object in your world, but I’d still imagine that parents aren’t all too happy to pay ridiculous prices just for housing and getting lit. Also, does the money actually make sense once your break down the housing/food/cleaning etc? - wait, do the frat fees even include actual rent? Or is it just an entry fee? Yeesh! - while you haven’t experienced racism from your current house, do you care to observe your group’s treatment of others from marginalized communities including financially struggling students? If so, what have you observed? I have many more if you have the time
@BxTiki
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for posting this here. This is FASCINATING!
@EricaJ-hy4vo
Жыл бұрын
I don't know anything about this stuff but why are so many songs about these sororities rap songs?
@bee_bee75240
Жыл бұрын
Same! And all I could think was “what black boy is so desperate to mix and create these for them?!”
@moustik31
Жыл бұрын
It's not the "South" without some healthy dose of cultural appropriation!
@brooklyndecember
Жыл бұрын
Uhm because white people consuming Black culture is standard and nothing new.
@umuu2
Жыл бұрын
As a non American, can someone ppl explain to me if these sororities and houses are obligatory to complete your university course??? Or is it a purely American thing?
@PrincessRell09
Жыл бұрын
Purely American lol
@lexik780
Жыл бұрын
Your not obligated to join…. But since there are systems in this country. It REALLY helps you get connected and get in touch with people’s in higher places who can extend jobs/opportunities to you that a normal person wouldn’t usually have access to unless they’re already well connected.
@umuu2
Жыл бұрын
@@lexik780 i see.thank you for the insight. I live in Europe and I have never heard of sororities and stuff like that. Ppl have networking events for the most part, you can always ask for a referral from your professors, go on exchange programs, stuff like that. I even lived in the dorms in my first year of university but we never had anything like a sorority type of energy. Again, thanks for the insight 💕
@wahoo4uva
Жыл бұрын
Purely American and it is NOT required to complete a degree. It’s something you opt into and pay for but it is not a requirement. It’s an expensive social networking club.
@Justcetriyaart
Жыл бұрын
@@umuu2 exclusive clubs, groups and societies exist everywhere. we have networking events too. Especially with old history/countries of europe I'm sure the difference is they dont make it public like this.
@briannaobrien4419
Жыл бұрын
I just recently discovered rushtok and then this popped up on my youtube fyp. I'm so excited to watch this
@latularu
Жыл бұрын
Might not be as high-scale as Bama Rush, but Kimberly I would lovee if you did a video about the quasi, semi-secret clubs at your alma mater 😆 (I go there now and can def see classist vibes sometimes but they also seem to try to make an effort to be diverse and give aid to lower income students who can't pay the semesterly fee) just curious to know what your experience was while you were there!
@mzprince4139
Жыл бұрын
I'm married and if nothing else, being married and filing jointly is extremely beneficial. I do love my husband too :)
@sunnydays9144
Жыл бұрын
Love editor Kim pitching in 😁
@legok6037
Жыл бұрын
Bama rush is starting to remind me of the the whole courting process from Bridgerton
@milenabianca9787
Жыл бұрын
I live in the UK and we have nothing even close to Bama rush I fell down a rabbit hole watched the documentary and about 10 KZitem videos and even more TikToks!! It’s just so interesting to me. So many white blondes being classist and racist and it’s apparently just fine? Crazy shit 😂
@Justcetriyaart
Жыл бұрын
Never herd these things so learned something new. Went to local school with illustration department 😂
@CarmenSD
Жыл бұрын
Is rushing D9 at the Uof Alabama or the big Southern PWIs any different? It seemed to be based on some of the same qualifiers imo. Maybe things have changed since I graduated 15+ years ago.
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