Damn just Imagine how turned up the meetings of the public prosecutors must have been. They probably listened to the whole discography of Thugga at once.
@youtubefriends384
10 ай бұрын
whole discography?? sign me up!
@l3dcobra120
10 ай бұрын
The best part is imagining some of the lawyers trying not to make the stank face bumping young thug around a meeting table
@crenshaw_white5888
10 ай бұрын
Fr they went through that 2015 to 2017 run and I know they was like “damn we about lock this guy up for good“
@evilpoop101
10 ай бұрын
If they did leaks and loosies too thats actually insane lol
@el.blanco8961
10 ай бұрын
They were lit taking notes😂
@owensthethird
9 ай бұрын
You have the right to just adlib. You have the right to a producer. If you cannot afford a producer, you will be provided one by the record label. Anything you rap can and will be played for you in the club.
@Peculiarmuzik
9 ай бұрын
Inserts Law and orders “dumb dumb” jingle
@JackieLombardi
9 ай бұрын
"You have the right to a producer" is doing me in for the final time
@loganpause4517
10 ай бұрын
This guy Rico is pretty upset huh
@darealjoff19
10 ай бұрын
Who the fuck is Rico is why is his act so important???
@acttragic
10 ай бұрын
Hes so mean they call him rico nasty
@gf6x3gkmfw38
10 ай бұрын
Rico wasn't feeling so Suave
@mxchael_0385
10 ай бұрын
My old general manager was called Ricardo and went by Rico, this was a funny comment cos he was always pissed off 🤣🤣
@cartilagehead6326
10 ай бұрын
According to legend, the guy who drafted the act was watching “Little Caesar” and deliberately coined RICO as a backronym.
@ardynites1733
10 ай бұрын
This goes a lot deeper than you seem to understand. These lyrics are a tiny, tiny part of the evidence. All they being used for is to HELP prove that YSL is a criminal organization that exists. It’s not like anyone is going to be convicted off these lyrics alone.
@josephbartholomew
10 ай бұрын
Yeah and tbh I'm ok with that
@abrahamjoyal4491
10 ай бұрын
It still sets a legal precedent which can be super harmful. Say you’re a 17 year old with a SoundCloud where you say some wild shit about being in a gang that isn’t true and you get arrested. Now a cop can point to the young thug case, pull up your SoundCloud and use your music to coerce a false confession out of you by threatening a gang enhancement to your charge or convincing you that they already have enough evidence. And these sort of tactics work on innocent people too.
@redbulldrinker1784
10 ай бұрын
the point is that this type of "evidence" should be dismissed in a court of law
@hellboy30098
10 ай бұрын
@@abrahamjoyal4491this is simply not true. The lyrics can be part of a bigger picture but not as a regular SoundCloud rapper. Additionally you aren't a part of a gang, you wouldn't even be in the crosshairs of the law. It's more of a cherry on top rather than an admission of guilt
@abrahamjoyal4491
10 ай бұрын
@@hellboy30098 cops use famous cases to coerce people, and judicial decisions make legal precedents that are difficult to overturn. The question isn’t just “does this make the case against young thug stronger”, it’s “do we want to live under a legal system where lyrics can be used against an artist”. Even if it makes sense in this case, it’s obviously prone to abuse in others
@Trashious12345
10 ай бұрын
Michael Jackson said he was bad 34 times in one song and yet he never went to prison. This is ridiculous.
@gavrilloprincip6787
10 ай бұрын
You can't be that dense
@EliasInTheCrib
10 ай бұрын
White privileges hehe boy💀💅
@winlover37
10 ай бұрын
@@gavrilloprincip6787I should be asking you
@josephbartholomew
10 ай бұрын
However he was in fact bad. Courts found out that being bad alone was no crime.
@daviduribe5897
10 ай бұрын
@@winlover37LMAO someone had to say it
@jaylegleiter6669
10 ай бұрын
Honestly, I am shocked to hear Mr. Thug is having legal troubles.
@Mack_Worlds_Media
9 ай бұрын
“Mr. Thug worked a 9-5 and has a PHD in Thuggery. These allegations are PREPOSTEROUS Your Honor”
@T9K66
9 ай бұрын
Your honor, THUG stands for ‘truly humbled under god’. How could this innocent man of god be guilty?
@MikeStu
10 ай бұрын
truly a rapp snitches moment
@Soulkinthehuman
10 ай бұрын
@@ocelotgg1803Sit in the court and be their own star witness.
@untitledIII
10 ай бұрын
@@Soulkinthehumando you see the perpetrator? Yeah Im right here
@vau_st
10 ай бұрын
@@untitledIII Fuck around and get the whole label sent up for years
@allah9896
10 ай бұрын
stop.
@Donyourmom
10 ай бұрын
@@untitledIIIfuck around get the whole label sent up for years
@cadavison
10 ай бұрын
Former prosecutor here: this evidence would be presented along with other evidence. It could circumstantially corroborate the other evidence. They are admissions of a sort. But they would not be seen as sufficient proof alone. It would be an error of law to allow a jury to interpret them out of context.
@tayteyoung3831
10 ай бұрын
Considering the Vague nature of the bars wouldn’t using them as evidence serve more to paint Thug and YSL as unrepentant criminals than to prove that he committed the crimes he’s been accused of
@gotworc
10 ай бұрын
Yeah exactly
@acogkill66
9 ай бұрын
makes sense I would never have guess that
@User-b9q2z
9 ай бұрын
Legal jargon is such a weirdly scummy thing. Like even the simple paragraph you just typed is sounding like a collegiate essay. It just doesn't seem fair for the practice of justice to be purposely designed so that the common person can't understand it
@cadavison
9 ай бұрын
@@User-b9q2z I know the big words are scary. All the language used has a very specific meaning so it is as precise as possible. Its weird that you would call it scummy and also compare it to "collegiate" school work, like theres something unethical about school work. Its ok for things to be difficult and technical when they are very serious.
@dajuiceman8870
10 ай бұрын
The lyrics are not the sole evidence they have on YSL; they are supplementary to demonstrate to a jury that the group felt emboldened to continue their crimes and brag about them publicly on their songs. Thug is literally on tape discussing several shootings, which makes up most of the evidence the prosecutors have.
@kallmeej9106
10 ай бұрын
This is true, but it still feels like a slippery slope. I know that's a logical fallacy but I don't trust the justice system. Idk what the precedent is wrt rap lyrics as evidence, but in a common law system, this is a shift, no?
@udontknowme00
10 ай бұрын
nobody (who isnt dumb) is arguing that he didnt do that shit, we just dont like the precedent that using lyrics as "evidence" sets
@dajuiceman8870
10 ай бұрын
@@udontknowme00 There is no precedent? Name me one instance where someone has actually been arrested / charged from rap lyrics alone with no other compelling evidence.
@MaxMiller94
10 ай бұрын
Unless the lyrics are like that one Key and Peele sketch, they shouldn't be admissible. For a lyric to be used in court, it should have to demonstrate knowledge of the crime that would only be known to someone involved in it.
@ericfellner2689
10 ай бұрын
@dajuiceman8870 This sets a precedent of lyrics being used as evidence. The issue is the trajectory this can lead to.
@fonttalk8065
10 ай бұрын
Imagine if any death metal lyrics made it into a court case, murder trial of the century
@ckorp666
9 ай бұрын
some of those early black metal guys should've gotten this treatment
@FreezingmoonDSBM
9 ай бұрын
Varg should have been jailed before he got the chance to murder anyone because of the clear admission in Chainsaw Gutsfuck.
@FreezingmoonDSBM
9 ай бұрын
He also should have been jailed for being a pretentious little bitch boy
@thewirah1
4 ай бұрын
Death metal singers don't shoot each other.
@PasteurizedLettuce
3 ай бұрын
@@thewirah1boy do i have some news for you
@saturnstar718
10 ай бұрын
Defense: "Your honor, my client has a ghostwriter. Those aren't his bars. They are all from Chatgpt." Judge: "Oh, case dismissed." Slime free!
@LL-bi9pc
10 ай бұрын
youtube asked me to give your comment a rating and with explanation what did you do for them to ask me that 💀😭
@saturnstar718
10 ай бұрын
Yea, I'm a botted account. @@LL-bi9pc
@julianholland4009
10 ай бұрын
Send the ghostwriter to jail
@joshentertainment2
10 ай бұрын
@@beaualoevvhow you know
@richardtran9211
10 ай бұрын
@@beaualoevv 17 year old botted acc lets go
@JayLiszte
10 ай бұрын
“It’s just words detective…. They just happen to be in a dope order” - Jordan Peele.
@NicFlicksRL
10 ай бұрын
Young Thugs only chance is to preform the songs in the courtroom to the jury
@poop_storm
10 ай бұрын
Like that video of Bobby Shmurda rapping for the executives in a business meeting
@gliiitched
10 ай бұрын
Like R Kelly did in the Boondocks
@Grnvolpe
9 ай бұрын
That’s a “guilty” from me dawg
@User-b9q2z
9 ай бұрын
I'd give anything to see him perform "Drippin" to a jury, you know the part I mean
@sammyall9091
9 ай бұрын
Get the tapes useem for a video bam next mill
@NCbassfishing24
10 ай бұрын
That Key and Peele sketch about the rapper's murderous "concept album" has become real life.
@_azurejake
10 ай бұрын
Reminds me of that Key & Peele skit where the rapper confesses his crimes on his songs 😂😂
@ficus3929
10 ай бұрын
Gunrack absolute classic lol
@TheSkaOreo
10 ай бұрын
Exactly what I was thinking about
@titicaca.
10 ай бұрын
"I got an alibi, birthday, red lobster, when in reality i shot darnell like a mobster its a lie, anyone could tell this, if you know about my allergy of all shellfish"
@deuscast
10 ай бұрын
"This is my confession, admissible in court, I killed Darnell Simmons for sport!"
@anonymous71207
10 ай бұрын
A gun of the long ass variety
@finegoldstones
10 ай бұрын
This video should be called "Guy who grew up in the suburbs and has absolutely zero law experience tries to tell everyone about the purpose of gang rap lyrics and what is/isn't worthy evidence in a court case"
@MaxOverthruster
10 ай бұрын
Hell yeah get his ass Colin
@metatron803
10 ай бұрын
nigga you literally called colin 😭😂
@finegoldstones
10 ай бұрын
@@metatron803 Exactly, do u see me trying to discuss gang-related rap lyrics on my massive platform? Fuck no! I know my place lmao
@metatron803
10 ай бұрын
@@finegoldstones anthony married a black queen tho.
@finegoldstones
10 ай бұрын
@@metatron803 Not all black people know the intricate roles that rap plays in relation to gangs and gang culture. I'm not saying he's racist lmao. I'm just saying he's talking out his ass
@chillepalmerz
10 ай бұрын
Should have called himself Young Upstanding Citizen
@T9K66
9 ай бұрын
Thug stands for truly humbled under god. His lawyer actually said this in court with a straight face 😂
@freshskittles92
3 ай бұрын
PUSHIN P PUSHIN POSITIVITY
@Boonesman
10 ай бұрын
5:09 "if maybe instead they had recordings of Young Thug saying this stuff in more detail or backing it up, let's say over a phone call, then maybe that would make more sense." They do. They do have that. The lyrics are not standalone evidence, they are supplemental.
@KING17626
10 ай бұрын
5:06
@bradleye660
9 ай бұрын
Fantano needs to stick to music reviews because he has no idea what the fuck he’s talking about when it comes to politics or the legal system, both of which he’s tried to voice his opinion on.
@JoshuaLaGuardia-uw6jk
9 ай бұрын
no they do not😹 it’s literally just lyrics, that’s why it’s a weak case. but they don’t wanna let him go so they dragging it on purpose. if they can use lyrics he could go into his other lyrics and find something positive
@jordishima
9 ай бұрын
@@JoshuaLaGuardia-uw6jkbecause when you find a needle in a haystack (something positive in a whole lot of negative), naturally that means you’ve actually been searching through a stack of needles the whole time
@curtisparker2651
10 ай бұрын
It's a RICO case which probably means they already had more than enough evidence of wrongdoing to begin with. They build up these cases concretely early on. They're probably using the lyrics to sway the jury, as evidence of a lack of remorse or of pride for crimes that they already have evidence for them committing.
@kid_gen
10 ай бұрын
Precisely. A lot of people are missing this point. They don't even really need these lyrics, but it probably bolsters the narrative that is being built. YSL members (like Gunna) have already admitted that YSL is a gang, and that they used money from music to fund the gang. They prob have text messages, social media posts, and videos tying it all together. I mean, it's just silly really, at the end of the day if your lyrics match the events of a real life event, it's no longer "art." It's literally just a journal entry with a cool beat in the background.
@keystohellanddeath
10 ай бұрын
They can be used to corroborate any crimes he has been charged with, and also possibly as statements in furtherance of a conspiracy. So I agree with you. You can't use rap lyrics to say "see, he raps about murder, so obviously he murdered someone;" that would violate Rule 404.
@Alan.livingston
10 ай бұрын
@@kid_gen not to cast too wide a net over the artists in this genre, but you could safely assume these guys aren't exactly criminal masterminds.
@mckinleyostvig7135
10 ай бұрын
Doesn't matter because this still sets a precedent.
@curtisparker2651
10 ай бұрын
@@mckinleyostvig7135 Supplemental evidence is not new. The point is that the court already has evidence of crime with or without the lyrics.
@vietimports
10 ай бұрын
1) rappers want to be seen as "real" 2) rappers cry when their lyrics are used to prove their "realness"
@LeDardeursPalace
10 ай бұрын
A wise man once rapped about being your own star witness and stuff. This song will never not be relevent.
@skywxlker_803
10 ай бұрын
MF DOOM 🔥
@jackjohnson5714
10 ай бұрын
@@skywxlker_803 you mean mr. fantastik (pure math)
@User-b9q2z
9 ай бұрын
@@skywxlker_803correct
@User-b9q2z
9 ай бұрын
@@jackjohnson5714also correct
@jango7889
9 ай бұрын
ermmmm all caps when you spell the mans name 🤓
@m.e.p.r
10 ай бұрын
These lyrics will obviously form part of a wider case against him. If he is found guilty via the other evidence against him, that's when these lyrics come into play. I'd wager that if found guilty he will be served a heavier sentence because he's bragging about the crimes he's now found guilty of and has profited from.
@henrygvidonas9573
9 ай бұрын
Bingo!
@wadekemmsies7180
10 ай бұрын
You know who else is screwed? People with mesothelioma, and if you or a loved one has been diagnosed, you may be entitled to financial compensation
@Kyle-fy9kt
10 ай бұрын
Real shit, get that mesothelioma money.
@jayem2156
10 ай бұрын
@@beaualoevvit’d take more than a minute to switch between 20 different alts mate
@ericforsyth
10 ай бұрын
@@beaualoevvYeah, I've seen random comments on videos with 4 comments get hundreds of likes within minutes of posting. Often they're just a copy of an already existing comment, as well
@DustBinny
10 ай бұрын
This shouldn’t have made me laugh as hard as it did but then again I’ve had a shit day so thank you for the good laugh 😂
@kefkapalazzo1
10 ай бұрын
@@beaualoevvwhat
@benda2483
9 ай бұрын
finally a celebrity being held accountable for their crimes
@alexxgaigler6098
9 ай бұрын
jail time shouldn’t be celebrated but rich powerful people being held accountable for doing terrible things to innocent lives should always be a win regardless
@favilamendez1715
9 ай бұрын
@@alexxgaigler6098theres no innocent lives going on here
@ryanprince5824
10 ай бұрын
"Mama, just killed a man." That's 25 to life, Freddie.
@TheNicopogo
10 ай бұрын
😂👏🏻
@wishiwassleeping8382
10 ай бұрын
If there was evidence that Freddie had killed a man and then he was bragging about it then it would make sense. The lyrics are far from the only evidence they have against him.
@perlundgren7797
10 ай бұрын
"Your Honour, that comma was actually a typo."
@wishiwassleeping8382
10 ай бұрын
@@snoozley853 they are using the actual evidence. The lyrics are being used to show his state of mind and to prove that it was organized crime. If they have evidence he participated in a murder and then have him bragging in a song about being part of a murder and getting away with it then the lyrics are extremely pertinent to the case. Freedom of speech not freedom of consequences.
@lydiawilder5996
10 ай бұрын
Generally the defense or prosecution are going to lead with their strongest evidence. If there is strong evidence, we would see it immediately. This is not me saying such evidence doesn't exist, it's me saying that we haven't seen it.@@wishiwassleeping8382
@tqnium2794
10 ай бұрын
if they took all of young thug's lyrics this seriously then he might as well plead insanity because no way is a jury gonna be able to sort out anything he's said about teletubbies and cups of water
@freshskittles92
3 ай бұрын
double cup featuring barney
@ludwigok4694
10 ай бұрын
"rapp snitches, tellin all they buisness, sittin in court, be their own star witness"
@henrygvidonas9573
9 ай бұрын
_Word to yo lawya!_
@gordonstearns2232
10 ай бұрын
I mean tbh I think it's fair to assume these are going to be used to establish Thugger's character as the sort of person who's likely to commit crimes, the case presumably wouldn't have gotten this far if they hadn't had a lot of more concrete evidence of the specific crimes they'd committed. I'm not saying it's a good idea to allow the lyrics to be admitted as evidence, the whole practice of establishing the character of a defendant is pretty problematic in general, but it strikes me as fairly ignorant to assume without further information that the prosecution is going to use this as evidence of any specific crime. Like, if you don't know that much about how trials work, it's okay to just not say anything about it.
@keystohellanddeath
10 ай бұрын
You can't introduce character evidence like that in court actually. It violates Rule 404; the defendant can introduce evidence of good character and then the prosecution is entitled to rebut it, but the government cannot introduce character evidence first. I said it in another comment, but the state argued the lyrics were admissible for several reasons, the predominant ones being actus reus and mens rea.
@ClaimClam
9 ай бұрын
young thug is just a persona or a character. Jeffrey is an honest law abiding citizen.
@gordonstearns2232
9 ай бұрын
@@ClaimClam I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, but it is true that, as Melon points out, most rappers in this genre will rap about committing crimes, and this may or may not have any actual relation to their real lives. Also, the attempt to establish the character of the defendant (which is technically not supposed to happen actually, but does all the time) is often just invoking racist stereotypes, trying to prompt the jury to see him as a dangerous Black man. So it is all problematic and bad, just not in the way Melon said.
@jordanslingluff287
10 ай бұрын
Dude they wouldnt be able to use these lyrics unless they were corroborate with other evidence. It shows hes bragging about it and goes to his state of mind, his intent.
@wishiwassleeping8382
10 ай бұрын
Exactly. So many morons in comments missing that fact.
@petrri323
9 ай бұрын
It’s a RICO. They already have all the evidence they would ever need and then some. The lyrics are usually just used to show a lack of remorse, or and understanding of the illegality of the crime. It’s a narrative building tool, not an evidential one used to prove guilt.
@zachthomas7440
10 ай бұрын
To quote his lawyer: “That’s cap tbh”
@DragonReaper1998
10 ай бұрын
Young Thug oughtta drop an song called "I'm innocent" to help his case.
@CompleteProducer84
10 ай бұрын
Opposing counsel: “Your Honor, permission to submit some lyrical evidence to the court” Their Honor: Proceed. Opposing counsel: “I miss you. I want kiss you. I want lick you. Pubic hair.” Nothing more, Your Honor.”
@auberginedreams00
10 ай бұрын
I mean they can’t just be like “he said he did a crime” and lock him away forever. But if it lines up perfectly with wire taps and other evidence, that’s a different story. I find it difficult to feel sorry for dude when he did a bunch of bad stuff and then bragged about it repeatedly. The lyric stuff is supplementary to more substantial evidence.
@arhan-
10 ай бұрын
this is why no one can ever pull RICO on the cocteau twins...
@MegaUtube99
10 ай бұрын
Fantano: I will never review Tory Lanez’s music again after what he did. Also Fantano: FREE YOUNG THUG!🗣️
@gobblegoblin
10 ай бұрын
Talent is a factor
@Nick_____Andriano.3
10 ай бұрын
@@gobblegoblin LMAOOO so because Thug makes better music we just ignore him acting like he’s fucking Tony Soprano and ordering people to be MURDERED??!
@SpareMango
10 ай бұрын
I like how at first he reads the lyrics he's like "this is stupid there's nothing here" then they get more incriminating as they go along
@princegobi5992
10 ай бұрын
Except they didn’t. Cite the one you think is supposedly so clear?
@squidward_tortelllini
9 ай бұрын
“i never killed anyone but i got something to do with that body” ain’t clear enough for you lil bro?
@TheseBitchesWantNikes
9 ай бұрын
@@princegobi5992we out here doin them crimes
@bradchad2645
9 ай бұрын
I was waiting for them to pull the shooting in lynx on just how it is
@420NEWYcod
10 ай бұрын
anytime rap lyrics are read out in court they always sound like ben shapiro reading WAP lyrics.
@wzrdmstr
10 ай бұрын
the lyrics alone are not hard evidence to convict him. but it supports their argument when he says he shot at his mommy and that was infact an actual thing that happened.
@t_ylr
10 ай бұрын
I hear what you're saying, but media literacy is at an all time low lol. I just don't trust a random jury member to understand the kayfabe of hip hop. And also a song isn't a news article. Sure you can def admit to a crime in a song, but lyrics aren't supposed to be a description of objective facts. They just an artistic expression. The lines are too blurry. Keeping it real the prosecutors don't know what rappers are talking about half of the time lol. They should not use lyrics as evidence.
@muttipi
10 ай бұрын
@t_ylr yeah, when i hear veteran of psychic wars by blue oyster cult I don't actually think that they are a cult of psychic warrior poets. The lyrics sound bad out of context and are optically bad, but they shouldn't be used as evidence.
@mike04574
10 ай бұрын
lawyers and judges know what they're doing@@t_ylr
@98loud
10 ай бұрын
@jessie6600 ah right so saying "I own a gun and unalive with it" means you should be connected with every shooting within a radius of your current location? no that's still fucking dumb unless they said "yo,yo, On may 12 1986 I unalived 3 people with a .38 caliber gun on the corner of Massachusetts and Grime" and spoilers that doesn't happen
@josephbartholomew
10 ай бұрын
@@98loud i think the person was just specifically talking about shootings that line up with things that actually happened, and enough follow-up with other things like it.
@user-wc9gb2tr9p
10 ай бұрын
YSL sounds like a nice jolly friendly gan- group of young men, I have no idea with the law would have an issue with such wholesome silly tounge in cheeck lyrics. There just a modern day jackson five just with more membe- pepeole.
@cowboy_dogg2124
10 ай бұрын
The point of RICO charges initially was to go against the mafia. Mafiosos would leave space between themselves and their underlings (especially for murders) for plausible deniability, instead only implying they wanted things done. RICO lets the state link the actors together in a “criminal enterprise” so even though the big guy didn’t actually kill someone, he can still be culpable. Imo, the point of these lyrics being used in court isn’t to be evidence for murder, but to show young thug thinks of YSL as a gang, and that he orders YSL members to kill people. It isn’t a crime or evidence for murder to say “ I killed someone” in a song.
@dsxa918
10 ай бұрын
Did you love, did you hate it? What would you rate it?
@kylegray3838
9 ай бұрын
so every record label is a gang? OVO is a gang? the police are the worst gang.
@T9K66
9 ай бұрын
Is this not common in the hip hop industry? Then they better get crackin then because I know a couple dozen more rappers/labels that talk like this. Courtrooms are about to be so turnt up with all these rappers bruh
@DavySolaris
10 ай бұрын
Is it me or is Melon's news coverage just getting worse and worse, with less attention to detail than ever? How could you possibly think these lyrics are being used as primary evidence sources, as his commentary is implying he thinks, thats literally not whats happening nor could it ever be, this is is so stupid
@juanticimo
10 ай бұрын
Melon has also completed his transformation to tugboat captain.
@CallMeMisterPibbs
10 ай бұрын
Young Tugg
@CousinCreepy
9 ай бұрын
He looks like a guy selling spaghetti sause.
@mrgrover39able
10 ай бұрын
The amount of Rappers that talk about crimes in their raps vs. the amount of rappers that have actually been charged or convicted of crimes due to their raps is pretty small. X-raided, MAC Dre, C-Bo…..I think it’s safe to say that he was doing some criminal shit.
@Nick_____Andriano.3
10 ай бұрын
kinda funny to see Melon cape for thugger because he likes his music, but couldn’t wait to dance on Tory Lanez’s grave when he got convicted just because he doesn’t enjoy his music. The irony is Thug ACTUALLY is responsible for the death of some people while Tory wasn’t.
@MaxOverthruster
10 ай бұрын
Hell yeah get his ass king
@Nick_____Andriano.3
10 ай бұрын
@@MaxOverthruster it’s just funny when people’s true intentions get exposed. The lyrics are like 3% of the actual evidence against Thug and YSL. They just further validate his crimes. I hate lyrics being used in court, but in this case I can kinda understand why. As for Tory’s situation, the evidence against him was foggy from the beginning. Melon just HAS to be King virtue at all times and pander whenever he gets the chance like the good woke king he is.
@ericbumbera664
10 ай бұрын
why people have any empathy for this clear and utter sociopathic criminal is beyond me.
@Lemaforthewin
9 ай бұрын
Isnt the same for other rappers/artists? Travis Scott is idolized so hard whilst people died at his concert where he wilfully ignored cries of help, Chris Brown is still idolized even after being an obnoxious fuck to a lot of people and abusing women, possibly sexually harassing women as well. You got Dre as well, you got Drake, etc. Half of the most famous bands were absolutely scummy during tours where they had sex with minors or drugged minors and so on. People are generally very submissive of the facts because "the music is dope bro". They do not even want to argue even though some crimes are horrendously horrible and you should never be taking lightly in any case nor in the future.
@nick-03
9 ай бұрын
cause u know him 🤡
@Prod.JseJms
9 ай бұрын
It’s called godless society
@RemyBeast
9 ай бұрын
Because they aren't the victims...
@axxa5000
9 ай бұрын
White liberal like fantano love this shit.
@juju-vl7oj
10 ай бұрын
I never killed anybody.. Oh that’s great to hear 😃 But I had something to do with that body. 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
@noclue3713
10 ай бұрын
I wonder if they would use metal lyrics about death, torture, gore, rituals in a court case against a metal band member 😂
@LoganNagol
10 ай бұрын
Yeah but it’s not like the music is being used in a vacuum. It’s part of a much bigger argument with other evidence by the state. Also Thug directly comparing YSL to a mob is pretty bad lol because that is exactly what RICO was made for lol
@Dandizz
9 ай бұрын
"Rap snitches, telling all their business Sit in the court and be their own star witness 'Do you see the perpetrator?' Yeah, I'm right here Fuck around, get the whole label sent up for years" -MF DOOM
@charlespeter5610
10 ай бұрын
“What crimes did Mr Thug commit?” “All of them, your Honor.”
@duanedoty6798
9 ай бұрын
Just want to point out that if a suspected serial killer had a bunch of brutal, sadistic sketches from their own notebook admitted at trial nobody would question the motive behind it
@Yes-Yes1
10 ай бұрын
The lyrics are contextual evidence, like a character statement. They are going to paint him in a specific light and tie the physical evidence to his character. I’m a fan of Thug, but it doesn’t look good.
@keystohellanddeath
10 ай бұрын
You can't do that. Character evidence violates Rule 404 unless the defendant admits it first. They're actually using it for proof of actus reus (guilty act) and mens rea (guilty mind). What this means is that they can essentially tie the content of the lyrics to actual facts in the case, and they show a state of mind that forms an element of the crimes charged. If this is true, Thug was literally just self-snitching in his songs.
@falloutboy691
10 ай бұрын
Rap snitches, Telling all they business, Sitting in court and be they own star witness, Do you see the perpetrator? Yeah, I'm right here!
@Alexd3498
10 ай бұрын
I think context is key here. There's lyrics that are clearly fictitious like slim shady or early tyler the creator, then there's shit like this which is rap snitch knishes
@KayButtonJay
10 ай бұрын
I can get why they’d submit it honestly. It’s weak evidence but it makes him look guilty so they’re throwing it in as insinuation. Personally as much as I’ve enjoyed Thug tracks, the dude isn’t someone to look up to. He’s done some bad shit and now he’s paying for it. At the very least it might make people be more honest and careful in their bars (either by not lying about fake bad actions or not sharing real bad actions).
@princegobi5992
10 ай бұрын
You say that last part as if it’s somehow a good thing for rappers to have to self censor themselves. Also, what did he do, provide evidence for that claim.
@shadow14805
10 ай бұрын
"(either by not lying about fake bad actions...)" In other words: pressuring singers and rappers to avoid talking about dark subjects in any manner, lest they be legally threatened and punished. I thought americans loved freedom of speech. Nevermind.
@asfalt6060
10 ай бұрын
@@princegobi5992 Thug probably done nothing directly, but is connected to many crimes in many ways. If we would not punish for being the middle man in crimes, ordering hits (which is one of the main accusations thrown against thug, and there are tapes to prove it) and all that, then most of the now convicted members of mobs/mafias would be still running around freely because of the lack of direct evidence
@KayButtonJay
10 ай бұрын
@@shadow14805 That’s not what that said at all. Being honest and careful does not equal silencing. And of course they could still brag about fake shit but they could also pay a price for it. Besides it’s not like Thug is getting locked away because of lyrics. The prosecution has a lot of genuine evidence of crimes. This is just sprinkles on a huge ass sundae
@shadow14805
10 ай бұрын
@@KayButtonJay "...and of course they could brag about fake shit but they could also pay a price for it." That is unconstitutional, violates free speech, and is the definition of silencing. If people are _not allowed_ to brag or talk about dark topics without legal repercussion, that voiletes free speech *defintionally.* The entire point of free speech, as it is defined in the constitution, is that you will _not_ be legally punished for what you say. Arresting people for saying things _you personally do not like_ is silencing and violates the 1st amendment. America should not be forced to legally abide by your personal tastes in music, you absolute karen. What's next? Do you want to ban violent video games as well? Might as well forcefully limit other forms of artistic expression. You people are absurd.
@Bynxandethan
10 ай бұрын
I think a good defense to this would be to mention Young Thug is known to freestyle all of his songs , he punches in , he doesn’t write. So it could be argued he’s not thinking about the what he’s saying before he says them. There are so many ridiculous young thug bars that are obviously fictional, so his lawyer should bring examples of some of the ridiculous things he’s said that shows he often says things that are ridiculous and untrue
@kaatheserpent1199
10 ай бұрын
Rap snitches, telling all their business Sit in the court and be their own star witness "Do you see the perpetrator?" Yeah, I'm right here!!!!
@muzimtolo7915
9 ай бұрын
DOOM foresaw it all
@weegee_hates_the_blind
10 ай бұрын
“This is my confession Admissible in court I killed Darnell Simmons for sport”
@FaithFallRepentGraceRepeat
10 ай бұрын
People need to grow up. Words are powerful. You can SAY whatever you want; song or not- just be prepared for the consequences. I don’t care about the slippery slope when you’re tearing down your community & you’re a menace to society. Get that slime off the streets! I’m raising impressionable children.
@POTATOEMPN
9 ай бұрын
bro sounds like he had a guilty conscience and wanted to confess. You will also find that a lot of the less famous serial killers did poetry with lyrics about their crimes.
@shenanigansforsure
10 ай бұрын
At this point they gonna have to use “I put that crack in my crack” as evidence too
@desertedham37
10 ай бұрын
objection your honor, I put that brack in my brack
@playstationskate345
9 ай бұрын
@@desertedham37"says here you do both"
@BigHotSauceBoss69
10 ай бұрын
Think about it this way. If a guy was rapping on a song about being a pedophile, but there was no evidence of him being one, we would all agree we can’t put him in jail, even if the song is in poor taste, not funny, cringe etc. But if there was evidence, AND he made the song, well THEN it kinda goes without saying….
@jfongborden1
9 ай бұрын
People are ignoring that the codependents are taking plea deals because of the mountain of evidence against them....not the lyrics.
@waynewalkerorg
10 ай бұрын
Anthony, it sounds like you're making the claim that ONLY these lyrics is what the prosecution is using in this case. Why do you have this assumption?
@brianmcgill1500
10 ай бұрын
“Rap snitches Tellin all they business Sit in the court and be their own star witness”
@RamsteinPoplaski
10 ай бұрын
Instead of creating false evidence like what happened with Judas Priest when 2 men killed themselves and the families accused the band of subliminally telling them to do it, Now the artists are straight up saying stuff that can be used against them in court.
@kadimdeberry7871
9 ай бұрын
Don't self snitch and call it entertainment when you get jammed up. It's really that simple, you get what you sign up for
@pepperypeppers2755
10 ай бұрын
Key and Peele did a sketch on this like 8 years ago. Now it's real life.
@Evan_Schaefering
10 ай бұрын
They were hardly the first. MF DOOM famously tackled the topic on Rap Snitches Knishes in 2004, and he was probably not the first either.
@Niclasla
10 ай бұрын
Im pretty sure they are using said lyrics to try and convince the jury that YSL is in fact a gang and not individual people committing some crimes. You have aspects in the lyrics that kind of imply that YSL has gang like structures. You have a form of initiation in there that says you need to kill someone to be part of the gang and the „we commit crimes together“ lyrics. I don’t think they are trying to prove that thugger or anyone else committed some sort of crime by showing these lyrics but as a whole increase their sentences by proving that YSL is in fact a gang and individual members need to be punished harder.
@firstlast9846
10 ай бұрын
“F*** your wife, your granny and child” I hope this bar is *never* used in court or he’s getting life 💀
@nao__channel
9 ай бұрын
happy to hear it honestly. like, thugs a multi millionaire, achieving the goals you and your peers dream of should be enough motivation to just leave the hood shit behind and actually live your life. another opportunity pissed away though i bet it was great while it lasted
@cococock2418
9 ай бұрын
Next time don’t wear a dress like some finnochio, he made our community look like penis consumers
@YerBrwnDogAteMyRabit
9 ай бұрын
I've thought similarly many times, and as much as you'd think they'd move on, part of it it is "you can take the boy out of the hood, but not the hood out of the boy". Seems ridiculous, but the psychology is basically they're still the same people, just with a bunch of money. Plus, it gives em lyrics. You'd think that once they make it out, they'd never look back, but more often than not, that's just not the case.
@Alexd3498
10 ай бұрын
What's very bad is the number of people he had brutally murdered, not what's bad for music. That being said, they could've picked farrr better lyrics than this
@Tyler_Wildman
9 ай бұрын
“I stroke my chin real slow when I’m lyin’!”
@kostyanatsoulis109
10 ай бұрын
I think that if the prosecutors can demonstrate that there is supporting evidence, relevance and probative value to the lyrics, it is ok to use the lyrics as evidence. If the lyrics are the "primary" evidence for a particular allegation of criminal misconduct or for the existence of the alleged criminal enterprise, then the lyrics should not be admitted because their prejudicial nature outweighs the evidentiary value. The judge seems to have said as much: "[the lyrics can be admitted] depending upon or subject to a foundation that is properly laid by the state or the proponent that seeks to admit that evidence.” This is not a blanket allowance to admit whatever lyric could be prejudicial. This is conditional upon a "foundation" that the state needs to establish prior.
@nateissogreat488
10 ай бұрын
They aren’t and Anthony is being disingenuous by portraying that they are. Like you stated, lyrics aren’t enough to charge, let alone convict someone of a crime. Of course there’s primary evidence. I’m not a lawyer or anything but based on what I know, you’d be surprised at what evidence is fair game once probable cause is established.
@keystohellanddeath
10 ай бұрын
They're also using it to demonstrate actus reus (guilty act) and mens rea (guilty mind). It's like Anthony didn't even listen to what the judge said when allowing the lyrics and just went off the headline.
@calebmcneil185
9 ай бұрын
The fact they are using lyrics to incriminate in court is crazy
@watkinry
10 ай бұрын
Johnny Cash killed a man just to watch him die and was never arrested.
@user-jr3zr2mp9c
10 ай бұрын
Cash stomped a dog and he never went to jail for animal abuse
@shotgunsam23
9 ай бұрын
There’s a big difference between Johnny cash saying “I killed a man just to watch him die” in a song and what young thug says. Johnny cash never actually killed a guy or served anytime in prison. The way it’s looking young thug did kill people and was clearly involved in violent crimes.
@user-jr3zr2mp9c
9 ай бұрын
@@shotgunsam23 there's a big difference between a joke and a serious comment
@concernedcitizen5988
9 ай бұрын
They would’ve locked Bob Marley up for his part in the Sheriff’s death with this type of nonsense
@42doodoochips
10 ай бұрын
At this point, I understand why mumble rap is a thing
@jslepx
10 ай бұрын
That joke would work if thug wasn't a mumble rapper
@deifiedtitan
10 ай бұрын
"I think he's confessing to something, but I can't understand what!"
@Evan_Schaefering
10 ай бұрын
@@jslepx Yeah really. I don't know where the phrase got started or who the first artist called that was, it was probably Future honestly, but the first time I remember it being used a lot was conversations around Thug's verse on Lifestyle.
@ianperry9598
10 ай бұрын
As others are saying, this is most definitely supporting evidence used to further insinuate his actions. I don’t know anything about the case but I’d imagine they have a lot more to go off of than just these lyrics
@MrKrk221988
10 ай бұрын
Young Thug's real name is Jeffery? GUILTY! LIFE IN PRISON!
@lucaspsm125
9 ай бұрын
not gonna lie some of these lyrics sound exactly like that Key and Peele skit lol
@NerdgasmDesigns
10 ай бұрын
If DOOM was alive right now....
@michaeljmyers1995
9 ай бұрын
Bruh having a ghost writer would be a perfect alibi. "My ghost writer put that in there to sound good"
@grimacebkfc
10 ай бұрын
yuno miles gotta watch his back now
@ftyropek
10 ай бұрын
just his grandma lol
@potofgoldd
10 ай бұрын
he bouta catch a rico from beefing with his grandma
@maximkammerer2813
10 ай бұрын
Can't wait for the trial against Carcass.
@FlameForgedSoul
10 ай бұрын
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. At this rate Hip Hop artists might have to do the unthinkable and start making deep, insightful, socially conscious music again.
@clarktownsend8991
9 ай бұрын
They better head to Martin Scorsese's crib and arrest him for 100's of mafia murders.
@roshango125ab
10 ай бұрын
I've been saying that Bob Marley should've been arrested for the shooting of the Sheriff for years now
@AndrewJReardon
9 ай бұрын
Obviously they need a lot more evidence than lyrics. Lyrics are weak evidence because they’re entertainment - you need physical evidence and corroborating witnesses. So the prosecutor really doesn’t give a fuck about the lyrics but to reinforce the other shit. The prosecutor wants any and everything that could sway a jury to be presented. That’s why they want it.
@mattkasper3271
10 ай бұрын
My sympathy is for the rappers who approach their music as an art form and not as a way to laundering money. Ideally the ones who are simply laundering ill-gotten gains would get hit by lightning all at once. Then maybe we can go, "Look, there is a god!"
@mommayp8353
9 ай бұрын
It seems like people are really misunderstanding the point of this video. The point is that if any form of lyrical expression is being used against a defendant in a court of law (EVEN if it is simply to corroborate evidence or demonstrate a lack of remorse), it can and will lead to a slippery slope. It sets a precedent that lyrics in a song convey guilt, no matter how ridiculous or embellished they may be.
@bboykman
10 ай бұрын
If lyrics are admissible in a court of law then i can't wait for a judge to fall to their knees when they realise kanye west is a god during a child custody case
@polymerizedrecords
9 ай бұрын
Thugger also rapped on "Pick Up The Phone": Mama told me don't hate on the law Because everybody got a job Because everybody wan' be a star (real shit, real shit)
@BobbyBobby-wi7kv
9 ай бұрын
If you kill someone and then write a book detailing it they will use the book in court, if you kill someone and then do a movie detailing that they will use the movie in court ,why do people think they shouldn't be allowed to use rap lyrics ?
@robeiur
9 ай бұрын
This country is such a joke. Is cartoonish. Legal system, health system. jail system (they get paid for prisoner) Like what?? Education system. All a joke.. like really? what a culture.
@Anthonycheesman33
10 ай бұрын
They are listening to his rap music more closely than the damn fans are lol .
@jesss.5864
9 ай бұрын
They about to put away Kendrick for fucking the world for 72 hours
@m_ali_0450
10 ай бұрын
Truly a 'Rap Snitch Knishes' moment
@yn.ft6973
10 ай бұрын
RIP DOOM
@h.r.parham1128
9 ай бұрын
I remember when Thug said that 3000 was wack! 3000 is releasing records of himself playing wind instruments, meanwhile Thug in jail smelling his cell mate breaking wind.
@ludabam241
10 ай бұрын
Going to be hard for them to decipher his INAUDIBLE lyrics
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