As an engineer this discussion at granular level on bleeding edge battery work just so interesting thanks Munro and Associates and Zeta Energy these deep dive specifics are genius insights.
@nononsenseBennett
Жыл бұрын
I'm very intrigued by the growth of these tubes. I hope to see more on this technology
@tarstarkusz
Жыл бұрын
No. This was long on promises, long on fluff and very exceptionally short on actual data or even a sample battery.
@mattbutler8880
Жыл бұрын
This is alchemy
@rwyo83
Жыл бұрын
another scam
@danielene7904
Жыл бұрын
He is retired, this is what he loves doing 😉
@danielroden9424
Жыл бұрын
the regularity and uniformity of those nanotubes is kind of mind blowing
@nononsenseBennett
Жыл бұрын
Reminds me of the filaments of asbestos. Could this be a health hazard in handling when recycling?
@karenrobertsdottir4101
Жыл бұрын
It's a nice science experiment, but it's always hard to believe that CVT can get the throughput for something that needs to be as cheap as battery electrodes. That said, they are dealing with quite short CNTs, so 30 seconds isn't terrible, and if they go to even smaller coating thicknesses (lower energy density, higher power)... maybe? :) The other issue I'd *really* want to know more is their cathode chemistry. As a general rule, all the methods I've seen to alter the cathode chemistry to prevent the polysulfide shuttle problem dramatically reduce the energy density.
@dantebarnes8187
Жыл бұрын
@@nononsenseBennett interesting insight, recyclability is vastly important I would think.
@geoffgeoff3333
Жыл бұрын
@No Nonsense Bennett only 5% of asbestos was crystalline (cannot be easily expelled from body by cilia&mucus) - the majority was 95% amorphous and easily removed. The hysteria over asbestos was initially ginned-up by the Trial Liars and their well-paid so-called expert witnesses from the lower echelons of their graduating class. As always, once the hysteria gets going, it's impossible to stop. Analogous to bank runs on o/w solvent banks, planetary global warming hysteria even though we know other planets in solar system also warming, shipyard workers getting lung cancer while insulating hulls and smoking 2 packs/day, EMF cancer claims when HV Line workers have no increased cancer rate than genpop, etc., etc., ad nauseum.
@Mathis218337
Жыл бұрын
@@nononsenseBennett just don't inhale it lol
@henrykleyn3423
Жыл бұрын
This is a proper conversation where everyone listens to and understands one another. Thank you for a clear and concise video.
@johnjaeger4804
Жыл бұрын
Very impressed with your work Sandy. it’s great that you continue to contribute to the world of engineering even though you could probably afford to retire. you obviously are well respected in the community. Thank you.
@DEtchells
Жыл бұрын
Hah, I’m sure there’s no “probably” about Sandy’s ability to retire if he wanted to 😁
@johnjaeger4804
Жыл бұрын
@@DEtchells no doubt but he obviously loves his work. too bad most people can’t do that
@myjizzureye
Жыл бұрын
@@johnjaeger4804 I love your father and there is no "probably" about his ability to push back.
@ramblerandy2397
Жыл бұрын
I just love these informed conversations around the table. Especially as I've got to the point in the last year or so where at least 90% of the info is staying in my brain, and the understanding isn't so temporary any more. So, for me, this was a truly great episode. Can't wait for the next one. And by the way, they can be as long as you like.
@bui340
Жыл бұрын
What's the secret of your currently well working brain?
@ramblerandy2397
Жыл бұрын
@@bui340I wish there was a secret. But it's just repeated exposure to this kind of stuff.
@myuzu_
Жыл бұрын
@@bui340 His neurons have achieved peak gradient descent
@mikejames4784
Жыл бұрын
I'm not convinced they have eliminated the dendrite issue. Looking forward to hearing more about this company. Thank you Munro live for putting this together.
@w8stral
Жыл бұрын
Dendrites will ALWAYS happen due to dissimilar materials etc, the Q, is how fast they grow before another failure happens.
@Georgewilliamherbert
Жыл бұрын
@@w8stral Their explanation about swelling resistance seems credible given the CNT forest-swelling should fill in the gaps not “out”. The cathode sulphur migration mitigation seems credible. But dendrites ... they suggest it’s not a problem but will need to show in details why.
@w8stral
Жыл бұрын
@@Georgewilliamherbert No, they did not say dendrites are not a problem just that their design severely hinders dendrite formation rate. True, they did not use the word rate, but that is the simple truth for any dissimilar material.
@gregbailey45
Жыл бұрын
I think it's about the nanotubes having oodles of space around them to soak up the Lithium.
@phillyphil1513
Жыл бұрын
re: "I'm not convinced they have eliminated the dendrite issue." exactly those who are astute/paying attention will recognize how they are not the first to claim to have resolved this issue. in fact those in the chat who aren't "baby young to the world" will recall how we heard all this same HYPE and CONJECTURE in regards to Super Conductivity back 30+ years ago (ref: circa 1992) yeah "Pepperidge Farm Remembers". now I know it's hard to believe but the 4 men speaking in video are not REMOTELY the only people with decades of Engineering experience across a variety of sectors. no, for example the Auto Industry alone employs over 10 Million people annually, so that roughly leaves another 99,999,996 talented and experienced people you haven't heard from. in fact I just flew back from Salt Lake City having spent a week with 24 others including myself.
@h20dancing18
Жыл бұрын
I hope this tech pulls through. It would be so awesome to smackdown any remaining problems with EVs (minus charging)
@w8stral
Жыл бұрын
Well, when someone invents a moving mass produced lithographic machine this battery tech can become possible, until then, this is a pipe dream.
@DEtchells
Жыл бұрын
Actually, that should be “… other than charging and the total inability of our grid to supply the required energy” (Maybe that’s what you meant by “charging” though.)
@briandbeaudin9166
Жыл бұрын
@@DEtchells ... and the complete inability of our current infrastructure to provide the dozen-or-so supply constrained raw materials at the rates needed (10× or more) to convert an appreciable percentage of the global automotive industry to EV's. Not to mention the massive recycling facilities that would have to be constructed as well. ☹
@DEtchells
Жыл бұрын
@@briandbeaudin9166 Yeah, all that too. It's an even bigger issue than the grid, but either is a showstopper on its own. It's just incomprehensible to me that the "green" forces are shutting down reliable energy production at the same time they're investing billions (many hundreds of them, probably trillions globally) in trying to force an impossible changeover to solar and wind. (And it's clearly not about saving the environment, as any rational person who cared about CO2 would realize that third/fourth-generation nuclear is literally the only non-CO2-emitting way to provide stable baseline generating capacity.) Our energy policies, hundreds of billions dollars of expenditures and the resulting impacts on global health and peace are literally and entirely based on fantasies 😖
@adairjanney7109
Жыл бұрын
evs are not even possible even with new batteries you people are so blind we need 10x more copper, 10x more silver 100x more quartz for it to be even maybe feasible and it isnt and we just lost 40% of the worlds material in Russia and Ukraine for the Jews but even that statement will come off as hate to you, because you have no idea what is going on in the world or what reality is. Of course maybe I am deluded as well but I think I know the truth. Can one ever really know
@marknevar8234
Жыл бұрын
After Tesla bought Maxwell and took what they wanted, they didn't disolve the rest. They sold it back to the VP of sales. It goes by Ucap Power now.
@Gareebaa84
Жыл бұрын
What’s interesting is that they have really failed to implement the gains of that technology i.e. battery day. They have only really implemented a couple of the bunch of innovations i.e. 4680 form factor, tab-less and battery frame. They are struggling to scale the dry coating tech which is key to reducing complexity, cost and waste and I think there was 1 or 2 other things they have yet to deliver on. Hopefully they will get there, but I think they are some time off by the fact they are asking for suppliers for generic 4680 cells.
@marknevar8234
Жыл бұрын
@@Gareebaa84 Perhaps you missed the Investor Day comment where they confirmed dry battery anode and electrode problems were solved at scale.
@Gareebaa84
Жыл бұрын
@@marknevar8234 indeed I did. Thanks. Still skeptical, why order 4680 from other suppliers if after 2yrs investment in scaling up they don't have the capacity yet?
@patreekotime4578
Жыл бұрын
@@Gareebaa84 About the only thing they had failed to deliver on was price, and now prices are coming down as well. The big miss from battery day seems to be the $25k car... now theyd rather sell a $25k robot to take peoples jobs.
@Gareebaa84
Жыл бұрын
@@patreekotime4578 I think you agree price was intentional. There's no reason to reduce price given the demand. U saw them experiment with that price lever recently and now they are sold out again
@dave.cholula
Жыл бұрын
Incredibly interesting discussion! And I'm a food marketing executive with no engineering or technical background. Munro Live is one of my top three go-to KZitem channels PERIOD, regardless of content.
@renekeystone5571
Жыл бұрын
❤
@deanrhodenizer938
Жыл бұрын
Reassuring to see a bit behind the scenes regarding battery technology development. Thank you for bringing this complex topic down to earth. Your guests were superb communicators given the obvious knowledge they possess.
@jbarvideo12
Жыл бұрын
Thanks Sandy for bringing Zeta to discuss their new EV battery. Look forward to hearing more design and performance details from an actual EV battery.
@10001000101
Жыл бұрын
Wow, this was incredible, huge thanks to Zeta and munroe. ♥️
@CyberSQUID9000
Жыл бұрын
One of the best videos for new battery tech I've seen since Maxwell days
@fteoOpty64
Жыл бұрын
Nice promising tech. But Sandy's heart sank when he heard about 2027 availability!.
@privatename123
Жыл бұрын
Love the continuing attempts to make much better batteries, but we’ve seen so many not pan out that proof is needed in order to believe any claims. Good luck to them and us!
@47f0
Жыл бұрын
I want to believe... Just as I have wanted to believe the last dozen or so revolutionary battery technologies over the past couple of decades. Somehow it seems like there is always a bottomless chasm somewhere between the promise and actual production that these technologies inevitably plunge into.
@grzegorzkapica7930
Жыл бұрын
This is so great too watch engineers talk about upcoming technology. MIT's Technology Review on tape. I love it!
@dfinlen
Жыл бұрын
MIT doesn't do engineering.. All woke ass politics.. I stopped paying for the subscription.
@grzegorzkapica7930
Жыл бұрын
@@dfinlen Last time I read it was 12 years ago ;)
@AnthonyRBlacker
Жыл бұрын
Boy oh boy with all your experience and contacts made over all the years you've been in this industry Sandy, you've really gotten yourself to the top of the cutting edge of today's technology. It's AMAZING how far some of the people you know have come with cells and chemistry, I really can't wait to see these guys get it out there and become the next default for cell production. Great work to all involved. It's hard, long hours, time consuming, but the payoff for society as a whole is incalculable. Fantastic and thanks for the little education on the dendrites and how nasty those little buggers are. I have a pack that won't charge, opened it up and the 3 18650 very high mAh but low amp batteries just will not hold a charge. I'm not opening them up, it's not that big of a deal, but I'm going to be I have dendritic loss here. Thanks again!
@VideoconferencingUSA
Жыл бұрын
THUMBS UP: thanks for having great audio.
@dennislyons3095
Жыл бұрын
This is great to get a primer on this new technology. I'm hoping it can come to the automotive market sooner than 2028. I'd love to see my Rivian have the same range as my diesel Cayenne. Thanks Munroe for putting this together to help educate the masses. Another--Well Done!
@rayklapal8343
Жыл бұрын
Very informative and interesting technology. ❤️
@fred993a
Жыл бұрын
Sandy - thank you for keeping me on the cutting edge.
@spacemonster8954
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for letting the guy talk uninterrupted!
@creatingawareness1947
Жыл бұрын
Awesome presentation. Thanks for sharing this. 👍🏼
@MunroLive
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@beyerch
Жыл бұрын
Very interesting topic, thanks!
@MunroLive
Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@budgetaudiophilelife-long5461
Жыл бұрын
👋 THANKS SANDY,TOM,TOM ,MICHAEL AND ALL THE MUNRO TEAM 🤗💚💚💚
@MunroLive
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@budgetaudiophilelife-long5461
Жыл бұрын
🤔 maybe something TESLA could use 🤷♂️💚💚💚
@billybobbob3003
Жыл бұрын
@@MunroLive huge difference between china and japan dipshits, japan wasnt our enemy after ww2...china is our current mother fucking enemy just like japan used to be pre ww2 you stupid fuck, plus tesla's charging network sucks i live in one of the most heavily populated area's of virginia and there is only one charging station in the entire city and it's @ the fucking mall lol what a joke electric vehicles are a fucking joke plus junkies cutting copper cable on charging stations and trading it in for cash for drugs you can run without catalytic converter by the way if junkie snatches that it doesnt make the vehicle inoperable unlike cutting copper cable from your power wheels charger they are heavier and wear tires faster shittier for offroad because high centered less open spots under the vehicle for rock or something to go in they wear down our roads more and we can hardly keep them maintained now muchless millions and millions of ev's the power grid cant handle millions and millions of ev's plugged in either they cant tow for shit they lose range just sitting in heat or cold unlike gasoline, charging times are dogshit they're a major fire hazzard you cant just fill them up with a can of electricity whats cheaper gas can/grabbing acouple gallons or thousand dollar portable battery pack that would take 60 hours to give it 2 % juice lol if you run out. they will be monetized pieces of shit the whole things terrible besides electric vehicles are out of date technology compared to ice vehicles, 1832 vs 1886, the design of electric vehicles trash also they are adding way too many things that are going to fail on them even somerthing as simple as charging port door or door handles its all one laughable joke besides all the stuff used to make batteries are finite resources just like gasoline and even more destructive to habitats. Besides they're a bitch to even tow the fuckers if you break down lol FUCK YOUR GODDAMN POWER WHEELS SOUND ABOUT RIGHT?
@MrRevell13
Жыл бұрын
13:34 that equipment is so jank! I love it! (I'm a business owner in a niche field, a lot of the machines I use are ones I have had to design and build myself, they look very similar lol!)
@danielecolombo8702
Жыл бұрын
Top tech discussion ,thanks Sandy
@michaelcoghlan9124
Жыл бұрын
Yes that was very good, thank you.
@grave1yard
Жыл бұрын
This was awesome! Thank you Sandy for bringing the cutting edge technology to our attention.
@billysturgeon8616
Жыл бұрын
Sandy, people thought that Tesla bought Maxwell for it's supercapasitors but the real gold was the dry cell technology. I have installed very many Maxwell ultracapacitors over the years.
@vermontsownboy6957
Жыл бұрын
I've seen several promissing presentations on Li-S architectures...all of them very exciting. Lyton is another Li-S cell start-up with an optimistic outlook. This is quite exciting...if the Li-S cell can deliver, the EV future is not only guaranteed, but will dramatically accelerate.
@gregbailey45
Жыл бұрын
Now, if someone could just debug Sodium Sulphur...
@MrNollemans
Жыл бұрын
Everyday again and again, we are always underway from a to better. Let it be better again and again.
@terrydemol5354
Жыл бұрын
They go on about the tabless design as if it was an Ultra Capacitor breakthrough but the truth is HF film capacitors have had similar construction with sprayed metal end terminations for many many years. It effectively parallels all the windings to lower inductance hence achieving better HF and and pulse current performance.
@berthogendoorn2133
Жыл бұрын
Great battery tech, totally rocks!
@MC-bm3cy
Жыл бұрын
I see some of my jets on display!!! Thanks for the discussion!
@dbwelder9159
Жыл бұрын
Waiting for Jordan of the Limiting Factor to chime in!
@scottmuench6855
Жыл бұрын
I enjoyed the no-nonsense format with conversations around the boardroom table, a lot of experience in smart people in that room
@kapytanhook
Жыл бұрын
Funny, sounded like some nonsense without real data. They didn't even bring one along to show off. Many specs not mentioned. Its early days but surely if they are testing for thousands of Cycles and have some laying around on cupboards . Then they have time to make a few to give for independent verification and demo purposes. But ueah still pretty good in general
@Nputaansuu
Жыл бұрын
Good conversation and technology review. Thank you.
@MunroLive
Жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it!
@travellingslim
Жыл бұрын
Thoroughly enjoyable presentation and discussion! Not sure what stage this is in but if there are sales pitches going on, a huge leap would be to say "did you see that Leaf/Model 3/etc. we drove in on? We swapped the battery with our own technology and all of our team has them in their cars. So far we've driven hundreds of thousands of miles on them. This phone I have in my hand? I swapped it with our battery technology. I can get 5 days worth of life from this phone before recharging and we can drive 500 miles on a single charge. Oh, and charging the phone and car are only 30 minutes each. Here's an example of different form factors of the battery. Now here's the details on how we make it cost effective, safe, and reliable"
@C_Melvyn_James
Жыл бұрын
Quite a knowledge resource, this... Thank you.
@slipkid35
Жыл бұрын
Various KZitem channels routinely spout "! battery breakthroughs"in their titles, nice to hear about one from a channel I trust
@allistairneil8968
Жыл бұрын
45 mins later and I'm convinced! Munro's low key style rocks but German Tom is inspirational!
@MichaelTavel
Жыл бұрын
This content is fantastic!
@MunroLive
Жыл бұрын
Glad you're enjoying it, Michael!
@thomasgrimm1664
Жыл бұрын
Michael: Come with me if you want to live. Sandy: I'll be back.
@velotegra7156
Жыл бұрын
Excellent, and very informative - thanks
@aleksandrsnaumovs4277
Жыл бұрын
Really looking forward to this tech making it out to mainstream! Thank you Sandy!
@GoCoyote
Жыл бұрын
The wrap up speaks to the reality that so many people who talk about "new battery discoveries" fail to understand: The time and effort that it takes to develop new battery technology is far more than just having a better chemistry. It is being able to create a better chemistry and structure that utilizes cheaper materials and operations, plus years of testing and validation at every level, and then finding out if the process can be done at scale. All while trying to keep investment flowing to recruit and retain talent in a business that may not be profitable for decades, while hoping you can get your product to market before being left behind and/or going bust. This is not work for the faint of heart.
@markgrayson7514
Жыл бұрын
Thank you. I'd love to see a comparison to existing EV battery chemistries and examples, on that chart showing LFP, Tesla, and ideas. Add Tesla's cheapest type, Nissan leaf, and some others.
@WoutMertens
Жыл бұрын
There's a slide at 9:31
@scottxiong5844
Жыл бұрын
Go Tom! Asking the tough questions!
@barongogenzoler4300
Жыл бұрын
28:00 but big cell give you another big benefit: you can balance every chemical-unit, not a module of small cylindrivals. Also you have less conectors, easier packaging, simpler assembly, easier servicing and so on.
@markshag5149
Жыл бұрын
Love this new stuff talk, keep it up. Someday a breakthru battery will be here but the road to hell is littered with "the next big thing" battery ... hope this one gets there.
@stephensaines7100
Жыл бұрын
Fascinating! I've just subscribed...
@BuellXB12SDucati1198
Жыл бұрын
My takeaway from this conversation is one major key point. These gentlemen stated that we want our product to stand on its own merits. You can explain in detail how great your product is. Many sales folks make long-winded pitches with charts and graphs geared towards convincing you to have faith in their product. In the end, the only real indication of quality and trust is the product itself. One other thing with all of these new battery technology game changers is generally they are barely worth looking at. They are vague about what the new is. How will it advance battery technology in the now? Is it real or setting in a lab results-oriented speculative? Will it take trillions of dollars and 100 years before it actually exists? We have all been misled by click bate videos bragging or promising the latest and greatest game-changing battery technology. 🔋
@mriguy3202
Жыл бұрын
this was fascinating, but as far as electric cars are concerned, there are performance specifications that matter. The discussion did mention vibration resistance and volume per kWh storage, but not weight or internal resistance of the batteries or temperature sensitivity. Without meeting those requirements also, you have a product that won't work in cars but may be useful in other applications.
@user299792
Жыл бұрын
Sounds very promising. Innovation solves problems. We‘ll see how it performs and if they can get into mass production. Time will tell.
@SimonPodolak
Жыл бұрын
God I love these discussions! So glad to hear little christmas trees even exist at atomic levels.
@MunroLive
Жыл бұрын
🎄⚛️
@HydrogenFuelTechnologies
Жыл бұрын
@@MunroLive Congrats 👏 Munro and ASSociates, welcome to the Quantum Age... Same tech works with high dense storage of hydrogen too 😉 😜 👌 👍
@wtmayhew
Жыл бұрын
Temperature sensitivity of Li - S cells has been the bane of Li - S technology prior to Zeta’s. I ran across an ECS paper from April 2022 which studied 19 AH pouch type Li - S cells which documented almost 3.3 times charge cycle capacity fade at 30 degrees C versus 10 degrees C. Zeta stated in the video that they address the gassing issue which is apparently related to elevated temperature capacity fade. Perhaps working temperature range has benefited as well? It would be interesting to hear more, as it is certainly relevant to automotive applications.
@wtmayhew
Жыл бұрын
I tried to post a link to the paper I cited, but it was auto-removed. Search for “Investigation of the Effect of Temperature on Lithium-Sulfur Cell Cycle Life Performance Using System Identification and X-Ray Tomograph”
@doubledigital_
Жыл бұрын
i love shit like this kudos to the team at zeta, and thanks to munro for the interview.
@wongman2001
Жыл бұрын
OMG! Such insights into material science. Thank You Team Sandy.
@wgroentje1
Жыл бұрын
Good video again,tx Mr.Munro regarts from the Netherlands 😊😊
@dave.cholula
Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@MunroLive
Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@RSRrobertwalker
Жыл бұрын
From a risk management perspective this sound VERY impressive! Great health, safety, property and, liable characterizations! I'd love to see the data sheets on this compared to current competitions schematics! Its VERY refreshing seeing clearly intelligent, experienced, insightful and tenured talent work with highly forward thinking philosophies and strategies in mind! The value of experience knowledge demonstrated with wisdom! The spec's sound most competitive, however, the Achilles heel of the current industry leader designs seem to be the diverse temperature tolerances and performance burdens, "especially COLD weather", environment effects on such similar energy storage engineering! Everyone complains about how "bad" electric models function in snow, freezing, ice, very cold and, the inverse areas that are very HOT, dry, micro dust hazard(dessert) extreme weather geographic areas! The combined exposures a true dred! If, this technology could address these current complaints, or a significant part of, the value of the engineering would be monumental! Just my opinion. I truly enjoyed this production! Sounds like a winner! I'll be watching...
@steffenfrost
Жыл бұрын
What about temperature performance? I assume they hinted at that topic with the euphemism of “automotive application “. That is what they plan to solve, or “fine tune”, by 2027 at the earliest. So they have cycle life, safety, energy density, and cost, but not at -/+50C
@wtmayhew
Жыл бұрын
I just saw your comment. I posted essentially the same question. Zeta said they had mitigated the gassing issue. In prior Li - S, the gassing was elevated levels of ethane and methane due to electrolyte decomposition. Elevated temperature is 30 ~deg. C, so really not that elevated. Capacity loss is related to the gassing, so maybe Zeta has also effectively improved the working temperature range. I guess we’ll see in about four years (2027).
@kirkellis4329
Жыл бұрын
@@wtmayhew Being able to charge at 10C rate without any gassing expansion sounds like temperature isn't rising much, doesn't it ? That would cover part of the temperature management issue -- cooling while fast charging. Did they mention operating temperature range for charging and discharging ? Being able to charge and discharge with ambient from -20c to +50c ? Being able to eliminate the need for temperature control on a pack would be a huge cost savings.
@wtmayhew
Жыл бұрын
@@kirkellis4329 Thank you for the reply. It seems like we’ll have to wait (or at lest I will have to wait, given my limited chemistry expertise) to see if Zeta really delivers. If/when Zeta gets their cells to market, they’ll have solved several thorny problems which have annoyed others with Li - S cells. Indeed a 10C charge rate would be applied repeatedly without serious deterioration would be quite an accomplishment.
@steffenfrost
Жыл бұрын
@@wtmayhew I didn’t know about the gassing issue. My question pertains to the car being parked, charging , driving in Arizona during the summer or Norway in the winter.
@wtmayhew
Жыл бұрын
@@steffenfrost I pretty much have the same question. Zeta made the pitch, suggesting their technology is appropriate for a cylindrical container. Going to Zeta’s web site isn’t very helpful in explaining how Zeta is addressing the known technological problems. That is understandable, given the need to keep some things proprietary. I am given a little pause because the News section of Zeta’s site is mostly about who’s been promoted to what position rather than about field deployments and trials of their technology. For now, we have to sit back and see what’s next.
@markmetevia4309
Жыл бұрын
It’s exciting to see such breakthrough technology. Best wishes and continued success, thank you
@markmetevia4309
Жыл бұрын
It’s exciting to see such breakthrough technology. Best wishes for continued success, thank you!
@clantigua1
Жыл бұрын
Gold... Thank you for this PhD
@MunroLive
Жыл бұрын
🎓
@richardwestmacott1433
Жыл бұрын
Very interesting video 😀👍
@earthwizz
Жыл бұрын
I thought Tom was about to say he started in automotive in the middle ages. Who would have thought a bunch of engineers having a geek out session would create so much interest. Thanks folks.
@hunati31
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this awesome video. I like the nanotubes and the speed they are being made. Minimal shrinking and swelling and holding the charge for extra long time with minimal loss.... OMG... Sounds too good to be true. I really hoped this was ready go for industrial scale production now. It's time to talk to Elon to speed up this pretty interesting new development. Go Zeta GO!
@DualTasticToday
Жыл бұрын
I wish heat data thermal management on their cells was addressed on charge and discharge.
@techiheed1845
Жыл бұрын
Facts, information, ground breaking stuff. Pleasure to watch. Thanks
@davefroman4700
Жыл бұрын
"If you want to make something dirt cheap? Make it out of something that is as common as dirt, and preferably locally sourced dirt." - Dr Donald Sadoway.
@joenavarro2973
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I think this is the future of battery technology. It's just not what anyone expected. It's gotta be cheap.
@davefroman4700
Жыл бұрын
@@joenavarro2973 Sodium batteries are on the way too. Again a lot cheaper and capable of being manufactured on existing lines, with excellent cold weather performance.
@joenavarro2973
Жыл бұрын
@@davefroman4700 absolutely agree 👍💯. cost is everything. Sodium ion batteries are the future, CATL start's producing them in the third quarter of this year.
@diraziz396
Жыл бұрын
Love his Eng, Methods. Good one. Thanks
@ArthurDentZaphodBeeb
Жыл бұрын
They panned LFP a bit at the end with the weight penalty issue. What wasn't discussed is LFP's ability to fully discharge/recharge for thousands of cycles. So while it is heavier, you are able to fully utilize the battery. Other batteries cannot be fully discharged without degredation (mostly negating their weight advantage). If this sulfur battery can also fully discharge/recharge and be lighter, this technology looks like it really has a chance.
@PastorwithoutaPulpit
Жыл бұрын
Extremely interesting stuff and when I heard a 10c charge rate my ears really picked up. I however heard no mention of safe discharge rates? Again extremely interesting and I'm going to be doing a deeper dive on this company and their tech. Thank you gentlemen for the presentation and I look forward to learning more...
@simonpannett8810
Жыл бұрын
So exciting to see pace of change in battery technology and what that means as a Planet using variable power technologies. This also needs to be done at huge scale so the ability of a process to do this really important!!
@davidwilkie9551
Жыл бұрын
The Limiting Decision? Interesting tactical thinking strategy.
@kewakl8891
Жыл бұрын
As in all 'breakthroughs' I will believe it when I see a production version work for a 'realistic rated' time period. As in all environmental concerns, where is the environmental cost? mining, refining, production, use or will the environmental cost be lumped onto the consumer as a 'recycling demand' like petro products.
@Laura-S196
Жыл бұрын
Fascinating discussion. I hope this technology succeeds.
@hartfischer5509
Жыл бұрын
Where on the Periodic Table is Unobtainium? Must be really rare : ) Great show : )
@SecondLifeDesigner
Жыл бұрын
When Sandy Munro is excited about a particular battery development I know it is something worth listening to and pay attention. I am sure pulling for and hoping that Zeta Energy continues to develop and become a big success. Everything they said sounded great. The only down side was a 3,000 cycle life. While not bad still doesn't compare to LFP 6,000 to 8,000 cycle life. It always gets me when people point out the weight and less energy density of LFP batteries. I might be wrong but from my rough calculations if a NMC battery weights 600 pounds to get the same amount of energy storage out of a LFP batter you just need 10% more by weight. So an LFP batter that weights 660 pounds to get the equivalent. Yeah, sure you are carrying around 60 more pounds but that is about half the weight of an adult human. Bid deal. I am most excited about the charging C rate. If they can get the cycle life to 6,000 that would be a game changer. I am hoping they reach it.
@1983mack1983
Жыл бұрын
Sulfur is a give away product in the oilsands. There's 5 actual sulphur pyramids as a waste product of 1000'x1000'
@michaelliedtke4738
Жыл бұрын
Do you have some photos of these pyramids?
@nerdwatcher4273
Жыл бұрын
1. Sandy, you’ve really done a great job of evolving into your new role as a KZitem host. 2. Any offers from Elon yet for this tech, or is it too early for that😉
@nononsenseBennett
Жыл бұрын
Sandy's a natural because e he's NATURAL and humble.
@nifty6486
Жыл бұрын
im pretty sure if tesla wanted/needed this they would just buy it, last investor round gave them a market cap of $80 million
@tleo3333
Жыл бұрын
They hope for automotive grade in 27-28. That’s 5 years and it’s a hope. I would think too early for Tesla to consider seriously. Maxwell said it’s a ready tech and it took them what, 2 years to manufacture it?
@gregbailey45
Жыл бұрын
@@tleo3333 knowing Tesla, (I don't, really...) they're watching with intense interest!
@WoutMertens
Жыл бұрын
@@tleo3333 Timestamp? On the slide at 9:31 they have pilot in 2024 and giga scale 2026. At 600Wh/kg 😳
@guytech7310
Жыл бұрын
The issue is the long period required to grow cnt by vapor despostion. as the presented stated the showed an image of ~12 cm of CNT that took about 2 weeks. This is a deal breaker in my opinion since you never be able to produce sufficient amount of CNTs to meet demand. I would look at using expanded graphite as lower cost & faster production time. It does have the same level of surface area, but its probably close enough. I didn't watch the entire video, but if this is using Lithium this is also a deal breaker since Lithium production (mining) is too low to meet current demand and prices for lithium are soaring. This would need to using a lower cost material like sodium.
@petergoodall6258
Жыл бұрын
I really like their engineering/materials goals
@thomasm964
Жыл бұрын
I have a feeling Tesla is not telling us everything they got out of buying maxwell! Super Interesting.
@williamjeffreys2980
Жыл бұрын
Yep. Current battery technology is years behind motor and motor control technology. Small, economical energy storage is what will make electric vehicles practical.
@AdityaMehendale
Жыл бұрын
Hi Sandy, An ultracapacitor (Maxwell-style) is designed to give out all its stored energy in ~15 second. in that sense, it's a "240C" device --> 240 * 15 second = 1 hour In that sense, it is like a fireworks rocket. --> Huge power. 15 second. Finished. A similarly sized 18650 stores 100x as much *energy* but is able to give it out rather slowly in comparison - Le's say like a propane torch. 15 minutes till empty. Aka "4C", but more energy than the rocket. This is why all quadcopters/drones have a "run-time" of ~15 min i.e. 4C (and not any shorter). A "regular" (electrolytic) capacitor is okay to be pulled empty in ~ 10ms ("360000C") - like a firecracker. --> 10ms. Finished. Tremendous power. (although lot less *energy* than the rocket) A ceramic capacitor may be run even faster, i.e. even more power, but the stored energy is minuscule. Ehh... I guess Tom already explained all this to you :)
@patreekotime4578
Жыл бұрын
I always just say a camera flash is powered by a capacitor and a flashlight is powered by a battery. One gives you a burst as bright as the sun for a fraction of a second, the other gives you a dim light rated in hours.
@michaelliedtke4738
Жыл бұрын
The cut away Ultracapacitor I showed in the video is capable to be charged in about 1second. So the C numbers are even higher. Larger cells will take 2s. I used to state that an Ultracapacitor does have 1800C - nice theoretical numbers, but not practical
@AdityaMehendale
Жыл бұрын
@@michaelliedtke4738 Honoured to hear from one of the original folks at Maxwell! I was at a "tradeshow" booth of Maxwell in NL around ~2007 +/- 2y - Talking to the rep there, I arrived at the 15s number from a back-of-the-envelope calc.. Apparently their information was conservative. 2s to full-discharge is amazing. I have later worked with an Australian company called CapXx (now bought out by MuRata) - are you familiar with these? They have lower C-rating than Maxwell's but also have low ESR and very low self-discharge. I look forward to your new company's energy-storage breakthroughs!
@Georgewilliamherbert
Жыл бұрын
I have a bunch of questions but … like, they’re being honest about level of testing and what remains to qualify the technology. The path to mass production seems straightforward. This is just a big win if it works out (and seems very likely at this point).
@radhakrishnanmanickavasaga124
9 ай бұрын
Keep the good work
@HolgerKuhrts
Жыл бұрын
@ 32:47 "we don`t gas" 😄 i`m glad to learn Sandy has a sophisticated method of selecting his interview partners....
@alohadave13
Жыл бұрын
This was really interesting. Thank you
@manjsher3094
Жыл бұрын
In the immortal words of Spock... Fascinating.
@BatterVswithAntonio
Жыл бұрын
best comment
@VenturiLife
Жыл бұрын
Maxwell had a big background in the military industry also with super-capacitor development. eg rail-guns.
@TriviaChallenge
Жыл бұрын
Smart group of guys.
@royh6526
Жыл бұрын
The Achilles heel of Li-S batteries has been the large voltage swing and degradation. Apparently Zeta Energy has solved the degradation problem, but the large voltage variation was not addressed. Their chart shows current design to be competitive with Nickel based Lithium batteries in terms of energy density, with a path to double in the next 5 years. But specs are missing. What is the operating voltage range? What is the efficiency? Cold weather/hot weather performance?
@WilliamRNicholsonLST-1195
Жыл бұрын
Watching Mr. Munro is a credit replacement for attending M.I.T. ...... He's top dog in any true engineering area , I bet I know what the sign on back of his office door says ! Stay around Mr. Munro , we still need you a long time .......
@ardeshirmehta9327
Жыл бұрын
Re: parking at airports, you are _all_ wrong; it's not that expensive. My son and I visited Italy a few years ago for 3 weeks, and we parked our car at the Montreal Airport for the whole 3 weeks; and it cost us less that it would have cost to take a taxi from our home in Ottawa to the airport and back. The total cost was about 3% of the cost of the entire trip. Well within affordable parameters.
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