I like the undertone of the exchange regarding the trombone. Jellico assumes classical/contemporary, which indicates a strict, structured form. Riker, however, tells him jazz, which suggests fun, free-form, and uplifting style. That's good writing.
@dojoguitare
4 жыл бұрын
That's very subtle and it makes a lot of sense.
@nagash303
4 жыл бұрын
next time we have trumpet jim vs e-guitar Bob.
@mattmilsop4003
4 жыл бұрын
That is ONE HELL of an observation! Well done!!! I never noticed that before.
@XTRABIG
3 жыл бұрын
Excellent observation.
@Mybpeterson
3 жыл бұрын
Yup. I got that immediately. Maybe because I'm the mother of a trombone player. :) Just look at Riker's physicality as the scene starts. Feet up on the desk, book in his lap. Totally chill. Whereas the Captain was wound so tight I was waiting for him to snap in two. Of course he would think classical/ contemporary was superior. To him, it meant rigidity, just like himself. The funniest thing is he wouldn't know about people who play trombone. Ask any musician in a band or orchestra, trombone players take their craft seriously, but no matter what genre of music, they're fun loving. Richard Strauss, world renown composer and conductor famously said: "Never look at the trombone players, it only encourages them" :))))))
@CharlesUrban
4 жыл бұрын
I'm glad that Jellico and Riker got all that off of their chests. And hey, they managed to get the job done by working together despite their differences--that's what Star Trek is all about.
@brandonfrancey5592
4 жыл бұрын
@The Cornfield I wouldn't say good leader. Good Captain, maybe. Good strategist? Leader? Not so much.
@akshin1556
4 жыл бұрын
@@brandonfrancey5592 I'm inclined to agree with you. Jellico may have been a good captain, in that he accomplished missions and got results. But he wasn't a good leader. I think Riker was right. Jellico was closed-minded. He never listened to his staff. He brushed aside all of their input and concerns, even when they might have been valid or useful. He only ever cared about what HE thought was the right thing to do. A good leader inspires people. That's what Jellico never did. He never gained the trust or the loyalty of the people under his command. When Picard gave an order, his crew followed it because they trusted him. When Jellico gives an order, the crew obeys because they know that there'll be hell to pay if they fail to do as he demands. Jellico gets all of his power through fear, and it is a terrible way to lead. I strongly suspect that if Jellico's crew ever had a way to challenge Jellico's orders to a higher authority and get him overruled, they would have done it in a heartbeat. I also have a hard time imagining any crew serving under Jellico feeling devastated at the idea of losing him, like the Enterprise crew did in "Chain of Command" and "Gambit."
@brandonfrancey5592
4 жыл бұрын
@@akshin1556 I mostly agree, except I wouldn't say Jellico rules through fear. He isn't Darth Vader. The crew isn't afraid of Jellico, they just don't like him. Jellico's power comes from his pips. He's Captain. To him, that's end of story. It's like when your boss tells you to do something and you ask why, his response is, "Because I'm your boss." It's not a real answer but it is true. Same applies with Jellico. He's the captain, he gave an order. Do it. He doesn't want to hear excuses.He wants results. The one redeeming factor is Jellico didn't ask for the impossible. Difficult, sure but not impossible or criminal. He didn't demand 6 hours of work be done in 2 and punish everyone for not meeting his impossible goals. Hell, when it came down to a dangerous mission, he asked Riker, not Order him to do it.
@akshin1556
4 жыл бұрын
@@brandonfrancey5592 >> Jellico didn't ask for the impossible. Yes, he did. In fact, that was precisely the issue that Geordi was having with him. Jellico was issuing orders to the Engineering department that could not possibly be fulfilled with the time and resources they were being given. A specific example : Jellico ordered Geordi to take the secondary distribution grid offline and realign the warp coil, to increase the warp coil efficiency by 15%, in two days' time, with only two-thirds of the Engineering crew working. That was impossible, and Jellico knew it. He was present when Data explicitly stated that realigning the warp coil in two days would require the entire Engineering crew, and then only if the entire crew worked around the clock for the full two days. Despite knowing this, Jellico still transferred a third of the Engineering crew to Security and still expected the warp coil to be realigned. Riker said that the other departments on the Enterprise were experiencing the same issues with their new captain. I don't know if Jellico ever penalized the crew for being unable to complete the work he was demanding, but he did, in fact, ask for the impossible.
@Bitchslapper316
4 жыл бұрын
@@akshin1556 He didn't "in fact ask for the impossible" because the work got done.
@mr.coolmug3181
2 жыл бұрын
Their working relationship was strengthened by them both admitting their personal dislike for each other. This is how mature individuals bring light to their feelings in order to overcome them for the sake of others/the task at hand.
@sokagofferenginar8669
Жыл бұрын
Something too many people have trouble with some act like they'd rather kill each other than work with each other
@1wibble230
Жыл бұрын
Back when people gave a shit about good script writing. New Trek is garbage by comparison.
@AdamWEST-yu2os
Жыл бұрын
I like Jellico. He told Troi to put the poom poom away. AND she listened. Try doing that today and see what happens.
@fastertrackcreative
Жыл бұрын
I have had to deal with housemates I don't get along with. I try to be nice but in the end just give up and avoid interacting with them unless necessary.
@img00
11 ай бұрын
@@AdamWEST-yu2osthat was actually more because Marina Sirtis herself wanted the change rather than the eye candy costumes she'd worn up to this point. She actually got a few good stories after this too - the episode where she takes the commander test, and when she is kidnapped by the Romulans.
@cleanerben9636
4 жыл бұрын
I got second hand smug from Riker
@TheRealTerranMarine
4 жыл бұрын
Riker with that BDE
@willcull562
4 жыл бұрын
But he directed first contact
@dogkungfu8510
4 жыл бұрын
Seriously...
@hmartinspliff
4 жыл бұрын
A lot of people saying Captain Jellico acted like a dick to the Enterprise crew......all I know is that he's "Dick" Jones and Riker just *_F*CKED_* with the wrong guy! Picard's a sweet old man and he means well but he's not gonna live forever and Dick Jones is No. 2 around here......pretty simple math, huh, Riker?
@Theomite
4 жыл бұрын
@@hmartinspliff Christ, what I'd give to have an outtake like that.
@Bitchslapper316
4 жыл бұрын
This is why Jelico was selected for this assignment. He stopped a Cardassian invasion and saved Picard. All it cost him was some hurt feelings and bruised ego's.
@akshin1556
4 жыл бұрын
>> some hurt feelings and bruised egos There was a little more involved than that. IIRC, the point at which Riker's anger boiled over was when Jellico was willing to let the Cardassians execute Picard rather than give the Cardassians any ground in the negotiations. Jellico was lucky that the Cardassians didn't kill Picard before he had a chance to carry out his plan to mine the Cardassian ships.
@robertpolityka8464
4 жыл бұрын
@@akshin1556 I'm thinking that Picard was the lucky one, not Jellico. Picard was the one being tortured by the Cardassians. Jellico already told Picard that he thought Picard was on a "suicide mission". Jellico frequently kept The Admiralty "in the loop" about what's going on, to avoid getting into a court martial. The Admiralty could have "given the green light" to tell the Cardassians that Picard was under orders. The Admiralty could have disregarded Jellico's advice and plan allow Riker to lead a rescue party. Jellico's hunch was correct. If the Enterprise was handling a rescue party, the crew might not discovered a fleet of Cardassians behind a nebula. Riker's loyalty to Picard blinded him to the "big picture" and it's not the first time. To quote Spock: " the needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few, or the one". For example, when Picard was onboard the Borg Cube, Riker reversed course when it came to personally beaming down in the rescue attempt. It took Commander Shelby and Counselor Troi to remind him that his place was on the bridge. It's hard for Riker to take the advice of someone he dislikes or to chill out. Riker placed the value of 1 life, Jean-Luc Picard over the lives of 1,000 on the Enterprise or of the billions of lives that are on the planets at the Federation-Cardassian border. The hardest thing for Riker to do is admit when he's wrong or that someone is better than him, such as when Shelby called him out at a poker game. Probably the hardest thing for Riker to do during Jellico's command is to admit that when it came to "the big picture", The Captain was correct and if Riker were in command, then he might have the wrong choice.
@dhinton1
4 жыл бұрын
to be clear ..... Jellico stopped the invasion, so he was the right man for THAT task. but that's ALL the credit Jellico deserves. He did NOT save Picard's life; he was only able to order Picard's return once the Cardassians had to leave their hiding spot. The Cardassian's egotistical desire to break Picard, even after he had to know Picard didn't have the information the Cardassians wanted in the first place, saved Picard's life.
@akshin1556
4 жыл бұрын
@@robertpolityka8464 >> I'm thinking that Picard was the lucky one, not Jellico. Picard was the one being tortured by the Cardassians. Doesn't that kind of go without saying, though? But, all right, fine, he was. >>If the Enterprise was handling a rescue party, the crew might not discovered a fleet of Cardassians behind a nebula. I wasn't actually thinking of a rescue mission at all. I was thinking of how Jellico refused to acknowledge that Picard was, in fact, a prisoner of war, even though it might have protected Picard from being executed by the Cardassians. Jellico was undoubtedly correct that the Cardassians would have used such an admission as a diplomatic wedge to make more demands in their negotiations. But we don't know that Jellico wouldn't still have been able to stop the Cardassian invasion, just like Jellico couldn't have known that he would still have been able to get Picard back alive. The thing is ... The commentors defending Jellico on these videos keep talking about how he saved Picard, as if the fact that Jellico was fully prepared to let Picard die rather than risk giving the Cardassians any diplomatic advantage is somehow irrelevant. In the episode "Force of Nature," LaForge challenged Serova's moral position by pointing out that mining the Hekaras Corridor could have caused a lot of deaths if the missing ship, the Fleming, had been on a rescue mission or transporting vital medical supplies. Serova's response was to say that that didn't happen. Serova seemed to believe that it didn't matter that the Hekarans' mining of the corridor could have cost lives, simply because it didn't happen. Which, in my opinion, was not a valid defense. There is a reason why "reckless endangerment" is still a crime, even if nobody is actually harmed by the defendant's actions. It seems to me that some commentors on the "Chain of Command" videos have the same mindset as Serova. They seem to think that Jellico should ONLY be given the credit for getting Picard back alive, and that the fact that he was willing to sacrifice Picard's life in the first place shouldn't matter because Picard didn't die. I don't agree. I believe that if Jellico if to be praised for saving Picard, then we should also remember that he was also willing to let Picard die. >> Riker placed the value of 1 life, Jean-Luc Picard over the lives of 1,000 on the Enterprise or of the billions of lives that are on the planets at the Federation-Cardassian border. I am not unsympathetic to the argument that Jellico was correct to prioritize the lives of the people living on the planets near the border over the life of one man. I just wish that people would stop talking as if the Enterprise crew's objections to Jellico's orders were completely unfounded. In the clips of Jellico preparing the Enterprise for the mission, some commentors dismissed the Enterprise crew as a bunch of whining crybabies who just didn't want to work hard. But, in fact, there were legitimate concerns over the orders Jellico was giving the crew. Jellico emphasized that it was crucial to increase the ship's warp coil efficiency by 15%, but then Jellico himself made that goal impossible to achieve when he transferred a third of the Engineering crew to Security, despite Data's projections that realigning the warp coil would require the entire Engineering department to work around the clock for two days. He refused to listen to any of the department heads' concerns about the personnel problems that changing from a three-shift rotation to a four-shift rotation would cause, even though some of those disruptions to the ship's operations might have adversely affected the Enterprise's performance in combat during the mission. In the videos of the conclusion of "Chain of Command," some people keep talking about how Jellico bruised the egos of the Enterprise crew, as if that was the ONLY source of their resistance to Jellico's orders. But there was a lot more to it than hurt feelings. Riker was angered that Jellico was willing to sacrifice Picard's life, and at Jellico's briefing with the senior staff, LaForge and Crusher expressed concern about the lives that Jellico was putting at risk. There was a lot more involved here than crew members who just didn't want to work hard or who were having their feelings hurt.
@brandonfrancey5592
4 жыл бұрын
Nope, cost a lot more than hurt feelings. A lot of trust was thrown out the window. Jelico is the guy that gets shit done, but it's going to cost you. It's like pulling an all niter. Sure you get a lot more done but it's not sustainable. Picard is the long term solution. He built and inspires level of trust in his crew that pays back dividends. How many times was the ship or crew saved by someone saying, "I can't explain it, but I need you to trust me on this one." That wouldn't happen under Jelico's watch.
@clairestark9024
4 жыл бұрын
I like that they didnt make jellico an idiot with his conflict with Ricker. The conflict comes from their styles of leadership, decisions and command. They just dont mesh. Which happens irl.
@rainofflowers
4 жыл бұрын
I agree. Leadership style plays a big part of a team. Jellico's approach to the crew did not create an atmosphere of trust which can ruin teams/crew on a ship. I this case, everyone was more than capable of performing their duties and they were successful.
@girlgarde
4 жыл бұрын
Plus the Enterprise crew were used to Picard's style of command and their personalities were well suited to mesh with Picard's personality to produce great results. Jellico's style of command however was quite different from Picard's so they weren't at all used to and suited mentally to his style of command. In turn, Jellico wasn't used to the independent minded senior staff of the Enterprise which frustrated him to no end.
@icecold9511
3 жыл бұрын
Jelico's style was to treat everyone as incompetent, while giving ridiculous orders. Ego masquerading as leadership.
@clairestark9024
3 жыл бұрын
@@icecold9511 I'm trying to think of an example of him doing that.
@evloh
3 жыл бұрын
sure... but that doesn't mean all styles are equal. Riker and Piccard have different styles which are both effective. Jellico is a garbage leader and the type of guy that would have been mysteriously "sniped" in modern war.
@helpfulcomrade
4 жыл бұрын
Picard: "You enjoyed that." Riker: "You're damn right I did."
@Ragitsu
4 жыл бұрын
Nice turn of the phrase!
@ddmck1972
Жыл бұрын
You know Riker rehearsed that in anticipation of Jellico dropping the ranks.
@OffsetSolidmusic
Жыл бұрын
2:22 Love that Data specifically mimics Riker's pose in the first officer's chair
@stevencoardvenice
Жыл бұрын
Lol
@christopherpericolosi-king4979
Жыл бұрын
Good observation!!!
@steverogers7601
Жыл бұрын
I’ve had managers like Jellico. They’re smart as hell, so damn sharp, and absolutely produce results, but they do not inspire others to work for them. One manager was incredibly competent but she was a micromanaging douchebag, wanted updates the moment they happened, constantly applied pressure for work to get done, and only cared about how the team made her look. She was a good manager but was a terrible leader, and made no friends in the process despite how many times she smiled and shared laughed during networking events. No one wants to work for people like this and they push talent away like it’s a damn sport. Despite what you want to say about “hurt feelings” and “bruised egos”, it is not good for your career if you have this reputation.
@stevencoardvenice
Жыл бұрын
He's too insecure. And doesn't trust his own soldiers. Like how the Vorta don't trust the jem hedar. When a boss doesn't show u trust, it's very toxic
@davidharris8444
Жыл бұрын
One of the departments I used to work in had one just like Jellico. He came in one morning yelling at everyone over a 0.75% drop in quality. In less than 3 hours, 1/2 of the staff walked down to H.R. to tether their resignations. Before the end of the day, upper management sent him packing. Some of the staff that walked out had been with the company for 15 years. After he was gone, quality went up by 5%.
@steverogers7601
Жыл бұрын
@@davidharris8444 collective bargaining, or a united front, is so underutilized among employees in our workforce.
@jasonvoorhees5640
Жыл бұрын
@@stevencoardvenice are you actually trying to justify rikers behaviour?
@jasonvoorhees5640
Жыл бұрын
@@davidharris8444 you work in a mcdonalds or factory etc. Jelico is a military captain.
@akshin1556
4 жыл бұрын
1:15 I have the distinct impression that, although Jellico doesn't necessarily agree with Riker's assessment of his approach to command, he actually does understand where Riker is coming from ... and it doesn't sit well with Jellico that he does.
@unusualbydefault
4 жыл бұрын
No he doesn't, he's just smart enough to not push it since he needs riker
@akshin1556
4 жыл бұрын
@@unusualbydefault 1. Jellico doesn't need Riker to agree to this. If he wanted to, he could simply order Riker to pilot the shuttlecraft. 2. Riker would have agreed to pilot the shuttlecraft whether he liked Jellico's attitude about it or not. If Jellico neither asked nor ordered Riker to be the pilot, Riker would have volunteered. Jellico likely knew this, or at least suspected it. 3. LaForge never said that Riker was the only pilot who could accomplish this mission. He said Riker was the best pilot, but also said that he could do it himself. There may have been other pilots who could pull it off as well. 4. If the Enterprise had just one absolutely flawless pilot, it would have to be Data. If it came to it, Jellico could have somebody else take over as acting first officer and instruct Data to pilot the shuttlecraft. Jellico had no pressing need to get on Riker's good side. He had other options. He chose to ask Riker to pilot the shuttlecraft rather than resort to any of those other options, because he felt it was the right thing to do, and it's unlikely that Jellico would have felt that way if he sincerely believed that Riker was totally wrong about everything. With all of that said, there's no real way to know what Jellico actually thought of Riker's assessment of him. What exactly his facial expression and body language at 1:15 actually meant is a matter of perception, which is always going to vary with the individual. I sincerely believe that Jellico didn't agree with Riker's assessment, but he did understand where Riker was coming from. That's just my perception of it.
@danieldickson8591
4 жыл бұрын
I would disagree with choosing Data over Ryker. A flawless pilot isn't necessarily the best pilot. Data doesn't have Ryker's instinct and intuition.
@akshin1556
4 жыл бұрын
@@danieldickson8591 Perhaps.
@andyme3541
4 жыл бұрын
@@akshin1556 No Riker has been stated to be the best pilot, that includes Data. For whatever reason an instinct Data doesn't have for the ships Riker is the best Pilot on the Enterprise. He'd relieved Riker of his duties at this point which likely would have given Riker the right to refuse.
@jameswise3971
4 жыл бұрын
David Warner and Sir Patrick Stewart... two legendary British actors with outstanding performance!
@FormerHumanX
4 жыл бұрын
Star Trek V, Star Trek VI, and then TNG. David Warner was so good they had to keep bringing him back.
@naran_naran
4 жыл бұрын
Ah! The photographer from the "The Omen". I didn't recognize him at first.
@pescando
4 жыл бұрын
Really admire Jellico using the foot-in-the-door technique with Picard’s release.
@mistermonologue2442
Жыл бұрын
The ceremony? It's starfleet protocol and he made it perfectly clear he doesn't give a crap how the crew feels about it.
@steverogers7601
Жыл бұрын
@@mistermonologue2442 yep! Leaders like this are good but they leave behind a trail of people who do not want to work for you and people who are likely willing to throw you under the bus if the opportunity arises. It’s the whole phrase of “I won’t wish the man to be fired but I sure as hell won’t lose any sleep if he does” Anyone who thinks this isn’t bad does not have good social acumen, and is still emotionally stunted by not accepting that their mother and daughters are humans who have feelings like everyone else.
@mistermonologue2442
Жыл бұрын
@@steverogers7601 It's a lazy way of leading and is frustratingly (and historicaly) supposed to be viewed as endearing but what it really is is a lack of confidence mixed with an ignorant view of what leadership is all topped off with a child's aptitude for patience.
@Mlogan11
4 жыл бұрын
Jellico should have started counting down to make the Cardassian yell "Stop counting..stop counting!!".
@SWIFTO_SCYTHE
4 жыл бұрын
Nah only Dukat could have the balls to do convince that smuggler to sign a confession.
@VulKus117
3 жыл бұрын
That takes not just any Cardassian...
@shawnr888
4 жыл бұрын
Jellico gets a bad rap. He's given a couple days to turn a research and exploration vessel into a war ship and gets nothing but push back from Riker. If he has failed in any way, it's his demand for obedience without explaining why everything is changing.
@junbh2
2 жыл бұрын
That's a huge failure though. And Riker was taking the hit for everyone's pushback and stress and confusion, not just his own. If you want people to follow you into a battle earning their faith in you is pretty major.
@shahidulkhan9566
2 жыл бұрын
@@junbh2 jellico stated to everyone that he needs to get the enterprise battle ready and he doesn't have time for everyone to like him. In the end he proved his worth because he forced the cardassians into retreating and letting picard go. Riker just didn't want to accept that the federation with all its lofty ideals keeps starfleet as a military unit rather than for research. It shattered the paradise that picard had created aboard the enterprise.
@shindean
2 жыл бұрын
Nearly every senior member of that ship became a captain, it was because the environment wasn't meant to be a warship. If Riker had followed orders from Jellico, Picard would've been killed.
@brucenadeau2172
Жыл бұрын
because he was a bad officeer
@brucenadeau2172
Жыл бұрын
@@shahidulkhan9566 but all his change was making th enterpris a weaker ship
@Commanderziff
4 жыл бұрын
It's a shame that Jonathon Frakes got more interested in directing. I could definitely have seen a "Captain Riker" series.
@easy2120
4 жыл бұрын
I met Frakes at a convention about 10 years ago and showed him that I am a Riker. He was amused and started talking about Rikers in space. I know he kids about that in conventions and we laughed, but he said, no I'm serious I would like to make a show with me and Marina. Well, look at Picard in 2020 and seems like he's halfway there.
@makasete30
4 жыл бұрын
Scott Laux life has been good to him.
@Jesse-B
4 жыл бұрын
A bit of a love/hate with Riker, sometimes he was great, and other times he annoyed me, but despite that, a perfect fit for next gen main characters.
@Samuraith2077
4 жыл бұрын
For sure I was hoping to see him captain the Titan. Then they just moved on. Shame.
@Tomherbs
4 жыл бұрын
He directed the Picard episode that killed icheb, terrible episode.
@SFisher1993
3 жыл бұрын
“Well...now that the ranks are dropped, Captain, I don’t like you either! You just watch yourself! We’re wanted men! I have the death sentence on TWELVE systems!”
@Rutherford_Inchworm_III
2 жыл бұрын
He'll be careful
@SFisher1993
2 жыл бұрын
@@Rutherford_Inchworm_III “He’ll be DEAD!”
@kyrozudesoya1829
Жыл бұрын
Picard is a manager that knows how to instill trust and confidence in people and has enough trust in his subordinates to delegate tasks so he can focus other things. And this is more or less reciprocated and appreciated by the crew. You even see O'brien do this during Starship Down when he talks to Worf about handling the other crewman. Jellico is like R. Lee Ermy in The Siege of Firebase Gloria. He takes command of his ship knowing that bad stuff is about to go down and that there's no time to get to know the crew, or build up confidence trust and respect. This situation is too immediate for any of that. Jellico knows what he's doing and is confident in his own ability as Captain, but he simply doesn't have the luxury of time to show that to any of the other crew. Picard is clearly a diplomat. Jellico is a warrior. His personality is going to rankle some people but that's just how it is. If he had more time with the crew in less shit circumstances they'd have probably gotten along better.
@Wolf-ln1ml
Жыл бұрын
Jellico treats the crew of a luxury cruise and exploration ship as if it was a tightly run military ship. He may be a really good CO when he's got a crew that's used to that style, but whether he was ignorant, too inflexible, or didn't care - his approach wasn't working at all, and he still insisted upon it. _That_ alone made him a terrible CO in this situation.
@stevencoardvenice
Жыл бұрын
It's funny that people like jellico would end up taking over starfleet once the conflict with the dominion and the borg started. Picard would not fit in that Era. Picard is a peacetime captain. An explorer
@Wolf-ln1ml
Жыл бұрын
@@stevencoardvenice I'd rather say people like Sisko would take over. Jellico is too inflexible in his ways to make _any_ use of the exploration focussed crews of the vast majority of Starfleet ships, as he's thoroughly demonstrated in these episodes.
@stevencoardvenice
Жыл бұрын
@@Wolf-ln1ml jellico got the job done. He wasn't there to make friends. This was a military operation
@Wolf-ln1ml
Жыл бұрын
@@stevencoardvenice Yes, this was a military operation. That an exploration ship and crew were forced to do because nobody else was available. So of course the military just goes in and expect everyone to function as if they were career military... 🙄 Seriously, _this_ mindset you're displaying here is exactly what almost got not only the entire mission to fail, but also to lose the Enterprise and Picard. Military "my way or... well, there's only my way" idiocy.
@akshin1556
4 жыл бұрын
When Jellico decided to (1) disregard ranks and (2) tell Riker what he didn't like about him, he effectively invited Riker to return the favor. Lesson to be learned here, folks ... Don't ask somebody to critique you if you don't want to hear what they're going to say.
@girlgarde
4 жыл бұрын
Jellico wanted to decrease tension between them so he let Riker critique him as he likely knew what Riker thought of him already plus he's likely heard it before from other officers.
@michiganman9599
3 жыл бұрын
@General Bismarck And were it not for the Enterprise-D ALONE, with WILLIAM RIKER as captain, Earth would’ve fallen to the Borg
@whisperer687
3 жыл бұрын
@General Bismarck LOL. That's funny, because I seem to recall the Klingons getting their butts kicked by the Dominion just as badly as the Federation did. After the Cardassians joined the Dominion, the Jem'Hadar fleet drove out all of the Klingon forces occupying Cardassian territory, and Chancellor Gowron declared that he was going to fortify the Klingon Empire and prepare for a fight to the death. Those aren't the words of a man who's on the winning side of a war. I also remember General Martok lamenting that "War is much more fun when you are winning," and that the defeats they had been suffering made his wounds ache. And I'm pretty sure that the only reason the Romulans didn't suffer the same fate is because they chose to sell out the Alpha Quadrant and sign a non-aggression treaty with the Dominion rather than join the fight. If it was really being "nice and polite" and lacking a militaristic mindset that caused the Federation to lose so badly to the Dominion, then how come the Klingons didn't do any better?
@Not-Ap
2 жыл бұрын
@@girlgarde And he knew they were probably had a point and chose to disregard that point anyway either because he wasn't willing to change or behaved that way on purpose.
@tinman3586
9 ай бұрын
@@girlgardeYes. This exactly.
@KNByam
4 жыл бұрын
I know how Riker feels. I have a boss at my job that almost everyone dislikes. What people like that don't realize is they don't inspire people to go out of their way for them, its get in get out.
@Idazmi7
4 жыл бұрын
Isn't it lovely with an arrogant first officer wagers the future of the Federation on a personal vendetta against his boss?
@makasete30
4 жыл бұрын
Idazmi7 he has a point - he tried to get the captain to inspire his crew so they would be ready for combat and unified. That’s a ship of exploration not a military ship. They have families and children on board. He was dismissed because Jellico saw Riker’s behaviour as as dissent and didn’t understand how to get the crew behind him. Riker didn’t wager anything- both he and Jellico knew he would pilot the shuttle.
@danielkubin3878
4 жыл бұрын
@@makasete30 but he it´s still member of military organization. Also in situation which is at edge of war. There is no space for some argument or anything. He is great officer, but terrible first officer, similar situation was in The Best of Both Worlds, when he acts like a idiot when Shelby has a interesting proposals and he only "throwing sticks" into her path. If there any character in TNG which I really don´t like, that would be him.
@ayanithtalreign
4 жыл бұрын
Starfleet isn't a military organization. It's more apt to call them a merchant/science marine expetionary force. Starfleet is more civilian than military. And civilian ships do have rank, and certain offenses (especially mutiny) are crimes in civilian shipping. But Starfleet does not wage offensive wars and largely does not have the capacity until the end of the Dominion War, where Starfleet starts going very wrong.
@Idazmi7
4 жыл бұрын
@@ayanithtalreign _"Although the Enterprise is a military vessel, it's organization is only semi-military. The "enlisted men" category does not exist. Star Trek goes on the assumption that every man and woman aboard the U.S.S. Enterprise is the equivalent of a qualified astronaut, and therefore an officer."_ - Gene Roddenberry, The Making of Star Trek, page 209. _"I'm a soldier, not a diplomat."_ - James Kirk Starfleet is a military organization.
@SpreadingtheMuse
4 жыл бұрын
This should be a lesson in leadership. You need to let workers WANT to help you. Let them think they're doing you a favor. Positive gets more done than negative.
@psifla99
2 жыл бұрын
Indeed. An atmosphere of fearing to step on toes or run the leader the wrong way and so on, that can be created - but what *should* be created is an atmosphere of respect, which must be earned, to the point where the crew want to work *for* their captain, and don’t consistently need reminding about who is in charge.
@stevencoardvenice
Жыл бұрын
@esphaeraspraestans4212yes. It's a military crisis
@OnafetsEnovap
10 ай бұрын
@@stevencoardvenice Indeed... and sometimes, some things have to be done.
@jmlaw8888
9 ай бұрын
@@stevencoardveniceOne that the crew of the Enterprise was MORE than ready to take on already. Remember: Jellico is an inferior Captain who until recently was in command of an inferior ship. He was out of his depth on the Enterprise and instead of yanking everyone around by his chain he should have relied on Will to be the one to balance between what he wants at short notice and what the Enterprise crew needs. Everyone claiming hes a hero? He alienated the ONE man needed to complete his mission and said man had to choose to help of his own accord. When it comes to command? Total. Abject. Failure.
@stevencoardvenice
9 ай бұрын
@@jmlaw8888 totally disagree. You call him an "inferior captain," but that's just your opinion, because you like Picard. We all do. But jellico was brought in there by starfleet for a specific purpose. He was a militarist, not a diplomat like Picard. And Riker's behavior was kind of immature. He loved his captain, Picard. And he let his feelings for Picard cloud his judgment. The mission was more important than Picard's life And this was a military crisis. No time for team bonding exercises. People just needed to follow orders. Captain Jellico does not have to ADAPT to his inferior officers' idiosyncrasies. It's the opposite! They have to adapt to HIM. It's not a democracy. The enterprise crew's' "needs" are irrelevant. It's starfleet and the federation's needs that are paramount. And the federation's "need" during this time was to intimidate the ruthless cardassians during this standoff/crisis Implicit in your argument, (and in the argument of all the Riker defenders) is the notion that the enterprise is some sort of democracy, or pirate ship, where the captain basically serves at the pleasure or his crew
@abdulmismail
4 жыл бұрын
Ronnie Cox is a superb actor. First saw him in Beverly Hills Cop and then Total Recall as well as Robocop. It's guest star appearances on TNG which really enhanced the quality of the episode. Bob Gunton (Warden from Shawshank Redemption) also played a superb Captain (Benjamin Maxwell) in TNG.
@BrotherDerrick3X
4 жыл бұрын
I remember him in Beverly Hills Cop as Andrew Bogamil. He was a hardass to Eddie Murphy in the first one. Eventually he warmed up to him, and by the second movie, he was friends with him. Of course, he is probably best known for playing Richard "Dick" Jones in Robocop.
@abdulmismail
4 жыл бұрын
@@BrotherDerrick3X I'd buy that for a dollar kzitem.info/news/bejne/po-a1q1vjJqgiYo
@robertmcevey3773
4 жыл бұрын
This role made me dislike Ronny Cox, still do. Guess it worked then,,great acting
@phdtobe
4 жыл бұрын
Abdul M. Ismail Gunden’s character in both cases was “the Bad Guy”.
@girlgarde
4 жыл бұрын
@@BrotherDerrick3X As well as the main bad guy from Total Recall /the 1990 version/.
@ronp6009
4 жыл бұрын
Beauty scene. Showed Jellico was the bigger man. Also nice to see that not all Star fleet Captain's were hesitant to use the power they had to avoid conflicts. Mines on the belly make up for one million diplomatic words that are destined to fail.
@Wolf-ln1ml
Жыл бұрын
How was he the bigger man?
@Ragitsu
Жыл бұрын
@@Wolf-ln1ml These comment sections are full of Jellico ass-kissers.
@paulwhite6745
2 ай бұрын
@@Wolf-ln1ml In the end they both put their egos and arguments to one side (without either conceding) and they both did their duty. I don't think either was bigger than the other.
@Wolf-ln1ml
2 ай бұрын
@@paulwhite6745 Yep, I can agree with that.
@wifferstess2824
4 жыл бұрын
This shows Ronny Cox's skills as an actor. He's not like that in real life. Remember reading an article where he says that he doesn't stay in character after "CUT".
@ernstergarcia
4 жыл бұрын
you have to look at him like lt bogomil from beverly hills cop and not dick jones from robocop.
@icecold9511
3 жыл бұрын
Andy Taylor was an amazing and immensely likable person. Andy Griffith was supposed to be an asshole. How he can play nice guy, but be such a rotten person is amazing.
@specialnewb9821
5 күн бұрын
Kinsey!
@YD-uq5fi
10 ай бұрын
Jellico, despite being different, was a true hero in his own right : a) He destroyed the Cardassians' perceived position of strength swiftly and with full confidence. A masterclass in flipping the script. b) He ordered Troi to wear a Starfleet uniform.
@dhinton1
4 жыл бұрын
2:10 Do I want to know how close that was? NO. and THIS is why Riker was the best for this job.
@dhinton1
4 жыл бұрын
@@RubbittTheBruise I'm pretty sure that Riker detected that vessel closer than 500 meters ..... based off his clear sense of relief.
@Ragitsu
4 жыл бұрын
Cool under pressure?
@Brian6587
Жыл бұрын
I used to dislike Jellico when I saw this growing up but now years later I see what he was up against and think he was exactly what was needed. This was a military situation with the possibility of war and the Enterprise had to be ready. In war situations sometimes unpleasant decisions have to be made. Jellico was definitely a war commander who spent enough time with the Cardassians to know how to handle them.
@olternaut
3 жыл бұрын
A show like this will never come again.
@akshin1556
4 жыл бұрын
Riker : You don't provide an atmosphere of trust. This line made me think of so many things ... When the new commanding officer orders the Engineering crew to make changes that are simply impossible to get done with the time and resources available ... It does not inspire confidence among the crew members that their new CO knows what he's doing. When the senior staff tries to raise concerns about the captain's orders, and the captain simply refuses to hear them out ... The officers and crew will invariably wonder, "If he's not listening to us, then who ELSE is he not listening to? Is it possible that there are people out there who are trying to give the captain important information, and he's simply ignoring them?" The captain orders changes to be made to the warp coils, the power systems, etc., that he emphasizes are vitally important, and won't listen when the staff tells him that those changes can't be made as quickly as he's insisting on ... The ship's personnel will worry that the captain is COUNTING ON the ship performing at a level that they cannot make happen, which would place everybody in danger if they really do go into combat. When the captain consistently refuses to listen to his senior officers, then the crew will eventually stop trying to inform the captain about potential problems and issues, particularly with regard to the orders he's giving. This can create real problems when the crew doesn't bother to try to tell the captain about a potentially crucial issue with the latest order he's given. If the crew doesn't trust the captain, they will start disregarding his orders and trying to find ways around them. "He obviously doesn't know what he's doing. Do you really want to place your fate in his hands? I'd rather be court-martialed than dead." If the crew believes that the captain doesn't trust them, they won't come to him when there's an issue, and the ship will be in trouble when the commanding officer is unaware of a developing problem. "Don't you think we should report this?" "The captain didn't listen the first ten times we tried to report a problem. What makes you think he'll listen this time?" Being a good leader means inspiring trust. You need to convince the people under your command to trust you, and you also need to convince them that you're willing to trust them. That's what Jellico never did.
@mmjahink
4 жыл бұрын
^This In any kind of work environment, as useful as it is to have a leader making the decision, no ship (figurative and literal) can thrive without the input of its officers. The best way to ensure employee/crew resentment is to never give a modicum of respect or taking them seriously.
@celiovicenteribeirofilho9740
4 жыл бұрын
In the film The Wrath of Khan, when he took over Command of Interprise from Captain Spock, then Admiral Kirk made an announcement to the cadets on the ship, informing him of the need to attend an extremely urgent mission and that he needed the ship to do this in time. He says he knows it's not fair to demand so much of them now but he needs them to grow up faster. And they work hard and do a good job, because they know that Kirk and the others on the bridge are very experienced and that they can trust them, just as they want to trust the cadets they trained. I understand that in the case of Jelico, it is quite different, since everyone at Interprise is a veteran at the moment, and he is concerned with avoiding a war with Kardashia. But he acts with everyone like he's an instructor sergeant talking to recruits. He doesn't say why he needs to make all these changes and shows disinterest in Picard's fate, which everyone on the ship loves and respects, showing little empathy, which could be used to motivate more care in fulfilling the mission. To be honest, I recognize that starting with sending Picard on a mission like this was a real snafu from the Starfleet Command and asking Jelico to clean up the mess without causing a war is very unfair after the spilled milk. Do they mess around and Jelico has to invent a miracle that saves the Federation from war? What will be asked of him next? Turn a bunch of guts into a heart using only string? I would also be very stressed and very little open to people questioning me for everything I say to do. But in the end, everything was resolved. jelico was professional enough to step on his pride and ask Riker for help. Jelico may not even be the most sympathetic person in the fleet, but he is undoubtedly a competent captain who solves problems.
@rickbruner5525
4 жыл бұрын
I worked for a large manufacturing company implementing and running an employee suggestion program designed to get input into our manufacturing processes. The program was highly successful at all of our plants, foundries, and distribution centers except one (by successful I mean $100 million in cost savings over 4 years). In interacting with the manager of that plant, he made it know to me and to all of his employees, at the top of his voice while on the production floor, that his employees could never have an idea of any merit that he hadn't already thought of first. The workforce was not happy and no one who worked there wanted to go beyond their strict job description. His management style pretty much guaranteed that his unit was constantly under performing and he wound up getting fired.
@akshin1556
4 жыл бұрын
@Darth Pancake Studios >> But to be fair, he didn't ask the engineering crew to make impossible changes. Actually, that's exactly what he did. >> Data mentioned that all of what he did was technically possible within the amount of time he asked it for. That was before Captain Jellico transferred a full third of the Engineering staff to Security. Here's what happened : Data said that it would be possible to improve the warp coil efficiency by 15%, like Jellico wanted, by taking the secondary distribution grid offline and realigning the warp coil. But it would require the entire Engineering crew to work around the clock for the full two days. Jellico told them to do that. But then, in a later scene, Geordi reveals that Jellico has transferred a third of his crew to Security. And Jellico still expected the Engineering department to realign the warp coil within two days, even though, by Data's estimates, Jellico had now made that impossible. Geordi's entire frustration with their new captain was that Jellico was ordering them to do a great deal of work without giving them the time and resources they needed to get that work done.
@akshin1556
4 жыл бұрын
@Darth Pancake Studios About two months ago, when we were talking about this video and this episode, somebody else stated that the Engineering crew did, in fact, complete the work on time. I haven't seen this episode in years, so I will take his word for it, and yours, that the work was finished. The question (which I asked then and am asking now again) is, HOW? Did the episode explain how the Engineering crew was able to complete the work within the time required? It should not have been possible, unless you're willing to believe that Data was just flat out wrong when he calculated that it would require the entire Engineering crew to realign the warp coil, on top of all of the other work Jellico wanted them to do. If it was possible to perform the task with only two-thirds of the staff working ... That is a pretty big margin to be off by. It's not like Data to make a mistake like that. Did they simply say that the work was finished, and never explained how? If so, then that's just bad writing. The script made a big deal of the fact that the work was impossible to get done in the time permitted, and then they just brush it aside by saying, "Oh, they just got it done somehow, let's move on to the next plot development"? Sloppy. If they were able to get the work done because Jellico sent them additional help from other departments or something like that, then I would argue that if Jellico was planning to do that, then he should have told the Engineering crew what he had in mind, so they could plan accordingly. I still maintain that Jellico was asking for the impossible by giving the crew orders that, by Data's projections, could not be done with the resources given. Jellico couldn't have known that the Engineering crew would pull a miracle right out of their asses - or, more accurately, that the show's writers would.
@joshuaweston6531
10 ай бұрын
The way Riker rubs in that "you're welcome"...I can just feel Jellico's pride taking a hit! 😁
@PassportBrosBusinessClass
4 жыл бұрын
The Federation in my opinion could whip the Cardassian’s asses. They keep foolishly tying their hands behind their back.
@dhinton1
4 жыл бұрын
The Federation definitely could, but did not want a war that would solve nothing for EITHER side. The Federation's primary goal was exploration, as JLP has mentioned frequently between the TV series, at least one of their movies, and especially in the novel series.
@baddriversofmoosejaw8681
4 жыл бұрын
They fought a war that lasted from 2347-2366. It mainly skirmished. It wasn't that the Federation couldn't win, it was that they didn't want to be involved in total war, that would cost lives and resources. The other thing is, the Cardassians, despite having less advanced technology than the Federation, are known for their deceptive tactics and highly skilled at ambushes. They proved to be a formidable foe, despite the odds against them.
@danieldickson8591
4 жыл бұрын
The Federation prided themselves on not starting wars. Peace and cooperation were their ideals.
@ryanarment5393
4 жыл бұрын
the newer ships such as the galaxy and nebula class ships were more than a match for even multiple cardassian warships. The thing is that the vast majority of Starfleet's vessels were the older class vessels. Miranda class, excelsior class, and oberth class vessels which were dedicated exploration and research vessels as opposed to prioritizing defense. They were at best on equal footing with the cardassians, and at worst outgunned. The federation didn't start emphasizing development of defensive starships until after wolf 359 and the buildup to the dominion war.
@nagash303
4 жыл бұрын
the federation needs more dilithium and the cardassians dont.
@needmorebrain
3 жыл бұрын
This episode truly stands out. Fantastic writing. Great side characters. This was so close to movie material. It's one of my favorites!
@Spanked78
4 жыл бұрын
Great episode and a fantastic guest cast. Ronny Cox and David Warner were excellent here.
@Youngstown529
4 жыл бұрын
I had a boss like Jellico once. He was a complete and utter asshole. I suffered under him for three years and finally told him I was done. I went on vacation, came back on Monday and he fired me. Gave me a ton of severance and I got a better job the next week. I call him the human cold sore.
@attiepollard7847
4 жыл бұрын
Did you at least thank him because in the future you will just act like him in a leadership position?
@chrismc410
2 жыл бұрын
Id have taken a page out the Klingon relationship of captain and first officer: Challenge him for command and kill him
@Youngstown529
11 ай бұрын
@@attiepollard7847 In fact, I have spent every moment trying to be exact opposite of him.
@jant.l.1647
2 жыл бұрын
Change my mind. But I think that Jellico is an excellent captain. This scene shows why the Admiral wanted him to take command of the enterprise
@shahidulkhan9566
2 жыл бұрын
Jellico was the perfect captain for enterprise.
@stevencoardvenice
Жыл бұрын
Yes. He was right all along. Riker was actually out of line in this episode. I didn't realize it until I got older
@askthepizzaguy
Жыл бұрын
Okay, I will attempt to change your mind in a respectful manner. I ask you to look at more than the results, for a moment. Jellico used the talent and crew of the Enterprise that flourished under Picard to achieve those results. Many of those officers would transfer away from Jellico to work for someone that inspired trust and did more than just bark orders, as correct as the decisions behind those orders may be, I wouldn't work for someone like Jellico, and I can prove it by all the jobs I have left when I realized I worked for someone like him. You're ranking him based on what he could accomplish based on leading a team cultivated and developed and inspired by Picard, and in the short time you saw him, he turned his own first officer against him, a VERY competent officer who historically has even exceeded Picard in raw ability whenever he was in command, most of the crew as well, and the senior officers. He also overworked them and overlooked the problems caused by his decisions, like how there wasn't enough staff for a four shift rotation, and didn't want to hear what problems his decisions caused. An effective commander can continue to insist the order gets followed if it is the right call, but that feedback is invaluable and he ignored it. That's the sign of a bad commander in the long term. If Jellico were tasked with building a staff and a crew from scratch, he would cause massive brain drain. He'd push away talented people who do not want to be ignored, mistreated, not trusted or listened to. In the long term, he would only have a crew of people willing to work in that environment, and every time I worked with a crew that was led by such a manager, they either had poor morale, a desire for revenge, no respect for their manager or his rules, or were sociopaths themselves. They were terrible to work with, and that also inspires good people to leave. Similar to how people with any sense leave a dictatorial nation like Russia or North Korea, when human rights and personal freedoms are suspended and advice is not heeded and people are treated as cannon fodder and without respect, the smart people who can leave always do. Loyalty is earned, so is trust, commanders like this absolutely destroy both things. You CANNOT have an effective team without these things, not for long. Jellico wasn't there for long and took advantage of assets Picard had, that he pushed away the entire time he was there. Consider also that Jellico made no decisions Picard couldn't have made. Picard could have ordered every single order that Jellico did, and the years of experience and trust and respect between the captain and crew would have made all those orders get carried out easier and more enthusiastically.
@samsticka
4 жыл бұрын
Jellico: Oh, and one more thing. I understand you're holding a Starfleet officer named Jean-Luc Picard. He said that as if he just found out. I guess he forgot at the moment Gul Lemec told him they were holding Picard at the beginning of the episode.
@Bitchslapper316
4 жыл бұрын
Not at all, Lemec tried to pressure him earlier into publicly acknowledging Picard's mission was sanctioned by starfleet and as such would be an act of war. That would have given the Cardassians legal leverage to launch an attack on a federation target which is why they were in the nebula ready to strike. Jelico refused to acknowledge Picard was on a mission which is why Riker spazzed out and got relieved of duty. This is him publicly acknowledging that Cardassians are holding a starfleet officer. He could only do this after he caught their invasion fleet and had them by the balls.
@dhinton1
4 жыл бұрын
They both knew that they all knew all along. as the prior comment said .... Jellico could not acknowledge it until he had ALL the leverage. That's all that was.
@DrownedInExile
4 жыл бұрын
Pity Jellico didn't bring out his signature line. "But that will leave us defenseless!" "Not my problem. *Get it done!* "
@samsticka
4 жыл бұрын
@@DrownedInExile Gul Lemec: Or what? Jellico: Mr. Worf, prepare to detonate… Gul Lemec: I will agree to your terms.
@kurtjk01
3 жыл бұрын
I always read that as a nod to Columbo; the "now, I've got ya," comment. Walking out, all is done . . . Oh. Just one more thing.
@jessejohnson159
4 жыл бұрын
It's great to work for a truly competent 'superior' Officer or NCO. Even more significant when later, after retirement, a Staff Sergeant recognizes you (without a name badge) and states "You're the reason I stayed in the military."
@Camcolito
4 жыл бұрын
Jelico is a great captain, it's not his problem the Enterprise is run like a daycare center.
@PluckyD
2 жыл бұрын
I like how both of them view the other as arrogant, but Jellico starts with "Insubordinate", as if questioning his logic or decisions unequivocally makes someone arrogant. Riker says "You ARE arrogant...", which sounds to me like that's the general consensus amongst everyone, Riker is just stating it in a way that implies "I've heard this, and you live up to it". Jellico thinks Riker is arrogant simply for not agreeing with him, Riker finds him arrogant because he'd think something as absurd as disagreeing makes someone arrogant...which is why Riker follows it up with "... and closed-minded" too.
@bradwatkins7564
Жыл бұрын
The insubordination is when Riker did not follow his order for the four shift rotation the first time he told him in addition to Riker screaming in his face about admitting Picard was on a starfleet mission. Riker was indeed insubordinate. Once the CO confirms the order that's the end of the convo. Data chastises Worf and Hobson for doing alot less than Riker does in this episode.
@jemsq
4 жыл бұрын
That shit eating grin on Riker gets me every time.
@RaymLovesEggs
Жыл бұрын
"I always knew where the line was drawn, and you just stepped over it, buddy-boy. You've insulted me and you've insulted this company with that bastard creation of yours. I had a guaranteed military sale with ED 209 - renovation program, spare parts for twenty-five years... Who cares if it worked or not?" -- Great actor!
@LordyT34
3 жыл бұрын
My gosh every actor on this show did an Oscar worthy performance I swear
Ronnie Cox seem to play hard ass character roles. He was great as the villain Cohagen in the original Total Recall movie. 😂
@Ben82077
Жыл бұрын
The reality of this is that they’re officers like this - and XO’s who hold their ground and tell them what they think. He is a bad captain. He may have experience in negotiating but like Riker said “You have everyone wound up so tight-there’s no joy in anything.” There’s way to approach officers to get something done, then there’s the wrong way to tell them to get something done.
@patrickradcliffe3837
11 ай бұрын
Jellico made a really bad first impression when he took command. First they are in a tense geopolitical situation and he is wasting his time and resources rearranging the shift rotation disrupting the pace and flow of the efficient operation his command. Luckily he did not have to test those changes he made in combat. Riker also did not make the beat first impression by not implementing those changes, but he was advocating for the crew at this point and Jellico failed to listen to the officer that was second in command of the operation of the ship. In this scene they both admitted that they were a very bad fit together as a command staff. Which given Jellico's style and persoanlity Data was a perfect choice for him.
@daveg5857
Жыл бұрын
We need the Enterprise to drive our Kardashians from the galaxy!
Riker: You are arrogant and close minded. You need to control everything and everyone Jellico: ...yeah, well, um, you've been treated for every STD known in the quadrant, and you keep on infecting the newer female cadets (and a select group of the males), so there. Riker: Touché
@boilerboy
4 жыл бұрын
Isn't it just lovely when your boss, who treats you and other like crap, comes to you for help and you hold all the cards. And you finally get to dictate the terms of whether or not you supply that help. I just loved Riker in this moment.
@Idazmi7
4 жыл бұрын
Isn't it lovely with an arrogant first officers wagers the future of the Federation on a personal vendetta against his boss?
@SteppingWolf
4 жыл бұрын
Jellicho should have held one short speech along the lines of "Ok we're headed for some serious shit. That's why I need everyone to do their best."
@Rendclaw
4 жыл бұрын
@Fred Miller Jr No, Jellico is a half step short of being a martinet. He is one of those captains that expects his orders to be followed without question, and those captains either get bumped up to admiral or they get killed because in Riker's painfully correct assessment, part of being a good Starfleet captain is to value the opinions of the officers under his command. Kirk did it, Picard did it, Sisko did it, Janeway did it (even though she had to learn it in the beginning), Archer did it (though he had to learn it during and shortly after the attack on Earth). Jellico obviously does not do that, and his command style clashed hard with Riker and the rest of the crew. His dressing down of Troi (as well as the changing of the duty shifts), while by the book was justified and well within his rights, they were Jellico's attempt to remake the Enterprise crew in his own image of what the flagship should be, never mind the massive successes the Enterprise had up to that point. If Jellico had been in command at the time of The Best of Both Worlds, The Enterprise would have been destroyed and Earth would have been assimilated.
@jamiengo2343
3 жыл бұрын
@@Rendclaw the Enterprise up until that point hadn’t really faced the sort of military situation that they were encountering. They’d never engaged in proper pitched battles nor had they intended to. The majority of time they were flying round in uncharted systems facing completely and utterly inferior species or races.
@icecold9511
3 жыл бұрын
@@Rendclaw My assessment was Jelico didn't need a staff. He knew everything. A man who makes others feel small so he can feel special. Not the best choice to lead others into battle.
@Birthday888
3 жыл бұрын
@@jamiengo2343 And while that's true, Jellico doesn't inspire trust in any of his subordinates. And because he refuses to even listen to their opinions, they doubt his competency. Which then leads to the problems in the episode. He either needed to get the crew to understand that they would have to trust his decisions because of how time-sensitive the situation was, or he needed to demonstrate his knowledge/compentency so that the crew had a reason to trust his decisions aside from his position. Because he does neither, the crew spends the whole episode second-guessing and doubting his decisions even if they were objectively correct. Basically, Jellico expected the entire crew to place their lives in his hands without a single justification as to why. And while that could work in a military that emphasizes quick reactions and obediance, the independance necessary for operating in Star Fleet exploration runs directly contrary to Jellico's style of leadership.
@dogkungfu8510
4 жыл бұрын
Both sides can be right, and both sides can be wrong, and both sides can be both right and wrong. In the end, not only was this critical mission accomplished, but every main character became a better officer. The Enterprise crew had become to soft, too casual, too comfortable. And while Jellico was the right fit for this particular mission, he got to see exactly why his command style wouldn't cut it with the best of the best for very long. Reminds me of when Kurn was f ing with the whole crew just to evaluate his brother. If I had to pick sides, I would have to say Jellico was right. His sense of urgency was absolutely correct for this particular situation, and it is surprising how many of the senior staff failed to see this.
@andyme3541
4 жыл бұрын
In someways he was right the problem was... he was coming onto a ship where the plan was it to be a short term command and changing everything around him to fit his style. IT would have been fine if he was taking over the Enterprise long term and they had time to fit into his style, but he wasn't, the plan was always for Picard to come back and he knew that. Worse through was the shift changes he introduced, it was a terrible idea, while his preferred shift style might have been better long term, it introduced into the crew right before a dangerous and vital mission a great way to give a lot of them Jet Lag.
@akshin1556
4 жыл бұрын
@@andyme3541 I've never served in the military myself, but I have read some opinions on this from people who are veterans or currently serving. They said that when you're preparing for an impending crisis, you should be changing from a three-shift rotation to a two-shift rotation, so that everyone works 12 hours a day instead of 8. These people argued that changing to a four-shift rotation, which actually reduces people's working hours, during an emergency makes no sense. Basically, changing to a four-shift rotation means that every crew member now has to get 8 hours' worth of work done in 6 hours, just to maintain the same productivity they had before. To look at it another way ... Suppose that a particular department has 120 crew members. With a three-shift rotation, there are 40 crew members working at any given time. With a four-shift rotation, the working personnel is reduced to 30. Which essentially means that, at any given time, 30 people need to somehow do the work of 40 people, just to get the same amount of work done as before. Changing to a four-shift rotation would only work if every department got additional personnel, but there was no indication that was happening here. Even if Jellico was reassigning personnel from the science labs that were being shut down, that still creates a shortfall because the newly reassigned personnel are being forced into an unfamiliar working environment, meaning that they won't be able to work as quickly or as well as the personnel normally working in that section.
@Perplexer1
3 жыл бұрын
Ronny Cox's characters were always the best in any movie or series!
@SegoviaMD
4 жыл бұрын
Everyone seems to forget Picard’s attitude when he assumed command of the Enterprise in “encounter at farpoint”. When you are pressed for time you don’t stand on pleasantries, you give orders and expect them to be carried out. Jellico was a fine captain, he just didn’t have time to get to know the crew, so he asked of them what they are trained for.
@ultramaximusreviews
Жыл бұрын
I would have liked to have seen Jellico make a cameo in Picard Season 3
@anicetune
9 ай бұрын
Jellico’s aggression ultimately achieved nothing other than to upset the crew. Ultimately, the Enterprise-D got its flagship captain back and Jellico went back to his rustbucket of a starship where he no doubt continued bullying his traumatised crew.
@mezanine10
3 ай бұрын
He became an Admiral
@dodgeman4360
4 жыл бұрын
Love that last "You're welcome" stab at politeness
@WUZLE
4 жыл бұрын
And that Riker didn't stand up. It was a calculated act of disrespect and Jellico stepped in close to loom over him to try to regain control.
@DrownedInExile
4 жыл бұрын
Considering Jellico was trying to get out like a bat out of hell, didn't even thank Riker or wish him luck. I'd say that jab was well-earned.
@robertballasty395
4 жыл бұрын
Smarmy and insubordinate, but Riker had just enough leeway because Jellico had set rank aside during the conversation and hadn't restored it yet.
@nightboard9926
Жыл бұрын
If you micro-manage your officers, it smothers their growth, destroys their morale, and expresses distrust and contempt. It is very not-good to have a resentful crew.
@imofage3947
7 ай бұрын
Jellico is a technocrat. He was brought in for his expertise with Cardassians. Despite the episode painting him as the secondary antagonist, he only did 1 thing wrong in the entire 2 parts. That was reassigning half of Engineering to Security before they finished the modifications which Data stated would take the entire department working round the clock for 2 days. Everything else he did was well within his rights and very reasonable for a military situation. They were basically preparing for a flashpoint confrontation that could have kicked off an interstellar war. He conducted himself like a competent military officer and the crew threw a tempertantrum. But THE best thing he did for the show was to get Troi out of that catsuit.
@jayman105
3 жыл бұрын
Very satisfying to see Jellico put in his place over and over. DON'T MESS WITH RIKER!
@mattdickson2
4 жыл бұрын
the difference between Jelico and Picard is this: Picard is at his core a diplomat and explorer, Jelico is a MILITARY man at heart he expects orders to be followed simply because they are orders and to him discipline is everything because without discipline people die.
@DugNick3
4 жыл бұрын
You don't watch much Star Trek, do you?
@icecold9511
3 жыл бұрын
Except good military men don't try to make everyone feel small. You need them to believe in their ability, not inability. Richard Winters comes to mind. He didn't puff himself up like Jelly does. Riker is a far better choice. He expects competency, so doesn't ignore people like Jelly did. Ego can not replace knowing what you're doing. I liked the militarily mindset, but execution was horrible.
@Grimblenork
4 жыл бұрын
Data just doesn't look right in red
@MikeLikesChannel
4 жыл бұрын
He was supposed to be in red as a 2nd officer, but it clashed badly with his makeup so he wears Ops gold.
@vseegobi
4 жыл бұрын
Who was the chief science officer on the Enterprise?
@2bituser569
4 жыл бұрын
Trojansfan Though originally cmdr Sulu in twok was to take command of Excelsior in 3 weeks but it was edited out when they decided to make more movies.
@cid2852
4 жыл бұрын
I saw the first Robocop movie before I saw anything else that had Ronny Cox in it, so I end up being reminded of it when I see him in any other role. I'm imaging lines like "I'm cashing you out, Picard!"
@HelenaRG71
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks to Jellico Deanna Troy wears an Uniform from now on.
@DugNick3
4 жыл бұрын
And it's and a damn shame too 😡
@CalifScots
4 ай бұрын
After Jellico leaves the Enterprise, Riker is finally able to relax some. Suddenly over the comms….”Picard to Riker, where the hell are my fish?!?” Lol
@sashanan
Ай бұрын
"Do I want to know how close that was?" "No."
@Kalentros
5 ай бұрын
Ronnie Cox is such a great actor.
@robertpolityka8464
4 жыл бұрын
As much as a prick that Jellico comes across, Riker was the bigger prick in that scene...with the smug on his face. Jellico could have ordered Riker, but chose not to. Too many lives were at stake for an argument raised over a closed subject. Riker was the man for the job. At least they took a moment to "speak their peace".
@Pyxis10
4 жыл бұрын
Gained a small amount of respect for Jellico here. Still don't like him, but frankly he was the one that was more in the right here. Gotta love how Riker calls him arrogant, and then is arrogant himself 15 seconds later.
@dogkungfu8510
4 жыл бұрын
It's like Riker was going out of his way to prove the captain's opinion of him was correct.
@idkyet4924
Жыл бұрын
I feel like their openness to one another they'd make a good duo
@tinman3586
21 күн бұрын
Spacedock did an awseome analysis of this scene. Jellico has to go down to Riker's quarters and beg him to do his job so as save lives while Riker gets to sit there in his silk sleep ware complaining about how Jellico isnt making this dangerous mine laying operation behind enemy lines quite cheeful and joyous enough for him.
@Redshirt434
Жыл бұрын
Picard was the diplomat and explorer, Jellico was the solider who clearly spent plenty of time at the Cardassian border.
@jdotoz
4 жыл бұрын
"But that would leave us defenseless!" As opposed to your current situation?
@DrownedInExile
4 жыл бұрын
"That's your problem. Get it done!"
@Farzlepot
4 жыл бұрын
Cardassian space must be a fecking disaster zone if a fleet of Cardassian warships is worried about getting back to base.
@jdotoz
4 жыл бұрын
@@Farzlepot I always assumed they meant they would be defenseless against the Enterprise.
@jackskatter.3888
4 жыл бұрын
j.oz you shouldnt cardassians are conquerors but the aren’t particularly good as genocide. So theres still a lot of enemies capable of space travel and that wouldnt let a fleet of cardassian warships get away armed or unarmed. They would likely be destroyed before too long.
@hawhite2000
4 жыл бұрын
I'd like to point out that this mission was supposedly a diplomatic one but the entire time leading up to meeting with the Cardassians Jellico spent that time preparing for battle.
@akshin1556
4 жыл бұрын
It seems to me that Jellico never believed that diplomacy had any real chance of success with the Cardassians. That's why he was so focused on a military solution. He may have been right, but it still has to be pointed out ... The problem with going into a negotiation ASSUMING that it will fail is that you will usually find a way to make that happen.
@Bobsmith-xq2pr
Жыл бұрын
You don't negotiate with the Space Fascists
@mikespearman1414
Жыл бұрын
@Wicker_ That's the Roddenberry way!
@MDE_never_dies
Жыл бұрын
@@Bobsmith-xq2prApparantly you do
@Bobsmith-xq2pr
Жыл бұрын
@@MDE_never_dies I'm missing context
@MrDigimal
4 жыл бұрын
Love the way Data copys Rikers body language when in the first officer role
@Wolfenstein69924
3 ай бұрын
How I wish I could’ve said this to my old boss. He was just like Jellico.
@JohnDoe-xk1dv
8 ай бұрын
I like in this exchange, effectively, both characters were correct. Riker was inflexible to Jellico in some respects, for a mission that needed it - and he needed calling on that. However, Jellico is too much of an obsessed micro manager, and indeed - doesn't inspire that trust atmosphere that a crew needs. To their credit, Riker comes under Jellico's command effectively the rest of the episode, and Jellico takes Riker's feedback on board to become better in his remaining crew exchanges. A great pair of lessons, from a great episode, that took me a long while to learn could apply to my life as well.
@September2004
Жыл бұрын
1:30 That walking straight out showed how immature Jellico is.
@bmonster
2 жыл бұрын
This is why jellico is a bad captain. He isolated everyone from the beginning and pushed his authority over the mission and ended up having to crawl back to Riker with his tail between his legs. If this was Kirk or picard or sisko they would have been able to instill respect from the crew and still make the final call even if their crew didn't fully agree, at least they would trust him. Like he said he didn't have time for people to like him. Well if they don't like AND they don't respect you then they aren't going to put their lives at risk for you. As far as they knew picard was dead so they had no reason to follow jellico except they were starfleet.....but when you can resign at any time this isn't strong enough motivation to follow your captain to was or death
@GPz84
2 жыл бұрын
Ronnie Cox...great actor.
@joe9739
8 ай бұрын
Riker: Then ask. Jellico: Will you pilot the mission? Riker: Not this time. No chance. We got you! Total fabrication.... How much money would it take to get you to spend the night at a cemetery?
@squidman22
4 жыл бұрын
Lots of bosses and managers out there that rule by fear and mistrust and they indeed kill any joy that the job ever had. I'd venture to say that most workers and labor don't operate on money/pay alone. You have to like what you are doing. Even a little bit. I hated the character of Captain Jellico for what he stood for.
@attiepollard7847
4 жыл бұрын
You hate him because he takes no bull crap excuses for anyone working for him
@WaitingtoHit
3 жыл бұрын
Jellico is like the space version of Charles Miner on The Office. He reminds viewers of every crappy boss they've ever had.
@cutehumor
2 жыл бұрын
Jellico is the asshole manager in every job. I see it all the time.
@Not-Ap
2 жыл бұрын
@@attiepollard7847 His second on command was a android a living computer. People aren't computers or things. They need proper incentive to function at there peak efficiency even if they are obligated to serve you. You don't get there best if rule through fear just get the bare minimum. Sometimes that's enough but most of time it isn't especially not in the long term.
@attiepollard7847
2 жыл бұрын
@@Not-Ap it's either you adapt to his authority or you may have to leave Starfleet. You're going to have lots of captains like that.
@Afterburner
Жыл бұрын
Watching Riker hand Jellico his &ss? Priceless.
@joescofield6159
3 жыл бұрын
Captain: Let's drop ranks I don't like you you are will full. Riker: my name is will damnit
@SchneeflockeMonsoon
4 жыл бұрын
4 notes about this: 1. Data looks darn snazzy in red. 2. Riker is so smug, and he has no right to be. He’s not practical in a lot of ways, instead he’s an idealist in an episode that’s a bit of a realist one. 3. Patrick Stewart is the king of acting. 4. The Federation was so timid during their Cardassian encounters. I really was glad when the Borg curb-stomped the Feds so they’d finally get in gear.
@dvdai1206
2 ай бұрын
Something cool i like this is that jellico ask for picard release, it wasn’t necessary but is something extra he did, although i can see Jellico dont want to rule the enterprise anymore
@dirdib69
Жыл бұрын
Jellico being an asshole is almost refreshing. I certainly think that Riker and Picard are better commanders, but it makes sense that there would be control-freak types in command, and Jellico doesn't know any of them. It does make me wonder what he would be like around a crew he did know.
@user-qz1sj1ru3d
6 ай бұрын
Jellico was an awesome Captain.
@IRMentat
4 жыл бұрын
tough situation, tough job, tough methods, tough (substitute) captain, tough to handle another mans crew not most diplomatic way to handle things but it certainly got the job done under unfortunate circumstances.
@dazashmore8371
4 жыл бұрын
Will Riker should have gotten much more respect from senior officers, most of 'em would be Borg if it wasn't for him
@akshin1556
4 жыл бұрын
That's a good point. Remember that brief encounter with an Enterprise from a Borg-infested universe in the episode "Parallels"? I wonder how Captain Jellico and the Cairo were doing in that universe where Starfleet failed to stop the Borg from assimilating the Federation. I'd be willing to bet that that universe's Captain Jellico would have a very different perspective on a Starfleet officer who succeeded in stopping the Borg.
@jamesshields5302
4 жыл бұрын
I feel the need for self-reflection and introspection after being "recommended" this specifically titled video by KZitem....
@shinzontheta
4 жыл бұрын
Same here seeing is that argument basically describes my relationship with my boss currently.
@Spacemonster2024
4 жыл бұрын
"Good. Otherwise, I'll erase your ass." 😂😂🤣🤣
@Koshtheevilone
2 ай бұрын
Always saw Riker as the one who was the bad command officer. He couldn't get past his own opinions and let it guide his response to Jellico. In the end Jellico defeated the Cardassians and saw the return of Capt. Picard.
@beckywalters2
4 жыл бұрын
Nice Burn
@andymaggie7137
4 жыл бұрын
I sort of liked Jellico. Often what seems unreasonable is only a departure from what we are used to.
@akshin1556
4 жыл бұрын
Ordering the crew to perform a task with only two-thirds as many personnel as the task actually requires really is unreasonable, though. Data said that realigning the warp coil in two days' time would require the entire Engineering department, and even then, only if everybody in Engineering worked around the clock for the full two days. Despite knowing this, Jellico transferred a full third of the Engineering staff to Security and still expected the warp coil to be realigned in two days.
@Hartzilla2007
4 жыл бұрын
@@akshin1556 And Picard's first order to Riker was to manually re-dock the ship just becuase. People seem to forget Picard started out as a bit of a dick and mellowed out over the years.
@siatelecomsltdLondon
2 жыл бұрын
Jellico grabs Riker by the hair and says: "You just, F#CK WITH ME!"😁
@GBRyker61
4 жыл бұрын
Whoops. The people doing the sets and model work for the shuttle scenes weren't talking to one another. The model was a Type 7 Shuttlecraft. The shuttlecraft interior set is one used when a Type 6 Shuttle model is being used.
@davajita
4 жыл бұрын
I hope somebody got fired for that blunder
@GBRyker61
4 жыл бұрын
@@davajita that's a little harsh.
@brianhamer7273
4 жыл бұрын
This was an amazing episode.
@cwill1098
4 жыл бұрын
"And getting good pilots are where you find them!
@alyssaskier2656
3 ай бұрын
Riker: "But you have to ask me nicely. You see, Eddy, I can deal with the phasers and the disrupters and the blood. I don't want money and I don't want medals. What I do want is for you to stand there in that f*****y captain's uniform and with your Starfleet mouth extend me some f***ing courtesy! You gotta ask me nicely."
@JoeDutchman
3 жыл бұрын
The writing here was kind of crap. This is a serious military situation involving the life of Picard, and Riker is worried about "Joy" in his work. Jellico came onboard to negotiate, fight a potential battle, and support Picard's away team. Of course the writing here also has to make the cast look good, so naturally the side characters have to be viewed as the aholes
@bobpage6597
3 жыл бұрын
As a child I hated Jellico - as an adult, I'm on Jellico's side. Riker was a complete bellend in this episode. In fact they all were. Whining all the time like children, forgetting they chose to serve and there are expectations that come with that uniform.
@jmlaw8888
3 жыл бұрын
I disagree. Jellico was a close minded, arrogant control freak unfit to command the Enterprise. Starfleet is not a military organization and the Enterprise is a ship of exploration. The crew need to be competant, disciplined and follow orders but they do NOT need to bend to Jellicos every whim and structure their life aboard around his performance requirements. He was an awful Captain suited neither to the ship he was given or his era and I pity the kind of masochists that enjoy being under his command. Just because his style of command works fine in a real world pissant military doesnt mean anything. He was out of his depth. Picard inspired people to not only put their lives on the line, but he inspired them to survive. The only thing Jellico inspired was the knowledge that if they died they wouldnt have to put up with his command any more. Compare him to Picard, Janeway or Sisco and the conclusion was obvious: not suitable to be considered for greatness as a Starfleet Captain. He is just someone who will get the job done, no matter how badly. Without Picards command staff carrying him his Captaincy would likely have ended in disaster.
@bobpage6597
3 жыл бұрын
@@jmlaw8888 "Starfleet is not a military organization" - it certainly is a military organisation. Otherwise why bother with a chain of command structure, regulations, uniforms, training and strict discipline. Starfleet most certainly IS the military branch of the Federation and even Roddenberry himself said this!! I don't know where people get this idea from that it ISN'T a military organisation but it most certainly IS. Yeah the Enterprise is first and foremost a ship of exploration, but why bother having it seriously equipped with multiple phaser banks and a heavy load of photon torpedo's? I look at it like this - they bitched and moaned because Jellico had his standards AND expectations. Riker and the rest were a bunch of soft babies complaining, seemingly blind to the fact they could be going into a crisis at any moment with the Cardassians. Jellico was more correct in his approach - the orders are given, get it done. No more discussion.
@JoeDutchman
3 жыл бұрын
@@jmlaw8888 Except he was the Cardacian expert and the crew threw a hissy fit on day one; when they were in a situation that could have meant war for the federation
@shahidulkhan9566
2 жыл бұрын
@@jmlaw8888 what a load of garbage. The federation created Starfleet as protection for the different planets in the galaxy. Any starship part of Starfleet was equipped to be a battleship. The federation exploring the galaxy was to make alliances and to let outliers in the galaxy know that the federation was ready for any response.
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