this game doesn't give a single fuck for pokemon fan, they only dick for money.
@GuNStArHeRo212
3 күн бұрын
The guy who trains his Pokémon all on his own with no hacks deserves all the credit. Ban all the people that use hacked Pokémon. Nintendo didn’t think you nerds would go this far 😂
@Himbayo
6 күн бұрын
Defending cheaters is crazy.... people like you are ruining videogames. Maybe just add "genning" to the vgc game. But as long as that isnt the case, this video is just advocating for cheating
@J725_6
10 күн бұрын
Solution: Pokemon Stadium 3
@xenmysterious5062
10 күн бұрын
Genning is cheating in a competitive sense. The difficulty in getting 'powerful' Pokémon is literally apart of it. Why do you think there not just doing it stadium style. . ? They want you to use Pokémon you at least vaguely trained. Or had someone else train in the case of trading. I love Pokémon vids with genned mons. Its funny and entertaining. In competitive. . ? Nah. Not gonna stick.
@BridgetGX
11 күн бұрын
To me, cheating would be giving Pokemon impossible stats or moves they're not supposed to have. If a software generates Pokemon that are statistically legal, I don't think that should be considered a problem. I don't have that kind of time or patience, which is why I only play on Showdown where I can just throw together what I want with a few clicks.
@Kiribandit
11 күн бұрын
As long as you ensure your team is 100% possible to get (excluding time constraints) in the current generation of pokemon, then i say cheating is fine. Just as long as your team can exist, go for it, the time and money requirements for the actual grind is unreasonably hard.
@MapleLeavesInAutumn
15 күн бұрын
7:10 You are mixing footage from more than 15 years ago while if I understand correctly you complaining about generation 9 VGS. I can say that building a full competitive team in scarlet and violet takes not even 5% of this 60 hours you mentioning. I feel the problem about this topic is that in the first place, back in 2009 and such, gening pokemon was pretty much mandatory (everyone did and I did too), and there is people that don't want to admit that. And on the other hand, today, gening a team, is actually cheating because it is hyper accessible as far as you know what you are doing and no one should get this unfair advantage since it is not needed at all.
@venus.4047
16 күн бұрын
I wouldn’t want my legal team going up against mod Pokémon. This community is biased and the game company is right with this one 😅.
@icewaterk
16 күн бұрын
so you’re OK with people cheating and genning Pokémon alright got it
@zabouza146
20 күн бұрын
Nintendo should create a rental system for pokemons where you don’t actually own th pokemon if you don’t grind it but you can pick items ivs, evs and movesets however you can’t bring it to your boxes. This would still keep the I grinded to get a specific pokemon while giving no real reason to hack pokemons in unless you do have malicious intent. I mean Sword and Shield does that in a very limited way in dynamax adventures. Rental Pokemons with fully customizable movesets Ivs and Evs would also expand on the experimental aspects of the game and let you try out things you wouldn’t otherwise. And like I said you can’t bring it to your boxes or trade it meaning it doesn’t rob people of the effort they can put in. Oh and maybe you could add that they can’t be nicknamed shiny or marked but that might be a stretch.
@kevand2898
22 күн бұрын
I know I'm super late but here's my take. Is it gatekeeping that it takes time and effort to get a perfect team or is it gatekeeping if you need to have a perfect team to compete? If there was no option to gen pokemon, one of two things would happen. Either less people would play because of the time commitments OR people would just play with suboptimal builds. The latter outcome actually makes it's more accessible to new players because the overall power level of the meta would be lower. Gatekeeping is needing perfect IV legendaries that people with less resources can't get. But thousands of them exist unnaturally. I don't think paying someone to build your team is cheating because trading is a core aspect of game play. That's just another trade. I honestly don't even like vgc and wish there was a official singles format. I built my team for an even before too but yeah it's a lot of work and it's not really fun BUT it's the kind of grind that is respectable because the games are designed to make getting perfect Pokemon difficult to obtain. But at the time, the format is so complex I get it. I wish it wasn't necessary bottom line
@BasicSub
22 күн бұрын
You break the rules but aren't cheating is the biggest copium vgc players tell themselves.
@celloj3703
23 күн бұрын
“Cheating” is not playing by the rules of the game. People who “hack” their Pokémon (most of the time) are just using the Pokémon Showdown team builder, and are still playing by the same rules as everyone else. I’ve done competitive Pokémon breeding and even THAT was tedious as hell, so I can’t imagine how it would feel to try and get a perfect IV legendary/mythical Pokémon and getting the right moves on them and whatnot
@dorkenspache8353
23 күн бұрын
I find the first tweet you showed funny because this guy is trying to say TPC is at fault because they sprung a hack check on his team that he wasn't prepared for and got caught cheating. Like no, you're the one breaking the rules of the tournament dude. You're upset you got caught, what TPC did wasn't unfair. If they released how they were doing hack checks every single time before the tournament, hackers would just try to find a way to skirt around it. Making it a surprise is not only well within their rights, but is a great strategy for cracking down on cheating
@jmablazer
27 күн бұрын
I don't think they'll ever make VGC accessible in the way we want because in the end, Pokemon wants to make money, so to make the games more VGC accessible would be to invalidate potential purchases of Pokemon games that have Pokemon not in Scarlet/Violet.
@dorkenspache8353
23 күн бұрын
It doesn't actually matter how accessible they make it. They could introduce an IV reducing item and make all VGC legal legendary Pokemon available in the newest game without DLC and people would STILL cheat. It doesn't matter how many improvements Gamefreak and TPC make to their games, cheating will still be faster to do than making your team legit. So to me, blaming TPC for not making games "accessible" feels more like an excuse so that cheaters who are doing it to be dicks can continue to cheat.
@joshuaturner4602
27 күн бұрын
So i am just started and i will say the useage of "cheating " with the quotes included seems disingenuous. Pokemon gets to decide the rules of their tournament and it seems perfectly fair to conclude that breaking the established rules of a competition for a competitive advantage is cheating. You want to run your own tournament series with blackjack and genned pokemon go ahead. But to say "oh no i got caught breaking the rules for a competitive advantage but i am not cheating" seems stupid.
@StarsShatteredBeyond
24 күн бұрын
True nobody cares if some 9 yo hack in a Urshifu to play with their friends, but this is the OFFICAL tournament, and these people are grown adults
@youtubecruiser6819
Ай бұрын
People should just switch to pokemon showdown until nintendo makes it easier. Pay to win is bullcrap. Nintendo don't want to just give those pokemon because money.
@dorkenspache8353
23 күн бұрын
Learn to trade with casual players instead of complaining about it being "pay to win." Chances are someone who can't afford the previous games also can't afford travel costs to go to these in person events either, so really the "pay to win" argument is also bad faith
@mankeyproductions9109
Ай бұрын
I like how gamefreak has been making efforts to make competitive pokemon more accessible, though. Bottle caps, ability capsules and patches, mints, removing the vitamin cap. Very welcome changes. All they gotta add now is a broken bottle cap that floors ivs. Putting some of these behind pay walls, though, is not such a welcome change.
@chococroc5298
Ай бұрын
I 100% agree. Nintendo did this same thing shutting down pm, the greatest love letter to smash ever created because we “weren’t having fun correctly”
@iLikeTheColorBvlue
Ай бұрын
I am happy that the game is more balanced that it once was rn.
@rapto1090
Ай бұрын
Exclaiming things like "If you are a competitive player why aren't you huying every version of the game" is euther such a privileged or naïve mindset. What you're essentially admitting is that money is just as equal a factor to compete, if not as equal than NECESSARY, just to compete against other players "officially". I don't remember having to buy Mortal Kombat 1 on the PS5 and XBOX and PC just to compete. And if you want to nitpick that its different consoles then whatever alright. My main point is that its privileged in so the fact that people sometimes just don't have the money, or don't WANT to spend the money just to play the game at a competitive level. Is that really such a bad thing? Privileged to just say "dude, did you have enough money in what should be a skill based competition? No? then you can fuck off". Naive to think competitive players want the game to be this way. I haven't even mentioned the genuine time it takes to make the team. It is unnecessary at best and predatory at worst to have to buy everything. And yea GameFreak is a company, they want to make money, but if nothing is talked about or backlash isn't given they'll just keep doing shit like this. When was it so wrong to make it fair for all players that don't have the money to buy every goddamn thing?
@rapto1090
Ай бұрын
Ever heard of Gabe? His comment was on pirating, but I think this would work as well. Hacked pokemon is a service problem, but ALSO a money problem. (I know he didn't say that but its along the lines). If a program is making it easier (but in this case it may genuinely be referred to as POSSIBLE) to compete in the championship, the programs service is more valuable. And it is. From every angle. And guess what. Id say the overwhelming majority of competitive players don't want to cheat.
@Chaka2413
Ай бұрын
in any sport if you dont want to put the time to grind out the basics you should not be able to compete.
@marcoruttnig1477
27 күн бұрын
So you are saying every basketball player should make their own shoes?
@Chaka2413
27 күн бұрын
@@marcoruttnig1477how are those two thing comparable? The nba player can play with any shoe and still be good even barefoot. The vgc player can’t play unless they have hacked pokemon because it takes too long….
@marcoruttnig1477
27 күн бұрын
@@Chaka2413 and the good pokemon play can win regardless if they are hacked or not it doesnt matter
@Chaka2413
21 күн бұрын
@@marcoruttnig1477 but if a sport says that’s not ok and some one still breaks the rules it’s cheating. It’s literally black and white.
@marcoruttnig1477
21 күн бұрын
@@Chaka2413 I think it just should not be a rule. They can just give you the pokemon.
@pearallax
Ай бұрын
people who disagree with this don’t play competitive pokémon
@theredknight9314
18 күн бұрын
I do. I put in the effort because im an honest man.
@BigPogger
Ай бұрын
Honestly the whole IV mechanic is really stupid for a competitive game. Why not just disble the IVs in pvp matches just like the bag items are disabled?
@zearcjustice7837
Ай бұрын
nintendo dont really care about anything beside the actual pokemon games , aka the "main line" series .Anything else is just a lost leaders and they have ALOT of them
@Rix.p
Ай бұрын
I mean, ultimately hacking/genning Pokemon is cheating. While I don’t believe it gives an in game advantage it does provide certain advantages. I don’t think that time investment is a good argument. When trying to become good at any competitive game you are making an inherit choice to dedicate your time to be good at the game. Someone who doesn’t gen/ hack is at a disadvantage when adapting to the meta because nothing is faster than spending than just genning. When bringing up a money that someone would have to dedicate it is no different than a person having to buy equipment in a regular sport, or someone having to buy cards to play a competitive tcg. Ultimately it is down to the Pokemon company, and they said they would ban people so it’s hard to be sad for them when it happens. A warning was given and it was followed through on.
@Dadbot
Ай бұрын
1:00 same. I don’t like mobas. I like controlling and being a pokemon in action. It’s fun. When I’m playing I don’t see it like I’m playing a moba. I see it like I’m playing a pokemon game and that’s far more enjoyable
@eeveewithcoffee9554
Ай бұрын
Honestly I would love to play tournaments for VGC but I just do not have what it takes to build a team in game. I only play battles on Showdown
@user-gu9wt5sc5p
Ай бұрын
A lot of the issues discussed are not exclusive to Pokemon Unite or even MOBAs but the free-to-play model of video games. The power creep and blatant extortion, while morally dubious, do ultimately make sense; share holders and investors take out their investments when it is at a peak and need to be able to re-invest the money elsewhere, so the short term profit margins are beneficial for those people who have great sway in the direction of the game. They are also, however, crucial for the funding of the final product and development after that and so must exist. This culminates in there having to be people who generally lack common interest with the community due to simple mathematics and probability. It is unfortunate but nobody has found a better solution yet from what I know of.
@austin6773
Ай бұрын
You can make all of the logical comparisons you want but at the end of the day competitive pokemon is essentially gear based and your skill isnt the only factor in the competition its about HOW WELL YOU MAKE YOUR TEAM. So for example im sure theres MLG for games like Diablo or idk anything where having your levels, stats and gear all sorted out before competiting. If those people can just give themselves the best items, stats, give themselves the highest level and then win a pvp tournament those people are cheating. Why would it be different for pokemon? If you play with fake, Genned, or hacked pokemon your cheating and you dont deserve to compete. Most people only thinking about winning but how you get your win matters too and im glad they have finally started banning people, long over due.
@Yureno8995
Ай бұрын
The thing is tho everyone is going for the perfect mon. Perfect EV´s, IV´s, natures, items, moves and whatever else there is. If use a hacking software or if you use the in game way everyone is going for the perfect mon. Even if no one cheated going for a non perfect mon is putting yourself in a worse state. It is not abput the quality of mons but how you get mons of that quality. Every pokemon is limited to the same level, max IV´s, EV´s and everything in VGC. It is just about how you get them. No one is going into VGC with 8 moves and a level 100 pokemon in a level 50 format. Hackers get mons which you could get in game but without the mindless grind for it. I see your point but cheating in VGC is just getting the perfect mon without grinding for it. No one is showing uo to a torunament with suboptimal mons. Cheating or not.
@sugarytofficial
Ай бұрын
a year later, unite is about to feel better then ever
@Mewzardian
Ай бұрын
I play top 1000 master ball, this video speaks to me.
@Joaogab29
Ай бұрын
I agree that the process to get good pokemon is absurd, they should change the game or the rules, but if they say the rules now are that no hacked Pokémon are accepted then anyone who used them should be banned because that would be punishing the one that follows the rules
@Joaogab29
Ай бұрын
I agree that the process to get good pokemon is absurd, they should change the game or the rules, but if they say the rules now are that no hacked Pokémon are accepted then anyone who used them should be banned because that would be punishing the one that follows the rules
@dorkenspache8353
23 күн бұрын
Nintendo in general bans the use of hacking tools on their games, it's literally against the terms of service for their games. In most cases though, they don't enforce this TOS because even they understand an individual using hacking stuff on old games/roms for their own personal pleasure with no monetary incentive isn't a bad thing. However, when you factor in the cash prizes VGC Tournaments have PLUS the cost of even traveling to these places, you're basically stealing money if you were to use hacking software to make your team which is part of the reason why the use of hacking is banned. The problem around the accessibility argument is that it is being used to come to the wrong conclusions and being made by people who don't actually have to deal with the accessibility issues. The highest level players and players with the most world championship titles in their belt literally do have every game and buy every game, so there's no issue of accessibility for them minus a few specific cases (eg. Trick Room Enamorus), but then they use the argument of accessibility in order to actually justify genning as a necessary evil. Meanwhile they also fail to consider the possibility of someone who doesn't have access to these cheating software meaning now THEY are at a disadvantage because they have to spend more time finding people with access to those Pokemon anyway, meaning genning doesn't actually solve the problem of accessibility in Pokemon. I used to think this way that trying to get a good competitive team was super time intensive, but you could easily whip out a good team now with the only final barrier being an IV reducing mechanic. Thst's literally the only thing they could add to make getting competitive Pokemon easiest without just straight up adding in a genning location or mechanic into the game, which at that point would defeat the entire purpose of the game
@xxo5294
Ай бұрын
This is like saying it’s unrealistic to put in the work to be in a bodybuilding competition so just make it easier and take steroids lol. Would we call that cheating? Iono but it don’t seem about right
@Bas_Brand
Ай бұрын
As someone who is only a casual single player enjoyer of Pokémon games, but actively plays fighting games, I didn't even know the whole tedious team building was part of competitive Pokémon. I thought it was all handled like Pokémon Showdown or similarly. Now, I get it, because raising the pokémon yourself in a legit way, is in line with the narrative of the Pokémon world and that is pretty cool and I see why they would organise it this way, as the franchise owners. But then, you should really have harsh punishments and tests for cheaters or allow it, or have two seperate leagues. It's a bit similar to the topic of steroids in sports. We know everyone is doing it and we know people still train and compete just as hard with them as they would without. The problem is a system that incentivises its use yet punishes said use without room for alternative approaches or actually disincentivizing "cheating" intelligently EDIT: Should have read the addendum in the comments lol. The steroid comparison does hold water imo, because basically every competitive athlete is using performance enhancers, both legal and illegal. It's just a matter of who can avoid getting caught through connections, money or other means. Which really isnt in the spirit of sportsmanship. Some people would say "neither is taking performance enhancers" and yes, true, if only a few would take them, not basically everyone.
@SunShaymin
2 ай бұрын
Slowbro is the reason I’m still playing Pokemon unite
@QuantumYuri
2 ай бұрын
That chess analogy really hits the mark 👏
@bazzam429
2 ай бұрын
I dont understand if the movsets are normally and not crazy, i dont see the issue. I have used action replays in the past to change event pokemons nicknames, since the OT was GMESTOP or WIN2011, I love nicknaming my mons so should i be punished for bringing a "modded" pokemon to a tournament in the future? I dont see the advantage that cheating even gives a player, ig time but most people are testing teams on showdown while building a team so i dont think its a time advantage.
@Yakz619
2 ай бұрын
Totally agree you should be able to play just generate Pokémon to play competitively. The game isn’t who has more time on their hand but rather mental battle. I will say this though. You are a Pokémon TRAINER. You gotta train your Pokémon and this is why they prob won’t allow hacked Pokémon.
@rudyrodo7940
2 ай бұрын
The game is much more balanced rn as of july 2024 b4 ho oh, the problem now is all the bad players running rampant, i only solo rank im at 5500 rank games with 54.2 Wr(rank only) which in any other game would be pretty good, but in this game where i see everyone with a negative wr, 54% is so fckng rare for a solo player. This is why i struggle alot since most players are awful or newer they kinda put the really good players in unfair matches, sure i beat there highest mmr player pretty easily, but their 2-5 is so much more skilled than mine, and on top of that every time without fail our lowest mmr always want to call mid (the guy at the end with the 46% wr) they end losing the 3v2 advantage and the game is over, in the 1st minute, getting rid of bot matches in rank would fix so many problems, players wouldnt be able to climb to rank so easily, and there ego wouldnt be inflated after beating on bots, but yeah they wont do it oh well
@scorpioen3d427
2 ай бұрын
I have to disagree with the people saying that they should make an official pokemon showdown of sorts. Because, yes, it will save time and money to the VGC players, but will kill the smogon community. Because if they make that kind of game, they'll probably shut down showdown for copyright infringement. And when they make that game, it will be switch exclusive and require a switch online subscription, which a good portion of smogon players don't have because they don't really need it. Gamefreak should just add a battle simulator in the actual game, where you can make your own pokemon and just say it is a simulation or VR training in game (it being exclusively the oficcial competitive format, of course). That way, you don't disturb the smogon community, the VGC players doesn't need to buy a new game and everyone is happy. Or that's what I think.
@thomaslangford5039
2 ай бұрын
When building a full legit team takes 2 hours with a legal 6 I've ditto its crazy cheating is still being pushed the better way for laziness
@tiantian42
2 ай бұрын
Fun Fact: The strongest held items in that game is your "Credit Card, Debit Card and E-wallet".
@Boxfanowner
2 ай бұрын
Ceruledge.
@BoleDaPole
2 ай бұрын
This seems like cope. If it's against the rules it's cheating, no way around it. If you don't like the rules then don't play the game and petition for a change but don't ruin the fun of legitimate players simply because you don't have the time needed to compete.
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