How can you hold people from the past responsible for breaking a law that hasn't been written yet in their time
@idcgaming518
3 жыл бұрын
clearly someone has never watched doctor who.
@josephlatourette8329
3 жыл бұрын
@@idcgaming518 Doctor who Doctor poo
@SlatheTheSpaceMarine
3 жыл бұрын
Statues.
@liamzakhaev
3 жыл бұрын
you can't, unless you want your country to suddenly be classified as a terrorist occupied nation in desperate need of liberation by NATO and the U.S armed forces. In explanation. ex post facto criminalization is also prohibited by Article 7 of the European Convention on Human Rights, Article 15(1) of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, and Article 9 of the American Convention on Human Rights.
@liamzakhaev
3 жыл бұрын
@@idcgaming518 unfortunately, in addition to being a pile of shit that only cringey hormonal teenagers and sexually frustrated women watch, doctor who is a terribly poor source of info on how governments and laws work.
@60sspider-man29
2 жыл бұрын
I completely understand the admiral here. From his point of view he's protecting Starfleet from a possible temporal threat and gathering up as much information on this weird warp drive made out of mushrooms this 1000 year old ship has.
@scottmantooth8785
2 жыл бұрын
*the shroom drive is popular with all the cool kids and aliens...the admiral should know that by now*
@RandoWisLuL
Жыл бұрын
eh he was also being a Reddit tier A-hole too
@yummiestfern2316
Жыл бұрын
@@scottmantooth8785 This was a convent bit of lore that ranking officers seem to forget. lets not forget spok is autistic now.
@gabelogan5877
Жыл бұрын
Let's not forget this is Star Trek. For all the admiral knows this is Species 8472 running some plot.
@syphe101
Ай бұрын
@@gabelogan5877 100% - He was rather kind and sensitive in delivering the news that they would not be Leadership on Discovery any longer, that Discovey will be stripped down and studied, and that their crew will be interrogated lol. Imagine the Admiral doing the opposite. Saru: "Hi, were from 1000 years ago" Admiral: "Sounds good, carry on" lol
@ducknorris233
3 жыл бұрын
“50 years ago chair legs were outlawed along with lawyers”
@voicetest6019
3 жыл бұрын
That sounds like a viable sacrifice.
@Nyx773
2 жыл бұрын
Makes a Roomba’s job a lot easier
@ducknorris233
2 жыл бұрын
@@Nyx773 in the future they are called BiatchBots.
@ducknorris233
2 жыл бұрын
The lawn game where you throw balls? I kid
@xanderfulton3186
2 жыл бұрын
What’s this from?
@Hexterguard99
Жыл бұрын
When the AI asked if she was prone to emotional exaggeration I immediately laughed and said “you’re damn right she is”.
@astrofan1993
3 жыл бұрын
Clearly the admiral has never heard of an ex post facto law, and how many jurisdictions prohibit them. Since the 32nd Century laws surrounding time travel were not around in the 23rd Century, you legally cannot apply those laws to the crew of the USS Discovery.
@Janoha17
3 жыл бұрын
And how is a one-way trip to the future any different from a sleeper ship or being put in stasis?
@astrofan1993
3 жыл бұрын
@@Janoha17 My guess is it's because using a sleeper ship or being put in stasis still allows for the normal flow of time to occur, unlike using the Red Angel suit. Using the Red Angel suit to travel hundreds of years into the future in a matter of seconds is a bit different. Regardless, you cannot retroactively apply a law to an action that happened before said law was passed.
@Suthriel
3 жыл бұрын
@@astrofan1993 Not that different, instead of this suite, the Discovery could also just use the time dilation caused by the next best black hole. Does not even need a black hole, just accelerating close enough to lightspeed without warpdrive or any protection against time dilation, that happens automatically, if you are fast enough.
@octoberboiy
3 жыл бұрын
Exactly, plus my understanding of the temporal Cold War is that it was future factions going back in time to change history. The Discovery crew were already in the past and went into the future. They didn’t change anything in the past other that what they would’ve changed anyway and once they came to the future everything they did was sanctioned from Star Fleet and the Federation so technically they did not violate the temporal accords.
@Drakus_VII
3 жыл бұрын
Says who? Who is the stronger party in the situation? You tell them "erm you are not allowed to apply those laws" "Actually 900 years of weapon development tell me I can"
@Kopie0830
2 жыл бұрын
From the desert of the mummy and resident evil and now a commander, this dude is awesome.
@HotForgeChaos
Жыл бұрын
Remember that Lucius Malfoy was the skipper of Discovery too
@adrianopandolfo
Жыл бұрын
wait this guy was the Medjay guy?
@guysabol8743
Жыл бұрын
Oded Fehr is a great actor, yet I feel his SFRegs character tend to compress ones ideals into a formed predestined Star Fleet choiced attitude. How does one palaver with a centuries old seemingly amebic shaped entity that is 200X larger than the ship, or a cloud of entropic energies pushng around the ship until you design to say please stop? and a cartoon ish facade greets your remark? Lets knot forget that entropic randomly banding fleeting nodes of lights and action, that does turn out to be another presence, quite unknown to corporal beings! And the simple answer is within ALLof us, every day! Harmonics, harmony with bands of lights sounds and thoughts!
@Johnathan-pk9wz
Ай бұрын
It’s Admiral
@JonatasMonte
3 жыл бұрын
"Hey Cicero, good job saving the republic." "By the way, we've just decided what you've done is now a crime and we're banishing you"
@wchrisg0528
3 жыл бұрын
Travelling forward in time to change the future is called aging.
@SpartanSniper3
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that line seemed bizarre to me too. If Discovery was intent on going back in time with future knowledge to exploit, that'd be one thing. But as that's clearly not the case, I'm genuinely curious about what that means or if he's just making shit up on the fly.
@alphanerd7221
2 жыл бұрын
Discovery writers wiff again.
@mxplixic
2 жыл бұрын
Not if you do it all at once. :)
@nicknak04
2 жыл бұрын
Hey guys I time traveled from the past to… oh you… you did that already? welp this was kinda wasted, uh… cya
@ironfist7789
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, but there is a time skip involved :) Your body on July 1st does not belong at July 31st because it did not experience the changes associated with the days in between.
@999benhonda
3 жыл бұрын
"Are you prone to emotional exaggeration?"...that's an understatement.
@Bitchslapper316
3 жыл бұрын
At least they are aware lol
@faded9581
3 жыл бұрын
That’s some serious lampshading
@mackgiver875
3 жыл бұрын
omg that would have been epic if she had started sniffling..."Wh--What do you mean emotional--I am NOT emotional!" *starts bawling*
@michaelsublet3283
3 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised she didn't start crying when he said that.
@davidtucker9498
3 жыл бұрын
@@mackgiver875 I haven't kept up since I stopped watching in season 1. When did Micky become emotional?
@oldheadprisonofficer7024
3 жыл бұрын
All organic life would be dead? Nah Q would never let that happen he be too damn bored
@Horrorcrusher8312
3 жыл бұрын
Are you sure about that?
@cormacmacsuibhne2867
3 жыл бұрын
@@Horrorcrusher8312 the Universe is pretty big.
@Horrorcrusher8312
3 жыл бұрын
@@cormacmacsuibhne2867 And the Q Continuum can be most capricious in their travels.
@kyt895
3 жыл бұрын
Or maybe Q would let that happen and if he gets bored he'll reverse it or do something idk😂
@hansdampf640
3 жыл бұрын
Q got the whole Multiverse,by judging what this particular universe became... he´d let it go :D
@xBloodXGusherx
3 жыл бұрын
The only captain I trust who could truly understand this situation is Janeway.
@rxonmymind8362
3 жыл бұрын
She would have ate his lunch.
@ShawnLevasseur
2 жыл бұрын
She’s probably considered a time war criminal with all the stuff she did.
@baronzemo5301
2 жыл бұрын
Sadly those writers are gone. The woke writers today only put franchises to sleep.
@Gryffster
2 жыл бұрын
Quite
@agquad
2 жыл бұрын
"Okay, let's get started before my headache gets any worse."
@MikelosM
3 жыл бұрын
Sperging AI: "You can't lie to me" Five seconds later: "I can't prove anything you're saying is the truth"
@DougChatham
3 жыл бұрын
Just because the strangers believe what they say does not make it the truth.
@Bitchslapper316
3 жыл бұрын
That's not what was said at all lol.
@Bitchslapper316
3 жыл бұрын
@Stupid Bitch No. He never said they were lying. He said he has TWO truths in front of him and he needed verification of thier story before he would risk the safety of the federation. The two truths are. A) They are not lying to him about the story B) Starfleet records say nothing about thier mission or the spore drive and that their ship was destroyed 900+ years ago.
@davidtucker9498
3 жыл бұрын
@@Bitchslapper316 I feel like everyone here agrees, but doesn't realise it...
@Bitchslapper316
3 жыл бұрын
@@davidtucker9498 perhaps
@samtime2711
3 жыл бұрын
AI much more advince , but there bed side manner still could use some work.
@vzerby
3 жыл бұрын
"More advance" but now sound like shit. What wrong with his auditory codes?!
@benjackson8731
3 жыл бұрын
You'd think they would have ironed that EMH mk1 wrinkle out by now.
@minners71
3 жыл бұрын
*Advance (I'll accept that was a typo) *Their (no excuse)
@christopherg2347
3 жыл бұрын
@@vzerby That imperfection was left in to identify the hologram clearly. Back in DS9 they experimented with Holocoms, but they did not work out in screenplay - it was impossible to distinguish a beamed over and holocom character. Stargate managed by simply adding a imperfection to the hologramm. Discovery did the same in season 1.
@ShawnLevasseur
2 жыл бұрын
They’re not fully functional.… Oh wait, wrong kind of “bedside manner”. My bad.
@ClaudiusDK
3 жыл бұрын
Feels like the Admiral is just trying to keep them there to get as mush help as possible... a ship like Discovery would certainly be a great help for them. Plus wouldn't the law he quotes not apply to them, it only applies to him since they aren't from this era. Really its only that he can't help them travel back without breaking the law himself. So feels like since he has to uphold the law, and he also wants the ship, he sees it as a win-win for him. Also feels like the only reason why he wants to reassigne them is so he can just take over the ship.
@ThreeGoddesses
3 жыл бұрын
there is no feasible way a ship with 900 year old experimental technology could even remotely be of help. That would be like saying a spanish galleon could be of assistance to a modern battleship in a modern fight. The only way that could be possible is if there was next to no technological advancement in said 900 years. For reference, irl computers have only been around like 80ish years, but your cellphone alone is like 20 trillion times more powerful then the first mechanical computer. Modern super cars have 1300+ horse power, whereas the very first car didnt even have 1 full horse power and that was over 130ish years of advancement. Assuming even the bare minimum amount of advancement suggests that a reffiting isnt even going to help: the ship is basically shiny scrap. The framework is obselete, the hull is likely not even remotely close to standard, nothing on the ship is likely to be compatible with modern in universe technology... So the writers mean for us to assume that the technology of the discovery (As experimental as it is) is somehow advanced enough to be compatible with technology after 900 years of advancement. Which just isnt feasible.
@ClaudiusDK
3 жыл бұрын
@@ThreeGoddesses Dunno, your analogy with the spanish galleon and modern battleship doesn't really fit here, since its not really about fighting ability, this "900 year old ship" has the ability to instantly travel anywhere without the use of dilithium in a time where dilithium is hard to come by. A technology thats been errased and hidden for even the highest ranking admiral. Plus the Discovery does get weapons, armor, sensors, and systems upgrades so it can deal with the newer threats. A full refit.
@ThreeGoddesses
3 жыл бұрын
@@ClaudiusDK Its not about fighting ability, although that analogy was more geared towards conflict. The idea was to paint a picture of technological differences. At some point, instead of using a galleon, it would be more efficient to just make a new ship with modern materials. I mean, modern naval ships get decommissioned after just 30, 40 years of service. And its really hard to believe given the available technology of the time that ANY tech on the discovery is somehow still better then anything 900 years later. Where did the relevant tech research go? Why didnt the federation go "Hm, our experimental starship full of experimental technology dissappeared without a trace, maybe we need to make a new one or move on to better projects cuz clearly its dead or in the hands of enemies". The premise is dumb as shit, its full of plotholes, and the fact that even the basic ass frame is somehow still not improved.... I mean, how are 900-years-in-the-future ship frames not made out of lighter, more durable materials? The wiring, the.... everything. Nothing makes sense. And a retrofit of new tech into an old system just doesnt work, too many things would need to be replaced, the cost would be too high. Just make a new ship. It would cost less to reverse engineer anything the old ship had that was somehow still valuable, and put it on an entirely different vessel. This entire situation waves its hands so much Im surprised the writer didnt break something.
@daefaron
3 жыл бұрын
@@ThreeGoddesses Honestly, this is true, even without the tech bit. I remember reading the refit of the Discovery and the retraining of the crew lasted like... a few weeks to a month or two? How in the hell do you get people caught up entirely on history and tech in such a short period of time? The refit of the TOS enterprise into the TMP variant took at the least, 2 years and involved basically rebuilding the entire ship from scratch. Yet the Discovery can be totally overhauled in weeks without demolishing the entire ship? As you said and my brother brought up in our own talk about it, even the tubes the wires/power go through are different sized. Though he compared I think it was a WW2 submarine to a modern one. You can't just shove in the computer systems and functions without rebuilding the entire thing. Factor in, IIRC, they label the Discovery as "Discovery A" to hide the fact it was a time traveled ship, you'd have to make the ENTIRE crew be able to pass that test too.
@fperri302
2 жыл бұрын
@@daefaron I guess refit methods and starship repair didn't get better over 900 years ? And you both avoided the most important part ..the spore drive that can deliver the ship anywhere when basically all others were stuck close to home with no warp ... Its Sci fi and star trek for christ sake your not watching a non fiction documentary on navy vessels .. just enjoy it or don't watch hahaha
@charleskinsey2077
3 жыл бұрын
And this Admiral died on earth and then risen as Osiris the outlaw guardian.
@guntere1004
3 жыл бұрын
Destiny 2??
@-Offstar
3 жыл бұрын
I can't believe I didn't notice it was the same voice.
@x8a3vier
3 жыл бұрын
I would have laughed my ass off if he mentioned something regarding mercury or robots. I can't unsee him as also being osiris.
@tpretty
2 ай бұрын
And don't forget that he also died in an explosion after being bit by a zombie lol
@williambell3304
3 жыл бұрын
Kirk's report on the incident with the Guardian is probably the reason tje Federation HAS temporal agents.
@TheShootist
2 жыл бұрын
naw, it wouldn't be Gary 7's responsibility
@tOnySi
3 жыл бұрын
Where the hell is leiutenant Braxton to fix all this mess
@lumberluc
3 жыл бұрын
Dead. He died serving his time in the Feds.
@andromeda5414
3 жыл бұрын
About 300 years prior to this.
@LickMyMusketBallsYankee
2 жыл бұрын
@@andromeda5414 mans is literally a time agent
@andromeda5414
2 жыл бұрын
@@LickMyMusketBallsYankee Who operates in the past and was eventually arrested.
@Mark-xh8md
3 жыл бұрын
I hate how the admiral is made to be the bad guy here, and how "St. Michael" is displayed as a paragon. 1: The admiral is right. He has absolutely nothing to corroborate their story. Try to put yourselves in his position, and ask yourselves if you'd just trust random strangers like that. 2: Michael's attitude "Fuck you, I'll do what I want and you had better like it" is what caused the Klingon war and subsequent hundreds of thousands - at least - Federation casualties. I'm sure I have more reasons, but I'll post them as they come to me.
@Slayer398
3 жыл бұрын
While the Admiral may be right about not being able to corroborate their story, the entire 'they are criminals for breaking temporal law' and the rest was just garbage nonsense along with the "i can't trust you even though i have an AI that can tell me if you're lying" and it's less sociable than the doctor from Voyager, but 'it's more advanced...." I agree with you about the rest.
@Mark-xh8md
3 жыл бұрын
@@Slayer398 - I don't see why it's bullshit, though? One can be convinced one is telling the truth and still not be. Also, ignorance of the law does not mean you won't get charged (though you will likely face less severe charges)
@BlazingOwnager
Жыл бұрын
Star Trek Discovery's entire existence is by, definition, a crime
@matthewbalsinger3238
3 жыл бұрын
"Subspace relays went down...We're having trouble finding Each other" Uh, if you know planet A is around Star X, than you know how to find each other. You use pulsars and their known frequencies to navigate. We can LITERALLY map out space right now without having traveled it based on Pulsars. Like what sh*t writers wrote this?
@charmaeleon
3 жыл бұрын
i think what they meant was that they could not reach out for them
@matthewbalsinger3238
3 жыл бұрын
@@charmaeleon It's just poor writing. They heard "subspace relays" mentioned in classical Trek and threw it in as a random line, without understanding how the in-universe system of subspace relays works.
@Kenoscope
3 жыл бұрын
I've actually used pulsar navigation in two of my books, it is a very efficient form of navigation.
@yummychips_
3 жыл бұрын
weren't pulsar navigation something relatively new in being proven possible? I believe it acts as a sextant to, not a map. I would think that having different locational data and computing a route between those points is highly complex, as it would require utilizing multiple forms of Pulsar information. There is after all, a lot of neutron stars. Sure Star Trek is sci-fi and what not, so they could have this tech. How ever I don't think most of its science was founded on newer principles after its inception. That is just sci-fi for ya though. If anything, perhaps those subspace relays were the intended device that utilized pulsar navigation. If they were down, it would be improbable to navigate to certain locations. You would need the on board computers to work the data, and if the data doens't exist. Then you would need to input it manually, which could result in major errors and death. Not sure how warp space jumps work, but its really all the realm of fiction. So if it works or not works, doesn't really matter.
@dsdy1205
3 жыл бұрын
@@yummychips_ Pulsars only really have 3 useful pieces of info - how loud they are, the frequency of the pulses, and how much they're slowing down. With that alone and a database of a couple hundred pulsars which could fit even in a floppy, there should be no issue at all computing your position to within the accuracy of a lightyear or less, which at least tells you which star system you're in. For the case of real life, it's only recently that we've tried using them to get a position fix down to kilometer-level precision, which is much harder to do indeed.
@DXAshram
Жыл бұрын
It's so weird hearing Osiris in Star Trek, but here we are.
@stuart8taylor
3 жыл бұрын
Actions aren't criminal retrospectively. And the temporal agents didn't disclose future events on mass, so no one in the past could know about future laws.
@ericmanso7355
3 жыл бұрын
Exactly like minority report how the hell can I be charge for a crime I didn’t commit As of yet
@zeusdemi6858
3 жыл бұрын
@P Mason Right but if an honest to goodness caveman fell through a time rift and killed someone with his club in panic, he wouldn't be treated to a criminal trial a face either jailtime or death because, either he'd be considered insane and be taken in for treatment, or, if we knew for a fact he was from 10000 BC or whatever, there'd be no legal expectation for him to suddenly compose himself as a 21st century man would
@sophiawilson8696
3 жыл бұрын
@P Mason good question
@Commanderziff
3 жыл бұрын
@P Mason Only if he kept doing it after arriving in the present. At the time he was a slave trader in the past it was legal, so he did nothing wrong legally speaking. Marijuana being legalized has not freed all the people who were imprisoned for possession while it was illegal. If it is made illegal again in those areas, all the people who were selling it while it was legal will not suddenly be thrown in jail for selling it while it was legal. They would only face charges if they continued after it was illegal again. As the original post stated actions aren't criminal retrospectively. If they were it would be chaos and you could never know if your actions were legal or not. This plot development is completely absurd.
@UGNAvalon
3 жыл бұрын
Considering how temporal travel would’ve been as common as transwarp drives during the height of the temporal wars (ie rare but not super-rare), I’d imagine Discovery’s presence to be more like “temporal trespassing”, which would be an active crime even if they arrived accidentally and one-way.
@Optimistprime.
2 жыл бұрын
So at no point, since time travel became common did anyone go forward in a time ship see that the burn happened or how to prevent it? The time agency is possibly the most incompetent agency in the galaxy.
@andromidius
2 жыл бұрын
Its possible forward time travel became impossible after the Temporal Wars due to just how messed up the timelines were. Not to mention it would essentially create a singularity paradox if you were able to travel toward in time to foresee future events. Time travel as a narrative plot device works best if it only works backwards from the point it was created.
@DarkNexarius
Жыл бұрын
If those laws against time travel exist and you travel into the future then the people in the future would prevent you from going back into your "present" / e.g. the past to tell them about what you learned.
@S3Cs4uN8
Жыл бұрын
@@andromidius Time Travel in general works best when it is mono-directional.
@thepropagandastudiosbrigs0927
2 ай бұрын
To put it simply, temporal mechanics is a headache
@leyrua
Ай бұрын
@@thepropagandastudiosbrigs0927 One of my friends hates time travel stories for exactly this reason. They say that they get a migraine just trying to make sense of twisty paradoxes.
@thanqualthehighseer
3 жыл бұрын
What if Discovery is no longer in its original timeline? It's now in a alternate timeline where discovery was destroyed but it had no spore drive and there was no control threat.
@Bitchslapper316
3 жыл бұрын
I think the discovery (the ship) is in a temporal loop. I don't think the spore drive was invented by starfleet in the 2200's. I think it is created in the 3180's where they are at now using the sphere and SB-19 data as an answer for the burn. Starfleet will realize this and send the discovery (the ship not the crew) back 1000 years to ensure the past and the future play out the same. That would explain why the spore drive was never reinvented in the past and it would explain why the discovery was sitting in the past empty in the trek short.
@buzzx21
3 жыл бұрын
Some sources say that it was labeled as "Destroyed" to cover up its tech and such, because if it was labeled as "Missing in action" people might go looking for it and might find things leading to spore drives and such. Thats also why they wouldnt say anything about the drive in its log. They dont want anyone else using it so they dont want them to know it exists.
@andromeda5414
3 жыл бұрын
This is the future of the prime timeline.
@fdajax5107
3 жыл бұрын
I like to think that discovery Canonically never happend
@Tim.Stotelmeyer
3 жыл бұрын
@@Bitchslapper316 The spore drive was co-invented by Lieutenant Commander Paul Stamets as part of his work with spores.
@sl600rt
3 жыл бұрын
First rule of time travel. Protect your self from changes in the past. You can't effectively police time travel. If you aren't protected from time travel. Your base of operations needs to be effectively outside spacetime.
@TheShootist
2 жыл бұрын
first rule of time travel. find will ph.d nobel physicist to be the technical support for your writers. changing the past doesn't change the future, the act only adds another separate alternative reality. Ask Sean Carroll or Sir Roger Penrose.
@JJ-ml7pq
3 жыл бұрын
Odd that a medical hologram from the far future compared to The Doctor and the holograms seen in Picard would have such a disturbing, mechanical voice. Using it as a lie detector and a diagnostic tool would be dodgy as its mannerisms and voice would put one on edge, rendering any readings it takes faulty as they likely do not match what would have been the subject’s baseline regarding things like pulse, temperature, chemical makeup, etc.
@tonoornottono
3 жыл бұрын
it senses lie particles
@Owl_Space
3 жыл бұрын
To be fair, it would only be disturbing if you weren't used to it. Like say, if you someone from the 22nd century arriving in the 32nd.
@JJ-ml7pq
3 жыл бұрын
@@Owl_Space Maybe if the 32nd Century Starfleet personnel only knew their holograms and not the ones we’re used to, I could maybe see them being okay with that busted-radio voice. Kinda like how 24th century characters are probably not too put off by Data’s skin or eye color. That said, idk. I still feel like it’d be incredibly uncomfortable and rather feels like a downgrade when they used to have holograms that could pass for humans (hello, Doctor).
@Owl_Space
3 жыл бұрын
I suspect there was some backsliding as a result of the Burn. It's also possible there's a cultural bias against AI's looking too human, possibly a relic of the Synthizoid uprising.
@TheShootist
2 жыл бұрын
bad writing is a hallmark of Picard and Discovery.
@Creasy5678
3 жыл бұрын
The Admiral wants Discovery's Spore Drive, Section 31 want Burnham's suit. To get both, they are going through Georgiou, who they want as an Agent, willing or not. Anyone else think they plan to use Georgiou's proven ability and intelligence to rebuild the Federation through force, even against her own conscious will? Problem is, nobody but Stamets really understands the Spore Drive and Mycelial Network. On top of which, he can only navigate it thanks to his injection of Tardigrade DNA. Even given it's been 932 years, I doubt Starfleet can just pull a Tardigrade out of space and time to get it's DNA-and Stamets understanding of the Mycelial Network and the Spore Drive are unique. Literally nobody can replicate what he does. Rebuilding the Federation using Spore Drives and the former Empress as a leader until she's no longer useful? The future just got worse...
@lumberluc
3 жыл бұрын
The Red Angel Suit has it's uses, but it creates wormholes, which in turn is time travel. Not the best thing to break right now. The Spore Drive, as you said, can only be operated if the helmsman is injected with a serum of Tardigrade DNA. Anyone that tries it with out said DNA, would be fried from one jump. If the current Fed are operating in a "Survival" mode right now, then they will kill anyone that gets in their way. I agree with you, the future just got a whole lot worse.
@authorizeduser485
3 жыл бұрын
I see a return through time to pre burn to stop it. A good cliff hanger for next season.
@matthewcaughey8898
3 жыл бұрын
Section 31 has never technically been a member of or a faction of Star fleet. They are and have always been a dangerous extremist group hell bent on their own adgenda. Most captains and senior officers prefer not to deal with them, as a fleet admiral they’ve approached me and I’ve rebuffed them. Star Fleet has its own intelligence arm and we use it. It wouldn’t surprise me if section 31 was behind the burn. I don’t trust them, I haven’t since the dominion war
@Vandrock
3 жыл бұрын
Clone him slap a brain box boom new navigator.
@TheShootist
2 жыл бұрын
Grossly bad television by any other name.
@ZeroSunCrow
3 жыл бұрын
i keep wanting nemesis and alice to bust through the door fighting
@greyprox4677
3 жыл бұрын
3:02 : Is that me or they tried to hide a cut with a blur effect ? Look at her badge ...
@kiri101
3 жыл бұрын
Wow. It's so well integrated in to the visual effect of the shot in general but I think you're correct. Good spot!
@HaileyLove42
7 ай бұрын
Oded Fehr as Admiral was genius casting............I have always loved him. One of the best actors to walk this earth.
@hawkstringfellow
3 жыл бұрын
The guardian of forever that is how we can clear all this shit up the guardian, or the Q fixing all of this burnham erased I like Saru hes a good captain.... I like him and that means a lor coming from an old spacedog like me
@PaulfromChicago
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah. Carl is a good guy.
@NextianGeometry
3 жыл бұрын
AI: "You have very dusty...cups."
@kered1234
Жыл бұрын
Admiral: The temporal accords make it a crime for time travellers from the past to alter the future. Saru: You are under arrest admiral for trying to alter my future. Your chair has been moving you forward in time at one minute per minute making you a time traveller also.
@bubbaguy4411
3 жыл бұрын
*taps on glass* "Hey fishy-fishy-fishy"
@ZantherStone
2 жыл бұрын
0:53 Yes. Yes she is most definitely prone to emotional exaggeration
@kolbyjackcorgi
3 жыл бұрын
Isn't that the guy from The Mummy? Man, I'm getting old.
@xxthexcaliburxx
3 жыл бұрын
I really like the admirals uniform, say what you want about Discovery but it really is well designed. I've actually always thought of Discovery's style as a visual-reboot and it never really bothered me that things look different than other entries in the franchise.
@douglasmiller8607
3 жыл бұрын
It's a throw back to ST: TMP
@Bitchslapper316
3 жыл бұрын
They also have a very artistic team working on the space ship designs. Although I didn't care for season 1 we got about a dozen unique different federation ship designs. We haven't seen that in any star trek series to date.
@xxthexcaliburxx
3 жыл бұрын
@@Bitchslapper316 Yeah they might be "ugly" in some cases but they're diverse and not the usual shape Starfleet designs have in earlier Trek entries, and honestly they designed new ships instead of reusing old models so even if you don't like them you have to appreciate the effort put into it.
@Bitchslapper316
3 жыл бұрын
@@xxthexcaliburxx Yep
@alphanerd7221
2 жыл бұрын
@@Bitchslapper316 Then why do all the ships look like crap?
@demicus
3 жыл бұрын
I remember when people bitched at ENT for having time travel be too much of a focus, for its 'temporal cold war' being too outlandish. Well now DIS is throwing all sensibility out the airlock... if the ship had airlocks and not a single forcefield...
@jamesfortune243
3 жыл бұрын
There's no way you can lie to me, but I still don't trust you. :)
@Delogros
3 жыл бұрын
Just because you think your telling the truth doesn't actually mean you are, or you can tell a variation of the truth etc etc.
@jamesfortune243
3 жыл бұрын
@@Delogros Point taken
@Gruegirl
2 ай бұрын
"There was only ever one time crystal" right after you established that Borath has a whole *MINE* full of the stuff.
@ElysaraCh
2 ай бұрын
...and they protect them very strongly. Discovery was only able to get one time crystal. And while it's not touched upon in the show, I'd imagine Borath is probably no longer a viable source of time crystals anymore after the temporal accords and all that. Don't get me wrong, the whole "planet of time crystals" thing is pretty goofy, but they handled it about as well as you can handle a macguffin like that.
@dixievfd55
3 жыл бұрын
2:38 That war was caused by Noye along with his Tuterian/Sphere Builder, Vorgon, Nakhul, and Terran allies. All because we tried to bring back Romulus during the Iconian War resulting in alterations to the timeline. The Tuterians were assimilated by the Borg thus Noye's wife ceased to exist, but her log entries did not. His quest for vengeance ranged from the 22nd century to the 29th century ending at the Battle of Procyon V in the 26th century. No wonder they decided to give in to the Tholians and make all time travel illegal.
@daefaron
3 жыл бұрын
Actually, star trek online is not considered canon to the shows/films. It ties into them, and IIRC CBS/star trek owners do talk to the game devs a lot, but they aren't explicitly canon. What they are referring to is Enterprise, which had the Temporal Cold War. This is the origin/reference of the Temporal war in STO.
@russell5078084
2 ай бұрын
I miss Trek when it was still Trek
@Stanf954
3 жыл бұрын
The temporal agent known only as Daniels was an operative from the 31st century and a major player in the Temporal Cold War. Daniels had frequent interactions with the crew of Enterprise NX-01 in the 2150s and often assisted them in preventing temporal incursions by various factions in the Cold War. How did Danials not warn Archer about the Burn?
@joermnyc
3 жыл бұрын
Perhaps by ending the war, the timeline reset after Daniels left Archer, the burn happened, and Daniels wasn’t allowed to warn anyone in the past because of the Temporal Accords?
@generaljoe3447
3 жыл бұрын
There wouldn't have been a point to it. Archer wouldn't have been able to steer events in a different direction, even if he tried. By the time of STD and TOS, he was at least an elderly man if not straight up in the grave. No-one beyond his crew would've believed him, either. Maybe except Section 31. Maybe that's who Daniels works for, given his choice of colour in his attire.
@brianmcdonald6519
3 жыл бұрын
Unless I'm mistaken, it is mentioned in one of the episodes that the Burn happened only about 120 or so years before Discovery arrived in that era. What good would it have done to warn Archer about the Burn, when there was nothing he could have done about it anyway.
@brianmcdonald6519
3 жыл бұрын
@@generaljoe3447 Archer was more than likely dead by the time of TOS and STD. This was supposedly about 100 years after NX-01. The general consensus is 100 years from Archer to Kirk, 100 years from Kirk to Picard
@generaljoe3447
3 жыл бұрын
@@brianmcdonald6519 That's what I'm saying. Archer wouldn't have been able to do anything about it. I only put in the option he might've been alive cos of how advanced medical tech is in the Federation, even at its inception, but yeah. The more likely option is that he's long since dead, so my point still stands.
@magicstix0r
3 жыл бұрын
"Your existence is by definition a crime..." He's just echoing the sentiment of Trek fans when they watch the drivel that is Discovery...
@douglasmckenzie3324
3 жыл бұрын
He wouldn't get away with say this to Captain Kirk
@spadesofpaintstudios1719
3 жыл бұрын
Not at all if anything Kirk and Spock would wipe the floor with this
@alphanerd7221
2 жыл бұрын
Kirk would give a speech that would fix their whole backwards society.
@JonatasMonte
3 жыл бұрын
0:56 Understatement of the century.
@emperorsean1
3 жыл бұрын
I agree with the admiral on all counts.
@spadesofpaintstudios1719
3 жыл бұрын
Idk how
@Slayer398
3 жыл бұрын
Why? Did you lose any and all rational or logical thought processes?
@Vandrock
3 жыл бұрын
@@Slayer398 The writers did so why not the fans too.
@Gryffyth_Aurum
3 жыл бұрын
Wow, straight up horrible writing. If anyone in the past did anything to change the future no one in the future would know.
@UGNAvalon
3 жыл бұрын
Temporal enforcement ships have already been shown to monitor changes in the timeline. Heck, even the relatively “primitive” ships of the TNG-thru-VOY era had means of sensing changes in “temporal radiation”.
@CrackedCandy
Жыл бұрын
ST:D "Your presence here, by definition is a crime." No truer words were spoken. Glad I never watched this past three episodes.
@kenmasters734
3 жыл бұрын
The title of this clip literally sums up Star Trek Discovery.
@kektuss
3 жыл бұрын
Note he said that he acts in accordance to federation “ideals” not regulations
@cgavin1
Жыл бұрын
The writing in this show is a crime. Dispenses entire history and current disposition of Star Fleet: says not at liberty to discuss intelligence. Says #1 priority is that the past can't influence the future: says he's going to re-assign the crew. WTF? Who writes this crispiness?
@awesomehpt8938
3 жыл бұрын
The existence of Star Trek Discovery is by definition a crime.
@trenthawkins
Жыл бұрын
I've seen a few comments here to the tune of "Why would something from the past even be a threat to the future, why would that be a law?" While things from the past are certainly less likely to be a threat to the future simply by being there (Discovery's antiquated offensive and defensive capabilities pre-refit (other than the spore drive) were somewhat akin to that scene in TNG of someone attempting to use a laser weapon against the Enterprise); I imagine the law was INTENDED more to criminalize the act of going into the future to retrieve information and/or technology and then *returning* to the past. One-way trips to the future MAY be (provisionally) fine; but the rub here is that Discovery has *several* unexplained and undocumented technologies. They SAY it was the red-angel suit which enabled time travel, and that it is now gone. But for all Starfleet knows, the spore-drive could achieve the same result, or WAS the temporal technology. And now there's the sphere-data - an equally unknown and potentially temporally active technology. THAT (I think) is what is outlawed; The POTENTIAL of them returning to, and thereby altering, the past. It is why the admiral refused to share any intelligence on 'the burn' (so they can't go back and prevent it / warn about it), and why Starfleet was so quick to refit and integrate the ship and disperse the crew. In refitting the ship they can ensure it is made to be non-temporal, and by dispersing the crew, they make it harder for them to *want* to return to the past - because they would have to leave people behind. This was poorly communicated to us, the audience. I am making a lot of assumptions in the above just for the admiral's statements and actions to make sense, and THAT is where the writing on Discovery tends to flounder. There's trusting your audience, and then there's throwing them in the deep end without even a life preserver handy.
@TheGreatGooglyMoogly430
3 жыл бұрын
Is that a hover chair?
@999benhonda
3 жыл бұрын
Discovery loves pointless tech.
@Stranglars1
3 жыл бұрын
@@999benhonda We do too, it's called social media!
@IchigoKurosakicool
3 жыл бұрын
@@999benhonda pointless you say, lmao
@saalkz.a.9715
3 жыл бұрын
Yeap, and it's full of (holographic) eels...
@spadesofpaintstudios1719
3 жыл бұрын
@@Stranglars1 not necessarily
@aisnota5192
3 жыл бұрын
Archer be like *First time?*
@VJK102
3 ай бұрын
2:51 by that very definition, everyone in the universe is violating that law at every second... People from the past are ALWAYS shaping the future, at every second
@calebblevins6415
Жыл бұрын
"20 years ago we outlawed looking at AI, which your first officer just did, the penalty is immediate ejection." This Admiral probably.
@2Scribble
Жыл бұрын
2:43 - nice Enterprise nod
@TreyMcDonaldAnimator
3 жыл бұрын
Did they ever mention the Admiral here was Bajoran?
@anthonycunningham8116
3 жыл бұрын
I imagine not, given his human name, and the lack of any distinguishing features that might make him look Bajoran, such as an ear ring or a Bajoran face.
@lumberluc
3 жыл бұрын
Bajoran? Aren't they a deeply spiritualistic race? This admiral didn't seem spiritual at all.
@TreyMcDonaldAnimator
3 жыл бұрын
You know why I was swayed to believe it was a Bajoran? It was the uniform' the insignia and two flaps near the arms look like the Bajoran suits used in DS9 to me. Then again, they probably would have called him a Constable or Major in hindsight.
@softy8088
3 жыл бұрын
@@lumberluc Not every member of a species shares the same beliefs. Ro Laren in particular was very non-spiritual and looked on a lot of Bajoran beliefs with disdain. (Until she thought she'd died, of course.)
@alphanerd7221
2 жыл бұрын
@@lumberluc Well it's been 700 years maybe they stopped their privative worship of godlike aliens.
@aiosquadron
3 жыл бұрын
A predestination paradox.
@gerryfogarty8274
3 жыл бұрын
I do not think this is applicable in this instance!
@jonathanmckeage8222
3 жыл бұрын
That bull Voyager has records of the spore drive
@austinperry1671
3 жыл бұрын
I wonder how the Borg handled the burn?
@mdxque8393
2 жыл бұрын
They use sub-space relays that, as far as I can tell, function similar to the spore drive. So I don't think the Borg even know about the Burn. I have no in canon reason why they haven't shown up to take advantage of the Alpha/Beta quadrant being in turmoil, other than they might not know about burn for the aforementioned reasons. As for out behind the scenes reasons, the Borg were Trek most powerful "bad guy" faction and some might not think a ship from the 22nd century would be able to take on 33rd century Borg ships or simply just didn't want to use them as they were kinda used a lot in Voyager and wanted their own "bad guy faction".
@MrAcook1985
3 ай бұрын
I miss the screens with bubbles :-)
@archmagosdeciuskronen1501
3 жыл бұрын
I just came here to see Burnham get shwacked by "need to know basis" regulation. She needs to shut up more during parlé with command.
@lumberluc
3 жыл бұрын
She can't even mention Section 31. They are a shadow-ops group of the Feds.
@KenshiImmortalWolf
Жыл бұрын
the only missstep is openly suggesting he would break up discoveries crew after hearing that story, after all these people are all each other have after traveling roughly a thousand years from their own time, all their friends, family, and homes are gone, even if their worlds are still out there and doing well what they knew is gone. Openly suggesting you would shatter the only family unit they have left was a step to far not only in how to handle the situation but the idea of it. After all the sp here data and spore drive is to valuable to suddenly pull the people most familar with it away.
@blakesapper555
3 жыл бұрын
Who here thinks the burn is related to the ancient AI messege from star trek picard?
@AppliedCryogenics
2 жыл бұрын
Why do Star Trek clips on KZitem never have automatic closed captioning? I can put up a video of anything and it automatically gets closed captions. Is it purposefully disabled to avoid some kind of copyright issue?
@FerretJohn
Жыл бұрын
Actually their presence is not a crime. One of the basic tenants of Law is that Laws cannot be retroactive, not even temporal laws, you can't be charged for something that wasn't illegal at the time you did it. The Time-Travel Laws were set in place centuries after Discovery's point of origin.
@KnowTrentTimoy
3 жыл бұрын
That means there are probably species working on board Discovery who's member worlds are no longer a part of this future federation. I'm sure there will be an episode or two in the future to reflect that.
@Bitchslapper316
3 жыл бұрын
I doubt it, there is no specific number but as far as I can tell there were only 30 some odd federation member worlds from the time discovery came from. I don't know why Burnham looks shocked when she hears 38. If this was a ship from a TNG/STP era I could see this being an issue because they had 150-200 member worlds by that point.
@KnowTrentTimoy
3 жыл бұрын
@@Bitchslapper316 Burnham did get there a full year before Discovery came through. I'm thinking in that timeframe she learned a lot about the federation and it's home worlds, so, she would have known the number and when Admiral Vance told her and Saru the current status she genuinely felt a sense of great loss.
@Bitchslapper316
3 жыл бұрын
@@KnowTrentTimoy Yeah that would make sense. A bit off topic. Now that I think about it scale of the galaxy didn't seem very consistent or perhaps the scale of the chain and the federation, I'm not sure. When Book and Burnham got to earth on the discovery she said something along the lines of "new quadrant fresh start" implying they weren't in chain territory anymore or at least out of their sphere of influence. However the chain was consistently in the rest of the season at different parts of the galaxy butting heads with the federation on numerous fronts so it seems they had a wider influence then earlier implied. It also feels like Burnham or Book should have at least come across some federation ships if the chain and the federation were at odds so much. I know it was said earlier in the season that earth and I guess by proxy Vulcan was to far away but that distance and the size of the galaxy seemed to have been forgotten later in the season even when dealing with even non spore drive ships.
@KnowTrentTimoy
3 жыл бұрын
@@Bitchslapper316 The warp drive scale seems to have been upgraded as well. It's been nearly a thousand years and one would think that transwarp drive was commonplace but it looks like warp (or super warp) drive is still the fashionable way to get around the galaxy. It appears that the chain was significantly formidable and was kept under tow by Ocyrus but once she was killed this chain fractured into smaller parts so, there strength has diminished and given starfleet more influence in the galaxy. Now that they have the dilithium planet to feed the starved members of the federation and it's allies the galaxy has a renewed sense of hope that the federation will come back together and I think that's were Discovery season 4 will concentrate it's focus on. Discovery's spore drive is still in play and gives Discovery a unique mission to help mitigate the fractured federation since the burn. I don't see how Discovery's spore drive isn't a part of Starfleets mission to help it's former worlds unite with the federation.
@dustinjoosen5901
3 жыл бұрын
i mean... humans aren't in the federation either at that point
@dougclark9921
2 жыл бұрын
This should have been a series set 100 years after NG which explained the spore drive. That would have done away with all the rubbish they did to avoid inconsistencies and the ones they did create regardless. The jump to the future and/or parallel universe could still have been done. 3 decent stories spread over 4 or 5 seasons. Unfortunately, whatever the story the urge to vomit or kick the TV while watching it is too strong so I doubt it would make a difference. All the crying, questioning orders, disobeying orders, heavy-handed "moral of the story" moments and stupid decisions would turn gone with the wind into garbage.
@Gavs_Playlist9755
3 жыл бұрын
Time crystals are a real thing discovered not to long ago but they work a lot diffrently than in the show
@michaelmichaelagnew8503
2 жыл бұрын
No that would be the drugs your taking messing up your mind.
@Gavs_Playlist9755
2 жыл бұрын
@@michaelmichaelagnew8503 I'm being serious and they can just remember the paturn they were in before something was done to them like metals that can come back to their original shape after you heat it up
@alluringming
2 жыл бұрын
Technology from discovery just seem to advanced for the era its in, even bit more advanced from what we see in tng, ds9, and voyager.
@superzentredi
3 жыл бұрын
How can a show with such a high budget and high quality visual effects still seem cheap.
@Gunnar001
3 жыл бұрын
Also the writing and characters are embarrassingly terrible.
@Leisurelee53
3 жыл бұрын
Because it's shite
@Jin-1337
3 жыл бұрын
The acting is something. Both of them looks at each other twice with the same expression. Not to mention what used to be a mix of characters from different species, they're now replaced with mostly women and one obviously alien race. Not saying it's feminist propaganda but y'know.
@alphanerd7221
2 жыл бұрын
Horrible, horrible actors.
@alphanerd7221
2 жыл бұрын
@@Jin-1337 If it was feminist propaganda the best captain on the show wouldn't have been a man. It's just bad.
@peaceweapon1933
2 жыл бұрын
The Discovery is the special snowflake of starships. It has a special drive and a sentient being inside it, and it's responsible for saving all organic life in the universe, and it zooms into different universes and the future for some reason, it's like a little kid writing a story.
@opposite_hedgehog_753
3 жыл бұрын
Doug Jones is easily the best part of this show.
@TheShootist
2 жыл бұрын
sorry bub, but there is no "best part of this show".
@opposite_hedgehog_753
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheShootist well better than everything else
@Robosapien_
3 жыл бұрын
A yes, the Turian legal application method.
@xerex21212
3 жыл бұрын
Why is Burnham interrupting an Admiral ? And the AI states what we all know - that Burnham is prone to emotional exaggeration not Vulcan calm.
@travisfoster1071
3 жыл бұрын
Human, not Vulcan... And, being the mother of all Mary Sue's in Star Trek kind of makes her a loud mouth, superior interrupting know it all.
@RichardStrong86
3 жыл бұрын
She spent a year doing her own thing and developed a kind of... relaxed approach to starfleet rules. I believe she expressed hesitation at going back to the starfleet way in an earlier episode.
@sitoudien9816
3 жыл бұрын
Since season 1 she is like that. Talks over people and does her own thing. She is a very unlikable character. You can't have such an unlikable character lead a show. Everybody wanted to be Kirk and buy his action figure. Nobody wants ts to be MB and buy her action figure.
@austinbate5107
3 жыл бұрын
@@sitoudien9816 Ok that was such an opinionated comment
@AngelaRyanXX
3 жыл бұрын
@@sitoudien9816 Shut up, she's awesome.
@gabesarti7184
2 ай бұрын
After watching Stark Trek Enterprise and the consequences of the Temporal Cold War, I can fully understand where the admiral is coming from.
@ShamrockParticle
3 жыл бұрын
Cool scene, nice way to patch up continuity for those who want it while exploring something new
@vsGoliath96
Жыл бұрын
The only thing criminal here is the writing of this show.
@nicholasrolo886
3 жыл бұрын
We're still analyzing the cause of the.... spatial and..... temporal....Variances? In our exiting the wormhole?
@allynflinchbaugh4570
23 күн бұрын
Well, traveling into the past to change the past is different than traveling into the future. In fact, we are all traveling into the future, at a speed of one second per second.
@ThaddeusGhostal
3 жыл бұрын
The Admiral is also the voice of Osiris from destiny 2.
@ThaddeusGhostal
3 жыл бұрын
What was your point?
@ThaddeusGhostal
3 жыл бұрын
@Clifford Terrell yes he definitely does alot of voice overs. Very talented.
@michaelmacleod6517
3 жыл бұрын
Discovery in it's entireity, is a crime. Honestly, the less power Burnham has, or even the less Burnham there was in the show would have been tolerable. Three minutes into this and I already want to see more of the Admiral instead of the Discovery crew. THAT'S Starfleet. Something NOT centered around Michael Burnham.
@Creasy5678
3 жыл бұрын
Not all of it, Discovery as a vessel and idea works, although retconning it into Star Trek was a bad idea, especially given a 932-year jump into the future. But, Burnham is sometimes annoying, I'll give you that. This Starfleet Admiral is among the first to behave as though Starfleet actually matters more than a Prototype starship, though, which is a start.
@michaelmacleod6517
3 жыл бұрын
@@Creasy5678 Fair enough.
@alphanerd7221
2 жыл бұрын
Sometimes there is some scene between a couple of characters that aren't awful and the show is good for a second and then Burnham or Tilly shows up and starts running their mouths.
@waltergiles86
2 жыл бұрын
Is the "Burn" short for Burnham?🤔
@TimothyMorigeau
3 жыл бұрын
Admiral Vance 🤩
@somegirl558
2 жыл бұрын
Oh, blooms: I love to be dangerous.
@thegreatbamboozler4837
3 жыл бұрын
A star trek series that's defaulted back to time travel for storylines???? Wow....that's original. They should leave time to the experts...the Doctor
@sazerchu
3 жыл бұрын
yeah sadly once you start getting into the cliche of time travel and conspiracies as a plot devices you are running out of ideas for a show and its time to move on and leave it to history. They gotta milk the name for all its worth and lots of writers wanna try to be the next hit of course however. Dr who was pretty self contained and trapped everything in other separate universes that never interacted. Discovery has failed this. "Fallen man" seems to be a pretty common themes these days in science fiction though.
@thegreatbamboozler4837
3 жыл бұрын
@@sazerchu yep, was a big TNG fan until every other episode was fixed by time travel 😮
@alphanerd7221
2 жыл бұрын
Doctor Who is like Trek for people that can't think.
@thegreatbamboozler4837
2 жыл бұрын
@@alphanerd7221 awwwwwwww..... yer mama was a Paclid!!!
@alphanerd7221
2 жыл бұрын
@@thegreatbamboozler4837 The wit of the Dr Who fan, hard at work and failing as always.
@crystalfajman3732
Жыл бұрын
How could people from the past know that Time Travel is illegal in the future? Plus, what about all the instances of spontaneous/accidental time travel?
@sirclownsalot5800
3 жыл бұрын
this show is a crime
@GrimChu69
Жыл бұрын
Defenition!
@hawkstringfellow
3 жыл бұрын
Thats because it is not cannon adirmal they are not real starfleet well maybe sauru is Starfleet. But Burnham is not a good officer
@RichardStrong86
3 жыл бұрын
Another whiner.
@austinbate5107
3 жыл бұрын
Oh my god you old Star Trek fans are so annoying. Why is it that you have the mind width of a teaspoon? The hate for Burnham is really pathetic.
@aaronsibley
3 жыл бұрын
can you learn to form a sentence before you make crappy statements?
@tommasoamorosi4553
3 жыл бұрын
Old fans most likely wont like Star trek discovery. I knew that going it. Doesn't mean I do not respect the old star trek. Also can we just enjoy it without comparing it to the old star trek please? That would make old star trek fans easier to deal with.
@tommasoamorosi4553
3 жыл бұрын
@@klemonster58 I love it too. I am watching every episode on release without waiting a day to watch it.
@Milk-ew4pf
2 жыл бұрын
did Starfleet not once mention spore drive technology in it's database?
@brendanpaterson5635
2 жыл бұрын
Never seen these characters before - what is this version of Star Trek called, and when did it first appear? TIA.
@TheDivineYinzer
3 жыл бұрын
Technically I wonder if the dr from voyager could still be active
@dawicked2k8
3 жыл бұрын
Maybe just deactivated, he was a Mark 1 and im guessing they no longer use “old” models
@NuclearFridge1
Жыл бұрын
Voyager episode "Living Witness", set in year 3074... Not too far from where this is.
@thiagodeandrade7081
27 күн бұрын
Trek has been forgeting from the 1960s that Kirk already had a lie detector.
@89five3five
9 ай бұрын
How did the Admiral not ground discovery? It has a unique proposal system. If I’m the admiral, discovery would never fly again, and I would put my best scientists and engineers on reputing the system to retrofit into every other ship.
@ratuadilFF
3 жыл бұрын
Kalian harus mencicipi apa rasanya dibedah tanpa kalian kehendaki. Apa rasanya di bedah paksa seolah kalian berwenang
@TheShootist
2 жыл бұрын
i suppose one has to be born after 1980 to appreciate this pile of hezmana.
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