"Errand of Mercy" a very sobering episode indeed. All today's goverments should be made to look at this episode - would they take heed of it's message?
@shreddersaurusrex323
28 күн бұрын
Meanwhile section 31 developed a virus to destroy the changelings…sometimes Star Trek gets too green/boy scoutish…
@nicholasemjohnson47
2 ай бұрын
Do you know how Smallpox was eradicated? When Dr. Edward Jenner discovered that milking maids who had contracted Cowpox were immune to Smallpox, he tested this by deliberately infecting an 8-year-old boy with Cowpox. After the boy got better, Jenner exposed him to Smallpox, and he was fine. This not only led to the eradication of Smallpox, but also the development of vaccines. Now, look, I'm not saying what Crell Moset did was right. He probably could've tried a better way to eradicate the disease on Bajor, and it's true that by reusing Crell Moset's data, it would possibly validate the experiments and encourage more people to do them again, but ask yourself this: If such unscrupulous people would reference such data in their research, do you really think they wouldn't find any reason to do the experiments anyway? If anything, deleting Crell Moset's research might actually motivate others to repeat his experiments to regain the lost data. But I do admit that preserving such data would undoubtedly set a bad example and make the good guys look like accessories to barbarism. Relying on the actions of terrible people's deeds essentially makes us no better than the bad guys.
@billmarsh1971
2 ай бұрын
Kim and the doctor should've simply changed the name and holographic appearance parameters when Harry identified moset as a war criminal before commencing treatment on b'elana. This episode really annoyed me
@stratfordbaby
2 ай бұрын
2:40 They didn't travel 10k light years on one dead alien. So they killed more obviously. That's a hole in the dialogue. So when they killed the first one they immediately thought it was a good idea to kill more.
@gabrielsierra6890
3 ай бұрын
If something was wrong about the obtention of a certain knowledge, it is up to the perpetrator to face the consequences, but the knowledge shall live on as it can help save lives. In the case of this episode, the hologram was not the perpetrator, but they decided to eliminate him and most importantly, the knowledge. They technically shot themselves in the foot. Take the advanced Cuban medicine, which have very effective medical treatments and surgeries that countries like the U.S. don't; All this knowledge came from experimentation with people, but make no mistake, people knew what they were getting into, as the experimental treatment was unproven, and they could die on the board and they accepted the choice because it was this or dealing with the condition/die. This was explained to me by a Cuban when I was praising what I have heard about the advanced medical treatments they offer, and he enlightened me on how they got to that point.
@EvanG529
3 ай бұрын
Using ill-begotten knowledge to help someone does not validate the means of attaining that knowledge. It is wasteful to not use such knowledge, and surely those who died would want something good to come of it.
@danejohnson8430
3 ай бұрын
Placed blames. Hypocritical thoughts. None is innocent. Just like war… the victor convinced others of their own history. In good Conscience, of course.
@deathstrike
4 ай бұрын
Sometimes it's extremely difficult to reach a person, or even a group by telling them that research gained by horrible experiments (aircraft pressurization was gained by research done by the National Socialists, as was space flight gained from Operation Paperclip). And it might be sometimes too easy to remember those who perished paid the price for that research to be utilized. But at what point do we realize that if that research can be used to save millions, perhaps more, do the needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few? Or the one? We can easily say to ourselves, their sacrifice insured that our race continues to advance and improve. But in using what we have learned, can we simply appreciate what was sacrificed? Maybe it's best to remember those who perished, but appreciating their sacrifice was not in vain matters most. That from their loss, perhaps millions were saved thanks to them. If we had stopped using research gained unethically, nothing would have advanced and we would still be dying from easily preventable diseases, we would still be grounded never to reach the skies, and the loss would have been incalculable. I'm not saying it's fair. But sometimes we have to see the greater good from the horror and insure that such a genocide can never happen again.
@thedawkturr4481
4 ай бұрын
Remember in Mass Effect 2 during Mordin's loyalty mission, when you were faced to deleting Maelon's research data on the cure for the genophage even though it was conducted through unethical means? This is the exact same issue. Much to their own credits, the circumstances are different, but the problem remains: Do you use potentially beneficial research that was gained through unethical means? And if you do not, have the people who died for it, died for nothing?
@unanon_user
4 ай бұрын
I think at times, people would rather know that research derived from suffering of others wasn't used on them
@crustyescaped
5 ай бұрын
(I don't remember the whole episode. Just commenting on the scene presented...) 1. The damage is already done. Mocet's victims have been tortured and killed. If something good came out of that atrocity, why not put it to use? Otherwise, his victims suffered for nothing. 2. I can understand the Doctor not wanting to condone Mocet's behavior or potentially encourage others to follow his example. And I might be more willing to take his side in this argument if they were in a room full of medical students looking up to these guys as role models. But it's two doctors, alone, in a room, with a dying patient. Use the knowledge. Save the life. 3. Animals and humans have more in common than humans and holograms. The Doctor's defense of how his own database was created is dubious.
@postalpoet9015
6 ай бұрын
Wow, a Cardassian version of Josef Mengele. Interesting.
@matvangogh
6 ай бұрын
Go look up Unit 731 to see the medical experiments/ tortures and deaths on HUMANS..
@askjeevescosby2928
7 ай бұрын
Actually alot of medical knowlege came from human testing. Tons came from nazi germany.
@rhettorical
7 ай бұрын
This episode is one of those uncomfortable mirrors on our own reality. The ethical dilemma isn't in question, and it's been solved: You use the research and discoveries no matter where they came from. That's not the issue. The issue is that we, in reality, have done the same thing. Mosett was inspired by Nazi scientists who experienced on humans in the concentration camps. The acts were heinous, but discoveries were made, and the results furthered medical science in some ways. That wasn't thrown out. It's uncomfortable, and it happened. That's what this was meant to show: Reality is dark, and we must live with that. We must never forget the past, and always learn from it. We must strive to better ourselves constantly. The right answer is also the wrong answer.
@NoahSpurrier
8 ай бұрын
This has to be a reference to Japan, Unit 731, post World War 2. This research data was not deleted.
@ViewTube_Emperor_of_Mankind
8 ай бұрын
The german title for this episode was "Inhumane Praktiken". Pretty spot on.
@safiremorningstar
8 ай бұрын
First of all the Kardashian hologram is right about Earth medical history some of which was obtained during the Holocaust and it's not two dissimilar to what he was doing on Bayjor voice to text is not spelling things out the way with lake please understand I do not have hands within which to write the point is the doctor is unaware much like most people is unaware of that part of History so why should anyone be surprised the federation would turn a blind eye to this doctor's behaviour and work and have it in their database, in fact when one considers how the Kardashians behaved when occupying Bayjor and just how I like it was to 20th century Nazi behaviour one shouldn't be surprised that they turned a blind eye to everything.
@kevinborgan8544
8 ай бұрын
Extremely good episode! Both the Doctor and Krell make valid arguments. I come down to the Doctor’s side. The knowledge gained by Krell’s “experiments” came at too high a cost. Bel’Anna was saved, but would she feel comfortable with how her life was saved? The viewer has to wrestle with their own conscience on these questions.
@SlimThrull
8 ай бұрын
Janeway murders Tuvix: "Ohmygawd! I can't believe she would murder someone!" The Doctor murders Krell: "Yeah, he had it coming."
@blu5543
8 ай бұрын
To me this debate is like pulling up a wikipidea page about *insert controversial event here* and then deciding to smash you phone because it was showing you the information you asked for. The hologram is no more responsible for the event than your nearest lightbulb and chastising a some computer software for looking like and acting like the person you programed it to be is beond pointless.
@khankrum1
8 ай бұрын
Medicine still reap the results of the human medical experiments from Nazi and Japanese Concentration camps!
@bobpage6597
9 ай бұрын
If I had been a victim of such barbarism at the hands of a vicious doctor - I could live with the fact that at least SOME good may have come from my death. I would rather that, than nothing at all!
@jonathanfarley2023
9 ай бұрын
The Doctor wanted to be treated as sentient but murdered an innocent hologram.
@robjackson5245
10 ай бұрын
Good or bad, the points by Crell are excellent points. This is what you call episodes that ask the HARD QUESTIONS!
@robjackson5245
10 ай бұрын
A great debating type of episode. Perfect. And proof as to why UPN stomped The WB in the ratings 11 years straight. UPN/Warner Bros./WB flagship just like "Seinfeld" and "GoodFellas" stomping "Friends" and "Mad About You" globally and worldwide, and Illumeably stomping Dhar Mann in the ratings.
@markco61
10 ай бұрын
That message is still being directed to the elite rulers of planet earth today by the Organians, timeless episode. "To wage war, to kill millions of innocent people, to destroy life on a planetary scale....is that what you're defending ???"
@jackgibsxxx0750
10 ай бұрын
Well I don't condone how the research was done but it seems to me that by not using the knowledge then all those people died for no reason. At least if you can save lives using the knowledge then it gives their "passing" meaning. __I say "passing" because of KZitem's dumb rules about the other word that starts with D and is the name of a hot valley in California__
@amirardalan1903
10 ай бұрын
"Half the medical knowledge acquired on earth came through experiments on lower animals" "But not people!" Unit 731: "Allow me to introduce myself"
@Aethgeir
10 ай бұрын
B'Elanna specifically refused that treatment. Janeway and the Doctor overrode her bodily autonomy when they decided to treat her anyway. As far as I'm concerned THAT is what makes them no different from the Cardassian doctor. He didn't care about his patient's rights or wishes either. The whole discussion about "unethical data" is moot after that. That's why this episode fails for me: it addresses entirely the wrong ethical dilemma. The episode might have worked if B'Elanna was begging for the treatment. But that's Star Trek Voyager's writing for you!
@robjackson5245
10 ай бұрын
Even during the beginning of "DS9," "TNG" still stuck to their version of the Cardassians. In "Preemptive Strike," their issue was terrorism, but they clearly attacked Federation (Maqui) members without fear of the proximity of the Federation, and threatened all-out with war the Federation, just 4 episodes before in "Journey's End," and in "Lower Decks." And in both they were portrayed as a power that the Federation didn't want a war with. I preferred that portrayal. And they were openly assholes. They're based on the Spanish, and it's truer to history. No Nazism, cause it wasn't Nordicist and Spain is Allied. Glad to see "Voyager" went with the "TNG" version of the Cardassians.
@robjackson5245
10 ай бұрын
This was a return to the Cardassians from "TNG," although without the openly arrogant qualities (although here they, while not denying their crimes [well he actually does], they're trying to make a morally equivilent argument [the Cardassians were open asshole originally not deniers]), in that they are shown as more advanced than the major 3. "DS9" was sort of fucking around with how they were in "TNG." "Chain of Command" almost was bad too, but even they didn't show the Cardassians as needing replicators. Here they have a ship and artificial intelligence. Spain was poor during the time of Reconquista and they were still a power. But "DS9" said they didn't have replicators and treated them as a world needing of aid. It wasn't intentional, but it's somewhat to blame for some of these morons who think they're less advanced.
@girl1213
11 ай бұрын
"Are we really so different?" Yes. Because one made a choice while the other made a different choice. No matter how simular we may be, it's ultimately choices that determine who we are. The Doctor chose to believe that ultimately Krell's research wasn't worth it, even if it could save lives because he thought about all the lives Krell took in order to get that knowledge. After all we've heard this before: "The needs of the many outweighs the needs of the few or the one" but as our good friend Kirk showed sometimes "The needs of the one outweighs the needs of the many." Krell choose the many, the Doctor is choosing the few/one. He'll find his own way to save lives without using memory the lives of all those Krell killed.
@fucker5652
Жыл бұрын
what fucking stupid episode
@OrlandoSeda
Жыл бұрын
Actually human beings were experimented on all throughout history, not sure why those facts were ignored. I'm sure Gene Roddenbery would have not agreed to this dialogue as it was written.
@crellmo
Жыл бұрын
Very underrated episode!
@elinoreberkley8221
Жыл бұрын
This reminds me to put the toilet seat down.
@elinoreberkley8221
Жыл бұрын
he did nothing wrong. the long range thinghy was not working 😂
@thomasaitken1345
Жыл бұрын
The crewman was out of line. The medical consultant hologram did not commit any crimes. The research had already occurred and could not be undone. I believe this data had already been made widely available. Deleting the hologram accomplished nothing
@Djarms67
Жыл бұрын
This is something that nutrek doesn’t know how reproduce.
@zoran.grujic
Жыл бұрын
Bullish. All Mengele's knowledge, obtained by experimenting in concentration camps, is used even today with no remorse. Knowledge is never to be deleted no matter how it is obtained.
@kinsmed
Жыл бұрын
I was there for The Original. But to see the analysis by other viewers here is awe-inspiring.
@MisterMarin
Жыл бұрын
Ransom circumvented the ethics problem on his ship by deleting EMH's ethic subroutines. Prest-o change-o... [poof] Seven of Nine won't help us? Hand me the laser scalpel...
@DavisJ-ln6fw
Жыл бұрын
And ?
@JorTanos
Жыл бұрын
Deleting the knowledge from the ship does nothing except harm if that knowledge could have saved more lives. While I understand the Bajoran's anger, erasing the knowledge gained that saves lives makes the torture and deaths of his family absolutely empty. Now, you want to fix it? Start attributing the procedures to those sacrificed in their creation rather than the twisted doctor. Erase the doctor's memory, memorialize the victims.
@ryanm7263
Жыл бұрын
Throwing away knowledge that can be used to mitigate suffering because of some sanctimonious opinion about how that knowledge was obtained by others is morally deranged.
@BruderSenf
Жыл бұрын
the knowledge is there, ignoring/deleting it would mean all the poor souls who sufferd to gain it sufferd for nothing at all
@Peye-pv4cb
Жыл бұрын
If by sentient, can we classify animals as this also, take VW for instance, gassing 30 monkeys in the name of diesel emission testing, they were found out and fined, Google it, it's documented, so anyone that drives a VW is also condoning these actions and also guilty, its like being prosecuted for sins of the father
@BobNinjaCat
Жыл бұрын
"it's convenient to draw a line between higher and lower species, isn't it?" What makes that line so terrifying is that he isn't wrong. For all our talk in the modern world about animal cruelty and testing, we're as willing to sacrifice a lamb to the altar of an unseen force as long as it reassures our fragile egos of the value of our otherwise insignificant affronts. Science likes to pay lips service to the sensitive masses, but it will always confess behind closed doors to slaughtering mice in a maze to prove a point, ethics be damned. The only difference between Human's and the rest of the animal kingdom is that we managed to figure out how to craft a gun first.
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