Handy for any time you need a portable recording solution! How would you use the Zoom H8? Like and subscribe to see more 🤘
@No1liveshere
4 жыл бұрын
Is There a relase date for it?
@georgestanley9140
4 жыл бұрын
I will be using mine in my home music studio and will be using the XY mics at a reunion in a couple weeks to record myself and family playing live music. Excited to see how it performs!
@JD-qp9ox
4 жыл бұрын
Mitch is the absolute best at his job. I could watch him do an overview video of an ironing board and I know I would find it interesting
@edubs9828
4 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure that's actually a spaceship.
@nathanfender7635
4 жыл бұрын
Yes
@kagoTshabota
4 жыл бұрын
The Rosenanti
@daveycrockett9447
Жыл бұрын
Hands down best review on KZitem on the zoom H8.
@rguitar78
4 жыл бұрын
Looks like a tarantula, especially with the XLR quad expansion.
@samuelwnovak
4 жыл бұрын
That was the most articulate fingerstyle 12-string acoustic guitar playing I’ve ever heard, damn.
@percewoodbury1893
4 жыл бұрын
is it a Martin? can't quite read the headstock??
@sweetwater
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks! That’s a Martin baritone 12-string guitar. Fewer than 100 were made. It’s a beast to play with the long scale length! Mitch
@peterjones4621
Жыл бұрын
Excellent video Mitch, you sold me! I'm buying one today. Thank you for helping me make the decision!
@SaburoOkita
4 жыл бұрын
Holy cow, it looks like the spider tank from Ghost in the Shell.
@imark7777777
4 жыл бұрын
That's what it's from that I'm reminded of
@ElHeffJeff
4 жыл бұрын
Exactly what I was thinking
@makatron
4 жыл бұрын
It does look weird but looks like an incredible solution for a mobile podcast.
@indrajithak47
4 жыл бұрын
Nice outro Mr Gallagher, I have your book to thank in helping me setup my first crude home studio. Take care & rock on 🤘🏻
@RobertAfrica
4 жыл бұрын
Terrific review. Nice and clear, comprehensive
@usafirefly7967
3 жыл бұрын
Excellent! You and one other person hit the review out of the park.
@DavidYarber
4 жыл бұрын
Great review, Mitch. That's quite an impressive piece of kit.
@cephlopodic
Жыл бұрын
clear & concise...as usual my man, thank you🙃.
@georgestanley9140
4 жыл бұрын
I could care less what it looks like as long as it does the job! Mine will be here tomorrow and I can't wait!!
@zackwatson755
4 жыл бұрын
Why would you name your product HATE
@IIC4NCELEDII
4 жыл бұрын
So people like you could talk about it. Free marketing
@raitttu
4 жыл бұрын
it's angry cyberpunk spider
@bolttracks
4 жыл бұрын
It's the Zoom Facehugger!
@azstratus1
4 жыл бұрын
Always impeccable great review and insight.
@KeljaSamiNation
4 жыл бұрын
The zoom spider! 🕷
@danielberry4728
4 жыл бұрын
A Batman utility belt multitool recorder
@smaOnlineMusicClasses
4 жыл бұрын
I have used H4n like crazy.. m sure this will be a brilliant product...
@TylerHNothing
Жыл бұрын
wish I went with this instead of the H6. I just love the H6 so much and wish I had the extra inputs, they could increase the price on these with how versatile they are compared to regular audio interfaces
@SeriousGear
4 жыл бұрын
Wow now that's some serious gear!
@MichaelDaniels
Жыл бұрын
Great video thank you. I have so many questions. I will have to watch some videos i suppose
@sweetwater
Жыл бұрын
Hi Michael! We would love to answer your questions if you give us a call at (800) 222-4700 or an email at sales@sweetwater.com. Have a great day! 💙
@Murmur2k
3 жыл бұрын
Loved the podcast haha
@CharlieRiceMusic
4 жыл бұрын
This is ideal to have ready to go if my psycho ex comes over, so I have proof of her threats. ...and for field recordings. Sure.
@TheSeanBampton
4 жыл бұрын
I wish Zoom would just make a 32-bit H6.
@owenwalters3967
2 жыл бұрын
Love it! Good looking
@soundbeings1
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing! Very professional and informative! Looking to buy one for gong sessions!
@RightNowMan
2 жыл бұрын
Sweet review!
@hollowillusion4732
3 жыл бұрын
Great video Mitch!!!
@soundnomad
2 жыл бұрын
I'm going to watch a good video~ Thank you~!
@Pokemon12345-n
3 жыл бұрын
You have great knowledge.
@GregConquest
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this very clear, informative yet easy-to-understand video. At 1:13, though, you say the switch on 1,2,3,and 4 is for level or mic level, but it is actually the 20 decibel padding, not a line/mic level switch. Aren't you confusing the two? Or can this switch be altered in Settings? ... One question: Can all channels record at 24-bit/96kbps? The H6 can do 24/96 only in stereo mode. In multi-track mode, it is limited to 16/48. It is a little hard to figure this out from Zoom's promotionals, so I want to know clearly when the H8 cannot record at the 24/96 level. Is it available throughout every configuration? Thank you.
@imark7777777
4 жыл бұрын
You forgot to mention the great industrial design cough. It's certainly got a unique design. personally I don't like it I like some of the features they have on it too but I just imagine myself using it and having the "assistance" more in the way than useful. Personally I've decided on the f8N I just need the money for it and the jobs to use it.
@graxjpg
4 жыл бұрын
I don’t know if I’d benefit more from something like this, or a multitrack recording mixing board.
@user-eu3mn6ss5l
4 жыл бұрын
Depends on what you're recording, and whether 12 tracks is enough. In a studio, on a budget, I'd use something like a Tascam US 16X8 which gives you 16 tracks and is a hundred bucks cheaper... but out where you have no electricity, this thing would be absolutely KILLER.
@user-eu3mn6ss5l
4 жыл бұрын
Multitrack recording boards are great if you're capturing a live band - I really love the Tascam Model 24, but the thing is a thousand bucks.
@graxjpg
4 жыл бұрын
budgetguitarist.com yeah I can imagine I would be in the market for a Behringer. I am aiming towards having my home studio be basically modular and each section (recording, guitar, synths, playback) is able to be taken to a different location.
@jacobbrown1690
4 жыл бұрын
if i could go back in time to record rock bands this would be excellent.
@georgestanley9140
4 жыл бұрын
I have a Tascam DP24SD and i like it for multi tracking, but you can also multi track on this as well, and it is mobile and has computer software so you can fine tune the recordings on the computer. It also works with other mixing software after all the final product from the H8 is on SD card.
@micromano
4 жыл бұрын
I'm bummed Zoom didn't choose instead to update the R8. I like physical faders, virtual tracks, a drum machine, and quality preamps.
@NikCan66
4 жыл бұрын
Great review
@empiricalmatador
4 ай бұрын
I don't understand the pre-record. How does it know when someone's gonna press record to be able to start recording six seconds before that?
@Pissarrio
4 жыл бұрын
still no XLR out
@TheLordQueenYo
2 жыл бұрын
I cannot lie, the video looks legit but i always have a hard time to trust a video about Audio, when the recorded audio sounds bad 😬
@ordaineddoodle4970
4 жыл бұрын
¡Yo quiero el Zoom Hache Ocho!
@garyclement5527
2 жыл бұрын
Working with the Zoom H8- sorry the manual don’t do a good job of explaining anything. I need help understanding the file structure- I want a easy step by step understanding of how projects and files work or are recorded- It appears it’s best to name a file first before recording- but I’m missing something - created two files but both have the same file number. I’m utterly confused here.
@livestreamtt9283
4 жыл бұрын
Work since 10 years with the same zoom h2n which is a work truck. Do you think the h8 will give the same kind ‘ work truck. For yr info I take the h2 everywhere. On the sea, in the bush, in the rain, meeting....and still working, but now I need a new one, (the h2 is still working, but not enough in, and it will work as a backup)
@samsarapicture
4 жыл бұрын
Isit less noise than H5 or H6? Thats a big problem for me.
@Irshaad88
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, it is definitely. Check the KZitem review of the H8 by Curtis Judd.
@depthsofabjection
2 жыл бұрын
shotgun capsule is pretty noisy from my experience, the x-y one that comes with it is much better. but overall the device itself doesnt have a lot of noise i dont think
@23x31
4 жыл бұрын
I got chest pain watching this. Likely a heart attack if attempting to use it.
@MichaelDaniels
Жыл бұрын
If I connect a bass or guitar, do I need to worry about Hi-Z?
@Ptvafrica112
3 жыл бұрын
That s Nice
@mvekbatan6329
Жыл бұрын
Hello. Have a good time I had a question about the Zoom H8 In the music mode, when we record the sound on the memory card, the effect is recorded, but the equalization is not applied Is this part of the factory settings? Please advise. Thanks a lot
@jdanielcramer
4 жыл бұрын
Nice pickin’ 😻
@cardboardcheddah3715
Жыл бұрын
What your opinion on a fair price for one used in good condition? Thanks for the informative video. Be well.
@DFNUVS
4 жыл бұрын
When you plug this device into your computer to use as an audio interface, does that replace the need for a mixer?
@MidnightWM
3 жыл бұрын
Im pretty sure it does, idk if this device let you use effects such as chorus, echo, etc
@mikellumi1
Жыл бұрын
Hi Mitch. I can't get any firm date for the VRH-8 AMBISONICS VR MIC release. Do you have any "inside" information? Thanks
@veluk8406
Жыл бұрын
How to stop beep sound recording button
@nataliecarro7898
3 жыл бұрын
it needs for half inch cable
@michael86734
8 ай бұрын
Cool is it good for recording sound effects
@carlosg.4531
3 жыл бұрын
Hi, you can connect to a PC as an interface and receive audio via usb (for example from the application of calls like zoom and skype) and send that audio to a phone call to make a podcast between a person who is zooming, the person who is on the phone and me (at my house) and the 3 can talk....is possible?
@TheRangeControl
3 жыл бұрын
When do the X8 capsules come out? It's been "coming soon" since the "Mayflower" first crossed the ocean
@supriabudiman2425
Жыл бұрын
hey thankyou for the video its covering so much aspects, really helping btw Iam now mostly using podmic + xenyx mixer + h1n recorder as AI to be connected to phone so I can live stream the podcast i always need the mixer to do things at it is mostly I tweak the equalizer so my voice will sound better question : does the digital equalizer from the H8 can produce a high quality sound for live streaming/ live podcast? i need this portability compared to my recent setup hehehe
@jamesshahabi5187
3 жыл бұрын
Can we connect a cell phone to it to record phone call?
@dannychow2568
4 жыл бұрын
does it have time code?
@mazb2528
4 жыл бұрын
Ok, I'm coming in late - but what is that Odd Martin 12-string with the triangular sound hole? Sell me that one!
@LSsuperior
3 жыл бұрын
I've been trying to see how do you mount this??? is there anywhere online that shows the back of this device literally tried looking everywhere with no success. This one was close
@enlightenedillumination
4 жыл бұрын
Can it overdub and import to track?
@sweetwater
4 жыл бұрын
Great question! You can indeed overdub recordings and import the tracks into a DAW. Feel free to reach out with any other questions. Thanks! Jason Filloramo, Sweetwater Sales Engineer, (800) 222-4700 ext. 1281, Jason_Filloramo@sweetwater.com
@woodenfifes
3 жыл бұрын
Can I add fx to music tracks after recording and if so, how do i do this...I have tried and no success. Many Thanks Davy
@abdulmateen2850
3 жыл бұрын
Hi, do you know if you can Solo tracks on the zoom h8? As in, only listen to one track while recording. Thanks!
@sweetwater
3 жыл бұрын
Hey, Abdul! There isn't a solo button on these but there is a mute button on each track, so the work around would be to mute every other track that you don't want to hear. Let me know if I can help with anything! Connor Smith, Sweetwater Sales Engineer, (800) 222-4700 ext. 1793, connor_smith@sweetwater.com
@abdulmateen2850
3 жыл бұрын
@@sweetwater Thank you for the reply! Could you please tell me how I could mute the track mid recording? :)
@sweetwater
3 жыл бұрын
@@abdulmateen2850 Before hitting the record button, you can mute/unmute tracks by pressing the track buttons (lit green is not muted, unlit is muted). While you are actually in the middle of recording this isn't an option, but you can still go to each track and turn the volume all the way down to "mute". Both processes are on page 40 and 49 of the manual if you need to dive deeper in to that! Connor Smith, Sweetwater Sales Engineer, (800) 222-4700 ext. 1793, connor_smith@sweetwater.com
@TsvetanRadushev
3 жыл бұрын
Hello! If I use zoom H8 with one dynamic XLR that do not need phantom and one that require phantom power. Is it possible to turn on phantom power only on one input? 🤔
@sweetwater
3 жыл бұрын
Hey, Tsvetan! The phantom power is shared by all of the inputs so you can't select specific inputs to apply it to. You can run phantom power to a dynamic mic that doesn't need it without damaging the mic, though. There are some ribbon mics and special use mics that could be damaged by this, but you won't need to worry about that with your dynamic XLR mic. If you have any other questions about this, feel free to get in touch! Connor Smith, Sweetwater Sales Engineer, (800) 222-4700 ext. 1793, connor_smith@sweetwater.com
@TsvetanRadushev
3 жыл бұрын
@@sweetwater awesome. Thank you.
@Irshaad88
2 жыл бұрын
@@TsvetanRadushev You can definitely select which tracks to activate phantom power.
@molavelibid8572
3 жыл бұрын
Nice review! What was that you were playing on a Martin jangler? Which open tuning was it on? Awesome tune. Cheers 🍻
@boimesa8190
4 жыл бұрын
Does it have midi in/out?
@sweetwater
4 жыл бұрын
Great question! The H8 does not record MIDI and therefore does not have any MIDI inputs or outputs. Feel free to reach out with any other questions. Thanks! Jason Filloramo, Sweetwater Sales Engineer, (800) 222-4700 ext. 1281, Jason_Filloramo@sweetwater.com
@user-xm4gj2us6e
4 жыл бұрын
the link is unavailable . where can i buy this thing?
@adamtahirpianist
11 ай бұрын
Hi Mick, thanks for the great video. Im just about to buy the zoom H8. However i saw a video on youtube saying the H8 will only record 2 mics to an Android Phone Setup? Do you know if thats true? I want to record live piano and a few other instruments so I have a few Mics, but its all going back to the Android Phone via an OTG cable to record a music video. Im beginning to wonder if i meed to use a laptop and software ? Thanks
@sweetwater
11 ай бұрын
Hey, Adam! The Zoom H8 is not support for recording to a phone at all, that would be Android or iOS. If you’re wanting to do any type of recording, I would highly recommend either doing so via USB into a computer or recording directly to SD on the recorder itself. I hope this helps! Nick Pasquino, Sweetwater Sales Engineer, (800) 222-4700 ext. 3230, nick_pasquino@sweetwater.com
@MrSilvesterlaw
4 жыл бұрын
12 separates tracks file or just one video file.
@MichaelDaniels
Жыл бұрын
We already have a Mackie pro mixer 16. But we can't record individual tracks. Based on what you're saying here, we could run an extra cord out of that mixer into this box and it would record individual tracks. Am I hearing that properly? This way we can edit individual tracks in a DAW or other software, right?
@sweetwater
Жыл бұрын
Hey, Michael! The H8 has the ability to be a multitrack interface given that if you sent individual tracks in to it, it can track those individually over USB. If you don’t send individual tracks in to the H8, however, it has no way to separate them. If you sent a summed stereo output or mono out from the Mackie in to the H8, you would still be stuck with that summed mix. I hope this helps! Feel free to reach out if you’d like to discuss possible solutions. Connor Smith, Sweetwater Sales Engineer, (800) 222-4700 ext. 1793, connor_smith@sweetwater.com
@MichaelDaniels
Жыл бұрын
@@sweetwater Thank you for your quick answers
@SunnyBeeRandomTuber
4 жыл бұрын
*Megatron has entered the chat*
@MichaelDaniels
Жыл бұрын
Is there a way to use back tracking? So we can play alone and record?
@sweetwater
Жыл бұрын
Hi Michael, good question! Yes, using the Music app, you can record multiple different tracks while listening to already recorded tracks. This will allow you to import a backing track and record alongside it. You can then use the H8’s mixing features to export a mixed stereo file! If you have further questions on mobile recorders, feel free to give me a ring! Drake Sobehrad, Sweetwater Sales Engineer, (800) 222-4700 ext. 3271, drake_sobehrad@sweetwater.com
@MichaelDaniels
Жыл бұрын
@@sweetwater thank you for your answer. We purchased one and it is out for delivery. Now to learn all about it!! Thank you for your reply
@stefanhamilton8713
4 жыл бұрын
Can you record multitrack with the pod mics or does it only record to stereo like the H6?
@josephhebel6981
2 жыл бұрын
Why couldn't they make this compatible with Android?
@addisonballif2988
4 жыл бұрын
Does it record multitrack, or just it just record a stereo mix of the 8 inputs? Can you mix the tracks after recording, or export stems to a computer?
@scottbecker3485
4 жыл бұрын
Addison Ballif In Music Mode, for sure, you record individual tracks and mix them as you like. Maybe the same in Podcast Mode, too? Field is apparently only for stereo recording.
@makatron
4 жыл бұрын
He literally said it does in the video. 6:24
@Sketchrcat
4 жыл бұрын
A few questions: Can I use the Zoom H8 to record with a with my wireless Voice Air mic system's receiver plugged into the unit? Does the Zoom H8 come with the necessary USB cable(s) so that I could upload the recorded audio to my windows 10 PC? I also sometimes use a Rode video microphone for creating outdoors UTube videos; would I be able to plug in the Rode mic directly into this Zoom H8? I use a Sandisk Extreme Pro SDXC 256GB, 512GB UH-1 cards / shooting sometimes in 4k; so can this Zoom H8 handle high capacity cards? Finally, is this Zoom H8 available now; and whats the ballpark USA dollar amount cost for the Zoom H8? I've subscribed to your channel, now....hope you don't mind all my questions. I'm actively seeking a great recorder for the audio of my livestreams on Twitch and especially for my UTube videos. (I use a Sony FDR-X3000R video camera, to shoot with, btw). ~Sketchcat
@sweetwater
4 жыл бұрын
Hey there! Thanks so much for reaching out. I see you have lots of questions, some of which may take more discussion to fully answer. Would you mind shooting me an email at the contact info below so we can discuss? Rock on! 🎶🤘 Cassie O'Hanlon, Sweetwater Sales Engineer, (800) 222-4700 ext. 3020, cassie_ohanlon@sweetwater.com
@peoplelikeus3684
3 жыл бұрын
Hello Sweetwater, i'm considering purchasing either the Zoom H6 or H8 for voiceover, field recording, interviews and podcasts. I'd like to ask your opinion of whether the pre-amps and standard capsules are different over the H8 vs H6 and also whether the additional $ spend is worthwhile.
@sweetwater
3 жыл бұрын
Hello, People Like Us! Both units provide the pro-level sound quality that we come to expect from Zoom, no doubt. And both units utilize the same interchangeable capsules. The primary difference is the number of channels that can be recorded simultaneously. Thanks for the interest! Cody Kraus, Sweetwater Sales Engineer, (800) 222-4700 ext. 1766, cody_kraus@sweetwater.com
@19SSDD81
4 жыл бұрын
Video about audio recorder. Audio of dude talking has digital artifacts because he cleaned up the audio wrong. I’m sure it’s cool recorder but dang man. Your audio should show off not show weaknesses.
@Talia.777
4 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@doktorspanek7440
4 жыл бұрын
Does this have the same preamps as H6?
@sweetwater
4 жыл бұрын
Great question! The preamps are the same as those on the H6. Thanks! Jason Filloramo, Sweetwater Sales Engineer, (800) 222-4700 ext. 1281, Jason_Filloramo@sweetwater.com
@Irshaad88
2 жыл бұрын
Check the KZitem review by Curtis Judd. The H8 has better preamps than the H6. The H8 can power an sm7b without introducing noise. The H6 gets quite noisy.
@doylelacrua
4 жыл бұрын
I though for sure this would be over $1K. Actually, really damn affordable.
@terranborn56
4 жыл бұрын
So, is it an Autobot or a Decepticon?
@conspiracies1014
4 жыл бұрын
Can it be used as an audio interface and record on sd at the same time?
@sweetwater
4 жыл бұрын
Hello, Knight Ranger 222! Great question, but the Zoom H8 cannot do both functions at the same time. Thanks for the interest! Cody Kraus, Sweetwater Sales Engineer, (800) 222-4700 ext. 1766, cody_kraus@sweetwater.com
@theguitarsofmatthewgrasso
3 жыл бұрын
It is possible to run the H8 into the ZOOM Q8 video camera? I am looking to record 4-6 tracks simultaneously while running a stereo out into the Q8. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
@sweetwater
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for reaching out! You could definitely send the summed output from the H8 to the Q8. You would just connect the line output on the H8 to one of the 1/4" line inputs on the Q8. The only downside to this is that your mic tracks will be combined before going in to your Q8, so you won't get the same multi-tracking benefits that you get when using the H8's USB/SD features. Let me know if you have any other questions! Connor Smith, Sweetwater Sales Engineer, (800) 222-4700 ext. 1793, connor_smith@sweetwater.com
@theguitarsofmatthewgrasso
3 жыл бұрын
@@sweetwater Thank you for taking the time to answer my question. I will be picking up my H8 soon from Sweetwater. Best wishes!
@smartzpixel
3 жыл бұрын
does it work with EXH-6?
@sweetwater
3 жыл бұрын
Hey there! Thanks for reaching out, it's Mickey from Sweetwater! The Zoom H8 can accept the EXH-6, though it will not fit in any of the H8 cases with the attachment connected. Other than that, it should be smooth sailing for you! Any other questions, give us a call! Mickey Cushing, Sweetwater Sales Engineer, (800) 222-4700 ext. 3024, Mickey_Cushing@Sweetwater.com
@NickyNiclas
3 жыл бұрын
Did they release a product in 2020 without USB-C? Added to the list of shame.
@roygertel
3 жыл бұрын
How's the preamps quality for recording direct guitar ?
@sweetwater
3 жыл бұрын
Hey, Roy! Recording direct in with guitar is nice and clean, you just need to switch to Hi-Z mode. There are a ton of effects you can choose from, too, or you can use your own rig. Let me know if you have any questions! Connor Smith, Sweetwater Sales Engineer, (800) 222-4700 ext. 1793, connor_smith@sweetwater.com
@roygertel
3 жыл бұрын
@@sweetwater Thanks Connor !
@yaveeeoneandonly4870
3 жыл бұрын
How heavy is it..?? Let's see you hold in 1 hand....?? It's Suppose to be a Handy Recorder..
@thegreatsiberianitch
9 ай бұрын
Do not do this, you will fall into the Earth.
@JP11
4 жыл бұрын
Is the limiter digital or analog? Are the preamps the same the H6? How does it compare to the rodecaster pro?
@sweetwater
4 жыл бұрын
Great question! The effects on the H8 are digital, and the preamps are the same as those on the H6. We are happy to help you find the best interface and recorder for your needs, so feel free to give us a call for a more in-depth comparison on those units. Thanks! Jason Filloramo, Sweetwater Sales Engineer, (800) 222-4700 ext. 1281, Jason_Filloramo@sweetwater.com
@inglesconalan5360
4 жыл бұрын
I bought the rodecaster pro about 4 days before I discovered the H8, now I am asking the same question.
@Irshaad88
2 жыл бұрын
@@inglesconalan5360 I have the Rodecaster Pro and the H8. The H8 is definitely better in terms of preamps. Check the KZitem review of the H8 by Curtis Judd. The H8 powers the Sm7b with no issues. The Rodecaster becomes noisy at that level (55db)
@TheCOZ
4 жыл бұрын
Nobody noticed what the name sounds like? Who are the ad wizards who came up with this one!?
@inglesconalan5360
4 жыл бұрын
Perhaps it is time for a mass debate about the H8.
@1okanaganguy
4 жыл бұрын
great... except - it's no longer handy
@drothberg3
4 жыл бұрын
Are you sure that's not a transformer?
@thinjay
4 жыл бұрын
There might be aliens living inside
@sweetwater
4 жыл бұрын
👽👍
@reflections9234
3 жыл бұрын
micro USB?! Says it all.
@MobileMusic
3 жыл бұрын
Touch screen, iOS, optimized apps... But not as elegant as H6 lol
@morten1
3 жыл бұрын
It's so ugly it's almost cute. Almost. Zoom makes great affordable recorders. But I wish they would ditch that "xlr plugs in every direction" and just have them all be in the back. That would also take up LESS space when plugged all in. Who wants cable spaghetti?
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