I don't care what people say, DA2 is my favorite game in the series plot-wise. Yes, there are issues with the rest of the game. DA:O is my overall favorite, but nothing else tops 2's main story for me
@snappycenter7863
Жыл бұрын
Anders is like the Christchurch Mosque shooter in New Zealand; the kind of person who thought shooting up a mosque was the solution to Islamic terrorism.
@shock019
Жыл бұрын
3:19 Sebastian's actor reacted to dalphina's death with the same passion and anguish I feel when I remember that I forgot to pickup ben and Jerry's at the supermarket.
@elenaspatzier9279
Жыл бұрын
Anders; blowing up cathedrals with political rivals before it was cool 😂😂
@ahmedxein1057
2 жыл бұрын
Isabella 🤣 shit
@MandalorianRevan
2 жыл бұрын
Agree or disagree with Anders actions, in the end, he got what he wanted even if the Inquisitor sides with the Templars.
@kallonist
2 жыл бұрын
What is that fucking awful mod you have on Merrill
@brittanydelacruz7281
3 жыл бұрын
I may have killed Anders because what's the point on doing that it's gonna get worse than before for the mages
@xenon8117
3 жыл бұрын
What happened to Aveline, Merrill and Isabela?!
@gamingwithgav161
3 ай бұрын
Probably a mod
@grace-given4288
3 жыл бұрын
Is it just me or lip sync in this game is great ?
@xenon8117
3 жыл бұрын
Noticeably better than DA:I, their lips were usually quite bad. Actually maybe it was just the female mouths because I think Cullen was fine along with Dorian and the others. The female lips actually clip their teeth a lot and it looks really bad.
@alexregan
3 жыл бұрын
2:45 at midnight you're welcome 😌
@viniciusyugulis7278
3 жыл бұрын
Haha Elthina go boom
@8n177
4 жыл бұрын
i wasn’t too sure about anders throughout da2, but this scene made me like him.
@Hjalmar_an_Craite
2 жыл бұрын
@@Rosevieenla What innocent people? Elthina, bunch of clerics and templars? Cause that's what the game shows and they were hardly innocent. Hawke and the companions were like 100 meters from the explosion and nothing happened to them so I don't buy any "Anders killed hundreds/thousands of innocents" bullshit.
@volourn9764
Жыл бұрын
@@Hjalmar_an_Craite There's children in the church. You think blowing up churches is just? Why not target templars in the gallows not the church? Terorosim of innocent people is evil. You clearly support church bombings and mass murders in real life. Sick.
@juanitocrispens2299
4 жыл бұрын
Chantry explodes. Anders: *sips wine*
@viniciusyugulis7278
3 жыл бұрын
My Hawke: Haha Elthina go boom
@chriswoo2289
3 жыл бұрын
My Hawke, looking right at Meredith: Whoops, missed one.
@Acebender
4 жыл бұрын
.... That's not Aveline
@billida
4 жыл бұрын
Anders did a horrible thing, but I’ve always played a mage character. And I absolutely loathe Templars and the Chantry. The talk we have in the chantry with the high priestess about tranquil mages was revolting. Its basically legal lobotomy. Mages are always the guilty ones in all 3 games.
@santos122122
4 жыл бұрын
I must find the sauce!!! 🤣🤣🤣
@woohooeval
5 жыл бұрын
I hate Sebastian he was an annoying prick
@GenericUsername-qp1ww
6 жыл бұрын
1000% justified. The Chantry is no religion, its a cult of murderous zealots. Justa ask the Dalish.
@darthportus
5 жыл бұрын
Because Dalish are so different.
@Hjalmar_an_Craite
5 жыл бұрын
@@darthportus What have the Dalish done wrong? They always get the short end of the stick, Chantry hates them and tries to erase their culture and history.
@GenericUsername-qp1ww
5 жыл бұрын
@@Hjalmar_an_Craite nothing pissed me off more than anything by the fact in Inquisition there was no option to refuse to choose a Divine and let the Chantry fall into chaos
@azazel166
4 жыл бұрын
@@Hjalmar_an_Craite A group of powerful mages among them declared themselves gods, and enslaved their kind. The tattoos they have are marks of slavery.
@Hjalmar_an_Craite
4 жыл бұрын
@@azazel166 I played the Inquisition and Trespasser, I know it. But Evanuris, that was before the actual Dalish. And the meaning of vallaslin has changed, it became a symbol of their culture, of how they're struggling to keep at least something of their past. The meaning of a symbol can change overtime e.g. swastika. And I'm not going to hold all elves accountable for what a small group of elves has done thousands of years ago.
@madvulcan8964
6 жыл бұрын
I'd say fuck it go all out and murder everyone except Varric and Anders, I'll spare them by teleporting them to some bar in Ferelden. Then I'll kill everyone, Templars, Mages, it doesn't matter anymore. Only to finally wipe this chamber pot of a city off the map of Thedas. Good Times 😈👹
@CutieInk
6 жыл бұрын
"i will not abandon you" *blood boils because he left me and i had to argue with him to get him back*
@leelen2907
6 жыл бұрын
So...seems Anders is responsible for all the endless hinterlands side quests in DA:I But seriously i belive circles is vital in thedas it's a valuable asset for mages to hone their minds and skills but using it as a prison is bad and has proven not to work. My theory is that if the circles where a place where mages could live and study then later let out in proper workforce's like healers, herbalists, Scholars and military (however only if their mind is strong enough to resist demons) for one can not argue against that demon possession and corruption is the actual root of why mages are feared. Magic is not like a sword or arrow, you can't just simply put it away and be done with it, since you have it in you and there is a horde of demons wanting a pice of said mage he/she are in a constant stage of danger. Also communication with family and friends are crucial if the circle could be treated more like a boarding school with proper guard and personnel that validates and values what goes on with the mages doubts and insecurities then abominations and last resources like blood magic and demonic dealings would lessen significantly. Also making being a mage no longer a social stigma but instead a contribution to his/her family and society. this wont save every mage/Templar/person from bad experiences but it's a diplomatic and peaceful compromise for both parties.
@xenon8117
3 жыл бұрын
Treat it like the Witcher world. They have schools to teach magic and the mages then go into the world and use it in various ways. They can have the Templars then act as a policing force for when mages go bad instead of having them all locked up in circles.
@destinbass1159
6 жыл бұрын
Am I the only one who still liked Anders after this and didn't feel Anders did anything wrong
@violetraven8323
5 жыл бұрын
No, in fact Anders is one of my favorite Dragon age characters. Yes that doesn't make him any less of a hypocritical, pretentious, and self-righteous fanatic. While he still can be a gentle and caring man whose well-meanings. Others despise him for it(and I totally see why) yet I believe it's what makes him an interesting character-and one I dare say you could sympathize with. It's not that the Chantry didn't do this to themselves. They've maimed, raped, imprisoned, stolen, and/or persecuted anyone and everyone who dare not bow "before there maker"(basically not doing everything they say and then there oh so shocked that CENTURIES of that shit leads to WAR?!) Honestly the only difference between a revolutionist and a terrorist-is who won. Do people honestly believe that revolutions are fought by sinless men who don't have innocent blood on there hands? As well-intentioned as they may be-TRUST ME. That mentality only takes you so far. Of course I'd never condone mass murder, but as someone whose canon is starting a Mage and Dalish uprisings. WHAT WOULD IT TAKE FOR THE GENOCIDAL CHANTRY TO CHANGE THERE WAYS. How long till they decide to pay the Elves what there due, how long until they stopped stealing children from there families, how long until they've quit using tranquility as a punishment? Even if that point is reached imagine the dozen droves of those who've suffering and died for years and won't truly gain justice. As they say "If anyone else has any bright ideas on how to fix this shit without blood and war PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME!?"
@jcksparrowfan
6 жыл бұрын
Fucking good light show *eats popcorn*
@RacoonDog90
6 жыл бұрын
Stupid idiot Anders. Started a war with a stupid act of terrorism
@makotomikami
6 жыл бұрын
This was like Thedas' 9/11.
@Kris-jt8hg
7 жыл бұрын
MAKER NO!
@InstagramAWrestlingHistorian
7 жыл бұрын
Game of Thrones ripped this off!!!
@Blazenix1
7 жыл бұрын
The Chantry was quite close to several buildings in Hightown, the impact the explosion had would've destroyed/set a flame several buildings thus killing many people. Plus the debris would've crushed people as well. It might've looked like only twenty people but he harmed a lot of innocents.
@xenon8117
3 жыл бұрын
We do hear something in DA:I about people being brought in to help repair the damage and deal with the chaos. It does help imply that this was a pretty destructive act and killed a lot of people.
@RoxLOL
7 жыл бұрын
I spared Anders because it might have not been him that wanted to do it, if you are his rival he claims Vengeance possesed him and wants you too kill him while his Calling might have made Justice go more corrupt than he already was
@xenon8117
3 жыл бұрын
I think he very much wanted to do it, he says more than once that Justice and him are intertwined and that it’s always him and not someone else.
@vynegar_
3 ай бұрын
@@xenon8117 Exactly. Anders basically is Justice/Vengeance at this point
@kitl159
8 жыл бұрын
Man, I only thought Anders killed like 20 people. Apparently when you're making your tapestry in dragon age keep, it says that he killed hundreds. Twenty people was almost understandable but hundreds? How in the world did he think that would solve anything
@Caramelhypnose
7 жыл бұрын
Because he can force everyone to pick up a side. The high number of people who just wanted to be neutral was making the situation to stay the same forever. He did what he had to do.
@xenon8117
3 жыл бұрын
He decided that the only way this was going to get better was for it to get much worse and he isn’t wrong. The circles were never going to be made more relaxed and the mages were being treated like shit from the moment magical abilities appeared in them.
@jocistrouse9432
8 жыл бұрын
Thumbs up for Anders alive and well. Thanks for sharing!
@DagothDaddy
8 жыл бұрын
there are no face mods for Varric cause Varric needs no face mods
@brendanrouth3807
8 жыл бұрын
So how did you guys like that Game of Thrones finale?
@aeneidos
7 жыл бұрын
Man somebody needs to edit this scene with the ost from GOT's chantry explosion
@kristenschowalter7449
6 жыл бұрын
Brendan Routh you sir made me laugh so hard I now have a splitting headache. I salute you
@dot6289
6 жыл бұрын
My Hawkes name is Margaery haha
@lorainekelly5015
8 жыл бұрын
fuck off
@ScarletxCrimson
8 жыл бұрын
Oh my goodness. I didn't have the DLC with Sebastian, but seeing this... I'm glad I didn't. That was hilarious! Hahaha.
@angelnobody7137
5 жыл бұрын
So bad acting
@Darklover15
8 жыл бұрын
Anders deserved death every single time for thinking destroying a Chantry and killing a grand cleric would help the mages' cause at all. What a horrible character Bioware turned Anders into.
@TheHorreK2
8 жыл бұрын
+Schrödinger and he started so friendly and willing to help those in need...
@MeBomb1
8 жыл бұрын
By this point Anders was mostly consumed by Justice/Vengeance. How much of this is Anders' and how much is the spirit's fault is up to debate.
@TheHorreK2
8 жыл бұрын
MeBomb1 but (as i remember from Awakening) the spirit was a "tool" of justice, it would never let innocent die even if they were church
@MeBomb1
8 жыл бұрын
I haven't played Awakening (yet), but...1) We're in Kirkwall.2) We're in Kirkwall. I know they're the same, but it's a big enough deal that it has to be mentioned twice. Why?a) The weak Veil means a large number of posessions and influence of Fade Spirits. The proximity to all the demons might have corrupted or weakened the idealistic spirit.b) Justice/Vengeance might have thought that the Chantry was guilty of "support by inaction", essentially "They're not doing anything to directly help the circle, meaning they must me in full support of the Templars". I mean Kirkwall's circle is located in the goddamn Gallows!I'm not saying this is what happened, but an influence from the fade spirit IS there. I mean just before the bomb detonates, as Anders is talking, you can see the spirit in Anders flare up.
@ribbonrei
8 жыл бұрын
Sebastian. ... just shut up okay. and that chantry had what? six people in it?
@albertveisman9084
8 жыл бұрын
+ribbonrei There was in fact an orphanage in the Chantry. And lets not forget that Chantry also accepts the refugees and others who are in need.
@Shadowhunterbg
8 жыл бұрын
+Albert Veisman Ouch...
@albertveisman9084
8 жыл бұрын
+Hurlock alpha This is why I hate Dragon Age 2. They were not only too lazy to write an adequate story, but they also didn't even bother to provide us with decent cutscenes. For Maker's sake, if we are we really suppose to believe the video clip it turns out that even such a small church in a tiny village like Lothering would have more people in it than this enormous cathedral that is both the symbol and the heart of the city. Stop defending Anders. He is not some kind of romanticized version of freedom fighter like V. He is a mentally unstable individual who went nuts due to the affliction of the Blight and the influence of the corrupted spirit. But at the same, I should not blame Anders. I should blame the screenwriters who insisted on writing this half-raw story about "templars vs. mages war, where in fact, everybody is an idiot and there is no solution or alternative" (Can you imagine? No choice in the game from Bioware). They flushed down Thrask by making him an imbecile and every single decision we made in the quests related to "templars against mages" just for the sake of drama. No matter how mage-friendly you were and no matter on how good terms you were with Thrask, he would still, out of the blue, consider you a Meredith loyalist and would try to win you over by kidnapping your friend/sibling (what a great idea!what could possibly go wrong?!). In the end I no longer hate Anders. However, by killing him I can release some anger that is actually addressed to the authors.
@Shadowhunterbg
8 жыл бұрын
Albert Veisman Just so you know i don't like him. Bioware should have cleared out the story more for us. There is many "but what if" in this game and since we never entered the Circle until the end, we never knew what was really inside of it like. Anders says that the mages are locked up and live like slaves inside, while Bethany, when in the Circle, doesn't mind it and you could say that she"enjoys" it. Here is the "but what if" - but what if Anders lied to us or at least he described the Circle as more evil than it actually was only to defend his ideals... Bethany wouldn't lie to us right? But he might as he is no longer Anders. But what if Bethany lied to us and she actually was a prisoner, just to not worry about her? WHO KNOWS... I don't... Since there is so much uncertainty in the end i sided with the templars as the more "secure"choice because, yeah, some may have acted as assholes but they still represent order and are more connected to the city (because they have their families in there) than the mages and since i never saw the circle mages in the game i can't support them only because Orsino, a liar, said that they are innocent and not corrupted. There is so many blood magic in the city. It is very unlikely that the Circle, full with mages, was an exception. If the game gave me more signs, proof, that the circle mages didn't use blood magic, i would have defended the mages but it didn't and i wont take any risk for a side that i barely knew and never saw. Bioware could have given us some quests inside the Circle, to talk with the mages who live there and some detective quests in which we follow a possible trail of blood magic activity in the Circle. In the end Anders should be killed because what he did, he did it on his own, behind your back and if there were truly children and refugees inside, he should have been hanged not stabbed.
@albertveisman9084
8 жыл бұрын
Agree... all three story arcs were bad. The progress from zero to hero was horrible. Starting from the bottom... one year cut and one quest later you are already filthy rich. Where is the immersion of the poor living in slums and working for mercs/smugglers? Why should I care for this mansion if I got so easily? Then there is weak "qunari arc" where there was Sister Petrice and a bunch of racists who had no better motive to be hostile to qunari than "because they are racists". But worst thing about it was Arishok. Who could believe that a person who embodies the role of both state leader, minster of defense and minister of foreign affairs has nothing better to do than wasting months in the middle of the district of foreign backwater country doing nothing. It ironic that latter-added Tallis is far more better representative of horned giant's culture than the horned giants themselves. Finnally there is ridiculous "mages vs templars" story that so desperately crammed and stuffed into the finally act that is painful to watch. Every mage in this place is either blood mage, hypocrite, lunatic or fanatical revolutionary. Where are the good old Fraternities of Enchanters? Aequitarians, isolationists, lucrosians, loyalists - where are they. We only have either nutty maleficar-hyporicts and the Resolutionists like Anders compared to whom the libertarians look innocent as lamb. I really like your idea about having quest related to the Circle, instead of the Gallows. We could meet such various colorful characters and see the situation ourself, but no. Being a mage-supporter and found it stupid that even Orisno, who in the beginning seemed to be most adequate representer of mage faction was, within minutes of final battle. revealed to be a bloody psycho who turns himself into mindless monster. It seems that authors indeed tried desperately to shoehorn in the idea that the position of true neutrals is the best one. But off course it is easy to side with Varric if you are surrounded by strawmen. And if the authors so much wanted to show that siding with any of faction is stupid that they force the player to take side in the final battle. Why did'nt they give the player an option to say "screw you all, I wont take side", gather your friends and fight through the city to escape this madness?
@TheBrickMasterB
8 жыл бұрын
I can never take this scene seriously when Sebastian screams "NOOOO!" The voice acting for that is just terrible.
@raihanmaulanafajri9820
8 жыл бұрын
I found it funny, and laughed so hard when i saw it.
@Jmoney32689
9 жыл бұрын
Anders: "I will not let you treat all mages as criminals". (Proceeds to murder dozens of innocent people) This is literally the point where the writers said, "Fuck it!"
@cobaltaeg1453
8 жыл бұрын
Especially with Orsino being like "Fuck this!" and turning to blood magic, pretty much confirming what Merideth and the rest of the Templars were trying to avoid. After that, I sorely regretted siding with the mages. I feel the writers could have done something better with it, almost all the mages in DA2 turned to Blood Magic just to 'even' it out between Templars being too restrictive.
@Jmoney32689
8 жыл бұрын
+James Wadland This game is the textbook definition of darkness-induced apathy. I don't give a fucking shit about the mages or templars. Varric is literally the only companion in the game with enough sense to say this. It's bullshit. Both sides in this game are filled with nothing but murderers, psychopaths, and just incompetent dumbasses. I understand that the game needs a climax, but there is no valid reason given as to WHY I should help one of these two sides tear Kirkwall to pieces, ESPECIALLY when both sides attack me anyway. WTF?!
@cobaltaeg1453
8 жыл бұрын
Jmoney32689 Initially, in Origins, you get a small but good taste of how each party works. Mages are nice, but they have to deal with occasional hardship like the Harrowing or a posession. Same with the Templars. They're just doing their job, because when you see yourself in the Harrowing how manipulative Demons can be you understand why the Templars do it. Having Alistair as a party member and a former Templar helped, I think. I feel DA2 overall was just shit at storytelling, especialpy through dialogue (As ironic as it is, with Varric being the storyteller). I understand BioWare had a rushed development time, and I can see they tried to go into more detail into the Mage vs. Templars and Qunari storylines, but they somehow managed do fuck both of them up. I still have no idea what the Qun is or why the Qunari were a threat (even after act 2) and it's almost as if them pumping in Blood Mages left, right and centre is not for plot reasons, but to even it out with Templars being dickheads. Hell, after Act 1 there isn't any real reason (apart from maybe Leandra's Storlyline and a few companion quests) why Hawke should even care whatsoever. They have an estate, the darkspawn threat is gone, they've repaid their debt to Flemeth etc. Unless he/she has some sort of "I must help everyone" state of mind or wants more money, there isnt a realistic reason why Hawke has to get themself further involved. Now, I haven't played enough of Inquisition to see if they flesh it out any further than I've already seen, but at least in my opinion it fills in a lot of the plotholes left by DA2 and cleans up the Mage/Templar problem. With Iron Bull as a follower, he can tell you that the Qun isn't as bad as it sounded during DA2, and though minor problems, I like some parts of the Qun e.g. if you're a woman but want to fight and you have the skill, you are treated as a man by society. That is something other countries in Thedas don't have. Templars now have the added problem of Red Lyrium and they are no longer bound to the Chantry, so I feel it evens it out with the Mages who also seek independence, but have the problem of Blood Magic/Posession, still. The reason you have to care about these parties is because, somehow, Kirkwall set off the Mage Rebellion with Anders blowing up thr Chantry (a slightly far fetched idea, though. Tiny city causes worldwide chaos) and you need one group to help you close the big-ass hole in the sky - both as equally affected by the events in Kirkwall. People dont hate Mages just because they could be Blood Mages anymore. People have their own individual reasons. Vivienne doesn't want mages to be free, she liked how everyone was beforehand. I've found myself caring more about Mages and Templars purely because it's at least better executed than in DA2. They act like their own person, not like everyone in the Mages strictly hates Templars or that Cullen, a past Templar, could potentially be romanced by a Mage, showing he can put aside his differences and despite him being in Kirkwall. The fact that they're more like real people aids in helping you care about each party. Not all Templars are dicks to Mages (or in general) or using Red Lyrium where in DA2 the only Templar who fit this description was Ser Thrask, and not all Mages are interested in rebelling against the Chantry/Templars or using Blood Magic, and I think only Bethany suits that description. Still disapointed that Blood Mage isn't a specialisation though. If I want to be a hypocritical Mage Inquisitor I should be able to, damnit!
@Rosevieenla
7 жыл бұрын
Way late but the entire point is that both are fucked beyond repair. The only good Mages and Templar in DA2 are the ones Hawke murders like an idiot. The whole point is that neither really have the moral high ground. Also Anders blowing up the chantry isn't bad writing it's completely in character Anders is just an idiot
@Caramelhypnose
7 жыл бұрын
Anders did nothing wrong. I'm just sad he didn't tell me the truth, i would have gladly helped him to destroy the chantry. During the 3 episods of dragon age, i considered that the main ennemy is the chantry, and every single choice i made was against it.
@maddiewilliams9377
9 жыл бұрын
Sebastian's reaction good lord 😂
@LordMarvin1993
9 жыл бұрын
The chantry may have some good people but it's a darker place than people think, that and I f*cking hate sebastian... hope we can kill him off and burn starkhaven to the ground
@pinbeo123
9 жыл бұрын
I wish Sebastian was in the Chantry.
@N1CH0_N1N3
6 жыл бұрын
Me too lol
@GenericUsername-qp1ww
5 жыл бұрын
@@N1CH0_N1N3 biggest waste of microsoft points I had ever spent. As someone who hates the Chantry getting a Chantry supporter as a party member was the last thing I wanted
@richyrich6099
9 жыл бұрын
Where was Anders during the fight with the Archdemon?
@TheBrickMasterB
8 жыл бұрын
+Richy Rich Probably running from the Circle or helping the Circle in the battle.
@richyrich6099
8 жыл бұрын
+TheBrickMasterB It was a rhetorical question lol. What I mean is that Anders could have blown the Archdemon to smithereens if he was there.
@TheBrickMasterB
8 жыл бұрын
Richy Rich Well, he needed various ingredients and compounds placed around the Chantry to make it flammable enough. Drakestone and sewage are effectively the in-universe equivalents of sulfur and saltpeter. As powerful as mages can be, I severely doubt that Anders would've been able to do what he did without preparing beforehand.
@aierelle8979
9 жыл бұрын
Mmmm what'ca say.
@Tallacus
9 жыл бұрын
Did Anders scream "Kitten Ahkbar" when he blew up?
@Nidael009
9 жыл бұрын
Oh did I enjoy this scene , the Chantry brought this to itself.Idk why the hate on Anders , for me he is one of the best charatcers in DA2 along with varric and isabela.
@Jmoney32689
8 жыл бұрын
+Daniel Moreno Gil The reason people hate Anders is because he knowingly gave the templars and mages justification to tear Thedas apart. Anders is a damn murderer. He's not a revolutionary. He's a psychotic moron who is willing to inspire nothing in Thedas but anarchy and death, because of a stupid chip on his shoulder. Also, he's the only companion who is willing to actually sell Fenris into slavery because Fenris has justifiable hatred against mages for how they ruined his life. Yeah, the Chantry is bad. No questions asked. But Anders is a fucking monster.
@Caramelhypnose
7 жыл бұрын
he is fighting against the chantry. Every man who fight against religion has my sympathy.
@amazingcynic9709
4 жыл бұрын
He's done more for the people of Kirkwall than any other institution in the city including the chantry and templars.
@amazingcynic9709
4 жыл бұрын
@@davidlastewart6183 i think the poor people and refugees who benefited from his clinic would disagree
@thewarden3554
3 жыл бұрын
@@amazingcynic9709 say that to the poor people who got blown to pieces in the chantry and part of then city. How about the slaughter of mages as well
@SweetNightmareHikari
9 жыл бұрын
I don't see why everyone hates Anders. Yes, he killed innocent people and I don't condone that, but let's stop pretending the circles were going to work forever. Mass prosecution has never worked.
@ObsdnBlck
9 жыл бұрын
If you read the supplementary material, like the novel 'Asunder', it appears to suggest that Anders was right. The novels and such suggest that the existing system was broken beyond repair. As long as the mages remained under the Circle system, it weakened their position, and the Templar's abuses and excesses would continue to get worse, with the Chantry doing nothing to curb them. Nothing was going to improve with compromise. It's clear from that material that the only way meaningful reform would happen would be some action that removed any chance of compromise and left the Mages no choice but to break away. So, while I cannot condone Anders' decisions that cost innocent lives, he was right that peaceful reform was impossible under the Circle system, and that something had to happen to spark an open rebellion in order for their to be any chance of reform.
@ObsdnBlck
9 жыл бұрын
DeathDealer1997 But, things WEREN'T getting better. While Grand Cleric Elthina didn't deserve what happened to her, she was as much a part of the problem as Meredith. She did not get involved when she should have. She could have reigned Meredith in, kept her in line or removed her from her position. She didn't. She sat on her hands while Meredith went increasingly out of control, turning Kirkwall into a Templar-run police state. The problem goes well beyond Meredith. The system itself was broken, and the Chantry was not doing a very good job of reigning in the Templars. The Templars were out of control everywhere, not just Kirkwall, and the Seekers, who were supposed to police the Templars, were just as much a problem as the Templars themselves. The Chantry was too big, and there far too many Templars for the Chantry to give them all proper oversight. The fact that some Circles were so much worse than others shows exactly that. The Seekers were not doing their job controlling the Templars. Divine Justinia was trying to find a way to resolve the conflict peacefully, and in response, the Seekers and Templars broke away. This shows how out of control the Seekers were, and how much the Chantry was disconnected from the problems. After Justinia called a conclave of the Circles to find a peaceful solution, the Templars attack them, and kill a surrendering mage in cold blood. That was the act that sparked the Circles to ALL break away. The Templars were extremists, extremists created by a Chantry that spent 900 years preaching hatred and enslavement of mages. WW1 was sparked off by one man's assassination. World leaders are killed all the time, and they usually don't plunge the whole world into conflict. The war resulted because there was a perfect storm in Europe, all the conditions were there to spark a war the likes of which the world had never seen. Similarly, if the Circle system wasn't broken, then Anders' single act would not have sparked war as it did. A functioning system would have been able to deal with that without bloodshed. The fact that the actions of a single individual could spark such a war shows that all the factors for that war were already in place, that things were already reaching a boiling point. It's an indictment on the system itself. That proved that 'compromise' was not possible. Reform was not possible. The only hope to fix things was to tear down everything, the Chantry, the Templars, the Circle. Tear them all down and rebuild a new system.
@SweetNightmareHikari
9 жыл бұрын
I didn't like Anders in II until I started really listening and reading the novels, like Asunder, and going back and looking at Origins in a new light. Anders was absolutely right about his choice to remove compromise. Compromise created the circles in the first place. Change was only going to come through war, as Inquisition proves if you've played it through. Change never comes easy. That's why the only Hawke I have that killed Anders was my aggressive Hawke romancing Sebastian. All the other ones forgave him, especially my mage Hawke that romanced him. The Grand Cleric didn't deserve her fate, but logically had the chantry been evacuated before the explosion, it wouldn't have had the impact that it did. I wish there had been another way to get the point across, but all other revenues had been tried. In this case, Justice's way was the only way to get things moving.
@AlwaysSomeone
9 жыл бұрын
ras144 Except if you recall, there were people within the Templars that wanted Meredith removed and for the mages to be treated fairly. Templars wanted this. Not the majority of Templars, but it was a sign of changing times. Destroying the Chantry just told the world "Hey, turns out mages are dangerous after all! You should be super scared of us!" That's not progress, that's chaos.
@ObsdnBlck
9 жыл бұрын
DeathDealer1997 Considering the Majority of Templars decided to break away from the Chantry to fight the war, the majority decided to attack a peaceful conclave, the majority went along with the Annulment of the Rivain circle for the 'crime' of the Mages actually seeing their families, it can easily be inferred that the majority of Templars WERE as bad as Meredith. The Templars were fanatics. The Chantry specifically CHOSE candidates for Templars based upon how fanatical they were. Fanaticism and devotion to the Chantry's teachings were the first priority for a Templar candidate, with everything else, like fighting ability, a distant second. This is mentioned in one of the Loading screens in Origins. In Inquisition, if you play a mage Inquisitor and speak to Leliana about her becoming Divine, you have the option of telling her that you think that she should just let the Chantry die. She understands why you feel that way, acknowledging that the Chantry has been responsible for many injustices towards Mages, and that many justifiably hate the Chantry for it. You can then go on to say that the reason people hate and fear mages is because the Chantry TAUGHT them to, a fact that she also acknowledges, and that she hopes the Chantry can lead them on a better path. Meredith, Lord Seeker Lambert, Alrik, and the other Templars are the result of the Chantry's teachings. For 900 years, the Chantry endorsed and justified a system of slavery and subjugation of mages, and fostered that belief in the people they recruited to guard those same mages. Hawke can even point this out in DAII, in one of the discussions with Cullen. Anders's actions showed that. What happened as a result of the Kirkwall cathedral's destruction, the Templars breaking away and declaring a war on the mages, made it plain and undeniable: That the Templars were fanatics who were out of control, that the Chantry was too weak and ineffectual to reign them in, and that the entire system was broken. Change rarely comes easily. In the history of the world, there have been very few non-violent revolutions. Change by it's very nature is painful, chaotic, and usually bloody. Anders showed that the necessary changes could not come to Thedas except through violence, that the system itself was far too dysfunctional for any meaningful reform to happen peacefully.
@angelfire3000
9 жыл бұрын
I killed Anders cuz I didn't want Sebastian to leave my party. He's a badass archer xD lol, though I understand why Anders did what he did but still, committing an act of terrorism to prove a point is madness!
@Caramelhypnose
7 жыл бұрын
i was sad i couldn't just kill Sebastian to prevent him to come back with an army :/
@chriswoo2289
3 жыл бұрын
@@Caramelhypnose when Sebastian threatened to return with an army im just like. "Um ok. Try it and die, dumbass. Or did you miss my lovers light show just now."
@555sarin
9 жыл бұрын
09:16 reason why I will play Dwarf in DA:I right there, btw anyone play it yet? Is it good?
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