Thanks. I am a new technican and will try and follow your advise to learn CW.
@pyt22fr11
Ай бұрын
Thanks for the excellent advice, I fully agree with those recommendations. I am learning for over 5 months now according to these points and, slowly but truly, I do progress. This is an excellent way to go and study, may you be heard.
@SuburbanDon
Ай бұрын
This is pretty good advice. I learned the letters fairy quickly but i never got past 15 wpm because i still visualize some letters in my head. Not good.
@eugenecbell
2 ай бұрын
Great advice. Thank you for this information.
@billuno
2 ай бұрын
Thank you
@Anvilshock
2 ай бұрын
And to exactly nobody's surprise, the Anglophone has absolutely no qualms about not only not pronouncing Koch correctly but also not bothering to find out whether there could be anything wrong with his pronunciation. Koch is a German name. And not just that; it is the German name of a German person. Funny double-standard you have. You say the whole letter in Morse is a sound, even a word is a sound, and ought to be trained as such, not a series of individual short and long noises to reassemble in your head, like the individual strokes on paper that make up letters and words. Funny how that somehow doesn't apply to a name and its sound, and not just any name and its sound but the name and its sound that identifies a particular person. How is that?
@kw4jm699
2 ай бұрын
Haha-thanks for that. I feel your pain. I backpack so I watch a lot of backpacking videos and it galls the heck out of me when people say "Appa-lay-chin" instead of the correct "Appa-latch-in." So I get it.
@stampdealer
Ай бұрын
You seem pleasant. Also, I'm old enough to remember NYC Mayor Ed Koch who pronounced his surname as "Kotch". So maybe lighten up a notch or two, Officer Pronunciation.
@Anvilshock
Ай бұрын
@@stampdealer Nothing wrong with that because it was _that US American NYC Mayor Ed Koch person's_ name, while my remark referred to the _German Dipl. Ing. Ludwig Koch person's_ name. Yes, the pronunciation matters. Try telling an English Robert, a French Robert, and a German Robert apart with only that drawl of yours. Had you read properly what I originally said, you'd have known the difference before you'd set yourself up for failing in trying to outsmart me. Better luck next time.
@stampdealer
Ай бұрын
@@Anvilshock You're on the spectrum, aren't you? Anyway, pronunciation doesn't matter to Ludwig, he's dead. 73!
@wyominglife3202
2 ай бұрын
Great advice. Thanks!
@TiredCitizen
3 ай бұрын
Just interested, nothing special.😅
@oldgeezerproductions
3 ай бұрын
It's been a while since this video was produced and I'm not sure if you still monitor it, but I'll comment anyway. First, I found the suggestions interesting and I plan to pursue them if possible. I "learned" my Morse Code in Radioman A school back in 1967 and looking back, the method used there was absolutely the worst, but it was designed for Naval communications with a resulting hard, printed copy. I learned to repeat the dits and dahs in my conscious mind and then type the letter on a typewriter as I heard them. Looking at the text on the typewriter platen (as I received it) would cause me to completely lose my train and miss a whole string of following characters. I barely made it out of RM A school at the minimum required speed and to this day, I am extremely (extremely) poor at receiving MC. Once on active duty they were going to assign me to a CW net, but I begged so earnestly and sincerely for them not to, they (for once) had pity on me. To this day, I can't listen to MC without repeating the dits and dahs in my head and many times long characters causes me to doubt what it was and then let the next five characters go by, completely losing my place in the message. I have to use a keyboard or pencil and I can't look at the copy until after the transmission of the message. Even at my age now, I would love to be proficient enough to use MC and I have a wonderful (unused) CW QRP radio I built from a kit many, many years ago, but I'm afraid my lack of natural talent together with my unbreakable bad training will continue to doom me. As mentioned, I will follow the suggestions in your video, but if you have any specific ones you think might help, I would very much appreciate it.
@kw4jm699
3 ай бұрын
Great story - thanks. I gather you are a Ham. I encourage you to do something really easy and fun. Listen for contesters who only want to log your call sign and a signal report (599 usually). You can listen to his call several times until you get it right, then chime in with your call when there is an opening. Don't worry if you muff it and have to send your call several times. They want the contact to be a success too so that they can log it. Yes it's big step up from there to "chat" with CW, but it's fun and confidence building simply to get on the air and trade call signs and signal reports. The big secret is that that's what 90% of CW on the radio is! PS: we are probably the same age. I graduated from high school in '67. Thanks for writing. Scott
@oldgeezerproductions
3 ай бұрын
@@kw4jm699Thanks so much for answering my note. I'm a bit older you Scott. I HAD to join the Navy in 1966 to escape from my cruel draft board (not being ready for college out of high school) and so I was older when I went to RM A school. It's a long story about my firm opposition to the killings in Vietnam without claiming to be something I was not, a Conscious Objector. The truth is, I am a "rag chewer" who likes a l o n g QSO where we tell something about ourselves, where we live, what it's like there and maybe even a story. What I'd really like is to be able to maintain a long and informative QSO using the Code. In truth, I absolutely HATE those quickey, exchange call and signal report contacts. I don't know if there is an exercise or SOME method of getting those dots and dashes out on one's brain and just have the letters and/or words "pop up," but perhaps if I (old geezer that I am) haven't got it by now, I never will. Yes, I'm a ham (WA6TLP), been inactive for a long time, but just ordered a multi-band, multi-mode low powered HF radio (G90) and hope to get into doing some mobile and/or portable operation (probably exclusively on SSB, but CW would be great). 73's.
@JohnYoga
4 ай бұрын
Farnsworth method is the absolute best way. I was not aware of this method until about 30 years after being in Ham radio.
@KF0PBP
4 ай бұрын
Than you for your insights. Very helpful
@chasiu75
4 ай бұрын
I have a hard time writing down call signs even in English on SSB. I get confused when they say their call sign and the call sign of who they are taking to. Which call sign is the senders and who's is the recipient? Which one is usually said first?
@kw4jm699
4 ай бұрын
If you are the sender, it's the listener's call sign first followed by yours, with "de" and a space just before yours.
@chasiu75
4 ай бұрын
@@kw4jm699 Thanks!
@bill-2018
5 ай бұрын
I learned at 6 w.p.m. and worked up to probably 15 w.p.m. in 12 weeks for my test at 12 w.p.m. Passed first time. When learning I used a pencil so I could check with the text afterwards. As speed increased I discarded the pencil as I couldn't write fast enough. Listening on air is good too as I did because at some time you will need to listen through QRM, fading and other noises and it helps you to understand the make up of a typical QSO. Words do come over: the, and, they, and so on. Head copy was another stage. Now happy at 18 to 20 w.p.m. and can push 25 reasonably well and some at 30 w.p.m. My question is whether the Koch-Farnsworth method is faster? Could I have learned it in 6 weeks? Not that it matters, I was quite happy with what I did. G4GHB.
@kw4jm699
5 ай бұрын
KF would not be faster. Well done.
@bill-2018
5 ай бұрын
@@kw4jm699 O.K.
@andrewg2355
5 ай бұрын
My question is if you were to learn audibly only, and not visually, wouldn't you have issues down the road with light work or other forms of use?
@kw4jm699
5 ай бұрын
Yes I believe you would. The (unstated) premise of my video was radio work. Good point.
@nealbeach4947
6 ай бұрын
The rest of us learned before computers, phones and aps.
@johnnyv.223
6 ай бұрын
Thank you so much. Great advice! 73 de NM5T
@rsedaker
7 ай бұрын
Great video! Thank you! I. Am starting my very first step today and I am really quite intimidated. I found this helpful
@xq6cs726
10 ай бұрын
Excelente idea para probar algo "practico", se ve entretenido, lo hare apenas pasen las lluvias en este hemisferio. 73 y buenos dx.
@user-jz8hd8yz8g
10 ай бұрын
so lets say i want to be stabbed with a banana as the template scary phrase I simply take that phrase and make recordings of it in different numbers 1 for a or 16 time in a row once so we dont mistake it for the bad suprising one.. then when i finally have a 26 for z and a 36 for 9 or 10 i can noww accociate these numbers to be converted to morse code.. then i re english the message.. no more fear.
@user-jz8hd8yz8g
10 ай бұрын
A project that im authoring is to take all scary phrases and make them at least 16 times in a row made into a spelling version of dashes and dots for example ffoorr eexxaammppllee then i work a way to make the thoughts into a morse code imitation of the same message then i convert it back to english
@rxw5520
10 ай бұрын
Glad I found this, I’m just starting out. I realize now that Morse is not a code, and it’s not a written language, it’s a language that is ONLY SPOKEN. No one ever sits and writes out the lines and dots. The writing (if you do write it out) is English or whatever other language you’re using, you’re translating in your mind from Morse, but never actually writing Morse. It’s only heard and “spoken”, with the key being the voice. Learning the lines and dots is just creating an extra translation, like 1) hearing dahdidit 2) thinking ok dahdidit is long short short or dah dit dit, and 3) ok long short short or dah dit dit is D. That’s double or triple the amount of mental work you need to be doing. D in Morse code is NOT “long short short”, or dah dit dit, it’s the SOUND dahhdidit (spoken quickly) Or bahbudup, or whatever. The spelling is irrelevant cuz it’s not a spelled or written language. “D” is pronounced “dee”, when kids are learning English, you don’t tell them D is pronounced “deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeyyyy”, so why would you tell a Morse beginner that D is pronounced “dah dit dit”? It isn’t. It’s dahdidit (fast). Thanks!!
@Anvilshock
2 ай бұрын
Weeell, you still "draw" or "type" dots and dashes on your keyer. Yes, your hand doesn't hold a pencil and there's no paper or screen to hold copy what you "wrote" or "typed" for you to read back using your eyes, so, it's not a "written" language in the linguistic meaning of the term. It's certainly not a recorded and read language. But with how literal and technical you get beyond the linguistic term, it's literally a written language after all. And not a "spoken" language, either. You don't literally and regularly shout your dahdidits in normal Morse communication, are you? Point is, don't mix literal and technical uses of a word.
@HogRebel
11 ай бұрын
Thank you! 73 de KG5JAW! 😎👍
@davidjewett5758
11 ай бұрын
With all due respect, I believe you're overthinking it. I agree that learning words is a good tactic to raise up your speed (although I've personally never tried it). Otherwise, the best way is to practice, practice, practice, putting down your received characters on a keyboard (you're right about using a pencil - you can't go fast enough). In Tech school, we had a fellow student who could only type at 15WPM, but could copy code at 30WPM. This disparity was actually quite common. One other thing ... CW operators today are accustomed to clean code. But what do you do when you're copy someone who's sending garbage? How do you copy such an operator? (Hint: you know what he's gonna send it before he does). The answer is more and more practice. Good luck!
@EmyN
11 ай бұрын
Thanks for the tips!
@greasylox5767
Жыл бұрын
I like the mag loop in the background, great birdies too....
@reedreamer9518
Жыл бұрын
That was my big mistake, I visualize and then convert the image in my brain to symbols, and for this I can't get past 10 wpm. But how do I reverse this?
@DKD81
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your advice. Very good suggestions here.
@leericelli_w8rnb202
Жыл бұрын
Very nice video. I would only add that Practice makes improvement, so practice practice practice and remember nobody is perfect.
@nunyabiznes33
Жыл бұрын
How do you transition to see morse flash? Reason I wanted to learn Morse is to send messages by flashlight, say for example during emergencies, etc.
@bill-2018
5 ай бұрын
Just do it, learn it. I have a very old brass key I bought on a wooden base with an audio transformer with a 4 pin valve as an oscillator and a torch light bulb socket for practice. G4GHB.
@user-ff6qh8qg5i
Жыл бұрын
satellite phone
@waiyipsin2377
Жыл бұрын
👍👍👍
@Sandman.68.
Жыл бұрын
Perfect timing mate!! Thank you ! 👌 I'm just bout to start 👌👌👌👍👍👍😁😁😁
@VK4QC
Жыл бұрын
I agree it should be audio and not visual but - Why lose the pencil? If you're a radio operator, you need to WRITE the messages down so you can then pass them to a third party! Of course if you're only gonna learn 5NN TU 73 QRZ? then lose the pencil!
@kw4jm699
Жыл бұрын
haha - I get it abt the 5nn! it depends on what you want. My goal was to be conversant, to hear in a relaxed way the same as you hear a friend speak to you, rather than to take letter by letter dictation. I listen to news articles and even books to achieve that. But you're right, you don't have to look at it that way.
@barndweller4573
Жыл бұрын
Thank You That app works pretty good. I started out over 43 years ago in Amateur Radio as a Novice. I struggled with the code. Now I have hearing aids that I can feed the audio in directly and I can hear so much more than I ever did. I am going to take another swing at CW. Its amazing its coming back to me. Thank You for your video! DE K8OCN
@WestCoastMole
Жыл бұрын
I don't agree with the "lose the pencil" point. Yes writing fast is not easy but not a limiting factor up to about 20 WPM. In fact the FCC Administered Code Tests up to 1980 by examining the text of the testee. This included the Extra Class grade CW test. If you couldn't write it down you couldn't pass.
@scottcarter9975
Жыл бұрын
Hello Bob. See my exchange with Peter VK4QC a few days after yours. Thx fer commenting!
@322doug
Жыл бұрын
ok, but i dont own any ios devices, i own all andriod... what programs will work on android? NS9T
@AustrianWoodworker
Жыл бұрын
I use morsemania, its an App and include what ever you recommend
@goofyrulez7914
Жыл бұрын
This is pretty much what Jean Shepherd said.
@wefindwhatwewanttofind9541
Жыл бұрын
Happy to find you Scott
@donwaterhouse9630
Жыл бұрын
You are absolutely correct. I attained my General lic in 1985 or 6. I was copying code at 23 wpm when I took the 13wpm code test and still only got 70percent on the test. But, still passed. So sorry I ever let my lic expire 13 years ago.
@donaldholcomb778
Жыл бұрын
I was trained as an 05b radio telegraph operator at Fort Gordon. Georgia in 1972. I had copied 31 word groups per minute and was working on 33 when I finished my training. They told me I was close to an Army record. The code was coming so fast that I would write another 12 to 15 letters after the code stopped. When I got to my duty station in Germany I was transferred to the M.P.'s and never sent or received code again! Now, 50 years later, I can only remember SOS. I don't have any interest in re-learning the code but I was hoping some of my buddies in that AIT group might see this and contact me.
@edwardgraham2566
Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for your thoughtful and seasoned advice ... you can well imagine that a call sign like N5HH offers a few challenges! 73
@kw4jm699
Жыл бұрын
yikes! a Ditathon! glad you like it. I still enjoy trying to improve. Scott
@ClassicClay104
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the tips! I have recently sparked an interest in cw and i believe these methods will be very useful! 73, KO4MEX
@glenmartin2437
Жыл бұрын
Thank you. That is most helpful. N0QFT
@troy3456789
Жыл бұрын
@05:30 morse mail does not exist at google play for Android
@kw4jm699
Жыл бұрын
It’s now called Morse Email and it’s still available at the App Store. I don’t know about the Android part though. I will try to commo with the developer about that.
@troy3456789
Жыл бұрын
@@kw4jm699 thank you!
@cspahn3221
Жыл бұрын
bless, thank you
@gilbert863
Жыл бұрын
I started learning Morse code 2 weeks ago and I write Morse in 15-16 WPM, but is really difficult for me to understand when listening Morse, any of you got tips for me?
@floridasaltlife
Жыл бұрын
I am studying how before attempting to learn and this video sums up the best of the best of all I have found, Thanks for sharing your tips.
@dhy5342
Жыл бұрын
Your method of learning words instead of letters and losing the pencil might work fine when sending or receiving conversational text, but when I was in the Army in 1963 a good bit of what we learned was pages of coded five-character groups. Completely random groups of letters or numbers. We HAD to write each character as it came; there was no other way. My best was 18 WPM.
@Absynthexx1
Жыл бұрын
Studying for my Tech exam and intend to get into CW. Thanks for the tips from someone who IS going to be starting from zero.
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