Paid advertising...Watch independent review of this to get realistic review. There is a lot to know before buying this. Long story short its not worth it. For now....
@klein-concept
5 сағат бұрын
@@Xpayn3 just to be clear. None of this is paid. They only send over a free groupset. So no reason to make this overly positive at 500 euro value for a product 😂😂. But i would actually be very interested in your experience and why you came to the conclusion that it is not worth it. As for me so far it works super smooth
@FT__Bicycling_____-sc7yv
15 сағат бұрын
about n+1 bikes... Well.. bikes are fun. New bikes are fun. No bike is going to be entirely perfect so it's easy to have some small annoyance with a current bike turn into buying a new bike. Or our preferences and ideas change a little bit
@klein-concept
14 сағат бұрын
🫶
@FT__Bicycling_____-sc7yv
18 сағат бұрын
Anyone know what the actual aerodynamic penalty is of these kind of framesets (watts at 40kph) vs modern aero-ish designs like an SL8 / System 6 / Propel / whatever?
@klein-concept
14 сағат бұрын
Good question. Would love to know as well.
@romanpramuka2703
Күн бұрын
So, you've upgraded from Dura ACE to Chinese shit, what a world we live in? BTW, what's the point of having wireless shifting, while brakes are cable actuated.
@klein-concept
Күн бұрын
@@romanpramuka2703 lol i mean that was the bike i had ready to give this a try. I wanted to give this a test without having to build a new bike. Electronic shifting still can have more precision than mechanical and be lower maintenance and easier installation. Guess you could ask the same question with disc brakes as well. About why to use wireless shifting while still having brake hoses. 🫶
@stefangrose4954
Күн бұрын
Has Wheeltop started offering individual components, if you need a replacement? Until that’s available I don’t understand how these are viable.
@klein-concept
Күн бұрын
@@stefangrose4954 they must be working on a better distribution and service networks here as well. I agree if they want to be successful long term.
@TFL00W
Күн бұрын
I would love a video after a month of use !
@klein-concept
Күн бұрын
@@TFL00W good idea. Will try to do that 🤜🤛
@johnnyboy4711
Күн бұрын
mixed end user reviews long term, i dont want to be an aftermarket beta tester,dont get me wrong i love sensah mech 11 speed. looking forward to Ltwoo TT gruppo. Sram rival axs with blips for me - 400 euro TT bike
@klein-concept
Күн бұрын
Thats a good deal. Second hand or new?
@johnnyboy4711
Күн бұрын
@@klein-concept new rival axs rear derailleur 189, blips 89, battery and charger 80 1*TT setup
@klein-concept
Күн бұрын
@@johnnyboy4711 what brake levers are you using?
@johnnyboy4711
Күн бұрын
@@klein-concept SRAM cable brake
@Crafftyyy
Күн бұрын
Now If it only had blips or remote shifters for old tt bikes
@klein-concept
Күн бұрын
That would be real good 🫶
@youra79cccp12
Күн бұрын
How much they cost and how I can have one
@klein-concept
Күн бұрын
It is 649 euro and you can get it here: bit.ly/4bRpoAK
@DanTuber
Күн бұрын
Easy to charge and monitor?
@klein-concept
Күн бұрын
Yes charging is very easy with magnetic cables. What do you mean with monitor?
@DanTuber
Күн бұрын
@@klein-concept Monitor how much charge is left before it runs out
@everythingRICHARDIFY
Күн бұрын
how does it perform compared to the ltwoo erx groupset? looking forward to the new erx groupset coming out later this year too.
@klein-concept
Күн бұрын
The rear shifting is very similar. The front shifting is a bit snappier on the L-Twoo i think but as i m not using the front derailleur that often anyways its not really something i notice when riding out.
@everythingRICHARDIFY
Күн бұрын
@@klein-concept cool! But, one question though. Is it too risky buying from ltwoo and wheeltop for the electronic groupset? Or is it all worth it and do you think it will last long same way with shimano and sram ones? Thank you
@BikeLife154
Күн бұрын
I would never in a million years take off my Dura Ace 9100 mechanical and put on that unknown nonsense. Once you have a problem you’ll never hear from them again as I can see from at least one commentator on here. There’s more than low price to any components. I don’t see anything attractive about Chinese groupsets!
@klein-concept
Күн бұрын
@@BikeLife154 if you already have a 9100 group i agree. There is no need to upgrade as you already are riding the best mechanical groupset ever made. But if you re building a new bike and want to keep things on a budget this is still an alternative to di2 or axs setups. As you say service remains an issue for most of these brands so far but they are aware and must be working on establishing a service network.
@BikeLife154
Күн бұрын
@@klein-concept I understand what you're saying and I'm not here to argue, however, this groupset is £549 I believe in the UK and they provide no crankset or chain. I can buy an Ultegra R8000 rim brake groupset for £699 with the crank and chain. Yes, it's mechanical, but even that I would favour over this stuff coming out of china. I can see landfill galore in the not too distant future from all these broken Chinese groupsets from companies that are dead in a couple of yearš or refuse to help customers because of the financial implications. Btw Ultegra Di2 is £1299 again with a crank and chain. The crankset alone is £199 and the chain around £40-50 so the wheeltop group is now £800 with the cost of these added.
@klein-concept
Күн бұрын
@@BikeLife154 good point and calculation. It is not a bargain and on the edge where you really have to think if you dont want to add that little bit of extra cash to go for Shimano. But for anybody on a really tight budget and who is dreaming of going electronic it is still a valid choice i think. Given that brands like Wheeltop and L-Twoo will be able to establish a proper service network eg in Europe.
@timdixo
21 сағат бұрын
Retail prices will come down and the creases will be ironed out in time. If Wheeltop,L-Twoo and Magene etc don't become major players in the electronic groupset market I'll be flabbergasted.
@klein-concept
21 сағат бұрын
@@timdixo 🫶
@valmorell
Күн бұрын
This is a really interesting groupset. I really like the concept of no wires, so simple to build. Recently I have been playing around with mechanical disc brake calipers/Sensah shifters, just to see if they are as bad as people say. They are not. Once leverage is sorted, which requires a little engineering, they are great, the equal of my hydros though the lever feel is heavier due to the return springs. This groupset would be great with those calipers.....
@klein-concept
Күн бұрын
Glad to hear you made the Sensah setup work. Most of the time these groupsets are getting really close to Shimano or Sram but require a bit more work when setting them up. Most of the time thats worth it due to the reduced price.
@charlesmansplaining
Күн бұрын
The idea of electronic shifting on my vintage bike intrigues me but honestly it wouldn't look good. With those bikes only aluminum components look right. There's nothing wrong fully mechanical systems so I'll stick to that.
@klein-concept
Күн бұрын
If you want to keep that clean vintage look you are absolutely right. I sometimes like that batmobil touch on a vintage frame 😂😂😂
@robo080888
Күн бұрын
this is a no brainer if you want value for money, but DA and RED give your ego an extra 100 watts.
@klein-concept
Күн бұрын
Haha so well said 🤜🤛
@philadams9254
Күн бұрын
Would love to know some weights for the components if you get time
@klein-concept
Күн бұрын
Sorry i completely forgot. Hope that other youtubers will follow up on this. But i will try to do it when i have a second.
@philadams9254
6 сағат бұрын
@@klein-concept Don't worry. No point now if you've already built up the bike.
@jkspcoy
Күн бұрын
Brilliant video, do you think they will update the app soon ?
@klein-concept
Күн бұрын
Thank you. Good question. But even without update its manageable. 🤜🤛
@EllasPOSEiDON
Күн бұрын
I am thinking of the disc version for my carbon road built. Sram and Shimano probably started to scratch their heads now. Lots and lots of people seriously turned to this chinese brand in the past few months.
@klein-concept
Күн бұрын
And they are getting better and better.
@DerekGreen123
2 күн бұрын
Thanks for another great video KC 👍 I really enjoyed using my WheelTop EDS TX Carbon Disc groupset for the first 4 weeks that I owned it (here in the UK). Unfortunately the rear-derailleur stopped working after 600 Km (stuck in lowest gear and just beeps/whirrs when trying to change the gear). I swapped a few emails with WheelTop Support, but they tell me they will not help me, so I am left with a bike I cannot ride and no way of fixing it 😥 I really want to support WheelTop... but if they cannot provide any Support when they're product breaks, then I'm do not see how anyone can recommend it 😖
@klein-concept
2 күн бұрын
@@DerekGreen123 glad you like the video but sad to hear about your experience. Could you maybe send me a dm via instagram with your order details and i try to push them as well.
@kidsafe
Күн бұрын
Question: Did you buy directly from WheelTop or did you buy via an unofficial AliExpress seller?
@GrouEEf
2 күн бұрын
First time on a road bike. Wears pas normal kit. Wtf
@klein-concept
2 күн бұрын
Haha he s wearing my stuff tho as he had no kit himself.
@thedronescene7474
2 күн бұрын
I have a brand new DA 9070 ❤ Still debating which frame to buy. I am really considering a Steel frame. Lets see
@klein-concept
2 күн бұрын
@@thedronescene7474 Go for a light steel one. You will not regret it 🤜🤛
@psnSupergrobi10
2 күн бұрын
Endlich mal was interessantes 😉 Nicht immer nur Disc Brakes 😉 Spaß beiseite, hoffe wirklich, dass die chinesischen Groupsets besser werden
@klein-concept
2 күн бұрын
Hehe. Finde die Wheeltop ist in sachen gefühlte qualität schon weit vorne. Die neue LTwoo in blau aber auch. Da geht so langsam was.
@WioWio-sf5pc
2 күн бұрын
i got ztto 54 ratche from aliexpres ,30euros! works perfectly!!!
@klein-concept
2 күн бұрын
Dope price 🤌
@rugiOHHHH
2 күн бұрын
any issues with the app translations? is it somewhat intuitive to figure out the settings to index each sprocket?
@klein-concept
2 күн бұрын
Its not the most intuitive app but as the options are limited its not too difficult to figure it out within a couple of minutes.
@cyclingchef3531
2 күн бұрын
Hi, any bike weight difference between mechanic and wireless?
@klein-concept
2 күн бұрын
I knew i forgot about something 🫣😬😂😂
@dgonz6027
2 күн бұрын
How many kms have you put so far on your oxic wheelset and how's the coating?
@klein-concept
2 күн бұрын
@@dgonz6027 i have mainly used the Oxic wheels for one Mallorca trip. So around 500-600 km with LOTS of heavy breaking. Coating is still like new.
@hendrikspark4462
2 күн бұрын
I have that Wheelset for around 8000-10000 km, coating is like new.
@klein-concept
2 күн бұрын
Beautiful 🫶
@GrouEEf
2 күн бұрын
Love the sambass on Tempelhofer Feld! What a vibe...
@klein-concept
2 күн бұрын
Me too 🫶
@christophervergara2962
2 күн бұрын
Hopefully you also try the disc brake version also 🙏 nice video, as always. Cheers from Chile 🇨🇱
@klein-concept
2 күн бұрын
Thanks a lot 🤜🤛
@iamalexfranz
2 күн бұрын
Really nice! Will consider this groupset for my next rim brake build - thanks for making this video, Michael 🤩
@klein-concept
2 күн бұрын
Always a pleasure. I think its real good value for money. What kind of bike are you planning to build?
@iamalexfranz
2 күн бұрын
@@klein-concept Looking at building up a Supersix Evo and not go too crazy budget-wise - let's see!
@klein-concept
2 күн бұрын
Super dope frame. That EDS would fit well there i think.
@logicsetsyoufree9052
2 күн бұрын
Great video, just found it a little hard to stay engaged because your glasses are so enormous, and it was extremely distracting.
@klein-concept
2 күн бұрын
Hahahahahaha. Sorry for that. Will add more b roll next time 🫣 but glad you enjoyed the video anyways 🤜🤛
@logicsetsyoufree9052
2 күн бұрын
No worries at all lol....I wear glasses myself🤓....Good stuff bro🚴🏼🤙🏻
@klein-concept
2 күн бұрын
@@logicsetsyoufree9052 🤓🫶🤓
@nicolasjan1584
2 күн бұрын
You presse and tightten the breaks , then realise presion . Is the spacer always needed ?
@klein-concept
2 күн бұрын
You either need a full spacer block if you remove the pads or a regular pad spacer or some thick cardboard in between the pads if you want to keep them in.
@aaroiseverything
3 күн бұрын
did you have to size up? canyon speedmax's reach for size S is 413 but velobuild's reach for size M is 411
@klein-concept
2 күн бұрын
I think this is due to asian sizes on these frames. I only looked at the geometry chart to ballpark the right size.
@zikaperic2133
3 күн бұрын
thanks for the review! I am thinking to buy them now, Can you say a little bit how they are serving now after 1 year?
@klein-concept
3 күн бұрын
I have not been riding them so much as i mainly needed them for the Mallorca trip as otherwise i mostly ride flat. But i liked them a lot. Feel like quality wheels.
@nicolasjan1584
3 күн бұрын
Do you know a tick to mont a modern fork on a vintage bike ? the tube ends in a cone on the modern fork but it's the same diameter .
@klein-concept
3 күн бұрын
I only know the Columbus Minimal fork as a modern carbon fork that fits most retro frames. 🤜🤛
@nicolasjan1584
3 күн бұрын
@@klein-concept Merci
@ImBlaze30
5 күн бұрын
I love these vids. I thought you were going with the Ultegra Shamono set 12spd though
@klein-concept
5 күн бұрын
@@ImBlaze30 thanks a lot. The Ultegra one will be used for another project soon 🤜🤛
@returnofthenative
6 күн бұрын
I like my 36, & if it doesn't wear well I'll go to 24T for road.
@klein-concept
5 күн бұрын
I agree that 36 is enough but was worth it for this experiment. 🤜🤛
@enriquevera2000
6 күн бұрын
YOLO !!!!! buy another Bike !!!!!
@klein-concept
6 күн бұрын
Haha. On it 🫣
@nicolasjan1584
6 күн бұрын
no bearring on the fork ?
@klein-concept
6 күн бұрын
No. The bearing is already in the external cup. 🤜🤛
@aaroiseverything
7 күн бұрын
hi! love the paintjob on this!!! thinking of getting one. Is it also mechanical groupset compatible?
@klein-concept
7 күн бұрын
@@aaroiseverything thank you. Glad you like it 🤜🤛 Yes a mechanical groupset will also work.
@st1ckym4n
8 күн бұрын
Weißt du, wie es mit Einfuhrzöllen läuft, wenn man es bestellt?
@klein-concept
7 күн бұрын
Du kannst es mit fedex liefern lassen und dann sind die ganzen einfuhrkosten schon gecovered meines wissens.
@endtimeslips4660
8 күн бұрын
AliExpress one more cheap and feel the same as original upgrade kit from DT it 60T the ali one
@tomminogue7023
8 күн бұрын
I love your 3 meter long head set press tool.
@klein-concept
8 күн бұрын
Haha most professional tool i have 🫣
@Pobearhere
8 күн бұрын
Loving this channel. Currently building a Ti bike myself, could you go a little more into detail about the headset bro? A link would help a lot 😊👍
@klein-concept
8 күн бұрын
Thanks a lot. If you google FSA 55r you will get all the details. It is a pretty standard part i think. 🤜🤛
@Pobearhere
8 күн бұрын
Cheers man 👍
@robin6601
9 күн бұрын
Very nice wheels! But carbon wheels are very expensive and I am not sure if +1000€ wheels are really necessary
@klein-concept
8 күн бұрын
Necessary. No. Nice to have ... Oh Yes 🫶
@gamer-pro-berlin
9 күн бұрын
🔥🔥🔥
@klein-concept
9 күн бұрын
Let me know if you want to give them a try 🤜🤛
@ku4nz
9 күн бұрын
You did great job showing this process. Tubeless looks so messy. Thanks for doing video.
@klein-concept
9 күн бұрын
Thanks a lot 🤜🤛
@jieon_doit
10 күн бұрын
Thanks for the tips! It really helps :) Did you also find any group rides community that anyone can join? I am planning to go by myself and wondering if I can ride with other people.
@klein-concept
10 күн бұрын
Stop by the Pas Normal Studios store in Palma. They do frequent group rides and are very friendly people. 🤜🤛
@jieon_doit
10 күн бұрын
@@klein-concept PNS! 🫡 thanksss!✨
@klein-concept
6 күн бұрын
Hope you will have a great time in Mallorca.
@jieon_doit
6 күн бұрын
@@klein-concept thanksss😃😃
@timtaylor9590
10 күн бұрын
you can stick a pencil or something in the front derailleur to hold it
@klein-concept
10 күн бұрын
Good idea. Thanks 🤜🤛
@timtaylor9590
10 күн бұрын
I heard if you turn your seat post clamp 180 degrees it will prevent marking or damaging carbon posts. I think the main issue is sharp steel edges clamping on super light dry carbon. Consider sanding or smoothing the inside edges of the seat tube
@klein-concept
10 күн бұрын
Thank you. Already did the sanding but since turning around the clamp it seems to work way better 🫶
@camieljanssen7946
11 күн бұрын
Nice video, what's your opinion about the Avian handlebar? Is it sturdy enough?
@klein-concept
10 күн бұрын
Thank you. Yes i think so. Already ordered a second one 🤜🤛
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