After 105 days of fighting, the Winter War is over. And with that, the second big conflict within the scope of our series is over (the first being the Invasion of Poland). At least, for now. While the Finns evacuate the taken territories, the Allied and the Germans are planning all sorts of stuff, mainly regarding Norway. Who know's how that's going to play out. We'll just have to wait and see I guess. *RULES OF CONDUCT* STAY CIVIL AND POLITE we will delete any comments with personal insults, or attacks. AVOID PARTISAN POLITICS AS FAR AS YOU CAN we reserve the right to cut off vitriolic debates. HATE SPEECH IN ANY DIRECTION will lead to a ban. RACISM, XENOPHOBIA, OR SLAMMING OF MINORITIES will lead to an immediate ban. PARTISAN REVISIONISM, ESPECIALLY HOLOCAUST AND HOLODOMOR DENIAL will lead to an immediate ban.
@marcusbierman5310
5 жыл бұрын
I think Vyborg(Viipuri) would be a great place for an episode on the road when you get round to doing them.
@WorldWarTwo
5 жыл бұрын
@@marcusbierman5310 We'd love to visit Vyborg and the old Mannerheim line. But there are lots of places we want to see and right now we don't have the resources to go anywhere at all. Hopefully in the future!
@marcusbierman5310
5 жыл бұрын
@World War Two I know episodes on the road are far in the future. Viipuri & the Mannerheim line kind of reminded me of Przemyśl from TGW as it is lesser known, but mentioned a lot in the show.
@randomdoomgun5525
5 жыл бұрын
Who composed the music used in the videos? And is it available anywhere by itself? It's seriously amazing.
@andresmartinezramos7513
5 жыл бұрын
The Soviets finnish a Costly Winter War
@runevverhartvig6340
5 жыл бұрын
We’ve reached a point, where 50% of the Patreon budget goes to Indy’s outrageous phone bills! 😉
@TheAngelOfDeath01
5 жыл бұрын
Hahaha! One must then hope he doesn't use "YouSee". But hey, at least Indy doesn't have to pay for roaming!
@HistoryMatters
5 жыл бұрын
Calling 1940 can't exactly be cheap to be fair.
@NormanMStewart
5 жыл бұрын
@@HistoryMatters Unless it's a local call. Maybe.
@runevverhartvig6340
5 жыл бұрын
History Matters true, but fortunately they have a dedicated enough audience! 😁
@11Kralle
5 жыл бұрын
The "Reichstelephonführer" will look into it...
@dbzfanexwarbrady
5 жыл бұрын
Molotov's response sounds alot like an EU4 game with another Human
@moreaumond2356
5 жыл бұрын
*Form a coalition against Soviet Union*
@bomschhofmann1644
5 жыл бұрын
@@moreaumond2356 0.001% Agressiv Expension per province, no coalition possible Also: Russian Manpower on 0, and they just have 1 Star Generals
@theonlylauri
5 жыл бұрын
@@moreaumond2356 Fortunately for them, Nazi Germany racked up such ridiculous amounts of Aggressive Expansion, that they got to join a coalition instead of being targeted by it.
@vatonage1599
5 жыл бұрын
@@לעזאזלעםגוביידן Molotov activated a mod when no one was looking
@zmajooov
5 жыл бұрын
that was always my favorite response when someone attempted to weasel out of terms once it became apparent they lost: i could achieve 100% warscore if you wish, however, these terms will no longer apply.
@CHAR0N_19
5 жыл бұрын
"Such a nation has earned the right to live."
@ukkomies100
5 жыл бұрын
Citizen Hoplite miscellaneous Wars with vikings and Swedes throughout 300-1030. Even Vikings were beaten as told in the saga of Olaf Haraldson. In 1030, Swedes fought for 80 years to eradicate a certain group of finns Russian chronicles indicate there were several conflicts between Novgorod and the Finnic tribes from the 11th or 12th century to the early 13th century. Crusades The Great Northern War (1700-1721) Finnish war 1808-1809 Krimean war of 1853-56 where even the British and the french killed finns and bombed coastal cities Russian opression (tough there were good periods) throughout the 19th century And then the Civil war of 1918 And only after that the winter war, the continuation war and the lapland war. When have never ”Chilled” for too long. Just so you know. That baptism had probably been given by all the struggle and famine before baptism was even invented
@teemup9247
3 жыл бұрын
@@ukkomies100 Missed Swedish empire period beforw great northen war. Finns made up about 1/3 of Swedish armies.
@ann-catherinemorner7499
Жыл бұрын
@@ukkomies100Dear, you need to brush up your Swedish-Finnish history. Yes, Swedes made a crusade to baptise Finns, but in the 13th century. It didn't 'take' very well, since even at that time, many Swedes were still luke-warm christians. 1030 is when Harald Hardrule, 15 at the time, fled Norway. No war with Finland, which was considered part of Svea Rike. The coasts of Finland have had an ethnic Swedish population since the ice melted. Genetics confirm this.
@ann-catherinemorner7499
Жыл бұрын
@@teemup9247Indeed. They were greatly feared. Haaka pellää, Soumalainen poika.
@FrazzP
5 жыл бұрын
I own a small box that my father (Who btw was one of those 450k Finns that had to leave their homes, at the age of one, im 19 he's now 80) rescued from a dumpster that contains the medals of a Finnish soldier and a small newspaper cutout. The text still makes me emotional: "Our beloved corporal of the reserve Teuvo Kalervo Sihvola born 26.10.1913 in Hollola, sacrificed his young and beautiful life for sacred values while falling in battle as a hero on the Karelian Isthmus the 13th of March 1940. We bless your bright memory." Your Father, your sisters and brothers. Loved ones and friends. It ends with a poem. "No bitterness, only a deep longing. You Teuvo, sacrificed your all for the Fatherland. 13.3.1940 was the day the war ended.
@FrazzP
5 жыл бұрын
Of all the warring nations in Europe during the second World War, Finland suffered the smallest civilian casualties at "only" 2,000. The army fulfilled its first and foremost duty which exists even today: To protect the people.
@GingaGirl2000
5 жыл бұрын
My grandfather is from Karelia as well, he was born in 1936. His family also went back home during the Continuation War, so they left twice. He actually has a few younger siblings, and two of them are named Taisto and Rauha. My greatgrandmother told my grandma, her daughter-in-law, that when Taisto was born - just before the Winter War- the war began, and when Rauha was born - right as the Continuation War was ending - the peace came. :D The other day I also noticed that on the plaque on the wall in our school that has the names and dates of both birth and death of those who died in the wars, one of them had also died on the 13th of March. That really must have been awful for the family. :[
@Lttlemoi
5 жыл бұрын
Half an hour to a quarter before the peace came into effect, the red army launched a last massive artillery barrage killing hundreds of Finns. Chances are that man died then.
@trumpjongun8831
5 жыл бұрын
@@GingaGirl2000 My grandfather is also from Karelia, Suojärvi, born in 1938. Can't even imagine how hard it was to him to lose home in -44 at age of 6 and month earlier his father died in last battles.
@Pique147
5 жыл бұрын
@@Wallyworld30 At 60, never waste a hard-on, and never trust a fart!
@jonbaxter2254
5 жыл бұрын
Mannerheim's speech gave me chills. The rage in it.
@henriikkak2091
5 жыл бұрын
Rage?
@timomastosalo
4 жыл бұрын
It's a speech of a tested soldier who has come through a risky war against a superior enemy. It has the hardened, steely resolve of a forged sword. It's not raging, or cocky - but there's aggression there for us who live in a peaceful era. But it's more like a tested steel resolve, unyielding will: threat in don't test us, but not threatening as in wanting to conquer. There's the anger of someone who has been wronged, yet the satisfaction to go for peace - alert peace. And fatherly fondness of his troops. And so it was heard, and appreciated for decades. I think still that kind of man would be elected for the presidency with a landslide. I'm not saying he would be the best choice for that Office. But I have hard time in finding a more suited man for the Chief of the Defence Forces. Maybe not the best for the Chief of General Staff - there are likely many better generals for offencive campaigns. Nor was he without his faults. But what he achieved with what he'd got, is top level Service. With a sense of humanity kept - showing his fatehrly fondness for his 'boys'.
@andrewfreiji4647
4 жыл бұрын
Mannerheim didn't hate the russians. He was a general in the russian army before the revolution and in fact was trained in st. Petersburg, a city he really liked. He hated communists, which the soviet union was, and wanted finland to be an independent, democratically run nation. I have a lot of respect for mannerheim. During the continuation war, he didn't allow finnish forces to intercept society supplies and rations crossing lake ladogo to go to leningrad, which the germans were trying to starve into annihilation. The finnish forces could've very well intercepted or shelled those convoys of trucks, but he refused to partake in that. He simply wanted finland to be free, and commanded them very well on doing so. Was he angry, I'm sure. But at the same time, given that he served in prior conflicts (Russo Japanese war, ww1, finnish civil war), he remained very level headed. And he paid respects to the dead of both sides.
@WandererRTF
5 жыл бұрын
Something fairly prophetic took place when the Finnish President was signing the mandate for the negotiators to agree with the Soviet demands. President Kallio stated that (paraphrasing the Bible) that 'may the hand which signs this paper wither'. During the summer of 1940 he suffered a stroke which paralyzed that very hand (well, the whole arm). Few months later in November 1940 he died. Other things to keep in mind. Finland stayed on the war or emergency footing after the Winter War. This has an effect on how the Finland was run, namely allowing the executive branch more powers - and it did really have an impact on what was to follow. Also Finland began immediately to construct new defensive line at the border (and had Nordic volunteers helping with that construction) named 'Salpa' (~ 'bolt' or 'lock'). It ended up being far stronger than Mannerheim line especially in its more vulnerable southern end. It was designed with artillery in mind and incorporated lessons learned from the Winter War and used concepts like the defense in depth which had been mostly lacking from the Mannerheim line.
@TheRomanRuler
5 жыл бұрын
Salpa line is interesting. At the beginning of Soviet offensive in 1944 they had demanded unconditional surrender of Finland. After the offensive, they settled for negotiated peace (but still at heavy cost to Finland). Both Finns and Soviets knew how hard Finns had fought. And they had not yet even fought at strongest Finnish defensive line, Salpa line. Salpa line was easily stronger than famous Mannerheim line, which was never real fortified defensive line. Not to mention all the equipment which had been kept in reserve for defense of Salpa line, such as Panzerfausts for example. In summer of 1944 Finland used only 3900 panzerfausts, and had 21 912 in reserve. Despite never seeing action, line served it's purpose well. It provided some much needed psychological relief for Finnish defenders (who knew how large nation they were fighting against - and western powers helped them) and discouraged Soviets from full invasion. This allowed Finland to achieve what no axis nations achieved: negotiated peace instead of unconditional surrender. It certainly was right decision to agree to even harsh peace terms, Finland would have been overrun eventually. In fact front was close to collapse when peace treaty was signed. But if it would have been fight to the bitter end, it still would have been costly for Soviets. It is also interesting to note that Finnish defence forces secretly maintained Salpa line all the way until 1980s. It no longer fulfilled any strategic purpose as static defenses had become obsolete, but if there are Finnish soldiers near that line, even today it still provides them better cover and is bigger obstacle for enemy to overcome.
@bootymane9907
5 жыл бұрын
@@TheRomanRuler I don't get the notion that today hard defensive lines are useless they really aren't. If there is a break through on a hardened line less troops have to move position to contain it and pressure on the rest of the front during these breakthroughs is less severe puts less stress on the front. Also they are extremely helpful at keeping breakthroughs from happening in the first place. Walls are still very useful and serve a good purpose to defenders in skyrocketing enemy casualties.
@bootymane9907
5 жыл бұрын
@OttovonEarth The Maginot Line was not useless as it forced Germany to invade the Benelux bringing more casulties to Germany and hampering their war machine. Also if you can maintain air superiority and keep AA guns at hardpoints paratroopers are useless. If you leave no gaps in your line overall a fortline forces a larger enemy to attack entrenched personelle and personelle in forts. Wont they just shell these forts you may say yes of course they will. But every single shell that hits concrete is one that could have been used against an open field of men or a machine gun/artillery emplacement. Leading to more logistical headache. Also even after the forts have fallen the enemy will be forced to push through this concrete rubble which will hamper tanks and vehicles. And the reinforcements will be able to fight from bullet resustant rubble dugouts instead of in open fiwld or trenches where you can more easily get hit with mortar or artillery fire its also much easier to construct improvised defenses with the rubble and its much easier to rebuild the defenses in areas than make new defenses. Also as the enemy is shelling and shooting at you your forces are shooting and shelling back so they take losses as well and they arent attacking from a fortified position. Also instead of distributing your tanks around evenly and using them as support vehicles as france did. You can make divisions of armor so that when a breakthrough occurs you can bare down on the attackers who will be smaller less equipped and getting attacked from its left and right flanks with your tanks in large numbers. So yes I guess if your enemy has a bunch of trained good paratroopers completely uncontested air superiority an inexhaustible amount of ammunition and manpower then fort lines wont save you but hell what will at that point.
@bootymane9907
5 жыл бұрын
@OttovonEarth Also I will say that nowadays fortlines are even more useful as you can equip the ljne with infrared targetting meaning they cant be snuck up on by large camoflauge guns like the Soviets did to beat the Finns.
@bootymane9907
5 жыл бұрын
@OttovonEarth I dont really know what that had to do with what we were debating earlier but whatever I think if you can maintain air superiority and equip your forts and hardpoints with AA and ground weapons with infrared targetting it may be expensive butbit will be basically impenetrable and for an enemy to break it would require a remarkably quick, violent, and sudden charge that would inevitably lose possibly millions of men before it even started denting the defenses in a major way. This may be expensive to maintain but would be a great deterrent against an aggressive enemy and if they did attack unless they are a country like China with the industrial capacity of like 10 Chinas and Americas combined they are screwed. Cause you will need many men and must be able to equip new men over and over and over.
@ivantsolov6459
5 жыл бұрын
"With Molotov cocktail in hand No fear of their tanks Death or glory"
@paradoxless5596
5 жыл бұрын
"Rise, nation's pride! Hold what's yours! Strike'em where it hurts! Fight! Hold your ground! Winter war! Reinforce the line!"
@naukkarais
5 жыл бұрын
"A slice of a knife to a throat And their blood turns to ice Talvisota!"
@aw6794
5 жыл бұрын
“Rise of nation's pride !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. Russians on a route to ruin Kreml is more then certain to win Sent away an army to the west Blizzard reigned the ground were chosen Snow was deep and hell were frozen Stalin were too eager to invade He thought of the might he possessed And not of his foe RAGE OF WINTER Rise, Nations Pride! Hold whats yours ! Strike ’em were it hurts Fight, hold your ground! Winter war ! Reinforce the line Split them into small divisions Rip ’em of the conquest visions Motti tactics used with great result Snipers move unseen in snowfall Force them to retreat and recall Fight the Russian rule and their demand With Molotov cocktail in hand No fear of their tanks Death or glory A slice of a knife to a throat And their blood turns to ice TALVISOTA!”
@vasakvasa2929
5 жыл бұрын
@@aw6794 death or glory? Well it seems you choose retreat and surrender.
@riesa85
5 жыл бұрын
@@vasakvasa2929 Nope, it's called live to fight another day. And if I'm not wrong my birthplace says Kokkola, Suomi, not Kokkola, Bitch of the Soviet pigs... I know you are brainwashed about WW2 so I'm not personally offended by your comments, but I will not like you as long as my blood flows! My parents used so scold my childhood playing with: Ole hiljaa! Pidät enemmän ääntä ku sata ryssää!! Google that shit!
@IudiciumInfernalum
5 жыл бұрын
Imagine being a survivor of the Winter War and hearing your general say those words. Powerful stuff.
@jirikivaari
5 жыл бұрын
I think Aarne Juutilainen ("Marokon Kauhu") once said that the Finnish Winter War was the most inhumane war he had witnessed and said his experience on French Foreign Legion wars was nothing compared to that. Having done my conscription in Finnish army I always wondered how could anyone fight a war in these conditions. The people (on either side) have been through literal hell.
@mikitz
5 жыл бұрын
The Finnish army sure taught me the concept of 'hell freezing over'. It's not about who dodges the most bullets, it's about which ones will be the last to turn into icicles...
@lesliefranklin1870
4 жыл бұрын
Most Finns disliked killing the Soviet troops. However, it was necessary evil to keep their country.
@brendo1143
5 жыл бұрын
In english HQ Soldier - Sir, Germans are getting more agressive, what should we do? Commander - drop leaflets, we need to show Germans that Hitler is baddie Soldier - where should we drop them. Berlin, Hamburg? Commander - dRop ThEm aT WArsAw
@Huuhailija
5 жыл бұрын
My grandfather was a child when they evacuated from Karelia, they lived in Kuolemajärvi near Viipuri. They had 6 brothers total in the family, where 4 of them died during winter and continuation war defending their home. My grandfather passed away 2 years ago at the age of 82 peacefully in their home, but his brothers paid the ultimate price for which me and every finn are eternally grateful.
@trumpjongun8831
5 жыл бұрын
My grandfather was 6 when they evacuated from Suojärvi Karelia, and month earlier his father died in last battles. Can't even imagine how hard it was to him.
@ajappinen1007
3 жыл бұрын
no perkele! mun suku on lähtösin kuolemajärveltä
@ann-catherinemorner7499
Жыл бұрын
My father, born 1927, had several older cousins who went to fight in Finland. Not all came home. I understand your pain.
@LunaianTheDark
5 жыл бұрын
My granpa, born in - 35, is from a small village north of Viipuri. He does remember when they were evacuated from their homestead despite he was only 4 at the time. They did return there, though only for a year or two. Grandpa loves to tell all kind of old stuff and I'm really interested to listen especially if it has something to do with wartime. Once he, his brothers and some other kids from the village found a soviet soldier's skull and kicked it around. Their moms were not amused and most of the boys got a beating for disrespecting the dead. One other time this same mischievous group found a unexploded soviet bomb and one of the boys got a brilliant idea of getting a hammer and starting to beat that bomb with it... I bet you can guess what happened. That boy's remains were all over the place, even hanging from trees according to my granpa. Luckily the other boys were smart enough to keep their distance and no one else got hurt. He had seen quite a bit of grim stuff that not many kid, or adult, can stomach. Especially nowadays. Besides seeing his friend explode to pieces, granpa has been helping to drag maggot-dripping soviet corpses from a lake to be buried. Wasn't exactly fun stuff and I can believe that.
@Mcquiz95
3 жыл бұрын
Oof rough stuff, my grandma knows a man who had his legs blown off as a kid by an exploded bomb/mine in what must've been the 50s or 60s in Pärnumaa and he had to crawl back home/for help with just his arms.
@HoH
5 жыл бұрын
The actual detail of the Japanese invasion of China and the subsequent puppet government set up under Wang Jingwei has been a mystery to me. This series has been the spark I needed to put my curiosity into action. I bought multiple books and got to reading not just about China during WW2, but Chinese history as a whole. Thanks for being that spark.
@longy221
5 жыл бұрын
I can highly recommend listening to Dan Carlin's "Supernova in the East" podcast. It tries to explain Japan's history from the Meiji restoration to the end of the pacific war, with mostly a focus on the military history. Currently there are two parts released, but they cover everything up to the attack on pearl harbor.
@HoH
5 жыл бұрын
@@longy221 Amazing, thanks for the recommendation! I am nearly finished with Spence's Search for Modern China and a 25-hour lecture series by Professor Richard Baum on Chinese history. Japan is on the shortlist once I finish the other books I have on China!
@tagheuerwoods6241
4 жыл бұрын
That escalated quickly haha
@LethalJizzle
18 күн бұрын
@@HoHI know its been 5 years, but if you never got around to checking out Supernova in the East, make sure you do. It's epic.
@dr.lyleevans6915
4 жыл бұрын
The most realistic and involving war movie I’ve ever had the pleasure to witness is “The Unknown Soldier” (2017; there were 2 older versions as well of which I have not seen). Although it mostly runs through the “Continuation War” which came directly after this conflict (“The Winter War”), in which Finland regains territory lost during this first conflict. It is surprisingly accurate, especially for a large-scale movie project. Certainly worth a watch for any movie and/or war buff. I’ve yet to find a higher quality depiction of realism, quality, immersion, historical/operational/tactical/interpersonal accuracy in this format (nor any other). Amazing movie. Give it a shot. Prepare to read subtitles though. Scenes are available on KZitem is you’d like an example of how awesome, especially the battle scenes, are.
@pauldehart744
3 жыл бұрын
I just watched "The Unknown Soldier" on Netflix last week. Very good movie about the Fin's part of that war.
@bavtie1
3 жыл бұрын
First shot of tuntematon sotilas: lakes and forests First line in tuntematon sotilas: "Saatana perkele helvet" It's... pretty clear you're watching a Finnish movie quickly. But yea, fantastic war movie for sure! Amongst my favorites
@somalinetflix3533
Жыл бұрын
I watched 2021 on youtube realy one of the best ww2 movies
@rhysgriffiths3544
5 жыл бұрын
As another week passes without any actual action in the West, I'm starting to understand how civilians and soilders felt about the "phony war"
@Yora21
5 жыл бұрын
It's been half a year!
@WandererRTF
5 жыл бұрын
@Hunter D True, it really depends on the viewpoint. It has been rather surprising for me that some people seem to think that the 'Phoney War' would have been term referring to the all of the WW II events at that time. I have always understood the 'Phoney War' to refer solely to the inaction of the troops in France during that period.
@WorldWarTwo
5 жыл бұрын
Cool and thanks for the link, but I think that the fact that we filled over 6 months of weekly episodes already proves that the phoney war is a myth.
@1invag
4 жыл бұрын
Everyone moaning about the phoney war till your entire family shipped back home in coffins Haha bring back the phoney war they cry. This shit cost 75 million people their lives. And for what, so arse holes like us can talk shit about the people involved on the internet 70 years later... like were experts cos we read a damn book. *Sips tea while running hot bath and putting spider man pyjamas on* yeah we for real aight
@hscollier
4 жыл бұрын
Okay, that did it. The videos on The Winter War pushed me over the edge. It was a part of the war I knew almost nothing about other than a couple of dates, but found every video captivating and informative. I HAD to become a patron to support what I’ve come to enjoy more than any other content online.
@WorldWarTwo
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much!
@Sarek1a
5 жыл бұрын
The Winter War lasted for 105 days of honour. My grandfather fought at Muolaa and Summa regions and wounded seriously defending our independence at Vyborg cemetary on March 12th, just the day before the peace treaty was signed. He was operated several times to get the biggest shrapnels out of his body and continued to fight in the Continuation war surviving that too despite of some very close calls. What is interesting to note, he felt no hate but pity towards the soviet soldiers he fought despite of getting severely wounded and almost killed several times by the enemy.
@efz629
5 жыл бұрын
Piikeli says: "hanska pitää!".
@elforeigner3260
5 жыл бұрын
The Finnish and Polish examples prove that in spite of western promises and treaties you’re on your own
@indy_go_blue6048
5 жыл бұрын
Don't forget the betrayal of Czechoslovakia.
@paloman95
5 жыл бұрын
Exactly. This is one reason why Finland is still not a part of NATO. Article 5 makes for good asswipe when swords are actually drawn. We do not want to become someone else's battleground, once again.
@VisualdelightPro
3 жыл бұрын
@@paloman95 I support Finland not part of the Disgusting Terrorist NATo.
@Kidderman2210
3 жыл бұрын
@@VisualdelightPro Intresting that you think that Nato are "disgusting terrorists" - I suppose you think Stalin and Molotov were good guys?
@Kidderman2210
3 жыл бұрын
@otto Lincoln Are you folks still sore because First Class ripped off Sibelius' Fifth symphony?
@Valdagast
5 жыл бұрын
The Allies offer all possible support, short of actual help.
@Edax_Royeaux
5 жыл бұрын
Fighting the Axis and the Comintern at the same time is a daunting prospect.
@averagejoeschmoe9186
5 жыл бұрын
Much llike how Poland was promised aid the minute Germany would declare war, what happened? The Brits and frogs stood by and let the Germans and later the red army conquer the Place, what is to learn from this? Never trust the Western powers, they only care for themselves, which is why wrong side won ww2.
@Valdagast
5 жыл бұрын
@@averagejoeschmoe9186 On the other hand, the western powers didn't commit genocide. That puts them a pin or two above Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia in my book.
@Valdagast
5 жыл бұрын
@keith moore Well, I don't agree.
@MrHrKaidoOjamaaVKJV
5 жыл бұрын
Very True! Such is exactly why the Finns,Estonians, Latvians and Lithuanians do Not trust the West " Allies" which will stab them in the back are all talk and No Action..
@calebsmith254
5 жыл бұрын
Am I the only that cried realizing how much Finland sacrificed for autonimity? This is the bravest war story I have heard. All the love to Finland! ❤❤
@SteelyBud
5 жыл бұрын
After I began reading and learning about the Winter War, I developed such a great admiration for Finland. Seldom have I loved a people I've never met so much.
@chicagolugan
2 жыл бұрын
I only wish the Baltic nations had joined in in their struggle for In dependence
@Gradius6
2 жыл бұрын
How the British intervention in Finland would have likely played out: Britain: "Sweden, let us through!" Sweden: "No." Britain: "Oh. Well, sorry, Finns. You're on your own."
@dilbosaggings2805
5 жыл бұрын
When Indy read the Mannerhaims speech i almost started crying. Greetings from Finland
@WorldWarTwo
5 жыл бұрын
Greetings from Bavaria!
@TheBooklyBreakdown
4 жыл бұрын
@@WorldWarTwo You said you were Dutch/Swedish in a prior comment when a guy remarked you were German, well I guess it depends how long you've been living there
@WorldWarTwo
4 жыл бұрын
MondoManDevout we are a dozen people from half a dozen countries - Indy is from the US, but lives in Sweden. We record this in Bavaria, Germany.
@meph2214
5 жыл бұрын
Mannerheim's speech part gave me the goosebumps, nice one Indy :)
@JJuhu
5 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: My great great grandparents & their siblings gave away 7 ranches to the people who evacuated from Karelia
@JJuhu
5 жыл бұрын
@@erikkr.r.m7380 oh crikey, you're right
@vksasdgaming9472
4 жыл бұрын
I don't think it was voluntary, but it still was noble/pragmatic deed.
@genekelly8467
3 жыл бұрын
In Krushchev's memoirs, be stated that "we may have lost as many as a million lives". No accurate numbers were ever released by the USSR.
@markreetz1001
4 жыл бұрын
I am quite humbled by Indy & Spartacus & the rest. I used to think I had a fairly good grasp of WWII. Oh, not that I'm a scholar of the era, but certainly more knowledgeable than the average person. For example, I always considered the Finns as sort of a puppet of Nazi Germany. However, this series has shown that to be not only wrong, but ridiculously wrong. The Finns only got involved with Germany after every country in Northern Europe either turned their backs on them or outright deceived them. And if they were allied with Germany, they would not likely be in a war with the Soviets at that time. I'm not saying Finland is beyond reproach but I understand it much better now. Long Live Finland! Amazing series!
@TheNismo777
3 жыл бұрын
Thank u for understanding :)
@henriikkak2091
Жыл бұрын
Finland paid massive reparations. When is Russia, the self-proclaimed successor of the Soviet Union going to pay for allying with the Nazis, starting WWII in Europe, occupying Eastern European countries, and ethnically cleansing them? Never because the rules aren't the same for small countries and European empires.
@CONTACTLIGHTTOMMY
5 жыл бұрын
My grandfather left Finland for the USA in 1906. When the Soviets invaded, he wanted to take his boys and go fight. My grandmother wouldn't let him go. All 6 of my Finn/American uncles saw combat in the US Army and Navy.
@WorldWarTwo
5 жыл бұрын
That's a great story.
@CONTACTLIGHTTOMMY
5 жыл бұрын
@@WorldWarTwo ----- My grandfather never intended to emigrate in 1906...he was just chaperoning his younger sister from Finland to her betrothed in South Dakota. He wound up doing some gold mining in the Black Hills, struck it moderately rich, and bought a farm in SD. So goes the flowchart of ones life.
@Marauder623
4 жыл бұрын
As a British person. While i understand that going against the USSR is suicidal. I find it disgraceful that we would promise Finland something that would never actually be sent.
@TheNismo777
3 жыл бұрын
May that haunt brits thousand eternitys. Don't worry, just a friendly way to tell thank u for not keeping a promise. ^^
@seneca983
5 жыл бұрын
"with temperatures as low as -40 degrees" You didn't say if that's -40 degrees Celcius or degrees Fahrenheit. Oh wait, those are the same.
@Losrandir
4 жыл бұрын
Indy's more clever than he looks!
@danpos1971
4 жыл бұрын
The Winter War is one of the most interesting wars I have studied. I have read William Trotters book "A Frozen Hell" a couple times. Excellent book! There is a few movies about the Winter War that are also excellent. My favorite is the 1989 movie called "Talvisota". William Trotter helped in the making of that movie. I also collect Finnish rifles from that time period. I love to shoot them in the Canadian winter. Once again, great episode! Thank you!
@AatiNiiranen
4 жыл бұрын
Have you seen the unknown soldier? It tells about the winter/continuation war
@danpos1971
4 жыл бұрын
@@AatiNiiranen Yes, I bought the Blu Ray. Excellent movie! It's about the Continuation War. The movie you want to see about the Winter War is called "Talvisota" Another Excellent movie that I bought. And... one you have to watch, called "Tali-Ihantala 1944" It shows how the Finns managed to stop the Russians at the end of the Continuation War. All are excellent films! I suggest you buy them all. If you buy Talvisota, be certain to buy the three hour version. I also collect Finnish rifles. I have a beautiful M39, and Tikka M91 that is in great condition.
@keithgoh123
5 жыл бұрын
The Finns have truly won our hearts.
@chrisleo841
4 жыл бұрын
USSR IS FUCKING PIGS
@mammuchan8923
4 жыл бұрын
Truly 💜
@randomchannel-ze2cw
4 жыл бұрын
gonna say something im 16 25 % swedish 25 % russian 25% finland bullied my whole life stared at called many many names and only reason was your wrong bloodline so no ussr isnt pigs what i have seen its finland people dont fucking say things you have no clue of knowing
@villek3722
3 жыл бұрын
@@randomchannel-ze2cw what are youbtalking about?
@chrislfc2317
3 жыл бұрын
@@randomchannel-ze2cw ????
@firstname4476
5 жыл бұрын
God I really do love a good underdog story , the finish soldiers did their people proud .
@bthanbeethan5590
5 жыл бұрын
Moment of silence for the brave Finns
@AlexanderCCXXII
5 жыл бұрын
F
@Solaxe
5 жыл бұрын
AlexanderCCXXII please stop with this shit spam meme
@AlexanderCCXXII
5 жыл бұрын
@@Solaxe No.
@teukka623
5 жыл бұрын
Solaxe S f
@cmdrgarbage1895
4 жыл бұрын
@@AlexanderCCXXII F
@telewiza
5 жыл бұрын
I live in a small village in Finland. It is a Finnish tradition to go at the night of 24 december visit the graves of the beloved ones who passed away. The busiest place is the war hero cemetery. Because everybody has lost a grandfather, uncle or cousin in this war. Btw allmost all soldiers who died came back to the village where they lived, and were buried there in the war hero cemetery. Voluneers (the lotta's) were doing good work so it was even possible to send their boys back in that good shape that their family could say their last goodbye.
@TheBoxh34d
5 жыл бұрын
Sweden and the Allies are having a race to see who can help Finland the least, and it's a photo finish
@DaDunge
5 жыл бұрын
Sweden sent a lot of "volounteers" raised a lot of money and the Swedish military sold the volunteers equipment from their own. Essentially they abused every loophole to do as much as possible without inuring the wrath of the soviets, while the allies did absolutely nothing.
@MrEzuli
5 жыл бұрын
@@DaDunge you could say that the Swedish did all they could, while Sweden (the government) sat on each others thumbs and sold steel happily to whoever might buy it.
@DaDunge
5 жыл бұрын
@@MrEzuli Sweden did stuff too like I said they sold equipment from their armoury at price.
@minuteman4199
5 жыл бұрын
It's interesting to think how the war would have been different if Britain went to war against the Soviet Union. Maybe they would have been allies of Germany instead of enemies.
@pellejoens7886
5 жыл бұрын
@@MrEzuli Sweden did what most countries did. It looked to their own interests. Sweden had the luck to succeed to stay out of the war. Nearly every small country wanted to stay out of the war including Finland. Sweden didn't want to have a war against the allied being allied to Germany on Swedish soil because of a allied lie to Finland. That said Sweden was the big winner of the Winter-war. Because how it ended and when it ended Sweden had the luck not to become a fighting part of WWII. And that what Swedish government and people wanted at that time. Norway was not that lucky but they tried.
@Guaguadeath
5 жыл бұрын
Absolutely love this series man. So damn fascinating as all of WW II and WWI is to me. thanks for making such a great documentary of history keep up the good work Indy and crew! Also The phone memes in the comments are just getting better and better lol
@thelastjohnwayne
4 жыл бұрын
To me World War 2 is one of the most interesting topics ever. You could study it your entire life and only scratch the surface.
@hidof9598
2 жыл бұрын
Indeed So deep and full of secrets Even now, new things are being discovered
@supervegito2277
2 жыл бұрын
I know a little of what my own country did in 1940... but the build up with Poland and now Finland really makes me understand the why a bit more... cant wait to get to episode 32.
@ari1234a
5 жыл бұрын
All i want to say is... Kollaa Kesti, from December 7, 1939 to March 13, 1940. One of the Finn defenders in Kollaa was Simo Häyhä .
@CONTACTLIGHTTOMMY
5 жыл бұрын
Disgraceful how the LON and Western powers sat on their hands as Finland scratched and clawed to survive. Very proud of my Finnish ancestors who fought the good fight...against a tyranny every bit as monstrous as the Nazi.
@MrTwotimess
2 жыл бұрын
The Allies sat on their hands, making empty promises, just like they did with Poland. Politics is a treacherous business.
@CruelDwarf
5 жыл бұрын
Another thing I want to add - 48 thousand dead was official Soviet number for the casualties in the Winter war. Modern official number (via work of special commission under military historian and colonel general Krivosheev) is 71 thousand killed or died during medical evacuations, 16 thousand died in hospitals from wounds and diseases and 39 thousands were MIA. Total irrecoverable casualties - 126 875.
@tupamas
5 жыл бұрын
Sometimes i find disgusting the insisting of playing up or down the amount of human casualties for the sake of fitting the narrative that one wants to upkeep. To downplay the numbers of own casualties and exaggerate opposite sides casualties is to dehumanize and devalue the genuine human beings that lost their lives after struggling against hellish conditions both mental and physical. I don't think killing a ton of people is any sort of great victory or accomplishment, but a tragedy that it even occurred in the first place. At the same time i see a sort of appalling apathy, as if people were looking at stock market prizes when arguing about the holocaust or the gulags for example.
@Francis5795
5 жыл бұрын
From the memoir of Marshall Mannerheim: "The people of Finland have shown that a united nation, small though it may be, can develop unprecedented fighting power, and thus withstand the most formidable ordeals that destiny brings... By closing ranks at the moment of peril, the people of Finland have earned for themselves the right to continue to live their own independent lives, within the family of free peoples!" - Fire and Ice: The Winter War of Finland and Russia (2006)
@TheOneAndOnlyLewis
5 жыл бұрын
I am super addicted to these episodes, I've just caught up after binging all the previous.
@ryanbishop3967
5 жыл бұрын
You'll get used to it
@WorldWarTwo
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks! There's a lot of good videos coming up!
@lesliefranklin1870
4 жыл бұрын
Mannerheim's speech to thank the Swedish volunteers is very moving too.
4 жыл бұрын
Here's link to english subtitled version if people who read this comment want to see it: kzitem.info/news/bejne/p3lny2V4goCFh4I
@scottaznavourian3720
2 жыл бұрын
'They drop bombs we only drop leaflets' Guess they don't know how deadly paper cuts can be...
@theonlylauri
5 жыл бұрын
Soviet Union finished the war by firing an intense hour-long artillery barrage supplemented by bombers, inflicting hundreds of casualties on Finnish troops who were just beginning to relax and congratulate themselves for having survived the war. It was petty, vindictive, and nicely capped the shit sandwich they'd fed to Finland. It's not like Finns needed any extra assistance in creating an epic grudge, but hey, A for effort, USSR.
@MIKE_THE_BRUMMIE
4 жыл бұрын
Didn't get the memo I guess.
@bigboizism
4 жыл бұрын
theonlylauri that’s what we call a chad move
@Ttavoc
4 жыл бұрын
Stalin died from intracerebral hemorrhage which may be at least some kind of justice. Symptoms are intense headaches up to unconsciousness from pain, fever, seizures, vomiting and pissing and shitting yourself for days and weeks. He could have been rescued but his own people had so much fear of getting shot for disturbing him that they dont looked for him for nearly a day after he had a stroke. He got the victim of his own terror. When they found him he was fully conscious but laying in his own urin and shit, unable to move or speak. A well deserved, painful death for a monster in disguise of a human
@aabens
4 жыл бұрын
@@bigboizism More like that's what we call a virgin move
@ilmatar6608
3 жыл бұрын
@@Ttavoc Agreed
@Johnny-Thunder
2 жыл бұрын
I would like to point out a translation error in the title: the title in Dutch that I'm seeing now is: 'De Sovjets voltooien een kostelijke Winter Oorlog'. Now 'kostelijke' may sound a lot like 'costly', but it actually means 'jolly' or 'amusing'. So what it says is 'The Soviets are ending a jolly Winter War', which I think can't be the intend...
@Jay-zt1pq
5 жыл бұрын
🇫🇮 Has officially one 1-upped sparta
@amutah8063
5 жыл бұрын
It was really David vs Goliath. Much respect to Finland.
@abdehammid5183
2 жыл бұрын
The finns have earned my everlasting respect
@kgreen9650
5 жыл бұрын
This is very good, thanks.
@Procket12
5 жыл бұрын
It's some consolation that after it was apparent that Stalin wouldn't keep his word about Eastern Europe, Molotov had a meeting with Truman on April 23, 1945 and as soon has he walked into the Oval Office, Truman started using every four letter word there was and every insult under the sun against him. Truman described it as, "in words of one syllable". Molotov retorted, saying that "I have never been talked to like that in my life." Truman's response was, "Keep your promises and you won't be." Molotov stormed out in a huff.
@tyttiMK
5 жыл бұрын
Stalin breaking promises, who would have guessed?! After all he had been breaking almost(?) every promise he had made since the 1920s, one must have been an idiot to believe him in the first place...
@mebsrea
5 жыл бұрын
For an “accidental” President, Truman turned out to be one of the best and shrewdest ever.
@dongilleo9743
4 жыл бұрын
It's too bad FDR lived as long as he did. On the other hand, his vice president before Truman was a full on Stalin/Soviet Union loving socialist. The world is lucky Roosevelt replaced him with Truman when he ran for a fourth term, and then died just a few months later.
@hidof9598
2 жыл бұрын
That's badass Wanna hear all the words
@tkors1423
4 жыл бұрын
Cant wait for continuation war
@mikajokunen411
5 жыл бұрын
"Yuri Kilin, a Russian historian who has specialised in Russian-Finnish conflicts, has attempted to get a clearer picture of the losses of the Soviet Union for the Winter War. He started a project, Russo-Finnish War 1939-1940, alongside Veronika Kilina, with the main aim of helping relatives find their lost. Starting with an initial 168,024 irretrievable losses, they managed to correct the number down to 138,551 dead. They also matched up the places names and corrected those that had been misidentified. Adding these to the sanitary losses of 264,904, we are given a total casualty figure of 403,455. " Gives a more precise number on the casualties on the Russian side.
@andmos1001
4 жыл бұрын
mika jokunen Rule of warfare part 4: never mess with the Finns
@genekelly8467
4 жыл бұрын
In his memoirs, Krushchev states that "we may have lost as many as a million lives". I doubt we will ever know the truth, since all casualties were state secrets. Stalin also concealed losses by forcing to classifying the MIAs as "transferred to Siberia". Stalin's Russia was a web of lies and falsehoods-what could you expect of a man who murdered millions of his own soldiers-telling his underlings "I want a list of 100 names every night..for execution".
@PrimevalDemon
2 жыл бұрын
Oh jesus -40⁰?! That's nightmarish!
@Postidemoni
Жыл бұрын
I've been into -35C and It was tolerable for few minutes, although my car wouldn't warm up... (Started though without heating. ;)) Should've made some shields for radiator.
@randomlyentertaining8287
4 жыл бұрын
The Winter War was the epitome of the David vs Goliath story. When the smaller kid retaliated against the playground bully and gave him a solid punch right in the face and while that kid would still be knocked to the ground, that bully would never forget the black eye he was given by the kid a fraction of his size. No matter what, I can simply not bring myself to blame Finland for taking the Nazis' side in WW2. Should we really expect them to side with the people who made false and empty promises to them and in the end, left them out to suffer and die at the hand of an enemy as brutal as the Nazis? A group who's only reason for publicly promising support to Finland was to violate the sovereignty and neutrality of not one but two separate countries so as to strike a blow against their own enemy? It's also not like they knew everything we know now. For what mattered to them, the West had betrayed them and the Soviets had bullied them and while Nazi Germany may not have helped either, atleast they didn't promise help that they had no intention of supplying or taken advantage of their position after the war. Finland, your country's brave resistance against overwhelming odds is in keeping with the highest standards of the American spirit of "I will resist until I am no more" and I would be more than glad to travel to your country and defend it alongside you if the need ever arose again. May that offer never need to be acted upon. Voitto ja kunnia Suomen isänmaalle!
@angusmacdonald7187
3 жыл бұрын
I have a friend whose father (Norwegian) came from Trondheim. He was a young teen during WWII and was a spotter for the resistance. He survived, although many people in his team did not. After the war, he planted about 300 trees to hide the scars of war ... then he moved to the USA to get away from any reminders of that war.
@equarg
5 жыл бұрын
Respect to Finland. The West really screwed them over. Finland may of been small, and at a huge disadvantage. But they put up one Hell of a fight. No wonder you guys produced the worlds greatest sniper and the man who served in 3 armies!
@VisualdelightPro
3 жыл бұрын
Törnï
@anushamurthy5430
5 жыл бұрын
What a country, Finland!!
@jhpv89
5 жыл бұрын
There's no way the official KIA toll of 48000 can be true. That alone would barely even account the soviet divisions destroyed north of lake ladoga and at suomussalmi/raate road where they were pretty thoroughly wiped out with few prisoners taken. And then there's still the losses at the karelian isthmus, kollaa, salla and various other fronts to add to the toll...
@lukealdridge9346
5 жыл бұрын
Indeed. If those numbers were true Simo Hayha would have killed over 1.5% of the invading force
@trumpjongun8831
5 жыл бұрын
True. It's typical Soviet propaganda.
@manumainio
5 жыл бұрын
Modern day estimates(deaths only) Finland ~29k USSR ~ 120-250k
@legalvampire8136
4 жыл бұрын
Never believe anything Stalin or Hitler tell you
@svikhnuvshisya2369
4 жыл бұрын
What are you talking about? During the listed events Soviets lost around 10-15k. So, 48k killed or slightly above can be true. And if you were less biased, Finnish estimates of only 25k killed would've also appeared dubious, considering their initial number of 200k soldiers on the battlefield.
@kingofburgundy6323
4 жыл бұрын
3:14 desire for the fighting to happen elsewhere
@jontsuba
5 жыл бұрын
Please, if you use imperial units (50000 square miles) at least give the metric conversion in some way so that the rest of the world can understand :P
@WorldWarTwo
5 жыл бұрын
You're absolutely right. 50000 mi² = 129499 km²
@john-on1go
5 жыл бұрын
World War Two stop being a communist
@martijn9568
5 жыл бұрын
@@WorldWarTwo I will have no problem, as long as you covert the Fahrenheit to celcius. Because I can't understand Fahrenheit, I have conquered Miles, Knots, Pounds and Gallons, but that odd temperature scale called Fahrenheit, I will never understand.
@abeherbert6603
5 жыл бұрын
@@john-on1go Stop being ignorant.
@eXo66
5 жыл бұрын
@@WorldWarTwo maybe you guys could put in a little graphical note for the converted units when units are used? i think that wouldn´t distract too much while being important for a lot of viewers. Great work by the way, love the channel.
@finscreenname
5 жыл бұрын
I could listen to Indy all day.
@themarqq
5 жыл бұрын
Mannerheim: Hey Stalin. Do you want to hear a joke? Stalin: Da. Mannerheim: Helsinki. Stalin: Helsinki? I don't get this one. Mannerheim: And you never will. Stalin: Cyka blyat go to gulag.
@paulfoster3316
4 жыл бұрын
respect to Finland.
@Arbiter099
5 жыл бұрын
Indy is having a serious time with that Sears Catalog representative. Is their plan to just keep transferring him to different departments for say, five more years?
@andysorensen1737
5 жыл бұрын
Arbiter099 By 2023 we’ll all be tired of that hold music.
@Wallyworld30
5 жыл бұрын
He should do an episode odd between two wars on the history of the sears catalog. Did you know African Americans used to shop using the Sears catalog because of Jim Crow laws. If was the first time African Americans in the south could shop for proper goods.
@faythe03
5 жыл бұрын
Hi! Great show! I think you should make an episode about the Soviet purges, especially since this might be the first time mentioning them on the show and it would be very interesting to hear about this in greater details. I love what you guys do!
@Erin-Thor
5 жыл бұрын
Finland deserves everyone’s admiration. Their small nation, small army, but tenacious people fought well. They never gave up, they resisted against impossible odds. Attacked on two fronts but vastly superior forces they could have resigned and joined the attacking forces like Italy had done.
@SuperCompany007
5 жыл бұрын
While the war is officialy over, Finland is still in war mode. For example half of the nation’s budget is going to the military and all parties are in the government. Also the country is being run by a secret circle of politicians, Mannerheim, the Prime Minister, defence minister and the president. At the end of the year they would hear about Germany’s plans to inavde east, and in May of 1941 they would make the decision to join Germany.
@RoyalMela
Жыл бұрын
Nope. Finland knew about those plans but did not join, until Soviets started bombing Finland again, and Finland declared war on Soviets. And of course, Finland benefited a lot from German offensive but Finlands interest was to get the land back and save few ethnic finnish towns while doing so. Finland never joined Germany as many believe, but saw this as the only opportunity to get back was what originally theirs.
@CruelDwarf
5 жыл бұрын
Actually documents about fate of Soviet prisoners of war who returned to the Soviet Union were discovered years ago. They all (5 468 men in total) were detained for three months in the NKVD camp. 414 of them were arrested on different charges (mostly for collaborating with Finnis during the captivity or on suspicion of being recruited by foreign intelligences). 344 cases were sent to court and 232 were convicted to execution. 158 were actually executed, the rest recieved between 15 to 25 years of hard labor instead. So 5 124 of the former PoWs went free after three months of interrogations and waiting.
@CruelDwarf
5 жыл бұрын
@@indiananeidell9186 It is from D.D. Frolov monography "Soviet-Finiish Imprisonment. On both sides of the barbwire" published in 2009. Full name for the book (in Russian, but I think it is also availabie in Finnish): Фролов Д. Д. Советско-финский плен. 1939-1944 гг. По обе стороны колючей проволоки. - Хельсинки: RME Group Oy; СПб.: Алетейя, 2009. ISBN codes are 978-952-5761-04-7 (RME Group) and 978-5-91419-199-0 (Алетейя).
@minsevon6151
5 жыл бұрын
That was interesting new info. Do you happend to know is there similar study about Karelian tribes with Finnish origin, 'Ingrian Finns' that were forced to return to USSR after the war (-45)?
@pellejoens7886
5 жыл бұрын
I can believe that. Of the 146 Baltic soldiers fighting on the German side in the war that Sweden had in camps and was returned to Soviet Union after WWII. 3 were executed and 23 were got long prison sentences. The rest were released after a few months of interrogations.
@CruelDwarf
5 жыл бұрын
@@minsevon6151 Nope, sorry. I never did encounter anything about that.
@CruelDwarf
5 жыл бұрын
@@pellejoens7886 it is more or less the norm for Soviet PoWs or German collaborators captured by Soviets. But because USSR tendency to layer up secrecy on everything stories about mass executions spread. Lack of access to hard data tend to create such myths.
@Timodon1
4 жыл бұрын
Hello! You have a nice office sir! Videos are good as well! Regards from Finland man born 1955! I must also say that im a member in an exclusive club here in Stockholm, in this club we have only veterans from the war with Russia and the oldest man is now 97 years old and still driving a car! We will have a meeting again in Februari at Karlberg high shool for military stundents and he is the only one who is swedish speaking from Finland who lives here in Stockholm!
@WorldWarTwo
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for your interest in our series!
@xKuukkelix
5 жыл бұрын
And people wonder why finland and germany worked together after winter war
@victorbruant389
5 жыл бұрын
Why do so many people have that profile picture?
@xKuukkelix
5 жыл бұрын
@@victorbruant389 it's just an old meme and I just can't bother to change it
@victorbruant389
5 жыл бұрын
@@xKuukkelix What meme?
@xKuukkelix
5 жыл бұрын
@@victorbruant389 oh yeah yeah
@juusohamalainen7507
5 жыл бұрын
Only Germans helped Finns to drive Russia out from Finnish territory. May I now ask why USA, Russia, UK and France united to fight Germany and then from 1945 Germany, USA, UK and France turned against Russia. Finns have a better and balanced plan: always fight against totalitarian aggressor states like Russia.
@GovernorBroadside
4 жыл бұрын
There should've been a dramatic zoom into Indys eyes at that end, it would've been epic.
@samirantanen707
5 жыл бұрын
Screw you guys, I'm going with Germany! --Finland
@johnmcdonald9304
5 жыл бұрын
Excellent! I loved Indy's WW1 videos. Glad to see he's covering WW2 now.
@WorldWarTwo
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I'm glad you like this as well!
@hiivatti67
5 жыл бұрын
My father just last year turn 90 and his job during the war is paint woden crosses in sematery. I'm over 50 now and had have opererturnity to go around the world and see different places, but i'm have never been in russia and i'm not going there if not our army comander ask it .
@juusohamalainen7507
5 жыл бұрын
Don't be naive. There is no reason not to learn how Russia is today. My father lost his home in Carelia, his younger brother but he still travelled in Russia from 60's till he died in 2016 at the age of 101. He also was fighting in one of the worst frontlines during 1939-44. Every adult Finn must know its neighbours whether you like them or not.
@henex1296
5 жыл бұрын
just 2 days before the Winter War ended my greatgrandfather was somewhere near the lake Ladoga. The Soviets attacked and killed all of his friend and my greatgrandfather got hit by a grenade and lost his right eye. A moment after he got injured, he played dead, waited long enough that the Soviets would come near him and he killed all of the Soviets. He came back to the Finnish border alone and he almost got shot by the Finns (they thought he was a Soviet) He was sent straight into hospital and couldn't report to anyone what just happened and he stayed quiet about the war until the few last years before his death
@kingsofserbiangameplay1623
5 жыл бұрын
Just to be said Indy had a great impact in Finnish defeat by destroying their logistics with his constant phone calls
@pokeygorilla9368
5 жыл бұрын
"such a nation has earned the right to live" wow that gave me chills. I can't wait to see what you guys do when Germany finally goes west.
@failmarine2.0
5 жыл бұрын
Russia: *invades Finland and starts treating them like shit* Finland: *joins operation Barbarossa* Russia: why would Finland do this?
@bdog2802
5 жыл бұрын
Fail Marine 2.0 ahhhh yes and then the Finns lost again
@Weffi76
5 жыл бұрын
@@bdog2802 yep, but imagine, what would have happend, if germany won against russia, conisdering Finland was also figthing russia, well most likely Finland would have become a part of Germany instead.
@epa901
5 жыл бұрын
@@bdog2802 You know, all the last battles of 1944's summer were Finnish defensive victories. It included the biggest battle of Northern Europe's history (and a few battles almost the same size right after it), go look up Tali-Ihantala for example. Finland had stopped USSR's offensive completely on all fronts and the battle didn't even reach the Salpa line which was much stronger than VKT-line where the Soviets got obliterated. We did *not* lose in combat. In combat, we won that year as the peace was signed weeks after the defensive victory.
@FyodorUshakovSuka
5 жыл бұрын
You are idiot if you have to ask this!
@Leperzco
5 жыл бұрын
Well Finland did not actually joined the Operation Barbarossa. Finland wanted stay out of war if it would be for Finland to decide. Soviet Union bombed multiple Finnish cities on 25th of June 1941 and after that government of Finland acknowledged that Finland is on state of war with Soviet Union.
@oldesertguy9616
5 жыл бұрын
I never thought you would be able to duplicate The Great War series, but you've exceeded it.
@WorldWarTwo
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@MrBurgeri
5 жыл бұрын
During the Cold War we lived in a perpetual fear of Soviet Invasion. My grandmother was convinced it was going to happen, so when the Cuban missile crisis happened, she threw away my grandfather's war medals (Winter and Continuation War), fearing that if Soviets invaded and the resulting puppet government found out about the medals, they'd have the family deported or shot.
@pelontorjunta
5 жыл бұрын
According study of Pavel Petrov and database of names of deceased Soviet soldiers, the price of Soviet victory in Winter War was 167,976 deceased soldiers. Finnish losses: 26,100 dead. Total numbers more than 194,000.
@nicolasclermont893
11 ай бұрын
Im disgusted at western indifference to finlands struggle in the winter war. Not only that, but stringing the finns along to have them believe they will actually help but they never intended to. Throwing a drowning man a floatation device but the line is too short.
@rabihrac
5 жыл бұрын
God ! Glad I caught up with the series after watching the last 3 episodes in one day. I respect the Finns more than ever before. Peace !
@WorldWarTwo
5 жыл бұрын
Welcome to the present time!
@thelastjohnwayne
4 жыл бұрын
I believe that the Soviet losses in the Winter War as stated by the Kremlin are a vast understatement. It was purposeful Soviet Propaganda to dramatically understate the massive Soviet losses to the much much smaller and much lesser equipped Finnish Army. Simply put Stalin could not tell the Soviet people the truth of what happened in Finland or he and the Soviet Army would look really bad. So they had to lie about what happened.
@gyderian9435
2 жыл бұрын
I believe they still lie about it. I've met quite many young russians who have very different views on what happened
@Narmatonia
4 жыл бұрын
2:52 You've gotta admit that's a badass line
@bolloggfisch1100
5 жыл бұрын
QUICK SUMMARY (video and Instagram posts) 11.3. German U-31 is the first U-boat to be sunken from the air (58 dead). 12.3. Moscow Peace Treaty is signed, the Battle of Kollaa (7.12.) ends with a Finnish victory, Allies decide to invade Norway. 13.3. The Winter War (30.12.) ends with a costly Soviet victory. 14.3. Allies abandon their plan to invade Norway, the evacuation of Finnish Karelia begins. 15.3. The King of Romania, Carol II, grants amnesty to members of the Iron Guard, a Romanian fascist movement responsible for assassinating the Romanian Prime Minister. 16.3. The first British civilian casualty of the War was caused by a German air raid on a British Fleet. QUICK RECAP (video and Instagram posts) 3.3. A terrorist group bombed the offices of a Swedish Communist newspaper (4 dead). 5.3. Stalin authorised the Katyn Massacre, which will result in around 22,000 people murdered. 6.3. Finland sent a peace delegation to Moscow. 8.3. Soviet troops entered the suburbs of Viipuri.
@VaciliNikoMavich
5 жыл бұрын
Finland has definetly pulled off an admirable feat. One does not trifle with the USSR lightly back then.
@old-moose
5 жыл бұрын
The Finns would have made the Spartans proud.
@seneca983
5 жыл бұрын
@@apokos8871: About 7000 fought against the Persians in the battle of Thermopylae, not 300.
@seneca983
5 жыл бұрын
@@apokos8871: Yeah, I know that was not the point but I like nitpicking. :) Your point is valid as such (though I'm not so sure how big of a part that particular battle played in the overall victory in that war), though one could maybe say that your comment is similarly missing the point of Ronald's comment which was probably much more abstract like a surprising amount of tenacity in a fight. (And technically speaking he didn't even mention a specific battle or war either.)
@seneca983
5 жыл бұрын
@@apokos8871: It depends on how specific the comparison was intended to be. I agree that on that specific level there are clear differences though I suspect the intention was just the emotion evoked by putting up such a good fight. (Of course, one could also nitpick that the Spartans would probably just consider Finns to be "barbarians".)
@timomastosalo
5 жыл бұрын
@@apokos8871 In relation to their times it was about the same result: a defensive victory. The peace treaty was the victory the Finns were aiming for - the withdrawal of the enemy. The Soviets pulled their army from the front after the treaty - like the Persians. They had forces yet in Persia, maybe they could have taken Greece - but for what price? The Persians did after all take the Eastern Greek colonies, didn't they? On the Asia Minor side. And Finns lost their eastern areas.
@timomastosalo
5 жыл бұрын
@Jose Raul Miguens Cruz Finland doesn't have those mountains where to hide and which to fortify. Finns had to stop the enemy in the woods. The Afghans I've met in Finland don't laugh at the Finns. Some are greatful.
@ayylmao3414
4 жыл бұрын
excellent coverage of this part of the war in particular
@WorldWarTwo
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Especially as the Winter War can be overlooked quite often
@ayylmao3414
4 жыл бұрын
@@WorldWarTwo I'd tend to think this is a result of it being early on in the war, and relatively isolated from other fronts. However, I find it to be one of the most impressive as it foreshadows the persistence of the Finns against great odds. Great to see you did it justice in this, and I can't get enough of this WWII content! Keep up the great content!
@m.r.h5644
4 жыл бұрын
RIP to those Finnish warriors love from ur lil bro Estonia.
@teenfin
5 жыл бұрын
As our great General and President of our nation said ones. Mannerheimi sano: "Nyt sitä lähtään silmien väliin ryssiä tähtään!" Silmien välliin, silmien välliin, silmien välliin ryssää juu. God Bless Finland
@cobbler9113
5 жыл бұрын
This period of fannying around is one of the few times where looking into a history book, I am embarrassed to be British. The way my country (and France) treated Finland was beyond contempt.
@ExecutiveSonda
5 жыл бұрын
Meh, you were busy with Nazi Germany.
@hugopazprieto6912
5 жыл бұрын
One of the few? What about colonialism, genocides, slavery and most of the modern history of Britain?
@konstantinriumin2657
5 жыл бұрын
@@ExecutiveSonda With dropping leaflets on Nazi Germany
@Liam-dv7zq
5 жыл бұрын
Hugo Paz Prieto You do realise the British were the first to abolish slavery, and the majority of countries on earth have been colonial at some point
@sirierieott5882
5 жыл бұрын
Finland's defence was magnificent, but it was a 'lost' cause that no UK or French military help could ever fully defend, just delay the inevitable. We knew the fight for survival was looming and it was a hard decision to limit the help abroad, especially the BEF in northern France as continental defeat was very probable and we'd be defending the British Isles alone for 2 long years before any military help from the US. When we stopped Hitler at the channel, that was his first strategic defeat of WW2 and in hindsight, from September 1940, loosing looked less and less likely and winning for the British was now a possibility given time and US support.
@leaddog3132
5 жыл бұрын
Actually Kruschev years later claimed they lost over a million men.
@Losrandir
4 жыл бұрын
Russians have this weird way of boasting about how many they lost, but it's probably still true!
@bavtie1
3 жыл бұрын
That feels like a bit much, and Kruschev was denouncing Stalin at that point, so exaggerating one of his mistakes would be in his interests. The figure of around 250000 seems like the most realistic count.
@nerdothn892
5 жыл бұрын
Will there be an video on misconception about ww2 many people have?
@martiny.9366
5 жыл бұрын
I think this is really important.
@nerdothn892
5 жыл бұрын
@@martiny.9366 they made it for the great war. i think they should do it for ww2 too
@l-o-l-o558
5 жыл бұрын
I have a feeling that half of the episodes will be about French and Italian militaries
@nerdothn892
5 жыл бұрын
@@l-o-l-o558 lol although those misconception make for nice memes
@l-o-l-o558
5 жыл бұрын
@@nerdothn892 Not always, but some are actually very good
@corporalpunishment1133
5 жыл бұрын
This is one of the best channels on KZitem this format is gripping and informative. I only know some of what is coming but I cannot wait for Chamberlain disappear and that the Finns are as harder than concrete.
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