Michelle, this video was an answer to my fasting and prayer. I was seeking further light and truth regarding whether I was on the right path with this whole subject. The more I read and study, the more convinced I am that Joseph was telling the truth. But I just needed some reassurance from God. And then this video dropped within hours of when I broke my fast. I cannot tell you the ways in which it brought peace and power to my spirit. The more I look at this topic specifically, the more I am steadfast in my testimony of the Book of Mormon and Joseph’s prophetic mantle. I am so grateful to you for bringing this to us. I know you had it on the books for a while but the fact that it came out on the day that it did, to me was such an answer to the many hours I’ve spent fasting and praying about this. Thank you.
@MichelleBStone
Ай бұрын
@@joseph_nelson_esq ❤️🙏❤️
@stevedavis1316
4 ай бұрын
I love how you presented this episode. You presented some incredible sources, including Joseph himself. Very powerful piece! Joseph deserves his name to be cleared of the practice of polygamy and episode by episode you lay out irrefutable evidence. Once you understand the truth, you can’t go back! Can’t wait for next one!
@lynnsmith9526
4 ай бұрын
Dear Michelle! Thank you for the light you bring every week! It matters not whether it's received but those in "authority". Light is light! I'm grateful for you,
@Kristy_not_Kristine
4 ай бұрын
@WorkSmarter-2024 perhaps you need to revisit what the Book of Mormon declares to be His church. It's not an particular institution or organization masquerading as a "church". Other than that, I agree with you comment.
@jennyforyourthoughts
4 ай бұрын
I’m sure people said something similar to Joseph, Samuel the Lamanite, John the Baptist, or Mary Magdalene. The Lord has called young boys, farmers, fishermen, tax collectors, and women to spread the gospel. You don’t have to be a 90-year-old Melchizedek priesthood holder to hear, recognize, or speak the truth.
@lynnsmith9526
4 ай бұрын
@WorkSmarter-2024 Pretty clear you are here advocating for "authority".
@lynnsmith9526
4 ай бұрын
@WorkSmarter-2024 WOW!!
@lynnsmith9526
4 ай бұрын
Did you get nothing from this video. Things are often shared with authority but without sufficient or correct documentation or research it’s incorrect therefore without authority.
@andyboucher4.934
4 ай бұрын
Thanks for your perseverance, due diligence, and enthusiasm! I look forward to what Truth that you will bring to light every Sunday. I appreciate you braving your illness to march forward with the cause of Truth. May our Lord and Savior Jesus continue to bless and keep you, Michelle!
@StompMom5
4 ай бұрын
John Bennett and Brigham Young created a false Joseph Smith and that's the one we adopted as our founder and prophet. How have we spent almost the entire church history believing and teaching the doctrine of the devil taught by Bennett and Brigham Young? No wonder it's taking so long to get that sealed portion of the book of Mormon. Well done Michelle👌😇 Hope you get feeling better real soon. My daughter had what you have and it took her a good month+ to recover. We'll keep you in our prayers
@randyjordan5521
4 ай бұрын
LOL. It's cute that you believe that John Bennett and Brigham Young were in cahoots with each other. You have been completely brainwashed.
@tls9382
4 ай бұрын
Great Episode Michelle! Not only did polygamy engage in wife swapping it also brought about daughter swapping.🤢 My 4th great grandfather Lucious Scovil, who owned the bakery in Nauvoo, swapped his young daughter for another man’s daughter to marry.😔 Fruits of polygamy is heartbreaking! 💔
@StompMom5
4 ай бұрын
Ack😝😝. Slavery at its grossest
@NanetteONeal
Ай бұрын
Another great video with mounds and mounds of research to back up the truth! Bravo!! Keep it up, Michelle! You are doing wonders in restoring Joseph's name!
@heatherbello5439
4 ай бұрын
Thanks so much for the thousands of hours you have spent uncovering so much truth that had been hidden. ❤
@MichelleBStone
4 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@eeka2466
4 ай бұрын
God bless your amazing abilities and courage.
@MichelleBStone
4 ай бұрын
Thank you! ❤️❤️
@DavidN831
4 ай бұрын
Man, Michelle, you are kicking butt and taking names! Amazing work!
@Mickshickle
4 ай бұрын
“ I have come here to chew bubble gum and kick a**, and I’m all out of bubble gum” Iconic line #80sscifi #theylive GO MICHELLE!!!
@thedailydump7407
4 ай бұрын
How much goofiness, intentional dishonesty, and deep ignorance can we uncover in our church’s history and still stick with it? The more I learn the less relevant the church becomes in my life. And I am compelled to draw close to and rely on God directly.
@johncato4412
4 ай бұрын
I agree with you. It is more and more evident that virtually every “leader” was a dishonest liar. I cannot justify supporting this mess. Authority from God cannot survive such dishonesty.
@timoaks1372
4 ай бұрын
I think for me the church as in the LDS corporation has lost all relevance in my life. The church described in D&C 10:67-68 has become my priority. "67 Behold, this is my doctrine-whosoever repenteth and cometh unto me, the same is my church. 68 Whosoever declareth more or less than this, the same is not of me, but is against me; therefore he is not of my church." I really like tradition 2 from AA "For our group purpose, there is but one ultimate authority - a loving God as He may express Himself in our group conscience. Our leaders are but trusted servants; they do not govern." I think that more closely alignes with the religion of Joseph Smith than what the church he founded has morphed into where we are taught to look to a man as the authority in our lives.
@TruthFound1830
4 ай бұрын
Excellent Michelle! These episodes are so important for so many reasons. Thank you! If you’re an amateur researcher and can produce this quality and level of evidence, I have to conclude the real historians with their degrees are indeed committing historical malpractice or they’d be right there supporting you.
@kathybence
4 ай бұрын
"Only one special polygamy-giver" ...love that description of the guy 132 describes as having the keys to polygamy!! Also thought it was interesting to summarize that Joseph was bringing on his own problems by constantly drawing attention to this mess. Thank you for sharing all of this super-creepy information from the past that illustrates the harm this lifestyle causes.
@melissastapleton7262
4 ай бұрын
I love checking in on how many subscribers you have!! The growth is crazy.
@Kristy_not_Kristine
4 ай бұрын
What a gem of evidence you share here! And putting it in context chronologically with when Joseph supposedly married all those other women! Great work! I think that's one of the keys that has been missed all these years, paying attention to dates and places!
@cherylclute4981
4 ай бұрын
Michelle, we appreciate all the research you do for all your podcasts. From what I understand Joseph had met with William Marks just prior to being murdered, they were getting ready to bring charges against several of the brethren that were practicing polygamy in secret but it never came to fruition because of the murderers. I’m sure if Joseph and Hyrum wouldn’t have been murdered lots of apostate brethren would have been excommunicated from the church. Keep up the good work but take time to rest your voice…and get well soon. ♥️
@FleeingBabylon-Now
4 ай бұрын
Yes that is true. All the who's who.
@Kristy_not_Kristine
4 ай бұрын
It would be amazing to have William Marks journals of this time period!
@FleeingBabylon-Now
4 ай бұрын
@@Kristy_not_Kristine I think he was out in the cold like Joseph. This was an inside job. The people got who and what they wanted. A king.
@whatsup3270
4 ай бұрын
Cheryl That is correct however the issue is whether Joseph was making examples of them because they were not sealed by Joseph the only holder of keys, and thus were the cause of the civil unrest about polygamy, or whether it was another reason. The general idea is Joseph could practice polygamy, others as selected by Joseph could practice polygamy, as in 10-50 marriages total. Verses anybody who wanted to. Please review the document in the video and the " from him" meaning Joseph's blessing.
@FleeingBabylon-Now
4 ай бұрын
@@whatsup3270 It is getting to the point with evidence and common sense that the only way you see Joseph as a polygamist is either due to cognitive dissonance or just wanting to knowingly lie about Joseph. Just reading the the talk of Hyrum at conference on polygamy, just before his death is enough. "None but a fool teaches such stuff; the devil himself is not such a fool, and every Elder who teaches such stuff ought to have his nose wrung; any one found guilty of such teaching will be published and his license will be taken from him" You would think that would be the last word but No, they just killed him rather than stop the practice. The wicked will have wicked fruit.
@sherrijensen1575
4 ай бұрын
Michelle, you are such an angel sent from God to help those of us who have been faithful to God and not man, to finally know the truth. About your lingering illness, I just want to throw this out there. I'm an SRA survivor and my therapist has helped me understand the demonic strongholds and the demons that keep us bound down. It's possible an enemy of yours has "cursed" you and its the demon of infirmity that is holding you bound to try to stop your work. I feel that in our church we won't discuss these things and come to knowledge but those who wield the power of lucifer know how to stop their enemies. The angels are fighting for you but perhaps it is now your time for you to wake up to a new level of understanding about what satan is trying to do to you. I understand how it sounds "woo-woo" but since I have been under intense sickness and pain my whole life without answers it has been a game changer to believe what I would not previously look at. A personal instance: I had neck trouble recently and my therapist helped me release the spiritual energy that my enemy used to put himself on me in a bad way, spiritually, and as soon as she did that the pain was gone and I went on normally. I hope this helps. I'm not good at it yet but I am having huge relief and changes now through this work.
@meridentoombs3840
4 ай бұрын
If possible, I would love to talk to you about your healing journey.
@joejenjackson
4 ай бұрын
A very thorough treatment of this person's back-story. For what it's worth, I followed a link trail through Wikipedia's article on Mark Hoffman after viewing your episode (Ep. 48), and it took me to this 1987 talk (Ensign/Devotional) by Elder Oaks. "Recent Events Involving Church History and Forged Documents". In it, he describes the principles behind keeping some documents private: 1) at the direction of the donor, 2) Contents are confidential, 3) Contents are private for living individuals. He stated, "These same considerations apply to official Church documents, such as the minutes of confidential meetings and Church courts." This is why the Disciplinary Council minutes are not openly published with the Joseph Smith Papers.
@scottwheeler5741
4 ай бұрын
I think that you can claim to be Joseph's smooth STONE rolling forth. ( pun intended) You show the result of all the corners being broken off of Joseph's rolling stone. Thanks for all your hard work. 😊
@jenniferhuefner5404
4 ай бұрын
Michelle, my family got a cold that is taking weeks to heal. I was sick for 4 days when I found a recipe for a flu bomb. I took one flu bomb for two days. I felt completely fine after that! Mix the following and eat it quick! 1-2 clove of garlic chopped 1 inch of ginger root chopped 2 Tbsp onion chopped 1-2 Tbs raw honey 1/8-1/4 tsp cayenne powder Get ready to feel better fast! I’m amazed at how effective it is! Get well soon ! Thank you so much for all all you do !
@littleredhen3218
4 ай бұрын
How will BH ever recover? REPENTANCE is the only way. Humility and repentance. At over 80,000 subscribers...... A LOT of people will be viewing this kerfuffle of historical malpractice. Primetime entertainment. The age of enlightenment for sure!
@StompMom5
4 ай бұрын
😇🙏She's on fire⚡💯
@amandarobison2211
4 ай бұрын
Brilliant Michelle ❤
@timoaks1372
4 ай бұрын
Michelle, What would you like the church to do to set things right one this issue? I think a good start would be to discard D&C 132 and restore the original D&C 101 and the Lectures on Faith. Another fascinating podcast, great job! I pray for you recovery, we need your voice!
@karenhyatt647
4 ай бұрын
Oh man, that's seriously perfect!! I will tell people exactly that if I'm asked what the "end game" is. I usually say, "Well, embracing truth - isn't that the point?" which is the real goal, but what you said is what that would look like for the church. Love it!!! 👍👍👍
@bookmedia67
4 ай бұрын
Something I’ve been getting stuck on lately: if Hyrum Smith was such a staunch anti-polygamist, why did his wife, Mary Fielding, follow Brigham west only to become one of Heber C. Kimball’s many plural wives? Wouldn’t you have expected her to unite with Emma after Joseph and Hyrum’s death if her husband taught so fervently against this practice?
@MichelleBStone
4 ай бұрын
Whitney Horning and I discuss this very question in our conversation on Hyrum.
@randyjordan5521
4 ай бұрын
Hyrum wasn't really opposed to polygamy; he was simply in the dark about it until Joseph revealed it to him. Hyrum was present on July 12, 1843, when Joseph dictated the revelation on celestial marriage to his secretary William Clayton. Hyrum enthusiastically accepted it and offered to present it to Emma Smith in hopes that she would accept it. A month later, on August 12, Hyrum presented the revelation to the Nauvoo High Council to seek their vote to sustain it as church doctrine. Three men in that meeting opposed the measure. One of them, Stake President William Marks' counselor Austin Cowles, filed this legal affidavit on May 4, 1844, which detailed what Hyrum Smith had read in that meeting: " In the latter part of the summer, 1843, the Patriarch, Hyrum Smith, did in the High Council, of which I was a member, introduce what he said was a revelation given through the Prophet; that the said Hyrum Smith did essay to read the said revealtion in the said Council, that according to his reading there was contained the following doctrines; lst the sealing up of persons to eternal life, against all sins, save that of sheding innocent blood or of consenting thereto; 2nd, the doctrine of a plurality of wives, or marrying virgins; that "David and Solomon had many wives, yet in this they sinned not save in the matter of Uriah. This revelation with other evidence, that the aforesaid heresies were taught and practiced in the Church; determined me to leave the office of first counsellor to the president of the Church at Nauvoo, inasmuch as I dared not teach or administer such laws." Hyrum is known to have only plural married two women before his death: his wife's sister Mercy and Catherine Phillips. After Hyrum's death, Mary went west with most of the Mormons because she had been introduced to plural marriage personally by Joseph Smith and her husband, and she accepted it and plural married Heber C. Kimball in the accepted "proxy sealing" ordinance of the day, just as many of Joseph's other "plural widows" were sealed to Brigham Young, Kimball, and other apostles. Obviously, if Mary knew that Joseph and her husband had nothing to do with polygamy, and if polygamy had in fact been a rogue, unauthorized, improper practice of Young, Kimball, and other apostles, Mary certainly would not have been sealed to Kimball nor gone west. In 1903, because of RLDS church apologists' assertions that Joseph and Hyrum had nothing to do with polygamy, Hyrum's other plural wife Catherine Phillips swore this legal affidavit: Catherine Phillips Smith, being first sworn, says: I am the daughter of Thomas Denner and Sarah Godshall Phillips, and was born in Philadelphia, State of Pennsylvania, on the first day of August, 1819. My present residence is East Jordan, Salt Lake County, Utah. I was married to Hyrum Smith, brother of the Prophet Joseph Smith, as his plural wife, and lived with him as his wife. The sealing was performed by the Prophet Joseph Smith himself, in Nauvoo, State of Illinois, in August, 1843, in the brick office belonging to my husband, and occupied at the time as a dwelling by Brother and Sister Robert and Julia Stone, and was witnessed by my mother, Sister Stone and her daughter Hettie. In consequence of the strong feeling manifested at the time against plural marriage and those suspected of having entered into it, I, with my mother, moved to St. Louis near the close of the year, where I was living when the Prophet Joseph and my husband were martyred. The purpose of this affidavit is that my testimony to the truthfulness and divinity of plural marriage may live after I shall have passed away; and in this spirit I commend it to all to whom it may come. Catherine Phillips Smith. Subscribed and sworn to before me, this 28th day of January, 1903.
@tinariches6690
4 ай бұрын
@@randyjordan5521🙄
@littleredhen3218
4 ай бұрын
@@randyjordan5521 Not you again. STOP with your stupid moldy, tired, narrative. Bring something truthful to the table! We're sick of the old narrative; its vanishing away as every lie does in the blazing light of truth!
@ericbyers235
4 ай бұрын
This standard narrative you have just walked through has been debunked. You may want to watch some of the earlier presentations from Michelle and then double check the research for yourself.
@joedoe2760
4 ай бұрын
33:30 Also if only one person is allowed to possess the sealing keys on the earth at a time, does that mean that the resurrected Savior removed the sealing power from Nephi (Helaman 10), because he had given the sealing power to Peter (Matt. 16:18-19)? Peter and Nephi lived at the same time on different sides of the globe. If D&C 132 is right, the Nephites who Christ visited in the Book of Mormon had the fullness of the gospel, but could not have eternal marriage because the sealing key was given to Peter. Seems like a bad deal for the Nephites and all of the other lost tribes that Jesus visited, and an unfair decision by the Lord, to give such a precious gift and then remove it from a worthy people.
@littleredhen3218
4 ай бұрын
Great point! Another example of exposing yet another lie in 132.
@Uke1111-to8xj
4 ай бұрын
Well, we don't really have evidence of celestial marriage sealing in Jesus' time. The BOM also doesn't say anything about celestial marriage. It is a new doctrine that developed during the rise of polygamy. Unfortunately, the celestial marriage is directly connected to polygamy. And yes, you bring up a good point about the keys of sealing power. It's another proof that D&C 132 was not inspired by God.
@shelleymorrell209
4 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for bringing these things to light! I’ve started wondering what the history of my polygamous ancestors is…
@cprmom
4 ай бұрын
I’ve been on a journey of discovery with my polygamous ancestors too. It has been fascinating.
@Kristy_not_Kristine
4 ай бұрын
So have I. I have dozens of plygs in my family history, but was relieved to learn that none of them were practicing that wicked abomination in Joseph's time. The majority were shopping so in 1880s utah. There were 2 that began in Nauvoo before they were driven out, so I wasn't too dog a little deeper there, but so far it looks like they weren't aware of it before June 1844... wish we had access to handwritten journals vs typed accounts, too!
@shelleymorrell209
4 ай бұрын
I know that we’re descended from Erastus Bingham and Robert Aldous. I know they were both polygamist. In fact, Erastus was mentioned in i think episode 114 as a bishop promoting polygamy. I wonder how much she knew…
@DerekPayne1791
4 ай бұрын
I researched mine for the first time last week. 😢 Three of my 3rd Greats were polygamists. Had a tiny relief that there were no teen age brides, at least according to the records. But a lot of sad stories.
@Uke1111-to8xj
4 ай бұрын
Michelle, with your investigation skills, you could make an excellent FBI agent. This is brilliant!
@jaredvaughan1665
4 ай бұрын
Great content. Please don't feel pressure to do one episode a week if you are sick. People will still follow you with even one episode a month. And sometimes fewer episodes means more views per episode.
@andyboucher4.934
4 ай бұрын
Hang in there sister Truthseeker! You've got this! God prepares a way for his messages and messengers. D&C 123:11-14 (That is part of the letter that Joseph wrote from Liberty Jail. If anyone has not read the whole letter, which is part of the Jospeh Smith Papers project, you should. It has some interresting and beneficial parts that were left out )
@lorellefriden1264
4 ай бұрын
Michelle, your extensive research is helping so many! Thank you so much!
@teachingsofjesuschrist
4 ай бұрын
Wow! This is a perfect episode to show how dishonest and shoddy the official church history is surrounding polygamy and Joseph Smith's alleged promotion of it.
@EdmundPatak
4 ай бұрын
I just realized something! A lot of the men who got into trouble for attempting to seduce women into spiritual wifery were closely involved with the choir. I wish I could remember the name of the other that was charged who happened to oversee the choir.
@ericredd5590
4 ай бұрын
You seem to know who framed JS and the things they went on to do in order to solidify the lie. But, you seem to only care about clearing his name and you avoid addressing what that means for the church then and now.
@randyjordan5521
4 ай бұрын
Nobody "framed" Joseph Smith. He and he alone instituted polygamy in Mormonism. Anyone who thinks otherwise is either ignorant or mentally deficient.
@HistoricalMonogamyDoctrine
4 ай бұрын
She has talked on the Lord's people being under condemnation for believing false traditions, but that when we denounce those false teachings we are then released from that condemnation and are able to receive greater light and knowledge.
@icecreamladydriver1606
4 ай бұрын
I sure wish some of these Mormon podcasters would watch your channel and get to know the reality of what polygamy really was and get to know Brigham Young. It makes me sick the way they love the man they don't even know. Some of them are pushing back against what you and others are disclosing about Brigham by quoting him and talking more about him.
@patriciafinn5717
4 ай бұрын
I wish the leaders would discuss tbese issuez and not members as they shouldf ne able to clear all these issues up..or maybe they dont want to..the hill cumorah is not even mentioned now but before all o Prophets swore to its historicity..but noew its seem demoted to an distraction..its all very hard to figure out why truth becomes less than truth..muddy waters are not worthy of gods church..😢
@KingMosiah
4 ай бұрын
"More Historical Malpractice" is aptly titled, as that's what you're doing. For example, it's convenient that you ignore the fact that the March 31, 1842 letter to the RS was written and signed by Joseph Smith AND Brigham Young (19:00) . You make it sound like Joseph Smith was writing the letter with Brigham Young (and/or his group of collaborators) in mind, and yet Brigham Young is one of the two signatures on it. Therefore, whatever Joseph Smith was talking about in his letter, it certainly wasn't the practices of Brigham Young. In fact, Brigham Young was one of the prophet's closest confidants and was actually the officiator for several of Joseph Smith's plural marriages.
@americanmanstan2381
4 ай бұрын
Almost 82,000 subscribers? I thought you were like at 27,000 a few months ago.
@Kristy_not_Kristine
4 ай бұрын
@WorkSmarter-2024doubt that's the goal
@randyjordan5521
4 ай бұрын
@WorkSmarter-2024 You can storm all you want to, but you cannot change the facts of history. Joseph Smith originated polygamy in Mormonism and practiced it, plural marrying at least 33 women. More than 100 church members in Nauvoo said that they were introduced to plural marriage by Joseph or Hyrum Smith. NONE of them said that they learned of it from Brigham Young or anyone else. Not a single historian of Mormonism, living or dead, has ever theorized that anyone other than Joseph Smith instituted polygamy. The only people who believe Smith did not are Michelle Stone and similar conspiracy theorists and her followers who are naive and ignorant of the facts.
@littleredhen3218
4 ай бұрын
@@randyjordan5521 So says Brian Hales and other malpracticing Mormons.
@randyjordan5521
4 ай бұрын
Ya know, on the one hand, I think "82,000 subscribers? That's impressive." But then I remember that those same people believe that the Book of Mormon is authentic, too. And then it all makes sense.
@randyjordan5521
4 ай бұрын
@@littleredhen3218 "So says Brian Hales and other malpracticing Mormons." You don't have the slighest clue of what you're talking about. Michelle Stone is hopelessly wrong on virtually everything she says. The fact that Joseph Smith was the man who started polygamy in Mormonism was well-known, widely discussed, and published in newspapers and legal filings beginning in 1842. Details of Smith's polygamy practice have been published in DOZENS of scholarly, well-researched books and papers over the last 80 years, beginning with LDS historian Fawn Brodie's "No Man Knows My History." Brodie, the niece of LDS apostle David O. McKay, and a degreed historian, was given free rein in LDS archives to study the original diaries, journals, letters, newspaper articles, etc. The fact that you think that Brian Hales is some sort of a dishonest villain who made all this stuff up is laughable. The reason Michelle Stone is able to fool people like you is that you haven't bothered to study the history for yourself. Michelle tells you want to hear (Joseph didn't practice polygamy), so you blindly trust in her. You are as hopelessly deluded as the average member of the Church of Scientology is about their wacky belief system.
@amypulley240
4 ай бұрын
Could Thomas Grover be claiming to have been sealed to the two Caroline's in the affidavit on that day? Not necessarily the date of him marrying them together? Like how people people are sealed to their deceased spouses after the fact.
@jenniferwallace8161
4 ай бұрын
That’s what I was wondering 🤔
@MichelleBStone
4 ай бұрын
Darn, I just wrote a long response to this, but it seems to have not saved... I'll try again. My husband and I were just discussing this last night. I wish I had addressed it in the episode. Here are my thoughts: There are a few reasons that I don't think we can explain away Grover's affidavit this way. First, the language in every affidavit is "married and sealed" and it is always interpreted to mean live marriage. If it could instead just refer to sealings by proxy after death, then people wouldn't consider these affidavits to be evidence of Joseph's polygamy, because the only records we have of sealings occurred in 1846, after Joseph had died. Since the language is always interpreted to mean live marriage, it seems very inconsistent to interpret this one differently now that we find the problems with the dates. I actually think it is likely that Joseph F. Smith used the "married or sealed" language to intentionally create wiggle room and deniability and to make it easier for the people to justify signing these affidavits because maybe some of them were sealed to Joseph by proxy, so they could feel a little less dishonest with that wording. But it seems quite clear to me that this affidavit was intended to support the idea that Hyrum performed a polygamist marriage in August 1843. Second, the wording "according to the principle and commandment contained in the revelation on celestial marriage," also poses a significant problem to this interpretation. Section 132 actually doesn't contain any language or commandment for proxy sealings for the dead. Tying this affidavit directly to the revelation on plural marriage makes it more difficult to claim it is simply about eternal sealings. The original section 101 (removed in 1880 when 132 was added) very clearly made provision for a widow or widower to remarry after their spouse died, but clearly decried any idea of polygamy or plural marriage, so combining the two things into one doesn't seem to work in light of the scriptural referenece. And third, Hyrum's April 8, 1844 sermons seems to completely eliminate this possibility of this interpretation. This sermon was intentionally scrubbed from history (they first tried to alter it to claim he had been sealed to two wives before deciding to just erase it completely.) Hyrum made it abundantly clear that his situation as a remarried widower was not to be used to support or justify polygamy. He was very intense about it. In fact, this was one of his main reasons for calling for the conference in the first place. This sermon was given 8 months after Grover claims he sealed him to two women, but Hyrum's sermons makes it clear that he would not have done either, and that he did not support either.
@amypulley240
4 ай бұрын
@@MichelleBStone thank you so much for that explanation. Very helpful!
@sherrijensen1575
4 ай бұрын
PS your "voice being silenced" is what this stronghold can do if allowed the power. You can stop it.
@DerekPayne1791
4 ай бұрын
Bill Reel is starting a new series this afternoon. No doubt he’ll just rehash all the works of malpractice from the LDS Historians he hates. BTW Michelle, it was a treat to see you in the wild on Saturday. Thanks so much for what you are doing. ❤
@allthingsarepossiblethruchrist
4 ай бұрын
Looks like news today... mockingbirds
@jaredvaughan1665
4 ай бұрын
Simon Peter, the President of the 12, was given the keys 🔑 in New Testament time. (Matthew 16:19) When Peter died, the keys passed to the next senior apostle, John. Which is why the Book of Revelation was directed to him. The President of the 12 still holds the keys today. In ancient times the First Presidency (Peter, James, John) was embedded within the 12. But today, the First Presidency normally is separate from the 12. D&C 107:24 states the First Presidency and 12 Apostles form a body equal in authority to one another. This is only the case when the First Presidency is dissolved. Otherwise the First Presidency has higher authority. When the First Presidency dissolved upon the death of Joseph Smith, there is only one body that had equal authority to the First Presidency: The 12 Apostles.
@jackiechoate6163
4 ай бұрын
Nowhere in the doctrine and covenant will you find that the first presidency is supposed to be dissolved. Sidney Rigdon was still alive and could function in the first presidency. Brigham essentially ran him out of town. Willford Woodruff was uncomfortable with the idea of dissolving the first presidency without a revelation. He reluctantly gave in. Thats why it took 3 years for Brigham to become President. The 12 were traveling counselors. They had no authority to govern inside established stakes of Zion. Nauvoo Stake President was still in charge and would preside even if a member of the 12 happened to be in town. Brigham changed that to get control after Joseph's death. If you read 107:26, seventies were equal in authority to the 12. So what does this mean then? I think they hold the same type of priesthood, but not necessarily the same keys. The 12 did not have the same keys as the first presidency. A highly suggest researching quotes that may suggest the 12 being in charge when the first prez isn't around and look at original sources. A lot was doctored after Joseph's death to make it look like the 12 were to be in charge.
@FleeingBabylon-Now
4 ай бұрын
That is not my reading at all. The center stake of Zion with William Marks and the high council held equal keys to the travelling 12 and the presidency. Section 107 just read further, 36"The standing high councils, at the stakes of Zion, form a quorum equal in authority in the affairs of the church, in all their decisions, to the quorum of the presidency, or to the traveling high council. 37 The high council in Zion form a quorum equal in authority in the affairs of the church, in all their decisions, to the councils of the Twelve at the stakes of Zion." Now the 12 travelling High held authority only where there were no organized stakes. The 12 apostles could not operate within a stake, could not call presidency of the stake, could not remove members of stake, and so on. That is why when councilors of Joseph like Bennett and Law were tried for membership it was in center stake of Zion. No not the 12 apostles, rather the stake presidency. The keys of presidency had nothing to do with the 12. They were held by Joseph Smith, Hyrum Smith and Sidney Rigdon. So when the Smiths were murdered there was still one member of the Presidency, Sidney Rigdon. There was no dissolving of the presidency at all. The keys of presidency were lost. Brigham had William Marks the stake president who could of had claim to lead driven out of town at threat for his life. Brigham had Rigdon excommunicated when he held no keys to do so. The only other with claim was Samuel Smith and he was poisoned to death a few weeks after the death of his brothers. James the brother of Jesus was the head of the church in Jerusalem. Joseph, Hyrum and Sidney were not part of the 12 travelling elders quorum ever. So the keys the presidency held were the keys of the presidency. Joseph still has them and will return to finish his work. Just read his two patriarchal blessings and Isaiah.
@Kristy_not_Kristine
4 ай бұрын
So much confusion regarding what keys are... they aren't about authority, they are keys of knowledge
@FleeingBabylon-Now
4 ай бұрын
@@Kristy_not_Kristine Don't engage the troll in this thread. Yes confusion is the word.
@jaredvaughan1665
4 ай бұрын
@@FleeingBabylon-Now 107 was written when there was only 1 or 2 stakes in the Church. And of course at that early time in Church history the 12 apostles was to focus more on missionary work than local stake matters. But by 1841 Joseph made it clear the 12 were to have more duties overseeing the entire church. Even the Reorganized Church has the First Presidency followed by their 12 apostles in their hierarchy. Stake leaders were local leaders. The 12 apostles were not. Why would the pattern of succession be any different from when Jesus left the earth and handed authority to the 12 in both New Testament and Book of Mormon times? True, Brigham Young like King David and Saul had major issues that led the Church/Israelites to stumble. But they were foreordained for the work. And they were what the Lord needed for the position at the time. Even if they were placed here for our learning what not to do in many cases. Still they were dominant strong leaders at a time where the members needed someone strong and dominant to hold the church/Israel together. I predict if it was not for Brigham Young the Church could have broken up into 50 small pieces.
@Luvtallhorses
3 ай бұрын
Watch David Alexander
@ajboyle
4 ай бұрын
Michelle, regarding the purpose of the High Council and section 102, the scriptural stated purpose of the High Council has been completely destroyed very recently by the church. This is devastating. I made a video on it last year, including explaining the purpose of the High Council when it was founded and how high councilors are now just glorified administrators. Here's the video: kzitem.info/news/bejne/xp9vtY6Qo5R2eagsi=usu8gijLgdXqF-jD In truth, a high priest (and thus someone on the high council) is supposed to be a man of God in every sense of the word. A real high priest is supposed to be called by the mouth of God--as happened at the Isaac Morley Farm in 1831. Not just ordained by someone who has the high priesthood. They are supremely qualified, called, and chosen. Yes, we can have pretend high priests, but without men of God things can never function properly. We're supposed to be so much better than worldly judges and juries, but in truth we fail miserably. And now the church has removed the jury.
@Kristy_not_Kristine
4 ай бұрын
It's amazing more women didn't come to Joseph directly to verify what these wicked men were claiming!
@randyjordan5521
4 ай бұрын
LOL. That's because a lot of those women were plural wives of Joseph Smith. DUH! Every church member who knew anything about polygamy said that they learned it from Joseph or Hyrum Smith. That includes the 80 or so people who accepted polygamy and practiced it, as well as those who rejected polygamy and opposed it, including Nauvoo Stake President William Marks, his counselor Austin Cowles, and Joseph Smith's counselor in the church presidency William Law. NOBODY in Nauvoo claimed that Brigham Young or anyone other than Joseph Smith originated polygamy.
@Kristy_not_Kristine
4 ай бұрын
@randyjordan5521 so many LIARS, as the primary source documents that we can now read for ourselves show. Michelle is doing a wonderful service since not all of us have the time to do this kind of digging. W Wonderful, isn't it! ❤
@Kristy_not_Kristine
4 ай бұрын
@WorkSmarter-2024 for sure! So many niave, trusting "silly women". The sad thing is that they are still in our midst. They don't know the scriptures and they believe the men who they perceive to be in positions of power. Instead of knowing for themselves what God commands in the way of morality and virtue. Very sad indeed. Gratefully, more and more primary sources are surfacing, like those shared in today's video, showing that some women DID understand the scriptures and could discern between truth and lies.
@littleredhen3218
4 ай бұрын
@@randyjordan5521 Every church member who knows anything about polygamy knows the old narrative that you so valiantly cling to. What is your payoff? How do you get compensated for the lies you reiterate? There must be some kind of reward.
@randyjordan5521
4 ай бұрын
@@Kristy_not_Kristine " so many LIARS, as the primary source documents that we can now read for ourselves show." LOL. Numerous faithful Mormon women continuted to testify to their dying day that Joseph Smith itroduced them to polygamy. As an example, I strongly suggest that you read Mary Rollins' Lightner's 1905 testimony. It's on the internet at "The Testimony of Mary Elizabeth Rollins Lightner." I suggest you not comment further on this subject until you've read her speech.
@sdfotodude
4 ай бұрын
I find it fascinating that you are still a member of the Brighamite sect of Mormonism
@littleredhen3218
4 ай бұрын
Try to look at it this way. There are only save two churches. The Church of the Lamb of God and the church of the devil; the great and abominable church the whore of all the earth. Unfortunately the devil's job is to go straight to the church of the Lamb of God and do his worst. They dwell side by side. The wheat and the tares. They exist , as it says in the allegory of the Olive tree in Jacob 5 & 6. The fruit which is good is laid up against the season and preserved by God. The rest, who deceive and are allowed to be led astray and become " wild" are eventually destroyed and burned at the last day. What you call the Brighamite sect is no longer. That started to die off when Brigham died. People need to stop attributing a wicked ruler as the head of a Church of God. He worked for the devil, then he died. His compensation is coming. That does not make all members of the church wicked or in agreement with his wicked practices. They stayed with the church because of their testimony in Christ and In the Book of Mormon. It is possible that there were enough good men, (not perfect), but trying to wade through the mists of darkness who eventually caught hold of the iron rod and steadfastly did their best and lived a good life. There were enough "good fruits" in the Q15 at that time to carry off the kingdom so to speak and correct and disband all of his false doctrines. It is by no means cleaned up. It is a continuous process because the devil won't cease and desist from his purpose of trying to destroy God's work here on the earth. It is hard for the people to let go of the false traditions of their fathers. But it is easy for the pure in heart to embrace and see with eyes that can see and ears that can hear the truth. The Book of Mormon is true. No question. It is the keystone of our religion. It truly testifies of Jesus Christ and teaches true doctrine of Christ. There are a lot of 'good fruit' in the Church. there is a lot of good fruit in every church. But unfortunately there is also a lot of bad fruit. That won't change until the millennial reign.
@HistoricalMonogamyDoctrine
4 ай бұрын
I am as well. The truth of Joseph’s monogamy is being brought to every denomination of Mormonism.
@sunshinegal4294
4 ай бұрын
I’ve always loved your informative videos and the light you bring. I must say I’m not liking your new mode of not looking into the camera and looking somewhere else.
@ronaldlowrey8817
4 ай бұрын
What a nonsensical criticism 👎🏻
@HistoricalMonogamyDoctrine
4 ай бұрын
She's been sick - for a while now. Maintaining deep train of thought while maintaining eye contact with a camera is difficult even when one is not sick.
@gwendolynwyne
4 ай бұрын
Also speaking from experience, looking directly at the camera is the hardest part of making videos, personally because the moment I put myself in front of a camera my mind goes blank and I can barely even remember any of my own ideas, let alone direct quotes from scripture and historical chronology or documentary explanation 😂🤷♀️ To be able to speak so coherently and with so much evidence just using notes as Michelle does, honestly is completely amazing🤯
@sunshinegal4294
4 ай бұрын
@@gwendolynwyne She’s always looked into the camera.
@gwendolynwyne
4 ай бұрын
@@sunshinegal4294 Oh I hadn’t noticed that she always has because I’m usually listening while I make dinner or do dishes/laundry, but I’m not surprised because she’s exceptionally gifted in her ability to translate her thoughts into language quickly and extemporaneously while on camera (which blows my mind). I only meant to add some context and color to the concept, hopefully she’s able to continue doing that💜
@whatsup3270
4 ай бұрын
Montrose Iowa was across the river so 15 minutes, and Joseph was commonly there as it was territory not state, and Joseph was hiding regularly from the Missouri law.
@whatsup3270
4 ай бұрын
Well I think the question was answered in the words "...from him..." similar to all other claims there is a "from him", "keys" or "revelation" so it is always Joseph, Joseph, or Joseph. And always only Joseph, until Brigham claims the the 12 inherited the powers thus polygamy was game on.
@sdfotodude
4 ай бұрын
I sense a court of love in your future
@whatsup3270
4 ай бұрын
I'm really struggling to understand the logic of this video given older videos saying no records of polygamy during Joseph's life, and the reports of others claiming they were excommunicated with out trial and thus they could not be excommunicated that way. And It appears the council referenced did not excommunicate the polygamous? Am I misunderstanding or does this video contradict the general theme of past videos? Maybe a follow up video is coming to explain this. I do hope you get well soon
@randyjordan5521
4 ай бұрын
The assertion that there were no records of polygamy during Joseph's lifetime is false. There is multiple documentation for it beginning in early 1842.
@CleanUpCongress
4 ай бұрын
There are no contemporaneous records for Joseph’s polygamy - none of his supposed wives wrote any journal entries, no marriage records, no neighbors recording women going in and out of the house (as Emily Partridge would claim decades later, for instance), etc. But there lots of contemporaneous records for other men’s polygamy, such as Brigham Young, John C. Bennett, Hiram Brown, etc. There are court documents, marriage records, and personal accounts for those. So if someone says there are no records of polygamy during Joseph’s life, I would assume they’re referring to records concerning Joseph Smith.
@whatsup3270
4 ай бұрын
@@CleanUpCongress That is just not correct there are series of Affidavits and newspaper articles The Expositor lays it out. And there are the writings of John C Bennet in various newspapers. And Martha Brotherton's account in print in Joseph's lifetime has Joseph directing her polygamy as a gift to Brigham. So there alone are multiple sources. Here is a single source for you: “First the widow Fuller, now Mrs Warren; ....In 1841, I saw the holy Joe [Joseph Smith Jr] in bed with the widow Fuller“ - John C Bennet New York Herald Sept 4, 1842 The article names other women who were involved or who rejected the offers. As Margaret Nyman, Miss Matilda Nyman It also references an affidavit of Mrs Shindle on the subject and claim that is published in the Herald May I suggest the families of these women reading this in the newspaper was a motive to march on the Carthage jail?
@DerekPayne1791
4 ай бұрын
@@whatsup3270John C Bennett conspired to have Joseph killed. 😅😂 May we call the next hostile witness your honor! 😅😂
@whatsup3270
4 ай бұрын
@@DerekPayne1791 John C Bennet was either the REAL Prophet or he told the truth. It is a clear fact John C Bennett told the future of the LDS, so either it was the present as he claims or he not Joseph told the future. (fyi- Joseph was prophesied as the end time Prophet, but not by Bennett, so there is another thing to deal with)
@gokuxt1
4 ай бұрын
@michelle stone. I can see how your personal agenda and personal views would make for questions that can only be answered by your the same mind set you have. You asked about why Joseph fought publicly and openly against people taking his name and try to practice polygamy, haven’t you read that he did this several times when un authorized plural marriage was practice and people were taking his name to convinced sisters to practiced it ? Also why would anyone would take his name and said we are to get married in a plural marriage when this was not even heard of or even practiced? As an example the nephites wanted to practice polygamy because they had as stepping stone what was done by David and Solomon. In like manner this un authorized people wanted to used what Joseph was teaching and practicing ( polygamy) to illegally practice such as practice. Also the keys of the priesthood are held by the twelve apostles but only the head apostles ( the prophet) can exercise and delegate those keys to others, when Joseph died Brigham young was then the senior apostle that supported the church as it was conducted by Joseph smith before his death. Just as the right of the first born this right of seniority can be taken away or skipped according to righteousness. Now I question for you. In percentage how much you believe in the Book of Mormon and doctrine and covenants ? How much you believe in all the prophets since Joseph till Russel m Nelson ? How much do you believe in the church ? This questions are pertinent and important for all your listeners so they know on what side of the fence gouging are leaning against
@holyroller4391
4 ай бұрын
I've watched some of your videos but the same thing is consistent with all of them. Circular logic. Joseph living polygamy, Joseph not living polygamy who cares. You people sorry to say don't have a clue about God or His culture. His standards don't change over time, but are constant. And yes the God that all you haters of polygamy is infact and endorses polygamy.
@johann7378
4 ай бұрын
God condemns it in book of Mormon. Book of condemns priest from making money from the church. The 70 and 15 make money. Young's lds don't follow book of Mormon in these requards. There is nothing morally wrong in book of Mormon. Also God doesn't tell people to be polygamist. The stories indicate there are problems in plural marriage.
@holyroller4391
4 ай бұрын
@@johann7378 there can be problems with it, and most of the time that's a true statement. God has condemned alot of polygamists, but he has never condemned polygamy, only how men have practiced it
@johann7378
4 ай бұрын
@@holyroller4391 Book of Mormon does condemn it. Bible doesn't. Point for me is joseph said all religions are false and condemns catholics do to falling apart while apostles were still on earth. Too many lies told and his haters including brigham young. I read what his scrib says and it's different from what haters say. I still don't see Bible endorsing polygamy. For me it's either joseph or catholic. Either their traditions are wrong then I question NT etc or catholic right and it's tradition with scripture. I'm trying to get someplace religiously. I don't want to mess this up. Book of Mormon is boring in many areas but I have questions there because in mine he copy and pastes things but I read his translation which lds don't or didn't acknowledge and it's different from NT. Not sacrilegious though. Why translate certain sections of NT to mean whatever and then latter write Book of Mormon section is kjv. ... it's less than a yr apart. He wouldn't. I think since lds Utah didn't have his translation they cut and paste it. Coc shouldn't have sold these Utah Mormons this copy bc they are a church that is built on not seeking truth. Example Monson had I am a Mormon campaign. Nelson pretty much gave same speech in 2018 as prophet as when apostle in 94. In 94 its rejected by Hinkley but as gods mouthpiece Mormon is a win for Satan. He said this in 94 and its rejected. Bring this up to a Mormon now and some will say not true it's always been bad. Utah Mormons are sheep of current and new doctrines. They whitewash and repaint historical canvas. I'm Mormon means I follow doctrines in book of Mormon. I'm not against Book of Mormon but inadvertently follow doctrines like Bible. Don't see an endorsement of polygamy in Bible though and since it seems not a great idea I'm ok with BOM saying it's evil essentially. BOM doesn't make evil good but Brigham young did.
@holyroller4391
4 ай бұрын
@@johann7378 if you want to talk I'd be up for it. I hate typing. Why are you looking for an organization? All the organizations have been corrupted, how do we know? Because they all teach falsehoods to one degree or another. Don't get your information from a group or consensus of popular thought. Get it yourself. The only way to do that is to be prepared to put down all of yours and everyone else's beliefs and align yourself with God and His word. Don't be stubborn but also don't be gullible. You aren't going to find anything worth searching for in the Catholic Church. I can fill you in about that churches corruption, but it's already historically obvious.
@holyroller4391
4 ай бұрын
@@johann7378 the apostles were dead three centuries before the Catholic Church came about. True the killed the christians, but don't confuse them with the apostles. And by the way neither book condemns it. Only some of the people who practiced it, that a huge difference
@MRRANDOMZ11
4 ай бұрын
The Faith Matters Podcast talks about this in detail the summary is that Joseph Smith & many others practised polygamy it was the lords will at that time it was a higher law it was not required by all the church members it was commanded by the the Lord to send spirit's to earth among the righteous Personally I have no problem when the lord gives a revelation to his people we should recive it with faith This history does not change my testimony or love for Prophet Joseph Smith nor the leaders of the past i cannot jugde them by my limited knowledge but this I do know they were led of God
@meridentoombs3840
4 ай бұрын
That is the church narrative, that JS practiced polygamy because they were commanded by God. No where, except section 132 does it say to take plural wives and 132 is so problematic. I can't imagine our loving God saying the things that are in there, especially the "hate" toward Emma. I believe Joseph when he said that he never had a plural wife.
@DerekPayne1791
4 ай бұрын
The early prophets and Section 132 right now in your personal copy sitting in your home says that Polygamy is required for exaltation. President Hinckley saying polygamy is not a doctrine of the Gospel either implicates the writers of Section 132 as liars or reveals President Hinckley as an apostate. The evidence is on the side of President Hinckley.
@eeka2466
4 ай бұрын
@Temporary-uv7yl Welp, we have a polygamist amongst us. Lets all swoon. Dude, you don't know your scriptures. And you have your faith below the waistline just like Brigham if you believe 132 is from Jesus Christ.
@jennyforyourthoughts
4 ай бұрын
@Temporary-uv7ylYour initial comment is so disingenuous. You purposefully made it sound like you never comment but made an account especially for this user, flattering them so they’d give more weight to your words…but you make fake accounts and delete them all the time lol.
@jennyforyourthoughts
4 ай бұрын
I also believe Joseph Smith was a prophet and that many practiced polygamy at that time. However, it does not automatically follow that Joseph practiced it or that it was a higher law. Brigham Young taught that monogamy (God’s original pattern of marriage) was evil, and that no one would enter the Celestial Kingdom unless they practiced polygamy. Brigham Young also openly taught that Adam and God were the same person. That some sins (like denying polygamy) were so bad that you’d have to be murdered to atone for them because the Atonement couldn’t cover them. BY also started the priesthood ban and said interracial couples would die on the spot. It’s okay to acknowledge that we’ve gotten things wrong in the past. It’s okay to hold to what we know (like the Book of Mormon and Joseph Smith) while also tossing out false traditions.
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