The benefits of being George RR Martin’s villains: Having extra thick-ass plot armor
@BingeThinker1814
Күн бұрын
GRRM talked about how show littlefinger is a different character, and is obviously untrustworthy. In the books, he seems to have more plausible deniability, and moves to maintain that plausible deniability, instead of trying to shame Cersei about incest by implying awareness of the rumours directly to her face
@Huhbroski
2 күн бұрын
There's a lot of misconceptions in this video and just blatent lack of nuance in your comparisons between the characters Firstly to understand Littlefinger's way you have to understand the way politics in Westeros work. "Chaos is a ladder" is a fact any house that sits in a seat they didn't build got it from war/conflict in one word CHAOS, Lann the clever for example, Aegons conquest or how the Tyrells become liege in the Reach. When there is peace everything stays the same so does Littlefinger who wants more power so he creates chaos and through it he makes decisions that leads him to more power. Littlefinger is only human he can't predict everything he sows seeds watches it play out and he makes sure he can gain from both sides nomatter what happens, before he betrayed Ned he was viewed as a trusted friend by him (so if Ned won he'd likely be rewarded for his deeds) and lannisters also trust him and when they won they did reward him for his deeds(it's also important to note he tried to help Ned win and only when he knew forsure he'd lose he betrayed him) . GRRM states what makes littlefinger dangerous is the fact that everyone likes and trusts him in that way backfiring doesn't exist (even Renly wanted him as hand in the books). Littlefinger himself in books says pawns don't always move how you want them to. This is what makes Littlefinger realistic but still a genius character unlike villains like Aizen for example. He likely sent the letter to Cat (her second chapter in AGOT) telling her about the Lannisters which is why Catelyn burned it before Ned could read it (also the fact that the letter came from a box let's us know he had a spy that tagged along the Lannister host).This leads to Ned going to kings landing, but if Ned didn't budge on this he'd likely go anyway after Brans assassination or atleast the conflict between lannisters and Starks would begin. Catelyn says Lysa sent it and we know about her relationship with Littlefinger so even if the letter said Lysa it was most likely littlefinger Him blaming the dagger on Tyrion is a smart move as it solidifies the Stark/Lannister conflict (we know this because Ned orders Cat to ready his banners after this where she meets Tyrion on her way) while also not putting him at harm considering Tyrion is universally unliked and mistrusted by others and his own family, Littlefingers couldn't have possible predicted Tywin would give him such power. But even then we realize Tyrion isn't as smart as he thinks he is (low cunning). Tywin gives him instructions to fix things in Kingslanding remove Janos slynt (which he does but it was Tywins order) and make sure Pycelle, Littlefinger and Varys are loyal to house lannister which he fails to figue out. He removes Pycelle the only council member loyal to house lannister, he trusts Varys because of the Shay blackmail which leads to Varys weakening the Lannisters through the antlerman and he ignores Littlefinger plot against house lannister when Tywin clearly told him if he catches even a wiff of treason he should put heads on spikes instead he sends him to the reach for the "greater good" and that leads to him conspiring with the Tyrells. So yah Tyrion just isn't that smart. He also sends Mycelle to Dorne and gives them a hostage against Tywin. The maidenhood thing is understandable as Hoster Tully probably kept the truth from Jon Arryn and Littlefinger who still believes it was Cats maidenhood not Lysa tells people it was Catelyn. It's not fully explained who he told but we know for a fact Varys, Pycelle and Renly wouldn't care that much, Robert Baratheon is never at council and Jon Arryn and Stannis are too busy and serious too entertain rumors as such that happened even before Brandon Stark married Catelyn. The only time Littlefinger speaks on Lysa Jon Arryn is long dead and Tywin rules the council.
@lonemotheomatshaba9640
2 күн бұрын
7:22 an argument I can make of why he isn’t punished is because it’s public knowledge that Littlefinger impregnated Lysa
@emperorconstantinexipalaio4121
3 күн бұрын
Both were great but show version takes the cake for me. Michelle Fairley’s performance just made it all that much more impactful. Even when I rewatch the scene knowing what’s gonna happen, her screams and desperate begging always crush me.
@FilmCritiqueHub
2 күн бұрын
Michelle was my favourite actress on the show, alongside the actor who plays Cersei. Her performance in that episode was unreal.
@OcarinaSapphr-
3 күн бұрын
No spoilers- but Book-Littlefinger, up to the point of the last book- has enacted schemes & actions that have the potential, to hold the realm to ransom - by cutting out the Vale plotline, Dumbarse & Dipsh^t utterly nerfed *an incredibly important* subplot & arguably the point of the character...
@FilmCritiqueHub
2 күн бұрын
books have been out for 13 years now, I think you're in the clear on that end 😄
@GODHAND42
3 күн бұрын
I agree he benefits from a fair amount of plot armor, but not nearly as much as you claim. Littlefinger IS highly intelligent, but he doesn't create plans. He creates opportunities and seizes upon them. Rather than having a goal in mind, he sews discord and uses his resources to grab whatever he can until the next opportunity arises. When Ned attempted to take power from Cersei, Littlefinger could've sided with him if it suited his needs, but decided it was better to betray him. When he blamed Tyrion for the dagger, it was actually the best choice of creating more suspicion betweeen Stark and Lannister because Tyrion was the only Lannister that they wouldn't have been able to question. It was just blind luck that Catelyn ran into him, and the fact that she ignored Tyrion telling her about Baelish's lies is what I would consider plot armor, but it's reasonable plot armor because throughout the book Tyrion's attitude and snide remarks constantly undermine his attempts to persuade others. Littlefinger isn't the 500 IQ supercomputer mastermind, but he is a crafty and resourceful opportunist who keeps his options open and makes decisions based on his knowledge of people and his ability to capitalize on a given situation.
@MrSimonNay
4 күн бұрын
This is a great video but i feel like it has an agenda. For instance if ned tells bob and he kills lannisters then bob is grateful. Also i think saying he doesnt know ned is dubious. He knows starks, he knows their reputation. Ned stark is a piece of unbuttered toast, not much to learn if you have informants.
@finaruiz4907
4 күн бұрын
"I learnt that I'll never win. Not that way. That's their game, their rules. I'm not going to fight them - I'm going to fuck them. That's what I know, that's what I am. And only by admitting what we are can we get what we want." (-Littlefinger, season 1, episode 7) I think that quote is central to understand Peter Baelish's behaviour: it is true that he is an ambitious man, who wants "everything there is", as he himself tells Ros. However, I think that from a psychological point of view, his main goal is not ambition, but revenge and destruction. Littlefinger is therefore a refined psychopath who acts out of spite and an inferiority complex and becomes a source of chaos and anarchy, not only because "chaos is a ladder" to climb to places reserved for the privileged but for the nihilistic pleasure of chaos and destruction itself: "the climb is all there is" he sarcastically informs Varys in one of the greatest monologues of the show (Littlefinger, Season 3, episode 6).
@OcarinaSapphr-
3 күн бұрын
I have a head-canon for LF's involvement in a pivotal event in the past - I don't know that I'm right & it's probable that I'm not, but if it were to be proven true... it could make him the most terrifying non-magical, non-warrior creation in all of fantasy- for the ruthlessness that it implies...
@ddpzzp553
3 күн бұрын
@@OcarinaSapphr- what event?
@OcarinaSapphr-
2 күн бұрын
@@ddpzzp553 The aftermath of the Tourney at Harrenhal...
@mrfreeman2911
4 күн бұрын
LF is an anarchist who revels in chaos. If you see him from a man who just enjoys chaos, it makes a lot of sense. And he loves to gamble, which is part of the chaos. They should have added his boner when he succeeds to reinforce that ;)
@mrfreeman2911
4 күн бұрын
And a bit I missed and you did. He is master of coin. This makes him the most important man as he controls the money. this is why he is so valuable. It is described more in the books, but been a while since I read it.
@GardenheadTHEBAND
4 күн бұрын
As others have said, what you consider his plan failing is just another route of him gaining power. If Ned succeeded he has a powerful ally, if Ned fails he has powerful allies. Littlefinger is brilliant because he makes himself useful to everyone and plays both sides so that he wins no matter what. He's also tied up all the realms finances into a network that only works through him and makes him extremely hard to get rid of. But this is also much more believable in the books. In the show, he's much more of a mustache twirling slimy villain and it doesn't make sense why people would trust him. In the books, he's fairly inconspicuous, a bit crude, but always helpful. And then his plans stop making sense once the show got ahead of the books.
@mrfreeman2911
4 күн бұрын
yeh that is the part of the book that is missing here. LF isn't just an advisor. He is the man who knows where the money is. this makes him the most important person. He also uses this to get Tyrion into shit, as tyrion becomes coinmaster, yet can only fail. There is a bit more that the video missed.
@FilmCritiqueHub
3 күн бұрын
Him being master of coin makes him the most important person??? That really doesn't add up at all. The crown is in massive debt and is struggling while LF is master of coin, LF also does shady deals and exchanges of money that don't add up which Tyrion notices. He's not as important as you say he is. Hes from a very small house with little lands he can be killed off easily and replaced with someone else. Your telling me in the whole 7 kingdoms no one is as good as LF with finances? Like the explanation is alright. I still think it’s a big slip up on grrms part. Tyrion was awfully close to dying over the dagger.
@mrfreeman2911
3 күн бұрын
@@FilmCritiqueHub This is discussed in season 1 of the show. The crown is in debt due to the king spending it all. However when the crown needs to find money, LF does that and that is why he is valued. Yes he is a fake, but in the world, they do not know this. But Robert is blamed for the debts. And Cersei then defaults on the debt to the iron bank.
@GardenheadTHEBAND
3 күн бұрын
@@FilmCritiqueHub Did you read the books or we just talking show here? Tyrion reflects multiple times in the book that he would like to take Littlefinger out, but he can't because of how wrapped up the realms finances are with Littlefingers people: "But do I dare touch him? Tyrion wondered. Even if he is a traitor? He was not at all certain he could, least of all now, while the war raged. Given time, he could replace Littlefinger’s men with his own in key positions, but..." Surely, Littlefinger was not expecting Tyrion to be made hand of the king and that made him nervous, but he's also made himself invaluable to the war effort and continues to make himself invaluable. Tyrion could kill him, but suddenly they might struggle to get the funds they need for the war and Tyrion doesn't want to risk that. On top of that he has Joffrey & Cersei's full support for undermining Ned's treason which would create another complication for Tyrion if he went against the King's favor.
@GardenheadTHEBAND
3 күн бұрын
Littlefinger was no regular master of coin, he went out of his way to set up as much as he could so that it would only work through him & Tyrion reflects on how many key positions even outside of realm finances have been replaced by Littlefinger's people. Which is why he confidently controls the Gold Cloaks and many other aspects of Kings Landing.
@SomeWiseGuy.
4 күн бұрын
I feel like you are mistaking having a very rough plan with a lot of flexibility and the will, resources and position to improvise and adapt as needed, with having no or a poorly thought out plan. Littlefinger is not a genius for playing 4D chess and predicting your every move and is always ahead. He is a genius for stocking conflict, positioning himself well to play all sides and then improvising his way into a higher position. E.g. the lie about the dagger is a perfect example of this. He did come up with it on the spot. Which shows how clever he is but it's also not perfect as he didn't actually have time to think all the consequences through in that moment (he had like what 30 seconds to think). Same with his "plot armour". Littlefinger in the books more so than in the show does two things to armour himself. He actually puts on a very charming, helpful and importantly seemingly harmless persona. And he is extremely useful to people, always making sure they see value in keeping him around. If people don't see you as a threat, or even consider him an ally he doesn't need to worry about them disposing of him. And if even those that do see through him then also have to admit to themselves that destroying him would destroy the finances of their faction at a time of war it would be mad for them to do it so long as he is no immediate major threat. (Another reason why causing conflict is good for Littlefinger)
@OcarinaSapphr-
3 күн бұрын
I agree with you- I call his 'flexibility' *Calculating on Character* ; he understands people, & _types_ of people- so he can make bigger & broader moves when he knows people's limits on average: what they will & won't likely do, in any given scenario- based on who & what they are - he doesn't always have to be precise & refined in his schemes, because- again- certain people have a certain predictability to them, that means he knows when & how to pivot, where necessary- when to get the hell out of Dodge (or Kingslanding, as the case might be)- & enjoy the fireworks from a safe distance, & further his schemes from a more secure locale- which the Vale famously *is* - in addition to more particular schemes being put into action there...
@FilmCritiqueHub
3 күн бұрын
I completely agree that he can be clever in creating random moments of chaos, that's not what I was arguing against. In fact, I stated that LF was not playing 4D chess and predicting your every move and is always ahead in the video multiple times. The problem with making random moments of chaos like the dagger lie is that it should have backfired on him in many different ways (such as Ned finding out about it, Catelyn finding out about the lie, Tyrion and Catelyn not meeting in the EXACT right place coincidentally, Tyrion executing him after coming back to KL as the hand of the king due to LF almost getting him killed due to the lie). Sure he might have a nice persona, and he might be good with finances (even though the crown is in crazy debt and Tyrion notices that there are shady deals in the crown debts from LF). But that is not a good enough reason to keep someone alive after they almost had you thrown out of the moon door. Like the reasoning is okay but I'm not really sold. If Tyrion wanted him dead (which he did) those reasons are for sure not stopping him. I am also essentially arguing whether Littlefinger is (a) a realistic portrayal of a man of limited means trying to advance himself in an unjust social system by any means necessary or (b) basically a walking plot device. I lean more towards (b). Again this is fine. They're fantasy novels not a documentary.
@FilmCritiqueHub
3 күн бұрын
What if Ned/Catelyn finds out about the dagger lie? What about Robert/Ned/jon Arryn finding out that he's been spreading rumours about him taking the maidenheads of Lysa and Catelyn? What about Tryion finding out LF almost got him killed because of the dagger lie? LF being tied up in the crowns finance is not a good enough justification for this plot armour IMO. Im just saying his plans probably should've backfired on him in some sort of way.
@SomeWiseGuy.
2 күн бұрын
@@FilmCritiqueHub Yeah I see your point. He definitely has a lot of undue luck. (E.g. I'm sure he didn't plan for Caitlyn and Tyrion to even meet each other, he merely wanted to fan the flames of conflict between the Starks and Lannisters but the fact that they did and where they did was insanely lucky for him). And yes him bragging about the Tully daughters is honestly downright stupid and where I think he is wearing plot armour. Fully agreed! But apart from that I feel like he is covering himself enough to cover for the risks he takes. He does gamble and for the first few books his gambles keep paying off. Sure he can hedge his bets but an 80% chance of success still leaves a 20% chance of messing up. That's one of the key differences between him and Varys. LF takes risks and gambles A LOT. While Varys plays it super safe (not Doran Martel levels of safe but close). This means Varys takes forever to have is plans amount to anything but his chances of success are higher (though due to the ever changing game board his plans sometimes take so long that they simply don't work anymore, see Aegon Blackfire). LF is all about short them risks and gains. Ultimately this works, in part due to luck and arguably plot. But the cool thing is that these shenanigans will catch up with him at some point. Littlefinger has betrayed, subverted and used almost every major faction on the board by now and his machinations are more and more visible to the majority of players. His strategy is unsustainable in the long term and this will get him killed (the show had the right idea there but the execution was terrible). Long story short. Yes he is instrumental in driving the plot but never really on his own (he always acts with, through or by manipulating others). He is definitely lucky and has that one unrealistic instance of plot armour (I won't even try to defend him openly voicing such rumours). But all things considered he is an interesting character with his own motives and demonstrates the second spy master and manipulator plays style (serving as a mirror to Varys on the other end of the spectrum) and ultimately I think his arc will come to a satisfying conclusion with the net of lies becoming so big and entangled in it itself that even he can't weasel his way out anymore.
@Huhbroski
2 күн бұрын
@@FilmCritiqueHub Tyrion isn't as pragmatic as a guy like Tywin lannister, he has multiple weaknesses where he can easily be swayed eg the tysha and Varys situation. Most of the smartest characters in asoiaf understand perception and power they understand power lies in people so they understand thier opponents though roughly and make calculated gambles based on that.
@HarlemSexyBlaqkat
4 күн бұрын
I don't think bran was the only sight. She has alot of info herself she was there in kl and the vale. She was in circle with hightowers, cersi, littlefinger and tyrion, then at the vale she is with lyssa and her vassals. She doesn't need bran visions to know why her father was killed. Bran visions are not linear either so he wouldn't be able to clearly tell full out stories or scenarios or know what is important. He would need sansa and arrya to piece together.
@FilmCritiqueHub
2 күн бұрын
The show does a pretty bad job at showing how Brans visions work, and all of the info he potentially gave them happens off screen so its difficult to piece together. If she knew about LF was responsible for her fathers death why didn't she do anything about it until much later on. Why did she have to wait until the end of season 7? I think its implied heavily that Bran was the one who let her know but again its difficult to know since this all occurred off screen. Also the Hightower's??? Im guessing you are on about the Tyrell's?
@HarlemSexyBlaqkat
4 күн бұрын
Well a Stark has to be in Winterfell the books is a tangle mess. The show had to clean it up and get a Stark in winterfell and to get jon there too for battle of the bastards. My issue is littlefinger pulling this off and not getting punished for it. Also it makes littlefinger guilty of killing joffery and lyssa.
@HarlemSexyBlaqkat
4 күн бұрын
Good points😊
@stadthaus.7266
5 күн бұрын
just saw 3 vids of yours and they were all enlightening and entertaining so.. good job!
@JuanJose-rk1xk
5 күн бұрын
I love how in fiction in general they always complain about the protagonists having plot armor, but never the villain
@nont18411
Күн бұрын
People started complaining about it a lot now. Game of Thrones, Last of Us 2, Suicide Squad game and many others.
@robotube7361
5 күн бұрын
You are wrong about Robert eliminating the Lannisters and leaving the kingdom in a better place. That would have caused a civil war. Tywin was the main financier of Robert meaning that Robert couldnt have destroye House Lannister without dooming himself and the kingdom in the process. We can see subtle signs in King's Landing how many people are actually loyal to The Lannisters rather than Robert and how many dont like things that lead to war. When Pycelle and Varys advise Ned not to be hasty with his decission to arrest Tywin and how the same would have happened with Robert. People overlook and forget how much power the Lannisters held in King's Landing at this point and dont realize how many people were directly under their control in one way or another (mostly because of corruption). Even Robert remarks how he is surrounded by Lannisters because, obviously with every new loan he takes from Tywin, he has to make some favors for him includinng nepotistic hirings of staff like Lancel being his cup bearer. Who knows how many others around the City Tywin has installed. The same goes around the realm too. At this point nobody except few people including Tywin knew that Lannisters mines were going empty while everyone else believed their gold is endless. So, how many would join the Lannister's side expecting handsome rewards later if victorious in an evetual war? Many surely considering they wont get much from siding with Robert anyways except the "gratitude of the Crown for doing their duty". Lets not forget that the Tyrells will almost certainly join Tywin in whatever scenario and so will many other disgruntled houses who Robert snubbed because they were Targaryen Loyalists. It is very hard to determine what exactly would have happened if Robert ordered Cersei and Jamie Imprisoned (He cant blame Tywin or any other Lannister for anything because they had no part in the incest). Most likely they would have been released and smuggled by the many servants loyal to house Lannister and Robert would have ended penniless because this would have caused a huge rift between him and Tywin who wouldnt believe this to be true and unable to imprison any Lannister. Jamie and Cersei and the kids would probably be harbored somewhere safely while tywin denying he knows where they are. So Robert has accusation about incest against 2 members of the most powerful family in Westeros. That is no cause for war. it's his own problem to deal with. He cant accuse house Lannister for treason for the deeds of 2 of its members. Tywin would protest and deny it "cathegorically". The realm would be divided like they always are over such issues. One will suspect it was a ploy all along by House Lannister while others would rightfully point out that is idiotic and Tywin had nothing to do with it because it serves him in no way. So it really doesnt matter if Robert knows or doesnt. If he chooses to go to war, he is condemning the whole realm. Even if he is victorious against Tywin the realm after that would be weakened, penniless and ripe for Littlefinger's schemes.
@FilmCritiqueHub
3 күн бұрын
Ive thought about this a lot, and I think the only way Ned telling Robert BEFORE his hunt doesn't work out is if Robert refuses to believe him. Due to him being in denial about being a cuckold his whole life and Ned not really having any definitive proof (Robb stark looks like Edmure Tully for example). However, I completely disagree with your statement about the kingdom being doomed if they were to try attacking the Tywin Lannister. The Lannisters would have been crushed. Going straight into open rebellion would pretty much be the death of his house. Robert owes him a fortune as you mentioned, and the crown is in debt elsewhere, so it'd be a win-win scenario for him to wipe out the Lannisters and seize their gold (whatever is left of it). He would no longer owe ANY debt to the lannisters after they're wiped out as well There may be Lannister agents in KL but if it is announced Cersei's children are bastards... well, I doubt even Slynt would think it prudent to support the Lannisters. Robert has the Narrow Sea (because of Stannis), Stormlands, RLs, and the Reach as Mace would be hoping Margaery becomes Robert's Queen and Dorne. This is MUCH more useful than some gold. Remember, Jamie and Cersei are likely instantly killed. Tywin has NO marriage alliances to offer the reach. Robert can offer them Margery to become a QUEEN. Not to mention Robert Baratheon could just force the vale to fight because 1) he had the power to remove Sweetrobin as warden of the east, so clearly he can kinda officially override Lysa and 2) Jon Arryn would be proven as “murdered by the Lannisters” so the vale lords would 100% get involved. Tywin has no real allies anywhere in the seven kingdoms (the reach is the only very slim possibility). Also, Let’s not forget that while King RObert was a shit king, he still knew how to fight battles and win so I don’t see him losing, even to Tywin, with all those advantages. Plus he has Stannis leading the Royal fleet and Ned alongside him, both of which are proven battle commanders. Your point about whether they would go to war makes no sense. Robert would have executed the children and both Cersei and Jamie. Tywin would also have denied the allegations in order to protect his family's name (a fundamental character trait). The realm also would most certainly be in a more stable situation with the Lannisters gone. No servant is smuggling the Lannisters out of KL for because they're lannister loyalists, not that they would even get the chance to. They'd have been killed almost instantly.
@robotube7361
3 күн бұрын
@@FilmCritiqueHub The Lannisters would have been crushed. - This is in no way certain. Its hypothetical and arguing about it is simply nonsensical. We have no idea who would side with Robert and who wouldnt. Slynt said it himself with a dinner with Tyrion he is not interested in rumors. Tyrion literaly asked him that question. Arent you bothered about the Rumors about Cersei and Jamie. Its not a win win. Crushing his creditor means lose lose. He doesnt have money even to start the war. Wars cost money. Without Tywin he has no means to finance any wars We simply have no idea how things would turn out. So for you to claim for sure Robert would have crushed the Lannisters is ridiculous and still insisitng after this where I literally explain that you cant know that and yet you continue to argue as if you are GRRM's bestie and he told you. YOU dont know who would have sided with who. And thats the real answer. Its a hypothetical and presmutous. So no. You dont know. Dont even go there arguing about what ifs in a fantasy novel lmao
@FilmCritiqueHub
2 күн бұрын
Firstly I just want to say, by just reading your reply you seem a little heated😅. I hope that isn't the case, I appreciate different opinions and viewpoints since they create great discussion and really make me rethink my views. In no way was I suggesting that I knew what would happen like I am some God, perhaps the way I worded my comment suggested that, to which I apologise. But I was showing my own viewpoint and providing EVIDENCE to my hypothetical scenarios. Im not making random claims as to what I want to happen. You yourself did the same thing by saying the Tyrels would side with the lannisters as well as most other houses, because of the money the Lannisters have. My claims, like yours, are in no way set in stone, but is my own personal opinion on what would occur with the evidence we have available. In reality you should refute my claims with other pieces of evidence and explanations such as I did with yours; instead of moving the goalposts and saying no one knows what would happen, which is already obvious. None of us know. But we can make pretty accurate presumtions with the evidence available. The point of Slynt telling Tyrion that he doesn't bother with rumors cant be used as evidence because he's talking to Tyrion, who is hand of the king (a greater position of power and literally Cersei and Jamies sibling...), and would likely be in trouble if he were to admit he believed the rumors of Cersei and jamie. Especially since it was Cersei who gave him this power and installed him as commander of the kings guard. As well as this he can very easily get money for the wars by borrowing from the iron bank, and if victorious would be able to pay them back from sacking the westerlands. The vale, Narrow Sea, Stormlands, RLs, and the Reach( you can argue otherwise if you like and remove them) all would be supporting Robert in this war.
@JamesRoyceDawson
5 күн бұрын
It's a fairly flexible plan. He's letting all his competitors break each other. If it ended up in more stability, he loses nothing. If they kill each other, he gets more power. Some of his plays require some risk on his part, but he has enough power amassed to keep himself safe if they go wrong. You're coming at this like his plan needs to result in a specific outcome, but he doesn't care who wins out of the conflicts he starts as long as he remains in place or advances. He picks the winning side and works his way up. Yes this has the flaw that people then don't trust him, but that's his character flaw that makes him interesting.
@FilmCritiqueHub
5 күн бұрын
“Some risk” is putting it lightly, if Ned or Catelyn find out that the dagger was originally his he’s done. Tyrion figures out the dagger lie that almost got him killed and realistically would’ve gotten rid of LF one way or another. So yes he could “gain nothing or get more power” but his lies easily could’ve collapsed like a house of cards and he would be killed. His power is a complete facade, he has no banners to call upon or any real allies that would put their lives on the line to protect him. Sure he doesn’t have a specific outcome of his schemes but then it makes the reasoning for him creating chaos weak. The fact he got Harrenhall and the vale is unbelievably fortunate. My point is that LFs plans work too well to the point it’s a bit unrealistic. Petyr is a lot like the Joker in that his grand, impossibly complex schemes kind of have to work in order for the character to work.
@JamesRoyceDawson
5 күн бұрын
@@FilmCritiqueHub His power is that he's useful. He's proved himself to be a highly resourceful master of coin for decades since Roberts Rebellion so they aren't likely to throw him out if they can avoid it. Plus his story of losing the dagger to Tyrion holds up. Tyrion is more hated and distrusted than him without displaying adequate value at that point to the crown or his family so people would trust that.
@tsuritsa3105
5 күн бұрын
I despised Talisa with the passion of a thousand fiery suns. I recognize that this isn't fair - and I don't blame the actress AT ALL, she was fine. But Talisa was utterly out of place in a world that would not have tolerated her behavior (talking back to a king when she wasn't known to be noble, wtf?). She was so stock fantasy in a series that was partly meant to deconstruct those tropes. I understand WHY they made that change but I don't consider it well done and it made me crazy. When I first read the Red Wedding scene I threw the book across the room and had to take a brief break before I could go on. George R.R. Martin has a talent for prose that is just amazing.
@FilmCritiqueHub
5 күн бұрын
Yeah as a book reader I COMPLETELY agree, but I can see how that typical romance story with Talisa would work on TV, especially with the casual watchers that make up 80% of the show viewers. I was completely the same haha. I put the book down for a whole WEEK. And then the chapter after I thought Arya died as well, No other form of media has ever made me feel like this in my life.
@JoshCainWells
5 күн бұрын
You just aren’t smart enough to understand his schemes
@FilmCritiqueHub
5 күн бұрын
He has no schemes. He creates chaos and tries to improve his social standing from it. So I'm not sure what your argument is here. Perhaps offer constructive arguments instead of "you're just too dumb to understand". I'm more than happy to be proven wrong.
@sollly1028
5 күн бұрын
I think his plan is just to try and get Ned killed so he can marry Catelyn. After that he just improvises. But its his great improvisations that make him a genius, he doesn't plan it all out from the start, he just takes advantage of the chaos he creates. With regards to Tyrion leaving him unhurt in ACoK. Tyrion actually talks about how he doesn't dare have littlefinger killed because the entire economy of Kingslanding relies on littlefinger. He juggles the wealth from money lender to money lender, controls loads of businesses that produce money for the crown, has knowledge of all the specific debts, as well as important members of the treasury under his control. With regards to Ned not having him killed for lying about taking Catelyn's 'maidenhead', I don't think Ned would care about such slander, as he would know it not to be true (he took Cat's maidenhead himself) and Ned doesnt really involve himself or care about gossip and rumours. I'm pretty sure Jon Arryn would have behaved similarly aswell.
@sollly1028
5 күн бұрын
A quote from Tyrion in ACoK: "If ever truly a man had armored himself in gold, it was Petyr Baelish, not Jaime Lannister. Jaime’s famous armor was but gilded steel, but Littlefinger, ah . . ."
@FilmCritiqueHub
5 күн бұрын
1) I absolutely DO NOT think LFs plan was to get Ned killed so he can marry Catelyn. As obsessed as he was with Catelyn he was smart enough to know that ship sailed a long time ago. I do however agree that he creates chaos and takes advantage of it. My argument is that a lot of his improvisations work out for him because its what the plot needs to happen, instead of them being realistic. The argument is essentially whether Littlefinger is (a) a realistic portrayal of a man of limited means trying to advance himself in an unjust social system by any means necessary or (b) basically a walking plot device. I lean more towards (b). Again this is fine. They're fantasy novels not a documentary. 2) The reasoning is there I talked about it, but it seems very contrived and unbelievable. Remember Tyrion WAS ALMOST KILLED. And he knows LF was the one who's responsible. The entire economy of KL does NOT rely on LF that's complete bs. LF is sent away by Tywin to strike a deal with the Tyrels and the economy is fine, He is then handed Harrenhall and leaves to take claim. If he was that essential why would Tywin send him away TWICE willingly? In fact, when Tyrion is master of coin he finds out the crown is massively in debt and in disarray. Realistically LF should have been punished the same way Pycel and Janos Slynt were, this armour he supposedly wears is a complete facade 3) These aren't really "gossip and rumours", you're making it seem like it's not a big deal and can be brushed aside. LF is from a very small house, him openly creates these rumours to cast doubt on Jon Aryn's heir and the "innocence" of Catelyn and Lysa is a MAJOR insult to three huge houses. They absolutely would not just be ignored and would instantly be dealt with. There is simply no way Robert, Jon Arryn or Ned Stark do NOTHING about these insulting stains on their respective houses. LF being from a small house would make it EXTREMELY easy to dispose of him without ANY fuss or involvement in politics. Edit: Ned strangled LF because he thought LF made a joke about Catelyn being inside a brothel. What would he do about the rumour of LF taking the Maidenhead of his wife???
@jasonvazquez8652
3 күн бұрын
@@FilmCritiqueHub In the book, Ned's reaction is even more extreme. He not only choke slams Baelish against the wall, but then pulls out his dagger and puts in under the man's chin. If Ser Roderick hadn't shown up at that very moment, then we could've had a very different story.
@strongest32
2 күн бұрын
@@FilmCritiqueHub I didn't read the book but I think the same as the op. Petyr makes the first initial plan with the purpose of leaving Catelyn without a husband so he can have a new chance now that he is more established. Making all the connections between Jamie and Cersei's incest, Jon Arryn's need to know the truth, the familiarity between Jon, Ned and Robert that would make Robert go to Ned if he didn't have Jon (making him leave the safety of winterfell) and that Ned would worry about what had happened to Jon. They are all ideas that Littlefinger could have come up with from his chambers in the red keep and that in themselves make him a genius regardless of the fortune he later ends up having when he accuses Tyrion, which I don't see as a bad thing either, because his objective was to antagonize the Starks and the Lannisters as much as possible, to push for a situation where Ned ends up in danger, so blaming the only Lannister who was not present in Kings Landing so as not to be interrogated immediately is also a way to get out of the uncomfortable situation in which he found himself while He kept pouring gasoline on the fire. At the end of the day, reaching Tyrion when only maybe Varys would know where he is to interrogate him in the presence of Littlefinger to explain the real thruth was also improbable.
@thereallofigirl
5 күн бұрын
Love your videos and I very much agree with what you say about littlefinger. People complain about plot armor, but turn a blind eye at littlefinger and the amount of things he got away with 💀
@billtodd2194
11 күн бұрын
I think the other interesting question is who Sansa would have ended up married to in the books? She seemed on the kind of arc where she realizes that Tyrion was a smart and decent guy and would be a good ruler is more important than his deformities, but he also didn't seem to have interest in her and they could easily have that marriage annulled while he was in Essos with Dany, especially if she were to be betrothed to Harry the Heir. Even if the books ended without her being married, I highly doubt her story would end in the show fashion and imply she was going to be Elizabeth-esque virgin Queen of the North, she knows she needs stability and heirs.
@FilmCritiqueHub
11 күн бұрын
I actually have no idea who she will marry in the books, I agree with you that I don’t think Tyrion but who exactly is complete speculation. D&D really want to push this narrative that women don’t need men, and girl power! Which again is a complete misinterpretation of her character arc and is a character trope that has been rinsed to death by media. I actually don’t think D&D deciding her to rule the north on her own and whatever was a big deal. It’s one of the endings that didn’t leave such a sour taste in my mouth than the other characters. I actually think her character development and her journey which is the major problem not her actual ending (I can live with it somewhat 😂).
@billtodd2194
11 күн бұрын
@@FilmCritiqueHub I'll grant it wasn't the worst part of the ending, sadly by far, but like I said below, her up and leaving with the North to rule as queen is dumb and logically should have resulted in Dorne, at the absolute minimum, also breaking away. They should have just left her as ruler of Winterfell and not Queen in the North. Besides, it's not any king, it's her own brother.
@billtodd2194
11 күн бұрын
You're the first person I've found who guessed a similar trajectory for Sansa as me based on the books. I thought she'd learn the game from Littlefinger in the Vale, get married off to Harry the Heir, Harry would of course die, Littlefinger would use the fact he's currently Lord Protector of half the kingdom to make some sort of play for the throne (or get Sansa the throne with him as power behind), and Sansa would use what she learned to turn on Littlefinger and take the power herself. That'd leave her in a strong position until Dany came over. She was one of my potential candidates for ending on the throne (I was 100% sure Dany wasn't), but would have also seen a return to rule just Winterfell or the Vale as possible. I also agree that Arya returning to being a Stark is more fitting, Nymeria is still around for a reason. Maybe not as a ruler of Winterfell as she's never had interest in that, but a return to more Stark ways rather than being little ninja assassin like in the show.
@FilmCritiqueHub
11 күн бұрын
Yes! I’m glad you agree. I find it interesting you think there’s a possibility that she would get the throne. D&D did confirm that GRRM told them that Bran was going to sit on the iron throne by the end of the series so that kinda rules out that possibility. I’m not quite sure about what Arya could really do than in winterfell than rule. I agree with your take that Arya doesn’t have any real interest to rule, but after the battle with the white walkers and much of the north being devastated by it, her ability to relate with the common people will make her a GREAT candidate to rule the north. You’re right about her being a little ninja assassin in the show being stupid. D&D completely misjudged what her characters about.
@billtodd2194
11 күн бұрын
@@FilmCritiqueHub Sure, post show I don't think Sansa would end up on the throne if the books ever get finished. But preshow I thought she had a non0 chance. Preshow my strong assumption was that Dany and/or Jon would die vs the white walkers, which would leave the throne empty for I assumed a Stark. Jon would have been my first guess for king if he lived, but Sansa was my #2 Stark (Sansa wouldn't necessarily be crowned, but married to a nonJon king was another possible route). Martin wasn't going to break all story conventions and we are following the family. I didn't consider book Brann for the throne because of his age and it not being set up at all, but hypothetically with 2 books and some time passing it could be reasonable.
@billtodd2194
11 күн бұрын
To go into a bit more detail, Martin said something about the ending being bittersweet, but he's also not crazy and all about unexpected subversion. Among the prophecy bits about The Prince Who Was Promised there were the story bits about how the last time Lightbringer was forged in his love's blood or something like that. Dany's plotline did not give me the implication she was destined to rule at the end. She meant well, but every attempt she made ended poorly. To me, that hinted she would not last to end on the throne. Combining those, my guess was that Dany was going to die, either to boost Jon or being boosted by Jon in the final battle to beat the white walkers. Jon...I dunno, his death didn't seem a given, but I also just didn't see him as the obvious throne candidate either. Going the route of the Maester Aemon and giving it up to serve the Night's Watch would work. Edit: post show and knowing Dany goes mad (...do we know that for sure?...) tbh I'm less sure what would have happened in the books to both allow her to live and then go mad. I 100% did not ever see Cersei being the last villain. The books leave off with her being incompetent, paranoid, and Jaime declining to go back to help her, so I assumed her story as ruler was basically over. I mean, the books opened with the walkers, so structurally the final villains should be the walkers after the political fight is over.....Oh, oh, what if Dany goes mad, Jon kills her and that's the love sacrifice used to power up vs the walkers?
@FilmCritiqueHub
10 күн бұрын
I have so many ideas of how the books will end but I want to save them for a video I make in the future. What I will say though is that before season 8 was released GRRM stated that the show and books ending will remain vaguely in line. HOWEVER, after season 8 was released GRRM was very sure of the fact that the show ending and his ending will be NOTHING alike. I’m really thinking that apart from Sansa and Arya, GRRM had thought D&D had just streamlined the story to get to his ending. (Remember he told them how each character would end in the books at around D&D making season 3/4), Danny being killed by Jon, Cersei and Jamie dying to some rubble, Arya going west of Westeros and killing the knight king, etc. is all made up by D&D. I’m almost certain Danny WILL NOT go mad like in the show. And you are also correct that Cersei will not be the final villain. She will almost certainly be overwhelmed by Euron (who will have a dragon) and FAegon, who will likely die earlier than people expect. She will flee to casterly Rock instead and rule there. So similarly to the show, Danny and everyone up north will come down after defeating the WW and finish her off. Danny being sacrificed by Jon is something I’m not too sure about. I’m not too sure how the battle with the WW will go, and what role Bran will play. But I’m a lot more certain about everything else such as what happens in KL(kings landing) and everywhere else in Westeros.
@heather0928
11 күн бұрын
Lol buy a 9 volt ,sir.
@FilmCritiqueHub
11 күн бұрын
You’re not the first person to mention this 😭
@JordanRiddell
12 күн бұрын
High quality video mate. Defo make more 👍🏼 I've just finished GOT and this scene fked me up big time lol
@FilmCritiqueHub
11 күн бұрын
Glad you enjoyed the video. You now have got almost 2 seasons of HOTD to watch now!
@kit888
17 күн бұрын
My impression in the book was that Sansa was learning to be a good queen, not as a ruler but as a supporter of a king. She was learning to get along with people, run a household, lead other women (as in the siege situation) but apolitically.
@FilmCritiqueHub
17 күн бұрын
Interesting take, I didn’t really consider that. I think in the books she will become a more single ruler as she’ll likely be key in using the vales resources to help either retake WF for herself or help defeat the WW. But after she does that, I agree with your take that she will likely become a good supporter of a king. I think it’s unlikely she’ll be a single ruler for the north (lady of WF) and it’s impossible that she will be queen in the north. That’s almost certainly something D&D made up.
@billtodd2194
11 күн бұрын
@@FilmCritiqueHub 100% agree, Queen in the North made no sense. They go through all of that to have a unified peace and Sansa just ups and nopes out and everyone else is okay with Bran being king over them? Nuh uh, if Sansa dropped, every family would and it'd start the wars all over again.
@worldadventuretravel
17 күн бұрын
It's weird timing putting this out years after GOT wrapped. But I watched it all the way through, as I never thought much about Sansa's character at the time other than the lingering confusion over why she vouched for Littlefinger when she was at the Vale. D & D ruined GOT for me permanently. I'll never re-watch the show, and I doubt I'll ever read the books knowing there are some things in there like your description of Jane Pool that I don't even want filling my head. Besides, GRRM is never going to finish the book series so why invest thousands of hours into reading them anyway when we will never get an ending? Such an epic moment in TV, all shot to hell by horrible show creators that fell victim to their own hubris. I like watching these fan videos occasionally though for the nostalgic value of when the show was actually good. Martin really did create an amazing world of stories and characters. It's too bad it was so horribly represented in the end and the author can't stop going off on side-projects so we'll never see how the whole thing concludes.
@FilmCritiqueHub
17 күн бұрын
I can’t recommend you read the books, but I will tell you that after the first book it diverges so much. Almost every character is fundamentally different. Each character is definitely more grey and the story is so much more complex. It’s a great read but incredibly frustrating when you realise there’s no more books and you’re not even close to getting an ending 😭 What I will say is that D&D where in a very bad situation after season 4 finished. They had to make important cuts and had no idea how GRRM is going to get to the endings he told them. They wanted to adapt the books but GRRM has grown a story too complex and too spread out. I honestly don’t know how anyone can fit the content needed for a satisfying ending in 2 more books. It’s practically impossible. I’ve heard rumours that GRRM actually finished the next book in 2017 but it was so bad he scrapped it and restarted. Idk if that’s true though🤷♂️.
@arash8761
7 күн бұрын
How can you spend "thousands of hours"? The whole series is 4,000 pages so far. Even at only 1,000 hours, that's 15 minutes per page.
@tsuritsa3105
22 күн бұрын
You are the FIRST commenter on KZitem I have seen who pointed out that Sansa was taking Jeyne Poole's place from the books, and that DnD - who I don't love, aren't great and made major mistakes - were in a bind where Sansa was concerned for plot, time and budget reasons. Thank you.
@FilmCritiqueHub
22 күн бұрын
Yep, you summed it up perfectly. I don’t like defending DnD but you HAVE to look at some of their constraints to give a balanced argument. Thank you for your comment!🙏
@user-ym3co7hg5c
22 күн бұрын
It was ridiculous that Little Finger would turn Sansa over to the Boltons. She was much to important to him. I almost through book at the T.V.
@FilmCritiqueHub
22 күн бұрын
Yeah especially since I read the book before this happened. Not only does it make no sense for LF as a character but also narratively. It was really frustrating because towards the end of season 4 it looked like they were going to set up the jeyne Poole plot and build up Sansa’s arc in the vale, but they must’ve changed their minds.
@billtodd2194
11 күн бұрын
Yep, he had too much an attraction to her to hand her over to a known sadist to abuse.
@01379
5 күн бұрын
Lol paper beats "rock."📖>📺
@OmgItsTania
22 күн бұрын
Great vid! New sub, looking forward to seeing more content.
@OmgItsTania
22 күн бұрын
Great video. I agree with you in finding the show version better. But i watched the show first so for me its difficult to compare because it was a total surprise to me, rather than when i read the books and knew what was gonna happen. Great breakdown in the video 🙏🏽
@FilmCritiqueHub
22 күн бұрын
I also watched the show first so I get where you’re coming from. In the books it’s a slow buildup which I appreciated more. But the show did great because I remember still being in shock for 20 mins after the episode ended 😂😂😂
@OmgItsTania
22 күн бұрын
@@FilmCritiqueHub omg the trauma was REAL bro
@katierasburn9571
23 күн бұрын
honestly? i liked where sansa ended in the show, it felt poetic honestly that the one stark so eager to leave and not be a stark anymore was the one that remembered most what is was to be a stark and to fight for the north. The character who started with no power ending up being the one with it. I think if they'd had more time (and been better writers) they could have really developed this, had her work it out herself, scheme in her "i'm so innocent i don't know what you could possibly be doing" kind of way and gain her throne as queen of the north, finishing what her family started. I personally don't believe she would reject being a Stark
@FilmCritiqueHub
23 күн бұрын
I 100% agree with you completely. I don’t mind her being queen in the north, my main problem was how she achieved it. In a perfect world they would have fleshed out her character in the Eyrie before bringing her north(if that’s where her story does end), but instead they decided to send her north to become a victim again. Her outsmarting LF was fine, but the way she did it was again disappointing. Her reclaiming her stork identity is something I thought would happen, however I feel like it is in fact Arya who will lead the north. I might explain it in depth in another video but essentially Arya is the one who’s whole story arc is her reclaiming her identity. She changes identity multiple times; she doesn’t know who she is. While also being one of GRRM central 5 characters, she also is the only one who can relate to the common folk, something Sansa doesn’t really deal with. I think it’ll be Arya who will reclaim her stark identity. Saying all that, Arya sailing west and Sansa being queen in the north is something I really liked in the show, so no problems there.
@daddypoochie
23 күн бұрын
video is mad good
@FilmCritiqueHub
23 күн бұрын
Appreciate it 🙏
@traviscue2099
25 күн бұрын
Agreed, this is more GRRM's fault. Like seasons 1-4 clearly show that D&D have high talent, they're just not good writers.. But amazing adaptors. The problems come from cutting out minor stuff at the start (that grow into bigger plots) and these actors becoming big names. Cutting out Bran for an entire season is what they should of done with Sansa and Jamie (Give us a sneak peak of him in the riverlands). If they had kept mance alive and had Jayne Pool in the background I think it would of worked.. But yeah its far more complicated than just "Dnd bad".
@FilmCritiqueHub
25 күн бұрын
I would’ve loved to see your version of play out, the only problem is Sansa and Jamie were beginning to become big names at that point. I don’t know if they would be capable of removing them for a season. Some casual fans also wouldn’t approve of it since they’re both fan favourites. It’s my personal opinion that AFFC and ADWD is extremely difficult to adapt on screen. Trying to adapt the show after S4 with the material given must’ve been a nightmare and clearly D&D are out of their depth here.
@traviscue2099
25 күн бұрын
@@FilmCritiqueHub Oh I'd agree with that completely. After season 4 new contracts were being written up as well, and these unknown actors were now big names who the fans would of demanded to see. Oh the amount of characters added after the show had begin explains exactly why they left so many out.. Since at the time they didn't see them as big players. I think in the future we're going to see a fully animated version of this series (If the books ever come out) before we get another live action version.. I get the feeling the universe is going to grow a lot via HBO over the next few years.
@snowpoler
9 күн бұрын
At the same time... they could have chosen to adapt a completely finished book series.
@traviscue2099
9 күн бұрын
@@snowpoler Oh for sure.. But it seems like the idea was that GRRM would finish them. Or at least have the next book out before they got that far.. Season 5 ended in 2015. 4-5 years to finish winds is a lot of time.
@V1rtuaMa3s
25 күн бұрын
Great commentary! It's nice to hear something other than hyperbolic hatred for D&D. I'd love to watch more of these light comparison videos
@mresponsible
26 күн бұрын
Great vid!
@FilmCritiqueHub
26 күн бұрын
Thank you 🙏
@nanakmccann
26 күн бұрын
The fact that the show ended four years ago and there still is not another book, makes it hard for me to blame the show runners. They were hired to adapt book into TV. It’s Martin’s story. It’s his fault he can’t finish it.
@FilmCritiqueHub
26 күн бұрын
Yep, GRRM needs to take a large portion of the blame. But the show runners didn’t do any favours with some of the decisions they made.
@nanakmccann
25 күн бұрын
@@FilmCritiqueHub definitely agree. From what I read it sounds like they wanted to be done with the show and rushed through the last two seasons. Pretty sad, early seasons were so great.
@DildoDaggins69
Ай бұрын
The thumbnail is really, really accurate; because, while Catelyn is a human female in the show, in the books she actually is a massive wolf with glowing blue eyes. Most content creators overlook this. Excellent work, FilmCritiqueHub!
@btdarmstad5815
Ай бұрын
Please feed your ceiling bird 🥲
@FilmCritiqueHub
26 күн бұрын
she's been a bad bird, I don't think ill be feeding her anytime soon.
@boldandbrash8431
Ай бұрын
Bro you gotta exercise better fire safety
@happybee7725
2 ай бұрын
In the books it’s insinuated that Lord Tywin arranged the whole Westerling thing with Jeyne Westerlings mother.
@FilmCritiqueHub
26 күн бұрын
correct, good spot.
@happybee7725
26 күн бұрын
@@FilmCritiqueHub I had someone completely disagree with that opinion about a week ago. According to him Robb and Jeyne just happened naturally which makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. The Westerlings are said to be an old and proud family. A proud family doesn’t allow their virgin daughter to be ploughed by the just visiting leader of their leige lords enemy without some kind of assurances from their liege lord. There are several other reasons it doesn’t make sense but I can’t really be assed typing it all out again.
@FilmCritiqueHub
26 күн бұрын
Yeah it definitely makes more sense that they had assurances from Tywin. I remember reading about it elsewhere as well. I do think however while Jeynes mother most likely pushed her to “seduce” Robb, she did actually fall in love with him. IIRC, GRRM did say Jeyne was going to be a central part of TWOW prologue, so it might get confirmed there. I’m very interested to see what role she has to play. I’m almost certain she’s not pregnant, but whatever happens to her it’ll most certainly tie in with the blackfish.
@happybee7725
26 күн бұрын
@@FilmCritiqueHub Yes I agree that she did love Robb. I assumed jeyne wasn’t in on it. Just that her parents let it happen or which is not something a noble parent would usually let happen in that situation. If their daughter sleeps with a guest it’s coz they let it happen. Maybe even encouraged Jeyne without Jeyne realising it. She is just a naive young girl after all. I dare say we will find out.
@happybee7725
2 ай бұрын
When Robb died he went to Northerner hell for taking his rage and grief out on that tree with his sword.
@FilmCritiqueHub
26 күн бұрын
😂😂😂
@masteroftheassassins
2 ай бұрын
I didn't read the books and I didn't watch the show when it aired, but everyone kept talking about this particular event that there was no escaping it. Even so, I was truly caught off guard of just how brutal it was when I finally watched it. Just goes to show you that even hearing about it doesn't do it justice and it's something you need to see for yourself to truly grasp the horror of it.
@happybee7725
2 ай бұрын
@masteroftheassassins I’m a book guy. I do enjoy the show but I think the books are MUCH better. However I agree with you on the point that the red wedding is better seen than read. I have thought that myself for a long time. When read it’s not as much of a surprise as It is when watched so I think you’ve hit the nail right on the head there buddy.
@FilmCritiqueHub
26 күн бұрын
The show is usually limited on what they can show, however watching big moments like this is always more emotional than reading it in a book.
@jorgemolina8011
2 ай бұрын
The biggest turn of the whole show was Lizzy being Tommy wife when, in the first episode, they get on John for wanting Lizzy to be his children mother.
@GoetzimRegen
2 ай бұрын
The first chapter begins with dead direwolf mother who was killed through an antler or that Caitlyn Strong will dye in a fight for the crone of Robert.
@jackwalsh6758
2 ай бұрын
Hodor's p.o.v chapter 😂
@steve_en5903
5 ай бұрын
Replace that battery bro
@Kaboomboo
2 ай бұрын
Fr fr
@chocolateanimegirl9910
2 ай бұрын
@@Kaboomboo on god
@ZestyPhresh
7 ай бұрын
Hope to see you continue trying with this channel! You've got a lot of potential and seem passionate!
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