changed the ingame build already! sorry, just decided mystic burst is better than infuser! more consistent damage overall, and also will give some more spirit shield which is nice. infuser would be better in a build that focuses more on spirit damage and cards, but mystic burst is better for lane phase and we are going to be selling it later anyway! P.S sorry if mic quality is a little worse in this video, wont happen again!
@thelaw3536
2 күн бұрын
Yeah. gun damage plus card dmg make mystic burst better. Also ammo scvanger is better than infuser unless you are looking for burst heal along with something else. Like seven orb, infuser, ult will carry him through early dps.
@dorpth
2 күн бұрын
Plus the added benefit that I'm just too forgetful and clumsy to remember any actives.
@agedgouda8809
2 күн бұрын
So at the 12 minute 50 second mark, we see the build around mid game where no flex slots are filled and ur last remaining tier 1 purple item is infuser. Would you, having replaced infuser with mystic burst, sell that instead of extra charge here or would you still sell extra charge and keep mystic burst?
@thelaw3536
2 күн бұрын
@@agedgouda8809 damage wise extra charge will be better because you get more cards. It's 80 to 100 DPS at this point
@DreadDoom
2 күн бұрын
I'd like to believe that I played some part in influencing the change from Infuser to Mystic Burst :D
@dumbvillage9253
2 күн бұрын
Wraith is a gambler, lucky shot is a gambling item. This is why you should go melee vindicta
@smeefu
2 күн бұрын
enjoyed this one
@SnugJoiner
2 күн бұрын
Hey. I'm an Analyst -- spreadsheets and data are what I do. Here's the summary on some weird math regarding why Lucky Shot actually gives you +55% Weapon Damage: 1. Base damage without ANY ITEMS is 5.5/bullet. 2. T4 weapon items grant +18% weapon damage, making it 6.49/bullet 3. Empowered Bullets scale off of the increased 6.49 damage bullets by +90%. 4. Multiply the 35% proc chance x +90% Empower damage for an average of +31.5% damage. 5. 6.49 x 31.5% = 8.53 average damage/bullet. -- I tested 15 mags so you didn't have to, and got 8.63/bullet, so that seems about right. 6. The increase from 5.5 -> 8.53 is +55% increased bullet damage. Lucky Shot gives +30% mag size (or 30% more +55% damage bullets), decreasing down time and increasing DPS once you factor in reloads. Meanwhile, imposing -35% move speed on enemies is mean, and also helps your team secure kills or escape, not just yourself. Thanks for the video!
@eduardobreda1279
2 күн бұрын
I'm a new MOBA player, coming from a decade of FPS (mainly GO and 2), and finding your channel and a couple others basically jumpstarted my understanding of these mechanics by some hundreds of hours. You have a great knack for explaining not what works, but the why and how, which is making me able to play basically any character rn (not good, obviously, but not lost either). Thank you for the time you put into these, it really helps mate. Wish you success!
@mattyryon
2 күн бұрын
Bonus damage doesn't crit, and the multi is a separate calculation after the weapon damage bonus. By doing 100% headshots on the dummy you skewed the results greatly, if you do it more realistically and do like 30-40% headshots then the lucky shot comes out way ahead.
@enso8762
2 күн бұрын
Yeah... terrible comparison between lucky shot and crippling headshot... Ok I tested it... CH is better than LS on WRAITH because she also deals spirit damage with her 3... LS is better if you only deal bullet damage. On haze, she deals almost 2k more damage with LS than CH with the same build
@Gundamsuit
2 күн бұрын
also crippling headshot should be on a support character for the debuff since this is a team game you know
@nokyap4638
2 күн бұрын
the reason your comment is wrong is because lucky shot doesnt reduce bullet res nor spirit res and if you only headshot once the debuff already is applied for 4 seconds
@mattyryon
2 күн бұрын
@@nokyap4638 I never implied that the debuff was the reason for the difference, dimwit. The relative gains from lucky shot are lowered when you compare all headshots to a real headshot rate of 30-40%, regardless of any resists
@enso8762
2 күн бұрын
@@nokyap4638 nah, it's because of wraith's 3 deals spirit damage and CH reduces both bullet and spirit res, LS is only bullet damage. Check my edit above, I explained it there
@staygoldpwnyboy923
2 күн бұрын
These videos are top notch stuff. Way better than the clickbait garbage a lot of bigger channels are uploading.
@DroopSpyda
2 күн бұрын
I definitely agree that lucky shots can be situational, but bonus damage does apply differently than "+xx% weapon damage". The weapon damage increase mods add to a pool which is very visible where as the bonus damage is a different multiplier in the damage calc. If I buy an item that has a total of +50% weapon damage, but my pool is already 250% that is only a total increase to my output damage of 20% (300/250 -> 1.2). Where as with lucky shots this is a multiplier that multiplies on top of all of this. So the damage calc seems to take more of a form of (flat damages)*(increase damage)*(bonus damage). From testing the bonus damage category does not seem to be unique as the multiplier you get from hitting headshots also appears to be a 90% bonus damage. Meaning if you hit a headshot lucky shot it is a total of 180% bonus damage thus doubling the pool, but not 90% * 90%. If you already have a large increase pool, it might make sense to go for lucky shots since it will act as a multiplier, but if you have a small increase pool normal % weapon damage will be closer to fully effective and might make more sense. Edit: also wanted to mention to not sleep on the headshot flat damage mods. They are two of the few ways of getting additional flat damage and thus can easily provide massive boosts to DPS!
@smeefu
2 күн бұрын
my pool of weapon damage bonus is already extremely high in this video due to intensifying mag, and you see that when i demonstrated dps by only shooting the head, crippling headshot still gave significantly more dps than lucky shot, its just a bad item!
@dorpth
2 күн бұрын
Your math is true that LS is a final, separate multiplier. But even then there are SO many other items that give you better results earlier and/or cheaper. I'm not sure you're ever going to see a game going on long enough where you get enough souls where it would finally make sense to pick up LS. There's probably at LEASY 70k souls of other stuff you're better off getting first. They tried to make it the Daedalus from DotA 2 or the Infinity Edge from LoL, but it just isn't.
@thelaw3536
2 күн бұрын
@@dorpth I mean if you aren't going inhibiter and have a lot of gun damage lucky shot is a viable option with your mag and fire rate. It does need a buff though since it should also lower firerate.
@thelaw3536
2 күн бұрын
@@dorpth If you have mystic slow on with lucky shot they basically cant move normally.
@owenkapler7630
2 күн бұрын
@@smeefuthis assumes I’m good enough to hit the head tho 😫
@additionalgirth544
8 сағат бұрын
Dude, I lost my first 6 Wraith games using the top builds. Always going Lucky shot + Tesla bullets. I tried your build and I have won 10 games in a row, top fragged on 5 of them. Absolutely amazing breakdown.
@newtypecrono1041
2 күн бұрын
Hey man I wanted to say thank you so much. Wraith is my fav character but I’ve always under performed and never got kills. With this exact build I went 23-3-15 today. My best game ever. It’s like I actually under her now. Thank you thank you thank you so much !!!
@benemenhall4215
2 күн бұрын
Always love your builds and feel even more confident when youre able to explain each item so coherently.
@4znSensation
2 күн бұрын
How did you get DPS to display? Love the overall explanations of everything!
@WeGoTSkiLL
2 күн бұрын
Why are you the only person asking this 😭
@smeefu
2 күн бұрын
f7 console command, "hud_damagemeter true"
@WeGoTSkiLL
2 күн бұрын
@@smeefu Thanks man ❤️
@VolodymyrHordiienko-s4l
2 күн бұрын
I really recomend you trying hybrid Wraith build. RIckoshet is proccing your E on-hit at 100% effectivenes and charge your cards at just insane rate. Add to this spirit items that debuff enemies on hit like Mystic Slow, Soul Shredder Bullets, Improved Reach (on ult, it also noticebly improves richoshet distance) and Escalating Exposure. You'll hit like a truck multiple enemies at once, will be throwing cards litterally without cd and clearing waves in seconds.
@DreadDoom
2 күн бұрын
Before the nerf to Wraith's Card Trick this would be a fun alternative but now that her cards have 0.75s delay the cards are just too slow to toss out to make up for the lost DPS from having lower gun damage :/
@VolodymyrHordiienko-s4l
2 күн бұрын
@@DreadDoom Thats the thing - you are building alot of spirit items so when you need pure dps you use your gun only for charging cards, but gun is still viable for waveclear and consistant aoe dmg.
@DreadDoom
2 күн бұрын
@@VolodymyrHordiienko-s4l But your cards take too long to throw nowadays, 0.75s between cards is too long, it won't out-DPS a gun build.
@VolodymyrHordiienko-s4l
Күн бұрын
@@DreadDoom im not telling that it's highest dps build. I'd better say that's build for not letting enemy team push your base due to your waveclear efficiency. And cards don't have dmg falloff, so i just stay at range and when some Vecndicta is on the radar 5 cards in a row should teach her. That's a playstyle choice, not just dps
@DreadDoom
Күн бұрын
@@VolodymyrHordiienko-s4l Yep that's fair :)
@thelaw3536
2 күн бұрын
Also after lane getting boots upgraded as fast as allowable is really important for clearing and rotating. Without it you will largely be stuck in your immediate quadrent and you will have to blow your stamina gagage to quickly get to a fight
@disbled
11 сағат бұрын
More people need to hear about lucky shot. Too many of my teammates rush lucky shot on gun characters and it's so terrible when they don't have a lot of flat damage increase yet...
@crazytactics3603
2 күн бұрын
Thank you for this. Really filled the gaps in my building strat with Wraith.
@AmnesiuzTV
3 күн бұрын
As always great guide, Loved your channel since the infernus build since I had almost essentially the same idea about him and how easy it would be to make him almost unkillable and then you made a video about a build for it and I laughed about our similarities in thinking. On Wraith you got me offguard with the melee ones but at the same time watching the top Yamato guides out there building these too, I can totally see it and you play it pretty much similar early on. Since you seem to be playing all my mains I am stoked to see all these, so if I could ask for a hero guide (someone who not everyone covered from base to base, I am curious about a Geist build because many seem to play her almost purely spirit damage and I'm one of very few that plays her hybrid and loves weapon items too on her because her weapon scales so well, so I would be very curious on your view on her. Same with Dynamo as for me I just really love the gun, but not quite the support aspect but Ive seen some carry builds and I have a feeling you would be building him in that direction too, so thats a big one for me as well. Shivs and Pockets are covered quite a bit over the net so maybe a bebop guide a proper one or to get technical Talon. But I think Geist and Dynamo would be two good ones :)
@smeefu
3 күн бұрын
appreciate the kind words very much, guides for all heros will be out eventually, just trying to focus on the most requested ones first :) P.S Gun Geist goes HARD
@AmnesiuzTV
2 күн бұрын
@@smeefu OMG THANK YOU, people always tellin me i should lean like 70% into spirit and Im like: NAAAA I'm a shooter player through and through with moba experience, and since her gun is so good and you could just silence her and make her essentially useless for a second then I just laugh at my friend by doing some serious gun damage alongside as I play her pretty much hybrid 50 50. No way we agree on something again :D Well I put some requests out then and it makes sense to go for the ones that are the most asked for but was also just for you or in general keeping in mind that the new youtubers can have a little bit their 'corners' for now so people covering all the bases first instead of 10k pocket guides etc if you know what I mean. Well then Im actually gonna throw another suggestion in cause i never play tank but for some reason Ive really started lovin Krill out of nowhere, so ill put that one in the request bin too ;) But now without more spam, so stoked to read your opinion of gun geist too :D Ill be ultimately watching all of your guides just cause I really appreciate your and deathys content alot :)
@Kaizsu_
2 күн бұрын
@@AmnesiuzTV I agree, I've only played 2 games of geist and I went a more gun focused build and it foes STUPID damage lategame if they have malice stacks and you consistently hit headshots. I was basically 3-4 tapping the squishier characters.
@AmnesiuzTV
2 күн бұрын
@@Kaizsu_ Yeap people just ignore the fact her weapon scales so nicely. I still play a minimum of 40-50% spirit too cause in combination its crazy because they cant just shut you down if youre hybrid, but all those people saying play grenade build and rely 70-80% on spirit/abilities are seriously missing out. Especially like headshot booster early with grenades + scavenger to finish a minion and then headshot the enemy because of the bullets you get back, puts A lot of pressure on. Ive played her alot and her grenade is very crazy oppressive on lane and even later, but thatswhy i love weapon too because they have to focus on either my nades or me headshotting them, and if you time it properly they can only avoid one, and often out of stress even eat both.
@saintyoo
3 күн бұрын
Thanks for the guide! (Edit: ignore my math, read my replies with testing below) Hard agree on Lucky Shot. If you do the math, it's basically: 18% weapon damage implicit 30% ammo, 31.5% weapon damage (0.9 x 0.35 = 0.315) , 30% slow 6200 souls
@ponaskompetencija
2 күн бұрын
It is 90% damage and not 30 or 31. You are doing it all wrong
@moonchamp8566
2 күн бұрын
@@ponaskompetencija90% damage.. with a 35% chance to proc, so all that “bonus damage” will just be a single bullet’s chance to do more damage. I would say the only benefit to this item is a chance to slow but.. there’s like 4+ cheaper AND stronger options to slow like in the video. The ammo bonus is essentially given from Vampire with the bonus mag added on use, with the bonus of everything else. Lucky bullet is a trap sadly :p
@ponaskompetencija
2 күн бұрын
@@moonchamp8566 it procs extremely often, even with that 30% chance and there are 3 items in game that give this damage and lucky shot is one of them
@saintyoo
2 күн бұрын
@@ponaskompetencijaIf it does 90% damage 35% of the time, that averages out to 31.5% weapon damage. Not sure what is confusing, you can try it out yourself in sandbox. Edit: I did some quick testing with and without lucky shot 5 mag dumps each (no other items). Without lucky shot 10.896 damage per bullet average. With lucky shot 14.726 per bullet average. That is an increase of 35.153% with a small sample size.
@dorpth
2 күн бұрын
@@ponaskompetencija Math, how does it work?
@konovo223
2 күн бұрын
Im so glad somebody (more well spoken) made a video on something i tried to explain to a friend. I keep getting told im wasting money on the melee early and the armor vs burst champs when im ahead 😒 i play objective so if i can finnish the guy cool but i need to spike early so i can get some pressure on the map.
@iconic3393
2 күн бұрын
Ive been recommending your channel to all my friends, great work, only deadlock KZitemr im trusting
@smeefu
2 күн бұрын
thank you so much!
@dylanlasky2389
3 күн бұрын
Seeing this build makes me feel sad about mcginnis gun. Her and wraith have basically the same gun role but mcginnis is just worse. Hope they buff it!
@rivetace
2 күн бұрын
McGinnis has like 30 more base gun DPS than Wraith at all points in the game. And since weapon damage is a % multiplier, that gun DPS gap will only increase. Sure, McGinnis has some weaknesses that Wraith doesn't have, but she has strengths that Wraith doesn't. McGinnis will be "just worse" if you try to play her like Wraith, but she can do things that Wraith can't. You have to ask yourself what each character excels at and play to those strengths.
@dylanlasky2389
2 күн бұрын
@@rivetace I'm talking about the gun specifically the characters themselves are very different. The spread plus the wind up time makes her gun not great in my opinion. 2 seconds is too long in a game like this.
@rivetace
2 күн бұрын
@@dylanlasky2389 2 seconds is a long time and makes a big difference, but 30 base weapon DPS also makes a big difference. They simply have different strengths and weaknesses, and I disagree that McGinnis's gun is "just worse".
@dylanlasky2389
2 күн бұрын
@@rivetace yeah base dps is a big bonus but the wind up and spread make it was less useful. Getting ganked is so easy against ginness
@jeremyhicks4517
2 күн бұрын
Not only are you a Tesla Bullet hater, but you're also a Lucky Shot hater. Yet another reason to like Smeefu builds. Based takes. Have you tried Ammo Scav on Wraith? I think it's great. As long as you maintain your stacks, it makes your cards hit harder, spirit damage on your 3 does more damage, and makes you move faster. What do you think about Ricochet and Silencer as a combo for late game? Pop Silencer and be able to guarantee landing your ult on multiple people? Great video!
@smeefu
2 күн бұрын
i think ammo scav or mystic burst of both great for lane instead of infuser. ricochet silencer is way too much money for the use she would get out of it, gonna lose a looooooot of damage buying those items. great concept but the items just arent good enough
@skyscrapersheaf5300
2 күн бұрын
You are definitely severely undervaluing Monster Rounds, it's by far the best farming item in the game, it's definitely much more important than Basic Mag. Especially since the fastest way to clear jungle is to punch things, not just shoot them. Also, I felt you were being disingenuous towards Lucky Shot. You performed your test in the perfect conditions in which 1) you could easily get a headshot on the first bullet, 2) the slow didn't matter, when in a real game it makes it easier for you to hit headshots and hence also increases your damage, 3) ignored that Lucky Shot damage can't crit. I just tested it by just shooting 50 bullets with Lucky Shot and then landing a single headshot and shooting 49 bullets with Crippling, and the damage was basically exactly the same (although Crippling pulls out ahead against targets with resists). So the difference is "More damage if you can consistently headshot and more lifesteal" vs "a movement slow and more ammo", and I personally prefer the second one. And even better, Crippling Headshot and Lucky Shot are not only multiplicative, they are also multiplicative with each other!!! So each of them makes the other even better. And then you said that Inhibitor is better than Lucky Shot, when the two items do completely different things. In reality, you have Crippling, which is probably the best theorethical DPS increase; Inhibitor, which is the best defensive option; and Lucky Shot, which offers lower DPS than Crippling, but unconditionally, and has Inhibitor's slow, so kinda interpolates between the two.
@odium5288
Күн бұрын
Not sure if it’s my playstyle but I can’t se eme getting much value out of melee items. Agree on the monster rounds, I buy basic mag then monster rounds to help me farm easier
@DreadDoom
2 күн бұрын
Hey man, I'm the guy from your previous video that commented on some of your item choices and skill tree (if you remember me :P) and I'd like to make a follow up! After leaving that comment I played 20+ games with some of the items you recommended in that video instead of my usual core items as well as maxing ultimate first after the first two levels in Card Trick and this is a summary of my thoughts. This might be a bit long again, sorry. First items: 1) I used to recommend Improved Burst in my guide but the relatively recent nerf to Wraith's card (longer cooldown between charges, 0.75 is a long time) I no longer think it's worth spending 3k for extra damage and spirit power on her cards because you simply do not have enough time to get 5 cards in her ult anymore (unless you buy "Rapid Recharge", which is definitely NOT worth it!). Conclusion: Mystic Burst still good in lane but Improved Burst not worth the 3k souls. 2) Thanks for pointing out the Tesla Bullets bug to me on my previous comment, I actually had not noticed that. That bug combined with less spirit power in the build (see later points) means Tesla Bullets is no longer worth it, spending the 3k on other items is definitely better. 3) Intensifying Magazine and Escalating Resilience were already on my situational list but clearing up the 3k souls from Tesla and 3k from Improved Burst allowed me to fit these into the build for "free" so to speak. Intensifying Magazine is great at pushing objectives and farming camps but I still feel like the power spike during ganks is not enough for me. Personally I ended up going Pristine Emblem THEN intensifying Magazine, the extra Gun Damage and Spirit Power from emblem really helps early ganks and it's not a huge loss of DPS to jungle gamps. I also tried Burst Fire first which is HUGE PvP damage with Pristine Emblem but felt like I ran out of ammo too fast to benefit from Intensifying Magazine. Conclusion: I prefer Pristine into Intensifying, leaving Resilience to a flex slot. 4) I used to have reload items on optional but with intensifying magazine it's pretty much mandatory to get a reload item. It felt best to only buy Quicksilver and skipping Active Reload, mostly because of slot count. 5) We had very different 6.2k item choices, you recommended Vampiric Burst and Crippling Headshot and I preferred Spiritual Overflow and Shadow Weave. With the nerf to Wraith's card I no longer buy Spiritual Overload but I still think Shadow Weave is way too good to be passed up as your first 6.2k item. As for Vamp and Crippling Headshot I still think they are mediocre items on Wraith, Vamp felt pointless a lot of the time (I don't brawl so I rarely get low on HP) and Crippling Headshot was only really good when the enemy had a bunch of resistances already (3rd/4th flex slot). Conclusion: I still go Shadow Weave first and then use the 6.2k from Spiritual Overflow to buy 3k items instead. Crippling Headshot 3rd/4th flex slot. 6) I still think Combat Barrier is incredibly powerful on Wraith, it's so cheap and gives so much survivability against any gun heroes and jungle camps early that I can't fathom skipping it. It also comboes really well with your teleport since it restores your gun barrier. I sell it late for Bullet Armor. I think the 625 soul "loss" is worth it for the early power spike since even a single kill makes up for it. I think that's most of the item things I commented on. As for the skill build I tried maxing ult early and I think my previous comment was pretty spot-on, the 3rd point in ult felt pointless when split-pushing and good when team fighting. I think personally I will still go my 1-1-(2 or 3)-3-(3 or 2)-4-4-4-2-3-1 build most of the time since my playstyle is more assassin / split push focused. Now for some comments on this video! 1) I like that you mentioned Surge of Power but I prefer putting it on my 3 actually, however if you are not buying Improved Cooldown putting it on your 1 is better so you have more uptime on the movement speed. 2) Suppressor: I only get it if I'm regularly 1v1:ing Seven or Infernus because slowing them down with Mystic Slow later is valuable in 1v1s. However this happens rarely in my opinion since if Infernus or Seven is the enemy team's hard carry I will focus on assassinating them with curse+lift instead of brawling them. 3) In this video you sold Extra Charge before Infuser (or Mystic Burst in your updated build), but I think selling Mystic Burst before Extra Charge is better, Extra Charge is 50% more charges on your card after all. This might have just been a demonstration thing and I'm reading into it too much though :P 4) I think you are a bit harsh on Lucky Shot. It's an item that suffers a lot from being JUST a damage item (plus small slow) which usually is not great, but I've definitely had games where I frankly just needed more damage, especially if we are going for a last-effort push and I just need to kill objectives ASAP. It's rare that I buy it because it has bad stats but I think dismissing it outright without mentioning where it is useful is too harsh. Thanks for the videos by the way! Really enjoy the content. I don't have a specific hero request but if you personally feel like you have an interesting playstyle or build for some hero I think sharing that perspective is both informative and enjoyable. Cheers!
@DeputyFish
2 күн бұрын
this was a very poor test. just gonna be honest smeefu bonus dmg is for one. DOUBLE DMG. well 1.9x dmg. its just slightly under crit dmg that means. are you hitting headshots 100% of the time? so lets say you have 200% weapon dmg well you basically get 380% weapon dmg on a 35% chance.
@nokyap4638
2 күн бұрын
no its not a poor test even if you just hit 1/10 headshots crippling is still better than LS dps wise but also because your teammates deal more damage to the specific target
@DeputyFish
2 күн бұрын
@@nokyap4638 thats not true DPS wise WITH OTHER ITEMS. it comes ahead compared to crippling. i agree completely that crippling is overall better for teamplay but thats just outright a lie. unless you have 0 other ways to remove resistance
@lima_gustaf
2 күн бұрын
Pls make a paradox guide, all of the builds that you made are amazing
@etphonedome6595
2 күн бұрын
i disagree about lucky shot somethings i think you missed in your testing is that you are not only going to hit head shots in a real game, the overall damage was still higher than with crippling headshot even though the dps was a tad lower, +30% ammo is actually very useful more so than you give it credit, because of the crazy fire rate she has the slow is almost always up the extra ammo from the item helps with this, and prob the biggest thing is that it helps a ton and procs normally on objs like the walkers, patrons, and guardians allowing you to take them far faster i do not believe crippling headshot for example can proc on most objs except maybe the guardians but im not sure on this. for these reasons i believe its one of her best items and a must pick most games. still great video! id love to know your thoughts on my points
@paulmarkbevey
2 күн бұрын
I think the build is decent but I think missing fleetfoot is a mistake it makes wraith mobility able to chase or get away.
@crris
2 күн бұрын
Please do a kelvin build!
@NushiSama
Күн бұрын
I actually found Surge of power on your 3 (full auto) is insane tbh rather than on card. Also endgame I found that going Ricochet + Toxic Bullets + Inhibitor + Silencer makes you literally 1v6 especially if you get Titanic and Intensifying Mag. Then Quicksilver on card. It's cracked imo
@wildwolf3938
2 күн бұрын
Basically the laning phase is going (teleport behind enemy, burst with melee and card, shred with gun.
@tubeorip
2 күн бұрын
Thank you. Will adjust my gameplay accordingly. Great insight, thank you :)
@artemonikon
2 күн бұрын
Based. As a dota 2 player i cant get, why they're taking lucky shot.... I mean, crits are good with big single hit damage .
@slazhes3567
2 күн бұрын
So keen to try out this build and finally try and get a Dub with my subpar Wraith Gameplay 😂
@Stoat_Lord
Күн бұрын
I forget but I think melee damage effects how fast Card Trick charges too.
@mcshutup5598
2 күн бұрын
one thing you are missing from the discussion @smeefu , is that luck shot damage cannot headshot, so it provides double the relative increase for body shot damage, essentially i softens the impact of bad aiming
@pallidknight8600
2 күн бұрын
Great vid, loving your breakdowns. Learning a lot about classes I like to play as well as ones I don't which is always good intel. Question: what do you have your melee/parry buttons set to? I'm trying to figure out my keybinds lol
@smeefu
2 күн бұрын
f as parry, v as melee
@niersu
2 күн бұрын
I put melee on my mouse side button if you have that
@deadlockgameplays
2 күн бұрын
I'm a wraith main trying to get better, this video is dope! Keep up the content fam
@Arunnn241
2 күн бұрын
Melee lifesteal is good, except I'm not going melee lifesteal against a bebop, abrams, mo, yamato, mcginnis, etc. You'll lose those lanes hard if you go in melee range of minions.
@ImperialGoldfish
2 күн бұрын
I'd argue kinetic dash is better than swift striker in most situations. KD gives almost as much effective fire rate as SS, but with the huge benefit of making dash-jump cost 1 stamina most of the time that you use it, which is great for your farm speed, in addition to engage and disengage. Plus, KD gives you 100 HP, and doesn't take away 5% bullet resist.
@smeefu
2 күн бұрын
i disagree, KD is worse overall as it only buffs the dps of 1 mag, when you get through mags this quickly swift striker does a lot more work
@drewpeacock9087
2 күн бұрын
A decently sized streamer (and his friend+chat) mocked me and got mad because I said that Lucky Shot on Haze was trash a couple weeks back, your videos have been very validating haha
@odonah
2 күн бұрын
yeah at LEAST lucky shot rolls a second stack of fixation when it procs so it's certainly better on haze than anyone else but like... come on. it's 6200. be serious lol. it doesn't even work with her ult.
@smeefu
2 күн бұрын
not gonna lie, lucky shot is only good on haze. its still not great as it doesnt interact with her ult, but the way it interacts with haze does make her the only hero that CAN justify buying it. i never do myself tho
@SatchmoBronson
2 күн бұрын
I saw this interaction. It was pretty cringe, actually, and I think it's really funny that smeefu just said he kind of disagrees with you too.
@drewpeacock9087
2 күн бұрын
@@SatchmoBronson I agree it was pretty cringe for people to get that hostile over somebody saying an item was overrated. And it sounds like Smeefu's position is closer to that than it being a must buy every game which was how it was being considered. :)
@drewpeacock9087
2 күн бұрын
@@odonah yeah it definitely can give a lot of left click power lategame, I just thought people rushing it every game in the ricochet build WAY worse than people were considering it to be
@Ganobrator
3 күн бұрын
I think Siphon Bullets is also a really good take if your team is lacking antiheal lategame
@smeefu
2 күн бұрын
for antiheal would just go toxic bullets, way better for that job and way cheaper
@Ganobrator
2 күн бұрын
True but siphon also gives you more survivability. I look at toxic bullets only if literally nobody on my team buys it
@xPureAndTheTaintedx
2 күн бұрын
siphon bullets dont have anti heal.
@xPureAndTheTaintedx
2 күн бұрын
@@thelaw3536 Siphon bullets has an internal cooldown and having super high fire rate doesnt proc is any faster. A wraith with no souls or items 1 second into the game can shoot 10 bullets in between each proc of siphon bullets. Its a great item, but it doesnt magically proc faster late game.
@thelaw3536
2 күн бұрын
@@xPureAndTheTaintedx that's 450 hp plus it stacks that can be permanent. That is about how much I said it would deal/give. Even though it does have that cool down. I tested it on the dummy. Test it yourself to double check I was checking how much does you get during ukt duration.
@sypeh
3 күн бұрын
sick video brother! 🔥🔥💯
@dadogwitbutta
2 күн бұрын
think would be good to add silence hex in this build since its cheap + ur ult will be useless in early midgame vs pocket, infernus, vindicta and other chars that can just use out of jail card edit: u should have mentioned siphon bullets. its very good vs tanky chars or people that buy resist items (which will be pretty much every game if ur playing vs half decent players) spiritual overflow also a very good DPS item depending on the build route
@smeefu
2 күн бұрын
im just not a fan of siphon bullets over other choices since its nerf, hex is good universally didnt really feel the need to talk about it here as you are going for silence glyph anyway
@dadogwitbutta
2 күн бұрын
@@smeefu Gotchu
@risks007
2 күн бұрын
The thing I don't like about the Melee Lifesteal is that if(more likely 'when') I am loosing lane and cant really get creeps it's quite dead item.
@smeefu
2 күн бұрын
yeah in which case i have extra regen in the build too :)
@asuratheinsane7127
15 сағат бұрын
I wanted to ask wether it wouldn't be better to put surge on your 3rd for a few reasons: 1. Your 3's duration scales with spirit power meaning there's alot more uptime on it. 2. I think your overall dps would increase more if you use your 3 as burst window and profit from the huge amount of additional spirit damage on your bullets. 3. If youre really far in the game ther's 100% uptime achievable on your 3(not counting vases) with surge+ duration+ cd on your 3 and boundless spirit but idk if thats to meme-ish
@rz6711
2 күн бұрын
Love these in depth videos
@thelaw3536
2 күн бұрын
looks like I misread the melee item. That 90 flat is insane. But dmage wise extra charge is flat out better since it gives u a card on buy (80 extra dmg without loss of the meter already gained) and it gives gun damage and and 6 spirt (cards scale 1.5).
@smeefu
2 күн бұрын
i mean i get both of them
@franpschorr3646
2 күн бұрын
Another great guide.
@sabirhussain6655
2 күн бұрын
such an in depth guide. thanks
@salat_32
2 күн бұрын
Yaaaaay new build video
@berni5641
2 күн бұрын
ive been spamming full AP wraith and while its probably not as good i enjoy seeing my ult+card do 1500 damage a lot more than infinitely sustaining with attack speed
@ozoz189
2 күн бұрын
Hybrid wraith is actually great
@thelaw3536
2 күн бұрын
You reloaded the gun with active reload which gives more fire rate. DPS would be calculated as more since you are doing more damage in a shorter period of time. From looking at the raw average damage per bullet lucky shot does 73 while crippling does 82 or about 11% more damage per bullet. But that's a misuderstanding since 30% movement slow while keeping damage is absurd. With a mystic slow or slowing round, or inhibitor on top you basically wouldn't be moving anywhere even as infurnus. This makes you way easier to track and means, practically speaking, you would land more shots with lucky shot, which means you and Your Team will do more damage in most cases where the enemy isn't stuned. For starting engagements and peeling in a fight lucky shot is far better than crippling headshot since you maintain close parity and enable your team to get and maintain shots on a target. People massively underate movement speed in every moba.
@FuzioNda1337
2 күн бұрын
luckyshot overall is really bad for what damage it yields on its procc most builds get firerate ammo or whatever and get least amount of dmg until later from 6200 items. since you cannot attain fire rate from green items most of your weapon dmg comes from green 6200 items. that means rushing luckyshot grants not high amount of dmg since its like a crit procc in dota and you just hit fast but not hard thus lucky shot is not as valuable i would love them to make a uppgradable luckyshot that works like crystalis in dota to become luckyshot later. Right now they have some work to do on items. i played around with it with most heroes. the stats it grants cost and the effect its just a bad item that i buy as last item when almost fully luxory slotted. Remember that health = damage the more tankier or elusive you are in rights the more damage team8s can do even if you get jumped etc. ialso it big bot item i see alot of wreiths buy wraiths damage is horrendously low without stakcing up the passive. her base attack damage is abyssmal. that means that without stacking up a large chunk of stacks and with passive that lucky crit is gonna yield you less damage than any other weapon/firerate item in the game. and those also give you sustain/active/ and in general a dmg output better always even without any stacks on your target. Its just a really bad items and yeah it does not work on your ult either. now this aint a haze video but the item is just so bad i advise you to stop buying it. its bad Now the testing he did maybe not been the right way to do it but to say the least the item for it costs grants you little to nothing a 6200 green item grants you more dps in general.
@obeattzy
2 күн бұрын
I think the testing between lucky shot might be off a little but I haven’t touched wraith after making a build that 1v x I think swapping some of them purples for some cd perks for your 4 will be more valuable in end game going full tanks is okay but don’t forget other hero’s will be debuffing ect look at cd for your 4th you claim assassin think like one
@victortimore341
2 күн бұрын
I'm very much not convinced by this demo. By going Mystic Burst, Hollow Point Ward, Extra Spirit and T1 Card Trick, Card Trick is doing 147 damage and full mag is doing 383 damage without any headshot and 754 with full headshot. In your demo, Card Trick is dealing 136 damage with the need to buy an extra 500 souls item + use infuser + melee before card trick. I'm sorry but it just sucks why would i want to do this? It cost more souls and is harder to pull off while doing less damage. Most of your item choices doesn't make sense to me on Wraith. Barriers are fantastic on Wraith because she is a ganker. The all point of this hero is to go invisible with veil walker or shadow weave, pick a high value target, Telekinesis, Full Auto, Empty Mag, Card Trick (which reloads gun with QuickSilver Reload), Empty Mag, Project Mind away, farm a bit while you wait for cooldowns, rinse and repeat. She is probably the easiest ganker to play in the game and very enjoyable. She is also incredible at killing objectives thanks to full auto. You decided to play her as a sort of carry but i don't think it's the best way to build her.
@smeefu
2 күн бұрын
well thats one single card with mystic burst so its a horrible comparison. would have to compare all 3 cards. that being said, i swapped infuser for mystic burst in the build already as its more consistent and better for poking.
@ianelst7442
2 күн бұрын
You are wrong about lucky shot, normal increase in you weapon damage just count up but lucky shot is bonus dmg. So when you have already 100% extra bonus dmg wich you easily get with intesensifyng mag and a tier 1 item you have a total of 200% weapon dmg most of the times its even more with the rest of your items. that percentage is always calculated over you BASE weapon dmg. lucky shot is a bonus over you ACTUAL weapon dmg so in this example it increase you weapon dmg with 60% not 30%. most of the times its even more.
@smeefu
2 күн бұрын
its a 30% increase of all damage when it procs, it is multiplicative, but does not proc on extra headshot damage. i know how the item works, demonstrating in the video with only headshots did make the item look worse than it is i admit, though the item is still bad.
@Mantook11
Күн бұрын
@@smeefu nop. its not bad
@disbled
11 сағат бұрын
It is thats why youre pisslow elo still @@Mantook11
@Mantook11
4 сағат бұрын
@@disbled mentioning elo in a game that is still in development. tell me you dont touch grass without telling me
@disbled
4 сағат бұрын
@@Mantook11 ill try to get worse at videogames my bad
@JoshFoote-i6i
2 күн бұрын
Quick silver reload on card is way better for instant reload and higher damage burst. Also mystic burst then into the upgrade ruins ppl
@smeefu
2 күн бұрын
i have it on card :)
@alecrizer4222
2 күн бұрын
Would love to see Lady Geist. Love her design and the concept of her kit, I just struggle to connect the pieces.
@Luminarise
2 күн бұрын
Wraith guide lets goooooooooo
@jacksmackszac8483
2 күн бұрын
Haven’t tried wraith yet, but I’m curious why you don’t pick up ricochet on her
@smeefu
2 күн бұрын
so its because the hero gets very very little value from the item. look at haze for instance, it makes her ult able to hit and build fixation stacks on 6 people at once. for infernus, he can burn multiple targets at once. wraith has no way to extract more value from the item UNLESS you are going for a full build around her 3 "full auto" and the spirit damage it gives your bullets, but this build certainly doesnt build around that so its just a bad item here.
@afscrew123
2 күн бұрын
shes more of an assassin type than a close-mid range brawler dps like infernus. shes similar to haze, but haze is the exception here as ricochet revolves around her ultimate. wraith doesnt have cool interactions like that really makes ricochet insane, its just decent/ok. you want your 6.200$ flex slots to help you DELETE people in your ultimates, ricochet is more of a teamfight/consistent dmg type build. Shes more of a single target deleter
@paulkelemen4199
Күн бұрын
I am curious why there's no stamina in the build. Is it just not necessary with Wraith's E? I feel I get caught pretty often in chases since the opponents seem to have a million dashes. Maybe that's just me overextending though. Also, what are your keybinds? I can see that you made C one of your item binds, but I'm not sure what your melee and parry are.
@DarkDaVinci_Official
2 күн бұрын
Loved the video, do an Abrams build plz
@agedgouda8809
2 күн бұрын
I noticed rapid recharge is included as an item that can be bought anytime in the build shown at the end. Does the cooldown reduction of charge based abilities at all affect the charge rate of cards?
@smeefu
2 күн бұрын
yeah it does effect it i believe. its not an item that i ever buy, like ever. i usually sell extra charge tbf. but its there if people want to use it
@jacksonperez5615
2 күн бұрын
The wraith spirit build is my favorite right now, it isn’t fair. 18 seconds on the 3 is very dumb
@smeefu
2 күн бұрын
spirit build is great, i will experiment with it more.
@afscrew123
2 күн бұрын
What is the build called?
@jacksonperez5615
2 күн бұрын
@@afscrew123 I don’t know I made it
@jacksonperez5615
2 күн бұрын
@@smeefu you can spam cards that hit for 750 every .5 seconds
@TheGingerjames123
2 күн бұрын
You arent considering the distribution of the crits. Its not like every 3rd bullet is crit, sometimes you can high roll and hit 10 in a row and in those moments its ridiculous
@TheToiletroll
2 күн бұрын
Grey Talon build please! Trying really hard to make it work but end up jumping between burst-heavy assassin close range, versus fighting far ranged.
@jjusa00
2 күн бұрын
very solid build, why no tesla bullets is that bad too? will prolly tweak stuff here and there but overall good build and great explanation
@smeefu
2 күн бұрын
tesla bullets is pretty bad yeah, but right now its extra bad as it is bugged. internal cooldown is doubled giving you half the procs as usual.
@jjusa00
2 күн бұрын
@@smeefu oh wow I was building Tesla bullets into lucky shot 💀💀 Ty
@smeefu
2 күн бұрын
@@jjusa00 hehehe, try without them and you will feel stronger
@Epindary
2 күн бұрын
@@smeefu i think its fixed btw, havent done a aandbox yet tho, was seeing alot of procs ingame after metro put it back in his build
@AGOGOATHOTH
2 күн бұрын
Many others have pointed it out but the testing methodology here is really not great, this isn't a realistic comparison and makes lucky shot appear worse than it actually is
@smeefu
2 күн бұрын
true, but its still bad.
@AGOGOATHOTH
Күн бұрын
@@smeefu I agree that it's not an item worth rushing but the point is better served by providing a fair testing ground and explaining how the item actually works (i.e bonus damage being far better as a late-game build due to the way the calculations work)
@AGOGOATHOTH
Күн бұрын
even if you're correct that people shouldn't be viewing it as THE go-to item it's just good practice to have all the data laid out and tested properly, reply not meant as hate ofc as like I said I agree with the overall sentiment
@korrupt_
2 күн бұрын
i skipped every item and bought magic carpet instead 🙏
@smeefu
2 күн бұрын
based
@Jovaaks
Күн бұрын
Are you not a fan of titanic mag? Builds out of basic mag and seems like a good item to me
@drakeyates8685
3 күн бұрын
To be fair, anybody who doesn't build the melee items early don't realize how broken it is. Most players aren't parrying right, so melee lifesteal plus mystic punch is an insane amount of burst in lane phase
@smeefu
3 күн бұрын
even players that do parry, its a complete gamble to guess if someone is gonna light attack during a fight, much harder to see a light attack coming, and if they randomly parry and put their parry on cooldown, you just wail on them with heavys
@drakeyates8685
3 күн бұрын
@@smeefu exactly. unless you get the parry, missing puts you on a 3 second cooldown where 3 heavies can come at totalling 450 dmg. So therefore I build melee items every game on every character. Teammates think I'm trolling in high mmr with my early melee haze gaming
@koleking2519
2 күн бұрын
@@drakeyates8685 but its so insane on haze, sleep dart into heavy burst chefs kiss
@thelaw3536
2 күн бұрын
@@drakeyates8685 Haze is diff and that's cool. Most engagements aren't going to be that close and someone like wraith spike with her cards so you want to mostly be shooting than engaging for real with cards. You can't get everything.
@thelaw3536
2 күн бұрын
@@koleking2519 Your dps is just higher when youre building for cards and gun with your ult.
@victorb7562
2 күн бұрын
I tried the melee stuff but I struggle with it, especially on wraith. I need to get better at it but on the other hand I don't really have big problem in lane by buying other items and if I'm losing lane I'm buying sustain items anyway. Apart from that I build her quite similar except for some personal preferences (no double reload, instead intensifying mag and escelaring resil sooner) and situational things depending on the enemies.
@IYaphtes
Күн бұрын
It's very good guide. Thank you. Can you make the same for the Vindicta?
@lollimetroextreme9450
2 күн бұрын
What do you think of Head Hunter? With just that 1 item I find myself doing a ton more damage
@abstractreality5063
2 күн бұрын
Thx for the guide, what hero do you think you will do next ?
@authenticchinese9773
3 күн бұрын
can we get another with card variant ?
@smeefu
2 күн бұрын
will look into it!
@authenticchinese9773
2 күн бұрын
@@smeefu thanks man.
@M0tts783
2 күн бұрын
How do you feel about extra stamina/superior stamina, I almost always build it for the mobility in fights especially late game it feels fantastic, but I sorta can understand why not build it if you have maxed out teleport, just wanted your input on maybe extra stamina/superior stamina instead of bullet armor (b/c escalating resilience)
@BarbarisII
3 сағат бұрын
Wouldn't 90% extra damage 35% of the time work out to roughly 30% more base dps?
@theepicgameboss
2 күн бұрын
100% agree lucky shot is overrated. Although by using only headshots to prove your point with crippling headshots skews realistic results. Most the time it owuld be 30-50% hs accuracy which decreases the dmg down to something pretty similar to LS. Also I urge you to try spiritual overflow with wraith, with her fire rate and innate hybrid dmg it scales super well on her. Also W vampiric burst love
@user-yr9if7ny8p
2 күн бұрын
Build looks interesting but it could do with some more options for increased damage and end game options overall. If the game goes really alte, what do you prefer to buy?
@smeefu
2 күн бұрын
it has plenty, vampiric burst, crippling headshot, won’t need more damage than that
@murraybritton6729
3 күн бұрын
What about putting surge of power on your 3 and increasing the extra spirit damage per bullet?
@smeefu
3 күн бұрын
definitely valid! depends how you like to play really, having it on cards is nice to just pop whenever you want the movespeed without having to waste your full auto. but having it on full auto would increase your dps more later in the game as throwing cards with a gun build actually lowers your dps, so do with this as you will!
@thelaw3536
2 күн бұрын
You would put I on bullet in this build, but if you are doing sports than it has to go on cards. (Scaling on that is 1.5). So if you surge it you get 45.5 damage increase). Same as getting overflowing power on a normal hero. (Bullet sport scaling is .1 so it's trash)
@skinkintreeshade3673
2 күн бұрын
What would you think about Escalating Resilience on Infernus? It feel like it would be good in your build for him I just can't think of what item to drop for it in most situations. Too many of his weapon items are actually just spirit items in disguise so idk
@smeefu
2 күн бұрын
yeah its just very hard to drop an item, not sure what i would drop with him.
@Uzabi
2 күн бұрын
what do you think about tesla bullets? its more like a pushing item, not pvp probably?
@asteriskthegamingstar1891
2 күн бұрын
why swift striker over kinetic dash? it has like a 2 second downtime, no bullet resist downside, similar ammo specs, and extra stamina - would you say swift striker is better or is it preference
@smeefu
2 күн бұрын
kinetic dash has a lot more downtime than you think on a hero that empties their mag relatively fast... the buff from kinetic only lasts 1 mag, making it significantly worse for farming and worse a lot of the time in fights.
@munithekid3496
2 күн бұрын
Mind doing a video sharing your keybinds? or at least what key do you use for melee?
@artemTHISNAMEALREADYTAKEN
3 күн бұрын
have you tried to spec more in 3rd skill in late game? I usually go for phys in early and mid game(before 40k) and then buy boundless spirit, mythic vulnerability and spiritual overflow Also tesla bullets work really good for farm and for damage later
@smeefu
2 күн бұрын
tesla bullets is pretty bad in my opinion and intensifying mag will literally increase farm speed MORE than them if you use reload items like QSR to keep the buff up, but right tesla is extra bad as it is bugged. internal cooldown is doubled giving you half the procs as usual. will mess around with full auto build more, but i dont feel like its better than gun. maybe im missing something, but this video has what i believe to be the better sort of build path :)
@artemTHISNAMEALREADYTAKEN
2 күн бұрын
@@smeefu spirit build is not better than gun nor gun build is better in my opinion Wraith should generally build either to deal damage with both damage types or focus on damage type that will do most in your particular situation Also have you tried shadow weave? And are tesla bullets really broken?
@connienashasa2745
2 күн бұрын
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@CillersFan
2 күн бұрын
Kelvin guide 🙏 Is it best to build for my nades now that beam is nerfed? Should I focus on support items? (Rescue Beam is too fun) Is gun build good?
@chowda2072
2 күн бұрын
Nice guide. Thanks. How do you track the dps e.g. 15:41 in sandbox?
@GToast01
2 күн бұрын
open console (press F7), then type: hud_damagemeter 1
@ImperialGoldfish
2 күн бұрын
Anybody know how Smeefu got his DPS to display next to the cursor? I assume it's a console command, but I can't figure it out...
@smeefu
2 күн бұрын
"hud_damagemeter true"
@ImperialGoldfish
2 күн бұрын
@@smeefu oh, you absolute beauty! love the builds, my dude
@maxsturges4630
3 күн бұрын
First, yes!
@smeefu
3 күн бұрын
legendary
@bakedbread4319
2 күн бұрын
How do you get the DPS number available on the sandbox dummy? I can't find the setting to turn it on in mine.
@smeefu
2 күн бұрын
its a command, press f7 and type "hud_damagemeter true"
@Jakcoon
3 күн бұрын
Wahoo!
@Gobolinn
22 сағат бұрын
any tip for fighting against vicous?
@allstarreject
Сағат бұрын
How does it show DPS on your crosshair?
@richardbrady1849
3 күн бұрын
Do you still encourage lucky shot on Haze?
@smeefu
2 күн бұрын
yes if you are going for brawler build, the way lucky shot interacts with fixation makes her pretty much the only hero that benefits a lot from it.
@richardbrady1849
2 күн бұрын
@@smeefu Thanks! Dude your vids are so high quality, if you keep this up there's no way your channel doesn't explode as this game goes mainstream.
@yukizie4533
10 сағат бұрын
melee lifesteal does not work as you it has a cooldown 7.5 secs
@smeefu
9 сағат бұрын
@@yukizie4533 yeah i know obviously you can’t spam it, the idea is to just light attack once when you’re fighting someone and get massive value from the 2 melee items
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