I (from the other side of "The Pond") absolutely loved listening to Dan Maskell - he, along with his often-times partner, Ann Jones, was brilliant with his commentary - without talking too much! Mr. Maskell was a former tennis professional player himself - and, of course, Miss Jones (herself bright and articulate) had her own stellar career in the sport.
@gerardmackay8909
2 ай бұрын
I agree completely. Dan Maskell was of the ‘less is more’ school of commentary and he allowed the viewer to enjoy the match without the constant stream of drivel you get from some contemporary commentators I could mention. He was knowledgeable, insightful and famously did not miss a single days play at Wimbledon from 1929 until 1992 (he died in December of that year)
@tobiasisback4605
Жыл бұрын
Wonderful match, thank you. Those W finals of 82, 84 and 85 between Martina and Chris were of amazing quality.
@andrealupini6769
Жыл бұрын
And 1978
@tomogden9503
Жыл бұрын
Chris ❤ Thank you so much for posting this wonderful match. Hadn’t seen it since ‘85 but the memories came rushing back. Never seen Chrissie move as well and attack so much. If only she could have broken back in that third set... The quality of the tennis from both is epic. Also, so nice to have these matches with the old school BBC commentary. What a contrast to today’s prattlefests 🙈
@th8257
Жыл бұрын
Commentary is really something that has got a lot worse. We used to have commentators who were really steeped in the game at all levels and who could talk about the background, context and psychological undercurrents of a match. Nowadays we seem to have a lot of commentators who only seem to know the game superficially and fill the airtime with banal overreactions when someone hits a decent shot.
@markwhitman9029
Жыл бұрын
@@th8257 always liked Mary Carillon and Billie Jean now Chrissie is great. Disliked Joanne Russell
@markwhitman9029
Жыл бұрын
She had this 85 match but didn't attack in last two sets and Martina just took it from her. But I got so pumped with Chrissie's play in first set
@bryguy0111
Жыл бұрын
I guess it was an steady improvement but those returns was way too floaty at times ..you can how Graf and Seles ended up beating Martina even on grass they had low hard returns ..Chris were more about placement and were fantastic but not nearly enough on grass courts against martins
@jorgschwantje1239
10 ай бұрын
@@bryguy0111Chris has the best returns in the game. Even the Tennis magazine admitted that around the time.
@FlabbyTitmuss
5 ай бұрын
That first set is surely right up there as one of the best sets Evert ever played on grass (certainly in a pressured situation). Great match.
@diazmalcolm
11 ай бұрын
I must say Chris played really well here.....Those passing shots of hers were just immaculate! I must say that both of them are equals, though Martina remains my favorite.
@markwhitman9029
3 ай бұрын
Viewing this again and commenting. YES Martina played very well but I don't think I've ever seen Chris play this well and lose especially on grass. I wish Martina would have opted to rally with Chris here as she did at the French. IF SO Evert would have won her fourth Wimbledon! Props to Martina but very sad Chrissie did not win!
@HunterBidenCocaineBag
Жыл бұрын
Chrissie really got hosed on numerous line calls at Wimbledon. It's uncanny.
@aagold76
Жыл бұрын
Chris' last Wimbledon final- the 12 years between 1974 and 1985- she made the final 10 times, winning 3, losing 5 to Martina, 1 to Billie Jean and 1 to Evonne.
@patrickcleere7635
Жыл бұрын
Chris could have improved her speed serve hit her ground strokes harder been more aggressive and she would have won a couple more wimbledon's. She had the game to beat Martina great ground strokes superb passing shots and mental toughnesd.
@Petey8482
Жыл бұрын
Thank.you!!! Brilliant quality!
@Sully44JJ
Жыл бұрын
You are very welcome...I always try to upload best quality I can find!
@Petey8482
Жыл бұрын
@@Sully44JJ always dreamt of watching these matches, so greatly appreciated! Thank you!
@gstarjonny
Жыл бұрын
Wow what great quality! Thank you, I have this match but nowhere near as clear as this to be found! I could never understand why Wimbledon kept showing the 78 final when they did rain delay repeats when I thought this was their higher quality one. 1985 they were both at their very best.
@Sully44JJ
Жыл бұрын
@@gstarjonny Agreed, and their 1987 SF.
@Sully44JJ
Жыл бұрын
@@Petey8482 Very welcome!
@th8257
3 ай бұрын
1985 a bit of a strange year for Martina. After losing only 3 matches in 83/84, she lost 5 in 1985 alone (amazing for anybody else - but a shock in the tennis world given how dominant Martina had been), including two grand slam finals. Her losses were 2 to Chris, two to Hana (including an astonishing 7-6, 6-0 loss in March 1985) and one to Claudia Kohde Kilsch in a shock loss in the Canadian Open quarter finals, a few weeks after Wimbledon. She also lost the #1 spot for a while to a resurgent Chris. We didn't know it at the time but Martina only had two more years left before she lost the #1 slot permanently.
@jonathankieranwriter
Жыл бұрын
Chris had Martina down 0-30 in the third game of the second set and that was her big chance, but then she made three consecutive questionable shot-selections. She had a sweet down-the line backhand opportunity on her first chance to make it 0-40-she was completely in position for the pass-and then a very weak (but makable) lob attempt, again on the backhand side, given how closely Martina was crowding the net. If she had broken Martina in that game, I believe she would have gone on to take the set and championship, probably 6-4 6-4. But she blinked inexplicably at that crucial juncture in the third game of the second set and thereafter took her foot off the gas, second-guessing herself on a day when she had been playing lights-out, instinctively brilliant ball, otherwise. It goes without saying, Martina played superbly, but this was Evert’s match to win.
@markwhitman9029
Жыл бұрын
Great commentary! Yes to all you say and I don't think Chris ever played Martina this well at Wimbledon. Good Lord her serves were sharp her groundstrokes deep and she moved very quickly. Somehow she just let up
@CarloChapelle
Жыл бұрын
Nope. The coulda, woulda are nothing but wishful thinking. On grass or fast indoor surfaces, the better server and the more aggressive player usually wins. Evert, though she was more aggressive here than in previous years, was still not as good as Martina’s serving or attacking. Which explains why Chris never made another final at Wimbledon after this. Chris was and is still best on clay. While Martina’s game is tailor made for grass and fast indoor surfaces.
@lenwelch2195
Жыл бұрын
@@markwhitman9029 if you look how mentally fatigued Chris looks as she hit the winning volley to win the first set she looks mentally spent although physically in better shape than mental shape. She had gotten back her number one ranking by winning a dramatic French open that tires me just thinking how hard and long that match was. Then she plays brilliantly to win the first set and as she prepares to receive serve for the second set one wondered if she thought “ I gotta win another set “ oh no. She wanted to win but it had been a tough 6 weeks
@markwhitman9029
Жыл бұрын
@@lenwelch2195 overkill analysis. Chrissie was too tough for me to agree. She just let up and the superwoman Martina took advantage of this letdown. Chris had great opportunity to straight set her but not to be.
@markwhitman9029
Жыл бұрын
100% agree. Chrissie just let up and downhill. She should have kept attacking at least every other game and would have won. Never saw her baseline and net play so brilliantly as first set but went back to her powerful baseline play and boom Martina exploited that
@aagold76
Жыл бұрын
they were co seeded #1- Chris got back the #1 Ranking with her French win the month before, but Martina was the 3 time defending champ, 82,83,84... since they were in different halves, it technically didn't matter.
@sylvainhyais8166
4 ай бұрын
Superb match from both , less dramatic emotionnally than RG 85 final but outstanding technical quality, great variety of shots ,of course Martina has the edge on grass thanks to her serve otherwise it's pretty even.I love Martina 's supreme net game and Chris perfect lobs and passing shots
@lenwelch2195
7 ай бұрын
If Chris had believed she really could win this after winning the first set she would’ve won . Absent was her same drive shown at the French win just month before .
@aagold76
Жыл бұрын
glad you posted- do you have the whole match? There only one other 85 final on you tube and it stops at the beginning of the 3rd set.
@Sully44JJ
Жыл бұрын
I do not have the whole match.
@keithjacobson1640
8 ай бұрын
I wish Chrissie had been able to just win one more Wimbledon.
@leolight5369
Жыл бұрын
The quality is great. However I'm not a fan of the image stretching to make it 16:9. I think you should have kept the original 4:3 format.
@alanholmes4016
Жыл бұрын
Chris had three bad call against her in the last two games. And one earlier in the set. But as usual she was dignified.
@FlabbyTitmuss
Жыл бұрын
The call in the penultimate game was bad (Martina’s return looked out), but the other two were extremely close. Also Chris’ return at 15-0 in the last game looked out too but was called in.
@tobiasisback4605
9 ай бұрын
You Evertards constantly play the victims, it must be exhausting.
@paules3437
Ай бұрын
I always felt that Chris could have attacked Martina's backhand with approach shots. Chris was not, as we know, all that comfortable at net, but M's potential passing shots with topspin from the backhand side look very unreliable to me, and I think if Chris had pounded that side repeatedly, she might have won many more points. I think that if Chris had done that consistently, it might have had a psychological effect on Martina's notoriously shaky confidence. Anyone else?
@user-jv9qz2bu1r
Жыл бұрын
Typical Martina fan: look at those fine volleys Typical Chris fan: Man, she is fine!
@th8257
Жыл бұрын
I wonder if Chris regrets not lobbing more in this match, to push Martina away from the net. Martina seemed to be camped out at the net expecting the passing shots at times. Chris usually lobbed a lot more.
@markwhitman9029
Жыл бұрын
Yes she did lob more but not here. Her LOB best in male or women's game
@user-jv9qz2bu1r
Жыл бұрын
the same thing occurred to me - MV was all over that net and option no. 1 to me is a lob
@lenwelch2195
Жыл бұрын
No one hit the overhead better than Martina and in order to lob well even for Chris it had to be a offensive lob. It’s difficult on grass because the ball bounces low and you have less time to hit the stroke. On clay,Chris had that extra split second to hit it .
@BTURNER1961
Жыл бұрын
@@lenwelch2195 I agree. Its really difficult to disguise your lob on grass if the ball bounces low ( its your first and best guess as a net rusher anticipating, and you expect it) and likewise if you are pushed too far back behind the baseline, a player as mobile, and agile as Martina has just enough time to react and backpedal a step or two. You really need enough time to plant your feet, and disguise it, to lob Martina well.
@th8257
Жыл бұрын
@@lenwelch2195 Chris was certainly capable of doing that, as illustrated by the lob at 12:12 - Even if it wasn't successful, it has its value in that it creates an element of doubt in the opponent. If they know the lob isn't coming, they can sit on top of the net. If there's a danger they'll get lobbed, they hang back, opening up more angles for the passing shot.
@th8257
2 ай бұрын
I wonder who Martina now regards as her toughest ever opponent. I know that many years ago she said it was Billie Jean King as Billie "knew how to pick her game apart".
@paologonzato5202
Жыл бұрын
I thought about the reason so many people Is on Evert side on 80% even today,in my opinion Is why Chris was the Classic girl's Next Door while Martina was lesbian and never had fear to show her personality.Never mind Martina,you have been the greatest of all time and absolutely stronger on your best than Chris.And I mean It
@outofhere7623
Жыл бұрын
I like the bbc commentators much better, they weren’t biased and I don’t have to listen to Bud Collins defending “Our Chrissie” to no end.
@mattliechty1269
Жыл бұрын
No two players had such highly consistent, quality competition for so long. If they had been playing at their peak in other eras, or simply played all the Grand Slams in their own era, they each would have won way more than 24 GS.
Chris just held back when she was ahead. She should have stuck to the aggressive way she started. Numerous chances to take the net away from Martina and she held back. This match was Chrissies to win
@cush6827
11 күн бұрын
Nah. The rea of housewife tennis was coming to en end. This was already Graf's second year at Wimbledon. Navratilova was the only one from the pre-Graf era to keep up for a while.
@yussepig6629
11 күн бұрын
@cush: you’re an imbecile who has no idea about tennis and the era of wooden rackets and different strings and courts that these ladies had to adjust from.
@paologonzato5202
Жыл бұрын
And then take a look how Martina embrasses Chris,JUST ONE MONTH BEFORE,After losing a memorable French Open final:Martina was truly Happy for Chris...can you Say the same thing watching how Chris shake hand to Martina at the end??
@bar78de
Жыл бұрын
When both players were seeded 1
@AngelaCadnum-ue8ic
Жыл бұрын
Mann hört viel Husten und der commentary man sound als hätte eine Zahnstange mit keiner Bewegung!! Danke für ein wenig Genuss von London!! 🙃🙃🤭😉
@paologonzato5202
Жыл бұрын
Martina made so SPECTACULAR volleys,brilliant and difficult tennis but I don't really understand why the 80% of the crowd was Always on Evert side,here at WIMBLEDON and of course at the US Open,making noise when Martina was serving.Very very unfair,and also unfair the fact that Evert never said nothing about that during interviews,NEVER Means during their rivalry and today.The were friends I mean,Navratilova Always smiled at Chris when Chris ended match with a victory.get a look when they shake hand at the end...Chris don't Watch Martina in the eyes.SHAME!!
@rivaridge7211
Жыл бұрын
Hello Paolo, Yes, I fully agree that there was a somewhat of an anti-gay element involved (against Martina) during this time period of the Chris and Martina rivalry, but it is hardly the entire story. Chris, at this time, was married to John Lloyd, who was the number one ranked British tennis player in 1985. Chris was seen by many, back then, as an "adopted Brit." Of course, any crowd would cheer on one whom they saw as their own.
@Dbdbe1
Жыл бұрын
They weren’t always friends. You omit the way Martina treated Chris when Nancy Lieberman was about. Not pleasant at all. And of course there was anti-gay prejudice about, no question; equally Chris was a crowd favourite almost always at this stage of her career.
@traceww
Жыл бұрын
get over yourself.
@paologonzato5202
Жыл бұрын
@@Dbdbe1 I don't know the meaning of what you write to me"when Nancy Lieberman was about".Please can you Tell me?thanks a lot.ciao👍
@rolandgreen7484
7 ай бұрын
Martina was the favorite against everyone, including Evert, during this period, especialy at Wimbledon and to a lesser extent the US Open. Of course the crowd would cheer for Evert, expecting otherwise is to not understand how audiences typically function. The only exception is when you are a huge fan favorite like Roger Federer.
@BTURNER1961
Жыл бұрын
So often post 1983 in this rivalry, Evert ended up having her serve broken early in the third set. She almost never won those matches. Martina was just too strong, too confident once she got her nose ahead in the final set. The only exception I can think of, was the 1986 RG final when Martina got to 2-0 in the final set and still lost.
@dreman1970
8 ай бұрын
Martina totally dominated Chris at Wimbledon....chris only beat her in 1976 and 1980.....before Martina hit her prime....as a matter of fact she dominated Chris overall in grand slam matches....
@tobiasisback4605
26 күн бұрын
Yes, Martina led 10-4 in slam finals
@th8257
Жыл бұрын
interesting to see how the game has moved on. Martina wouldn't be able to get away with spinning in some of those serves. Even just a few years later, someone like Monica Seles would have murdered them. Such a shame though that Martina's serve and volley game is now pretty much extinct.
@paologonzato5202
Жыл бұрын
Everybody says It's a shame that a player like Martina Is now extinct but the Truth Is that when Chris and Martina use so often to play each other,the 80% of the crowd and people Who comments here was and so now Is on Evert side.
@CarloChapelle
Жыл бұрын
Wrong. Martina adapted and improved her serve that is why she was still competitive with Seles and Graf in the 90’s despite being 36 years old. Evert on the other hand, with her mediocre serve and defensive baseline game would have been whipped by the powerful base-liners like Seles, Graf, Capriati had she stayed and competed. She couldn’t even beat Sanchez and Sabatini in 1989 and she knew it. Thus, the retirement.
@th8257
Жыл бұрын
@@CarloChapelle that's kind of my point. did you actually read what I said? Martina had to adapt. She could get away with it with Evert here. She could not get away with it with Seles.
@CarloChapelle
Жыл бұрын
@@th8257 But it was not Martina’s style (all court game) that got hammered by Seles. Her serve speed, movement speed and power on her ground strokes diminished because of age. When she was competing with the Graf, Seles and other power players she was way past her prime. And yet, she still managed to beat Graf and Seles with her “diminished” game. My point is that if she were at her prime, She’ll be even be more competitive with the Seles and Graf. Because at her best or prime she had an overpowering lefty first serve, good second serve, penetrating volleys and her movement was primo. And as she said, pace never bothered her. It was the physical recovery between matches and her slowed movement that did her in when she was around 36-37.
@tobiasisback4605
Жыл бұрын
@CarloChapelle Exactly right. People forget that the age gap between Navratilova and Seles - 17 years - was the same as between Navratilova and Maria Bueno. Imagine a 37 year old Bueno competing against peak Navratilova - she wouldn’t get more than a game or two! Yet people expect a long post prime Navratilova to be competitive with peak Graf and Seles. The fact that she was (beating both within a few weeks of each other in 93) is truly amazing.
@markwhitman9029
Жыл бұрын
Hated when Martina applauded her shots with racquet. Full of herself. Chrissie played very well sad she lost
@leolight5369
Жыл бұрын
She didn't play as well as expected in sets 2 and 3. Got a little tight. I mean she only lost 16 games during the previous 6 rounds, that's an average of 2.6 games lost per match. But then again it's Martina on grass...
@markwhitman9029
Жыл бұрын
@@leolight5369 I know that but Martina, who I respect now but didn't care for her during the 80s was just so hard to beat because she played like a man. Chrissie was playing superb that first set and really had her chances Chrissie was serving well and moving so quickly but just didn't keep it up!
@aagold76
Жыл бұрын
Martina did that because the crowd barely was applauding half her shots- it was sarcasm at the crowd not self-indulgent. Let's be honest- Martina hit some spectacular shots, but the crowd was usually for Chris so they didn't appreciate them as much as they should have. Even if it was self-congratulatory- it's considerably more subdued than the fist pumping, 'COME ON/VAMOUS' screams the players do today.
@markwhitman9029
Жыл бұрын
@@aagold76 Oh yes I agree today's players annoy me. Martina was brilliant but Chrissie, always the modest slayer never would have applauded a great shot!
@aagold76
Жыл бұрын
@@markwhitman9029 when she won the first set of the 84 US Open Final- she gave a fist pump... Chris' strength was all internal and she's said it was to intimidate her opponents with her icy demeanor but that the cauldron inside was a raging inferno. At a young age, her father told her to cover it up to confuse her opponents- how she'd swear and throw rackets when she was young. (Watch the documentary on her rivalry with Martina- 'Unmatched'). A lot of Martina's was more to get herself going.
@paologonzato5202
Жыл бұрын
From 1980 to 1988 Martina won 37 of 50 matches played against Evert,that Means 37 to 13 even when Chris was a Better player than She was until 1979.from 1973 to 1979 Chris won 24 matches and Martina only 6(2 Wimbledon finals).And so?Who has been the greatest between them??bye bye
@BTURNER1961
Жыл бұрын
Why do you cherry- pick the dates and the data? If your case is good and you are confident, you just talk about their careers, not pieces and slices of them or some years but not others, or some opponents but not others, or some head -to heads, and not others.
@outofhere7623
22 күн бұрын
A few weeks prior, Chris beat Martins at the French Open, Martina gave her a big hug even though she lost. Here, Chris lost but only gave Martina a curt polite handshake, just shows what a sore loser she was.
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