One thing I really appreciate about this version is the bleakness of life and the environment. Winston waking up and having to shave with a rusty razor was just so depressing to me.
@Patriot1428
Ай бұрын
It amazes me that the middle class, and lefty darlings want to make this a reality, these shelterd morons wouldn't last a week in reality, how ignorant they are, do they read any books or listen to survivor story's of communism
@BaseDeltaZero1972
Ай бұрын
The "new blades" he buys aren't much better if I remember the scene correctly. Crushingly bleak book and film - As they were intended to be.
@Cenindo
Ай бұрын
The Radford adaptation is in many ways definitive, but there are things I would have done differently. In particular, I feel the torment in the Miniluv is lacking in intensity compared to the harrowing impression I get from the book. The literary O'Brien is like a stormy god here, alternating between a sort of pseudo-friendly manner and the worst harshness imaginable. Burton's O'Brien looks almost bored instead. "Yawn! Another thought-criminal for me to reform. Must be Tuesday." Also, there is something rather too primitive about the surroundings. The instruments look crude, the walls are dirty and the whole scene is underlit (12:10). And as noted in the video, the scarily incomprehensible electronic torture device has been replaced with just an almost medieval rack. I would have preferred the Miniluv to look meticulously clean and uttely sterile, with harsh white light mercilessly illuminating everything. If there is one place in this deliberately primitive society where we could throw in some hints of real high-tech, it would be here. It is quite explicitly stated that advancing things like torture techniques and police espionage is the only "progress" the Party can tolerate and encourage.
@steruss9481
22 күн бұрын
I agree with you on this, while Truth should look tired and worn, Love should be clean room sterile.
@Eddy0000zzzz
19 күн бұрын
Interesting point bro
@RideAcrossTheRiver
Ай бұрын
Julia's look is "warm"? She looks hostile, suspicious, ridiculing, and animalistic.
@Houseofweird
Ай бұрын
Absolutely. For me, that's the genius of this scene. Her look could be interpreted as an attempt to stare Winston down.
@prof.badfellow9868
Ай бұрын
You've managed 5 valid points of criticism on a film that most of us here practically worship. My respect. As an aside, there is some creative content going around YT which basically depicts your average "daytime telescreen" in Oceania. It certainly adds some post content depth to the world of the Rutherford- er, I mean, Radford film.
@christopherhahn6728
Ай бұрын
It's been a while since I've seen the movie, but I think O'Brien does not ask Winston if he believes in God as he does in the book. I think this dialogue should have been included since it was part of O'Brien's efforts to break Winston down. Religious belief would have to be destroyed so that there could be no power above and beyond the party and therefore no hope outside the party.
@paulshri8609
3 күн бұрын
For a while, I thought Richard Burtons scariest role was in The Medusa Touch...then this movie came along...this version was as close to the book as was possible. Brilliant movie.
@OttoTheDoge
Ай бұрын
I was hoping for more scenes from Winston in the Ministry of Love in his cell. He met so many other captives in there and none were shown in the movie other than Parsons
@JagerLange
Ай бұрын
Duckspeak always makes me think of that Reeves & Mortimer character who'll just blurt out "QUACK" mid-conversation.
@willardsheen981
Ай бұрын
Re point number 1: I thought Winston's "false memory" of he, his mother and sister playing playing the board game was one of the most moving things in the book. That poor woman, with both her children starving before her, tries to alleviate their misery by playing a cheap little board game with them, and actually succeeds in bringing a tiny bit of happiness into their lives. You can sense her desperate humanity in that scene, which nonetheless is ultimately dismissed by Winston following his "conversion" by the Party. Regarding the Chestnut Cafe scene with Julia, I thought that was best done in the Peter Cushing version. Yvonne Mitchell as Julia looked absolutely destroyed in that scene, as though her time in the Ministry of Love had transformed her into a real human wreck. I thought the depiction of Julia in Radford's 1984 was less convincing in that scene.
@5eba115
Ай бұрын
I picked up on the lack of face crime in the canteen scene, as if that part was just missing from the book. To me it made the world less scary
@meiketorkelson4437
Ай бұрын
I think most of your points are covered by it being a different medium to the book. Things like face crime and memories of snakes and ladders are harder to pull off in a visual medium. We need that slight, subtle body language between them so we can read their action (for instance) as we can't get into their heads unless Winston is writing.
@adamt8255
Ай бұрын
The one area where the written word will always excel is in that it allows each individual reader to fill in the details of the text's world. There's just so much that can be put into a page that the screen can't always catch it all. An example of something trying to hard to adhere to the source is, da dada daaa, the 1984 Dune movie, it's very good but just has too much for the initiated viewer to take in.
@shindiru2
Ай бұрын
I interpreted a high-tech device being used in Winston's torture to simulate racking. But, I think they used actual racking in the movie because it looks more cinematic.
@torque9889
Ай бұрын
Hadn’t noticed these omissions or changes from the book but I suppose shows how good the movie was.
@NIL0S
Ай бұрын
Double quack good.
@ZENmud
Ай бұрын
Doublequackdoubleplusgood, Comrade
@rednemesis88
Ай бұрын
I just found out about this channel and I am quite glad that I have. I am a huge fan of the novel and love the movie. You know, when the average person thinks of the words "good movie" one tends to think of a film that inspires the more positive feelings of triumph or warmth or love. But then there are those movies that inspire the negative feelings like doom, despair, and outrage. I think that if the makers of a movie makes you feel that way and it was their intention to do so, then they have to be geniuses, because most people don't want to feel that way. That's how I feel every time I watch 1984: every time I do, it tears away a piece of my soul.
@mahatmarandy5977
Ай бұрын
The novel mentions that it’s simply not possible to monitor *all* the scores of millions of telescreens simultaneously and continually. He notes that there needs to be a physical set of eyes on the other side watching the screens to actually see something, so (presumably) there were a finite number of people who shifted randomly between the telescreens to spot something random. So you were probably not *always* being watched, but you were always *capable* of being watched, and you never had any idea when you were and when you weren’t. I would imagine being in a crowded room with a lot of people might seem slightly safer than any other circumstances, if you feel the need to explain their facecrime
@mahatmarandy5977
Ай бұрын
I liked that you randomly shifted back and forth between the various visual versions of novel
@Eddy0000zzzz
19 күн бұрын
Its similiar with circular prison design In the center of the circle guards watch the prison cells, the windows are tinted or reflective so you never know when the guards are watching you Metaphorically speaking same goes for the INGSOC state surveilance
@michaelminervini1908
Ай бұрын
I never saw the table as being a rack that was stretching him but that his arms were raised to give the viewer the feeeling of how helpless & vulnerable he was.
@ZENmud
Ай бұрын
[2] Lord of the Rings (Peter Jackson trilogy) included about 8 hours of combat/mayhem, and other than Gandalf v Bolrog (and Aragorn with The Dead), I could have suggested cutting out 4 hours of combat, via "flashbacks" or short narratives(?), to be able to include Bombadil & Goldberry, and other parts more pacific, and germain to Tolkien's deeper meanings.
@THX-jg8ze
Ай бұрын
I wonder how Ampleforth would have turned out if they had decided to include him.
@Amoremoreorereee
Ай бұрын
About films, based on 1984: Once, I was looking for a site where I could watch Radford's movie (THAT one), and I have found a RUSSIAN (!) movie made in 2023 (!!!) by some director Diana Ringo. I have watched all two trailers (I dunno if there are any English subs or/and dubs), and.... THAT'S SOMETHING, believe me.... ALL the decorations and special effects are made by AI, the dialogues are as absurd as they can be, and moreover, it's a mixture of "1984" and "We" by Zamyatin!!! What a thing... If you are interested, I can try to give you the links for the trailers (or, maybe, you can search it yourself) Thank you for your videos, they are really great to watch!!!
@theleastofpilgrims3379
Ай бұрын
I’d be interested in seeing the links for it. Perhaps you might upload a video reviewing it yourself if @1984 Lore doesn’t want to cover it. I would be down for that! :)
@garyturner5739
Ай бұрын
The entire thing was one large set up Winston I mean the brotherhood O Brian. Julia could of been part of it working for Thought Police. Before their relationship in the book he speculate if agent of them. Well if she was he definitely took the baits alright.
@allenwiddows7631
Ай бұрын
I always viewed the device in the interrogation room as something along the lines of “pain by nerve induction,” something mentioned in other works, such as the Box used in the gom jabbar test in Dune. Winston was afraid that his spine was about to snap because that was what his nerves were telling his brain, when in fact the spine was just fine.
@Asahamana
Ай бұрын
Honestly none of these matter to me: I got to see Shirley Stelfox topless and I was so Happy. Shirley was The first actress to play Rose Bucket in keeping with appearences.
@MrEW1985
Ай бұрын
The film had a too low budget. It needed some more grand scenes apart from the parts it follows the book
@brianrunyon266
Ай бұрын
A film I haven't seen as yet, but, I feel your points are valid. If possible, I might recommend some radio/audio adaptations of 1984 I've come across for you to give your opinions on, if you're able to find them.
@JohnWilliamNowak
Ай бұрын
I'll admit I've avoided seeing the film because it would be a bit too much for me. I do think Newspeak is probably unfilmable -- how do you make that work in a film, even though most of Newspeak is intelligible to an English speaker.
@THX-jg8ze
Ай бұрын
I think that for the uninitiated viewer, newspeak would have appeared more silly than frightening.
@timo191
Ай бұрын
Could Julia already be working on her "target" from the TP?
@jeffreysmith694
Ай бұрын
love this channel and the vids are really informative. sad to say but it's stuff that is actually going on all around us all the time. could u put all this content on a playlist. it would really be helpful for me as well as having all of your material together.
@michaelammons4965
Ай бұрын
What about no hate week? Such a major part of the book but not even mentioned in the film.
@stu8729
Ай бұрын
The part of the film adaptation that annoyed me was when Julia and Winston visit O Brian. In the book Winston volunteers the information that they wanted to go against the party whereas in the film adaptation O Brian starts that particular dialogue.
@ZENmud
Ай бұрын
The wildest aspect of this *film production* is that Radford obtained the rights from whomever (Orwell's heirs?), in late 1983, wacked out a script in three weeks, and shot* it between March and October 1984; in the film Radford inserted a note about "filmed in May and June of 1984". Including Beckton Gas Works (❤); [NB ~ used by Kubrick in "Full Metal Jacket"🎉] ... Radford filmed part of the prole scenes there. ❤ "Thought Police" seems to be the opposite of what gets built up in the TV series "Lie to Me*" (which appears on Tubi; 3 seasons), are your audience members familiar with that show? He helps Agencies and corporations to identify liars by their facial expressions; "Micro-expressions". The best part there, is when the "current liar" on screen gets compared to Nixon, or Clinton, or other prominent liars: all matching expressions or gestures. May be fiction, but those facial reactions seem universal, viewed from that perspective. Thus "the Thought Police" probably exist, in actuality, or will soon. ("Or will" re: Orwell?😅)
@Concreteowl
Ай бұрын
Electrocution means death by electricity. Not a very effective torture method.
@Maxfromohio2155
Ай бұрын
You should make a video about why big brother would do all of what he is doing. I know O’Brien said that bb is doing this for “power for the sake of power” but I don’t buy that
@palacehaunter5442
6 күн бұрын
BB does not exist
@Stibsart
Ай бұрын
I read the book when I was 12 in, aptly, 1984. I saw the film a couple of years later, and I was partially disappointed. The changes in scenes, the massive telescreens and other visual differences. But later on I came to think that maybe the film is actually better than the book. Orwell is my great hero. But not for his last novel, which I think has serious issues, not least his treatment of the working classes. The biggest change, I think, is the character of O'Brien. In the book, he's a vicious, seething fanatic. In the film, Burton dialled the character down (for the first time in his acting career) and makes him the double-thinking cog in a machine that he perhaps should have been on the page. Orwell should be remembered as a great man, but for his essays, not this novel, as good as it is. But, with its flaws, I honestly think the film flatters it.
@melvert33
Ай бұрын
One thing about Burton in this film which was his last, he was extremely ill from alcoholism at this stage, he died in 1984. I'd seen clips of the making of the film and unfortunately Burton could barely move, they had to use close ups of a stand in for arm movements. The film has a great cast.
@Stibsart
Ай бұрын
@melvert33 Thanks. I'd always wondered who's idea it was to dial it down. I honestly think its one of Burton's best performances.
@michaelminervini1908
Ай бұрын
Ironically, Winston had razor enough to shave his armpits. lol
@CaptainUnusual
Ай бұрын
There's actually a real world explanation for why Julia wasn't there and why that scene was so truncated. Richard Burton was very ill during that scene and was having trouble getting through it. It took like forty takes to get it done. Doing a more complete version of that as scene wasn't possible at that point. My main gripe with this version is that they leave out a lot of dialogue from the book unnecessarily. Perfect example is when Winston asks Julia how she knew the church rhyme, and instead of saying "my grandfather taught it to me" they have her say "I don't know, I just know it." There's a lot of that kind of character oversimplification and I don't like it. The 1954 version was better in at least that one way.
@palacehaunter5442
6 күн бұрын
Nonsense
@CaptainUnusual
2 күн бұрын
Which part? You're not going to answer of course because you're just a troll. 👍
@CaptainUnusual
2 күн бұрын
And even if you do, nobody cares, because troll.
@CtrlOptDel
29 күн бұрын
Yeah, but... It has a 24-year-old Suzanna Hamilton going full-frontal more than once... That's a not-insubstantial point in its favour.
@theleastofpilgrims3379
Ай бұрын
My love for this film is interfered with, but not suppressed, by stupid changes forced on the production by Richard Branson: washing out the colors in post production, and deleting most of the beautiful classical soundtrack by Dominic Muldowney and replacing it with dated, annoying 80s pop music by Eurythmics. There was a DVD released that featured a restoration of the original music and the other changes, in 2007, but unfortunately I don’t have it and haven’t been able to find it. If I could find that version, that would be truly special.
@paulklee5790
Ай бұрын
A lot depends on who you think is actually narrating the book… are they actually trustworthy or fully aware of the true facts…. They state things as actually and we accept them but perhaps they too are mistaken or even in denial…
@Justicsgenie
Ай бұрын
great video, i have question what do the outer party members have any free time and if so what kind of activities are they allowed to do and how much free time do they have
@garyturner5739
Ай бұрын
The background noise throughout this is creepy.
@MATT-2033
Ай бұрын
I saw 1984 a few months ago it was good. Hail Hydra.
@ZENmud
Ай бұрын
[3] I *appreciated* the sickening visualization of torture as being so painful (to my & others' eyes!) and a brilliant, forceful focus on this central aspect of Orwellian foresight. Our 40th anniversary viewing could be coming up on its release date ❤ this Fall? 🎉 Take note, @KZitem 😊 As visual Art, the use of fading the colors makes the exterior shots so very "communist Eastern Europe 1960s-70s" ~ this uniformly bleak rendering casts an emotional pall over we viewers: it IS a dismal life. I have a personal fetish for Beckton Gas Works; knowing the quality of films using its bleak relics helped me write a script for a "short film script contest" entry 🎉 about 10 years ago...
@communication001
Ай бұрын
"Let us all know in the comments!" I.e. Oh go on tell us everything about your view of why I've not understood this material. I so want to hear it and feel patronised and dismissed. Not! 😆
@arielhamm-flores6893
28 күн бұрын
anyone see the new Adam sander movie ?
@cyberpsychosis5367
Ай бұрын
This is the Stammer Labour government right now.
@ZENmud
Ай бұрын
Did Liz Truss pay you to write this? 👀🤪👀
@melvert33
Ай бұрын
I think the film is a bit of a confused mess, if you haven't read the book you wouldn't have a clue what's going on.
@garyturner5739
Ай бұрын
Well the book then.
@melvert33
Ай бұрын
@garyturner5739 I know but in terms of making a successful film you don't want it to hinge on hoping people read the book. Just that it could have been done better, it had a great cast.
@torque9889
Ай бұрын
Hadn’t noticed these omissions or changes from the book but I suppose shows how good the movie was.
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