I would never leave a mag loaded for that long ! My trigger finger would not allow it ! 😂
@ericfogle4965
Ай бұрын
I always thought the modern manufactures took shortening into consideration, that way once it’s shortened/if shortened it’s more or less where it should be
@ShadetreeArmorer
Ай бұрын
Some of them do.
@crewsgiles9499
Ай бұрын
Inherited from my Dad what was originally my grandfather's Colt 1908 Vest Pocket (1919 manufacture). I ran through the six rounds it had in it with no problems. It performed well each time I took it to the range until recently. With .25APC hard to find, I buy what is available but the little pistol has started jamming with almost everything I try in it-- ejecting, but not seating the next round. So, today, I received my spring kit. New magazine spring: 5-3/4" Old magazine spring: 4-7/16" About an inch and a quarter! Obviously feels different to load the magazine, and also when seating the magazine. I look forward to my next range time. Hopefully, it will be less picky about what I feed it.
@elviscollector
Ай бұрын
Is it the end of the world to spend 18 bucks on a new magazine
@Hu-ManGod
2 ай бұрын
Thank you. I really appreciate the video
@TheAnthonyLJ
2 ай бұрын
The only guy I have found that actually did the physical testing. Thank you
@ShadetreeArmorer
2 ай бұрын
Turns out, it matters.
@MF-rtard89
2 ай бұрын
Springs last literally tens of millions of years these days, store them loaded if youre a real man
@ShadetreeArmorer
2 ай бұрын
Sees video, doesn't watch, scrolls down to leave dumb comment. Username checks out @MF-rtard89
@mickyashey9818
2 ай бұрын
HOPPE’s #9 went straight into trash and glad I never got the Lucas or any others that underperformed lol, but the MILCOMM was the oddest to hear and see! So thanx for ths!
@ShadetreeArmorer
2 ай бұрын
By making this video, I finally figured out ten-ish years after the fact that Hoppe's 9 was the likely cause of a shotgun malfunction (slow hammer fall) that happened in cold weather. Needless to say, it's never getting used on anything I own ever again.
@Fowladdict1
3 ай бұрын
I’ve referenced this video a hundred times over the years of cleaning my Benellies or replacing parts. Thank you for making this!
@davehigg3244
3 ай бұрын
Well done!! This has to be one of the best disassembly videos on KZitem. Just one question,, on this particular model there is a flimsy white metal tab/bar in front of the hammer at rest..... it is moulded as part of the frame and I've seen on different forms where this piece gets snapped off for whatever reason but I can't see a reason for it anyway. Too flimsy to be an actual hammer block as its only attached on one side. Would you have any guess as to what it is? Can't see it having any affect on the function of the firearm either,,wether there or not lol....cheers
@ShadetreeArmorer
3 ай бұрын
If it doesn't affect function, probably just there as a part either to reduce wear or make it easier to assemble. Just a guess.
@dynoman1920
3 ай бұрын
What if the forend is stuck slid down and won’t go back up??
@BrianBeeby
3 ай бұрын
Glad I found this video. I've wanted a slick-side chrome bolt assembly from Young Manufacturing for a long time. As I'm realizing more, in this post-2020 world, all bets seem to be off when it comes to AR-15 parts quality from even renown brands. Those chrome bolt assemblies aren't cheap at $300, either. One commenter suggested when Young Manufacturing was bought by KE Arms, the latter was probably hard-chroming bolt assemblies that were already nitride-treated and in spec before the chroming. Hard chroming adds thickness to bolt assemblies which would bring appropriately manufactured parts into spec as Young Manufacturing was probably doing before being bought by KE Arms. It looks like KE Arms cut corners and simply slapped hard chroming onto already-in-spec nitrided bolt assemblies.
@Bionicbunnywabbit
4 ай бұрын
Does anyone else notice a handling difference because the recoil springs are placed in different locations?
@ShadetreeArmorer
4 ай бұрын
Absolutely, the M2 balances right under the action and swings easier whereas the Affinity or M3K is front heavy. Depending on what you're used to, one could be preferable to the other. I prefer the M2 for 3-gun type stuff but I could absolutely see arguments for the Affinity/M3K style setup. Most semi-autos are far more front-heavy than the M2 and similar Benelli shotguns.
@sabregunner1
4 ай бұрын
so it seems that there are issues with the young mfg bcg. there MAY be some tolerence stacking, but it does also seem that there are some QA /QC things not happening as they should. could some of this be due to moving the company and supply chain issues that happened? regardless, this is unfortunate. i was going to go with one of thier BCGs. now either going with a BRT or Lantac bolt. still confused on NiB vs chrome or even DLC
@ShadetreeArmorer
4 ай бұрын
Re: tolerance stacking - this video explains clearly why that isn't a thing. The tolerances of the M4 TDP allow the extremes of sizes to still work together. This is on purpose so you can put them together like legos without hand-fitting, otherwise they'd never be able to mass produce them.
@sabregunner1
4 ай бұрын
@@ShadetreeArmorer yeah the TDP is for specifically that. i am thinking its more on thier side because something is out of wack, so to speak. like how whatever they check against isnt calibrated right and its not in spec enough so while it works for them, its not within tolerce with others. still gonna go with a different BCG thats not a young mfg.
@joeyripswell
5 ай бұрын
Glock is best In general Obviously
@airshooter123
5 ай бұрын
excellent video.....
@Ratlins9
6 ай бұрын
Superb video, your testing gave a definitive answer to this question of loaded magazine reliability over extended time period. Thank you!
@bigticket5869
6 ай бұрын
Best overview ever. Shadetree, you went into more details than any other pundit on the internet.
@desmadreranch4599
7 ай бұрын
Does the hand guard fit on eachother? I want to get a strike industries hand guard for m2 and put it on my franchi i12
@ShadetreeArmorer
7 ай бұрын
Watch the video and you'll clearly see why they cannot interchange. There is no mechanism on the M2 hidden under the handguard, as the recoil spring goes into the stock. On the Affinity, there are rails that go under the handguard to engage a recoil spring that sits on the outside of the magazine tube. On top of that, they are different lengths.
@Gumdropnipples
7 ай бұрын
All the atf agents hoping, praying and drooling over the possibility of even scuffing the ser number.
@ShadetreeArmorer
7 ай бұрын
Not today, fedbois!
@TacShooter
7 ай бұрын
I would like to know if you can restore a spring by stretching it out again.
@timfixinstuff2283
8 ай бұрын
Lol i knew it. Now if i can remember to just link this vid everytime someone starts arguing.
@fasnuf
8 ай бұрын
I don't lubricate my carry gun at all. I've found that it would contaminate the striker assembly and make the gun malfunction. As little as just having the barrel lubricated too much was enough at the first couple shots to force oil and dirt into the striker causing failures to fire. Springfield XDs .45 acp. I regularly inspect and clean the firearm so corrosion isnt an issue. I carry on my hip so sweat isn't an issue. The firearm functions flawless completely dry so I figured it's better to have reliability over lifespan wear on this one.
@ShadetreeArmorer
8 ай бұрын
Most guns can function dry after breaking in, what they often fail at is functioning dry _and_ dirty. So keeping it clean will go a long way. You might see how it likes a bit of grease on the slide rails and maybe the cam surface of the barrel and locking block. I've used the same syringe of Wilson Combat grease (not the new "II" branded stuff in the squeeze bottle) for 15 years, a dab will do and it doesn't migrate like oil will. Apparently that stuff also went by "ProTec Gun Grease." The brand isn't super important, I just like the syringe with the fine point because I can put it exactly where I want in the smallest amount necessary. Looks like that Wilson/Protec stuff is discontinued but there are others who make similar products, just can't vouch for them. I will say that grease is a bad idea for off-body carry in the cold as the grease will get too viscous and slow things down, but for on-body carry you'll keep it warmed up.
@ShadetreeArmorer
8 ай бұрын
One more thing, I know for Glocks there exists a "maritime spring cup" for the striker for this exact problem, oil or water in the striker channel can slow down the striker enough to cause a malf. You might see if similar solutions exist for the XD. I've never needed them on my Glocks.
@bradfordrobertw
8 ай бұрын
So about 4 years ago, I bought NM Young BCG for a 20" SPR I had been collecting parts for , for 3-4 years prior. After loooong research and about a years wait for them to come back in stock, I got mine. I knew that Young used inferior screws on the carrier key, so I ordered some OCKS screws and had a 'smith install & re-stake them. I sent the bolt itself to an extremely well know barrel maker for headspacing to a barrel ordered. The owner called me and said he could not headspace that bolt to any barrel they currently had in the shop because "it is too small". I was upset, to say the least. This man then said he didnt want me to have to wait to sort this out- so he GAVE-FREE...to me a new unfired BCM bolt, which is in the rifle now. Due to the extra size & weight of the NM Carrier, Ive had to use a stronger recoil spring in the rifle to get 100% functioning. Had I known all this I would have went a different route.
@ShadetreeArmorer
8 ай бұрын
Oof.
@ddjslhomebase243
9 ай бұрын
This is excellent. A lot of talk on this very subject, without real data. This is real data, showing that the loaded springs compress (shorten) over time.
@user-wd1vd9du2q
9 ай бұрын
Outstanding video sir! Extremely informative! Would anyone know if there is an aftermarket slide release for this pistol?
@blackonepac
9 ай бұрын
Thx alot you answer alot of questions
@OperationNonsense
9 ай бұрын
mags are really meant to be disposable, consumable items. i personally keep all my mags loaded, so these "tools" are always ready to go if an emergency need arises. even if keeping them loaded for years will reduce their service life and service cycle, then so be it, replace them periodically as intended and pull new ones from your stockpile. i don't understand why some people want to "baby" their mags, an empty mag simply serves no purpose, then why even have them around? it's like "babying" your car by parking it on the drive way with gas tank empty, and only fuel it up before you go for a drive. doesn't make any logical sense.
@TKTK-sw3tq
9 ай бұрын
Tolerance stacking is such an incredibly stupid reply. It shows how little they know about the platform and how little care they operate their company with. Someone needs to tell that guy that this isn’t the 1700’s anymore with cottage industry. I should be able to take any AR-15 BCG and fit it any Upper. If it doesn’t, one of the two is messed up. Either your shit is in Spec or it’s garbage.
@generallee4043
10 ай бұрын
And they want 300 hundred bucks for these
@Odessa45
10 ай бұрын
....and I should add "subscribed" ;)
@Odessa45
10 ай бұрын
Welp, I guess it's time to scratch Young AND KEA off the GTG List. That's too bad.
@choke666
11 ай бұрын
It's always a bummer when a prestigious brand you trust does the flopper.
@ShadetreeArmorer
11 ай бұрын
☹
@vladboy1
11 ай бұрын
So can you just use plane language elastic non elastic just say yes it does or no it doesn’t do loading and unloading wears out the spring ? So shooting a lot wears out the spring so do you leave it loaded or not
@user-un5my5bw4j
11 ай бұрын
I think you should atleast let the company know so they can make adjustments to their machining procedures to keep things within the specification window of the parts they make. I always atleast give these companies the benefit of the doubt that they will fix issues for future parts they machine if you tell them the issues. Unless they are another company purchased by Bob Beck that he ruins then i just stay clear of them. I have been runing Cyptek Coating's BCG's with great results
@ShadetreeArmorer
11 ай бұрын
See part two: kzitem.info/news/bejne/r6iXz3WOpX6TnoI
@hypervanguy
11 ай бұрын
I’ve always loaded stiff magazines that are a little stiff getting the last few rounds in . And it’s always helped . I stop leaving them loaded when I find they aren’t as stiff anymore .
@chopstickshy607
Жыл бұрын
It is 2023 Login just to like your video Thank you for your effort
@ShadetreeArmorer
Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@specialk5070
Жыл бұрын
I’ve had mine like u said from many years ago and it’s still perfect,
@ShadetreeArmorer
Жыл бұрын
Definitely not getting rid of my OG one.
@cloudies3671
Жыл бұрын
how durable are those magpul magzines for the glock?
@ShadetreeArmorer
Жыл бұрын
People complain about them frequently online, but I've never had an issue with them. I think it's a known problem that you should only use brass cased or nickel plated ammo in them. Aluminum and steel seem to drag too much. I only use brass cased ammo, and I've used those magazines to shoot competitions quite a bit and never had a failure that I would attribute to them or had one break.
@MF-rtard89
2 ай бұрын
Never had a single problem. People just like to bitch online.
@ArgosySpecOps
Жыл бұрын
I suspect that the original Young MFG machined their bcg's at reduced dimensions to allow the hard chrome lining to bring it up to dimensional spec, but when KE started offering nitrided bcg's they just machined all bcg's to actual finish dimensional specs without any consideration of the added thickness of the chrome lining.
@ShadetreeArmorer
Жыл бұрын
Wouldn't surprise me.
@BrianBeeby
3 ай бұрын
That's probably it.
@clydeacor1911
Жыл бұрын
I'm in Idaho and have been using the Lucas for years problem free but I don't run my guns dripping wet either and during the summer I've found that it doesn't burn off as fast on my A/R. I've often thought that they're probably just marketing/rebranding 2 stroke gas mix as gun oil Lol... Great video!
@ShadetreeArmorer
Жыл бұрын
The lucas oil is definitely a great oil for summer, it's what I use on my 3-gun rifle with good results. I switch to CLP when it gets cold.
@clydeacor1911
Жыл бұрын
The larger problem I see with this company is that he knowingly turned around and resold a bad part to likely an unsuspecting customer that's going to prematurely wear out his A/R or worse destroy the A/R and possibly cause bodily injury and or death! A company that will do that instead of just throwing a $200 part in the garbage tells me everything I need to know, not to mention the liability they face as a company! And you put all the evidence a victim needs on KZitem.
@ShadetreeArmorer
Жыл бұрын
The apathy is just incredible.
@telesniper2
Жыл бұрын
The master at arms shack on the aircraft carrier I served on kept the M14 magazines loaded with only 15 rounds to avoid spring fatigue.
@d2nasty696
Жыл бұрын
It actually does compress but not too much where it can malfunction. Thank you sir! Alot of KZitemrs just talk out of their butt and don't test them. Now we can actually see the results.
@ShadetreeArmorer
Жыл бұрын
Actually depends on the spring. Didn't cause issues in these mags, but since uploading this video I've run across a magazine where this absolutely causes issues. Can't be specific about the manufacturer, but it's not one of the mega-manufacturers. They're a third party that makes non-OEM mags.
@autumnfall1511
Жыл бұрын
Awesome vid!! Thanks!!
@BigDozer60
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the excellent video sir!!! I just finished doing my Nova Tactical and it's now perfect!!! I really appreciate you taking the time and effort to film and edit a 15 min long video and you're step by step description of everything was really easy to understand. I'd like to ask you what make of Mag Ext do you have installed on your Tactical and are you happy with it?? I'd like to get one for my Nova. Please let me know when you can, no rush at all!!! Thanks Again!!! Have a great weekend!!! :)
@ShadetreeArmorer
Жыл бұрын
It's from Nordic, and I'd recommend them for sure. I also have a couple of Nordic extensions for my M2. Glad you found my video helpful!
@BigDozer60
Жыл бұрын
@@ShadetreeArmorer Thanks for the info on the Mag Ext. I appreciate it. I have Wilson Combat Mag Extensions on my Remington 870P Police shotguns and I really like them a lot but Wilson Combat doesn't make a Mag Ext for a Benelli Nova Tactical. Yes, the video was excellent and I showed it to a buddy who has a Super Nova and he wants me to do this fix on his shotgun, so I'm doing his today. Lol...
@ShadetreeArmorer
Жыл бұрын
@@BigDozer60 at this point, you'd think Benelli (or someone else) would make a drop-in fix, because this seems like it's still a common problem all these years later. I made this video twelve years ago when the limit for KZitem videos was 15 minutes (which is why it's cut down to 14:59!) and I don't think I could have uploaded it in HD back then even. 🤣
@BigDozer60
Жыл бұрын
@@ShadetreeArmorer I agree with you Shade, 100%, before I found your video I did a Google Search and there was several posts about this issue, but the newest one was 2020, I think?? But even with saying that, who knows when my Nova was built, or yours and certainly my neighbours as well, right? But, at least you figured out the fix for it, so thank you for that, sir!!! My buddy, the neighbour, decided that he was going to do his own because I was running out of time today to do it for him, BUT he really should have waited for me. He took too much off the CARRIER DOG and now his Nova is horrible. You can not cycle 3 rounds without the dummy round (that was just fired) dropping on top of the dummy round exiting the magazine tube. Holy Cow!!! We found a new one at NUMRICH GUN PARTS for $36.27 plus shipping of course, but for some strange reason they won't ship it to Canada? Just under the description, in RED letters it states "SHIPMENT PROHIBITED OUTSIDE USA" and just for fun, I looked at the CARRIER DOG PIN as well and it has the same message under that item as well!!! I thought OMG are you kidding me? I get it with some stuff, like 2" barrels for a S&W snubby revolver, but NOT these items. He asked me if I knew anyone that lives in the US and I told him that I didn't know anyone who lives there. Now he's upset about it for a few reasons. How is he going to get one? If he can get one, how badly are they going to hose him on the price? How long is he going to have to wait for it and will he still have the same issue that he started off with in the first place? I'm surprised that they won't ship that little piece to Canada? I've purchased several items from Numrich over the years, nothing huge, but shotgun sights for a Mossberg 590A1, stocks and forends, side saddles, mag extensions, 2 hammers for my Stevens 311R (I mean the full hammer!! The left hammer broke on me and I couldn't find one through the several Gun Shops I called here in Ontario, Canada but I found it at Numrich and when I did the search on their website, I saw that they had the right side as well. So, I bought the right side hammer at the same time, right? Murphy's Law...LOL...Well, the right side has broken yet, but I am ready when it does!!! Hahaha...) So, they'll sell me 2 hammers for a Stevens 311R Shotgun, but they won't sell me a small piece of metal that most people wouldn't know what to call it, never mind explain what it's function is either? Lol.... What you happen to know somewhere in the US that would stock that type of item and ship it to Canada by any chance? It would certainly be greatly appreciated!! I had 2 places that I thought might and I checked both of them and that's a negative on both. One was Midwest Gun Works and I don't remember the other one, it's in my favourites folder and the only reason I keep it there is because they have a great inventory and I can get factory part numbers on that website, plus pricing to compare with other listings to see if I'm getting ripped off or not? Anyway, my apologies for rambling on like this Shade, I really wanted to help my neighbour out with this problem. He's a retired beef and dairy farmer and his sons have taken on the business end of things here and now he spends his GOLDEN YEARS fishing at the stream just a 10 min walk from the farms, or jumping in his aluminum boat and go out on Lake Erie to fish but his favourite pass time is to hunt and right now it's TURKEY TIME and that Benelli Nova is what he has for a shotgun and now it's toast. I have a Nova Tactical with an I.C. Choke that I use for deer when it's shotgun season for deer here and my other shotguns are my Remington 870P Police shotguns that I use for 3-Gun and for Slug Pin Shoots and finally I have a Churchill 206 Orcap O/U 30" Barrels that I use for T & S at the club and that gun is way to beautiful to use clunking around the woods wearing camo or laying down in leaves, branches and mud waiting for a turkey to line the bead up on and dispatch it!! Lol...If I had something that was a "beater" shotgun then I would definitely let him use it. Again, my apologies for the lengthy 'off topic' message here but I'm hoping that you may have some info for me to help out this great old guy so that we can get his Nova back up and running? Thank You for your patience, I certainly appreciate it, sir!!! Have a great weekend with what's left of it!!! :)
@ShadetreeArmorer
Жыл бұрын
@@BigDozer60 ITAR is a pain. This is why I say to go really slow in the video, Benelli parts can be hard to find in the best of times.
@John_jingle_hiemer_schmit
Жыл бұрын
GREAT VIDEO! Very well done and good controls. I’m honestly surprised you didn’t have failures to feed but I’m relieved that my Glock that’s sat loaded for years is probably fine. I mainly carry revolvers these days but glad to know it should still work when I need it!
@ShadetreeArmorer
Жыл бұрын
People think revolvers are as reliable as hammers and that's a falsehood. Gunk and lint from daily carry can foul up a revo action. I've even seen something as innocuous as wearing a glove foul up a S&W (glove got into gap between trigger and hole in frame, and the trigger would not fully reset forward. S&W revo became a one-shot wonder.)
@John_jingle_hiemer_schmit
Жыл бұрын
@@ShadetreeArmorer no gun is guaranteed forever. But I’ve never had an issue with my revolvers. It’s a good option for pocket carry. But as far as the lint buildup I have never seen lint build up in the inner components after removing the side plate. But the same malfunctions you speak of can happen with semi autos as well. Again nothing is guaranteed. Just have to do regular maintenance.
@LLTAC
Жыл бұрын
@@John_jingle_hiemer_schmit beg to differ, my Glocks don't seem to care about years of lint buildup and neglect, nor gloved fingers. There are levels to these things and revolvers are D tier.
@PeytonAllen1
Жыл бұрын
So which is worse for the mag? Leaving them loaded? Or loading & unloading them?
@ShadetreeArmorer
Жыл бұрын
If you load and unload every day? You might wear out a magazine spring in like ten years. If you leave it loaded? It may never wear out, IF the magazine spring has the right creep-resistant properties (i.e. Glock, Magpul) and the feed lips can take it. Or if the spring is crap, you might wear the magazine spring out in a couple of months. No joke, fortunately that's rare.
@PeytonAllen1
Жыл бұрын
@@ShadetreeArmorer So it won’t hurt to keep the mag loaded for my 9mm?
@ShadetreeArmorer
Жыл бұрын
@@PeytonAllen1 depends on the magazine spring honestly. Glock? No questions, yes. S&W? Probably fine, but you'll see *some* wear. Others? If you want to be sure for yourself, measure a new spring after it's been loaded in the magazine fully one time (to account for initial set which is common) and then load the magazine up and measure it again after two months. If you see a major change, you should be wary and test more.
@PeytonAllen1
Жыл бұрын
@@ShadetreeArmorer Taurus G3c
@ShadetreeArmorer
Жыл бұрын
@@PeytonAllen1 no clue, never owned a Taurus in my life.
@9301robodoc
Жыл бұрын
That’s some information I could have used yesterday. I ordered a bolt for a 7.62x39 build that I’m working on. I always research products that I’m unfamiliar with. For some reason this is the first time I’ve seen your presentation and now I’m not feeling so positive. At $150 bucks for just the bolt I would expect top quality. Wow!
@ShadetreeArmorer
Жыл бұрын
They likely sub those bolts out to someone, so maybe it will be fine just fine.
@minhquinn439
Жыл бұрын
Damn man. 150 bucks is a lot for just a bolt. I'm building a AR47 also and I've been trying to find the most reliable BCG to build a decent battle ready rifle. I heard of YM but was skeptical so I kept trying to find more info. I found that chrome BCG are the strongest next would be chrome lined phosphate finish then nickel boron. Im probably gonna go with Sharps Rifle Co. Black Rifle Arms.Or, Mystic Coating. If I find out that the shortened AR10 BCG from CMMG won't fit. Also someone here in the comments just said something about chrome BCG from Brownels so ima have look. Good luck man, please let us know how the bolt Young Manufacturing sends you works out.
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