Do you own an endurance bike or is aero more your thing?
@ΣκιστειςβάρβαροςαποτηνΣκωτία
8 ай бұрын
Endurance bike for speed you wonder what am talking about? It's Endurance bike 7.484 kilo without pedals 53 teeth gropset and extremely responsive to speed in comfort everything
@schrodingerthecat
8 ай бұрын
I built one out of what was originally Sirrus 4 from Specialized. Changed out everything to make it more like a road endurance bike. It's been great for long tours over the last couple of years. This year I am looking to purchase one - the Vitus Venon looks amazing (if I can get one in the states).
@karelvandervelden8819
8 ай бұрын
All bikes should be designed with aerodynamics in mind. Its just the better shape. And if you can ride in the drops comfortably your fit (stack) is ok. Be it race or endurance.
@dmazur891
8 ай бұрын
Steel gravel bike with a set of road wheels seems to fit the bill!
@songofyesterday
8 ай бұрын
I know I should own an enduro but ended up buying a third hand Emonda because it looked cool and liftable with two fingers.
@vincentteng
8 ай бұрын
The right bike is whichever bike will make you want to ride it more and makes you happy. Doesn't matter if it's an aero, lightweight, endurance, gravel etc.
@peggz223
8 ай бұрын
With all the ‘race’ marketing in road cycling, some people who purchase TCRs, S6 Evos and Dogmas must be aware that the geometry isn’t designed for leisure or exercise, which of those two activities the ‘average cyclist’ is majorly riding. I suppose everyone has to do their proper research and chat with experienced cyclists, not just agree with the posters in their local LBS.
@pen2199
8 ай бұрын
I ride surly long haul trucker, go shops on it work and on holiday, needless to say I love it..its even got mudguards
@rdr33
8 ай бұрын
@@peggz223 This is where proper bike fit comes in. I was eyeing an endurance bike (Giant Defy) then, but I decided to consult first a fitter prior to purchasing one. I've found out that the TCR is much comfortable, hence I purchased one and it has become my "endurance" bike ever since.
@peggz223
8 ай бұрын
@@rdr33 Good point, usually I’d assume more relaxed frame geometry is a better starting point than going with something more aggressive, but I’m glad you found a TCR more ‘rideable’ by consulting a fitting expert and asking good questions. Ride on man!
@robertmcfadyen9156
8 ай бұрын
@@rdr33The Giant defy has intermediately aggressive riding position . The TCR is more relaxed making it better suited for longer riding sessions .
@brockjennings
8 ай бұрын
Experience has taught me when you are no longer a slave cycling marketing hype or aspire to perform like a pro despite age or suboptimal genetics, is the point you can truly enjoy road cycling.
@SurpriseMeJT
8 ай бұрын
Also, just stop riding with people who are slaves to cycling marketing theology. When you've been riding for 20+ years longer than them (even if you are similar in age), your intuition is better than theirs.
@tomp538
6 ай бұрын
When I hit 60 I adopted a ride less and enjoy more attitude. This includes riding a 34 year old custom steel bike with 10spd Campy and modern wheels.
@talibe801
2 ай бұрын
Im 61 and riding bikes for more than 40 years,i have 6 bikes but just one is more aero(scott foil),witch by the way is the one i ride less,since i prefer more hilly rides and mountain rides,ive been like the majority of amateur riders across the world a slave to cycling,but since i started riding more alone and chose my rides,i enjoy much more riding,and without so much stress.
@1DumbSquirrel
Ай бұрын
😂 just ride 🎉 it's not that serious 😅@@SurpriseMeJT
@buster.keaton
8 ай бұрын
100% agree. When I got my first Trek Domane in 2015, it was a total game changer for me. I no longer come back from rides feeling like I just got beat-up by my own bicycle.
@tbrowniscool
8 ай бұрын
Everyone thinks my 2017 105 Roubaix looks shit, me included. But god it's comfortable
@skeletonmodel
7 ай бұрын
Really looking into that one. Messages like this I see way more than the Synapse. Might have to start saving up!
@Vixen1525
4 ай бұрын
Because it beats you and that is good :D I have a Fuji Roubaix from 2016 and I love the heck out of it.
@szaka9395
4 ай бұрын
I got a trek emonda alr6 and people laugh at me that i got alu over carbon in that price. Untill it turns out it got better wheels, groupset and weights less than their carbon shits :D
@paddymurphy-oconnor8255
Ай бұрын
@@skeletonmodel Synapse alloy is a very spongey bike. I rode one for years and grew to hate it. No stiffness in the frame at all.
@beatalthaus3743
8 ай бұрын
Thank you so much. Two years ago I bought a red Giant Defy, Ultegra Di 2 with power meter. I am now 76 years old and since 2 yaers in love with my Giant doing up to 140 Km. Started cycling one year earlier with a Cube Nuroad Gravelbike. I use this bike only in winter. I am so happy that I followed your advice 2 years age thanks again.
@fahrradmarkus
8 ай бұрын
I'm sure we all hope to be as fit as you are, when we're that age! :)
@beatalthaus3743
8 ай бұрын
Hallo Markus, ich wohne am Bodensee und liebe es überall hin zu fahren. Habe letzten Herbst zum ersten Mal am Bodensee Radrennen teilgenommen was mir viel Spass gemacht hat. Danke für Deine Antwort.@@fahrradmarkus
@pedaling.z
8 ай бұрын
76 years! wow! ❤❤
@TYPEV3
7 ай бұрын
7:30 I’m so glad you highlighted that. When your hobby is your passion, any sense of practicality and logic go out the window. Look at cars, we’d all be fine with a VW Golf tsi but tell me you wouldn’t rather drive a Porsche. You’ll put up with the harsh ride, no back seats and terrible storage all so that your commute can be every bit more exciting. Same story with bikes.
@salguod3791
8 ай бұрын
I have a Rivendell A. Homer Hilsen. Goes anywhere and perfect for everything! I'm glad that people are figuring out that you don't need a race bike unless you are actually in a race. If you are out for exercise, those few ounces are not going to hurt anything. Reliability, versatility, and comfort are much more important than getting to your destination 2 minutes sooner.
@mattfoley7881
6 ай бұрын
Got about 50K miles on my 23-yr old Trek 1000 road bike. I’m 63, riding about 3K leisure mi/yr and, while I can easily afford to upgrade, just don’t have a good enough reason to do it. 😎
@rubo1964
5 ай бұрын
have even older version of the same bike in yellow and blue.Love it
@jwfriar
8 ай бұрын
I first bought an endurance bike based on thinking I wanted to be more relaxed but several fitters recommended a more aggressive bike for my next bike. I’m 5’7” 185 lbs and 42. Moved from a Roubaix to a Soloist. It has added prob 2 mph to my cruising speed, better handling, better climbing. I ride 30 tires tubeless and it’s more comfy than the endurance bike road vibration wise. Part of it is if you’re willing to put the work in to be able to handle the more aggressive position. It takes practice. And if you like going as fast as you can. I do, I’m always trying to go faster in the same routes I do. For me, I’m super happy I moved to a race bike. Others may just wanna get out and get in some miles without obsessing over speed. Others don’t have bodies that can contort to aggressive positions. But if you’re like me and love the speed, I wouldn’t rule out a race bike or aero bike.
@NucleusProductionsBE
Ай бұрын
Thanks.. I'm in a similar situation. I am very much looking at the Merida Reacto (current riding a 2016 Scultura 300 but wanting to upgrade). I absolutely love getting down in position and giving it my all (5'6.5" & 160lbs here).
@lethargic_cow
23 күн бұрын
Same here eyeing the Reacto! 😊@@NucleusProductionsBE
@chrisdavis8399
8 ай бұрын
I have two race bikes - an aero bike and a hill climber and had them fitted so they are comfortable. I’m 60 but my back is still fine and I LOVE to go fast. I tried the Defy and honestly it felt slow to me. At the end of the day ride what you love!
@fiatfixie4344
8 ай бұрын
I tend to be in the speed = comfort school as well. I often ride alone at a brisk base in windy conditions. Being in a tucked position and having that snappy feel from a racier bike is nice.
@jwfriar
8 ай бұрын
Riding my old endurance bike now that I have a race bike feels like I’m riding in mud. So slow.
@markehrlich7534
8 ай бұрын
Yes, agree that wider tires are better for sure😃... But like my stack on the low side. It's been extra 🌬️ windy this year and being tucked definitely gets you through the wind easier/faster. If you're riding 400-500 miles per month that definitely adds up to time/watts saved so glad I still have my old Trek 1400 zx "Race" Bike... Plus it's light and easy to chuck around... Guess if I really wanted to make life easier, I'd just drop $$2.5k on a higher level electric and be done with human💪 powered cycling for good!!👍😮 ...Aaaahhhh, so much easier!!😅
@Windband1
8 ай бұрын
I'm 60 as well. I'm fit and flexible and it's not my back on those bikes, it's my neck! My body feels great on those race bikes, but by the end of the ride the back of my neck is destroyed.
@jwfriar
8 ай бұрын
@@Windband1 My neck lasts about 5 hours riding. After that my neck starts hurting. For me, endurance or race, it always hurts just keeping my head up
@davidgromer3525
8 ай бұрын
After 14 years riding Roubaix endurance road bikes, I switched to an Emonda and love it! It’s so much fun! Quick accelerations and responsive steering is a blast. Trek’s “1.5 geometry” is reasonably relaxed and fitted with a few spacers is comfy, even for me at age 68. The 51 mm deep wheels with 31 mm external width pair perfectly with Pirelli P Zero 30 mm tires set up tubeless. I’m geared down when needed with a 10-36 cassette. The old slammed stem paradigm isn’t the only road bike option.
@rickbomans831
8 ай бұрын
I switched from a Giant TCR to an Emonda and I can agree
@flynando
8 ай бұрын
I agree with you, in parts. I think you should start the video by saying: if you, like me, only use bicycles for leisure, never participate in competitions, don't go after KOMs...You should consider an endurance bike.
@ΣκιστειςβάρβαροςαποτηνΣκωτία
8 ай бұрын
I build my endurance bike and is very good when I build that it was 8.600 kilos now its 7.483 with the upgrades that I did I can.easily hold 42 khm in the straight keep on mind the wheels is aluminum everything is how you choose your components and how aero frames is not that much faster at the best the gave you 0.4 kmh per hour in the straight with the same watts
@kidsafe
8 ай бұрын
I agree with whatever opinions result in road race bikes staying long/low. More riders choosing endurance bikes is good. Fewer riders being shamed for having 50mm in spacers on race bikes is good too.
@shimona500
8 ай бұрын
Too high handlebars can cause neck pain as well
@kidShibuya
8 ай бұрын
Right. If you are a cosplayer then get a race bike. Well said.
@huntos83
8 ай бұрын
You can race and take KOMs on an endurance bike - a lot of good endurance bikes are neither slow or heavy, and also have aerodynamic features. Riding a bike that fits you properly is almost always faster. It’s not a case of choosing between a fast bike and a slow bike, both types of bike can be fast with the right rider.
@ChristopherKeller-yb6ik
5 ай бұрын
Great point, well made. I ride a Canyon Endurace CFR and absolutely adore the bike. Super lightweight and easy on the eye. It makes me smile whenever I look at it, and I can never wait to get back on it for another ride.
@mikecoglione1308
8 ай бұрын
I have an Emonda that I absolutely adore for group rides and long, hilly routes and thanks to the carbon its not too bad for comfort but as an every day bike I always turn to my old Salsa Journeyman hybrid. I ride a lot like over 100 miles most week and chewed through that bike twice over only the frame and handlebar are original but it now has GRX gears. I love the 46/30 and 11-42. Its great as a commuter and errand runner to heavily load up and get around traffic, snow, ice, whatever. I even chewed through the wheels and upgraded to a cost reducing, semi custom carbon wheelset. It rides like a dream. Not fast but taking it easy its surprising how far I can get with it. I have done my longest rides on it including 158 miles with 12k climb in ONE DAY in Italy. But you just have to take it a little easier.
@MrChristiangraham
8 ай бұрын
Having spent years promoting gravel and aero and saturated that market, it's time to persuade us to buy another kind of bike 😂
@DaveCM
8 ай бұрын
Well, gravel bikes have closer to an endorsement geometry, so at least they were onto something there. I love my gravel bike.
@sevenrats
8 ай бұрын
Most people just don't have anywhere to ride a gravel bike. Most places the roads are paved and trails are single track. So it's a bike that worse on pavement than a road bike and worse on trails than a mountain bike. Sure if you live somewhere with miles and miles of dirt roads then I'm sure they would be the best thing ever.
@salvatoremannino3389
8 ай бұрын
@@sevenrats you have a point but the times when I want to do gravel I don't need to take a train or go by car I can just ride to the trail. That is the good thing about gravel bikes. It's not about fast rides but flexibility. Going to reach the trails 60/70 kms away I don't even think about using my mtb but with the gravel bike I can. Having two road bikes (winter and summer),gravel, and mtb i never get bored. Of course city bike for commuting... Life is never boring
@DavidHinton-vl7ti
6 ай бұрын
@@sevenrats the closest gravel road to my house is about 1.5km and I can do hundreds of kilometres locally on gravel. I have a road bike, but my gravel bike is actually better suited to most road riding (due to road condition and bike comfort) and the performance quite comparable.
@sevenrats
6 ай бұрын
@@DavidHinton-vl7ti Congratulations!
@thebigg2345
8 ай бұрын
I think we need to get away from titles like "endurance", "gravel" etc. My last 2 bikes were based on the geometry and tyre clearance I wanted, along with things like frame mounts and the ability to fit mudguards. I couldn't care less what category the manufacturer put them in. As it happens, both were sold as 'gravel' bikes but that was irrelevant to the purchasing decision.
@wandering_pete
4 ай бұрын
Always ask yourself what sort of riding you want to do and base you buying decision on that with the factors you suggest.
@jean-paullanglois5452
3 ай бұрын
Marketing marketing my friend 😊😊!!
@royevans4581
8 ай бұрын
I still have my CAAD12. Awesome bike, and recommended by you!
@Quivivravelo
8 ай бұрын
Same
@brody5211
8 ай бұрын
Sure is ,Hit many PRs on mine - A bike you could still win on still today
@RobertSimpson-wp3pr
5 ай бұрын
I'm 57, just got my 1st road bike since I was 15 years old. A Bianchi 928 carbon L, 2 weeks later pick up a Cervelo RS. 6 weeks today there is a Daccordi Vinci on its way to me. I bike to work 6 days a week. About 20 minutes away. I gave up the truck. When I comes home, I can't wait to go back out and ride more. At 1st I was worried about the leaning over. Now I love it and prefer it. Each bike weighs less than 17lbs. This low weight, thin tires makes the bike go up hills by itself. The roads where I live are horrible. I have Campanology Ventos, Shimano r500, both are bulletproof. I'm gonna stay with what I have until I can no longer ride
@michaelseibold9977
4 ай бұрын
Completely agree! I switched from a road bike to a Parlee endurance bike in 2017 and will never look back. The carbon lay-ups, the shorter wheelbase and cockpit make for comfort be in a 25 mile short ride or a century.
@antoniiocaluso1071
8 ай бұрын
HOOOO BOYYY...after 69-years of cycling, nothing has "ruined" my love of cycling than looking at YT-vids on the subject. Ughhh......blah blah blah. Happiness does NOT require all the hype. sheeshhh....
@piersderoos6941
4 ай бұрын
They all love their lycra costumes.bike outside a coffee shop says it all.
@davidparker6112
8 ай бұрын
I have a Cube 2021 Nuroad C:62 SL. It's marketed as a gravel bike - but the frame looks a lot like other "tags". I absolutely love it. Some scoff at the single chainring being used on the road - I've never had a problem with it on my club rides. The 10-50T cassette has dropped a lot in price since I bought it and that "dinner plate" let's me tackle pretty much any climb I am faced with. On the high end it's usually me that chickens out before the capability of the gearset. The eTap AXS kit is just brilliant. I have the Schwalbe G-One R tyres - 40mm wide on this. I love them. We have some pretty terrible lanes around here in the Cotswolds and that tyre is defo needed a lot of times - plus it has surprisingly good rolling resistance. Only downside is price. Two recent club rides showed that big-time when we came across some very un-roadie friendly terrain. I love this bike - feel I can do anything I need to on the road - but can use it on tracks and gravel without any qualms.
@Handletaken4
8 ай бұрын
Get a steel bike, get your ear over the axis of steering (head tube) get your saddle and bars the same height. Enjoy riding in a safe straight line.
@bikeman9419
4 ай бұрын
Steel is the best ride.
@andrewhussey2002
5 ай бұрын
I have a Boardman Cx Team 2011 that I bought on eBay 11 years ago. I've used it for L'Etape du Tour several times, cycle touring with panniers, Paris Roubaix, Tour of Flanders, cyclocross, Mt Ventoux via the woods and round the Bugatti circuit for the Le Mans 24hr velo. Oh.... I also use it to go shopping. Does me just fine. 👍
@l.d.t.6327
8 ай бұрын
As you point out, the difference in geometry between the tcr and defy is small. It’s actually this small that the only significant changes are the stack, wheel base and tire clearance. You can easily make up stack and if you don’t need more than 32mm tire clearance, you would be hard pressed to notice the differences. BUT the defy has internal cable routing and is on average 1000 more expensive. So I chose the tcr, am riding 28mm and couldn’t be happier.
@AndrewHosking-sh9fo
8 ай бұрын
The all new Defy has slightly more aggressive geometry to the 2018 era one I have. Unfortunately, my 2018 doesn’t have the tyre clearance they have now….
@mireia3208
8 ай бұрын
Even gravel bikes are becoming stupidly racier nowadays, what a shame. They just don't work with my super long legs and quite average/short torso and arms. I ended up designing a Titanium bike that I would call an Endurance Gravel bike (super high stack of 600mm, short reach of 379mm with top tube of only 540mm, upright seatpost at 75 deg, relaxed steerer at 71.5 deg, clearance for 50mm tires). The bike I have dreamed for years. Hope I can build it over the next few weeks, and this time with an almost slammed headset ... Because the frame allows :)
@mikehhhhhhh
8 ай бұрын
I own a Tarmac SL7 and bought a Roubaix last year under the promise of more comfortable rides. The comfort was barely improved but the bike just felt so lazy. I didn’t enjoy it nearly as much. I think a race bike can be just as comfortable in an era of wider tyres and lower pressures, unless you’re offended by stem spacers or are a nervous descender.
@massimoazimonti7673
8 ай бұрын
Finally the right way! I'm proud to be une of the first one that had buy the first Trek Madone model back in 2012 ...also made in USA with life long warranty! It was very more comfortable than the madone and since than I had very good ride over many mithic roads across Alps and some gravel not programmed stuff all with great confidence. I'm very happy not to be alone!
@lexington476
8 ай бұрын
I like what you were saying there, my new Salsa Journeyer gravel bike could almost race a crit. Put a set of slick tires on it and 48 tooth chain ring on the front boom you're ready to go. Yes I did get this gravel bike with two in the front; I'm still a roadie 😎.
@MarkSheldon-c8s
21 күн бұрын
On the strength of this video I chose an endurance bike over the aero I had been considering. I do not regret that decision even slightly.
@WillPower46
8 ай бұрын
I have a Ribble Titanium Endurance bike, after having a Cannondale Super Six Evo the Ribble is such a blessing, so comfortable and nice to live with. There is no question however over a timed, uniformed course at the same power output the Cannondale was faster about the equivalent of 2 minutes over 40km. FYI
@biketrybe7071
8 ай бұрын
Agreed. I have five bikes including one endurance geo bike. 90% of my riding is on that bike.
@out_spocken
8 ай бұрын
90% of my riding is on my 'endurance' bike. But only because I don't want to wear out my nice race bike components for commutes. So it isn't that it's not as comfortable as I'm just as comfortable on both for all day rides, but that I consider it better so I don't want to use it for usual rides. Almost like a nice suit. Doesn't mean it's less comfortable...but wearing your going out suit to the office makes no sense. I've got $30 wiggle tyres on my endurance bike. I've got $80 ones on my race bike. To say, I don't think it's as black and white as endurances get used more because they are more comfortable. if money was no object I'd ride the race bike everywhere.
@ivarbrinkman2195
8 ай бұрын
I agree. 1 bike, 2 carbon wheelsets, a zero offset seat post and and compact flared bars. Comfy wherever.
@qwertyadfzxcv
8 ай бұрын
I own a gravel bike - and put different wheelsets on it. Endurance geo - a bit of aero here and there - but it's perfect!
@ArteUltra1195
8 ай бұрын
What bike do you ride?
@qwertyadfzxcv
8 ай бұрын
Pinarello Grevil@@ArteUltra1195
@holdencaulfied7492
6 ай бұрын
What bike?
@michab4083
2 ай бұрын
Totally agree!
@tomdebevoise
4 ай бұрын
100% Correct. I have been riding racing configurations for decades and almost annually ripped the rear derailleur off the frame sprinting up hills. I also break spokes every season due to the rough roads I ride on. In addition, I tend to jump the curb on the city streets around here. So, after a mechanical failure in a group ride, a Trec salesman sold me a Domaine, and I was delighted. I agree the ride is comfortable and I have fewer mechanical issues. I ride in the A/drop groups and have no issue staying in the pacelines and little peletons that develop. I see many guys/gals with race configurations with carbon fiber rims who clearly are not racers. They are (ahem) a bit tubby. These wheels' "Aero" benefits only kick in at about 20mph. Instead of spending several thousand dollars on fancy aero tires, they should get a personal trainer and try to drop that belly.
@grantwilliams2912
8 ай бұрын
Completely agree.. And it’s frustrating that some endurance bike are still getting a bit racy. For me, the Defy is now a touch to long and low. I went from F8 to Domane.. Okay, the Trek does n’t have zip the Pina has, but I tend to be quicker over all, as the Domane floats over the rough and is so easy to descend fast on. I look forward to multi days on the Trek, unlike the Dogma.. Unfortunately the pro peloton sells more bikes than a bike fit 🤷🏻♂️
@huntos83
8 ай бұрын
Endurance bikes are made to suit different types of riders, some like the latest Defy are tailored more towards the sporty rider who basically wants a race bike but with a bit more comfort for going fast over long distances. There are plenty of young fit riders now competing in ultra distance races for example, where a classic race bike isn’t quite ideal, but a sporty endurance bike is. Others like the Domane or Roubaix are more relaxed geometry that’s more suited to less flexible riders and those who ride at a more leisurely pace. There is plenty of space in the market for different types of endurance bike, not every one has to be really short reach and high stack.
@kirklangdon1591
5 ай бұрын
I just got a new Scott Addict 10 and it’s a total game changer, loving the endurance gearing and geometry. My other bike is a Giant Revolt 2 gravel bike and it’s great for those windy days when I want to hide from the wind in the trails. No aero bike here!
@mikewikstrom3416
8 ай бұрын
The only bike I’ve got with a slammed negative stem is a Giant Defy that never leaves my trainer now. That does look better than my TCR with spacers. Next time I need a road bike, it will probably be endurance geo, as long as it’s still a fast bike.
@philippeboisson6003
8 ай бұрын
I think that the recent bikes change the feeling on the road. The large tyre of 28 or 30 mm with low inflation (4 at 5.5 bars) make a general impression of feeling a smooth bike if you compare with the 23 mm type at 7 bars. The confort is now also on the race bike except some aero models. Because the last question is the drop who depend of flexibility, age, osteoarthritis, and off course duration of ride. I have 57 i run the Giant Defy 2020 (endurace bike) with the most low position of handelbar, 28 mm tyres and 1,5 kg wheels Mavic Ksyrium SL. When i'm good i run at 28km/h during 2 hours. I think that the limit is not my bike, but my 82 kg (1,73 m) and my âge. I think that the TCR (race bike) would'nt do me any good. I agree with bike radar. Thanks.
@Bukangamer
8 ай бұрын
thanks, I was thinking my RC520 lack in performance, your video made me realized, comfortable equals efficiency equals higher average speed for the most of us.
@WildernessMusic_GentleSerene
4 ай бұрын
Using trickle down racing bikes for recreational riding is and always has been ridiculous. I was a pro ultra-marathon cyclist using typical road racing bikes. Today as a recreational riding I rig hardtail mountain bikes with bar ends and aero-bars, use adjustable stems to find a compromise in height for the drastic change in positions. Comfort comes from 26x2 road tires at 60psi which are usually faster than racing 700c tires over the less than perfect roads I search for away from traffic. Finish the bike with SPD pedals a rear rack so I can carry rain and cold gear as well as tools, tubes and pump. Add some very strong heavy duty wheels and bottle cages. Then add my choice of gearing. These bikes are so inexpensive that I have 4 of them all set up slightly differently with different saddles handlebar widths and seat height. I also use different shorts from day to day. ALL this means I don't force the body into the same position for riding from bike to bike and from flat bar, to bar end, to aero-bar. Each bike when fully equipped costs $1000US. These bikes are built around the tires, important because I will only use Schwalbe Marathon Plus tires. I have heard people complain about these tires, but if you are using the 26x2 (which have a diameter almost the same as a 700cx25) even heavy riders have a full range of pressures. I am a bodybuilder today at 6 foot tall and 200pounds, and use 60psi. This bike also has a lock-out fork suspension that can be turned on when needed. The bikes is comfortable, long wheelbase, fast rolling and the strongest road bike in the world (after modifications). I live in the extremes of mountains where 4 mountain ranges meet with contrast from valley floor at 700 feet to 15,000 mountain top. So my gearing is 24-34-44 / 12-13-14-15-17-19-21-23 cassette. High gears for time trialing at 30mph and low gears for our 12 mile climbs at 10% grade. But this gearing is also perfect for cruising flats, there is always a perfect gear from one extreme to the other. DAMN those stupid 1X's, instead I have a full range with very tightly spaced ratio's. No hand stress with the aero position, and great control with flat bars from descents that last 20 minutes. Road bars, road bikes, thin weak tires, no space for rain/warm gear, I got rid of my last road bike last year, no need for that stupid bike anymore. Road, gravel, touring, sport,; doesn't matter what you call them they are all worthless to the rec rider who wants to do some long mileage in extremes of terrain or any terrain.
@Big_Island_Boi
6 ай бұрын
I currently own about 40 bikes... and have owned roughly 400 to 500 bikes in my life... most of them in the past 15 years... most of the carbon road bikes. I agree with most of this video but of course it depends on the rider (age, speed, power output) where they live (flat or hilly our mountainous) and what type of riding they mainly do (solo, group, road, gravel, touring, racing, gran fondo, centuries, etc). One reason I have so many bikes is that I have homes in 3 different states--all with completely different climates and topography--ranging from beach house in Hawaii to a city house in the Rockies... so I need a pretty wide range of bikes. I do fast group rides in the city--with sprint zones up to the mid to high 30 mph range--and solo canyon rides from 5000 up to 10000+ ft--with descents up to 45+ mph on twisty mountain roads. And of course mountain and gravel riding as well.. and some slower century rides through the countryside or along the ocean. So, yeah, I agree that the "average" non-professional rider--if having to choose just ONE bike--should probably choose something in the endurance / gravel capable orientation... but if you have the means and the garage space and you do a variety of different riding, a nice, fast racing bike never hurts--for the shorter, sprintier group training rides--and a nice, ultra-light (15 lbs or less) climbing bike with the right gear ratios (50t up front with 11-32 in the back) is a must have. One thing I would add to the video is that you don't need to go out and buy an expensive new bike. For $500-ish you can buy an AMAZING bike--Tour-de-France / pro-level bike--from 10 or 15 yrs ago--that is STILL WAY MORE BIKE than most of us need. I pick them up all the time... Trek Madone 6.9 w/ full Dura Ace... for $500... $600... $700-ish if you want nice carbon wheels. Or a smokin' hot S-Works Epic for under $1000... full carbon / full XTR / full suspension / under 24 pound rocket... etc. In America at least there are TONS of amazing used bikes for sale at GREAT prices. So... why not have a really sweet bike for all occasions?
@MrMars121
3 ай бұрын
You're right. I've owned all type of bikes in the recent years, all carbon with ultegra level builds. After riding for years and trying different bikes, I'm convinced that I need a modern endurance bike, nothing Else. Comfort and distance riding is key. The whole nimble handling and aggressive position is only for racing conditions, which few people do.
@mickhurley7305
8 ай бұрын
Really enjoyed that please post a video going over the endurance bike options out there
@judy39
Ай бұрын
GREAT presentation. Thank you!
@nathangant7636
8 ай бұрын
I have a bike custom-made based on the Soma Wolverine 4.0 frame design: RD Broski sliding dropouts, split in chainstay for belt drive upgrade, monster cross, off road touring, road and gravel riding. It fits all these categories. I guess it's also endurance, the frame is Ti.
@amramweismann6162
2 ай бұрын
When i got my ORRO Venturi STC i realized i had the perfect bike that was both comfortable on any ride and aero. After not using it for full 6 months I ended up selling my canyon endurance. I totally agree that for us mortals comfort is what we should prioritize if we can also have aero and a great looking bike as in my case then i think it's optimal.
@jazzfan7491
7 ай бұрын
I have owned two Domanes and recently bought a Giant Revolt gravel bike. Truth is, the more comfortable the bike is, the more you will ride it. I am 61 for reference.
@originalkontrol
4 ай бұрын
Well said. I personally ride a 2020 Giant Revolt Advanced 2. Over the years, it has been kitted out, and the only remaining stock part is the stem, lol. 650b Hunt Mason X Adventure Sport wheels for the dirty stuff, Zipp 303s for the tarmac. The only handicap road or gravel is me, lol.
@Simon-gk9ug
8 ай бұрын
Err didn't gravel bikes just start from enduro Road bike geo anyway??
@DavidHinton-vl7ti
6 ай бұрын
I'm in this camp, just from the gravel bike as an all road bike perspective. Where I live in Ontario, the nearest gravel road is about 1.5 km away and takes me on glorious rides along Lake Eries shoreline. I've done long road rides with almost slick tyres, but mostly have a set of Rene Herse Steilacoom 700Cx38 tyres on that I'm too lazy to switch out. My bike is steel and a decade old now, but there's no reason it couldn't last the rest of my life. (Don't misunderstand that comment, it may not be my only or my last bike.............). I do get to ride in the UK occasionally (challenging as SW Ontario doesn't have hills) and your roads are certainly no better than ours, the condition of which means that you have to concentrate so hard on the road bike, to avoid the potholes and construction defects that it detracts from the ride. And the benefit of losing a few grams from a bike would be far outweighed by losing a couple of kilos from me.
@johngannon1
8 ай бұрын
I got properly into cycling in lockdown. My hybrid commuter took me so far and then I had the long wait as road bikes were in short supply. The power of marketing is phenomenal. I ignored pure aero and tourers. After that I did my best to pick my way through the reviews and had a Boardman SLR 9.4 and a Vitus Vitesse lined up. The Vitus won as it was in stock (and I was seduced by the romance it was Sean Kelly’s brand). I’ve no idea how my reach and stack match up to an endurance geometry. I thought those two were pretty similar. I do know my bike is great fun and I’m happy.
@Timberius
4 ай бұрын
In your example of the Giant, the smaller large chaining (43) with even smaller sprocket(10) is a misguided way to weight-savings, not needed in this category. A 53x12 weighs only grams more, but a 11t or 12t starting sprocket is more efficient (the other sprockets will also be the next size up, so same gear range). It also makes for more durability where the deivetrain has longer wear. Durability here, and better efficiency as a free benefit, seem more important in this category. In case you're unaware, when you get to 11 and under, the sprocket is less round and starts to cost in efficiency, 11t having been chosen as the smallest for this reason, and has remained so for a very long time. This "compact" setup is a fad, thanks to ignorance and marketing.
@coreyallert1482
8 ай бұрын
If endurance bikes at the mid to top end had more in line with the race bikes you’d see more adoption. Dogma X or Canyon Endurace Aero hit that mark
@archaopteryx2656
8 ай бұрын
When I returned to road bikes, after a 20 year gap, I didn't know a great deal about them, but, with a preference for long (100 mile plus) rides, I knew I wanted two things. - good puncture resistance, and comfort. The first was taken care of by trial and error tyre selection, and now I get a puncture maybe once every 25,000 miles. Looking into the second priority, besides opting for wider tyres, I discovered that endurance bikes are designed for the long rides I favour, eventually settling on a Specialized Secteur, and, later, a Roubaix. Over the years since I've sometimes wondered if a race bike might not after all have been a better choice, and been tempted to buy one, a thought I've always managed to resist. So it's good to see my original instinct confirmed here I'm less enamoured by the move towards larger cassettes. Living in flat East Anglia, I still find a 25-11 is fine on all my bikes, paired with either 50/34, or, in the case of the Secteur, a 50/39/30 triple (triple cranksets have gone out of fashion since). There are hills here - up to 20% here and there, but they're all short sharp climbs, and I find I can get up any of them easily with those combinations. In fact rarely even need the 30 ring on the Secteur.
@PRH123
8 ай бұрын
25k miles is how often time-wise…? Just curious….
@archaopteryx2656
8 ай бұрын
About once every two years or so.@@PRH123
@lencheeseman2750
7 ай бұрын
Although I’m not cycling much now due to health reasons I have loved my only drop bar leisure road bike, an All City Mr Pink, 48/34 Sugino, SRAM Force gearing, 30mm Strada tyres… it does exactly what you are advocating and I had that set up a decade ago for the rough old roads here in rural New Zealand. Plenty of oldies like me out there on carbon bikes and skinny tyres, they need watch this video.
@janneboman8573
3 ай бұрын
Sloaping top tube is the best thing ever. You can get the cockpit higher, but don't have to look at a spacer stack :D I only have something like 10mm of spacers under the stem and I can ride on the drops for ages. In fact, I have all positions in full use and alternate between them all the time.
@tonypowers123
8 ай бұрын
Incredible! Great post/video, w proven facts and thorough explanation. And I’ll share (briefly) my own experience. I “accidentally” bought an endurance bike- (not knowing) “exactly” what I was specifically buying. But having read the specs, and test ride the bike- and….Aaaaand logically “buying into” the style it self-I went: well, I want longer comfortable rides, Endurance bike is what I want. Right of the bat- the bike/frame-felt incredible. It was like-as if I was flying, on a flat road, not a descend. I wanted to test a true race bike-for comparison, honestly-not even close. The best choice I’ve made. And this post proves it!
@MorpheousLA
3 ай бұрын
A +17 degrees 90mm stem on my Emonda made the bike more comfortable than my Giant Defy with a +6 degrees 80mm stem on it. Both have uncut steer tubes. Emonda has a smaller setback on the seat mast at 10mm. The defy D Fuse seat post is 14mm setback.
@silverburn55
8 ай бұрын
Completely happy with my SL7; its the perfect Sportif bike. I have a gravel, Fat, mtb, zwift and trainer SL7 for everything else. The switch to 28mm tubeless and low psi is the key.
@ketle369
8 ай бұрын
Canyon Endurace 2018 model with disc and a 12mm stem. 52/36 and 11/32. Its geometry is basically identical to the Ultimate and it’s a race bike with 30 mm tire clearance. I’ve also ridden light gravel with it on 25 mm tires with no problems.
@ArneHulstein
8 ай бұрын
I agree on the fact that comfort makes most of us faster. However, after riding a year of races on a Canyon Endurace I switched to a gravel bike with similar geometry and I love it. I do retain the comfort, but I also have two wheelsets that allow me to fit 28mm tires for a gran fondo, or swap in my 38mm’s to take a good amount of offroad. Best balance in my book.
@yislam786ify
2 ай бұрын
100% agree. The only thing is on my defy I changed the 11-34 cassette to a 11-30 because on the 11 speed the 11 13 15 jump in ratios on the top end drove me crazy. On the new 12 speeds it's not an issue. Run a compact 50/34 crank
@freakybuzz
4 ай бұрын
People have to be brutally honest with themselves about the type of riding they will do. Last year I bought an all-road hike with an enormous 1100mm wheelbase and forgiving geometry. Best decision ever. Plenty of comfort and all the speed I need.
@micbanand
7 ай бұрын
I got a carbon size m/l Giant Propel adv 2 from 2017. 25mm tyre Rim brake and an aluminium size Medium Giant Defy from 2016. 28mm tyre mechanical. disk brake both with. 105 5700 groupset. Love it! No need for ultra or ace. a Plus: no splitting problem on the crank arm :) and a old cheap full aluminium size 57 with Claris. 28mm tyre. rim brake Continental Grand prix 4/5000 is my favorit "(great geargroup) but I miss the exstra gears. Best day to day for me is 50/34-12/25 here in the windy flat area" this feels a bit bigger, than the m/l and was a touch to big for me. I am 181cm tall. The biggest comfort is NO daught carbon fork. It Makes a Huge difference! never going to buy a bike without it again. But I gues time have done that for us :):)
@waklerma
8 ай бұрын
I have ridden a Specialized Secteur for more than 10 years and updated to a Rose Pro SL. Both endurance „entry level“ bikes with 105 gearing and relaxed geometry. I can still ride plenty fast if I want to and achieved decent fitness, which is more than enough for me as a dad of 3 with limited riding time available.
@ezr168
6 ай бұрын
I don't mind some road miles but getting onto dirt and quiet open spaces is where the magic happens
@seattlegrrlie
4 ай бұрын
I switched from an endurance bike to a Cervelo R5. I've never been more comfortable or happy on a bike. I don't feel cramped in the handlebars and can stretch out on the downhill.
@out_spocken
8 ай бұрын
Have the same year TCR and DEFY and honestly...couldn't tell the difference between them on 300km+ rides. So there goes the whole comfort thing. I'm not enough of a rider to push the TCR to where it'd probably need to be to see the difference in speed/feel re crit racing though. But marketing is marketing and everyone is everyone.
@Adiambrozi
13 күн бұрын
Defo endurance bike for us non-professionals. I own and ride a synapse, which is great (did a 640km endurance race on it and it was fine), however most manufacturers make the frames waaaaaay too big. My own synapse is the perfect example, I am 166 cc tall, riding a small frame (52cm) which is too big for me, had to change to a 90 stem, compromising the handling. GIANT Defy is the same, the smallest bike is too big for smaller riders. Pinarello (waaaay too expensive) and Canyon are the only ones offer actually small frames, 46 - 48 cm, so possible best options for spending money wisely
@nycyclist4154
8 ай бұрын
I agree. An endurance bike is light of enough to race and do some gravel riding by placing wider tires. But not extreme gravel riding which is ok.
@jackdaniels2127
4 ай бұрын
This is the ‘me’ era where it’s critical to look like a pro for daily ride. If it makes you happy, do it.
@holdencaulfied7492
6 ай бұрын
100% agree about the gears. It makes no sense, the gears that come on all road bikes. Normal people should have below 1:1 ratio. I meant to get a 32-48 chainring and ended up with 30-46 (32 cog on the rear) and I never spin out on the flats. Unless you ride in a peloton at 30 mph (99% of riders don't) then your gears are too big.
@chebokli
15 күн бұрын
I fully agree with what was said. But I don't understand why Canyon Endurace was not even mentioned, being the only true endurance bike by geometry. Everything else is more on the race end than endurance end of the spectrum. But who cares. We need more bikes.
@princeandrew5430
8 ай бұрын
A video perfect for hubbards... presented by the king of the hubbards himself!
@fredherzberger4677
8 ай бұрын
I totally agree with you. I'm running a subcompact crank with an 11-36 cassette & 32mm tires. While on my adventure- turning bike because of the weight of cargo, I'm happy to have disk brakes on my everyday bike I like rim brakes.
@dan2304
8 ай бұрын
The biggest impact on performance is ergonomic comfort. I don't know any bike with this discription. I had a Giant defy advanced, sold it and go a steel frame with long wheel base touring geometry, improved my time over 50 km by minutes with so much more comfort.
@chrisscott8362
6 ай бұрын
I just bought a Giant Defy Adv 0. Thank you.
@richardzhao2018
2 ай бұрын
Endurance bike like Defy still come with 105 crank with 50/34 and cannot smailer, also come with 32c tyre. But gravel bike's Grx 48/31 crank and 35+ tyre make it more comfortable. Also functionality and resale are better than endurance I think. Geo should be similar cause they all have longer wheel base comparing to road bike.
@javiersantiago7642
8 ай бұрын
Can't beat endurance bikes.. extreme comfort and if you are fit, you can lead the pact on weekends....
@augustojimenez6042
7 ай бұрын
I just.DONT KNOW..AEROAD BIKES had no Appeal for me
@smthnew861
3 ай бұрын
My ex's father changed my beach bike to a random mtb/road bike( it has suspention, thin tires) he had lying around his bike shop. It's been 10 years, and it's my main source of transportation, yes, even for cargo. Had to make a few changes and mods and it rides like a dream. 20-28 km/h on average is a great result for me 😊 i do think i have to change the suspention soon. The pipe is getting rusty😢
@smokeycanuck8058
3 ай бұрын
Preach my man. Your points are spot on.
@sherab2078
7 ай бұрын
I think endurance bikes are the way to go for most of us. Still, I think many if not most of gravel bikes fall pretty close. After all, they are not that different. They usually have a little wider handlebars for better control when riding off-road and gear range shifted towards this application either. And of course, wider tire clearance. All this will make us slightly slower on the tarmac, but I would argue the increased versatility is well worth consideration.
@KoenMiseur
8 ай бұрын
While I agree I still bought an Aethos, those endurance bikes are just heavier and just don't look as good, they should make an Aethos with a bigger headtube and those will sell like cake.
@rolffuchs2737
7 ай бұрын
I bought an Trek Checkpoint ALR5 as an Endurance bike. It is more versatile as an Endurance bike but feels really good on the road and it`s not to heavy (with upgrades about 8.7kg).
@TomDeLombaerde
8 ай бұрын
Couldn't zgree more. What did I end up buying? A fulltime on aero bike with deep section carbon wheels.....and....a gravel bike on the side. Doublet the money While the best option is in your comments. I would now choose a gravel bike with two wheelsets. Probably a Scott Addict or a Merida scultura endurance
@adambailey4516
3 ай бұрын
Great video. Thanks for the deep dive into the endurance bikes. Love the head v heart comparison. Cheers!
@davidh7414
Ай бұрын
Just saw this old video. and the expected comments for and against this type of bike. I think the presenter makes fair points that the general versatility of these bikes make them suitable, and ideally the default choice for a majority of general riders much of the time. Sure, if you prioritise racing or in an A-level weekend group you want something more speed/aero/weight focused, that's totally fine.
@misterreventlov
7 ай бұрын
Totally agree! Waiting now for my LBS to finish assembling my new Roubaix!
@bikeradar
7 ай бұрын
Hopefully you'll be able to ride it soon!!
@aligooya8514
8 ай бұрын
I use a Giant Revolt gravel bike for commuting; particularly good in winter. But sometimes I think it is overkill in terms of comfort, and I might consider swapping it for a Defy.
@AndrewHosking-sh9fo
8 ай бұрын
I am happy with my Defy. I considered a Revolt, mainly as an out and out winter hack, but the entry level model I wanted only had mech disc brakes and Sora, so gave it a miss and I let my Defy do the winter (and most summer) miles, as I no longer enjoy riding my TCR like I did years ago.
@Windband1
8 ай бұрын
I'm a solid middle age rider and riding aggressive low stack height bikes are brutal on my neck! No thanks.
@tomnanD3
5 ай бұрын
FINALLY! Someone who understands the difference between a 25 year old TDF pro, and.....ME!
@ArteUltra1195
8 ай бұрын
Coming from a (slightly oversized) 2014 Canyon Ultimate, I found myself shortening and elevating my stem so I can ride comfortably and without neck pain. It was obvious that the next bike will be an endurance bike, but I have to say that the geometry of modern endurance bikes seems to be as aggressive as the 2014 Ultimate. Take the Vitus Venon for example, Size L (Reach 396mm Stack 576mm) is MORE aggressive that a Size 58 Ultimate (Reach 395mm Stack 579mm), a size M Venon has a stack of 550mm, which is ridiculously low honestly. People told me I can fit Size M with my height of 183cm, but that stack is just too much. How do people ride those things slammed?
@DaveCM
8 ай бұрын
The difference is 1mm reach and less than one 5mm spacer in stack. Not really a difference. You then have to compare the stem length that comes with them. Just curious, have you had a professional bike fit? My brother is 63 and has the same issues you are having. They worked with him to get comfortable. Oh, also don't forget handlebars can make a difference. Some increase the reach more than others. Even groupset can make a couple of millimeter differences.
@ArteUltra1195
8 ай бұрын
@@DaveCMI’m comparing a full-on race bike that was ridden in the TdF 10 years ago to a modern endurance/gravelbike and the endurance bike seems to be the same geometry, if not more aggressive, thats the thing I find confusing.. I never had a bikefit, and I got the size large ultimate because it was a used bike deal that was too good to pass honestly. Size medium Venon would be better in terms of reach, but it is just too low and in many cases lower than an aero road bike. Guess I’ll look for a gravel bike, but these fu*kers start making them ridiculously long and stretched out aswell
@ketle369
8 ай бұрын
There’s a video on KZitem comparing geometry of Ultimate to Endurance and the difference is very small. Giant Defy and Cannondale Synapse are more relaxed. I had a Synapse and switched to Endurace because I thought the Synapse was a bit too sluggish.
@stevenfeffer2391
8 ай бұрын
Compact handlebars and zero offset seatposts are the way and bike brands are finally catching on. My gen 6 Madone came standard: 25mm setback seatpost and almost 100mm reach bars vs the new gen 7 with 0mm offset and 80mm reach bars. That's almost 4cm shorter for the same size bike.
@erlendsteren9466
6 ай бұрын
Endurancebikes are versatile, but the same goes for gravelbikes, although the gravelbikes are a bit heavier they are good enough for high speed on tarmac if you dont compete in races. I have a set up for this summer on my 30mm supension gravelbike with 11-34 cassette and 30- 46 frontcogs. Those gears are good for me both on the heavy fast side and on the light climbing side. Got 38mm tyres, which will be fast enough on tarmac,and I guess it will be soft enough on gravel, because I have suspension. This bike will not accelerate as fast as a good endurancebike, it is close to do it all bike, but not best at everything. I An endurancebike will probably make me more tired in the neck and hands on the gravel. I think endurancebikes are tarmacbikes than i decent on gravel, while the gravelbikes are gravelbikes that is decent on tarmac. Because I go on mixed surface, the gravelbike is my most used bike.
@backnunAndy
6 ай бұрын
totally agree with you if you know what you want. so purchase low priced bike or used bike before you getting know what size and what your body is react with bike. Bike that fit you is better than any kind of bike our there. Once you felt unbearable pain during your riding, you will regret when you start cycling.
@scottwatson7844
8 ай бұрын
I’ve owned loads of race bikes over the years but the endurance bike I ride now is just so much more comfortable to me and can ride so much further than I ever could before. Plus with the higher head tube I can run it slammed for that race bike look.
@marcdaniels9079
8 ай бұрын
Somewhat of a contradiction in terms but I get you 😅
@smaxfpv1337
8 ай бұрын
I Ride a current gen Orca Aero as my everyday commuter bike (2hrs per day) with a fully slammed stem, but on 32C rear and 28C front. Not only do i find it super comfortable, I also smile every day I look at it. Oh, and it’s properly fast. I’m happy and felt always weird on when I tried endurance bikes. Not my cup of tea.
@D1N02
5 ай бұрын
I think it is just a spectrum. Some endurance bikes are almost road like, some road bikes are almost endurance. On the other end some endurance bikes might as well be gravel. Just fit different tires. When I buy a new bike the first thing I do is swap tyres and rear gearing. Where I live it's flat, so i want 1 tooth steps. I very rarely use more than 3 gears on a ride, all 1 tooth apart. Gaps annoy me.
@Muppetkeeper
4 ай бұрын
I was looking for a replacement for my Roubaix SL4, when I compared it's geometry to most other brands, even their "endurance bikes" had stacks 4cm lower and reach 3cm longer. The closest I could find was the Ribble CGR, which comes with gravel tyres!
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