The fact that the viewer even sent that in is worrying, hopefully this will help them see the errors of their ways.On a side note I have noticed that drivers who tend to shout and scream about other road users are the ones who make the most errors. Gread video as always and fingers crossed this will reach someone who needs it.
@smilerbob
9 ай бұрын
You see it quite a lot on other dash cam compilations where the noisiest are the ones that contributed the most in the situation, usually by accelerating towards the danger and braking late and hard to “prove a point of inconvenience” 🤦♂️
@C-RENITY
9 ай бұрын
Blows my mind that a "viewer" of Ashley can act like that. If they took any of his content in theres no way they would drive like that, surely
@JeffJefferyUK
9 ай бұрын
@@C-RENITYmaybe he's new. 🤷
@bexxy629
9 ай бұрын
@@smilerbob I think reflecting on the why a conversation I had with my dad last night kind of showed a but of insight. My Dad has driven through most of the UK and lots of Europe, he is a experienced driver, he still gets road rage, he'll sit there and speed up and shout at other drivers, I said to him why don't you relax and just make it a none event like Ashley says. He replies "because I hate bullies, I hate people who try to push out and try to intimidate me", what that shows to me is that it's a certain mindset, that they see there car as a extension of themselves, that any slight on the road is seen as a slight against them. I think that's why they shout and scream and drive so aggressively because they see that the other driver has slighted them and see that as a slight of themselves. Instead they need to slip out of monkey brain, the most primal part and see what effect their action is and realise that rarely is a slight a deliberate attack but that by you reacting in a aggressive manner you are making the situation worse and finally that the car is not a extension of you it's a box with wheels, a pice of machinery that you operate completely with a neutral mindsight focusing on creating a safe environment for everyone, I wouldn't operate a chainsaw angry so why would I do so in a car?
@DavidBhoy1967
9 ай бұрын
100%. Good drivers will de-escalate any situation.
@garethnet
9 ай бұрын
As the person in the first video. I sent this in so Ashley can use this as a learning tool, already realised my mistake and won’t be doing that again.
@ashley_neal
9 ай бұрын
Thanks for sending in! It's helped get this important message out to many people.👊
@shm5547
9 ай бұрын
Wellingborough. I know that junction well and I think you were expecting that vehicle to stay on the dual-carriageway down to Tescos, because that's what the vast majority of traffic will do there. It's not clear where the Mercedes came from, but if it was the exit from the A45, then the road markings there might have caused some confusion. It's marked for both lanes to go ahead, which I think is meaning the A509 down past Tescos. However, that turn is just past the 12 o'clock and seems more like a right turn. So, the Mercedes driver might have thought lane 2 could be used to head up the road you took, past KFC.
@smilerbob
9 ай бұрын
Learning from our mistakes is all part of the process 👍 Thank you for sharing with us all
@rainchains5306
9 ай бұрын
Yes, I was nearly taken out on a big roundabout because of this, I was doing it absolutely perfectly liking this video, taking a right turn, and then sliding over to the left to come off at my exes, indicators on and everything, and this car comes out onto the roundabout, nearly crashed into me, and I can see them in the car gesticulating and screaming, as if the problem was me!
@shm5547
9 ай бұрын
@@rainchains5306 If you watch KZitem dashcam channels (guilty!), multilane and mini roundabouts seem to feature heavily. I really think the Highway Code needs a bit of an update to clarify a few bits surrounding roundabout etiquette, as there seems to be a lot of confusion on a number of issues, such as: - pedestrians crossing entries/exits - lane discipline when turning right (the issue you describe) - overtaking - extent of priority to the right - lane discipline going ahead (particularly where two lanes merge back into one)
@mhadle1992
9 ай бұрын
I’m actually so glad you’ve covered this! I always feel bad waiting for both lanes to be clear because I sometimes get pressure from behind to just go when there’s a space. But it makes total sense that a car turning right would slide into the outside lane to exit Cus that’s what we’re taught to do in our lessons!
@nitroneal4998
9 ай бұрын
I feel the same, especially on very busy roundabouts where you feel like you’re never going to get out
@smilerbob
9 ай бұрын
It is a well known feeling that one and is why sports people will use a delaying tactic in high pressure situations, like a penalty kick in football (or soccer for our American friends). The waiting builds anxiety and pressure to the point we rush and make a mistake. Best thing I can recommend is ignore any pressure from behind and if needed, take a deep breath in and slow release out. It will calm the heart rate and reduce the anxiety/ pressure 👍 Take care out there everyone, ‘tis a mad world sometimes
@ronrolfsen3977
9 ай бұрын
That is exactly the reason I love the Turbo roundabouts. A lot more clearer where people are going. People tend to drive slower on them (despite the name). You can go from the inner lane to the exit. However this is purposely designed. You do not "merge" while doing that as it is a dedicated lane. Traffic going left would also have it own outer lane for going left. The merging is done after the exit if it is not a dual lane road.
@wrightwoodwork
9 ай бұрын
@@nitroneal4998 relax you will get out. A gap always comes that you can take
@AstronomyWales
9 ай бұрын
These days I don't rush on roundabouts for anyone. With people using wrong lanes and just not indicating, I'll wait until things are unquestionably clear before I go.
@supershikoku
9 ай бұрын
My driving teacher actually pressured me to emerge in situations where there were vehicles in lane 2 and it wasn't clear exactly where they were going. He kept saying "there's nobody coming" when that clearly wasn't true. Took me a while to learn that the reason I was scared of roundabouts was that he was constantly telling me to do them incorrectly and unsafely.
@loc4725
9 ай бұрын
@@HarryBarryGaryDoes seem a popular tactic these days. 😕
@Trinity2k7
9 ай бұрын
Back when I was first learning, I ended up stopping driving lessons for 2 full years because of an instructor like that. She was yelling and shouting at me to go and that I was "being stupid", I was already stressed enough of encountering my first BIG roundabout with faster moving traffic. I held it together during the rest of the lesson, but the moment I got home I broke down crying and sobbing so much, I didn't want to drive again!! I was encouraged for a long while to try again by family, and thankfully found myself with a lovely bloke who had barely any qualms with my driving, he looked forward to my lessons as he didn't feel as if he was on pins gripping his seat with me compared to other learners he had haha. He helped me conquer my fear of roundabouts caused by the previous instructor, and worked up from lesser traffic area roundabouts, then gradually to the more high traffic area roundabouts, which really helped my confidence with using them.
@christopherdooley9324
9 ай бұрын
I do that to.
@tibaro1234567
3 ай бұрын
u funny though. Well done@@Trinity2k7
@derekheeps1244
2 ай бұрын
he was correct .
@CustomiZe_
9 ай бұрын
Got honked at last week because I was giving way to both lanes. Glad you're sharing the message 😊
@video99couk
9 ай бұрын
Yes that's happened to me too. I drive a classic car (1972 Hillman Avenger) which is perfectly capable of keeping up with modern traffic, but some drivers seem to have even less patience with a classic car than a modern one, and will beep horns at me just for driving safely.
@dav_poy
9 ай бұрын
Love it when a viewer thinks that Ashley is going to take their side... and then he schools them on what they did wrong
@lawrenceholden5716
9 ай бұрын
Patience is a big factor, if someone pulls out or does something not quite right, they may be in a strange place to them, just give room and let it go, we all make mistakes no matter how careful we try to be.
@mickman0073
9 ай бұрын
My biggest issue with roundabouts is people that don't indicate their intentions or indicate too late or too early, so I usually mind read other drivers intentions and don't take chances, even if it means I have to hesitate entering a roundabout😂
@ianbeale2527
Ай бұрын
Yes, not signalling left to exit, making you think they're carrying on round because they have their right indicator flashing.
@davidhowe6905
9 ай бұрын
There's a three lane roundabout near me where I often make a detour so that I take the 1st exit, instead of going across. People driving fast on roundabouts can also create problems like this, even if the lanes were clear when you entered.
@LeeLou1420
9 ай бұрын
This is a massive issue where I live, the amount of times I get beeped at or verbally abused because I'm not merging onto a roundabout when both lanes aren't free has just become normal to me 🙄 and the speed people take upto them is crazy! people really need educating
@DavidBhoy1967
9 ай бұрын
It’s mental that people think you can emerge in situations like this but absolutely nothing surprises me now.
@grahvis
9 ай бұрын
I would have thought the golden rule on any roundabout was never to assume other drivers were going to do what they might appear to be going to do, and act accordingly.
@engineeredlifeform
9 ай бұрын
Indeed, section 185 says: "watch out for all other road users already on the roundabout; be aware they may not be signalling correctly or at all". So we should never encroach, overtake, undertake, or ideally, even be alongside other vehicles when we're on a roundabout.
@rosa__lux692
8 ай бұрын
Pretty funny that in the UK our whole road system is a bit predicated on a bunch of people not doing what they're supposed to and everyone else having to account for it
@Gerishnakov
4 ай бұрын
@@rosa__lux692I think most of the country, let alone the roads, works on that basis.
@derekheeps1244
2 ай бұрын
When leaving a roundabout , if you circulated in the right lane , you must exit in the right lane , THEN return to the left when safe to do so .
@tonypowell2165
9 ай бұрын
The roundabout under the A34 between Abingdon and Marcham is one you have to be really observant emerging as those come round the roundabout can build up quite a bit of speed coming under the A34 so it ends up far from clear if they are inside/outside of the roundabout and where they are heading! Another roundabout topic that could be worthy of your attention Ashley is roundabouts with spiral lane markings - at many (such as A34/M4) there are lots of drivers who either don't notice the spiral or try to ignore it to realign their lane by the next segment/lights.
@gavlptvbk8665
9 ай бұрын
Like this video, really informative. Biggest issue on roundabouts I see is when there are multiple lanes all going to one exit but then drivers sweep across into lane 1 from lane 2 before exiting causing the traffic in lane 1 to brake to avoid a collision.
@TheRip72
9 ай бұрын
That didn't really get a strong enough mention. Ashley did say, he observes, signals then slides left, but too many skip the observation though laziness or complacency then just signal & slide left through habit. Being prepared to stay in the right lane when exiting creates a little more time, allowing both for those who observe poorly & also those who expect you to be flexible. But in the other position, if you don't pull out, you won't fall foul of somebody else's bad habit.
@tqminnz1405
9 ай бұрын
In NZ, when going straight ahead or turning right at a roundabout the Road Code requires you to exit in the same lane you entered in. Do not 'sweep across' but remain in lane 2 on the exit. Then move left when safe to do so.
@derekheeps1244
2 ай бұрын
that is exactly why you must exit in the lane you circulated in .
@larry365
9 ай бұрын
I don't always wait for both lanes to be clear but a lot has to line up to pull it off. I definitely don't do it out of some sort of (wrong) principle like in your first clip. There are definitely times its safe to do it.
@wrightwoodwork
9 ай бұрын
Yeah reading what people are doing around you
@jimdunleavypiano
9 ай бұрын
Agree. If you're turning left and the vehicle coming from your (edited) right is clearly going further round the roundabout I will cautiously pull out. Don't rely on a right turn signal though - people often forget to cancel them when they need to exit the roundabout. Road positioning and speed are a better guide. It's still best to wait though, unless it's absolutely clear what they're doing.
@marcussmith6523
9 ай бұрын
Like everything it depends on the situation, I look for all the clues and make a safe decision while making safe good progress.
@paulsengupta971
9 ай бұрын
There's a sort of car positioning body language you can use which says, "I'm going to stick to lane 2 to let you keep going in lane 1 without having to stop." It sort of contradicts this video but it can work if everyone knows what's happening.
@wrightwoodwork
9 ай бұрын
@paulsengupta971 with experience that's what we all use, looking for tell tale signs what people will do and not really rely on signals. Yes you give way to the right, you still have to be aware of who might potentially enter in front of you and adjust by either backing off or sticking to the appropriate lane to allow them to merge safely
@defragsbin
9 ай бұрын
I always found roundabouts stressful when I was learning, and it took me ages to figure out why. This video is a big part of it -- it's part of the 'de facto' / 'de jure' rules of driving, and a lot of people get it wrong. This would've been a very useful lesson at the time, as it helps correct our own errors and understand other people's intentions. So many accidents on roundabouts come down to a handful of things: 1. People assuming they can go side-by-side at all times, not waiting (main bit in this video) 2. People overtaking 3. People switching lanes erratically / panicking / not knowing what to do in certain situations If drivers are cautious, wait for all lanes to be clear before emerging and do not overtake, it gives everyone else a lot more space to correct errors.
@kyal
9 ай бұрын
3:03 here in Australia you can’t do this. If you are in the right-hand lane, you must exit onto the right-hand lane (even if there is a left turn immediately after). I was told many times by my driving instructor to turn left when cars are on the roundabout in the right hand lane. In Australia, every two-lane roundabout has two lanes exiting for this very reason, and often the 2 lanes will immediately merge into one, but there will never be just 1 lane exiting a 2-lane roundabout.
@EvoBeard
9 ай бұрын
I think there's an issue here which I mentioned above, I personally think the instructor here is incorrect as much as his tutelage has helped me and I respect and appreciate the content he puts out. There's no need for a 2nd lane on the exit if it's not going to be used, lane discipline is a thing here in the UK (which isn't used widely but taught lol) and I think everyone is bonkers for essentially ending up in an incorrect lane on the exit. That's why the problems in this video exist, but they aren't promoting correct use.
@brianocampo7981
9 ай бұрын
This isn't quite correct for Australia either, and there are many counterexamples in many states where you need to change lanes to take an exit. The many state laws do all suggest that you can change lanes in a roundabout - especially rule 117 in the versions of the Australian Road Rules (or rule 98 in the Road Traffic Code 2000 in Western Australia).
@brianocampo7981
9 ай бұрын
@@EvoBeard I think there are two main reasons for teaching people to exit in the left-hand lane early: - to discourage undertaking. Impatient drivers will find any opportunity to overtake slower drivers and will even do so even when these drivers are trying to move back into the normal driving position. Drivers are therefore taught to move in early before other drivers are tempted to undertake. - to reduce the chance of gridlock in the roundabout. A good number of roundabouts are next to zebra crossings, crossings with signals and junctions with traffic lights. Stopped traffic has a lesser chance of locking up the roundabout if it is positioned on the outside, as opposed to inside.
@leonhaze8916
9 ай бұрын
As it should be. typical, uk with its backwards thinking.
@Bazroshan
9 ай бұрын
Thes seems strange to me. Are we to infer that it is not permitted to change lanes while on a roundabout?
@stevehunter8473
9 ай бұрын
In the first clip I think I would lay all the blame on the Audi. Their sole goal was to get around the roundabout as quickly as possible with little regard for safety, it is a road junction after all where we should all be proceeding with caution. At the point the Red Corsa started to pull away the Audi was a long way off, not indicating, and had loads of time to react. Had they been travelling a bit slower there would not have been an incident. PS. Just ordered the replacement for my Golf, it's going for similar reasons to yours :)
@88balloonsonthewall70
9 ай бұрын
The Audi was treating the roundabout like its personal racing circuit.
@TheFatNumpty
9 ай бұрын
@@88balloonsonthewall70 most Audi drivers do
@Dr3Mc3Ninja
9 ай бұрын
Not saying it was justice that they crashed and rolled onto their side... but it's not-not justice.
@mixerfistit5522
9 ай бұрын
100% agree with you, that audi driver seemed to be deliberately bullying his way in to the exit to make a point that he had right of way, had plenty of opportunity to avoid the incident and as you say was going too fast anyway. Should be done for reckless driving, no place for them on the road while they have that ego. Bit of a stretch but I wonder if they did a test for cocaine and what the result was.. Edit Also, insurance would find the Audi driver completely at fault here and if police turned up (and probably would due to the roll/obstruction/injury) a driving without due care and attention charge is realistic. The long and short of it is that the Corsa was on the roundabout for several seconds before the collision and therefore the Audi has no defence. If he wasn't high on coke, I'd bet he was one of those mad dashcam drivers that like to engineer an incident.
@defragsbin
9 ай бұрын
I have to agree that most of the blame was the Audi's to bear. 1. Going way too fast 2. Doesn't react to the other car at all The red Corsa perhaps could've waited a bit longer, but the Audi driver was going too fast. If you freeze the video at ~3:46, I don't think the Corsa driver can see the Audi -- it probably looks clear. If the Audi is going even a little slower, it's a non-issue. The Audi driver literally had 5 seconds to observe the Corsa and adjust their speed and/or change into the left lane. Ultimately, if the Audi had been going slower I don't think this would've happened. *edit - as another commenter has pointed out, it's likely that the Audi assumes the Corsa is exiting at the first junction in the left lane, but it's actually continuing around to the next exit, so that does add another bit of nuance. However, the speed and the arrogance of the Audi driver is the issue here -- they just assume the world will re-arrange itself to allow a safe exit.
@giraffecat
9 ай бұрын
Thank you for this. I've only watched the intro so far, but you have called me out. I would pull on to that roundabout to turn left if someone was already on the inside of the roundabout indicating right. I've never seen it as an issue when people do it to me. I'll continue with the video now to learn why I shouldn't be doing it.
@derekheeps1244
2 ай бұрын
that is why the roundabouts have multiple lanes and so do the exits - it is so that more traffic can flow without conflict .
@Citinited
9 ай бұрын
Impatience must surely be a big factor in the decision to go. Both from the driver themselves, as well as the pressure from behind
@smilerbob
9 ай бұрын
Nice video there Ashley and one thing I notice on some roundabouts, especially when they are on dual carriageways with minor single lane roads on the side exits, is that drivers wrongly assume you are taking the dual carriageway and don’t wait. There is one I use regularly where I am turning right, if I signal too early drivers think I am taking the exit into lane 2, if I signal at the correct time, drivers emerge into lane 1 as I al in lane 2. The solution… Drive around the roundabout as I drive around all roundabouts, cautiously and watching those on and looking to emerge and if necessary slow down for those that do emerge in error. It worries me greatly that people are in such a rush to reach the next red light 5 seconds earlier than they would by waiting that they are willing to risk injury to do it. Remember, there is no harm in going around again if needed and the brake pedal is better on a roundabout than the horn or shouting
@richardharvey1732
9 ай бұрын
Hi Ashley, many decades ago, not long after I had started driving cars and vans those vehicles were very slow off the mark compared to the powerful motorbikes I was familiar with, roundabouts were particularly difficult. I quite quickly learned that sensible observation of the traffic from the right on the approach could enable sensible adjustment of my speed to aim for a gap in the traffic and not actually have to stop, this meant that the size of space needed was far less than from stationary. The same also applies when joining carriageways from the slip road, observation and adjustment is essential!. There was a time many years ago that I was saying that actually stopping at a roundabout should incur an automatic fine!, such a waste time and energy!. This strategy is entirely dependent on accurate and reliable judgement and adjustment of speed and requires significant levels of spacial awareness, above all takes time and experience, another example of how education is so much more valuable than blanket application of simplistic rules. Cheers, Richard.
@gregg.d
9 ай бұрын
Roundabouts - planning to stop but looking to go.
@richardharvey1732
9 ай бұрын
@@gregg.d Hi Gregg D, Perfect!. Cheers, Richard.
@paulsengupta971
9 ай бұрын
There's a roundabout which I use fairly often that has north south traffic on one main road and east west on another. Mostly vehicles are going straight on from any direction rather than turning onto the other road. Sight lines are good, and generally traffic isn't too heavy. What I've observed is that the traffic keeps flowing on both roads, with cars spacing themselves to use the gaps. It's quite a thing of beauty!
@richardharvey1732
9 ай бұрын
@@paulsengupta971 Hi Paul Sengupta, thank you for this response, it is good to get a positive comment on these channels!, seeing something good for a change!. You do highlight the plain fact that far too many traffic bottlenecks are aggravated by poor road layout and markings. Sixty years ago when I first started to e=see the clever way English A roads markings were applied I was so impressed!. Every road had the same style of markings and signage, dotted white lines of differing interval depending on the conditions ahead, turning to roadside signs then solid white line one side, then both, double, sides then off again at the exit!, every one of then set in a manner that matched the nature of that section of the highway but extraordinarily consistent over the network that does not seems to be possible any more now that we have so many better more 'efficient' ways of management!. Cheers, Richard.
@balazsfitz7517
9 ай бұрын
This is the kind of content that I love the most. Some DVLA fund should find its way to your account for such valuable and available information. Thanks Ash, it’s so much appreciated!
@TimmyTonk
9 ай бұрын
I literally just had an accident yesterday caused by a driver turning right from a left only lane on a roundabout. The coincidence of you covering this is amazing. Glad you covered it!
@Kalash74
9 ай бұрын
damn how bad was it? did everyone involved make it out alright?
@JohnThomson-du6ux
9 ай бұрын
It’s worth reminding folks that EVERY car on the inside of a roundabout will eventually turn left !
@TimmyTonk
9 ай бұрын
Just car damage really, don't believe there were any injuries, maybe just some muscle strains on both sides. Left with the insurers to deal with
@thomasdalton1508
9 ай бұрын
How was it caused by the driver turning right from a left only lane? Wasn't the cause you failing to give way to that driver? Just because they shouldn't have been there doesn't mean you can emerge in front of them.
@paulsengupta971
9 ай бұрын
This is why Ashley advocates going round in a staggered formation, so if someone does this it doesn't cause a collision. Not always practical, but best to do it whenever possible.
@nicb900
9 ай бұрын
this is an excellent lesson and I will certainly follow this, I think I do, but also raises awareness that some drivers will pull out and to watch out for this.
@dunderhay9169
9 ай бұрын
This should be required viewing for all drivers, thank you 👍
@Tillyard86
9 ай бұрын
Wow! Do people think that? I wouldn’t dare emerge until nothing was coming at all. It’s the main reason I'm not too fond of roundabouts. I’m well aware of the dangers of this from a terrible roundabout near where I live with three lanes of traffic, where there are always delays and also the odd coalitions.
@Peter_Vidgeon
9 ай бұрын
I do like the use of 'coalitions' instead of 'collisions'; a much better word, and no, I'm not being sarcastic.
@TheWeepingDalek
9 ай бұрын
Word of advice. Never go to Milton Keynes. You're going to hate it
@chipmonk12
9 ай бұрын
@@Peter_Vidgeonyes, as in working together,👍
@paulsengupta971
9 ай бұрын
There are other reasons to dislike Milton Keynes besides the roundabouts.
@TheWeepingDalek
9 ай бұрын
@@paulsengupta971 idk.
@tomhutchins7495
9 ай бұрын
I remember believing this when I first passed. After a close call I decided it was a bad idea and started giving way to both lanes. Glad to learn I’ve been accidentally doing it right! With regards to other countries, UK roads can be complex because we have a lot of multi-lane roads and roundabouts which are quite rare in some places.
@Landrassa1
9 ай бұрын
Another difference is that here at least (Netherlands) you exit a multi-lane roundabout from the outside lane only and so you *can* emerge onto a roundabout if the lane you want to enter is clear. Only if there's a car on the inner lane indicating they're moving towards the outside one are you supposed to wait.
@bikeaholic6386
9 ай бұрын
Great that you covered this topic, it doesn't get enough attention and I notice it every day, both in my car and even more so on my motorcycle.
@robc5955
9 ай бұрын
On very large motorway roundabouts ie the under pass, I’ve pulled out going left when roundabout not completely clear of traffic in the outer lane, otherwise I don’t though probably have at some point. This was a very useful lesson as I think everyone from time to time abuses roundabouts seeing a gap and rushing for it.
@Michellejane87
3 ай бұрын
I'm so glad I came across this video. I thought I was going insane. I was always told to wait if cars were coming around the roundabout regardless of lane and the amount of times I've seen people not do this is astonishing! I'm glad I wasn't going mad.
@teenagedlime3
9 ай бұрын
I made this exact same mistake during my last mock test lesson, went to pull out onto a dual carriageway when it was clear in the left lane and not the right. Wish i had learnt this before. Great video as always
@Dutchy80
9 ай бұрын
The way I see driving now, especially after watching Ashley's videos, is I am in control of what I'm doing within the car, but never to presume or assume what someone else is going to do. This works in this scenario perfectly. Dont presume the car is going round the roundabout. Just hold back and wait until its clear
@EightPawsProductionsHD
9 ай бұрын
Two things my driving instructor said to me on the first day: 1) Assume everyone else on the road is an idiot 2) Self preservation (i.e. don't get yourself into situations where you could be in danger, of which, not giving way to all lanes on a roundabout is one).
@djalland1
9 ай бұрын
Thank you for this video, it's something that's been driving me mad for years. Until recently I had a regular route I drove which involved a right turn on a busy roundabout where the vast bulk of the traffic either entered or exited the roundabout at the junction before mine, meaning I always had to slide across from the inside to exit. I ended up going from being aware of people emerging on me to fully expecting it as it happened so often, despite the obvious clue of my indicator.
@peterosbourne3571
9 ай бұрын
Really informative and valuable lesson today. A lot of incidents and near misses happen on UK rebouts because people have opinions about what lane someone else should be in.
@lisasS132
9 ай бұрын
Brilliantly shown and explained. Think long term drivers and new can and should watch your channel.
@ibs5080
9 ай бұрын
Ah, looks like a continuation of the "Give way to both lanes of the roundabout" principle. Will watch this with great interest. Greetings from Birmingham, visiting for Grand Designs Live. A non event drive up from Canterbury yesterday...by putting to practice many of the principles learned from Ashley over the years. Still room for self improvement, as always!
@smilerbob
9 ай бұрын
Greeting from Staffordshire not too far away from Birmingham. You have chosen a good weekend to be here with the last hoorah of summer before autumn kicks in full swing Have a good time there 👍
@ibs5080
9 ай бұрын
@@smilerbob Hello there. Yes, here for three nights, yesterday being the first. Will be going into Birmingham city centre today via train from the NEC for some sightseeing e.g. the canals and the very modern library plus a few other places. Tomorrow at Grand Designs Live and then back to Canterbury on Monday. Stopped off at Waterperry Gardens near Oxford on the way up and it's lovely. Third time visiting there. Anyhow, hope all is well with you and have a great weekend. I'm still catching up on Ashley's driving and cycling videos.
@astromatt75
9 ай бұрын
Thank you for covering this - it's music to my ears. I've had this happen to me on several occasions and they act like they are in right.
@thetiredoldtiger4711
9 ай бұрын
Agree with absolutely everything except the dual carriageway emerge. You'll be sat waiting forever if you're going to sit and wait for the whole carriageway to be clear in both lanes. I teach people to look for signals of those in the overtaking lane that might be coming back over or to look for signals of people in the left lane moving over to allow us room to pull out alongside them. I teach them to do it with the things in mind that I've mentioned and never had a problem and I also mention about how we should allow the vehicle that's moved over for us, to come in back in front of us out of courtesy. They may have moved temporarily but need the following exit so we don't want to block them from moving back over. Observations from both parties should be enough to keep each other safe but it is the vehicle that's emerging that is responsible for doing so safely.
@GGMattt
9 ай бұрын
Currently learning roundabouts at the moment so this is very helpful, they're not as tricky as I used to think but I've only been on small ones 😅 three lane roundabouts will be a challenge! You need to make sure the whole roundabout is clear before entering, I try not to enter a roundabout unless I'm certain it's safe for me to go, I can hesitate at times judging speed of a car coming around even though it's safe but that will just come with more practice :)
@simongreenidge6454
9 ай бұрын
The flexibility of roundabout design has been taken to the limit, with so many permutations and combinations that some drivers struggle to cope with them, especially if the driver is unfamiliar with the roundabout in question.
@TheFatNumpty
9 ай бұрын
Excellent content as always and a great choice of subject, I see this every day and it’s pretty poxy that drivers have to be reminded about such a simple thing
@michaelhands6011
9 ай бұрын
I'm inclined to agree based on the perspective we are shown in Ashley's video.
@jadixie4463
9 ай бұрын
6.25 thank you so much for clearing this up! I'm newly passed and have had people beep me for waiting for both lanes to be clear. I was starting to doubt myself 😅
@angiefoley7643
9 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing this ash. I also give way to both lanes on a roundabout and have been tooted from behind to go. It’s good to know iam doing the correct thing. 😁
@moaz888
9 ай бұрын
Very nice and important point ..very well explained.thank you
@R04drunner1
9 ай бұрын
Spot on Ashley. Why would you want to drive into potential danger? Arrogance, ignorance or impatience. Your video fixes the second and hopefully addresses the first and third!
@32shumble
Ай бұрын
I totally agree - and this has been a really useful video for me personally. On one particular roundabout near me I'm just going to have to get used to waiting a hell of a long time for to pull out.
@theGreenChangeling
9 ай бұрын
The rules in Norway are basically that you have to give way to everyone already inside the roundabout. However, this does not mean that you can't enter if someone is on the opposite side of said roundabout, rather that your entry must not force others to react in any way. I also feel that it is strating to become more common for drivers to communicate where they're going by using indicators; right if you're exiting, left if you're driving more than halfway around. Of course we drive on the *right* side of the road, so if you live in, say, the UK and thus drive on the wrong side, you should swap which indicator you're using... Love your videos Ashley, please keep them coming!
@stephenjcuk7562
9 ай бұрын
Everything that you said I was taught 35 years ago. I am astonished that the views expressed on the first clip are even considered. However I genuinely have been tooted at roundabouts recently in the left hand lane for not emerging quickly enough but if this thought process is becoming prevelant it explains alot.
@THEANPHROPY
3 ай бұрын
Thank you for the upload Brother! Regarding the 1st clip at first inspection I do not know if you can leave the roundabout at the exit the driver did from the outside lane: however; large & or restricted lane exit roundabouts always have road markings & usually signs prior to & sometimes on the roundabout giving clear instructions, also due to todays drivers behaviours, always best to drive defensively especially near to high density population areas during rush-hour!!! Also & most IMPORTANTLY: you ALWAYS GIVE WAY TO YOUR right ON A ROUNDABOUT!!!
@petersmith5723
9 ай бұрын
Thanks Ashley , will ensure that I put this into practice.
@b3108
9 ай бұрын
In Hong Kong, where we follow the UK rules as the base point, we have some busy THREE-lane roundabouts. What we see there can be quite gnarly. And that's on top of the many, many two-lane roundabouts.
@pratosaurusrex1128
7 ай бұрын
Thanks for clarifying this. It’s an area I wasn’t too up on. A related point is that I think those on the roundabout need to be clearer with their signals. Too many times I see cars using exit 1 on a roundabout without indicating left. This forces drivers using the entry at exit 1 to keep off the roundabout in case those using the roundabout want to leave at exit 2 etc. It bunches up traffic at the roundabout unnecessarily.
@kevinmills5293
9 ай бұрын
Here in Spain, roundabouts are treated as circular roads so if you want to leave the roundabout, you must be in the outer lane. Also, in the outer lane, you can continue without having to exit the roundabout. Also, if the outer lane is clear, you may enter the roundabout and it is the responsibility of the driver changing lanes to make sure it is safe to do so.
@spiderbootsy
9 ай бұрын
What’s the point in having an inner lane if that’s the case?
@kevinmills5293
9 ай бұрын
@@spiderbootsy for the same reason you have dual carriageways.
@adamb5147
9 ай бұрын
I have never known what to do in that situation but to me the safer option was to wait for both lanes to be clear, so glad I was doing it correctly. However, I have been known to just slide out of roundabouts and I'll own up to that
@AW8UK
8 ай бұрын
Good video. I do as correctly shown here. If turning (say 3o'clock right) on a roundabout....I often favour avoiding crossing to lane 1 on exit so as to avoid risk of collisions with those that pull out and turn left into lane 1. Riding a motorcycle has helped me increase my vigilance.
@eshaanmalasi3539
9 ай бұрын
I just passed my test with 2 driving faults just by following your advice Ashley
@sabni8668
15 күн бұрын
I never thought much about merging on to a two lane road, always would do my best to anticipate if they were going to switch lanes (and sometimes they do) but now I'll hold back to be certain of avoiding a bad situation.
@neilmcdonnell2964
9 ай бұрын
I unfortunately thought the same, so thanks for this video and the previous one pointing this out.
@formicapple2
9 ай бұрын
Thanks Ashley.
@A.G.T.A.G.
9 ай бұрын
I was taught in the 80s; that if you entered in the right lane, you exited in the right lane with the option to exit in the left lane ONLY if it was clear to do so with an over-the-left-shoulder look and NEVER to change lanes ON a roundabout. This allowed for better flow of traffic, saving someone having to wait for ages to enter and then leave on their first exit, waiting for lane 2 to become empty, even if vehicles on the roundabout were continuing round. However it seems now, drivers think that they should always exit in the left lane no matter what, rather than using the lane provided. Also, regarding moving from lane 2 to lane 1 on a dual-carriageway, again I was taught NOT to do so at junctions to allow vehicles to exit that junction.
@jamesmacdonald1116
9 ай бұрын
My instructor taught me the same as you teach your students, especially these days where some people dont even bother indicating, if there's an unknown, never chance it.
@brandonlee7382
9 ай бұрын
Exactly! When people and I turn off to the exit we switch lanes. And that's why I'm careful coming onto a roundabout and try to make sure both lanes are clear. That's probably the reason alot or roundabouts don't have road markings for that reason
@burdenstephen
9 ай бұрын
I did this on one of my driving lessons, almost 20 years ago now. It was the only time that my instructor took the controls.
@Trinity2k7
9 ай бұрын
Back when I was learning to drive, I was taught that all cars on a roundabout (no matter the lane) have right of way, and to wait for a car to safely pass on the inner lane before tucking in as you described. Making sure you know where that inner car is going before joining. I have had plenty of cars beep at me to go when there is a roundabout section that seems to curve off to the left as if it's falsely like its own lane to follow. But it's still a roundabout junction, and should be treated as such. I always feel the pressure and made to feel like I am in the wrong for waiting, but know full well I'm not! I feel like there needs to be a lot more focus on roundabouts, not just from learning to use them, but from building and design side! There is a roundabout near me that has failed people on their tests purely because the painted sign on the ground is in error and has still yet to be rectified. There are some roundabouts that are just so so poorly designed, even with correct signage, I've ended up in the wrong position because an exit is a split second wide and hasn't been give a proper exit time/design. Leading to have to loop round again haha
@robg521
9 ай бұрын
Excellent advice 👍 The is a 60MPH roundabout in Chichester, occasionally traffic will come around the roundabout in the out side lane at speed with body language that positions them to turn off onto the dual carriageway, so you think it’s clear to pull out onto the roundabout, but at the last minute they change their mind and keep coming around, [if you keep going you then get T-boned] Technically they have done nothing wrong because the lane they are in can go both directions so you need to be ready to stop and hold back. [Wait for them to commit before you commit]
@seanfarrell7396
8 ай бұрын
Very helpful Ashley.
@TheMrDavidSir
9 ай бұрын
Great video. So many dash cam compilation videos are just full of drivers who just don't know how to enter, exit or drive around a roundabout.
@kennethcroll6972
9 ай бұрын
hi Ashley i was taught not to change lanes when you are in lane two coming of a roundabout into a two lane road, only to change to lane one once you are of the roundabout. but that said i do wait until it clear before i move on to the roundabout. i know dont sit next to any cars on the roundabout thanks to you :}
@markvarley4557
7 ай бұрын
I recently found your channel and I've been enjoying a lot of your videos, especially learning from what other people do wrong, or less than ideally, I'm aware of my own driving bad habits but only the ones I know about, hopefully I can find out if I have any more, but I'm pleased that so far I don't think I'd have made any of the mistakes I've seen an any of your videos, but I'll keep watching and hopefully find some bad habits to correct, it's entertaining content in the mean time! 👍👍 (the only bad habits I'm aware of having are glancing down to check my speed too often (I like to be right on or slightly below the speed limit so I keep looking down to check, those are mostly momentary glances that would be better spent looking in mirrors more often instead), and I like to leave a big gap between myself and the vehicle in front, on dual carriageways I get annoyed at overtakers constantly pulling into the gap, so I have to drop back, over and over again, and I can get a bit annoyed at that relentless process, I need to work on taking that annoyance more in my stride!).
@rstevens7711
9 ай бұрын
I'd never be arrogant enough to think I'm a great driver or that I'd never make the mistakes we see in these videos. For the roundabouts I was sort of relieved to know I'm doing everything right...I think. However, I now realise that I need to check what I do when I emerge from my residential street onto a main road. I think I check for traffic in both lanes and don't assume that a car in lane 2 will always stay there, but right now I'm unsure. A good video.
@champman99
9 ай бұрын
I think the confusion comes when there are multiple lanes on all exits, not just on the main approaches. Say 2 lanes on all approaches. I think some people assume that if you are going straight from the right lane, you will leave in the right lane (which of course you will if there is someone alongside you, but won't necessarily if there isn't)
@CarlosTehJackal
9 ай бұрын
I've always waited for both lanes to clear before pulling out onto a roundabout or into a dual-carriageway. I remember my instructor being very keen on getting this right. Over the years, I've seen several accidents that have reinforced this lesson.
@eshaanmalasi3539
9 ай бұрын
I would agree with you on that
@ruawhitepaw
8 ай бұрын
This is very useful information for me if I ever drive in the UK! In the Netherlands we don't really have multi-lane roundabouts like these, we either have one lane or the "turbo" design. So I had no idea about this rule, and might cause a crash on a future visit.
@QuentinStephens
9 ай бұрын
Great and educational video as always.
@didac3859
3 ай бұрын
5:12 I can confirm. As a Spaniard, our law dictates that the correct way to do a roundabout is on the outside lane, no matter what exit you're taking. The inside lanes are only "recommended" to alleviate traffic. It's an antiquated law from back when traffic was insignificant compared to now. Over time, drivers have adapted to this without any actual input from the government, so people use the inside lanes, but not properly. This has resulted in a very uncomfortable combination, where people who have been driving for decades are using the inside lanes but also not bothering to switch lanes before exiting, and newer drivers doing entire roundabouts in the outside lane because that's what driving schools teach. If you spend any amount of time on a Spanish city, I recommend you simply grab your camera and spend 2 minutes next to a roundabout, I guarantee you'll see at least someone exiting from the inside and cutting someone else off. I passed my test almost a year ago, but I still remember my driving instructor telling me that he was aware that the situation was absurd, but the industry seems to have come to the agreement that the most reliable way for learners to pass their test is to teach them to do roundabouts exactly as the antiquated law says and then pray that they develop some better habits once they have their license.
@stephengreen6338
9 ай бұрын
The problem is also lane discipline, cut back in too soon, and the car that should have waited gets taken out, I realise to wrongs don't make a right, I have been driving over forty odd years, and have always, as Ashley said, given way to both lanes, its the safest option
@benji3116
7 күн бұрын
learner here, and i made this mistake. but realised it was a mistake and am learning from it
@JulianShagworthy
9 ай бұрын
I do this in one situation only - when I'm in a fully laden HGV in heavy (rush hour) traffic, I'm taking the first exit onto a multi lane road, and there is a stream of single file traffic all following the inside of the roundabout. An example would be turning left at a flyover roundabout onto a multi lane dual carriageway with a multi lane slip road. This means I remain in the left hand lane, AND traffic on the roundabout has the option to simply overtake me into lane 2 of the slip road. I make my intentions very clear by hugging the left hand side of the road and indicating left. I'd say 80% of people are cool with this, 15% are unsure (and hold back), and 5% will give me the horn. It's not as per the HWC, but it works very well to keep traffic flowing (the road I'm emerging FROM is notorious for long tailbacks) and, whilst annoying a very small minority of people, has never created an unsafe situation.
@frazermountford
9 ай бұрын
If you are on the roundabout you can apply some defensive driving to protect from any emerges if you are in lane 2+. I was taught when doing my PCV was to take lane 1 much sooner. So at 3:01 - 3:03 i will be planning, indicating left and getting into lane 1 as soon as i can to emphasize it rather than just crossing lane one at the last minute. Rule 186 says keep to the right on the roundabout until you need to change lanes to exit the roundabout and signal left after you have passed the exit before the one you want.
@kevincross9206
9 ай бұрын
I think that poor or no indication also compounds this problem.
@jaysimpson6857
9 ай бұрын
Agreed, after no indication not giving way to both lanes is the second most regular bad driving occurrence I see on roundabouts. I often find myself giving way for no reason to someone who exits without indicating.
@PovilasPanavas
9 ай бұрын
I would add that internet says this about UK: "Turning Right: You’ll need to move into the left lane before exiting - so check your blind spot while doing this with a quick glance over your left shoulder. Once in the left lane you’re ready to exit." There's nothing like that in other European countries I'm familiar with. You can exit from inside lane there, but not UK.
@Denjasaurus
9 ай бұрын
Ash, thanks for replying to my video I sent the other day. That roundabout I was on is a nightmare, so I’m always super aware of “barging”. I want to be an instructor so trying my best to learn to be even better.
@ashley_neal
9 ай бұрын
I told you I had something in the pipeline! Your clip would've fitted in with this video perfectly, but it was made a couple of months ago.
@Denjasaurus
9 ай бұрын
@@ashley_neal no worries - I can see it would have done. Still gonna keep learning - thank you for taking the time to reply 😊
@rustydusty2992
9 ай бұрын
@@ashley_neal I blame the fact that 40 years ago the HC had as an alternative route through a roundabout for straight ahead the ability to straight line them using both lanes to do so so switching from the neaside lane approaching them to nearside to rounadabout kerb lane then back to nearside exiting roundabout. This all done of course with full observations and if as said in the HC then if traffic dictates, this led to the expectancy that the give way lines meant at the roundabout entrance that it means exactly that and you should wait for all traffic from the right too pass no matter what. The HC does no longer shows this illistration and maintains you should stick to your lane no matter what when going straight ahead so has bought about that they must do this and therefore it's OK to enter the roundabout as the car on the roundabout should not enter the nearside lane on exiting the roundabout if kerbside lane to roundabout is where the car is that is coming from the right.
@neilp1885
9 ай бұрын
@rustydusty2992 Yes, that diagram you mention is no longer there, however, I don't think the highway code gives any expectation that the left lane can be just used safely for a left turn if there's a vehicle approaching in the right lane on the roundabout. (I don't think you are saying that's what it says, I think you are saying that many users misinterpret what's in the highway code and that's the cause of this problem. What I'm saying is that to me it still seems fairly clear that you have to be aware of roundabout users in all lanes, so I don't think the highway code is at fault, but maybe you are right and people misunderstand it. However, I'm not sure that's the case, I think some users don't know it well enough or don't care.) Here's why I think the highway code shows that vehicles in the right lane on a roundabout might move left when exiting and therefore why I wouldn't say the highway code is causing this problem. Most obvious to me is the diagram in rule 185. The vehicle turning right (green) is shown exiting using either the left or right lane. So, to someone (e.g., the white car) approaching or waiting at the junction at the top-left of the diagram (the exit before the one that the green car turning right is taking), there is a car approaching in the right/inside lane in the roundabout, they could still be indicating right, but they might be about to leave at the next exit and could move across to the left lane when doing so. The car turning right (green) should change their indicator to left after they pass the exit before the one they want (the exit where the white car is), but they might forget or change late. Even if they indicate left, there's no way to know if that means they will exit in the left or the right lane (and on some roundabouts there might only be one lane on the exit road anyway). So, I'd say the white car can't assume that the left lane will be clear for them. Rule 185 says to give priority to traffic approaching from the right, it doesn't say that only applies to traffic in the leftmost lane on the roundabout. It also says "watch out for all other road users already on the roundabout; be aware they may not be signalling correctly or at all". That's all users, not just the left lane. So this would include watching out for users in the right lane who might be about to move across to the left lane or might be about to exit using the left lane and might not be indicating left. Rule 186 says about turning right, "keep to the right on the roundabout until you need to change lanes to exit the roundabout", because of course they will need to change to or at least cross the left lane in order to exit, and depending on the size, layout and markings of the roundabout, they may need to do this as or just after they pass the exit before the one they intend to leave at. Of course, they should check left before moving left, but at the point they check, the car that's about to enter might still be stationary, it could be obscured by the window pillar, road signs, other vehicles, etc., and even if they see the car approaching/waiting, they may well assume that the car will give priority to them because that's what's supposed to happen. So, the person joining shouldn't assume they've been seen and shouldn't assume that the users in the roundabout will make any allowance for them joining even if they have been seen.
@rustydusty2992
9 ай бұрын
@@neilp1885 It is a lot of problems but the one diagram I mentioned is that it implies that straightlining is strictley forbidden when the reply from the DOT when I have questioned it in the past agreed with me it's as and when traffic dictates that it's Ok and each case of straightlining should be taken on it's merrits on a case by case basis. There is also the bullying issue as (your in the inside lane you have to continue to use it) attitude by those that are inpatiant to enter the roundabout etc.
@leeholden8658
9 ай бұрын
As you know I’ve not been driving that long,but I always make sure that both lanes coming around a roundabout have cleared before safely emerging. Some people can’t even get a single lane roundabout correct. Had a Range Rover pull out in front of us on a mini roundabout last night, too busy looking down (mobile phone!) Why wouldn’t your eyes be on the road?
@alastairward2774
9 ай бұрын
Cars should be equipped with a Faraday cage to block any radio signals, incredible how many people are happy to be glued to their phone at any speed.
@leeholden8658
9 ай бұрын
@@alastairward2774 but emerging onto a roundabout without looking is just asking for trouble imo. Wish I saved the clip
@lee53_
9 ай бұрын
I know the roundabout in the first clip very well, by Tesco Wellingborough. The problem with this area is it has a very high traffic volume and lots of vehicles approaching from different areas - including 2 exits off the A45. There was an accident just prior to the roundabout only yesterday. The main problem is the speed people drive at, even the 40 limit is too much and hardly anyone obeys that! There is a lot of pressure to go quickly as traffic soon builds up in all directions, but you have to wait for a safe opportunity.
@Rapid_GT
9 ай бұрын
Other issues are vehicles coming onto and going off roundabouts is when there's 2 designated lanes turning right onto a dual carriageway, vehicles in the right hand lane don't stay in their lane until it's clear to move over into the left hand lane once exiting the roundabout, instead they'll just move across into the lane before they have exited the roundabout and without checking (or maybe they don't care) there's another vehicle in the left lane, basically there's a lack of lane discipline on roundabouts like that! The trick to roundabouts is the timing on approach observing what's coming so there's no need to give way, a lot of people wait until they're at a roundabout stop then they've lost all momentum which means more than likely they'll be something coming, this then causes congestion and all because people don't pay enough attention.
@tom13king
9 ай бұрын
I seem to vaguely remember my driving instructor giving me one situation where you could emerge like this, something like if you’re going first exit left and there’s a car in the inside lane indicating right. But since I could never remember it exactly, I’ve always played it safe and waited for the whole roundabout.
@neilp1885
9 ай бұрын
Perhaps if you've just seen that vehicle enter from the junction immediately before yours, indicate right, and move into the right lane. They shouldn't be leaving at the next exit (your left), so you *might* be safe to go. However, that driver might have made a mistake and might want the next exit and might suddenly take it, or they might be 'straight lining' the roundabout and accidentally or mistakenly have their right indicator on. In general, as shown in the diagram in highway code rule 185, a vehicle in the right lane might exit using either lane. See the vehicle turning right (green), which is shown exiting using either the left or right lane. So, to someone (e.g., the white car in the diagram) approaching or waiting at the junction at the top-left of the diagram (the exit before the one that the green car turning right is taking), there is a car approaching in the right/inside lane in the roundabout, they could still be indicating right, but they might be about to leave at the next exit and could move across to the left lane when doing so. The car turning right (green) should change their indicator to left after they pass the exit before the one they want (the exit where the white car is), but they might forget or change late. Even if they indicate left, there's no way to know if that means they will exit in the left or the right lane (and on some roundabouts there might only be one lane on the exit road anyway). So, I'd say the white car can't assume that the left lane will be clear for them. Rule 185 says to give priority to traffic approaching from the right, it doesn't say that only applies to traffic in the leftmost lane on the roundabout. It also says "watch out for all other road users already on the roundabout; be aware they may not be signalling correctly or at all". That's all users, not just the left lane. So this would include watching out for users in the right lane who might be about to move across to the left lane or might be about to exit using the left lane and might not be indicating left. Of course everyone will need to change to or at least cross the left lane in order to exit, and depending on the size, layout and markings of the roundabout, they may need to do this as or just after they pass the exit before the one they intend to leave at. They should check left before moving left, but at the point they check, the car that's about to enter might still be stationary, it could be obscured by the window pillar, road signs, plants, other vehicles, etc., and even if they see the car approaching/waiting, they may well assume that the car will give priority to them because that's what's supposed to happen. So, the person joining shouldn't assume they've been seen and shouldn't assume that the users in the roundabout will make any allowance for them joining even if they have been seen.
@ewanmcdonagh2827
9 ай бұрын
I was driving in Malta a couple of months ago, and whilst most driving was very similar to the UK, the one thing to be wary of, is that people will go any direction on a roundabout, from any lane. People would often go all the way round the roundabout to go back the way we joined from, in the left lane.
@markf4720
9 ай бұрын
Exactly this happened to me the other day, a car pulled out turning left as I was sliding over. The danger is it can be just at the moment you check no-one is to your left/behind, so awareness is key as always. It also amazes me driving in London the increasing numbers of people who don't even know what the function of a roundabout is. Many people stop to let me out when I dont have right of way, or wave to say "thanks" when I give way to them as per the rules. I suspect the police would find many don't have valid driver's licenses if they were stopped.
@1988dgs
9 ай бұрын
The instructions in this country appear to have changed somewhere in the early 2000’s, I have a Highway Code from the early 90’s (possibly late 80’s) that shows a vehicle entering from the bottom, going right, going onto the inside round the roundabout and exiting into the right hand lane with the left hand lane an alternate, if clear. Also people think a roundabout as one action when it’s a series of smaller actions, joining, navigating and leaving. I did my car test with the local police advanced/pursuit instructor (before 1990) and my bike test with a biker paramedic (before 2000) they both instructed with similar style, a multi lane roundabout is a self contained dual carriageway, the lane you approach in dictates which lane you go into and (baring additional lane instructions) which lane you leave into. I think people these days completely fail to indicate correctly when they are moving lanes and everyone tries to do them as fast as possible with a complete lack of observation. On a standard 4 road, dual carriageway roundabout, if I am entering from the 6 position, left hand lane, someone entering from the 3 position, right hand lane, both of us going to the 12 position road, using the “old” instructions we can both circle the roundabout at the same time and exit into our respective lanes. Standards have dropped now and we can’t do that as the car from the 3 position would try to “chop” the exit into the left lane, even if they then intend to then go straight back into the right hand lane. (Incidentally chopping the exit is illegal in most other countries and will get you a ticket yet seems to be the norm taught here)
@wjkitching
9 ай бұрын
If you pull out while traffic is on the inside of the roundabout, you do run the high risk of someone sliding over for the next turn off, just like emerging onto a two lane road . Indicators are not always used correctly either. Ashley is right you should wait until both lanes are clear, trouble is people feel pressured by vehicles behind on busy roundabouts. Just last week had a lorry hit the back of me, just slid over into my lane, on a roundabout. They had no idea I was there, luckily I was not a biker. I tried the Ashley method of not being opposite another vehicle but other vehicles made this impossible.
@unwillingly_will
9 ай бұрын
I made this exact mistake on my test a few years back, I don't know why I knew it was wrong yet for some reason I panicked and went. Thought for sure I'd failed so I was more relaxed for the rest of the test since I thought it didn't matter, but at the end I was shocked when the examiner gave me a pass. I actually asked about it and he said yeah it wasn't great but only a minor since I didn't cause the car on the inside lane to brake or swerve. In a way I guess it was a good thing since the change in mindset after it happened probably helped me pass since in my anxiety I probably would've panicked and made a worse mistake.
@Frohicky1
2 ай бұрын
I've noticed it's more common on busy roundabouts. As in, 'if I don't give way to the inside only, I'll never get to go'
@davedavidson5166
9 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video! Would be very interesting to see one on Spiral Roundabouts where the inside lane moves out after each junction, there are lots in Hertfordshire and nobody seems to understand how to approach them and use them!
@johnpmchappell
8 ай бұрын
I definitely remember being taught to give way to all traffic to my right, at a roundabout. In practice, there are times when you can see it will be safe to "slip round" from the left lane onto the first exit, but the onus is on you to do it safely, as traffic that was already on the roundabout absolutely has the right of way. I'm now in Texas, where there are very few roundabouts and nobody has the slightest idea how to drive them. I basically wait to see what everyone else is trying to do, because it's basically "roll the dice" :P
@TinyPigy282
9 ай бұрын
Always taught to give way to the right. So when it's absolutely clear I can progress. Also if I'm ever in any doubt about the signals a car/driver is giving off, I'll hold back/wait
@ricequackers
9 ай бұрын
I wonder if the Dutch-style turbo roundabouts would help here. Since it makes you pick your lane before entering, it should make it really obvious where you need to give way and where other vehicles will be exiting.
@stuartmcconnachie
9 ай бұрын
What, like Hewitt’s Roundabout at the end of the short feeder to junction 4 of the M25? As a regular user I can assure you not! I’ve had drivers move into lane 3 on the southern side (marked for M25) only to then “slide across” a full two lanes to take the A21 exit directly in front of me. Meanwhile I’m correctly in lane 2 (for A21/A224) and intending to proceed around and take the A224 (Court Road) exit. It’s either that, or they stay in the M25 lane, but then cut across me and leave at the A224 as well. Luckily I know to stagger, so there’s little issue for me. However if they don’t indicate their lane change they’re still going to receive a flash of my lights… Ashley, does your advice differ on spiral roundabouts? Surely waiting for a vehicle clearly in lane 3 and indicating right (with both indicators and road positioning) to pass before you emerge into left lane 1 (to take next exit) is NOT what was intended.
@brianocampo7981
9 ай бұрын
The closest thing to your proposal would be the 'spiral roundabout' arrangement, although lane markings are never going to stop drivers who change lanes late of course
@ricequackers
9 ай бұрын
@@stuartmcconnachie No, a turbo roundabout is a little different - it has the same concept of using multiple lanes to spiral off traffic from the outermost lane at each exit, but the separation of lanes is much more distinct and sometimes a physical barrier. It forces you to pick your exit and lane on the approach, and not to change lane so following the lane will take you to your exit. It eliminates the ability to "slide over" and therefore the chance of sideswipes, and I reckon it should also make entering a roundabout when the inner lanes are occupied a non-issue. Take a look at a photo of one in NL and you'll see what I mean.
@engineeredlifeform
9 ай бұрын
I always thought it was clear, and simple, and we give way to our right. Seems too many people misinterpret "watch out for all other road users already on the roundabout" as "If I can get on the roundabout first I can take priority". It's just selfishness and the MGIF mentality.
@contessa.adella
9 ай бұрын
Yep! I’ve had people pulling out while I’m on the roundabout and literally preventing me from taking my required exit
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