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Are Dracothian Guard worth taking as a unit of 2? Or do you just have to reinforce them? Because I know Stormdrakes are pricy, but amy reinforced Dracothian Guard are even more expensive.
@RAWxxx07
11 сағат бұрын
At 2:26:26 they say that lances on Stormdrakes are better. Why are they better? They have only 1 more rend on the charge, otherwise the damage is the same and in the second round of combat without charge they significantly fall off.
@scotthayes7777
3 күн бұрын
Great video.
@mikebridgland7757
3 күн бұрын
Great video, thank you.
@ArmaGGon
3 күн бұрын
Stormkeep: Liberators must be cheaper than vanquishers to be good. GW: proceed to increase vanquishers' cost. Stormkeep: :O
@TheStormkeep
3 күн бұрын
@@ArmaGGon wouldn't be the first time haha
@jonathanharris9717
7 күн бұрын
Guys, we need a list building video. This is edition is wild right now.
@TheStormkeep
6 күн бұрын
List building for Stormcast feels pretty rough right now. Probably worse than it has ever been! The also game feels incredibly imbalanced right now, and it seems like there is going to be an errata/update to resolve things soon. The bigger problem is that the Battletome is coming in September (probably) and it will throw everything out the window. Our list videos are a lot so it doesn't seem worth the time when the video will only be relevant for a month :/ We will definitely make a list video after the battletome is released! I think we will discuss index list building with our next livestream in August
@jonathanharris9717
6 күн бұрын
@@TheStormkeep I makes total sense. I understand the pain and couldn't agree more. There is a lot of balance issues for sure. Gloomspite Gitz is crazy right now. A 20 man squig herd throws 80+ attacks with 3+ 3+ 1R 1D on the charge for around the points of a reinforced Vindictor squad.
@christopherwhaley5655
8 күн бұрын
Thank you for helping clarify some of the confusing parts
@tizianomerello6530
13 күн бұрын
Guys palladors with javelin shoot on enemy when they charged, not when they got charged!:)
@TheStormkeep
13 күн бұрын
@@tizianomerello6530 yup we noticed that after the stream, seems like we misread it initially
@Peter.B.S
13 күн бұрын
QQ where in the core rules can I find the rules that prevents followup fights which would prevent e.g. a Knight Questor or the Lord Terminos from popping the Quicksilver Draught and then point on Soulsworn or Reclusians from fighting immediately, and then fight with my first real unit (my turn)?
@TheStormkeep
13 күн бұрын
@@Peter.B.S after this stream we did some reading into it further, and we found out this interaction does work... but only if specific conditions are met. Check the StormFAQ channel on our discord server for details!
@plazma5343
14 күн бұрын
Great review thanks ! Two remarks : you view every "good" unit as somewhat overcosted, and the few "great/amazing" ones as perfectly costed ^^ I dont recall you guys ever being that biased, so I wonder if its not just that everything is slightly more expensive in the game, or maybe comparing to the legends stuff is what gives you this slightly pessimistic perspective. Also, "like" every third word makes for a very hard listening experience, and at times makes it even outright unpleasant 😢 maybe its because im not a native english speaker though and im not used to "real life" american english, but iv seen other people complain on that topic.
@TheStormkeep
13 күн бұрын
@@plazma5343 sometimes the cost of a unit can completely determine their viability! Units that are difficult to use AND expensive tend to perform poorly even if they have powerful attacks/effects
@michaelhanke188
15 күн бұрын
Hi. I really like your content. It's so helpful for playing SCE. Will there be new tier-list video soon? Imo it's very hard to build a good list for 4th edition. Thx and greeting from Germany
@TheStormkeep
15 күн бұрын
We are working on a large review of the Stormcast Faction pack!
@Dotification
16 күн бұрын
I would like to see a lore video--give it a shot!
@Dotification
16 күн бұрын
Thanks for the video, Paul!
@sammorrison210
16 күн бұрын
What if vigilors had shoot in combat, at a minimum? 🤔
@rotm4447
4 күн бұрын
Vigilors just look fine to me, they have a 3+ save now like all our other dudes which they didn't in 3rd. I even like them in 10s, that's 42 attacks half of which will probably be hittings on 2s. Its actually really efficient combined damage and they're still tanky. They're like Judis with slightly less ranged, for a buff, and much better melee. Like they can actually kill secondary targets in melee.
@Mortechai
16 күн бұрын
I'm gonna comment on this repeated use of "If you're using legends" throughout. No one 'isnt' going to be using the legends stuff, it's official rules and theres nothing in the book preventing their use as well as there being nothing that says they need a special case to include them in all forms of play. If you 'arent using legends' you're willfully ignoring like a solid 40% of our official ruleset for no reason. People will stop using them when their rules go away next summer. tl;dr people have no choice when it comes to their use until next summer. Theres a lot of powerful combos there that if you ignore, you lose, and if you choose not to play against someone using them, well, you lose again.
@ivansanchez6733
16 күн бұрын
When u make the tier pls do it with the non legends unit. Thanks and good video :)
@TheStormkeep
16 күн бұрын
Thank you! When we release our Stormcast Index Review there will be a tier list with all our units, and a tier list without the Legends units being considered.
@mypointofview777
17 күн бұрын
Seraphon!! I beg you 😂
@maximem.ste-marie3578
17 күн бұрын
2:33 : "Honor Guard" ? what is this ?
@TheStormkeep
17 күн бұрын
It's the seasonal special rule found in the Generals Handbook. After deployment you can pick a unit in your general's regiment and give them a special bonus
@maximem.ste-marie3578
17 күн бұрын
1:08:20 : what is that "classic 12 inch drop, hope to get a double and then move up" ?
@maximem.ste-marie3578
17 күн бұрын
32 :34 : what is that trick about redeploy ?
@ivansanchez1328
17 күн бұрын
Thanks for the video. One question, what u see better for a Ionus and dragons list. The army of renow or a normal detachment? Thanks a lot!
@TheStormkeep
17 күн бұрын
@@ivansanchez1328 I think a regular Stormcast army will be more competitive, but if you want to spam dragons then the Skywing is there for you :)
@cameronR1992
17 күн бұрын
You guys know more than me so im sure theres an explanation. I appreciate you say its likely to be errata'd anyway. But does the Lord Imperatent ability definitely stack and not trigger the Rule of One. If not, could you explain why?
@TheStormkeep
17 күн бұрын
The Lord-Imperatant is the unit using the ability, and it does not say Once Per Battle (Army), so each Lord-Imperatant can use Guided By Lightning once per battle.
@CreatorGatorYT
18 күн бұрын
Which unit in SCE shuts of wards entirely? My friend plays Troggs, no correlation of course haha
@TheStormkeep
18 күн бұрын
Knight-Relictors can reduce wards by 1, and the Lord-Castellant can disable them entirely
@CreatorGatorYT
18 күн бұрын
Perfect, thanks!
@000NULL
18 күн бұрын
Played a 2k today vs DoK Lord Imperitant Knight Vexillor Questor Soulsworn 20 Vanquishers Neave & Blacktalons WarLord Vigilant on Drake Knight Vexillor 6 Reclusians Prosecutors Prosecutors Vexillor’s healed over 20 wounds by bottom of 3. Soulsworn and Vanquishers did a lot of work. Vanquishers, being more squishy, are a good candidate to bring back. Neave & the Blacktalons did as much damage as the Vanquishers and Soulsworn. Just for comparison, if you take their points at 360, factor out the included Wizard (120), the cost-to-performance of Neave & Co is 240pts. The weapon profiles don’t look that great at first pass, but it outperforms Questor outside of objectives. The Longstike profile won’t 1-shot a 6-wound hero in one phase, but it will take out one hero in two shooting phases. Their Wizard’s spell is ridiculous for durability, they were constantly in combat and only had one wound end of T3. The “Companions” need a chamber keyword, the Wizard needs to be a (2), and I’d say 360pts is A+ Tier. Lord Vigilant on StarDrake, the “fight twice” ability isn’t worth 210pts, considering you’re using it on Reculsians. Speaking of Ruination units, their ability didn’t activate much against the DoK, or don’t know how to use it right, as it seemed they were never the target of any non-core ability. Prosecutors at 140pts are a solid-B for me, but they help with Synchronized Strikes and their javelins are above average. They have specific targets you want to go after, and ones you want to avoid. Throwing triple sixes on a charge is hilarious though. I don’t think we need more than 1 Calvary or 1 Longstrike. I feel that AOS4 is about managing 200-300pt hammer and anvil units, and if you’re bringing something sub-200 it better be a support unit. FEC seems to play the same. Switch ups: drop Neave, Lord Imperitant and the Lord Vigilant, add in Ionus, Lord Veritant and a Knight Questor? Or Lord Relictor and Longstrikes?
@carlfromchicago6908
20 күн бұрын
Very good. I might have mentioned that 1950 or less gets you an extra command point on turn 1. Also that you can do a one drop or drop the units in a regiment one at a time but then you need to drop them all out and probably no one will do that. Also that heroic traits are not command traits you can put them on a unit that isn’t your general. Unique units can’t take heroic items or artifacts.
@plazma5343
21 күн бұрын
Half the rules on a 2+ or a 3+ is so fucking stupid I dont think I have the start of a reasonnable explanation. Have these game designers EVER play a good game before ? I know I already ranted on that very subject, but in depht look in the new profiles makes it even worse somehow : THIS IS A DESIGN DECISION ?!
@ryanunderwood9090
21 күн бұрын
Are you able to load up multiple warmasters and pick one as your General? And if you can, what's the downsides of doing that?
@TheStormkeep
21 күн бұрын
If you have multiple WARMASTERs you can pick one of them to be your general There doesn't seem to be any pros or cons to that
@Darwingreen5
21 күн бұрын
So, with 0-1 lieutenants, are they 1 per army, or 1 per regiment? Like say I really liked Knight questors and wanted at least 2?
@TheStormkeep
21 күн бұрын
1 per regiment, no limit on how many Exemplars you can use
@Darwingreen5
21 күн бұрын
@@TheStormkeepGood to know, never got to play Oakenbrow (tree heavy Sylvaneth, and was bummed out Tree lords became heroes. But thankfully they became lieutenants so I can still have plenty of trees in my army.
@romul_without_rem
21 күн бұрын
Where can I find seasonal rules for honor guard in general's regiment?
@TheStormkeep
21 күн бұрын
They are in the Generals Handbook, or inside the Skaventide box ...or you can take a peek inside our discord leaky-pipeline channel
@romul_without_rem
21 күн бұрын
@@TheStormkeep thanks a lot)
@Kimtanashino
21 күн бұрын
Thank you !
@middleearthinmiddleengland4265
21 күн бұрын
Thank you for a great short guide to building lists. More short duration guides would be appreciated as they are useful to quickly listen to on focussed topics. More of these please.😊
@banlungx001
21 күн бұрын
from your podcast , i take it that a unit of 6 longstrike with piority target buff is the best thing we have for now right? cause they will also hit on 3+ and not 4+ when they covering fire as well.
@TheStormkeep
21 күн бұрын
Yup 6 Longstrikes in every list
@jarlaxlebanere206
21 күн бұрын
Thanks for this. I feel that Legends seems to be our main / core units, and the fraction pack is just supplementary stuff. Haha. E.g Army consists of 80% legends, but mix in Longstrikes. This kinda of sucks, cuz it feeds into the theory that GW just buffs these units, sucker competitive players in to buy models (clear old stock) that will be obsolete in a year... Hence the solution will be to enjoy the game casually, wait a year for the "new" SCE to emerge, or just switch fractions ....
@TheStormkeep
21 күн бұрын
Our initial impressions were that the Legends stuff is core to the army, but after crunching the numbers it feels more like a sidegrade. Stormcast are definitely playable and strong without any Legends units. The main thing Legends offers is more options for Regiments with heroes like Gavriel and Astreia. Hopefully when they move those units to Legends they will also lighten up some list building restrictions for the rest of the army.
@DaigotsuSoetsu
21 күн бұрын
The Evocators having 2 control is clearly a mistake. I have a feeling a lot of the legends rule units will get points hikes to be unplayable. It feels like both halves of SCE were written by different people that didn't share notes...
@DaigotsuSoetsu
19 күн бұрын
Also re-reading so many of the legends abilities, I'm sure more will get "Once per turn (army)" added on to all the really strong abilities to prevent stacking in an army~
@fireflyzer0177
21 күн бұрын
Great explanation
@jwdalton
21 күн бұрын
I look forward to picking a knight-vexillor as my general and 16 aux units on vindictors. It doesn't matter if the opponent gets an extra CP because I am playing Vindictors. I will always be the underdog and getting those bonuses. Having nothing in the general's regiment shuts down one of the opponents battle tactics. Vindictors are favorite, and first, unit in AOS. I don't think I will ever bring my general out of the sky for a full flavor win.
@TheStormkeep
21 күн бұрын
Based
@cmleibenguth
21 күн бұрын
I mean, you will technically lose your general at end of round 3 automatically But otherwise, lol Creative workaround
@cmleibenguth
21 күн бұрын
Good job, gang :)
@snowyball76
21 күн бұрын
Thanks for the overview! Just getting into AoS with this edition and this was super nice to get a handle on whats up! 48:50 Liberators 52:53 Vanquishers 56:30 Vindictors 59:40 Celestant Prime 1:05:58 Gardus Steel Soul 1:09:55 Knight Arcanum 1:13:43 Knight Draconis 1:16:40 Knight Judicator 1:20:00 Knight Questor 1:22:50 Knight Relictor 1:26:10 Knight Vexillor 1:31:58 Lord Aquilor 1:36:05 Lord Celestant 1:39:08 Lord Celestant on Dracoth 1:41:10 Quick rule talk on Quicksilver Draught 1:44:55 Bastian Carthalos 1:51:50 Lord Imeratant 1:58:18 Lord Relictor 1:58:31 Lord Veritant 2:00:02 Neave and her Companions 2:00:30 Vandus Hammerhand 2:01:33 Yndrasta 2:03:55 Drakesworn Templar 2:06:43 Karazai 2:08:16 Krondys 2:09:28 Lord Celestant on Stardrake 2:11:32 Aetherwings 2:13:05 Annihilators 2:14:39 Gryph-hounds 2:15:25 Annihilators with Meteoric Grandhammers 2:17:10 Dracoth Concussors/Fulminators/Desolators/Tempestors 2:21:12 Praetors 2:22:47 Prosecutors 2:24:28 Stormdrake Guard 2:26:26 Stormstrike Chariot 2:27:53 Vanguard Hunters 2:28:20 Vanguard Pallidors w/ Javelins 2:29:26 Vanguard Pallidors w/ Handaxes 2:31:40 Vanguard Raptors w/ Hurricane Crossbows 2:32:24 Vanguard Raptors w/ Longstrikes 2:36:33 Vigilors 2:39:38 Questor Soulsworn 2:41:12 Lord Vigilant on Gryph Stalker 2:42:59 Lord Terminos 2:43:35 Reclusians 2:44:13 Ionus Cryptborn Not doing legends cause I ain’t buying models I won’t be using in less than a year lol Thanks again for the video! Time to do my job ig
@TheStormkeep
21 күн бұрын
Thanks for the timestamps, you saved me some time!
@Darwingreen5
21 күн бұрын
@@TheStormkeepyou guys really need to pin this.
@TheStormkeep
21 күн бұрын
@@Darwingreen5 I added those timestamps to the description I usually go back and add timestamps once the stream is done processing on KZitem, but snowyball76 beat me to it this time!
@theTemplar08
21 күн бұрын
Very helpful I was completely lost on the adding of heroes to my regements
@000NULL
22 күн бұрын
No underworlds…?
@TheStormkeep
22 күн бұрын
All Underworlds units are now Legends, and not legal for matched play They will get warscrolls next week you can use for casual play
@KnightSquire
22 күн бұрын
Do you have a place where you share list ideas, or have any plans to do list videos, i could do with some inspiration.
@TheStormkeep
22 күн бұрын
We will have some sample lists included with our Faction Pack Review, but we are going to wait until the Battletome is released before we do a full list building video If you want to talk about lists right now then feel free to jump into the server - people are cooking up all sorts of tasty lists in there :)
@Strade8
22 күн бұрын
Where do you find the point cost for the units that are valid for just one year?
@TheStormkeep
22 күн бұрын
Theyre in the same place as the points for our regular units!
@Timbucktoo32
22 күн бұрын
Tier list video! Go...
@TheStormkeep
22 күн бұрын
Working on it ;)
@Michael-ib6ky
22 күн бұрын
yeah, I'm on Knight Arcanum boat myself. Tauralon may be the second coming of Sigmar, but by the time I find and paint one he'll be squatted for good
@assistantref5084
22 күн бұрын
There is absolutely zero chance using multiple lord imperatants to give a unit multiple d3 moves is intended. If someone tried to play it that way against me I think I'd just giggle. If I was a TO I would 100% not allow it. Funnily enough though I'm not sure it is actually all that overpowered. It's so many points.
@TheStormkeep
22 күн бұрын
It certainly doesn't seem like something that is intended, but maybe it is!
@cameronR1992
17 күн бұрын
@TheStormkeep it'd almost be a shame if it gets errata'd out. Seems like about the only way to use Scions of the Storm offensively in a semi-reliable way. I'd happily pay the points to launch that tactical nuke in a casual game. Stack it with Gardus and Thunderhead Host and there's potential for it to be hilariously OTT
@TheStormkeep
17 күн бұрын
@@cameronR1992 I would prefer if it was D6" move but only once per battle (army). Having to stack two Imperatants feels wrong
@daze226
22 күн бұрын
A note about the retreat + teleport for Vanguard units - the 5.3 'Rule of One' rule says that a unit cannot use more than one CORE ability per phase. The teleport is a CORE ability, as is the retreat move. So you couldn't retreat out of combat and then teleport.
@TheStormkeep
22 күн бұрын
Vanguard Wing is used by the player, not the unit!
@daze226
22 күн бұрын
@@TheStormkeep Could you please explain that further?
@TheStormkeep
22 күн бұрын
@@daze226 If an ability is not on a warscroll, and does not specify who uses the ability, then the ability is used by the player. Each unit can use one CORE ability per phase. Since the unit is not using Vanguard Wing they can still use a CORE ability like Move or Retreat
@daze226
21 күн бұрын
@@TheStormkeep awesome that’s good to know! Love your content btw many thanks for all the good work👌 Also I missed that you actually cover this a bit at 26:00. Appreciate the replies and learning all the same
@Timbucktoo32
22 күн бұрын
Everyone turn down your speakers at 1:38:00. Jack shows up
@rubenjuddhardy835
22 күн бұрын
Loving it. I started following last year and it’s been fun listening to you guys. Keep up the good work.
@myabi
22 күн бұрын
I think I missed something, where does the 3D6 charge from from with Lord-Imperatant?
@TheStormkeep
22 күн бұрын
Imperatant gives you a D3 move after coming in from reserves, and you get a "3 dice drop lowest" charge with Gavriel
@myabi
22 күн бұрын
@@TheStormkeep Thank you so much for explaining! First time Stormcast here - will have the Dominion Half + Skaventide half to start my collection with so trying to make sense of it all.
@TheStormkeep
22 күн бұрын
@@myabi There's a lot to learn, we've got a deep bench! Hopefully our upcoming videos like the Faction Pack Review will help
@randykeeling1916
23 күн бұрын
How are multiple Lord-Imperatants using their Guide By Lightning in the same turn? Does that not conflict with rule 5.3 The Rules of One?
@randykeeling1916
23 күн бұрын
Oh I see, its not a passive I guess. That'll be FAQ'd for sure.
@TheStormkeep
22 күн бұрын
@@randykeeling1916 It will probably get errata'd... but maybe not!
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