And dealers wonder why the public don't trust them.
@REDZ28won
Жыл бұрын
Because 95 percent for dealers don't do this kind of stuff. I have worked for dealers for over 40 years. They get a bad Reputation because of a few bad Apples!
@FighteroftheNightman
Жыл бұрын
@@REDZ28wonrofl. Entire industries don't get their bad reputations bc of 5%. They get it bc stuff is so pervasive in the industry it's considered normal
@alexmo1941
Жыл бұрын
@@REDZ28won😂 Dealership employee says that dealerships aren't corrupt who would have thought
@allaboutroofing2
Жыл бұрын
@@alexmo1941I find his perspective credible and agree that there are many reputable dealers and a few bad apples give the industry a bad name. Same is true with police and look how many people hate them or distrust them blanketly.
@REDZ28won
Жыл бұрын
@@alexmo1941 Ya, don't ask a person who actually sees what goes on everyday at the places I have worked! What would I know , right?
@phlodel
Жыл бұрын
Only 400 crimes? That must be a low volume dealership.
@scrappy7571
Жыл бұрын
For sure low volume. Dealers that I have worked at, 400 crimes would be one month lol.
@george2113
Жыл бұрын
Statute of limitations
@SeanBZA
Жыл бұрын
@@george2113 Or things that they can prove from DMV paperwork with full confidence.
@daleallen7634
Жыл бұрын
@@george2113: "STATUE": A carved or cast figure of a person or animal, especially one that is life-size or larger. STATUTE: A written law passed by a legislative body. e.g.:"violation of the hate crimes statute". 🙂
@george2113
Жыл бұрын
@@daleallen7634 a single t
@khrfx4715
Жыл бұрын
Yet another example of a two-tiered justice system. All these current and former employees did not decide to break the law in a vacuum. I refuse to believe they did this without the knowledge and approval of the dealership owners and managers.
@davidsilvercreek8541
Жыл бұрын
Sounds like a Flow dealership...
@walterbkeen
Ай бұрын
In this case it likely doesn't matter. The dealership's name is now mud and no one is going to have anything to do with them. They've probably already filed for bankruptcy as it's impossible to screw over that many people and still expect to have customers.
@alaskansummertime
Жыл бұрын
Its amazing how many employers over the years have wanted me to break the law. Drive a CDL truck with faulty equipment and no registration. Telling me to rip off customers on a move. Install appliances in such a way they could start a fire and kill an entire family. I guess this is why I've been poor my whole life. You can live a moral life or get ahead but to make money honestly is a long hard slog. Ten years I've been building my nursery business and still live at starvation levels. But at least I have my dignity.
@ronvalley1973
Жыл бұрын
"...his clothes are dirty, but his hands are clean, that's the way it's always been, I said row...jimmy roe...gonna get there I don't know...." grateful dead song.
@keezjordan1619
Жыл бұрын
Your not alone. I have a job if I was dishonest I would be financially OK but I am a good person so I also am starving.
@Hatbox948
Жыл бұрын
It could be worse. John the Baptist had to eat locusts.
@jpnewman1688
Жыл бұрын
You could have learned to be a BANKER where your hands are really clean while creating fiat 💵💵 out of NOTHING.. 😂😂
@SpoonHurler
Жыл бұрын
You, my friend, might be broke but you are not poor. Definitely not poor in character, I hope life gets better for you but never stop doing the next right thing.
@sawyer4981
Жыл бұрын
I wish someone would do this for bank executives. They might actually follow the laws if they went to jail when they violated it instead of giving a miniscule portion of the profits they made off their crime back to the government as a "fine".
@randomdude5938
Жыл бұрын
They do follow the laws. They own your representatives so they write the laws to protect their predatory behavior.
@jeromethiel4323
Жыл бұрын
The government isn't interested in justice, they just want to get paid. Think about why it's always a fine, and the fine goes to the government, more often that it goes to the injured parties. There is no incentive for the fed or state governments to do anything but fine, fine, fine. After all, if you only steal a little, then the person can be stolen from again. If you take too much, they go out of business, and then you cannot rob them anymore.
@jpnewman1688
Жыл бұрын
Just keep VOTING then HOPE for CHANGE.. 😂😂
@alexdrockhound9497
Жыл бұрын
@@randomdude5938 insurance companies too (health, home, car, all of them)
@sawyer4981
Жыл бұрын
@@randomdude5938 No they do not. Wells Fargo opened an account under my name without my express written consent, which is a direct violation of the law. They do illegal shit like this all the time, and profit billions and billions from doing so. You must be a banker benefiting off the criminal money coming in if you think they're doing everything legally.
@davidclough3951
Жыл бұрын
I know a guy that worked in waste water department of the local beef plant. He told me quit mainly because they wanted him to do something in which the company wouldn't be punished, but he could face 5 years in prison. He is one of 3 people I know that worked there in that department. All 3 left around the same time. End of story.
@MeRia035
Жыл бұрын
Oh dear lord. That's enough to make one feel ill. And that's just one plant of the industry 🤢 Thanks for sharing your story 👍
@Moosetick2002
Жыл бұрын
Asking people to do something illegal, it in itself illegal. There is no asking someone to do something illegal and a business being free from liability. End of story.
@waterbottle4782
Жыл бұрын
I am not surprised that there are people committing crimes at car dealerships, I am surprised that some are finally being charged criminally.
@dimesonhiseyes9134
Жыл бұрын
The thieves don't like attention being brought down on them.
@BigMoney23223
Жыл бұрын
That’s why they call them “stealerships” nearly every dealership I’ve worked for was dirty in one way or another.
@UncleKennysPlace
Жыл бұрын
I (and several family members) worked for a large dealership chain for more than a decade. I saw not one dirty thing; when my division was sold off, the shaky biz started, and I left. And by left, I mean I was fired for not doing hinky things.
@FighteroftheNightman
Жыл бұрын
@@UncleKennysPlacewhat's more likely is you were desensitized to the shady stuff. There aren't any non shady dealers. It's just a matter of how often and how bad the shadiness happens.
@dangeary2134
Жыл бұрын
I worked alongside of, but not a part of, a used car dealership. I would not describe the guys as shady, I worked rather closely with them. They would bring me cars to inspect when they came back from the auctions. I had a standard list of what I would check for potential issues, and if something wasn’t right, I would repair it. There were a few cars that came in that would have been too much to justify repairs, and they would send it back to the auction. One day, a family had just bought a minivan, and the left CV shaft pretty much exploded under the car. I did the standard work of replacing it, and also replaced a broken pulley on one of the accessories. 24 hours later, I’m towing it back to my shop. For free! I stood behind my work, and I’m all prepared to eat this. Meh. Yes, the shaft exploded again, and…. The pulley is broken again??? No way. Some more inspection, and I just happened to spot a fender brace that was bent, when it was supposed to be straight. Pulled out THE BIBLE for that mark, model, and year. I had my parts runner start reading measurement points on the sun frame, and EVERYTHING was off! I called the owner, and called the dealer that sold it, who was two blocks away. We met up, I showed them what I had found, and told them that the car had been in a wreck. We had no Carfax back then, we were on our own. The dealer turned to the customer and said, “Come to the lot and you can have your pick of anything on the lot.” I towed the van to his lot for free after hearing that!
@jpnewman1688
Жыл бұрын
Did you know car sales people are rated only below politicians for trustworthiness, from the bottom up?? 😂😂😂
@me8042
Жыл бұрын
What do you call an honest dealership? Nonexistent.
@RLKmedic0315
Жыл бұрын
I live right near Charlotte NC and not too far from Shelby. There is a famous local case of a car dealer called "Courtesy Auto Sales" that was located on a major road heading to downtown (Independence Blvd, for anyone familiar with Charlotte). They had a ton of commercials on TV back in the late 80s and early 90s. They always had the owners dog in them, sometimes in the car, or on the hood, roof or sitting next to it. They also advertised a different discount, always shown while the dog was on screen It turns out that the major business being conducted was selling drugs. The position of the dog showed what was for sale, and the "discount" was related to the price of the drugs. So, if the dog was on the hood, cocaine was available at the price listed under the dog. (I do not remember any of the actual details as to what meant what) It was HUGE news when they all got arrested and the scheme was detailed in the newspaper. I was in highschool and everyone was talking about it, the commercials were very well known. Oh, almost forgot. The dealer had the catch phrase of "WE'RE DEALIN'" which was apparently true twice over, lol.
@MeRia035
Жыл бұрын
Wow. Very clever but sickening at the same time
@MonkeyJedi99
Жыл бұрын
I hope the dog got a better forever home!
@TheRealScooterGuy
Жыл бұрын
@@Jack_Russell_Brown -- There is a Subaru dealership in my area that pushes their connection to dogs in most of their ads. They often do deals where if one buys a car, they make a donation to an animal shelter, and they have a small dog park on their property. They've had free vaccines for dogs and other special events as well. It's all tastefully done.
@justinhubbs5716
Жыл бұрын
Man those were funny as hell that dude was a trip.
@josephjames259
Жыл бұрын
I remember those commercials on tv in the 1980s. Had no idea what was going on until I saw your post.
@walpoleandworcester
Жыл бұрын
Car salesmen and dealerships ripping people off? What a shock!
@jpnewman1688
Жыл бұрын
So what's your problem with capitalism?? 😂😂
@bsmythe3214
Жыл бұрын
@@jpnewman1688 The Soviets never screwed anybody over...
@jpnewman1688
Жыл бұрын
@@bsmythe3214 so you think they were commies? 😂😂😂
@MonkeyJedi99
Жыл бұрын
In other news, water is wet.
@nashua9784
Жыл бұрын
Actually I heard water itself isn't wet but it makes other things wet. Lol
@TheTransporter007
Жыл бұрын
The 400 charges, are the ones that the ADA thought would actually stick, think about that!
@SeanBZA
Жыл бұрын
Hoping one of them will turn state witness, to have the rest of the charges they have piled up stick, and pull in the owners and rest of management there. First to rat out gets that "keep out of club Fed" ticket, the rest get orange coveralls for uniform.
@bobbylittle6996
Жыл бұрын
Hasn't worked that way in years. DA's are using the tactic of padding charges in hopes of scaring you into a plea deal. Even if 75% are bogus. An they wonder why people hate there guts.
@Troy_Built
Жыл бұрын
I doubt it. They like to pile up as many charges as they can think of to get one to flip. That is exactly how they got mob guys to start flipping on each other. Who is going to risk 100 years in prison covering for someone else?
@TheWatcherxx99
Жыл бұрын
Some DAs can pull charges out of their rear especially if they are politically motivated
@TheRealScooterGuy
Жыл бұрын
@@TheWatcherxx99 -- This doesn't sound like a politically motivated case. (Or were you trying to make political commentary about another, more famous case that is going on right now?)
@AeroGuy07
Жыл бұрын
I bought a truck that had been wrecked, rebuilt and issued a salvage title. It ended up at a small used car lot, then proceeded to change hands a dozen times between three different dealers for about 6 months. At some point the salvage title became a clear title again. Title washing. Coincidentally, the 3 different dealers were all owned by the same guy.
@jpnewman1688
Жыл бұрын
You can't blame the guy for doing his best to follow capitalism.. 😂😂
@TheRealScooterGuy
Жыл бұрын
Were they transferring it, or just displaying it on different lots to see if they could get a bite?
@Travelingman724
Жыл бұрын
I bought a brand new Jeep from a Colorado Jeep dealer in 2021. I financed it thru a credit union. They dealership was slow getting the title work done but I wasn’t in a hurry until I tried to get another vehicle financed and the credit union refused until they had paperwork showing them and lien holder on the Jeep. I called their finance dept to get this resolved and the finance guy told me it wasn’t his job to handle this. These people passed blame around so much without anyone actually trying to resolve it. I finally got the dealership owner to call me and get something done.
@darrell3643
Жыл бұрын
Think of how many people were hurt before something was "kind of" done. He'll still be in business.
@jimd421
Жыл бұрын
I bought an RV from general RV in. Paid for and didn't get phase change Installation and the sales manager lied to me that it was on there when it definitely was not the factory's confirmed it's not. I got cheated out of just short of a $1000 plus now the rv doesn't have the insulation I ordered. This dealer has been caught doing several other things. According to a tv stationand Utah. This is a dealer that I think should lose their license period
@maramcmanus9669
Жыл бұрын
My sister just went thru this. Bought a lightly used 4WD car from a large, established subaru dealership, trading in a pristine, very expensive truck with nominal mileage which promptly sold. Went to the dmv to register the new car only to find the dealership didn't own the car and did not have title, so she could not register or legally drive it. Dealership took the new car (which she now had a loan on) and gave her a beater/loaner until the situation was resolved, but had the nerve to charge her a security deposit. They then spent weeks dodging her calls and taking no action until i got my lawyer involved on her behalf. She had the title in less than a day after that. Unbelievable the lengths people will go thru to steal. Its devastating to the victims and totally unconscionable, but in this case it was the title manager and salesman who were culpable. Owner and manager didnt know anything about it.
@chriswalton720
Жыл бұрын
Failure to transfer titles of cars after sale typically indicates not a plot to rip off the customers, but rather a larger scheme to rip off the dealership’s own bank. The titles are being held back so the vehicles stay on the dealer’s books as collateral for loans. The sheer number of charges against employees tells me that prosecutors are looking for employees willing to rat out the owners or managers for financial fraud.
@christophero1969
Жыл бұрын
Very astute.
@hotlavatube
Жыл бұрын
Steve has also often mentioned that dealers will hold off on reporting sales so they can delay paying state sales taxes. Sounds like there's grift at every opportunity for a shady dealer.
@jaimereyna7993
Жыл бұрын
I think this was the case with Cartopia of Kyle,Texas that took over 90 days to get a title to us after paying off the vehicle - past experience was 2 weeks at most - we put our foot down and they coughed it up. I wonder if both dealerships were mostly selling to immigrant folk from Latin America whom are not familiar with consumer protection.
@EASTSIDERIDER707
Жыл бұрын
I worked for a guy who had been I sales for a shady VW dealership in the 70’s. Coincidentally we both bought our first car from a stereotypical salesman named Tommy Thompson he wore hit polyester and plaid jacket. Rodney Dangerfield copied the wardrobe in Caddyshack.
@craigpridemore7566
Жыл бұрын
An aquaintance of mine, years ago, traded his car in to a dealership and 2 YEARS later, Ann Arbor police called him and said HIS car was used in a robbery. "I don't own that car and haven't for 2 years!" "You need to come in and PROVE you no longer own that car." "No, I'm going to give you the name of the dealership I traded the car in to and you're going to follow up with them! I'm innocent until proved guilty, not visa versa!"
@pasques
Жыл бұрын
How would they know it was his car unless they have the plates or the VIN? Once you transfer the car, you are responsible for disposing the plates. And obtaining the VIN is impossible unless the police actually get a hold of the car, which means they most likely got the criminals. What most likely happened is they were hoping to find out why the car may not have been transferred properly, either they wanted to catch him as part of the crime or he sold the car in appropriately.
@garoz1895
Жыл бұрын
Not all states surrender the plates, just recently Oklahoma required you to keep the plates but they use to go with the car when you sold it. No where in his comment did he insinuate where the car ended up. I'm sure they caught the "robbers" along with the car.
@91CavGT5
Жыл бұрын
Many years ago my dad traded in a van at a big local Chevy dealership. A few months later he got a parking ticket in the mail from California(he lives in Texas). The dealership never changed the title which is what caused this to happen.
@rungfang27
Жыл бұрын
Some states the plates belong to the csr, unless they are specialty plates
@Anne--Marie
Жыл бұрын
Ann Arbor cops used to be horrible.
@echomande4395
Жыл бұрын
Manufacturer direct car sales should be legalized everywhere.
@jpnewman1688
Жыл бұрын
Yup.. Let's keep VOTING then HOPE for CHANGE.. 😂😂
@91CavGT5
Жыл бұрын
I filed a complaint with the state of Texas over a year ago in regards to a car dealership who sells German branded cars(NOT BMW or Mercedes) in Waco. I have concrete proof that the dealership scammed me by changing paperwork AFTER paperwork was signed. The state of Texas have followed up with me a couple of times to say that they have found fraud and are continuing to investigate at this time. This kind of thing happens more often than people know.
@dimesonhiseyes9134
Жыл бұрын
Had a stealership change banks and loans on a car I bought because he got more commission. I was kinda pissed but I was already planning on transferring the loan to a different bank for a lower introductory rate anyways. I probably should have pressed more out of spite.
@newnormal1841
Жыл бұрын
The head person is responable accountable Head knows Enchourages, promotes, enables, supports, protects. The system 🤺💐
@TheHypnoManNation
Жыл бұрын
Employees of a Car Dealership being Crooked is Something that Parents would Warn Their Children about when I was growing up....🤔
@gordonshumway7239
Жыл бұрын
Don’t tell my mother I sell cars. She thinks I’m a piano player in a whorehouse …
@TheHypnoManNation
Жыл бұрын
@@gordonshumway7239 Your Secret is Safe with Me....😎👍
@jpnewman1688
Жыл бұрын
Did your parents teach you not to trust cops, judges, lawyers, preachers, politicians, BANKERS, CEOs, doctors, generals, kings, queens, media, etc..?? 😂😂😂
@OneWildTurkey
Жыл бұрын
@@jpnewman1688 Believe it or not, back in the day, people learned how to judge other people's character. Before professionals got SOOO good at acting, it was a lot easier. Today, people are cancelled for 'judging' someone else yet whine when they're screwd.
@jpnewman1688
Жыл бұрын
@@OneWildTurkey really?? So you didn't know those narcissists/sociopaths/psychopaths have been running the shit show for thousands of years since they tend to be charming, good looking, well-dressed, well-spoken, and often appear powerful/wealthy?? 💯💯
@Fuxy22
Жыл бұрын
The fact the dealership wasn't charged seems a bit sus... your telling me these employees broke all these laws without management noticing or encouraging it? How about no...
@TheHypnoManNation
Жыл бұрын
Exactly...
@robertheinkel6225
Жыл бұрын
I bought a used Grand Marque from a Ford dealer. It looked good and still under warranty, but was noisy in the interior. Dealer stated the tires were noisy, but getting new tires didn’t help. Months later I was working under the car, and noticed a shipping label on the frame. The car had been wrecked hard enough to require a new frame. That explained the road noise, intermittent electrical issues, and a few other issues. FL doesn’t require dealers to disclose previous damage.
@kjisnot
Жыл бұрын
Salvage vehicles are such a racket. I know of a couple of dealers that do nothing but bonded titles (previous salvage and inspected by a state agency). The cars look beautiful. They weren't that much of a deal over non-salvage cars. I asked to see documentation of the prior damage and repairs and they refused. Too bad. Some of them might be good deals but the customer will never know if it's a pretty POS or not.
@jonathanj8303
Жыл бұрын
That's one thing I've never understood about the US system - some states will issue a salvage title for basically nothing, and you're stuck with it, amd some will apparently wipe the record clean on a burnt out wreck if you know how to work the system. Where I am there are 4 grade of salvage title, call them 1-4. #1 - the vehicle must be scrapped, no components may be recovered. Authorised scrap dealers only, re-registration isn't possible. #2 - vehicle suitable for parts recovery only. I can't remember whether that's authorised only or if you can buy one as a parts donor for your project car, but either way, re-registration is again blocked for that VIN. #3 - structural damage, repair is allowed by authorised shops only, and when they're done, it has to undergo a (state) safety inspection to check their work before it's allowed back on the road. Car forever carries the #3 on it's title so you know what your getting. #4 - purely economic, no structural damage, but would have cost too much in parts and labour to repair vs the repaired value. Anyone can buy and repair it, but before it's allowed back on the road, it has to have a (state) identity check to confirm it really the origjnal repaired vehicle and not a stolen ringer. Again, it carries the #4 branding for the rest of its life. It's dead simple, and if a vehicle has magically somehow got a clean title back after being salvage, that has to be fake paperwork. I've bought a grade #4, got a deal because it wasn't worth a much as non-salvage, and then when I sold it, the next guy paid a chunk less than average too, because salvage. I just don't understand why it needs to be any more complicated than that. Or have any loopholes.
@robertheinkel6225
Жыл бұрын
I got stuck once with a repaired vehicle.
@MeRia035
Жыл бұрын
The current Kia "theft" ring. Definitely shady business. Now I'm out a car & in no financial state to buy another. Just waiting for this scam to hit the news. It isn't just kids on tik tok.
@karlrovey
Жыл бұрын
@@MeRia035They do have a recall and software update for that issue. Hyundai has the same issue. I'm pretty sure it has been in the news as multiple cities and states are suing Hyundai and Kia over it.
@americafirst9144
Жыл бұрын
We almost bought a salvaged car. We took it to a mechanic. He said the bad transmission and crappy body work made the car worth zero.
@ecay
Жыл бұрын
There are a few states where you can take a vehicle and from another state and bring it to that state and they will give it a regular title. They won't give it a salvage title and you can then take it back to the original state and they'll process it as a regular title. A lot of states have put stops to this but in my state they call that washing the title or title washing cleaning it up. There are other ways that can be done. You can have a vehicle at the title is a salvage title and go by a vehicle that it was totaled but the insurance didn't pay anything on it. Same year same model same everything. Take the bin off of it. Put it on the vehicle that you want to wash and you have just cleaned up the title. You're the basically swapping out bins which is also not legal both of those are time consuming but something that can be done
@TheGOF
Жыл бұрын
Not surprised. A dealership. In NC. Sort of an expected outcome
@mikepalmer1971
Жыл бұрын
I think this is something that is equal in every state. Lol. I have never trusted any of them in any of the 4 states I have lived in.
@idristaylor5093
Жыл бұрын
Ben escaping the beak of the plush owl.
@jeffogden2982
Жыл бұрын
If the employees are doing something like that the management knew what was going on.
@Travelingman724
Жыл бұрын
Because the employees wouldn’t be seeing the profits from it, ownership would. Sounds like a “from the top down” issue
@christopher88719
Жыл бұрын
This was a franchise new car dealership, my question is can Nissan of North America pull their franchise license for actions like this?
@aeroscout7595
Жыл бұрын
Ben in front of the owl.
@billxam2674
Жыл бұрын
I bought a classic car from a famous classic car dealer. Took 6 months to get the title and even then only after I sent a letter to the CEO. Oh, they needed a certified check from me but drag their feet with the title.
@JohnDough-p6x
Жыл бұрын
"I'm sure the Dirty Dealer meant no harm" -M&M commercial frm the 70's
@cashstore1
Жыл бұрын
I have come to the conclusion that every dealer I have dealt with was shady.
@donisrael6932
Жыл бұрын
They don't call them "stealerships" for nothing
@muskokamike127
Жыл бұрын
3:20 it's not so simple if they're financing through the dealer....the person or entity retains the title of the vehicle until the lien/loan is paid off in many states. It isn't like that in Canada and if I didn't get the title when I took delivery, it'd be a major red flag but in a state where the financier retains the title, it would easily be missed. "where's my title"? Oh the finance company has it. A month goes by they call the dealer "where's my copy of the title"? what? they didn't send it to you? I'll have to look into that.... Don't put the onus on the purchaser.
@Voltaic_Fire
Жыл бұрын
Somehow I'm just not surprised.
@57WillysCJ
Жыл бұрын
Most dealers skate the line, good ones are never near the line. These guys were what line?
@katisugarbaker7349
Жыл бұрын
I wish they’d done that to the employees of Wells Fargo when they committed identity theft and other financial fraud. Instead people excused it because of the “pressure” to be a criminal was so strong. Really? Where do we draw that line! Apparently with car dealership employees.
@katmandu573
Жыл бұрын
This case will expand. I find it difficult to believe that this dealership is run by a group of employees without oversight. I doubt that Bob Smith, Jane Jenkins, and John Doe each have individual dealerships under the same name and dealership license. Who pays each employee? Who trained them? There MUST be management that should be charged. 🤔
@fraidykat
Жыл бұрын
They're likely trying to get those employees willing to testify against the owners as part of a plea bargain.
@jickmccivy6327
Жыл бұрын
Only 400 I worked at a dealership when the police showed up with a warrant for 3200 counts of Fraud here in northern Michigan 23 years ago.
@calamity0.o
Жыл бұрын
Friend worked for a dealership for about 2-3 months. Great at sales type positions. He quit because it felt scummy. Really needed the income, too.
@Rhodeygirl
Жыл бұрын
The fact that this was a manufacturer's dealership is what's amazing. Most new car dealers don't need to deal with salvage title cars. It's the used car and BHPH that would even deal with those vehicles.
@raygover7458
Жыл бұрын
In the past yes. Since COVID, supply chain shortages and chip shortages, the auto industry has had to find different ways than they were accustomed to to rip us off.
@bobkelley8291
Жыл бұрын
Every time I go to a buy a new car from a dealer they try to cheat me. And each time I have walked out and ended up buying a used car. In my 70's now so I do not think it will happen again.
@ostlandr
Жыл бұрын
Why in the name of common sense would I ever buy a new car? Buy a lease return, or one that the owner traded in as soon as it was paid off- or maybe "when the ashtrays got full" like foolish rich people did back in the day. Let somebody else take all that depreciation.
@Gangsta1168
Жыл бұрын
@@ostlandrso you like abused used rides?? 😂😂
@ostlandr
Жыл бұрын
@@Gangsta1168 Yeah, but I'm hooked on those classic curves. :-)
@KristopherBel
Жыл бұрын
Man i saw this and hoped you would cover it.
@FrankLeeNacty
Жыл бұрын
Sounds similar to Carvana business model.
@Jodyrides
Жыл бұрын
I worked as a salesman for a dealership. The owner and his son were talking one day about offering discounts on accessories to people that have bought vehicles. The son suggested this to his Father. The father stood there, thinking --Rolling it around in his mind …I could see his mind working and he was chewing his lip thinking. Then he started, nodding slowly with 1000 yard stare, and said, “yeah, --that gives us a second chance to kick em in the balls”
@danfarris135
Жыл бұрын
Not on subject, but just admiring that Silver Eagle Mic on the shelf. I wired many of those back in the 70/80’s for my dad and his Ham radio friends. 😁
@martineastburn3679
Жыл бұрын
The Dealer that sold a car and traded in my father's 2-year-old fully paid for was such a dealer ship. The 94-year-old was urged in as they "Needed" his model. He picked out a car and signed his title. The 'car' was to be processed while the boss approves of the price. Title and keys given to Service manager who then made sure it was serviced (at insurance payments) and then put the car into a dummy name, stealing it for the sales and service... The then woozy from blood sugar signed the paperwork for a new car, with Bronze, Gold, Plat insurances tacked on. The Dealership was caught by the Car Finance company. And they compiled a suit against those two employees. I paid the insurance charges after my father's death and finally got the title. The CFO of Finance Co said I had free lifetime insurance and told me of the suit.
@DoudD
Жыл бұрын
Staying within the letter of law still allows some shady practices. The manager and employees in this case must've stepped wayyyyy out of bounds to reach the point of criminal charges. it would be interesting the learn the actual specific details of what they did.
@dougtibbetts857
Жыл бұрын
Dealerships have in house body shops…. If they fix a wreck it doesn’t have to be reported to carfax or some other reporting agency One here took a brand new genesis the dealership owners son wreck while intoxicated. The only two panels not damaged including the roof were the drivers front and rear door( needed a whole new front end) It was repaired and sold as a new car!!
@darwinawardcommittee
Жыл бұрын
10 years as an F&I manager in a big dealership. The stories I could tell would curl your hair. I will say a lot of shady stuff gets done out of expediency for everyone’s benefit - for instance, selling cars when you don’t have a tile because you are waiting for the pay off to clear on the trade in. 999 times out of a thousand the title shows up and the new customer gets a tile. Once in a while there is a problem with the title when it shows up 3 weeks later and you have a sh*t show. Then there is a lot of outright shady stuff. One of our F&I people was outright forging credit life insurance policies. Nobody really buys that stuff. It’s either slipped in the payment or outright forged after the fact. She was a real hero for a while because she was miraculously selling lots of “croak and choke” insurance. The one she got caught forging was on a beater car financed from some “mouse house” - it was a small loan so the premium to the dealership was like 50 bucks. I think it cost us $50 grand. She was the boss’s pet until then. One of our managers was dealing coke out of one of our stores. It was part of a big south side Chicago drip ring busted in the 1990s. We never turned mileage back but we caught a few customers trying it. We crucified them. A lot of rules get bent on even mundane things like applying for registration. But like Steve said, it’s all well and good until you are in a deposition with the state manual laid out in front of you. There was an attorney back in the day in DuPage country who would live on going after dealerships. Just about any deal could be picked through for som infirmity. This guy had people placing his business cards under cars in mall,parking lots with license applied tags.
@steveladner4346
Жыл бұрын
Lights camera and Steve puts his glasses on (action).
@adamcueball1277
Жыл бұрын
That problem has been going on throughout North Carolina other cities and counties they'll just get a slap on the wrist cities and counties make so much money off of the ones they don't care
@jpnewman1688
Жыл бұрын
Of course.. Why bite the hands that feed them.. 😂😂
@terry_willis
Жыл бұрын
Somebody explain how/why car dealership employees get criminally prosecuted, when huge banks, like JPM Chase, WFB and B of A, literally steal $billions from customers and NOBODY even gets indicted, much less imprisoned - all that happens is the mega banks pay a big fine which gets passed on to the stock holders, and, get this, all the employees involved in the caper get XMAS bonuses. Anybody know?
@bigdogpete43
Жыл бұрын
I wonder how the dealership is skirting this without responsibility.
@TheRealScooterGuy
Жыл бұрын
By smooth talking either with their mouth, or their wallet.
@mikecoffey8453
Жыл бұрын
Before i look at this video ,i bet they overcharges on parts ,repair times and costs , etc. I know the dealership i have been going to is price gouging. I know approximately how much time a repair should take in most cases and parts prices are jacked up. Its been goig on for awhile but more so after things settled from covid.
@lutomson3496
Жыл бұрын
meanwhile the insurance companies who insured these vehicles after they were identified as totalled or salvage are to blame here also, those red flags should have came first when the innocent customer bought, and insured
@MeRia035
Жыл бұрын
Yes. Insurance companies are also complicit. There is no way they couldn't be. They have dedicated fraud departments, I find it hard to believe someone wouldn't notice what's going on.
@NoEgg4u
Жыл бұрын
@11:56 "Most dealers can comply with the law". @12:00 "Most dealers fly right, straight and narrow." The above two statements are not synonymous. The is no shortage of slimy dealerships that will take you for all they can, to great excess, while complying with the law. They will overcharge you on everything imaginable -- from window security etchings to extended warranty purchases. They will lie to your face, promising you almost anything that will get you to sign on the dotted line -- only for you to later find out that their promises are no where in the signed paperwork, and they will not honor their verbal promises. They comply with the law, to avoid hefty fines and risk losing their license. While at the same time, they take their customers to the cleaners, albeit legally. Most dealers do not "fly right, straight and narrow".
@johnjay7822
Жыл бұрын
Very surprised the new West Virginia title clearing house didn't come up in this story.
@isbestlizard
Жыл бұрын
Wow they must have done something wrong to get criminal charges. If you're a big enough corporation you just sign a non-prosecution agreement without liability and agree to like, a consent order not to be criminals for like the next two years, maybe.
@nosnerd1967
Жыл бұрын
Wow😮
@gregodify
Жыл бұрын
The same kind of scandal is happening in Japan right now with a used car chain called Big Motor. The employees were pressured into over selling by management. If you didn't get at least $1000 dollars out of each customer, you were punished.
@cj20080
Жыл бұрын
I wonder if you had to buy a Nissan, would Shelby be the place to buy it since they are under so much scrutiny? Car dealerships seem like organized crime outfits, but most are flying under the radar. Maybe you wouldn't get screwed as badly right now at that particular dealership?
@gbppittpetitt8684
Жыл бұрын
I don't know if you been a fishen or a golfen! You did have yer sunglasses on! A dealership is no place to buy a car Steve!
@FatManWalking18
Жыл бұрын
it wasn't Carvana or Hertz? now that is news.
@jdgoesham5381
Жыл бұрын
It's common knowledge most dealerships are riddled with employees and even managers or owners with cocaine problems. It's been a thing for decades. And when you get a big habit they end up needing lots of money daily and then things like this happen. They start to commit fraud or even rip of friends and family to get that cash commission. I'm worked with dealerships half of my 40years and have known many salesmen and mechanics at dealerships. Though it's common in sales businesses like that where there is big money to be made.
@matthewwhitley565
Жыл бұрын
100% I know multiple car salesmen that are coke heads
@humpteedumptee8629
Жыл бұрын
I’ve been to enough dealerships to know their not all addicts lol
@ronvalley1973
Жыл бұрын
You are right, and in college, I worked part time at a mercedez benz dealer, washing the beasts, and I could tell the owner and his son were on cocaine, and, they were english chaps all the way.
@CraigGrant-sh3in
Жыл бұрын
I knew a guy who worked for a local dealership as a sales person and as a side job, sold the owners coke down in Atlantic City. The guy liked to gamble and the owner had product to move ,soooooooooo
@jblyon2
Жыл бұрын
It's not just car sales. I worked for a company doing a type of tech sales. The coke habits went up to and included the CEO. One guy, who was fired after committing a massive fraud, permanently looked ill from all the drugs he was doing. Like you got that last remaining instinctual 'this isn't safe' feeling humans have when you looked at him.
@HappilyHomicidalHooligan
Жыл бұрын
When I first read the Title, I thought OK this has got to be another entry in the Carvana Debacle... Then Steve said it was Nissan and I almost gave myself Whiplash with the Double-Take I had... 😄😁😆😅😂🤣
@CantankerousDave
Жыл бұрын
The employees did it all on their own and not at the behest of their boss? Riiiiiiiight.
@fbrep
Жыл бұрын
Ben $, is above the Virginia license plate, near the white 🦉's right eye.
@georgehampton7579
Жыл бұрын
Rohrman Nissan in Burns Harbor had a manager named George Lopez 🤣 that pulled their time grift on my mother that was also on oxygen. She sat there for 5 hours saying she wanted a five-year contract, they won or just signed a six-year so they told her "okay you win" and she signed away without even looking that it said 72 months. She thought she won win really they wore her down.
@jamessimms415
Жыл бұрын
Ben lying down far left screen in front of the Owl, behind the Virginia plate; Steve’s right side.
@survivingpoet4491
Жыл бұрын
Ben is barely in frame, no where to be found in a previous video. I wonder if Steve is about to fire Ben. I hope not. I enjoy looking for him and as well as the posts that ID him. Thanks for the post.
@gordonshumway7239
Жыл бұрын
Well, I’d be rushing out to buy a car from that dealership if I were in that area! Any word on whether the dealership is owned by the “hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil monkeys”? Sounds like a pretty big failure of internal control to go unnoticed by ordinary ownerships.
@iainballas
Жыл бұрын
So you know how, if you owe too many people money, you can consolidate your debt? Is it possible to do that for lawsuits and criminal charges? XD
@robertponder6112
23 күн бұрын
Back in the 1990s there was a dealer in Texas by the name of Jack Apple. He was basically employing everyone whom was capable of producing felony acts as easy as breathing. I was a temp in the finance and insurance industry and would provide services for dealers at a expensive rate. I was at the Dodge store in Austin owned by Jack Apple when the feds came in and shut down his store. I was interviewed a great length buy had no hand in any of the crimes they had uncovered. Needless to say, I was not paid for my time so I testified in behalf of the state. Had they paid me, I would had not.
@kbruns33
Жыл бұрын
My wife works at a DMV. One thing I have learned from that. Dealerships hire some really stupid people.
@joymarchione5128
Жыл бұрын
OK yall. We need to make Lehto's bingo. I'll start: - Mentions Jalopnik - "Literally" - Chuckles while reading the article.
@HappilyHomicidalHooligan
Жыл бұрын
If you're facing a Trial and you're Charged with Double or Triple digit Counts, it time to stop thinking about how to beat the Charges and start bargaining for the best possible Plea Bargain you can get and take your resulting Prison Sentence with Grace and Dignity... 😄😁😆😅😂🤣
@josueveguilla9069
Жыл бұрын
Hmmm. Interesting 🤔
@jimanonymous113
Жыл бұрын
Even more fun is when there's an accident with medical expenses and the lawyer folk go looking for the car owner and they find the dealership's name, or the previous owner's name on the title. Phone rings, phone is answered : "Uh,, mr Lehto ?". Yes that's me. "Um, did you used to own a grey SUV ?". Yes I did. I traded it at honest Joe's used car dealership. "It was in an accident and you owe us $300,000 for medical expenses."
@vivica8207
Жыл бұрын
Ya, that's not gonna hold up in court. The liability would fall on honest Joe and you would have to prove they knew or should have known of the issue.
@SeanBZA
Жыл бұрын
That is when you have a use for that receipt of purchase, and have sent the paperwork in to the DMV as well.
@jimanonymous113
Жыл бұрын
@@vivica8207 yes, but they gonna try.
@sped6954
Жыл бұрын
I'm curious about what the salvage title laws are in other states from people who are familiar with them and how they work. This is probably going to be a fairly long posting, so if you have that whole TL DR thing going on, then don't bother. Ok, on with the show... All I can tell you is about Connecticut and how it pertains to vehicles with a salvage title. It kind of sounds to me that in some states, the stigma of having a title branded as salvage is something that follows the car around for the rest of its life, but that isn't the way it is here. It's damned near impossible, but getting it removed can be done, and it must be done if you plan on ever registering it again. Even though it's your car, you still have to go through a full state inspection to even register it. If you're in an accident and your car is deemed a total loss, your insurance company might try to sell it back to you, but you'll have to send the title to them, then it gets marked salvage, and THEN they try to sell it back to you, so you don't even have the bargaining power of telling them that you'll only agree to it if they don't brand your title. You can get the branding permanently removed, but it is costly and it's very difficult to do. For example, if your car was hit hard in the ass, and you're thinking that you'll just go buy an identical model was hit hard in the front and you're going to cut both cars in half right behind the B-pillar and cobble these two cars together into one drivable unit, you've got a lot of headache coming your way. In Connecticut, the only way to remove the salvage branding of a title is for the car to go through a full state inspection conducted at the Department of Motor Vehicles by a State Trooper. And yes, it will be by a full trooper with the same level of authority as any other trooper that patrols the highways. This trooper will have the exact same uniform, hat, badge, name tag and protection/assault equipment. Basically, the car will have to be completely rebuilt, whether a particular part of the vehicle was damaged or not. It is a FULL inspection, and is just about impossible to pass the first time. First and foremost, the trooper will be going over your paperwork with a fine toothed comb. You aren't even allowed to do the collision repair yourself. A licensed body shop from within the state will be doing that. Next, they're going to be comparing the VIN on your paperwork with the VIN in several places around the car, just to make sure you didn't have that cobbling together idea in mind. Next, you'll need an airbag certification whether or not they deployed in an accident, even if they weren't supposed to deploy. The licensed body shop should be able to help out with that. There's no sense in looking over the car if your paperwork isn't even straight. You aren't allowed ANY Bondo or other body fillers, no holes or even trace amounts of rust. If the trooper spots so much as one flake of rust, even if it's only surface rust... fail. Around here, once you have even the lightest bit of rust, it doesn't take long at all for that rust to become full on rot that you can break off in fairly good sized chunks. If there are any fluid leaks, or even evidence of any past fluid leaks... fail. If the headlight, tail light or parking light lenses are foggy or damaged in any way... fail. Now for the actual inspection part... Everything that came with the vehicle must work, EXcluding comfort items such as air conditioning, cruise control or radio. All instrumentation and console shifter lighting must work, but I don't think they look at dome, map or courtesy lights or door switch lights like for power windows and locks. If you have an American luxury car out of the 70s and if it had opera lights, those stupid little opera lights must work. If you have one of those Mercury Sables from the early to mid 90s that had that row of four halogen lights between the headlights that didn't do anything but annoy oncoming traffic, those four annoyance lights must work. If either you or a previous owner has installed any external lighting, it must work as well, either that or you must remove them before bringing the vehicle in. Wipers and washer must work on both sides, with no torn rubber. No cracks in any of the windows or mirrors. The trooper will be checking tire wear with a tread depth gauge and looking for uneven wear patterns which would indicate worn or faulty steering and suspension components. The vehicle will either be put on a lift or jacked up and and steering and suspension components will be pulled, pried, twisted and shaken to check for signs of wear. You'll be instructed to get in the car, put it in Drive or 1st if it's a manual shift and accelerate to (I believe it's 15 MpH) onto a skid plate, and when given the signal, you are to slam on the brakes and make the vehicle stop, right this second, to check for even brake application from side to side, and if it isn't within a certain tolerance, you fail. Speaking of brakes, the parking brake must work. The trooper will check this by setting the brake, shifting into either Drive or 1st, and bringing the engine speed up to I don't remember how many RPMs for automatics, but it isn't anything crazy, maybe 1,000 RPM, or in a manual shift, they'll let the clutch out and lightly accelerate, falling just shy of stalling the engine. They'll bounce each corner of the vehicle looking for worn out shock absorbers or struts. The good news is, if your vehicle fails any part of the inspection, they keep going with the rest of the inspection so they can make note of any other failures. You get one free re-inspect within 30 days. The bad news is, if you can't make it pass within that 30 day period, you'll have to start all over from the beginning. The other good news is that when you bring it back in within that 30 days, they will only be looking at the items that previously failed, not the whole vehicle. The other bad news is, if you fail and you either don't bring it back within 30 days or you fail the second time, the entire vehicle will be inspected again, and if the trooper missed something the first time, they won't miss it the second time. Like I said, it's near impossible, and if your insurance company offers to sell the vehicle back to you, you're better off just passing it up in most cases. If the vehicle has some kind of sentimental value, or whatever and you just have to have it back, it is going to cost you far more than it is worth to get it back on the road. The only upside to having a car that was previously an insurance total loss with a salvage title, is that the car will be gone over very thoroughly by a State Trooper at a DMV center, and they don't miss a trick. If you're planning on skimping or hiding something, they've probably seen it before and it will be found out. There isn't anything illegal about trying, but you just won't fool them. No one else around you in traffic will ever know it, but you'll know that once you've been through the wringer at a DMV inspection, you're vehicle is every bit as safe as anything else rolling off of a new car dealership lot with five miles on the clock. Also, once you've passed that rigorous inspection, there just isn't any need for a salvage title anymore, unless maybe you trade it in one day for a new car. They might want to know, but I'm really not sure if a private party is even required to divulge that information.
@ronwade5646
Жыл бұрын
Joe Florek VW AUDI Super Store in Flagstaff sold me my '97 Jeep Cherokee Sport but never did get the title, they were closed by the FBI & IRS one day, There were so many untitled cars etc. I finally got the title in a different county! Best car I ever owned too. Jeep Jeep
@gainerman
Жыл бұрын
A large high volume dealership in the DFW area may employ 250 to 350 employees . So ..that's alot of charges .probably 5 each averaged over all 80 employees
@ElizabethGreene
Жыл бұрын
@Steve Lehto I'm beginning to wonder if car dealerships need to go. It feels like "honest" dealers are scarcer than hen's teeth. Is it time to bulldoze that part of the industry?
@donfronterhouse4759
Жыл бұрын
I would think the official sounding name,instead of "rebuilt titles,"that "rehabilitated" would sound like a legit thing to say. 😅
@vf12497439
Жыл бұрын
I recently was at a dealer looking at a car. They got my keys for my potential trade. I decided I wasn’t interested and wanted to go. One guy after another begging me to do the deal. I said where’s my keys? They pretended to search while offering this and that on the deal. I finally told the sales manager that he better find my key now or I was going to become the next national news story. He pulled my key from his pocket. I lowered my shirt back down over my pistol.
@tehmtbz
Жыл бұрын
Whoa! 2 minutes ago?? No way!
@rusticitas
Жыл бұрын
Lafayette! Hello from slightly south down the Delaware. :-)
@EASTSIDERIDER707
Жыл бұрын
Help Wanted?
@stallord8
Жыл бұрын
Looks like they told employees to do certain things but then threw said employees under the bus.
@theprodigalstranger5259
Жыл бұрын
Ben starring down the low flying owl today, good luck owl you can take him!
@shekharmoona544
Жыл бұрын
I live in NC and have not heard about this till now. I'm wondering what's going to happen to other dealerships in NC.
@kaceydillin7367
Жыл бұрын
I was expecting it to be a bmw, Mercedes, or Nissan dealership 😂
@phatzgunderson
Жыл бұрын
"AMERICA"
@pplusbthrust
Жыл бұрын
Politics was mentioned, that means there are individuals involved who have signed a pact with the devil.
@icantpronounce
Жыл бұрын
yeah no way the parent organization doesn't know whats going on this should be rico
@jamesgorman5241
Жыл бұрын
A one institution crime wave.
@2cartalkers
Жыл бұрын
So the head dogs didn't know---muwahahahaha! BS at its finest.
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