This point of view is way over due and thank you for taking the time to do it and explain it so well.
@JustMe-on3xs
2 жыл бұрын
I have a 107 street bob. That's plenty for me
@berube361
2 жыл бұрын
@@JustMe-on3xs That motor is a dog lol. Even when I had a stage 2 cammed 103 it couldn't get out of its own way. Harley makes underpowered bikes and sucks you have to spend so much just to make a little extra power.
@JustMe-on3xs
2 жыл бұрын
@@berube361 , I like all of the torque are cruising speed. I would say in 4th gear to 6th gear, is the best range that it cruises at. It's not meant to be super fast off a line, it's not a race bike, it's a cruiser. But I can overpass easily on roads or highways with plenty of pull the big motor produces.
@Stevel_
2 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately for many Harley riders it's more about the pose than the actual riding. Everything you said was spot on; i'd do seat and suspension first. 114 is MORE than enough power, hell so is the 88, 96, 103, 107, etc.
@gorkzop
2 күн бұрын
For most bike (especially cheaper Japanese bikes) suspension upgrades are nr.1 bang for the buck. Better handling,more control, and better comfort. You'd actually be faster with that as more power..
@pmh1nic
Жыл бұрын
I've riding for 45 years and recently purchased a 2022 Lowrider S with the 117M8 engine. Beautiful bike. Prior to this the most powerful bike I had was a Street Bob with the 103 and stage 1. The 117M8 gives you plenty of rope to hang yourself. The engine isn't the problem. The problem is a lack of respect for the power and the desire to test the limits. Taking the time to learn the bike and knowing the when/where/how that power can be safely applied is key. Rushing into power upgrades on a bike like this, especially for a fairly new rider, is a formula for bad things to happen.
@D-doggy77
4 күн бұрын
I did just that, straight from an xr650r which is a monster in itself to a stage 4 2023 low rider s. The thing is an absolute beast, I picked it up on Friday and I can definitely see how it could create huge problems for a new rider. Been riding it every day since then and every ride is a win. I feel more confident in my ability to be able to ride the bike in a respectable manner, hopefully without copping any speeding tickets because it has a 💩load of power all the way to redline.
@Hooijnbvn
2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely on point. Purchased my 2020 Road Glide Special and immediately took it over to Zipper’s Performance. I had Zipper’s go through in my opinion, and address in my opinion the Achilles heel weak of the M8, the cam and lifters. Out cam the oem cam and lifters, in went Fueling lifters and Zipper’s Redshift 468 cam. 8,000 miles later, flawless. The only reason I did this was for reliability. And yes, the bump to 115 hp and 135 hp didn’t hurt either. More than enough power, especially where the M8 lives 99% of its life, between 2,000 and 3,000 rpm. The Zipper’s Redshift 468 is just a proven torque monster well behaved cam under all conditions. Pulls hard from idle past redline. Ride safe everyone!
@PeterAngles-jq7gr
5 күн бұрын
So you admit you know Harley makes garbage that has a list of known defects Typical Harley owner
@tomreese8961
2 жыл бұрын
A guy told me a long time ago “if you want a fast bike then buy a fast bike” these engines aren’t built for high revs
@youmustbethistall5861
2 жыл бұрын
I think this vid contains some of the best advice I've seen when it comes to Mods. Fully agree that the priorities involve fitting the rider first. That might take like a year or two to adjust, ride and decide what your riding style is. Very short stature 2016 FLSS here, and at 62, I am a sedate, sober rider. Even after I made seat choices, I'm just now contemplating a simple lowering kit to bring my feet closer to the ground for just managing the weight of the bike when parking or backing it up. Only motor adjustments are V&H Short Shots and an FP3 tune to accommodate that with the Scream'n Eagle breather (stock on the 110 motor). Ride safe, make good choices.
@joehovanec1985
2 жыл бұрын
Finally, somebody talks sense about the horsepower race. Harley loves it when customers want and pay thousands for a few more horsepower. At one time having 40 horsepower in a 61cu. in. engine was a thrill. Enjoying the low-end torque of a Harley is where it's at.
@bobhoffman44
2 жыл бұрын
Physics 101--Torque moves mass... lol
@bbdl7042
2 жыл бұрын
To me this is a video too justify Harley’s shitty motors. 1500cc to not make a 100hp is a joke, nothing to see a 16 year old handle a little 600 just fine. Suspension is always first but when no power comes from the factory it’s a problem.
@stevexaxa3619
2 жыл бұрын
@@bbdl7042 maybe ride what you want.. just go straight to the ninja it’s they make the fastest production bike right now… my 117 cvo runs great… I have no problem with you riding something else… but thanks for your opinion
@stevexaxa3619
2 жыл бұрын
@Thomas B oh well because you say so I guess… I assume you ride a ninja?… because they are the fastest production bike .. ANYTHING else is under powered… you are entitled to your opinion even if it’s wrong
@stevexaxa3619
2 жыл бұрын
@Thomas B ohhhhh no… the most annoying are the sport bikes… who have to pass on double yellow line… who have to go 100 mph everyplace… and who love to rev and hit the rev limiter… EVEN THOUGH THEOR BIKE SOUNDS LIKE A WEED EATER GOONG TO EXPLODE… Harley do sound good
I think you’re right. A motorcycle that handles really well with less horsepower is far more fun to ride than machine that is overpowered. Like you say make it comfortable for you to ride, give it some decent tires, suspension and chassis. Then increase the power as you gain experience with that machine. These things have kept me safe and smiling on motorcycles for 34 years 😎
@ducati135
2 жыл бұрын
And I would add spending a little of that money on a good quality helmet - all the horsepower and torque in the world won’t mean anything if you crack noggin open.
@spartanx169x
Жыл бұрын
@Thomas B More fun TO YOU. What is fun and or enjoyable is highly subjective and dependent on the individual. In reading your comments, you seem to be struggling with that concept.
@TechnMoto
2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely agree. Too many want power and then get themselves into trouble on the road. Motorcycling is about the enjoyment of road, views and wind on your face. At least it is for me. Good info👍
@roadking681
Ай бұрын
Agree.
@oruwatching
2 жыл бұрын
WOW! That was some truth and wisdom. I've been riding for 55 years, where I live there are a lot of two-lane roads with lots of corners and lots of driveways. Danger, danger, danger! My 2004 Super Glide with a stage one is all I need. Can I go over the speed limit? Absolutely! But, what's coming out of the driveway around the corner that I can't see? They say most accidents are the rider's fault. I think more horsepower just adds to the problem. If you still duck walk your bike you don't need more power.
@mojomanmurph1925
2 жыл бұрын
Total agree with your last sentence. "If you still duck walk your bike you don't need more power."
@jimmansi1187
6 күн бұрын
100% agree, I also ride a Superglide, 2005, Stage one & for me, it’s plenty of power, super comfortable & a fantastic bike, never had any issues!
@chrisfaix6891
Күн бұрын
Learned the hard way, had a builder convince me to shove a 127" engine in my '87 FXR. It was no fun to ride, had to be careful on every launch and every corner, took away all its ride ability. going back to the EVO with a mild cam and a better fuel delivery. Now it's handling and riding better than ever with plenty of power that is ridable and not trying to kill you every time you launch. Great video advice!
@keithsuits430
2 жыл бұрын
Been riding nearly all my life. I’ve been riding HD starting with an 84 iron head, 93 heritage two road kings now back to a 2011 heritage 96 inch. Enjoyed them all. I have to agree even that 96 with some Vance and Hines exhaust and tuned is all the power I need. At 62 I’m just glad to still be able to ride a few hours and enjoy the journey. Totally agree with your point of view.
@harleyhawk7959
2 жыл бұрын
now 70, had my motor rebuilt on my 05. I told them I wanted a bullet proof motor not a raver.
@jackchristodoulou197
2 жыл бұрын
Come on dude at 62 you are just starting
@menjipaggao1898
2 жыл бұрын
Totally agree. Suspension, handling far outweighs the need for horsepower. Same age, not as quick and strong as in my 30's. I have my 2018 fatbob set up sweet with Bitubo suspension front and back, 475 cams, Tmax ECU and a free breathing exhaust. Thats all I need.
@TheWolfsnack
2 жыл бұрын
@@jackchristodoulou197 Agreed...from a 70 year old.
@dougfielding8215
2 жыл бұрын
I agree, I did the same with my '96ci Harley and it was all the power I needed, and still need (even though, now, I ride a Heritage 114). My 114 is overkill engine wise, but handles great.
@ApocalypseRider
2 жыл бұрын
100% agree. Finally someone stood up to say what many have thought for years.
@Hippy75
2 жыл бұрын
Really refreshing perspective. I do agree that there is a limit of useable power and here in the UK the roads are very unforgiving.
@alancrane4693
2 жыл бұрын
I know and speed cameras every where! Got the cruise control fitted because of the constant motorway speed change's best thing i added to the bike. Lowrider s 2021 117 kit brilliant staying in second gear around town villages so no extremely loud exhaust. Screaming eagle clutch really good lighter than standard clutch which helped against hand fatigue. Have not changed suspension as not needed for me but I do change the setting when I take a pavilion. Got to say that the lowrider s is well planted on our roads highly recommend checking that bike out if you ever going to change your motorcycle.👍✌️
@alancrane4693
2 жыл бұрын
Forgot to mention the comfort it's very very comfortable using HD sundowner seat 6inch pull back risers handle bar standard. Grit pegs forward control's detachable bag's very versatile bike and soaks up the potholes with ease.
@JoeyJoJoJr51
Күн бұрын
Always been happy with my Evo motor. Basically stock except for a Super E and Magnaflow pipes. It’s probably something unimpressive like 55HP, but it does the speed limit comfortably and is reliable, and that’s all I need.
@MKandKCCampbell
2 жыл бұрын
I’ve been riding for 25 years and I can’t really justify needing more than my 114 on a Heritage. Cruises at 80 like a champ.
@throttleblip9854
2 жыл бұрын
The Heritage is hard to beat all around. The handling of that bike is just so good. It does around town, it does trips. The Heritage is a lot of bike for the money esp the 114.
@jasonbreedlove495
2 жыл бұрын
100%. I had the HD cam in my FLHC and it just ran at all levels great, and can only imagine the 114. Recently traded for a 2021 RKS and that 114 in the touring frame is still wicked.
@thejakein7867
2 жыл бұрын
The 88 CI will also cruise like a champ. It's all relative
@IskateUphill
2 жыл бұрын
I have an 88ci ultra classic and just took it to the tail of the dragon. 600 miles one way just to get to the dragon. Bike rode flawlessly. My buddies left me behind cuz my bike wasn’t made for that but I had fun. I locked the back wheel up on moonshiner 28 hitting the brakes too hard. No abs. I also have a stage 2 heritage 114. Wish I would’ve taken it but we were gone for a week and I chose storage capacity cuz I only have the saddlebags on the heritage. Stage 2 power cam in a 114 shits and gets
@jackclancy5747
2 жыл бұрын
My 2021 114 Heritage Classic doesn't even know we are over 11,000 feet in the Colorado Rockies. I've been riding for over 50 years, missed a few years in the Army overseas.
@RiderXon2
8 күн бұрын
Excellent insight as a new Harley rider I really appreciate that and feel strongly the same way. Keep on dropping knowledge my brother!
@hauseradventures5278
2 жыл бұрын
While I understand what he is trying to say in his video. I upgraded my 2021 Fatboy with a stage 4 producing 129.9 hp and 149.8 TQ. For me I like to cruise and enjoy a smooth ride however I do enjoy racing any type of car, other cruisers, and sometimes sport bikes from light to light. Also the Vance and Hines big radius exhaust paired with the 131 sounds so good. The loping/chugging sounds practically like a 454 big block I use to have in a 70 Chevelle. Sounds like it will die while idling unless it gets that next sip of gas!
@harleyhawk7959
2 жыл бұрын
chugging that motor down is just killing it off
@hauseradventures5278
2 жыл бұрын
@@harleyhawk7959 a 517 cam is killing the motor? I don’t understand?
@Skidz75
2 жыл бұрын
I ride a 900cc Triumph Street Twin. It has nice power where I need it. I definitely don’t need any more to enjoy it. It has been great as my “return to riding” motorcycle. I too watch Robert Simmons videos. Nice shoutout! Great content brother!
And here I am keeping my bike stock cause it has more than enough power. Still stock since 2012. Can’t imagine having more power than I already have. 😎
@PeterAngles-jq7gr
5 күн бұрын
A zx14 has 50% more power than a pos Harley
@christiansanchez1486
2 жыл бұрын
Bro this is some of the best advice I’ve ever heard most guys will say “just do it, as long as you love it” more people need to hear sometimes more power isn’t better
@justdad53
2 жыл бұрын
Great advice. I've been riding and racing for just over 50 years. Lately I've seen a lot of riders on the street with 150 horsepower bikes that are better suited to 40 horsepower. Even at the drag strip and land speed racing . Jumping to 150 to 200 horsepower is huge and I've not seen many people capable of using or safely controlling that much horsepower. I'd rather me the master of 80 to 100 horsepower than a slave to 170 horsepower.
@dougfielding8215
2 жыл бұрын
We'll put.
@bigmike4788
2 жыл бұрын
I've been riding for over 30 years. A month ago I picked up a 2022 Road King Special. Before it left the dealer, I had a full Rinehart Exhaust, torque cam kit and a FP4 tuner installed. I ride the shit out of my bikes, I have only found the need to use all the throttle a couple times. Being a tall guy I added a tall boy seat and 16" apes as well. Last weekend I upgraded to the Legend Revo A rear shocks. After about 500 miles this week, I can say they are amazing.
@jakeb.1318
2 жыл бұрын
For the m8 I'd say a stage two for your regular joe is good, and if you ever needed to rebuild your engine then yeah go bigger screw it but right out of the box I feel like it's a waste to go full 131 for no reason. But if you got a sporty then I say hell yeah do a 1275 kit and let it rip🤷🏻
@arthurcamacho3495
2 жыл бұрын
LOL. With the exception of some TED talks this video, without a doubt is the most sane and practical video I have ever seen on KZitem. I have owned about 6 different Harleys but also raced super bike back in my day in the 90's. Friends tell me they are going to upgrade the horsepower and torque and spend an incredible amount of money and I would ask what are you going to do with all that horsepower? I then point out my old 2001 GSXR 1000 sitting in the back of my garage and tell them no matter how much money and horsepower you build on your Harley that $5000 bike over there will run circles around your $40k Harley. Great Video and message! Keep 'em coming.
@A-37Bdragonfly
3 күн бұрын
You are absolutely right.. must HD owners don’t not have the riding abilities unfortunately… I’m a retired motorcycle p/officer i seen this guys having a terrible time controlling their bikes
@h.d.mech.mortenson2098
11 сағат бұрын
It’s amazing how many riders don’t practise !! They still drag their feet and have to duck walk the bike.
@RedBeardVet93
7 күн бұрын
Every thing was on point. At one point I had a 114 and every weekend I was finding new ways to push myself and the power on the bike. Then I traded it in for a road glide with the 107. Even thou it’s a smaller cubic inch but I’m still finding new ways to get power without doing hard engine builds. Now I’m getting to the point on how I want to build it and slowly adding parts to push it further and efficient with each upgrade
@yourenotrelatable
2 жыл бұрын
A stock 114 wasn’t doing it for me. I fucking love my 131 on my Fatboy. I already want more out of it. I understand it’s not for everyone, just like I could never see myself riding a bagger.
@waltersylwesiuk7563
7 күн бұрын
Thank you for sharing your thoughtful insight regarding the horsepower, torque quest that has reached a point of questionable necessity. Yes, there will always be a person or persons that pursue the ultimate suicide murder cycle and that is cool for those that choose these ultimate customization. You are correct to say that most bikes are providing enough engine and thrill factor to make most pucker! I also admire that you suggested mastery of skills recommending slow speed maneuvers / practice. Personally, I own a screaming Eagle 110 and this provides enough excitement for the twisties and highways that we travel. Thank you with all our hearts for your thoughtful message, your energy and efforts to provide wonderful content to entertain and educate us all!!
@phineashenshaw
2 жыл бұрын
One of the complaints I had about the factory H-D ST models is the lack of suspension. I would have rather paid the extra money for a race suspension than a bigger engine. If it is supposed to be a performance bagger, why do I need a BoomBox GTS? The Low Rider is the best deal out of the 3 ST models. But the 117 is unnecessary. Worse, a 107 will do 150mph on a Dyno. But they put 130mph rated bias ply tires on it. Even the 117 is limited to 115mph. Then use 16 and 19" wheels. WTF. At least put 17" wheels on it so I can use sport tires!!!! To each their own. But I am glad I am not the only one. I traded in a 2018 Fatbob 114 for a 2020 Road Glide 107. The 114 on a Soft Tail was dangerous enough stock. I have way more fun with the 107. Flame on........
@CodyMcDonald89
2 жыл бұрын
I had to add a stage 2 kit on my 114” to actually have fun. It was very slow stock. Mines a 21 ultra
@michaelpatterson9897
2 жыл бұрын
Totally agree with you. I have an '18 SGS 107. Bars, seat and Legend rear suspension all done. I did go with the H-D stage 2 cam. That's enough. That's plenty. Love long trips and the bike is perfect.
@jacobhiggins1195
2 жыл бұрын
I did a stage 2 kit to my 21 street bob and that's all I'm doing for performance to my bike. It has plenty of power for me to have fun on! Honestly to me anything above doing a stage 2 kit and you risk having more frequent mechanical issues. That's my personal opinion.
@Dynachop420
6 күн бұрын
Depends if you do a better clutch and comp things stay pretty solid I’ve seen plenty of m8 engines with the stock fly wheel making 140 to 160 horse and still be reliable
@fs5866
3 күн бұрын
what does stage 2 even mean, why not just say what you exactly change on your bike?Stage 2 could be just like "i put red stripe stickers on it so now it has 10 more WHP!!!!"
@Dynachop420
3 күн бұрын
@@fs5866 it’s a cam dude not complicated
@raymondforet2662
2 жыл бұрын
At 75 with two artificial knees my riding days on two wheels are long over. After a 95 Classic triked out with the Motor Trike Trog kit I realized what I was missing for all those years of two wheeled "pleasure", stability and safety. Now I ride a 13 Ultra with the CSC Daytona kit and MY riding style is 0 to 75 at the most. I want torque, speed is not in demand. I like to arrive wherever I ride refreshed and ready to enjoy my "golden years". Thanks for the TRUTH 99% of us realize and practice. My condolences to the 1 % that need more.
@bj2294
2 жыл бұрын
Great video. You said it right, people don’t use the power they already have and to spend all that money on something that they won’t use is a waste. It’s mostly a case of one upmanship. I hope your friend took your advice.
@jacobmoll2878
2 жыл бұрын
Been talking with a friend about this for about a year. It is so easy to get caught up in the horsepower trap.
@TarDaniel
2 жыл бұрын
I caught myself changing over time. Ten years ago I was chasing that "extravaganza" of outstanding looks and power of everything. Now, past 35, I apreciate stock more. Maybe I'm just more aware of how fragile my life is nowadays and just don't want to give it one more opportunity to end prematurely. Riding motorcycles is pretty dangerous nowadays anyway because of the other unaware drivers out there, so at least I shouldn't lower my chances of surviving with more power that I can handle. So, yeah. I agree with you!
@spartanx169x
Жыл бұрын
@Thomas B If you ride you like you have some common sense, you should rarely, RARELY ever have to swerve or split lanes. IF you can't ride bike over 475 lbs safely and feel safe, then you are the problem, not the bike. Your skills are lacking by admitting that you can ride one and feel safe.
@craiggurney6677
2 жыл бұрын
This made me rethink the mods i was thinking about doing, great point of view
@JoseAngelFlores
2 жыл бұрын
I've got an Iron 883 2019, I got from a guy who put a lot of stuff on it, saddlebags, windshield, sissy bar, short shots vance and hines, air filter, handle grips, you name it. I took out most of it, except for the vance and hines exaust, which I really like, and like it simple, just the way it came out of the HD factory. Great channel, congratulations!
@antoniocampos6627
2 жыл бұрын
I bought a 2017 RGS and it had a 107 so I bumped it up to 119. Everyone asked why I didn’t just go for the 128 and the simple answer is that I know with the 119 I can still use all of it whereas the 128 is just over kill for what I use the bike for.
@Road_Rash
2 жыл бұрын
My twin cam 88 does just fine at highway speeds & can do a bit more if I need it...I'm good with that...I'm not in competition with anyone & I don't need to break any speed records to get where I'm going...wherever I'm going will be there when I get there & nobody can do anything that requires my presence without me, so why be in a hurry? If you think you're gonna be late, leave earlier...& when you blast down the road, you can't enjoy the scenery when everything's just a blur...I don't even need a 114...I'm even good with my 750 Honda & my 600...you don't have to break the sound barrier to have fun on a motorcycle...
@glennsteabner351
2 жыл бұрын
I used to work for HD and got to ride a lot of the demo bikes circa 2009 when the new frame so support the Trike came in. The death wobble was gone. Suspension is KEY to having a better handling bike, better brakes as well, the bikes make enough power. It's a CRUISER.....not a race bike. Coming from a guy who's got a few track days under his belt and 25 years of sports bikes.
@hccwarriordan5475
2 жыл бұрын
Vary true. High skill level rider here. Just sold my 2008 dyna with 120R mill. Bought it for a song and a dance. Thing was frickin nuts. Power way beyond the chassis's pucker factor.
@davidbell3169
2 жыл бұрын
I like the extra power for touring. I carry a lot of extra weight, the extra power makes a difference when going up mountains, passing, etc. I don’t race, so a high torque reliable bike is what I like.
@crvzer
2 жыл бұрын
Exactly.
@jackthebagger7589
2 жыл бұрын
Not everyone has your budget Dave 🤣, see you in a few weeks ..
@throttleblip9854
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah reliability is a big one for me. Car or bike I have to be able to trust it.
@wakeisland7613
2 жыл бұрын
Yes Sir! Tell them! My garage has a stock 2013 Road Glide Ultra. I ride it almost every day. It gets up to speed nicely and I have tested it up to 120 MPH on a straight road. That is fast enough for a 900 pound machine. If I want more power, I saddle up the 1989 GSXR1100. At 63, I have been there and done that. Live to ride.
@TheMachoGabacho
2 жыл бұрын
I’ve been riding for 18 years and I enjoy the hell out of my TC88. It cruises well at 80 and has good torque off the line. I’m sure the newer bikes are awesome but I’m comfortable with the amount of power I currently have. Instead of upgrading my engine, I e been thinking about picking up a 300cc sport bike and doing some track days to improve my skills. I think that’s money better spent. When I can throw a Harley around the way the Wyman brothers do, then I’ll look for more power.
@goldilocks913
5 күн бұрын
Good thinking 👍
@samueltorres6897
2 жыл бұрын
Nicely said. What I tell people, if you are building your street bike for speed--heck enjoy your street bike and by a metric bike and get your thrills on a track. Life is too short to ride fast and not enjoys the journey-whether it’s just a short day ride or a long day-long ride.
@RevJay_Rides
2 жыл бұрын
When I bought my Low Rider S (2022), I upgraded the exhaust and got it tuned. That’s all I will ever want power-wise. And, I’ve been riding for over 30 years.
@crvzer
2 жыл бұрын
Just don't ever ride the same model that's had a proper cam installed.
@RevJay_Rides
2 жыл бұрын
@@crvzer My other bike is an Ultra Limited. It has the torque cam, exhaust, breather and tuner. It isn’t as fast as my Low Rider S.
@throttleblip9854
2 жыл бұрын
If I get the ST that's my plan. After warranty maybe a cam but don't find I NEED it.
@crvzer
2 жыл бұрын
@@RevJay_Rides My other bike is a road glide with a tuned crate engine. It leaves my stage 1 m8 street bob in the dust, which is okay because I love the power on the highway and through the mountains.
@audreychurley
2 жыл бұрын
No nonsense!...functionality wins everytime for me. No one who's putting down the miles ever really argues that either (so you know who's putting up the fuss). Just about everyone seems to have a more popular seat than me but I went with something custom; I had the wall moved up 2 inches, which placed my upgraded bars & controls in the perfect place unique to me - I'm dropped down low into the frame & tightly tucked away (one with my bike) instead of feeling like I'm riding on top of it. Great to hear from an authority on the topic to finish things off and hopefully quiet the haters. I liked the riding course idea recommendation as well. I took the beginners but would love to do the advanced eventuality.
@bhouse92101
2 жыл бұрын
Great video! I think one aspect that was missed is that MOST people do these upgrades immediately after purchasing the bike, without really riding it to find out if they even want more power. Cost wise, it does make more sense to just go ahead with Stage 4 right out of the gate (if that is your ultimate goal) than to do Stage 1, then a year later do Stage 2, then a year later do Stage 4.
@davidsaucedo717
Күн бұрын
I’m on my 5th Harley, kept them all stock , ran just fine and had plenty of power. I pulled a loaded 250 lb pull trailer with my 2008 street glide with no problems
@davidwebber7725
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this very bold and practical video Blair. The 114 engine on my 2021 ElectraGlide Revival has more than enough power for me. I'd rather spend my time practicing riding techniques that Robert Simmons and Jerry Palladino teach than pursuing more horsepower that I don't need.
@almondsnackbar4969
2 ай бұрын
Just found a 1972 Honda CB500 Four. Same hp as a Harley. Rides beautifully.
@esco_0370
2 жыл бұрын
- When you took a deep breath and said, “I had to step in.” I laughed so hard and instantly followed your channel right after.
@throttleblip9854
2 жыл бұрын
Hahahah thanks for the love!!
@gelfyd1
2 жыл бұрын
You are so right. Suspension, seating and handlebars!
@fps636
2 жыл бұрын
When you grew up with 74" Harley's, the 103's , right out of the box , are plenty enough for me. Most of this mod mod mod H.P. is social pressure! You are absolutely right Blip and thanks for getting it out there.
@jackthebagger7589
2 жыл бұрын
I hear you , my first BT was a 71 FXE in 1974 , IIRC Cr was around 7.4 :1 and the Evo's were what? maybe 50 HP ?? Then I got the 103 in 2011 and I said after 37 years (for me ) they got it right , finally .. This one has been cammed and exhaust , so I guess the PC term is Stage 2 😂 . Only thing I would change is maybe bigger valves ..
@russmode
2 жыл бұрын
Stage 1 on my 103..agree, just fine, might look at stage 2 someday rather than buy new bike, but switch back for a ride on my TC88 when I want the 103 to feel fast again, and still love that TC with 70k miles..man, got it good actually!
@toolmaker5150
2 жыл бұрын
Agree. My ‘21 Lowrider S is the best Harley I have ever ridden in my 40 + years riding. This bike is nearly perfect. I will do a cam, exhaust and tune. I just want it to sound better. Has plenty of torque and h.p the way it is, just sounds like crap imo.
@dougfielding8215
2 жыл бұрын
@@toolmaker5150After market slip ons like Vance and Hines Eliminator 300 give it a deeper sound and bark.
@fps636
2 жыл бұрын
@Thomas B 👍
@bretlagasse3560
2 жыл бұрын
Hands down, your best video yet. I love all of your videos, but this is the hard hitting facts that people need.
@throttleblip9854
2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate that man!!
@davidchereneimmel8820
2 жыл бұрын
Well said, I still love my 06 Road King 88 with a stage 1. Does everything I need it to do. 68k miles. Been riding bikes for 35+ years.
@roadking681
Ай бұрын
And thats why u have 68k miles on it is because the bigger the motor the less longevity on the motor. The 88 is more then enough power for our beloved American roads. Theres an old saying: Speed kills so its better to enjoy the ride going the speed limit than kill yourself going too fast. Always live to ride another day and ride safe my friend.
@fredrouth5169
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this post. People need to hear this.
@hondanut7564
2 жыл бұрын
Too back this up , A good video mate would be a 114 stage 1 that most buyers do vs 131 on a simple 0-100 kph test from my research it is less than 1 sec , it seems that people spend multiple thousands for a more impressive dyno chart .
@throttleblip9854
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah that happens a lot!! That's a great idea for a video. I need to find a way to make this happen.
@hondanut7564
2 жыл бұрын
@@throttleblip9854 that would be a good video , stages 1,2,3,4 of dyno hp vs real world actual speed increase 0-100 kph or 0-60 mph on same model , I think it would really get people viewing and talking
@theodavies8754
16 сағат бұрын
100% agree. On my third Harley since 1988. First thing to sort is effective brakes. 1999 FXDL already has twin disc front so EBC HH give it enough bite. Rear caliper that takes FA200 is not compatible without minor modification as HD pads have backing shims,take around 1mm out of the radius on the inside so the inner pad top edge clears it. V&H straight shots are too loud for all day. Corbin seat and forward controls, it's a low rider. Back to OE buckhorns but I'm not tall. 60 on a warm day with nothing to hide behind is very different to 130 into a cold breeze. Forks hardened up to where rear preload has to be set for normal 2 up so it's sporty but hit a couple bumps leaned over really upsets it. 88" that's properly tuned is plenty for the dyna chassis. In the real world I only need predictable torque up to 4k rpm so peak HP is 99.9% irrelevant. Happy days from sunny Devon UK.
@js-amg
2 жыл бұрын
Great video and finally someone tells it like it is. I agree you don’t need to sell the house for the sake of the bike. Just a stage 1 is all that’s needed. Air filter, slip ons and a tune and ya off. Your only allowed to do the speed limit and you’ll never use the extra horses anyway. Not to mention you’ll never get the money back if you sell the bike anyway with the thousands of money you spent on it.
@Shastar271828
2 жыл бұрын
It's all about flexing on the other guy. That's why kids ride sport bikes.. when they grow up and if they still ride, they'll likely get a cruiser. 😄
@cavscout62
5 күн бұрын
I’ve been riding for 50+ years and I always follow the same formula with every Bike. Brakes, Suspension, Comfort. Once that’s all dialed in if I feel like I want more power I’ll start with the basics. Intake and exhaust. The simple fact is I don’t have to be the first one to arrive at the destination of a ride. I would much rather ENJOY the ride.
@davidspreen8089
2 жыл бұрын
Great perspective and advice. I spent my first three years with my 18 street glide reducing wind buffeting, improving audio, moving floorboards out, getting a comfy seat, upgrading all lighting to LED for safety etc. until I finally adding a torque cam based upon my riding style and preference!
@opasgarage4423
Жыл бұрын
Thank God! It's about time someone did a video like this!!!
@mikepierson5239
2 жыл бұрын
Horsepower and Torque is great if you can keep it on the road/track/trail or whatever your intended terrain. If you can’t control your bike all the horsepower and torque in the world won’t do you a bit of good. Great topic. Thanks for putting out good videos.
@richardsnow3951
6 күн бұрын
Amen! Riding is about comfort and control. If you're not comfortable and can't control your machine it's no fun.
@itsjustniko9323
2 жыл бұрын
When I get my RGST I'll likely do a stage 2 plus bars seat and such maybe even suspension. But I have been itching to do a insane sportster build on my 21 just for shits and giggles
@throttleblip9854
2 жыл бұрын
Will be a nasty RGST!!! I saw a Sporty with a turbo making 115hp lol. Sounds like fun!!!
@itsjustniko9323
2 жыл бұрын
@@throttleblip9854 get with @blockhead and take his hammer performance sporty for a rip lol. I wanted a 131 at first but I ride like hell on the highway mostly and I know the 131 come with extra maintenance so a stage 2 just makes more sense.
@SQUID_Road_Glide
2 жыл бұрын
@@itsjustniko9323 kzitem.info/news/bejne/sH9-y5yssXlhq6A That’s my Fat Boy. Getting with Chris and Blockhead is good advice.
@deanm4138
5 күн бұрын
Absolutely agree 100% . I just got a 94 Electra glide that’s all original still running the 1340 and a 5 speed it’s got plenty of power, still has the air ride shocks on it the only thing I’ve changed is I put a LePera seat on it and will up grade the stereo it still has the Harley am/fm cassette on it
@snailon3
2 жыл бұрын
Totally agree with you, it has turned into an "oh look at me" power struggle! 124-131 build it bigger and then all you hear is all the problems folks are having with what they have done to the bikes. Make the bike your own with the mods that you want and trust the engine the way it was made.
@delbertreno8089
2 жыл бұрын
I have a Softail Slim with the 107 M8 , Man that is a Beast. I know there is always a crave for more power, but that thing will about slide you off the seat when you crank it on! But to each his own!
@brickslayer72
2 жыл бұрын
I never really thought of a harley being a speed demon.If have you have a death wish go buy a crotch rocket.
@throttleblip9854
2 жыл бұрын
Yep. 3,500 will get an older sport bike that outruns 99% of Harleys on the road.
@crvzer
2 жыл бұрын
It's not about speed, it's about utility. A loaded bagger, or a loaded FXLRST has way more utility and usability when it's properly cammed and tuned. That has nothing to do with riding 110mph.
@stevenpaynter4463
2 жыл бұрын
Being 62 now and having had 6 HDs which all were modded the 106 stage 2 setup i have now is perfect.
@balduraan
2 жыл бұрын
Great discussion, people (including myself) get caught up in the HP/torque game but we don't think about what it's going to do for the riding experience.
@matthewweathers3266
2 жыл бұрын
Preach! I own a 2011 103 King. It's my first Harley. Rode a friend's stock 88ci and had a BLAST. It was so effortless and smooth in and out of corners. It really made me question every engine above the 107. But respectfully, to each their own.
@kristophergreen2418
2 жыл бұрын
This video was needed. Thanks for the great content. I’m going to do a stage 2 on my 107 m8 until I get comfortable and then I might not go to a 131 or bigger it’s just what’s cool right now most people can’t ride that hard.
@dougfielding8215
2 жыл бұрын
Cool, but unnecessary (and often unwanted, in actuality)
@snakebite6511
2 жыл бұрын
I actually like this video as its pretty spot on and i agree with the part of more power. I currently have 3 Harleys, 2009 Rocker C with a TC-96" and found that a complete stage 1 kit with a tune was plenty of power. I also have a 2014 Dyna Wide Glide with the TC-103" and from the factory is was ok, but it left you wanting more and with a complete stage 1 with a tune I found its pleanty of power. Lastly i have a 2021 Street Glide with the M8-107 and found that from the factory it felt restricted, with a full cobra exhaust (not just mufflers), high low air intake and a tune it really opened it up, just added a SE8-445 cam with new lifters and a SE cam plate & oil pump i think this thing is more than i will ever need. Ive seen so many friends pick up a new SGS and then spend another $20,000 in upgrades and to me its a waste of money but i know my riding style and i have n desire to redline a bagger. posted speed limit is just fine for me (maybe a few over) but i see no point of burying the needle on the hwy and redline just to look cool. I am what i am and dont give a F*&k what anyone else thinks.
@crvzer
2 жыл бұрын
Regardless of the engine being a 117, it's anemic from the factory due to EPA regulations. An engine of that size, with 4 valve heads, that doesnt make over 100HP / 110TQ is pretty mediocre. A properly designed Stage 2 will provide way more utility, usability, and confidence across the gears. More torque to offset constantly gearing down is never a bad thing, in my opinion.
@throttleblip9854
2 жыл бұрын
Totally agree. I always recommend a stage 1 to EVERYONE and would say a good many would benefit from the stage 2. Anything after that is totally up to the riders ability. Personally the 122 in a touring bike or a softail is about as much as I could realistically us.
@richmckenney1562
2 жыл бұрын
@@throttleblip9854 i agree.. i did the 122 on 20RGS.. i wanted to make sure i passing power when i need to get away or when its packed up on a long trip... the power is perfect....and it gets 48 mpg... great video
@alancrane4693
2 жыл бұрын
117 brilliant have 114 lowrider s but stage 4 117 it's brilliant staying in second gear around town with no need of constant gear shift. Plenty of stop and go scenarios having the upgrade clutch really really helps for the amount of usage and reduced hand fatigue. Live in the UK so roads smaller plenty of twisting roads and less straight roads. Speed limits change constantly even on our motorways national speed limit is 70mph but they change Day to day one section could be 70 the next 40mph. Also they are littered with enforcement camera's and easily catch people out. Get caught speeding you face a ban from driving and fines which is very very costly.
@nickmcclellan9623
4 күн бұрын
I have a 2019 Street Bob with the 107 and it has plenty of power. I did do a stage 1 to it, but that will be all. I had the seat adjusted as I am shorter and needed a little extra for comfort. Great video!
@jameslindsay479
2 жыл бұрын
You're spot on. Although I did go with a Stage 2 on my 114 RGS, I started with Stage 1, pipes, hammock seat, KST 12" bars, and Legend front and rear. It's set up perfectly for my riding style and needs. I'm perfectly content as is... no chance I'm buying crate engine, or heads, pistons, upgraded clutch, compensator, or any of that.
@The_Lost_Alaskan78
3 күн бұрын
After riding a Harley for over 20 years, I totally agree with you on this. I fucked up in Sturgis and test rode the 121 st, 131 and the 135. I absolutely loved the 135, being a bigger guy(fat) I loved the instant power when I needed it. The only thing that I think about is how does it (135) really run on a long distance trip when you’re not riding like a crazy person.
@mojomanmurph1925
2 жыл бұрын
I have a 2017 SGS with a 128 Big Bore Stage IV kit using all Harley Davidson parts. HD Pro Street and Auto Tuner, upgraded oil pump & clutch, same SE8-517 cam that came with the Stage IV kit. I ran the HD stock pipe that came with the kit to keep my extended warranty but immediately changed it out to a Fullsac MX w/V&H slips. Dyno'd now at 140 tq/132hp. I started out with stock for the first 10,000 miles then did a Stage 1. At 20,000 miles, I did a Stage II high performance cam plus upgraded my front and rear suspension to Legends, at 30,000 miles my engine had some major problems and right when the big bore kits came out so I pulled the trigger to bump it up to Stage IV 128BB. I have ridden in many states in all types of weather (no snow) from the mountains to the ocean. Here are my thoughts: Thank you for making this video. Needed to be done with the interview of Kyle's point of view at the end as well. I have seen many comments of why don't they just make like CVO's with 131 coming straight from the factory. I also like to include I have test rode almost many, many models HD makes. Only experienced riders can handle the power. I don't have 40 yrs or 500,000 miles of riding under my belt but have progressed for the past 10 yrs since I got back into riding. First, yes there are other after market parts to get stupid power out of Harley's but I figured the engineers at HD corporation have the experience and resources to know what they are doing and seen too many with builds with aftermarket parts go bad. So far, so good putting 20,000 miles on the Stage IV 128. This is all the power I need for all around riding that I do and you have to treat it with respect. In the rain or slippery conditions, you need to be cautious. There is a lot of torque going to that back wheel. I have slipped the tire getting on it even going into 4th and 5th with ease. It rides like a factory bike for around town but goes beast mode once you get into the throttle. It doesn't like going slow. Not the bike for city or traffic conditions riding not able to exceed 30mph. It's most happy 40 mph+. I don't like it in tight 20mph switchback curves but the long sweeping curves is a blast. Is it fun? You damn right it is getting into the throttle. It just throws you back, the engine roaring, the exhaust screaming like a banshee, you're holding on for dear life as your shifting through the gears and the world starts passing you by rather vastly. It will get you to 100mph quick and before you know it. Not a fun bike to ride in group riding. A little bit of throttle puts you right on somebody quickly especially in curves. I beg to take last place in the group so I can keep my distance. Would I ever get rid of it. No! I will keep this motorcycle forever and keep it running for the pure thrill of it. If I got a new softtail or touring model with either a 107, 114 or even a 117, all I would do is a Stage 2 torque cam, after market exhaust from D&D or Fullsac, DynoJet tuner and Dyno'd (no mapping, get it DYNO'D), switch out the front and rear suspension for Legends and I will be very happy with that setup. Now I am planning/saving to get a new Pan American in a year just for different riding. I enjoy smaller motorcycles on the dirt roads, country roads and especially the mountains. It's an awesome bike and I plan on leaving it totally stock. Hope my comments helped out.
@jwentz2901
2 жыл бұрын
You nailed it. I have the 131 in RKS. My wife has 131 in her RGS. We love it.
@omarbailey7243
9 ай бұрын
Hey I appreciate your insight. As a rider with a year under my belt and an advance safety course under my belt, I wanted to know your thoughts on stage 2 vs. 4. I want more power as I can comfortably go full throttle on my 107 street Bob. I want to be able to put all the power down with it slipping or doing wheelies. With that being said, I also don’t want to be disappointed after spending a few grand on a stage 2. I mostly ride from 45-65 zones and like to do hard pulls on straightaways or coming out of corners. Based off this, do you think I’d be content with a stage 2 or the stage 4 is the way to go? While I haven’t ridden any bikes higher than 150hp, I have driven really really quick cars like modded AMG’s and teslas so I definitely love brutal acceleration. I just want to it to be controllable since I’m only on 2 wheels
@PeterAngles-jq7gr
5 күн бұрын
So your Harley was a pile of trash from the factory
@DCyclemoto
2 жыл бұрын
Trends ruin motorcycles. Ppl buying sh*t to impress others rather than enjoying riding. Over it. Good video!👍🏻
@michaelegginton7657
2 жыл бұрын
100% agree, I'm new to HD, came from a BMW S1000XR, it had a detuned superbike engine (165 hp). I bought a 22 Electra Glide with the 107 and have not missed the power one bit. I added a stage 1 air cleaner, but only for looks not power.
@michaelharleyman4095
2 жыл бұрын
thank you you nailed it perfect bars, seat, suspension the only thing missing would be pipes im a touring rider not a racer a lot of my friends that do the big stage upgrades dont put many miles on their bike
@jddonaldsonjr2176
2 жыл бұрын
Nailed it! most roads are going to have curves thereby negating all of that unnecessary horsepower but, horsepower the name of the game now so some will obviously follow that trend. I came from a 08 Busa before getting a 18 Ultra. The missing speed was instantly noticed but, the comfort was unmatched and very suitable for the type of riding I was doing at 50 years old. First upgrades were Stage II - torque cam with neighbor haters slip ons. However, my most important upgrades have been: Wilber's self leveling shocks and forks springs, backrest for my H-D heated seat, Ciro frame mounted highway pegs, Custom Dynamic lighting, and a Freedom Shields windshield. Those upgrades help me be seen, heard, sure up the chassis, and increase my comfort levels which in turns increases the fun level. Lastly, as a retired motor sergeant, I cant stress enough on practicing slow speed operations and taking motorcycle safety courses like Bike Safe and/or other advanced rider courses. Motorcycle skills are a perishable skill so practice like your life and that of your passengers depends on it; they do!.
@Biker-ux1fz
2 жыл бұрын
Agree! I admit I dream of 140-150 hp ,but realistically the best upgrade per dollar for me was suspension! I went with Pro Action mostly because they’re in Pa ,a nice 4 hr ride for and got it setup right. Bars are great too. Good advice and maybe someone after seeing this will hold onto the 6-8k they were gonna spend and instead take a couple weeks off of work and take a road trip and actually enjoy riding their motorcycle!
@nowhereman4041
Жыл бұрын
I couldn't agree more. Ive been saying this for years. Ive been riding for 30+ years. I have a 2019 Fatboy 114 and its way more power than I'll ever need. In fact when I bought my 06 Wide glide I said the same thing. My advice if your going to spend money on your Hog, spend it on making the bike fit you....Thats the most important thing. I do custom made seats on all of my bikes. The seat literally gets replaced day 1.
@brokenspokes6731
2 жыл бұрын
I have an Low rider ST and I'm very familiar with performance bikes - But I find the ST is more than I need on that bike. My modifications will be related to doing just what your video was all about - creature comforts. Example - adding a garage door opener on the bike or setting up the foot controls for what works best for me. I just took delivery of the bike a few weeks ago and will be changing our items as I research them out. So instead of wasting money on more power - I'll make my upgrades to make the bike more pleasant for riding. BTW - so far I have 200 miles on the bike and loving every mile. Race bikes don't make good street bikes in general terms.
@dynabungie
2 жыл бұрын
I totally agree with everything you said I think seat and bars and setting up the rider triangle should be the first thing that anybody does. Thrashin supply just released a series of videos on how to pick the right bars and risers for you using measurements and finding the the best handlebar sweep for your build I think it's definitely worth checking out some really cool information in those videos
@Helm-w1q
3 күн бұрын
Rode my 75 FLP for better then 25 years. This bike had a low compression motor as does most police Harleys. Most of my riding was done at speeds under 50 miles an hour . And when I hit the open road I ran at speeds that allowed me to see the USA. It's grand. And my old Harley had plenty of speed. I never did know the horse power rating on that bike, but it was enough.
@dawidos117
2 жыл бұрын
Agree 100% with fitting bike to a rider first. It’s the best money spent. I want to add one more thing. Exhaust. It was the first thing I wanted to change after acquiring my beautiful FLHRXS. Sound is one of the things I always wanted a Harley and stock exhaust sound was simply disappointing. Cool video! 👍🏻
@soulsnatcha402
2 жыл бұрын
I truly liked this video. Great knowledge and I loved his voice cadence. Thank you
@markszablewski6619
Күн бұрын
Great explain of where to throw your $$$..I changed a bunch of stuff on my '12 touring bike thru the years, taller bars, different seat(s), suspension front and back..I've got it tweaked to my liking, and the last thing that I did was the motor, stock 103 bumped up to a 107, stage 4..great usability and still reliable..
@Heritagejim5339
2 жыл бұрын
I have a 2020 Sport Glide 107, as you have said the first thing I did was bars. Then foot controls and added a heel/toe shifter due to several surgeries on my left leg. 3- HD Sundowner seat and 4- Stage 2 w/torque cam because most of my riding is two-up. Great information brother 😎
@jgacusana8976
2 жыл бұрын
That’s why I quit working at a dealership. I had to walk away from losing beginning riders. I built my suspension next is better breaks then a cam. It’s a 21 rd glide limited it’s a great touring ride with my upgrade
@alexursulajohnson8622
3 күн бұрын
Totally agree stock is built for its performance as it should be i like going to stage two, but i think anything higher is too hard on the motor and more frequent repairs.. upgrade suspension bars and seat is what i did too on both my roadglide and sportglide love them there
@maybe5883
7 күн бұрын
You’re 100% correct. Suspension is a better investment. My 117 is more than enough power. The people pushing power add ons make money selling upgrades. Proof many riders are followers not leaders.
@BackcountryTreks
2 жыл бұрын
This is so true. I came from years of track time on my zx6r. Dudes use to say “only a 600?” I would just grin and then smoke many of them that rode bigger cc bikes. Saw many of them high side in corners too. Learn to ride for real before thinking you need more power. Also love my 1200 sportster! “Only a 1200?” Blah,blah,blah😎
@ronfisher2016
2 жыл бұрын
Finally the truth that needed said..and agreed suspension and bushing upgrades far more important than engine upgrades.
@ash2250
2 жыл бұрын
You are so right having been riding now for 44 years. My God I'm now an ol timer. Still ride a 2021 street Bob without a silly wind shield.
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