This gets put in my recommended RIGHT after I buy a block plane for the first time.
3 жыл бұрын
It's called "algorithms".
@matthewhardesty6872
13 күн бұрын
lol I was searching for block planes when it popped up!
@PeteLewisWoodwork
3 жыл бұрын
Hi Rex, I'm a UK Carpenter and you're exactly right - I have exclusively used the same basic, standard Stanley block plane for 40+ years because it fits in my pouch, is easy in the hand, always convenient, easy to adjust and I have no need to carry a collection of heavier Bench Planes to jobsites (where such tools frequently go missing). I've used the block plane for both ultra-fine trimming and hogging off loads of stock over the years because I found a sweet spot in the setup that allows for both. It is only now, as I am returning to home workshop projects nearing the end of my career, that I am buying Bench Planes (again). I can honestly say that for over 40 years, the humble block plane has served me well - I love using it! NOTE: It still has the original iron, which has shrunk due to sharpening but it doesn't need replacement yet. Should you buy and use one? Yes, of course you should...!
@wavydavy9816
Күн бұрын
I am a decorator who occasionally has to masquerade as a carpenter in order to be able to paint the things that need painting (windows and such). The amount of times I need a plane are few and far between and I've never bothered to buy one because they seem huge and unwieldy. But your praise of the block plane has encouraged me to seek one out immediately so that it's there when I next need it 🤔👍🤗
@bradmiller9993
4 жыл бұрын
Spot on. As a retired carpenter/remodeler I kept a block plane in my tool belt. Now, as a woodworker/hobbiest in my shop, I can appreciate having a much bigger tool available when needed.
@ellflynn
9 ай бұрын
Took the words right out of my mouth!
@daryletoney8118
4 жыл бұрын
Antique furniture of 40 years, block plane is an essential piece of kit, sharpness is key ie: mirror finish (finished on a slate stone) and so sharp you can wet your forearm and shave hairs off, this done it will slip through end grain like butter, try leveling a protruding tennon joint with a smoothing plane without biting into the surrounding area. Personally my block plane is an extension of my arm. Daryle UK.
@gnusndn6089
5 жыл бұрын
I'm a retired Carpenter from the 70s. I used my Stanley 60 and a half block plane for scribing wood to the wall many many times. I even used it a lot to fit plastic laminate tightly. I still like to use it in my shop. Keeping it sharp is the key.
@samchamberlain7525
4 жыл бұрын
My old man told me when he worked at an oil rig on land, alot off windows they fitted were aluminium framed, and my dad witnessed a guy using a block plane to shape the aluminium. Crazy
@mikestewart505
Жыл бұрын
I used a Stanley 12-960. It probably isn't so useful for woodworking, but when you're used to having one, it's just hard to imagine not having one. I now have a Lie-Nielsen rabbet block plane, too. I thought it would be a better block plane + the rabbet function for things like tenon cheeks. So-o-o-o, for tenon cheeks, a router planes is hard to beat. For the odd jobs a block plane does, I still grab my cheap old Stanley. Works fine on aluminum, by the way.
@bobleclair5665
4 жыл бұрын
The little guy fits well in your pouch and is quieter than the electric tools,I wouldn’t be without one
@Victoria-jo3wr
5 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you brought this up! When I was first gathering my tools, I bought a block plane at an antique store because everybody said it was essential. But after restoring it I kept wondering, "What on Earth do I use this for?" I ended up using my No. 5 for everything, and am ashamed to say the block plane ended up being a paint scraper (it's low quality, don't worry. I didn't ruin an heirloom). I'm really looking forward to the review! Good quality vintage tools are very hard to find in my area, and it's often prohibitively expensive to ship here. I have been keeping my eye out for an inexpensive way to get a good smoothing plane.
@RexKrueger
5 жыл бұрын
I think by the end of the summer, I will have found one!
@kdouglaslee
5 жыл бұрын
I really thought that I would be completely disagreeing with you, but I think you hit the nail on the head. I didn’t get A low angle block plane for several years after I got serious about woodworking, and although I use mine all the time, it’s exactly for the purpose that you mentioned- trimming or rounding over edges, usually with a piece I’m holding in my left hand while I use the block plane in my right. Although I do disagree with you about the number five jack plane, the low angle Jack plane completely replaces it and does a much better job in my mind. But yeah, a No. 4 smoother covers the vast majority of my face planing needs.
@RexKrueger
5 жыл бұрын
At some point, I'm going to have to get a low-angle jack and put it up against my standard jack. I know they work, but I'm skeptical that they "replace" the standard jack. Only one way to find out...
@matthewmarello1347
2 жыл бұрын
I just bought my first block plane. I'm primarily power tool so it's really only for breaking edges or some end grain so I believe it's a helpful tool.
@theeddorian
4 жыл бұрын
What they're handy for is making small boxes. For cleaning edges of thin boards (1/2 inch or less). It can also be useful in finish carpentry for doing things like rounding over an edge of a trim strip - I've got over 60 feet of hand rounded-over trim in the living room and all done with a block plane. Fitting drawers as you pointed out is also a job where a block plane is handy. The individual strips were up to ten feet long. I stumbled into woodworking because my wife had a bunch of jobs around the house that involved finish carpentry jobs and I found the block plane much easier to use when you're sitting on the trim on a saw horse rounding over an edge and blending it into previously worked edges.
@FearsomeWarrior
5 жыл бұрын
I understand your video and agree. Personally use my block plane for the control I have over it. By virtue of being less clunky I feel more connection between plane and wood with a block plane. It also helps that the dark gray patina on my Stanley 62 knuckle block plane is amazing looking. I bought a Veritas fancy skinny one this February and use it on every project. The machining for the adjustable throat and blade adjustments is a threat.
@CandidZulu
5 ай бұрын
To confuse things further: The German name for Block Planes is Hirnholzhobel, which means end grain plane. But the Swedish name for them is Stödhyvel, where Stöt means to push, and is the equivalent word to "shooting" in this instance. If we prod a little further we can notice that the Swedish name for a Shooting Board is "Stötlåda", which basically means Shooting Box. So I guess (not an expert) the block plane was at one time considered a tool for end grain work on a shooting board. And as Rex has shown in later videos. The shooting board was originally used for long grain work.
@red58impala
5 жыл бұрын
Awesome stuff Rex. I agree we don't really need a block plane for most jobs. That said I actually pulled out my old Stanley 9 1/2 because I needed to break the aris off the edge of some shelves. I wanted to be able to control the mouth opening and since I didn't have a vice a plane that I could use one-handed. Keep up the good work!
@RexKrueger
5 жыл бұрын
And that's a good use for it!
@bertkutoob
5 жыл бұрын
I wonder how many people these days know what an 'aris' is? Believe me, 'taking the aris off' with a well fettled and sharpened block plane is just about the most satisfying thing you can do with your clothes on... And as for removing paint from window frames? Try doing THAT with a bench plane, hanging on for dear life with one hand, 8 ft up a wonky ladder...! Leave my block plane alone. It has been a great friend in need. Indeed!
@unopine
5 жыл бұрын
Rex, I truly enjoy both your approach and your videos. And you're absolutely correct about planes: for the non-professional woodworker to get a decent quality plane, a significant investment in time or effort is necessary. In my search on Amazon for a quality plane I could actually afford, I came across Taytools (Taylor Toolworks). They sell all kinds of woodworking supplies, on Amazon, and thru their own website, including planes. I took a chance on a #4 smoother, for $79, and am very happy with it. Nothing else I found approached their quality at this price point.
@RexKrueger
5 жыл бұрын
I may have to suck it up and buy one of these. I'm really curious.
@dixie_rekd9601
4 жыл бұрын
i've done fine joinery for nearly 20 years and never really NEEDED a block plane, they're "handy" because they're..... well..... better fit in the hand so theyre good in a tight spot. theyre good on site, when fitting things like stairs or kitchens. but tbh a good sharp regular old bench plane is the only plane you would ever REALLY need. a jointing plane too for prep maybe, but again, for finishing, shaping and sizing, a bench plane is the only plane you would ever need for none specialist work. although ..... obviously , we could get into rabbet planes, hand routers, edge planes, chamfer planes, profiling planes with a dozen different irons, plough planes, ect ect ect. and these are all useful of course, but if i personally could only own a single nonstandard plane it would be an edge to edge bench plane or No10 rebate plane, which is effectively your normal bench plane but the iron reaches both sides allowing you to use it against a stop and cut rebates. although its perfectly usable for regular smoothing.
@TheCaptnHammer
3 жыл бұрын
I just started finer woodworking after doing rough carpentry for a few years. I was just given a 1930’s Stanley Bailey No 4 and a small Stanley block plane from the same era. Both were a family members grandfather’s tools and he built furniture for a living. I can’t wait to get both new irons and put them to work. The block plane iron has been used so much it’s totally out of space and won’t event cut and the no 4 iron is almost used up too. I guess both have seen a lot of projects. I’m sanding and cleaning the no 4 while I watch this. :)
@MrGalpino
2 жыл бұрын
I just bought a Trojan block plane for 13 dollars. The old guy next to me in the shop said it was a good brand. I've tried to sharpen it up and it seems to be working. It's my first plane.
@cpzmelbs
7 ай бұрын
Found the aussie. Howd the Trojan hold up? I want a plane but just cant afford it responsibly.. have you seen the starting price of anything Stanley ? Sheesh 2nd hand is almost worst
@louisvictor3473
4 жыл бұрын
That intro. The classic difference between a _need_ and a "it is still convenient/nice/cool/practical/you might like it better to have" thing, and people's even more classic difficulty to understand they're not the same.
@dreyn7780
4 жыл бұрын
Social people actually spend most of their time ballroom dancing, not playing with tools, trying to Sell to massively thrifty competitive people.
@alanj822
3 жыл бұрын
Or "there's a damn reason noone in woodworking extolls this idea, and that Rex is a youtube celebrity, not a qualified teacher of woodworking.
@whatthefuckeidos9230
3 жыл бұрын
@@alanj822 yeah how dare Rex have a different opinion from others, right
@gareths100
5 жыл бұрын
You need every plane, all planes .... He who dies with the most planes wins 😀
@RexKrueger
5 жыл бұрын
Well kill me now. I win.
@oliverdelica2289
5 жыл бұрын
Rex Krueger no don't. We still have a lot to learn and we still need you
@triune_blades
4 жыл бұрын
Haha
@DataStorm1
4 жыл бұрын
There are plenty of planes on the airports right now.
@dreyn7780
4 жыл бұрын
Says those people of the USA but that doesn’t apply outside the USA. I feel sorry for those people who have to compete all their short lives.
@vincentlavarenne6682
Жыл бұрын
Rex that was another great video! I agree with everything you say , especially with the fact that bockplanes are typically outperformed by a well tuned regular smoothing plane. And I also agree with the fact that y they are good alternatives for those who have to carry a lot of tools to job sites, and for beginners as well. They are so light, versatile, and , for most of them inexpensive that their choice makes sense; I will add that I use block planes in two more occasions: -At the lumberyard, to check the wood quality ( and sometimes the seller 's quality). -For working on greenwood. The simplest model, without a mouth adjustment, is perfect for shaping chair parts out of greenwood, like sticks or spindles , after roughting them out with the drawknive . I find it outperforms other tools like spokeshaves for that. ( Sorry for my English mistakes) .
@johnprivate6625
3 жыл бұрын
A block plane was my first plane. Purchased only because it was the only plane I could afford at $12. Only last week, I finally upgraded to a Stanley Bailey no.5 salvaged from a scrap metal dealer for $10 and refurbished. Thanks Rex for the advice on how to do the refurbishment.
@EvanDunville
5 жыл бұрын
My use for block olanes, When Installing things not in the shop as you touched on. Taking off the sharp edges of board at the jointer or planer or off the table saw so I don't cut myself on them. Sometimes smoothing small areas when the bed legenth and width of a smoother won't fit in. I also like as you said a really small block plane often called an apron plane. They aren't adjustable mouth bit their small size makes them really easy to be on hand.
@trueitbycjtruitt9546
5 жыл бұрын
I just bought you ebook off Amazon, it took me a bit but I finally did and boy wish I had it before getting into starting my lathe hobby started, but I'm glad I bought this ebook for all the great information in it ,thank you for taking the time to make it . -CJ
@RexKrueger
5 жыл бұрын
It's totally my pleasure! If you get a chance to leave a review, that really helps with the Amazon rankings.
@trueitbycjtruitt9546
5 жыл бұрын
@@RexKrueger I most certainly did 😊
@mrgolftennisviolin
3 жыл бұрын
Hey Rex! Thanks for all you do! Your videos have helped me out a lot. I decided to try to build a violin with hand tools, and your videos have been a great resource. Just thought you’d find my situation with block planes interesting - I have one from my grandpa, one from my dad, and another smaller violinmaker’s block plane that was given to me as a gift. I’ve found specific uses for all three! With highly figured maple, I need a steep angle as well as a toothed blade option, and it’s nice to keep all three set up and ready to go. Once I’m done with a couple violins, I want to build some Queen Anne style furniture. Keep up the good work, and thanks again!!
@benm5913
5 жыл бұрын
I'm lucky in that I love in an area with vintage bench planes available at estate sales. Not a lot, and not usually larger than a #5, but, still lucky. I have acquired 13 so far at very affordable prices. Just wanted to say thanks since you were the one to inspire me to even look.
@RexKrueger
5 жыл бұрын
That's where most of mine came from.
@jeffkushen5586
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for another great video Rex! I don't to a LOT of wood working, but after you did a video on planes, I found a very small one that is great for taking the edges off my knife handles! Shout out to a fellow Clevelander!
@RexKrueger
5 жыл бұрын
Shout-out to a fellow metal-worker! (I also smith).
@mildyproductive9726
5 жыл бұрын
I have that GreatNeck #4. It works fine to me. The lever had to go over to the right to get the blade square, so I adjusted the frog a bit. The only problem I had was the handle getting loose. The handle is free to twist a bit and the bolt holding the handle on would inevitably loosen over time. I noticed that there's a square cavity in the casting directly underneath the handle that is not utilized. So I added a bump to the bottom of the handle to fit in this cavity. Basically, I cut about a quarter inch from the bottom of the handle with the bandsaw. Flattened and slotted the bottom of the handle so I could glue on a mating extension. Got that back to the original shape except it fits down into that cavity just so. Ne'er another problem.
@vkess1
4 жыл бұрын
I like how you challenge common conceptions, then back up your words with a demo. I use my block plane to flush trim screw plugs and not much else because as you pointed out, it lacks the mass of a smoothing plane. It works trimming plugs better than flush saws and is easier to use for this purpose than a larger plane would. That’s about it though.
@buddybigdaddy8990
5 жыл бұрын
Correct are you! I've been a carpenter since 1970 .A toy model builder since mid 50s b 1952 .The block plane,r anything is up graded by You. The metal is the foundation,no matter its malleable efficiency ,inefficiency. You can change,carve,and shape the handles.Owning multiple planes with different shape handles gives leverage most suited to particular jobs. Just leave yourself a note for its use, because you Will forget.
@ureasmith3049
2 жыл бұрын
I agree. My only block plane is a fancy Lie Neilsen low angle block plane. Nice tool, well made, takes nice shaving but I rarely reach for it. I usually reach for a #4 for chamfering edges or working on endgrain. My #4 is a craftsman brand that I got for 20 bucks at antique shop. Not a collector plane, but my favorite.
@saigmundur
4 жыл бұрын
I totally agree that a block plane is for carpentry. Fits in a small tool box and in a pocket. It is great for knocking dovn edges or trimming drawers as you said. Even in a modern setting it is valuable. I have one and I wouldn't live without it, even though I don't use it too often.
@kevinchamberlain7928
Жыл бұрын
I have just sharpened my ancient Stanley block plane on my original re-dressed 33 year old Indian oilstone and put it in my door-shooting box. It gets used daily for arrising and touching up where the electric planer won't do. It essential AND LIGHTHER THAN A 3 OR 4.
@fngrusty42
3 жыл бұрын
We used the Stanley low angle block plane all the time, but it is because you could carry it in your tool belt. Easy to fix miter , finish a new hung door touch up a base board, but this wasn't high end work this was getting stores, malls and other places up and running, always a minimum amount of time to finish a maximum amount of work. You hit it all right. Good job , I have full sets of planes and hand tools hardly touch a block plan any more . But its still in my tool bag.
@michaelsaxman
6 ай бұрын
I just got a rusty pre-WWII 9 1/2 for cheap, and when I cleaned it up I found that it had no signs of use, and the iron had never been sharpened, still had the factory grind. I measured it, came up with 37 degree single bevel grind, 24" diameter perfect circle camber. Seems like what you would want on a jobsite for tough use.
@galootlovestools
5 жыл бұрын
One of the most common planes I see at flea markets is a Stanley block plane. I haven’t paid over $10 for any one of them with an adjustable mouth. Once fettled, they are my most used planes.
@brettphillips3091
4 жыл бұрын
but you want one...mostly a field tool i've found , rarely do i grab one at the workbench. Great video
@deezynar
5 жыл бұрын
My experience backs up yours, Rex.
@magicdaveable
5 жыл бұрын
When I was working as a finish carpenter/hatdwood floor mechanic I carried several planes in my tool caddy. I also carried a shooting board in my truck just in case. I take issue with your comment about the difference between a master carpenter and a "fine woodworker." There is, in reality, little or no difference between them.
@RexKrueger
5 жыл бұрын
I don't know about that. I know a lot of carpenters that can't build furniture and I can't do carpentry.
@Keithmwalton
5 жыл бұрын
Interesting take. I’m a furniture building woodworker who got a job with carpenters building kitchens and baths and there were endless differences in our skills, approach, techniques, tolerances and personal pride. I’ve never heard a fine woodworker be satisfied with a visible gap and say “I won’t be able to see it from my house” 😂
@Wateringman
4 жыл бұрын
I am a carpenter; and likewise I have done and do cabinet work. It is true that the block plane does not get too much use most of the time. And it is true that "most" individuals go around trying to find the cheapest tool that they can get; because, they "cannot" see themselves paying for an expensive tool. mmmm!. Do I have a block plane? Yes. I have 5 of them. Mostly low angle. First, block planes are akin to a fire extinguisher. It just sits there till you "really" need it. And then when you do...you kiss its butt! What do I use them for? Small parts that I can hold in my hand, or fitting in a drawer, or knock down a sharp edge on a piece of woodwork "in situ". I find them so helpful in shaving to a line on contoured pieces; faster than sandpaper or a rasp; smoother too if your blade is really sharp. I will eventually get another one from Lie-Nielsen. And I would love one day to get a Stanley No 1 hand plane, and a Stanley 164. mmmm! And as far as spending top dollar for a tool. How many say that they would never do something like that; yet, spend top dollar on cable service they do not watch much at all, except for a few selected shows. Or constanly burn money on cigarrette's. Or on their car, or for every stupid doo-da of kitchen utensils. Come on...you know you bought yourself a Ginsu knife! Admit you did so. How about your Pocket Fisherman. Where is it? Or gamble away a great deal of money on the horses or the casino tables. Or fancy clothes, cheap jewelry for your wife. Expensive food and gourmet what-you-might-call-it. Or have food delivered because you value your time so much, that you do not want to go to the store for. When I buy a tool, it must be well made and designed, beautiful, and American Made if I can find it. I will not give my money to a foreign company. I would much rather feed an American worker. You do not do that by buying at Walmart. And great tools can be handed down to your children with pride. Not to mention the pride of using a great tool that is gorgeous and performs well. Maybe one day I will get a set of Preston violin hand planes. Oh well....!
@charlesrussell9312
4 жыл бұрын
I am going to disagree. I love my block planes as I have more control while doing fractional work (less than an inch). They also are essential when I need to make a new fishing pole. :-P Otherwise I use it to help out the neighbors where my #3 plane is overkill. Yes, you can get by without them, but it really depends on the work you do.
@AaronSprague1
5 жыл бұрын
I agree with everything you said except switch #4 to #5. I love my #5. I own 2 blocks, #8, #3, #4 and a #5. By far my #5 gets more use thank any other tool.
@RexKrueger
5 жыл бұрын
I like the 5 almost as much. It's really just personal preference.
@mikecurtin9831
5 жыл бұрын
I look forward to seeing you next week. Thumbs up to crush a troll.
@johnlamb2754
4 жыл бұрын
I've been using my Stanley block plane as a carpenter for fifty years,I'll be using it tomorrow and using it till I no longer can.
@johnpossum556
4 жыл бұрын
I have my fathers Craftsman 102 and it's the best for tuning and tweaking.
@triune_blades
4 жыл бұрын
I have a beautiful v logo no.65. It still needs a bit of love but it feels like it was made for my hand and I love the weight.
@419buckeye7
4 жыл бұрын
They are handy
@dreyn7780
4 жыл бұрын
I’ve never been using any block plane, low or not. Bench planers superseded them along time ago, so did sanding and files and etc... Tool people are on the edge of society and are actually antisocial and can’t communicate cause they argue and fight all the time.
@kellyvcraig
4 жыл бұрын
@@dreyn7780 No they aren't. No they don't.
@kimmonshandtools6849
4 жыл бұрын
Your videos are always great to watch and you’re completely correct in my opinion, I’ve never even owned a block plane and really don’t think I have a need for them. Even if I had one, Id grab a bench plane every time because I have large hands and a number 4 already feels quite nimble and easy to use for most things in my opinion.
@andymckenzie8031
5 жыл бұрын
I'm convinced that there are only two real advantages to a block plane: 1) They're less intimidating to sharpen, so they're mostly kept sharper, and 2) They're more maneuverable, so they're great for small things like moulding, which is likely to be where most people first use them. Other than that, I really wouldn't miss them if I stopped using them tomorrow.
@CT-gm7mm
5 жыл бұрын
block planes are really use full on job sights were space and weight become constraints. its good for doing baseboards and casing where you only need to do a small trim but its not worth it to head back to your saw.
@ErikBongers
5 жыл бұрын
But dad, I want shiny bronze and brass on my tools!
@RexKrueger
5 жыл бұрын
Hey, those are very nice tools...but I still don't need one.
@ErikBongers
5 жыл бұрын
I actually don't have one either. If it looks too much like jewelry, I'd be afraid to use it. And you pay for it per (non-functional) shine factor.
@mattberg6816
4 жыл бұрын
Erik Bongers don’t be jealous
@sanderbrugman8157
4 жыл бұрын
These are really great for people who build instruments. I have a vintage stanley from the 60's really great
@TheSMEAC
4 жыл бұрын
Good video and true information to be sure. However, my L-N 60-1/2 Rabbeting Block Plane is in my shop apron at all times.
@mariom8097
4 жыл бұрын
Notice that skewing the bench plane you have a less resistance because you are lowering the angle. For trimming stock better a lowangleblockplane, and much less resistance if adding Skewing. No Doubt the best option for 1 hand and apron fit work.
@montanawhite5699
2 жыл бұрын
I went to school for carpentry, we were required to bring certain hands tools, like utility knife, speed square, torpedo and 2’ level, saw, gamer etc etc.. the most interesting tool required was a block plane. I use mine mostly for installing doors.
@mattgoodstadt2372
Жыл бұрын
Haha! I had a Stanley 9 1/2 delivered just yesterday! Then I see this. Serves me right for not watching ALL of Rex's videos first.
@echojardini
2 жыл бұрын
just starting my tool collection and I will say that block planes are cheaper and easier to find. literally bought the same millers falls block plane as rex has here for $15 at a garage sale last weekend (there were also ones for $5 and $10 but I liked the grip on this one-- I have small hands and its easier to hold.)
@suzisaintjames
5 жыл бұрын
Looking forward to next week's review. I'm especially interested in if the blade holds it edge. See, I bought a cheap kitchen knife. It had a red handle that fits me well and nice weight. The only problem is that the steel is poor quality and every time I use it, I have to sharpen it. $35 is a great price but I'm hoping that they didn't cut corners on the blade. 💝☀🌵
@darkJohnSmith
Жыл бұрын
Lol, very true. I never use mine, except on a jobsite. I would say that a jackplane is the most versatile, not a smoother. I did everything for years with just a no 5.
@738polarbear
4 жыл бұрын
He’s right . You can use a full size number 4. However a block plane is handy for using with small stock.For really small stock I use my Veritas Apron plane . Beautifull little plane . I have 3 block planes and never use them.
@ZackWilliamson1
5 жыл бұрын
Awesome video Rex, I was actually on the fence about that Great Neck plane after watching so many of your other videos! It should be noted that a lot of the house brand planes on the market are also made by Great Neck. I know they make them for Ace Hardware, and I'm pretty sure they do for Home Depot as well.
@anthonybeers
2 жыл бұрын
use mine as a tiny smoothing plan in small difficult areas. Stanley No 1 and 2 are rare and the handles are really small.
@censusgary
5 жыл бұрын
OK, so I don’t need a block plane. But used block planes are abundant and cheap. I’ve gotten several of them free or in mixed lots of old tools I bought. I plan to keep at least one of them.
@Glen_lastname
Жыл бұрын
If you're using a bench plane all day a block plane can be really good for me just to get something with a different hand position, but as a tool I probably don't need it
@williamnye478
5 жыл бұрын
Can't argue! Good luck with that great neck. I've had a lot of bad luck with this new batch of tools.
@RexKrueger
5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it's got...issues.
@bigbearnelson
5 жыл бұрын
I've got an Ace Hardware branded #4 that looks exactly like the great neck one. It breezes through white oak end grain (two days ago) after spending 4-5 hours getting it set up properly. I've had it for a year or so and my only gripe is that I've got big hands and only three fingers fit on the handle.
@williamnye478
5 жыл бұрын
@@bigbearnelson Set-up is everything! Even a cheap tool can work well if set up properly. But I'm with you, Chinese planes seem to have smallish totes, and don't fit my hands either.
@banjotramp1
4 жыл бұрын
Good video. I was taught that block planes are better for end grain. I'll rethink that. But only on the bench!. Nothing beats a block plane on a job site. Try planing end grain, or anything with a bench plane without a bench.... One hand is the vise and the other the tool.. The moral of the story.. If you want to build furniture, you don't need a block plane. If you are going to to do finish carpentry, you don't need a bench plane. And keep them both sharp.
@DBYNOE
5 жыл бұрын
Thought this was click bait, but watched it anyway and was pleasantly surprised. And yes, its their best use is portable work and I think my standard angle block plane's additional mass seemed way easier to use. Great review and all of my good planes came from ebay. Thx
@RexKrueger
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I don't make click-bait videos. If I say something bold, I mean it.
@DBYNOE
5 жыл бұрын
Krueger which says a lot for the quality of your vids, Thx
@kurdtpatton5039
2 жыл бұрын
I'm liking this video purely on your classy intro.
@UTBanjo
Жыл бұрын
I can do everything I do with my block plane with a #4 or sharp chisel. That said, I love my low angle(ground at 20º) block plane for many tasks.
@adrianabshire
5 жыл бұрын
Sacrilege! I had to get a plane when I started wood working... I *might* be able to find it in the garage somewhere if my wife hasn’t moved it! Love the vids - Keep up the great work!
@dreyn7780
4 жыл бұрын
98% of woodworkers destroy all planes they get their hands on. They’ve never heard of filing an edge. Metal workers are not such great snobs as woodworkers are. Woodworkers struggle and resist putting an edge on any surface. They want rust and dents and NO grease or oil on anything. Every bolt/screw MUST HAVE grease on the thread. Every surface MUST BE oiled. Wax MUST BE applied. Sharp edges MUST BE rounded or else YOU get cut. MULTIPLE QUANTITIES of a tool must be purchased.
@thethirdman225
Жыл бұрын
I'm glad you opened the way you did. The internet being what it is, there's always some nutjob who will turn it into a flame war... or try to.
@wehaveasaying
2 жыл бұрын
Who's a block plane for? Me. There I was with no knowledge and no skills at the big box store with some warped construction 2x4 bits from the caul bin, the cheapest miter box / saw combo deal they had, 2 miter clamps, 2 quick clamps, stuff to make 2 pipe clamps (you can never have too many clamps), those weird little sheet metal things you use with random 2x4s to make the worst possible saw horse in the world, and a box of drywall screws when I saw a box plane and realized I needed it because everything is made out of boxes and those boxes probably need some planing. I could tell my wife was skeptical. "Its really gonna take my projects up to that next level" I told her. In the years that followed I have made an impressive amount of sawdust and wove a web of obscenities that hangs over the majority of central and southern Arizona.
@kyleb123456
5 жыл бұрын
I went through the "must buy this tool" phase a few years ago. So now i have a dozen or so planes. Awsome right, well over half of them are eather missing the tote or it is broken in half. Would you do a quick video on replacing/repairing handles for vintage stanley planes
@gnarthdarkanen7464
5 жыл бұрын
IN the meantime... (if you're interested) Repairs aren't too difficult, as long as the break hasn't lost anything (or loss is minimal). The hardest part of repairing a tote is getting everything lined up and then keeping it that way, because you pretty much have to rig a clamp-up for it. Personally, I find the greatest mileage out of JB-Weld epoxy, and I avidly avoid any of the "quick" epoxy types, especially for tool repairs. You can get by on them, but they're not as consistently solid and long-lived as regular mix and cure overnight stuff... AND for repairs, that's really about it... sand carefully to clean... OR you can use a BRASS WIRE brush or wheel very gently for those breaks with weird cracks and crevasses. Then wipe with a "nappy" cloth, like terrycloth (bath-towel/wash cloth) to be sure it's clear of dust and debris... Rig your clamp(s)... okay, I usually find it most convenient to start with some plywood and a jig saw... You CAN go with a scroll saw, coping saw, router, whatever suits you (and is available)... BUT the point is to make a cut-out of your tote. Since most totes are about the same size and shape, once you've made it, KEEP IT, and you've always got the thing... Jig-saws are readily available and cheap here-abouts, so I usually just go with that and carefully use an "exemplar" tote for the pattern, careful to keep it pretty tight... I cut out as many replicas in the plywood as it takes to stack up very close to the thickness of my "broken tote"... and then laminate and clamp them together. You can (but don't need to) trim off excesses, and if you're going to rig with string involved, you might want to lay your exemplar tote into the cut-out to finish the "physical engineering"... Which is a clever way of saying, repeatedly tie down and adjust strings or cords or wires (whatever you've got) around tote and cutout while you make notches and adjustments for a consistent fit... This template will be able to restore any tote after you're done, so dutiful care to make it comfortable and convenient for YOU is important... When you're happy with it, move on to fixing your broken tote... To actually fix... mix the epoxy by the instructions and "schmuntz" the stuff into cracks and crevasses of the broken area so you have plenty... consistent "squeeze out" is optimal over "lots of squeeze out"... so when you press this thing together into your cutout form, any bead of ooze means "you've applied enough". Apply and tie, clamp, fit, whatever else to make a stable well aligned product... and then leave it. Once cured (usually overnight is good)... You're still going to want to match a drill-bit to the inner channel, where the bolt goes to hold it down. You're free to attempt to skip this, and I have managed from time to time in the past, BUT the usual ooze of epoxy gets into it and tends to become a mild nuisance... a drill and half a minute worth of gentle coaxing through the thing beats driving yourself ape-sh*t trying to fight a thick, square-ended bolt through a little glob of goop. A brief sanding or scraping to get rid of uncomfortable bits of epoxy is all that's really required. It's a tool (after all) not a show-piece... until you find a new tote to replace it... SO bolt it back in place, and get back to work... Making a new one??? I'd recommend hickory, oak, or any of your "tool handle" options... You should be sure that the wood is DRY and STABLE, before you start, but there's no real mystique about it... I usually (again) just draw a guide from another "complete enough" tote the best I can, and go after it with a jig-saw... MAKING SURE... to cut the handle a bit LARGER than the original, so stick just outside the lines "comfortably" and consistently... Here, however, the "hard part" is getting that bolt hole aligned... and it's just my opinion, but as long as we're doing this thing ourselves... why bother absolutely following the company standard??? SO this is why I suggest cutting it larger... a bit thicker and a bit wider than the original, just gives you a bit of "breathing space" because you're not a factory owner with a $10K robot fitting handles and bolts all day. Like me, you're a guy (or gal) in a shop, trying to get the damn plane to work... That said, Centerline is important, so (I usually work from the top down), along the top you'll want to draw that out so it's visible while you drill. Next, you'll want to go back to your "exemplar" tote, and use it to line up the angle (as close as possible) for the bolt to travel through the new one... When I do this, I usually lay the new tote on the table, the old tote on the new one, and keeping them both aligned, carefully scratch a line directly from the old bolt-holes down to the new tote's approximate spots for it... THEN you can square everything up, and make a line from the "exit point" in the bottom of the new tote, to the "entry point" at the top, giving you the approximately deadly accurate angle of attack. When you clamp this thing in the vice to start drilling, you can use a torpedo level (my favorite for the job) or even any accurate square you have (provided your table and vice is "proper level") to put the "drilling angle" as close to dead-vertical as you can get it. Provided you can drill a straight and vertical line (and there are a few tricks to accomplish that)... push a scratch awl or sharpened nail into the entry-point exactly... to avoid "walking" the drill around. AND you're good to go. Trick... (my go to for "dead vertical")... I actually have a torpedo level, it's a short combination level so I can find short lengths of vertical and horizontal as well as 45's... about six inches long. You CAN get by with a reasonably accurate square, as long as you have a precise "dead horizontal" surface to reference from... I mount the drill bit first.Then using the torpedo level in one hand, I align the bit with vertical, and drill deep into a piece of "stock"... shut-down the drill as shortly as possible, and leave it in the hole. A large piece of stock is helpful, in case I screw it up the first time or two (or I'm just not happy with the finish)... Next, I get some duck-tape or black-tape (but even masking tape will work in a pinch, as long as it's not painter's blue)... and I find a reasonably effective place to tape the level to my drill... I want to SEE the bubble reference, so I can keep my eye on something and be relatively confident in my work... AND I want to AVOID covering the vents for cooling the motor (those places where air comes out when the drill runs... yeah... don't cover those. It's bad...) If you have two levels, you can even go as far as covering two axes... BUT I prefer (actually) only using one, so I'm not darting my eyes all over the place and jostling around... Instead, I prefer to drill in very short "bursts" and keep the rpm's under control (SLOWER than I'd like)... As the drill sinks into the work, I step around about 90 degrees off from my original position and check the bubble for about a burst, and then back for about a burst and so forth... Drill slow and don't forget to withdraw from time to time (about every quarter inch or six millimeters) to clear the bit. Take your time, and this should get you on the way. Once the hole is drilled, you can go about cleaning up, trimming down excess, and sanding and what-not... If you're extra ambitious, you can get a larger bit and just chew into the top of the hole for a recess like the pro's make... but that thing doesn't really DO anything but look "pretty". Finally, I do recommend some low or medium grade "thread locker"... You don't need the high-grade expensive stuff, because the big thing this stuff is good for is keeping the bolt threads CLEAN, so you can take it down later in case you find a "better" tote or decide you want to make "adjustments"... as dubiously necessary. Sorry it's a bit long, but I prefer precision over brevity... Hope this helps. ;o)
@738polarbear
4 жыл бұрын
He’s right . You can use a full size number 4. However a block plane is handy for using with small stock.
@bertkutoob
5 жыл бұрын
My understanding is that the BLOCK plane got its name from its common use to trim the working surface of a butcher's BLOCK , which is all end grain. In such a case, being that the absolute flatness of the surface is not of prime importance, the block plane would be in its element. Using a bench plane would force the butcher into taking off too much wood in trying to get to the low spots and significantly shorten the useful life of the block. Everything has its place.. I'm not a butcher (more of a bodger) but my 30 years old Stanley block plane is simply my favourite tool. Maybe because it's such a dinky little thing...
@steveholloway738
3 жыл бұрын
If you happen to have a cheap home grade Stanley planet, Veritas makes high quality replacement blades that can go some of the distance to improving their performance.
@johnkelley9877
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the information. You make a lot of good points and I am looking forward to the review.
@roymoneyhun2838
Жыл бұрын
Thanks again, Rex. Again. Again. As usual, hat's off to you.
@therealzilch
4 жыл бұрын
I need a block plane. But then again, I'm a bowmaker.
@robgoodsight6216
5 жыл бұрын
Absolutely right...a nr 4 is good for everything. ..an allrounder. But I am asking myself: how many planes and tools for woodworking do you need? My brain: yes!
@charleshettrick2408
4 жыл бұрын
I made myself mad. Built a 5 foot gate last month and used the block plane for almost whole thing. I am turning into my Dad! 40 years ago I use to say why are you using the little toy. He always answered he could get more done with it than I could with the #3. I am now getting the age he was and, yup, that little cheap block plane (not fancy like in the picture) works just fine enough. It was the first plane he pulled out. I didn't use it at all for 24 years. Now it is often the first plane I pull out.
@kyvguinto
5 жыл бұрын
I'll be honest I'm that guy that loves his low angle block plane but I'm lucky enough to have gotten a used Woodriver for cheap. I do keep it in a pouch on my apron and I use it all the time. I HATE the great neck plane! It was my very first plane and it requires a ton of tuning and the adjustments are very sticky. The screw cap also extends really far down the chip breaker and interferes with the shavings coming out and clogs a ton. The blade is also paper thin and chatters a lot. Seriously, I think it's so worth it to either restore an old plane or save those pennies to get a better one. But that's only one man's opinion. (;
@ryandavis7593
5 жыл бұрын
That little plane hasn’t seen the light of day in twenty years in my shop for the very reasons that you stated. My bench planes are my go to planes. I do have have a small coffin smoother that gets used a lot. It’s about 50 degrees but can’t be used on a shooting board. My favorite coffin smoother finally wore out. It was very very old with about eight names punched into it. Sole, iron and chip breaker all gone. Just saying.
@RexKrueger
5 жыл бұрын
Love coffin smoothers. Quite under-appreciated these days.
@tomjoseph1444
3 жыл бұрын
I do actually use mine every day. I use it for what it was intended. Small jobs usually hand held. I use my fox tail plane as well.
@johnsanford3596
2 жыл бұрын
You don't NEED anything other than a chisel. You can do EVERYTHING with a chisel.
@nasarazam
14 күн бұрын
I wonder how low angle jack plane will perform with end grain
@robinalexander5772
4 жыл бұрын
For me I have may planes, from 2 inches up to a no.7. Do I need so many yes, why because it is better to have it when the need arises, it may be once a year or longer but I have it, job is done. My thoughts on what I think someone should have is a 4, 41/2, 5, 51/2. Just my thoughts, just a home tinker. My block plane which is an axminster rider plane is heavy and solid and I can hone the blade to scary sharp and it planes smooth as silk. $120 AU. at the end of the day it just comes down to enjoying what you do with what you have. cheers everyone from tassie
@robinalexander5772
4 жыл бұрын
nasser d , My 41/2, 5, 6, and 7 hand planes are Axminster rider, they work just fine, flat and square and they have some weight to them. I like them a lot. And one of my block plane is a rider as well.
@alexanderguestguitars3619
4 жыл бұрын
One thing the block plane undoubtedly is suited best to is SITE WORK. Its small, light and compact, perfect for transportation. and when you're on site, who is equipped with a heavy bench and vise to hold the work to be planed with a bench plane? No-one! The block plane is able to be used (but not
@walterrider9600
2 жыл бұрын
thank you Rex
@JamesSmith-su3oz
5 жыл бұрын
Rex, You did not try the full line up. You missed a small japanese block plane off of amazon. Low price and after some work that all planes need that are new or new to me should suprise the user in a good way.
@newenglandyankeeliving5052
4 жыл бұрын
I make Adirondack chairs and keep it in my apron everyday. They clean up slats nice. I got a millets fallers abd a Stanley both should’ve been very expensive but I got them at a junk shop on the vineyard
@michaelgraff6978
5 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure if your analysis on adding the angles makes sense. On a bevel down plane, all you need to do is grind the bevel to more than the 45º mark, ideally at least 55 or so. The closer you are to 45 in some cases the better as the cutting edge has more support. When you use bevel up, it feels like the cutting edge to surface slop is the bottom of the iron, which means the angle does change with lower angles. The bevel itself basically acts as a chip breaker more than anything. I could also be totally wrong here...
@RexKrueger
5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, you're pretty much totally wrong (no disrespect intended). If you sharpened a bevel down plane to 45 degrees, there would be no clearance and it wouldn't cut at all.
@michaelgraff6978
5 жыл бұрын
For a bevel down, this is true. However the bevel is just clearance at that point as the cutting edge consists of the flat part of the blade. For a bevel up, the bevel is involved in the edge profile exposed to the wood. I guess in that way, yes, adding them makes sense. Ok, geometry lesson obtained.
@RexKrueger
5 жыл бұрын
Cool. I appreciate the discussion! Thanks for watching!
@martijngottgens6417
4 жыл бұрын
keep m sharp… thats key!
@tonylenge424
5 жыл бұрын
Agree with you. Very good video and enjoyable to watch. Thanks
@borjesvensson8661
3 жыл бұрын
What they are really good is frehand work hold in the hand and a small coffin smoother is just as good at that for me, o and they fit in a pocket, the small coffin smother dont do that.
@petermenningen338
4 жыл бұрын
Just came home with a Stanley Bailey # 3 series 19 which I purchased at Habitat for Humanity Maui for $5. It is rough but all parts are there and all of the screws and adjustments work. I figure that about 1-1/2 hr work and other than the wood it is back to working shape. I have a medium collection of Planes some came to the US with the Family in 1954 from Germany. some were purchased by my Father here and some I purchased here Most need some TLC now and I'm working on that now that I'm retired. I can't let an old tool at a garage sale pass me by if the seller is reasonable. As for HfH outlet I give the clerks there a lot of help with IDing the odd tools that arrive at the store and helping them set the sales value. for that I get an occasional deal of an odd or repairable tool. How I deal with them is I put a value in my head and ask them for their price If they are lower I give them my price (good Cause) and if theirs is higher I decide if it is worth that to me. I never negotiate their price down. I know if it doesn't sell in a reasonable time they will reoffer it to me. We all live on this Island in the middle of the Pacific so we need to treat everyone fairly.
@edwardwheeler1277
3 жыл бұрын
I bought a harbor freight plane set with standard and block for $19. My first plane. Now to true it.
@tomjoseph1444
3 жыл бұрын
What! Two Stanley 71's on the wall behind you! between you and Paul Sellers, no wonder I can't find an affordable one. LOL
@joeseabert8391
4 жыл бұрын
I’ve had a block plane in my tool chest for years, used it once, just last month I saw it in there and it had fallen apart. I couldn’t get it back together, well, now I know why, I was trying to put the bevel down.
@RexKrueger
4 жыл бұрын
We've all done it.
@markcomly3546
4 жыл бұрын
why is there an adjustable mouth on block plans and what do they do?
@RexKrueger
4 жыл бұрын
Often, when cutting end grain or difficult wood, it's useful to close the mouth to take a very fine shaving. You also find this feature on high-end bench planes.
@BinManSays87
3 жыл бұрын
Honestly in the UK a proper vintage Sheffield made Stanley 9½ can be found for like £30-£50 for a clean one and as you can get/make a belt holster for them I can't see why you shouldn't have one after getting a you've built up a decent set of tools and honestly I've found truly tiny wood and brass Scottish planes for like £5 and they look so cute but fully pointless
@chaselee86
Жыл бұрын
Actually why does block plane usually have bevel up? What happens if you put the bevel down?
@Toms_Wood_and_Leather
5 жыл бұрын
Can’t wait for the video on that smoothing plane. I’ve been enjoying your videos lately and have started a plan on getting my kids into the shop. They are way to young for power tools so your woodworking for humans series is really given me some ideas. My father was not a craftsman so I did not start out as young and have never really used hand tools before KZitem. Funny thing is I learned how to swing an axe on this platform. Thank you for the knowledge. BTW you are looking better than your earlier videos.
@RexKrueger
5 жыл бұрын
New camera!
@corncobjohnsonreal
5 жыл бұрын
How do you even learn about wood? Like, the different species, and what's softwood and hardwood, and what would be good for what purpose, what to watch out for for different types. I see all you woodworking fellas talk about wood with such knowledge, I have a smoothed over almond brain so don't know where to begin
@RexKrueger
5 жыл бұрын
I recommend "With the Grain" by Christian Becksvoort. (Lost Art Press). It's my top resource.
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