Great discussion, and that intro was masterful. Even setting aside the politics, just as a piece of entertainment I hated this movie and what the obligatory praise it got from mainstream critics says about our culture. Another thing about the movie is the marketing and discussion around it made a big deal about how realistic it was, like it was practically a documentary. Jacob Bacharach had a great insight about that: "It’s interesting that we should take up this particular narrative detail [the use of torture in finding bin Laden] as a mark of the movie’s verisimilitude (or lack thereof), given that the entire story is patently bogus... As critics, the question we ought to consider is not, how does this film deviate from reality and, in so doing, become propaganda, but rather, what sort of reality can be so innately and inherently cinematic that it satisfies the artificial demands of narrative realism without significant alteration? If the question of the film’s realness and accuracy is simply, did torture work?, then we should ask: how could it be that a piece of actual history, but for a detail or two, is so neatly constructed that it fits without change into a wide-release, cinematic format? Consider that the movie contains assassination scenes filmed in real time based on assassination scenes filmed in real time. How do filmmakers make less true that which was arranged to give the mere appearance of truth in the first place?" He was prescient to write that before Seymour Hersh's reporting called into question the White House narrative. Another element of the raid that gets forgotten is how the White House released information that they themselves soon after admitted wasn't true, like the story about bin Laden hiding behind women in the compound, and no one cared.
@RememberShuffle
8 ай бұрын
Thank you for pulling up that quote, that's great. Yeah, I think I've since found out as well that Bigelow got inside info into the raid, on the condition that the film portray the org with a softer touch, which is an insane quid pro quo for art to be making. But that quote is absolutely right, that the oscillation between verisimilitude and not can really make you confused about what is true and what isn't.
@geridanton
8 ай бұрын
@@RememberShuffle I'm a big fan of Jacob Bacharach's writing. He had a great review of Skyfall too if you ever do a James Bond episode, although that was 2012 so maybe out of your purview. A Bond episode could be interesting because the 2000's had both Die Another Day and Casino Royale, about as polar opposite Bond movies as you could imagine.
@charitymuto
8 ай бұрын
The Onion had another great parody of CIA girlbossing: "Gina Haspel Recalls Having To Torture More Prisoners Than Male Colleagues To Prove Herself"
@RememberShuffle
8 ай бұрын
hahaha, oh nice. I do love The Onion, was happy to hear about its strong Daily Show connections
@badhoplite7299
6 ай бұрын
@@RememberShuffle episode on the Onion plz, especially the infamous Joe Biden cool Stepdad one
@lexerdaniel4843
8 ай бұрын
My only problem with the movie is that they didn’t show Osama’s porn collection. I guess they didn’t want to humanize him. And in the movie they didn’t canoe Osama, which is the real deal reason we threw his corpse in the ocean rather than bring it home. He had no head.
@RememberShuffle
8 ай бұрын
yeah, nor do they show the SEALS arguing about who was really the one to shoot him. What kind of porn was he into?
@jonsinobi
8 ай бұрын
Clicking play on the video and immediately getting extreme psychic damage. It also occurs to me that I don't think I've ever heard the CIA advert without bracing for uproarious cackling right after "impostor syndrome" is mentionned.
@RememberShuffle
8 ай бұрын
it's truly impossible. "Cis gendered millenial with general anxiety disorder" is another all timer
@Nest_Egg
8 ай бұрын
Discovered the pod a couple months ago and finally went back and listened to your old episodes. Love the podcast and hope you guys keep it up
@RememberShuffle
8 ай бұрын
hell yeah, thanks! can I ask how you discovered it?
@Nest_Egg
8 ай бұрын
@@RememberShuffle I think KZitem recommended a Chapo clip you guys uploaded
@nodee1
8 ай бұрын
The movie review episodes are great! Don't listen to the haters
@RememberShuffle
8 ай бұрын
Thank you, will no longer listen to my family. Plus this is like 4 IRL episode in the last 2 months, surely we get a little lee way now for some movie eps
@christophersmall4603
8 ай бұрын
I hate to "um, actually this," but the abolitionists DID make the argument that slavery was bad because it was un-economical
@RememberShuffle
8 ай бұрын
Haha, ofc. I'm sure that worked and was very compelling to the Confederacy
@RememberShuffle
8 ай бұрын
Ben here, guy who said that bit. I guess "abolitionist" is too broad a brush to paint with. When I made the bit, I was thinking of your John Browns, your Sojourner Truths, your William Loyd Garrisons (the dude who literally burned the constitution at a rally for being a pro-slavery document). I was imagining the cool, radical ones more than I was the free soilers. But "could you imagine the 19th century abolitionists arguing this way" is a punchier setup than "could you imagine specifically the radical element of the 19th century abolitionists, specifically not the Free Soil Party and its supporters, arguing this way" haha.
@christophersmall4603
8 ай бұрын
@@RememberShuffle Oh, yeah, sure. It's just kind of funny to me that a lot of abolitionists were also very lib-brained people
@DTCTVP
8 ай бұрын
I think Hurt Locker also started with a Chris Hedges quote from his book *War is a force that gives us meaning*.
@RememberShuffle
8 ай бұрын
OOoff, tough for those that put their eggs in THAT basket
@UntoTheBreach24
8 ай бұрын
Congrats on an auspicious 5.55k subscribers, and thanks for that good good content
@RememberShuffle
8 ай бұрын
Thank you--hoping to post back to back weeks this coming weekend
@VYBEKAT
8 ай бұрын
That was the greatest cold open I've ever heard. Incredibly disturbing. I am shaken to my core
@RememberShuffle
7 ай бұрын
Thanks. Yeah, that ad was all I could think about when I was watching those torture scenes in the movie
@Mr1930s
8 ай бұрын
We love our CIA propaganda😊😊
@Radiohead801
8 ай бұрын
We love our cops…our law enforcement. 😂😂
@RememberShuffle
8 ай бұрын
yes we love it so much that our friendly hangouts at Christmas revolve only around watching these 3 hour movies
@princejellyfish3945
8 ай бұрын
Another great episode guys. Definitely a good companion piece to the recent Pat Tillman one. Also a vague suggestion for a future episode would be finding a way to discuss rap and hip hop thru the 2000’s, because while it had been trending towards the blingy wealth driven aesthetic before, it really exploded during the aughts, which led to its own backlash in the 2010’s.
@RememberShuffle
7 ай бұрын
yes, it's in the works. Always tough with music because it's a bit more cryptic, but will focus more on the genre's change through a specific artist
@princejellyfish3945
7 ай бұрын
@@RememberShuffle thanks for the reply. Enjoy how you guys approach topics so that should be a fun one
@BrownCornelius000
8 ай бұрын
The Hurt Locker is so dumb.
@RememberShuffle
8 ай бұрын
maybe it was just watching it after ZD30 that made it seem so much better in comparison
@collindysart6472
8 ай бұрын
Your family and friends who don’t like your movie episodes are not your real family friends. They don’t have your best interests at heart.
@RememberShuffle
8 ай бұрын
thank you for confirming this. i had long suspected. Going to let them know
@palchristianandersen9086
8 ай бұрын
Ladies and gentlemen, they got me.. I mean, we got him... I mean, justice has been done.
@RememberShuffle
8 ай бұрын
There was a Mandela effect thing that happened to me where I did forget that that conference was about Saddam and not OBL
@sym8246-f5c
8 ай бұрын
She is not an imposter. She was not a diversity hire.
@RememberShuffle
8 ай бұрын
She's the motherfucker who found this dog collar
@ploob906
8 ай бұрын
My life is not a box checking exercise 🫡
@lexerdaniel4843
8 ай бұрын
Epic opening. Flat out epic.
@RememberShuffle
8 ай бұрын
thanks, yeah it's what I kept thinking about during that torture scene. "This is the same organization that put out that commercial"
@justcommenting4981
8 ай бұрын
So Cold War is when BDSM was scientifically perfected.
@RememberShuffle
8 ай бұрын
East and West German agents did a lot of experimentation to discover each other's safewords
@MrMeatballYT
8 ай бұрын
Gaslight, Gatekeep, Guantanamo Bay
@RememberShuffle
8 ай бұрын
hahaha, the Gate here is a literal one
@DJGenericname
8 ай бұрын
Great intro, I know this episode is going to be a good one.
@RememberShuffle
8 ай бұрын
thanks, yeah it's what I kept thinking about during that torture scene. "This is the same organization that put out that commercial"
@stabbedwestward725
8 ай бұрын
That opening is honestly up there with nick mullen and that whole speech that started with ever since i can remember I’ve wanted to be a poster
@RememberShuffle
8 ай бұрын
I think that's Mike Recine?
@No.0.o.0
3 ай бұрын
The Tony impression is really strong
@venuswilliamsinfurs
8 ай бұрын
Great ep. Thanks guybosses.
@RememberShuffle
8 ай бұрын
lmao. Need to start saying " I am GuyBossing right now"
@adriandavies8097
8 ай бұрын
The worst is when the torturer references a Wung Tang Clan intro
@RememberShuffle
8 ай бұрын
Ugh--really? Do you recall the line? That's brutal stuff. Another case of maybe brilliant satire that this guy who represents the state identifying with the extrelegal outlaw.
@rynolord2308
8 ай бұрын
This is epic
@RememberShuffle
8 ай бұрын
what could be more epic than our handsome operators
@zachschwenk4879
8 ай бұрын
Was great boys and a special thanks for reminding me to toss in a lipper #operatorstyle
@RememberShuffle
8 ай бұрын
I real tough movie to not think about Zyns during
@asdsafasf3
7 ай бұрын
damn, thats crazy.
@tapefilter2000
8 ай бұрын
banger ep
@RememberShuffle
8 ай бұрын
this one is up there with Spike TV among the most fun to record
@ArgDu
7 ай бұрын
I for one will never forget the events of 5/1. When John Cena neutralized Osama bin Laden LIVE ON MONDAY NIGHT RAW.
@MrDevival
8 ай бұрын
y'all girlbossed the fuck out of this one
@RememberShuffle
8 ай бұрын
the highest of compliments
@kevincullen6627
8 ай бұрын
Slayyy Qweeen
@RememberShuffle
8 ай бұрын
"They are not actually Slaying, it just FEELS like they are Slaying"
@elchucabagra
Ай бұрын
comment
@WitchApprentice
8 ай бұрын
kzitem.info/news/bejne/sItv0WWrmmZli6g Torture to some, but not to others!
@RememberShuffle
8 ай бұрын
I could just send you the file directly? You have reached out over email right?
@WitchApprentice
8 ай бұрын
@@RememberShuffle Oh haha I was just kidding, but sure if it's not too much trouble. It's very nice of you to be so receptive to your fans.
@BigHomieGayAss1917
8 ай бұрын
Girlbossing in the Fourth Reich, hell yeah
@RememberShuffle
7 ай бұрын
lol, alternative title to that Leni Riefenstahl documentary
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