It is truly remarkable when entrepreneurs value their business in millions without earning a single penny.
@salahaddin2009
Жыл бұрын
Tragic and funny. The Touker deal likely would have helped. They still haven’t made a penny
@AliHussain-fz7pd
Жыл бұрын
Tech is another beast altogether. The burn rate is so high, the valuations are crazy, but when it goes right it's a lottery because it allows huge scale and only a small number of staff. Instagram is a 50 man unit. I think they got what they wanted out of this - exposure. Whether or not they receive the investment is the key question.
@TheTwsa
Жыл бұрын
prepaying costumers pump the belief and value, seemingly, to skyhigh levels where there is no oxygen....
@babdullah5025
Жыл бұрын
Sometimes it's just about luck 😢
@TheTwsa
Жыл бұрын
If they have a promising new approach or skills without actually having put this at work, then it is potentially attractive, BUT then investor may need a large chunk of the company.
@lesleyseetso3952
Жыл бұрын
The cavity between their valuation couldn't be filled 😅😂😂The Commentator is on point
@Squish-TheUrbanScribe
Жыл бұрын
🤣
@imranasghar8690
Жыл бұрын
I bet you wished you could fill their cavity
@coldestbeer
9 ай бұрын
Your teeth's got cavity
@someoneanyone884
8 ай бұрын
Yoo 😂😂😂
@beancheese3148
Жыл бұрын
She talked so fast she didn’t realize she was debunking the need for her product 🤣🤣 “You get lots and lots of those. Use them everyday for two months and it could cost you £2-3.”
@jacksonsmith5490
8 ай бұрын
I'm like "sh*t, I gotta look into those!"
@chittachatter
6 ай бұрын
Peter: How've you come up with 2.7 million? Hawaa: So, what we've done is, based on our obscene sense of entitlement...
@mhuandakayombo9580
Жыл бұрын
Deborah is💯 right not everything can be app-able
@Lunchladydoyle
Жыл бұрын
Wow, that counter offer. Thanks ladies I needed a hearty laugh today !! 😅
@wildnfree101
Жыл бұрын
I read your comment before I had even heard Toukers offer of 30%. I thought they may have come back with 15% or at least 10%, but when I heard what they said, I knew were you was coming from. lol
@canag0d
Жыл бұрын
Ignore the valuation and the entrepreneurs arrogance… This idea is HORRIBLE!!! ANYONE who is not only willing to spend the $ to buy this + take the time to use this is already brushing and flossing properly and visiting the dentist multiple times a year. So they already know their dental health and from a professional dentist and not a generic piece of hardware. Even if it does work and someone uses it… What are they to do with that info? They’re already going to the dentist and brushing properly? If you find out you have plaque build up (that somehow your brushing didn’t solve and the dentist didn’t see) what then? Do you go to the dentist more or brush more? I mean it’s a completely useless product. And for people with poor dental hygiene… They would never use this either. They alrdy know they have plaque and do nothing aboot it already. This might be the single worst product I have ever seen.
@Mark-yk1ny
Жыл бұрын
Peter was right. It really was like watching a KZitem video 😆🤣
@Musiover00
Жыл бұрын
he was talking about they way they spoke when hes there to talk about their product, barely gave an opinion and ran
@sammyb1651
9 ай бұрын
🤣Underrated comment!👍
@Marais-cu3vo
6 ай бұрын
Everyone is coming to the show pitching a subscription service. The times have changed and people are cutting back on subscriptions.
@namnack
Жыл бұрын
Another massively over-engineered solution to a problem that doesn't exist.
@ToXristianikoKanali
Жыл бұрын
Exactly waisting money that could be used to feed less fortunate people
@Noelhall88
Жыл бұрын
Precisely
@jackking9271
Жыл бұрын
@@ToXristianikoKanali lol always with the poor kids
@Farquad76.547
Жыл бұрын
@@ToXristianikoKanali you’re such a damn eejit
@ToXristianikoKanali
Жыл бұрын
@@jackking9271 yes till the of times. Till Jesus returns
@sikkepossu
Жыл бұрын
Why people think there has to be an app for everything?!
@ToXristianikoKanali
Жыл бұрын
Because its a trend and they are narcissists money spenders
@Revived786
Жыл бұрын
What a ridiculous counter to TS' 30%!!! That response says it all.
@stealthattack2209
Жыл бұрын
They have obviously already handed out a large percentage of shares to existing investors and don't have much room. Maybe they just came in for the free advertisement lol
@woveshenm2325
Жыл бұрын
the dental puns by the commentator is epic
@mrali5196
Жыл бұрын
I'm trying to get my teeth into these comments
@mayxz13
Жыл бұрын
@@mrali5196 hahahaha
@andrewsheridan6805
Жыл бұрын
Im not a dentist, but doesn't the vast majority of plaque form behind your teeth? This only solves half the "problem".
@Adrian-lc6jq
Жыл бұрын
When you smile people can't see the plaque behind your teeth so it doesn't matter
@cyrus9043
Жыл бұрын
@@Adrian-lc6jq surely its about teeth health? if its just about appearances just use something for whitening them
@kb4432
Жыл бұрын
Spot on mate
@anisdesai4692
Жыл бұрын
Yep I was thinking the same thing. I find my self scraping the inner base of my back molars more then my canines.
@billymabum3514
Жыл бұрын
@@Adrian-lc6jqhahaha of course it matters you numpty
@eddiediesel9035
6 ай бұрын
The glass divider in the elevator is ridiculous.
@walte153
26 күн бұрын
I think it was one of those idiotic "protective measures" for the covid thing. You certainly didn't want two people, who traveled to the studio together, to get in an elevator for 15 seconds without protection do you?
@EnJayMelbourne
Жыл бұрын
£2.7 million company that isn't doing anything. How ridiculous. These people are living in fantasy land. All that money they have raised before has simply been wasted. Touker makes them a very generous offer in exchange for 30% & they were foolish enough to try to negotiate him down to 3.5% 😂😂🤣🤣 OMG.... Some people. 🤦🏻♂️
@vibovitold
Жыл бұрын
it's possible they are only there for publicity
@Foldy435
Жыл бұрын
An app that tells you where plaque is? Have they not heard of a mirror and mk.1 eyeball?
@thefonzkiss
6 ай бұрын
2.6% has to be the lowest ever offered in the den.
@leeturriff7153
10 ай бұрын
"I was making quite a bit of dosh out of that" 0:20
@imanishay
Жыл бұрын
I dont get out of bed for that 😂😂😂😂😂
@SteveTill-b6v
Жыл бұрын
Tukar was willing to put them together with a 'mover and shaker' who would be able to a) know whether it had real potential and if so, b) get the product to market. They missed the chance to have 70% of something in exchange for retaining their 97.4% of pretty much sweet fa. Given the way they talk, I would wager at least one of these ladies went to university and has an MBA or equivalent? Strikes me that hinders rather than helps.
@cranegantry868
Жыл бұрын
100% correct. MBA's don't help in business.
@alih3123
Жыл бұрын
This doesn’t check the plaque on the inside of the teeth either does it? Seems too expensive for something that would miss half the plaque
@sjohnston4272
Жыл бұрын
''Drill down'' wasn't the strongest pun but I read it 👏
@peterpiper831
Жыл бұрын
At least the Dragons didn't ask "Show us your root canals !"
@miraclemiler71
Жыл бұрын
These women have an air of smugness that is very off putting.
@JCRoberts97
Жыл бұрын
Totally agree
@joesaii
Жыл бұрын
was just thinking this, there are little mannerisms that some duos do on this show (looking at each other and smirking after a dragon says something, etc) also 3.5% counter offer and they're pre-revenue? surely they knew it would end up exactly how it did
@JackOfAllTradesIL
Жыл бұрын
agree
@davidloughlin2238
Жыл бұрын
Absolutely, they have burned through a fortune in no time at all and I can't see this going anywhere with them at the helm.
@007kash007
Жыл бұрын
Because obviously the whole point is to get on TV so people can invest on kickstarter for a free product. They're the smart ones, not you.
@JennA-uf6lo
Жыл бұрын
Can’t you still get those chewable pills they used to give us in elementary school when we were learning how to brush properly?
@JL-gf3yc
Жыл бұрын
Valuations get worse and worse, does nobody learn from watching previous pitches? Where do these people come from🙄
@menyjackets593
Жыл бұрын
I suspect there’s more money available to them than they’re admitting to. Their attitude to Touker’s offer, when they so desperately can’t afford to survive without it, makes no sense.
@DaRunTingsCrew
Жыл бұрын
Exactly what I thought.
@getin3949
Жыл бұрын
That app could be telling people ANYTHING it wanted to. I wouldn't buy it, my dentist tells me if I'm doing a good job and if I'm not he takes care of it. I have to go to the dentist anyway so why bother with another APP?
@brandmotivo
Жыл бұрын
Well written.
@ha2734
Жыл бұрын
Toucer looked like he was going to cry at the end lol
@SpencerLeCroix-qi6lz
11 ай бұрын
I think I rather have little shares in something big rather than all the shares in something small, they should have taken the deal
@elmodiddly
11 ай бұрын
Interesting that their arrogance and being backed by both their mothers (check Companies House) gives them that push to market something that is just plain odd. Plus a disclosing tablet costs 3 pence each and gives a colour indicator of ALL teeth, not just the front ones.
@PortlandMan
Жыл бұрын
I like how Evan Davies volume has been massively lowered 👍
@nxesr
Жыл бұрын
Were did these two really spend that raised money on?? Holidays, living the life thinking oh WOW we got all this cash where shall we blow it. Peter was absolutely right to expose this.
@rjacobb
Жыл бұрын
I'm curious for what the £70k was intended? If they're strapped, why not 100k for 5%, ya know. It adds 1/5th the money in the business plus experience and guidance. Then you can work on a deal say 20% with a buy back once investment is repaid. They'll get diluted anyways.
@ThiagoBenazziMaia
11 ай бұрын
The smile when they left just show they were just looking for some marketing for free.
@azmanntoz
Жыл бұрын
There’s something very Theranos about this pitch.
@PORCHMANKEY
Жыл бұрын
How so? Theranos had scientists go in after the fact and fake results.
@anassabir1051
Жыл бұрын
deborah was very respectful
@rickm6232
Жыл бұрын
Taj is into health supplements. Man, he has tea bag eyes.
This product is great for people who suffer with gum disease. They need to go to the dentists to get exact percentage of their plaque. With nhs on a downfall and private dentists costing a bomb. This product could have been designed for sufferers of gum disease- BUT needs to be more affordable
@bentones1701
11 ай бұрын
Literally what Touker said…
@thealien_ali3382
Жыл бұрын
Should have negotiated to 25% he already gave 30% and that was a good deal
@Chrissyrozenot
Жыл бұрын
They probably don’t have enough equity
@iChannelz88
Жыл бұрын
They probably weren’t even interested in an investment to begin with, they most likely only wanted the exposure
@mrhaltonok
Жыл бұрын
This might be that time when it’s not the case - close to having to shut it down, no products actually on sale, six month wait til the episode was on tv, they must have walked in knowing that without more cash they’d not be around by the time people saw the episode
@MrZeldion
Жыл бұрын
Exposure to what? They have 20k In the bank, they haven't even started selling the product yet. There are cases where some people want exposure but this isn't it, they are obviously desperate for investment
@iChannelz88
Жыл бұрын
@@MrZeldionFree exposure to the masses for their product. I don’t know how this was cut but it came off like they made a ridiculous evaluation on purpose and wouldn’t budge. For someone to get a return on a £70k investment on 2-3% is going to take an unreasonably long time unless they’ve invented something revolutionary. it didn’t seem like they showed any projection of sales and revenue to give an estimate of when they’ll make a return on their investment and only relied on how other companies have valued their companies. So to me it seems like they intentionally showed up with an impossible business proposal just to get on TV to drive people to their social media and website. That’s also something they also can use for their benefit next time they pitch this product that they gotten exposure from Dragons Den and actually received an offer.
@onlyinthailand88
Жыл бұрын
@@iChannelz88I agree , people don't realise how many company's have made money just by appearing on dragons den. It's clear they didn't want an investment. 70k when they gone through half a million already, ridiculous
@IAmTheJayster
Жыл бұрын
Sara really destroyed their subscription model
@maszimz
Жыл бұрын
The most annoying thing is, TS made an offer on this😂
@ciscoworld322
Жыл бұрын
He knew they wouldn't accept it. You could read it from his face.
@montu94
Жыл бұрын
It would actually be a great tool for dentists.
@vibesbynae4860
Жыл бұрын
The vibe coming out of those two is offfff, I had to wear a mental shield too finish watching it
@AB-ib6me
Жыл бұрын
No one: Touker: I don’t get out of bed for that
@shaz3428
Жыл бұрын
Lmfao
@mohammedpatel3537
Жыл бұрын
How does these guys calculate there business at £2.7 million, need the formula
@dgispr-e5w
Жыл бұрын
“dosh” 😂😂😂😂 pretty educated..
@The_drone_viking
Жыл бұрын
I use an App to check to see if I need to brush my hair or not, only costs $30/month
@TheManInBlueFlames
Жыл бұрын
Sounds good.
@SG-ve7zz
Жыл бұрын
lol!!!
@onlyinthailand88
Жыл бұрын
Bargain
@Squish-TheUrbanScribe
Жыл бұрын
Is it just me or were their personalities a little off-putting?...Especially when Deborah was making valid points. Their final offer was plain disrespectful!
@mohammedjafer9265
Жыл бұрын
I see it too wonder if they are that nervous
@travisdk84
4 ай бұрын
she was so proud of her elevator story and that was her go to business story. Oh wow you sold ice cream to children
@tinowichura8965
4 ай бұрын
You can see very early that Tej just thinks it's a waste of time based on the valuation
@AwesometownUSA
3 ай бұрын
Low interest rates over the past decade made tech bros lose all sense of the realistic value of money - and a lot of them are cosseted rich kids who never even had that sense to begin with.
@Mike-jl2kp
Жыл бұрын
Debra was just going through the motions with her questions, she was clearly not investing once Peter went out
@Chamseibnmasood-qn4me
Жыл бұрын
offered 70k for 30% of there business , by one of the greatest guys in the business and they offer him 3.6% they should have taken it that was a very good deal.
@PortlandMan
Жыл бұрын
Touker: I'll offer you 30%. Entrepreneurs: Would you consider 0.3%? Touker: No.
@Noelhall88
Жыл бұрын
😂
@That_Guy78
Жыл бұрын
The 30% was a very generous offer. I was thinking more along the lines of 100% would be reasonable.
@johnmightymole2284
Жыл бұрын
They should have taken Touker's offer.
@brandmotivo
Жыл бұрын
They couldn't take the offer because they didn't have 30% to give away.... read between the lines, they've had so much investment that they most likely owned less than 50%.
@ukseverestormchaser
Жыл бұрын
@@brandmotivo I think dilution for earlier investors is the only option. Without Touker this company will almost certainly go bust. Deborah was on to something. How many times would you realistically do this? Once a month? Then you would buy the £2 option she was on about that would last you over a year rather than spending £100+
@thegamersden4824
Жыл бұрын
At the end of the day a .99 cent toothbrush will remove all plaque on a daily bases.
@tnmrepointing
Жыл бұрын
you can get all new teeth for that in turkey lol
@shaunohagan1491
Жыл бұрын
I just can't see this being used by enough people tbh. simple things like tooth picks and dental flossers are good enough.
@scienceevolves4417
Жыл бұрын
Indeed they sold none since this was broadcast
@pragmafunds
Жыл бұрын
It may good for dental professionals.
@user-bb6eh5kd5d
Жыл бұрын
Howa’s attitude damn, and this technology/ product is not new - it’s available in America ,
@dodihoza7859
Жыл бұрын
They were looking to cocky
@bungobaggins5837
Жыл бұрын
*too
@catman4471
Жыл бұрын
@@bungobaggins5837 I hope that's what was meant, I mean 'looking to cocky' has a completely different meaning!
@mrx702
Жыл бұрын
I think they were chancers, not really serious about investment.
@jasonm4332
Жыл бұрын
SUPER confidant , SUPER smart ladies however not smart enough to take Toukers offer. No one is going to buy this on an ongoing basis
@peterd788
Жыл бұрын
No one is going to buy it on any basis. Disclosing tablets cost nothing.
@Noelhall88
Жыл бұрын
@Peter D Exactly. I would love to see what the numbers are like on how many people actually use disclosing tablets at home on a regular basis. I can't envision a market for this at all
@TheManInBlueFlames
Жыл бұрын
Except me.
@joewas2225
Жыл бұрын
They're not smart otherwise they would've taken the offer.
@cwang6951
Жыл бұрын
They hinted that they didn't have 30% to give away, talking about the structure of how they've raised capital etc.
@KabbaModern03
Жыл бұрын
Respectfully, they’re not really solving a major problem. I brush my teeth twice a day and use whitening strips every other week and my teeth stay extremely white, I haven’t had plaque since a child. Using an app is definitely overkill. With a valuation like that, barrier to entry, this isn’t investable. Respectfully.
@007kash007
Жыл бұрын
Have you not seen the state of the average British persons teeth?
@badgasaurus4211
Жыл бұрын
@@007kash007 This will do nothing to help them. Get in the dentist, become motivated, an app telling you there is a problem isn’t going to enable you to solve the problem or give you the motivation to do so. It’s a shameful grift
@TheManInBlueFlames
Жыл бұрын
It wont enable you but it will be a step forward.
@KabbaModern03
Жыл бұрын
@@007kash007 😂 you’re right - I’m in America, taking care of our teeth is a major plus. I wouldn’t buy an app for an easy problem to fix though. They’re over complicating it in my opinion lol.
@brandmotivo
Жыл бұрын
@@badgasaurus4211 Spot on comment. Thumbs up.
@senseitoxina5098
5 ай бұрын
Why is there a glass wall inside the lift?
@Lakishia
4 ай бұрын
covid
@BDogs10
Жыл бұрын
Who really wants to know the level of plaque 1%>5% whatever?. Let’s just assume we ‘all’ have a level of plaque, that needs tending too. Go to the dentist they can check & sort it out. This is ridiculous
@peterd788
Жыл бұрын
Why not use disclosing tablets?
@rocksen9283
Жыл бұрын
Exactly
@bobstirling6885
Жыл бұрын
But that would be too easy and cheap....
@ShawaebTee
Жыл бұрын
what a trainwreck
@amanihutchinson9406
Жыл бұрын
I don't know if its the nervousness but their attitude stinks🤣🤣
@vibovitold
Жыл бұрын
Nobody asked - how do they know these figures (that the app comes up with) are even accurate? Has the product been clinically tested? Or is it just entertainment, since they can't make any health-related claims? In the latter case, good luck getting dentists on the board
@thedunyadoneya2628
Жыл бұрын
The reason nobody asked is because it appears to have been "verified" already. At 1:30 they outline whats been done, including patenting, algorithms and branding. All areas that would have raised the question much earlier than this stage.
@Twm532
Жыл бұрын
@@thedunyadoneya2628 None of those proves it works. When you apply for a patent they don't test if the product works
@wrightcarl1181
Жыл бұрын
I hate it when people say quid and k, it's unprofessional
@Yeah_bruv
Жыл бұрын
Selling ice creams at lunch time? Lol.
@MLife1972
Жыл бұрын
I don't get it. It sounds like they haven't invented it. They've just spend a shed load of money buying someone else's tech and want to licence it out?
@richtexas4431
Жыл бұрын
Their plan was “let’s just wing it”
@cranegantry868
Жыл бұрын
Pre-revenue (no income yet) valuation at 2.7 million. Hahahahahaha, bizarre!!!!!!
@roblancs
Жыл бұрын
"I want 70 K". Try seventy thousand pounds, dear.
@dazediss6629
11 ай бұрын
Some of the best bits of this clip; - we’ve spent half a million pounds of other peoples money. - we’ve sold none. - we value it at 2.7m.
@Budz11
Жыл бұрын
I'm sure the market for people who are obsessed about the percentage of plaque on their teeth can't be very high
@rudolphteperberry3888
Жыл бұрын
So many people on here seem to value their business based on future potential. It makes no sense! If the stock market was valued like that then nobody would ever make any money. It has to be based on current value, then the investor puts money in, helps it grow to that future potential and thus makes a return on their investment!
@mikepeet4493
Жыл бұрын
Girl thinks I’m gonna believe she took ice cream to school to sell at break time lmao
@danjwalker
Жыл бұрын
But she made a lot of Doge coin off of it!
@chittachatter
6 ай бұрын
I'll believe that before I'll believe either of them has a biomedical engineering degree. 😂 (I looked them up. They're hilarious.)
@Boxingreact
Жыл бұрын
What did they spend 450k on ridiculous 😂!! And only left with 20k madness
@shadaba.qureshi4367
Жыл бұрын
2.7 million is nothing, if this tech can be approved by NHS or similar govt agency. this uses same procedure like an OPG (Orthopantomagram) xray dental machine for mouth. This is a real good self-care dental app... They have got a good exposure on DDen i'm sure they'll see success pretty fast.
@IAmTheJayster
Жыл бұрын
It is a terrible idea and they have sold none since this
@TheManInBlueFlames
Жыл бұрын
It's a good idea, just the way it's made.
@brandmotivo
Жыл бұрын
You just won the 'most stupidest comment award'.
@jasperpike242
Жыл бұрын
its RUBBISH folks
@esfandiarisina6632
Жыл бұрын
I am dentist and this will not work for sure, it does not value anything unfortunately!
@becg9438
5 ай бұрын
Glad Debra said about a plaque disclosing tablet. Remember doing this is science class lol. Blue teeth for everyone... You can also but denta l scalers really easily. Seems a bit pointless to me 🤷
@Shrooms-up6sv
Жыл бұрын
Touker" I'm in the oral market" Dude, we don't need to hear about what you pay for after hours.
@sacer666
Жыл бұрын
They were so not there to get an offer.
@bobstirling6885
Жыл бұрын
Well they didn't take one and are still not launched 4 years later....a business idea that is burning money with no revenue - just looking for more suckers to fund their lives.
@sweatysock1174
Жыл бұрын
Junk. Deborah annihilated the idea. If someone wanted to check the plaque on their teeth they could buy those tablets for 2 pounds.
@badgasaurus4211
Жыл бұрын
If you’re that concerned about getting every last bit of plaque off your teeth, just buy some disclosing solution/tablets. This is nonsense and impractical
@TheManInBlueFlames
Жыл бұрын
But they're drugs.
@badgasaurus4211
Жыл бұрын
@@TheManInBlueFlames This isn’t a solution
@theoriginalrecycler
Жыл бұрын
Nobody seen the disclosure tablets?
@YOUSSEFLAMRINI-f1n
11 ай бұрын
i was expecting that they will buy it, but the evaluation was not connected to the real world
@moogleking
Жыл бұрын
I don't get out of bed for that
@samanderson1188
11 ай бұрын
They were clearly there for the publicity only. They did not want any of the dragons on board to begin with and we’re deliberately trying to make this pitch noninvestible. If I had to take a guess they may want to showcase this product to the world and hope that some big corp buys it out from them for millions.
@zammo1036
11 ай бұрын
People always say this but it makes zero sense.
@adamlacey81
Жыл бұрын
During this pitch, Evan Davis spent the whole time narrating from under the floorboards and burst out for air beneath Deborah's chair after they cut filming.
@jakecooper5855
Жыл бұрын
That's awful. It's not even a joke and definitely not funny. Give up
@adamlacey81
Жыл бұрын
@@jakecooper5855 aww bless.
@Bull_sheet_Bob
Жыл бұрын
Their dragons den appointment was at 2.30 (Tooth hurty) Wahhhey...
@green_firefly
2 ай бұрын
Show of hands: Who would use this more than 2 times? Onaria Techonloy is now >30k in debt.
@Truthseeker6859
Жыл бұрын
I wouldn't buy toothpaste off them.
@marzy2009
11 ай бұрын
I like the product idea but the cost is too much
@Gumden
Ай бұрын
Solution for a problem that doesn't exist - just spend the money to go to the dentist to get it removed.
@patobrien6364
Жыл бұрын
two cocky madams creating a solution to a problem most insurances cover adequately
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