Hi all, seeing all these comments from people that completely misunderstood my video, here's an explanation. I'm extremely happy living in the Netherlands. I also made a video about the pros of living in the Netherlands, but no one watched that one. People want to focus on the negative. I only made this video to say what I don't like about the NL, but that doesn't mean I don't like the country at all. I love living here and I'm so grateful. And no, I'M NOT GOING BACK TO MY COUNTRY! If anyone feels the need to feed their ego, watch my video about why you should live in the NL. For the ones that are considering moving, if any of these points are crucial for you, maybe you should consider another place. For me, the pros are a lot higher and these points are not a big deal, that's why I chose to come and stay here. Thank you. 🙏
@YoChocoTube
4 жыл бұрын
And you are more then welcome to do so!
@murateren5712
4 жыл бұрын
@@YoChocoTube thanks!
@YoChocoTube
4 жыл бұрын
@@murateren5712 Hé, every now and then we need a fresh pair of eyes telling us how we can improve - so you are actually doing us a favor. That's how I see it.
@norbertjabonski1021
4 жыл бұрын
@@murateren5712 Let oop on those crazy bikers man xD. And again dominos aint sh*** but uncooked dou and tricks.
@hugom.nijhof9191
3 жыл бұрын
Nice video!
@NiAr658
4 жыл бұрын
Having lived in London I can see many similarities between the UK and Dutch culture based on what you described in your video. Guess there is no such thing as the perfect place, we just need to set priorities when choosing where to live. Thanks for sharing Murat
@murateren5712
4 жыл бұрын
Exactly my point. :) Thank you for sharing your experience.
@qedd722
3 жыл бұрын
you probably joking
@glsmokerUSCOOLHIPHOPCHANNELGMG
3 жыл бұрын
I lived in NL 10y ago and now I am in London, i born in Italy.. but I am considering to back in the NL.. I miss Italy but no chance of get decent job!
@EricaShady10171972
3 жыл бұрын
What do you mean there is no such thing as a perfect place? Mississippi is.🤣🤣🤣🤣
@NiAr658
3 жыл бұрын
@@EricaShady10171972 never been to Mississipi, but glad to hear you find it perfect!
@rjdverbeek
4 жыл бұрын
I am Dutch and I can agree with your 5 points. I won't add a 'but', because I can imagine that for a lot of other countries a list of negative points can be way worse. So I count my blessings.
@murateren5712
4 жыл бұрын
You're absolutely right. For me the pros are also way more. That's why I'm here. :)
@epbbarcia174
4 жыл бұрын
Believe me, you are BLESSED in the Nederlands. I'm from the Philippines! Need I say more?
@wolf.of.scbd14
3 жыл бұрын
so how dutch ppl treat South east asian students moving to amsterdam?
@patatpannenkoek4875
3 жыл бұрын
i mean if he starts with weather it cant be extremely bad
@notthedroidsyoulookingfor
3 жыл бұрын
@@epbbarcia174 you could... the fact you send couple of hundreds home, Worthing as much as two gold bars, your values is the same in the Netherlands as in Philippines, and you know and feel that...
@shemshem9998
3 жыл бұрын
"you guys are gonna hate me for this, but the weather sucks" no Im pretty sure most of us 100% agree with this
@murateren5712
3 жыл бұрын
Haha if you check the comments section you will see I was right 😅
@pathofthesalaf
3 жыл бұрын
I dont agree. I love the weather here
@krultheg3021
2 жыл бұрын
Indeed. Weather sucks.
@embr33
2 жыл бұрын
I got depression from that weather 🗿
@murateren5712
2 жыл бұрын
@Back2 Nature well just check the comments section 😅
@astra_m00n
3 жыл бұрын
If you look within Amsterdam, yes, it's probably ridiculously hard to find an apartment, but I have a lot of friends from many cultures and countries and I noticed that a common mistake to make is to think the ONLY viable places to live is in the city itself (or it's outskirts). The biggest difference with many other countries is that most countries have bigger cities and less many big cities compared to their country's size. So there, to get a proper job, everyone has to live very close to the big cities. In the Netherlands however, even though there are much less people living here, we live on a way smaller surface area, making many places (as long as it's in the so-called "Randstad") very densely lived. So DO NOT only search in Amsterdam! The amazing public transport/train system can give you a smooth travel to Amsterdam while you can live in a just as dense and lively city that is relatively close to Amsterdam in travel-time. I am talking about Rotterdam, Gouda, Leiden, Utrecht, The Hague. From Rotterdam Central Station to Amsterdam Central Station is a high speed line and you can be from one station to another in less than 40 minutes.(and Rotterdam is comparatively quite far from Amsterdam than some other cities) The trains are comfy and relatively reliable and many jobs compensate your travel costs. Small country = better infrastructure. Roads, rails, highways AND bicycle paths. Most people go by train, take a rental bike and bike the last 10 minutes in Amsterdam to their office. We might have too much rain :) But we don't have: Tornadoes, Tsunami's, Sandstorms, Volcano's, Forrest fires, Earthquakes, Snow storms, Blizzard storms and (almost) no dangerous animals. Basically the only nature disaster you might die off, is some mediocre flooding due to rain fall, but we tackled that problem 70 years ago already and now being flooded is quite a miracle. Bummer... x) But I prefer that 'a little too much rain', if you don't mind. Side note: I am living in Berlin, Germany atm and I had a terrible time finding an apartement there. We had an German speaking person we paid to find an apartment and come with us on visits for translation and still it took us over 6 months and, I kid you not, about 100 viewings of apartments. This lack-of-apartments problem is in all major cities in western EU and is BY FAR not unique to Amsterdam. The difference is, if we wanted to have a good connection to my husbands office, he has to travel an hour to get in Berlin and then another 45 minutes to anywhere INSIDE Berlin. Because no matter how lovely their Public Transport; The city is just too big to get anywhere in a reasonable amount of time, without living in at least the outskirts of the city. A stark contrast to all my experiences in NL, because everything is smaller and much more manageable.
@Darvint413
2 жыл бұрын
wow this was so helpful!!!
@PaulaBean
9 ай бұрын
Well, in recent years we have earthquakes - in the north only, due to the gas extraction.
@lowiemaalderink9858
4 жыл бұрын
As a Dutchie I agree with all points. Anecdotal: I had colleagues in Istanbul, one funny difference is Dutchies always check the "rain alert"-app to see whether they can cycle somewhere. Turkish colleagues (in Istanbul) were always checking the traffic-app; "what route do I need to take to get home in this crazy traffic" :-D
@murateren5712
4 жыл бұрын
Hahah that's so funny and so Turkish indeed! :)
@ajik88
2 жыл бұрын
it's more about the social weather 🤣🤣 always cloudy... you are real dutchie, agree all point but let's small talk about the weather 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@pabf2745
Жыл бұрын
In my Spanish provine, Asturias, rain 2 of 3 days (all day long), we do not care if it rains (we expect so), and 1-3 days of full Sun light/year,.... I still remember a year in which a heat wave manage to cross the mountains, it was 26ºC,...
@jasonwright9405
4 ай бұрын
@@pabf274526c lol 😂 😅. Aussies laugh 🤭 . Over 30s heatwave yup under 30 Nup
@mar3053
4 жыл бұрын
There is also a HUGE discrimination against non Dutch speakers when trying to find a place to rent. I remember calling the Real Estate in English and they said there was no more viewings available. Then my boyfriend called them in Dutch and booooom, all of a sudden, they had free space. Such JERKS!
@murateren5712
4 жыл бұрын
Oh I had no idea about that! It sucks big time if that's happening. My experience looking for a place changed drastically as my income increased. :D I remember renting my first place, it was a lot harder. The minute they see you in the 'expat' category things change, in my experience.
@mar3053
4 жыл бұрын
@@murateren5712 Yes, I understand. But rejecting someone just because they don't speak Dutch (and not even checking their income first) is a problem.
@murateren5712
4 жыл бұрын
@@mar3053 yes definitely! That stinks of racism.
@Boborjan1986
4 жыл бұрын
Not just in the housing market, but it can pretty much limit you in only labor type of jobs, where you wont get paid much either, but for sure you will be pushed to the limits, till you break yourself.
@grewdpastor
4 жыл бұрын
@@murateren5712 nope: it is perhaps xenophobic, or maybe just experienced problems in the past with non-dutch speaking tenants.
@lenthemofo
3 жыл бұрын
I'm Dutch, I totally agree with all points. I think the microaggressions are very real, and something that Dutch people will hopefully become more sensitive about in the future. I think part of this however is Dutch directness and bluntness. Of course this does not explain the racist undertones, but I do think a lot of these questions are genuine curiosity. I know plenty of Dutch people who have no non-Dutch friends. And they have no clue how other cultures work, or what other people's worlds look like. And in Dutch culture it's generally acceptable to ask questions like this to people who live different lives to yours. Vegans are asked if they don't miss meat, Christians are asked if they don't have sex before marriage etc. even when you meet people for the first or second time. I'm definitely not saying there is no racism in questions like this, or that your experience being on the receiving end of these is not real. I'm just trying to say that Dutch directness might be part of the equation here and can be very hard to get used to if you're not Dutch. Because it lays prejudices bare and puts them in the open. I do think it's also a chance to get rid of those prejudices, and it's also perfectly acceptable to tell people that that was a pretty personal question, or confront them with their racism. "Dutch Americano" has a good video about the topic. As an aside, the comments about Moroccans or cleaning toilets have absolutely nothing to do with Dutch directness, and are just super fucking racist. Fuck those people. I'm sorry that happened and I seriously hope we get better at this as a country. Those people need to be called out publicly and confronted with their racist views.
@murateren5712
3 жыл бұрын
Hi Len. Thanks a lot for your comment and for understanding.
@patglennon9671
3 жыл бұрын
Racist clowns in every country, I lived two years in the hague and had many dutch friends, the directness is real and great when dealing with the ladies, I miss den haag every day, I will make it back soon.im irish living in usa now. HE LP
@NiekKuijpers
3 жыл бұрын
Turkey is 10 times as racist dumbass
@lenthemofo
3 жыл бұрын
No, sjoerd
@franklinnartz1381
3 жыл бұрын
It also doesn't help that plenty of second generation immigrants (at the moment I don't know a better term for this) keep feeding the "flames of racism", something often left out of the discussion. These flames shouldn't exist in the first place, I fully agree with that. What I mean by this is that these people often exclude themselves from the Dutch culture, barely make any effort to fit in and cling to the roots of where they came from, grouping together, only speaking Arabic amongst eachother and holding pro-Erdogan demonstrations in The Netherlands. If there is a football/soccer match between The Netherlands and Turkey for instance, 99% of those second generation immigrants will support Turkey despite being Native born Dutch people. I'm not saying this is necessarily a bad thing and it might be the result of not feeling welcome due to racism, but to many Dutch people this comes across as not wanting to be part of the Dutch culture and society. This is just based on my personal experiences though and in no way representative of The Netherlands as a whole. To give another example, I have a friend with Turkish roots who as a child was adopted by two Dutch parents. Because he grew up with two white parents he doesn't speak Arabic and isn't a Muslim and he feels shunned and unwelcomed by the Turkish/Moroccan community because of this.
@Marlinos
4 жыл бұрын
I hate the small talks, just leave me alone on monday morning, don't ask me about my weekend XD
@murateren5712
4 жыл бұрын
Marleen Visscher same here 😅
@OprechtLetterlijkBizar
4 жыл бұрын
Not sure if that’s a typical Dutch thing. I’m Dutch and lived in other countries like USA and currently in Switzerland, and here it’s exactly the same. Also not a big fan of it, but I wouldn’t classify it as typically “Dutch”.
@toniangelo555
4 жыл бұрын
Not only on monday morning, most of you dutch people don't want to be in contact with foreigners. Dutch people are 'hokjesman', they're only with their own people..
@ChauffeurGoPro
3 жыл бұрын
@@toniangelo555 thats bcoz ure bulgarian
@avinashpaul2221
3 жыл бұрын
That’s an introvert 😊
@sunitarawat8511
2 жыл бұрын
i lived in netherlands for 3 years , i know people face racism microaggression as you say which is very unfortunate , so i just want to light up with one of the incident that made my day in past so i was new, and i was at the bus stop waited for 20 mints or so and there was no bus in sight . there was this very old man he didn't know english but he did not give up until i understood that at that particular stop (very remote place) the last bus was already gone , he used hand gestures also the picture board to point out that :D it was so sweet
@Misoriy
4 жыл бұрын
Your English is quite enjoyable to listen to. I don't speak Turkish so I'd prefer videos in English. ^^
@murateren5712
4 жыл бұрын
Helen Nunes thanks! :) That's very nice to hear and gives me confidence in my English!
@carlostui21
4 жыл бұрын
I don't want to raise any question here nor been stupid, but that statement sound like "micro aggression" according to what u explain! 🤔
@usamalatif5238
3 жыл бұрын
hi
@maleficent8485
3 жыл бұрын
Because you know English
@avivavoz.
3 жыл бұрын
@@carlostui21 That's exactly what l thought!,😂😂We better don't compliment him about his English or it will be considered "Microaggression" 🤦♀️smh... people emigrate and then they believe everybody in that country is a racist...🙄🤷♀️
@hjkroeze
4 жыл бұрын
Murat, I'm a Dutchman and because of the Corona virus I'm still abroad against my will. But seeing your video I think I can change your mind about the Netherlands. As soon I am back I want to invite you and let you see another side of the Netherlands you maybe haven't seen. And I am sure you will change your mind. I'm looking forward to that.
@murateren5712
4 жыл бұрын
Henk Kroeze I love the Netherlands. No need to change my mind about it. Please watch my other video about the pros of the NL.
@classesanytime
4 жыл бұрын
@@murateren5712 it might make you see things from a different perspective though 😉 It'll make you understand things that we do or say from the source and not from an outside view I'm living for 11 years in Brazil and the only reason I got to understand the way they do things here was to blend in on their level and see things trough their eyes, it doesn't mean that I agree with them 100% though, but surely it's an eye-opener on a daily bases.
@murateren5712
4 жыл бұрын
Classesanytime classesanytime you're right of course but I've been living here for 9 years, speak the language (not as well as I would like to), and I work and socialise with Dutch people. So I don't think I need to spend a day with a Dutch person :)
@classesanytime
4 жыл бұрын
@@murateren5712 Good for you Murat 👍 I like your videos and hope you'll make many more !! You should be who you are and enjoy or dislike all in your own way as an individual. I just meant it as you could see the "Why" we do or say things from a different perspective, that's all.
@murateren5712
4 жыл бұрын
Classesanytime classesanytime thanks! :) I try every day to understand why certain things are done. I understand some and some I don't. :) But no one can change who they are, and overall I'm very happy in this country. :)
@bobosims1848
4 жыл бұрын
Günaydin Murat, (Yes, no, I'm not Turkish myself. I just know one or two words.:)) The weather is the weather. I haven't seen a good winter, spring or summer since 2008. It's mostly always autumn. That is not something we can do anything about, YET. But when a machine is invented to change the weather, you can bet your life that the inventor will be Dutch. Because we find our weather rather boring too! If you live in Amsterdam, you''re not living in the Netherlands. Amsterdam is the most expensive place in the Netherlands to live, because there are so many people there, and many of them are foreigners. THAT is why buying or renting a house, studio, apartment or even just a room, is extremely expensive in Amsterdam. But the further you go away from that place, the better it gets. Speaking English, or Turkish or ANY other language is fine as long as you stay in Amsterdam, but it will invariably brand you as an outsider. And there are so many outsiders in Amsterdam, that even the Dutch people will often speak English, because that's easier. But if you move away from Amsterdam, you'll find less and less foreigners, and Dutch people speak Dutch. So you will need to speak Dutch as well. And THAT will make it a lot easier to make friends. I know people here in Leeuwarden, who have their roots in Turkey, Morocco, China and other places, some of which speak better Frisian than I. You only hear those people speak their native language amongst themselves. These people have Dutch friends, because they've integrated with the Dutch culture a little more than anyone will ever expect from anyone who lives in Amsterdam. Making friends is not something the Dutch do at work. The people we work with ar just co-workers, colleagues, acquaintances. Which means that all conversations will be shallow surface talk, not very deep and intimate. Friends are people that you have a lot in common with OUTSIDE work or school. Hobbies, for example. Go to a fitness center, or go do some team sport to make friends. You may have lived in Amsterdam for the past 9 years, my friend, but you know very little about living in the Netherlands yet. I myself would not want to live in Amsterdam, because it is too crowded, and too big, and too expensive. I would rather move anywhere else.
@woudy7327
4 жыл бұрын
I hate smalltalk to... but as I am a very grumpy sarcastic person nobody tries to chat smalltalk to me anymore... I love it
@volcanonewyork3033
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Murat I checked out your other videos and I can honestly say that every video is fun and full of experience and knowledge.Thank you for being out there and sharing your thoughts about living in Netherlands,it really helps people who are planning to move there
@murateren5712
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Volkan! Much appreciated 😊🙏
@ItsaJuraff
3 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate this video. There's a million videos about how great living in the Netherlands is, and I don't doubt it's great, I just want to get a better picture of what it is I would be getting myself into. I think your video does a great job of providing some more perspective. Thanks!
@murateren5712
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for understanding the purpose of the video 🙏😊
@RobotronSage
2 жыл бұрын
Turn back while you still can
@RobotronSage
2 жыл бұрын
If you like being poor and discriminated against and having a corrupt government in a country that makes ZERO progress Then you'll love it here.
@emmadezwaan
4 жыл бұрын
I’m Dutch (born and raised) and I think you were very polite. I think there is a lot of racism and xenophobia in the Netherlands. A lot of misogyny as well, and I can know, I’m a woman. Dutch are very ignorant about themselves and their culture. Not really self reflective because we lack openness, like you said. Then people ACT like everything is fine and dandy, but problems are just hidden and not talked about. Just start about Zwarte Piet, and then all hell breaks lose. You see what I mean..? Just don’t tell the other Dutch, It will upset them and they will blame you for their own foolishness 😉
@readygi
2 жыл бұрын
couldn't agree more. the misogyny is shocking to me. I work in hospitality and men expect me to treat them like Gods, the entitlement and insecurity of locals are off the roof.
@RK-cj4oc
2 жыл бұрын
@@readygi Really? I am dutch and would like to know more if you would be willing to take the time. Could you give a few examples of what you mean?
@helenooft9664
4 жыл бұрын
Yes, its is raining a lot in my country, but my country is very green, and that is because of the rain, so i prefer the rain.
@murateren5712
4 жыл бұрын
Good for you Helen.
@murateren5712
4 жыл бұрын
@Jack T Exactly. I already made a video explaining why the Netherlands is such an awesome country and why I chose to live here. Here I'm just saying if the weather is your top priority in a country and if you don't like the rain as much as Helen does :D then well maybe you should think twice.
@hotsmalltown7533
3 жыл бұрын
I remember my flatmate and I found a great place by oosterpark and I mentioned this to a Dutch "friend" who said, oh, but wait, there are lots of immigrants there... I said.. well, yes, I am well. The friend responded... oh, but you are different. In other words, being white meant I was the right type of immigrant. But this type of thing happened to me in Berlin when I lived there for a bit. I got told numerous times how I was taking jobs... so little things like that bothered me. I come from an immigrant country, so that attitude is quite foreign to me. If you work and are supporting yourself, you are welcome where ever...
@murateren5712
3 жыл бұрын
Yes so true and so sad..
@PaulTakesPhotos
3 жыл бұрын
I am Dutch but spent about two decades outside of NL and recognise a lot of your point. I migrated back 3 years ago and yeah the planning in life, "micro agression" or no filter as I call can be very annoying, size of the country... Well is it a country or a city. Dutch directness is difficult for many who are not Dutch. People just make statements without any filters (often). As for turkey spent a lot of time working in instanbul and did experience snow over there
@sumimaind
2 жыл бұрын
But in all honesty I don't really understand why The Dutch say they are direct. They are direct when it comes to work but socially I would say they are super indirect, they never say how they really feel
@LOKI77able
2 жыл бұрын
@@sumimaind When it comes to their feelings their communication tends to be very shallow or even elusive or an outright lie, is this what you mean?
@islandgirlxx3465
2 жыл бұрын
@@sumimaind I find the Dutch more passive-agressive
@laurentziu7895
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video. I am planning to move to this Netherlands and you're helping me take a more informed decision.
@murateren5712
4 жыл бұрын
You're welcome, and great to hear. :) Please also watch my video with the positive sides. It will help you better with your decision.
@schiffelers3944
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, for doing it in English and not in Turkish (or Dutch), this way I and a much more diverse group can understand and participate, thank you. This is your first video in my algorithm, and *I agree there are "disadvantages" thank you for pointing them out, and talking about them.* (I am Dutch, from Limburg, down in the South the not flat part of the Netherlands.) 1 Weather; I agree; cold, gray and rain, but things have been changing. We might not have the white winters and "elfstedentochten" but we did have them at one point in our history. I remember snow and white winters as a small child. My parents and grandparents had different winters then I did, etc. Also it depends on the locations in the Netherlands with temperatures, because of climate. Coastal vs non-coastal. The south is almost always warmest in the summers. Add to that climate changes. In Limburg it was 30+ degrees past week, it is only June. Agree 15 - 25+ degrees used to be more "normal" average temperatures for spring/summer, but that hasn't happened in years by now. Seasons we have, we have the trees indicators of that most. But then you probably need a setting more in or surrounded by nature. I hear you mentioning Amsterdam, for instance. 2 Social: True. Generally speaking, this is true. There are some friends or family members that might have a less "planned" structure, but then that is part of the "loosely" planned structure. Everything is structured like that here, basically. We plan ahead. Shallow, work conversations true; I fully agree, also depending on the workplace, and work culture. For instance the hairdresser; I've worked at them, these are more social places, but it depends on the customer. One can get to be on a very close and friendly basis, talking about their lives. But more "manly" cultures are a lot harsher, I have problems dealing with them as well. I understand what you are saying. Night life; weather is different, climate is different. Drinking in public area is restricted, limited. But then if you don't litter, or become annoying or bothersome, we are flexible up to a certain point. 3 Small country: limited options & expenses; Taxes are a good thing, it could be more fair, this also pays for social benefits etc. Housing shortage, agree, Amsterdam, yes. But as said I am not from Holland, I'm from Limburg and there are differences. In my opinion there is a lot of diversity in the Netherlands. But there is not a lot of mixing and deep (positive) interaction. And our system used to be more social and less capitalistic as it is now days. 4 Micro aggressions: True this is here as well. But in my experience this goes both ways. I think I understand the dynamics in this, and yes this happens. Also this happens full on in you face and in the open, but on a lesser scale. As a homosexual I know this happens both ways. I experience it, also by some migrants if they are religious Islamic. But then also all Dutch Christians are not of the right faith. (This is also not limited to Islam, but other Abrahamic religions. And depending on their sect or branch within this.) There is a homosexual imam, this is a no go to say. Even if it is fact. We then can debate on what an Imam is etc. and the religious aspects etc. But that is not the point, and it is, at the same time to point out this goes both ways. And I see and hear what you talk about. Towards immigrants and other minorities, it all stems from the same root. And I notice them not having awareness on both sides this is happening and taking place. Dutch girls called and treated like whores, because cultural differences. Abuse, etc. polygamy even if it is illegal in the Netherlands, this also happens, homophobia happens, Islam-phobia happens, racism happens, etc. These are hard truths, and it's both ways. WE all have dark shadow sides to us and our histories and cultures and traditions.
@TarotbyScorpio
3 жыл бұрын
@bubbles bunny wait why do they treat Dutch girls like whores?
@knowledge_leaf
2 жыл бұрын
I expected some hard to deal with things, but, literally everything in this video is the same or better than where I live. Guess I know where I'm moving!
@ninisecik
2 жыл бұрын
Çok güzel anlatmışsın, son maddeyi hep hissedeceksin. Hollanda’da büyüdüm, son 6 yıldır Brüksel’de yaşıyorum ve burada ayrım yok, çok kültürel bir şehir. Tavsiye ederim
@macexpert7247
4 жыл бұрын
Move to the most southern part of the Netherlands (Limburg). Its much more relaxed there and the weather is a bit better :-)
@murateren5712
4 жыл бұрын
You're right! I love the vibe in the southern parts :)
@daimybisseling251
4 жыл бұрын
Here you will have more differences between seasons and you can see friends without appointments. If you drop in during dinertime you even might get s plate😂. Have to warn you throughout: Geert Wilders is a Limburger too, so we do have assholes here aswell
@harenterberge2632
3 жыл бұрын
Yet the racist parties (pvv, fvd) find a lot of support there.
@Jerry-ms4og
4 жыл бұрын
Sounds like a perfect place to live to me.
@epbbarcia174
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, about as perfect as it can get.
@TheStruggler0
3 жыл бұрын
@@Waterdiver3900 hahash i’m going 2 go 2 NEDERLANDS and watch Ajax’s matches🥰
@andrewagemaker2704
3 жыл бұрын
It is better than Turkey
@embr33
2 жыл бұрын
You said it yourself ... to you. Only
@anman1575
4 жыл бұрын
Amsterdam is very expensive - 1200 for a studio Me in Dublin sipping my pint of Guinness from a 1800/month studio
@murateren5712
4 жыл бұрын
Anshuman Ranjan ouch! 😅
@ex0stasis72
3 жыл бұрын
I've seen apartments in Amsterdam listed for as low as 600 euros per month, there's fewer to choose from and they seem to go away the next day I check, but it's possible to rent cheaply, it seems.
@murateren5712
3 жыл бұрын
@@ex0stasis72 there are some projects where you can register and get affordable houses but anything I see on Facebook groups etc I would be very careful with
@ex0stasis72
3 жыл бұрын
@@murateren5712 Ya, thanks, I'm finding more about that lately. I'm just "window shopping" right now because I don't think I can move until another year or two.
@murateren5712
3 жыл бұрын
@@ex0stasis72 good luck with it! 😊
@baryalayamady5627
2 жыл бұрын
That was the reason I left Netherlands after 15 years west my time in the Netherlands I am now in London much better feeling and freedom but yes every country has own negative and positive
@RobotronSage
2 жыл бұрын
I'm thinking of going back to London too. Dutch people are way too apathetic to even care about common human decencies.
@ingilizcetvim
2 жыл бұрын
here we go! another victim
@ingilizcetvim
2 жыл бұрын
Turks prefer to live in USA where they can achieve their potential and where they wont face racism like they do in Netherlands. Turks can win Nobel prizes like Aziz Sancar did in 2015 and be CEOs etc. here is the list... turkofamerica.com/index.php/others/life-style/item/2466-the-50-most-influential-turkish-americans and moreover en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Turkish_Americans .As you can see many Turks can work in universities and professors etc .What can Turks be in your small country ? just losers and secondary class citizens who will do second class jobs ? With your black and white schools and education system , you will only produce more secondary class citizens. and tell me how many immigrant professors ,CEOs, nobel prize winners did your country produce ? You just want to use immigrants to do your dirty jobs and give them secondary class education and produce more and more losers. And later you complain that these people didn't integrate ? are you in denial?
@thomastoadie9006
4 жыл бұрын
Everything Murat says is 100% reasonable and zero% outright BS. Good job!
@murateren5712
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Thomas! 🙏
@Kenhraim
4 жыл бұрын
Born and raised here, I totally get all your points. People can get quite nasty sometimes, just like the weather its not intentional haha.
@murateren5712
4 жыл бұрын
Hahah good point! :D
@daimybisseling251
4 жыл бұрын
I do think it is a bit like Zwarte Piet. People don’t know what it is like “ on the other side” . No empathy. It is not intentional, just uneducated.
@murateren5712
4 жыл бұрын
@@daimybisseling251 yes I think because it's such an open minded and developed country people tend to think everything they do here is fine and cannot be wrong, but often times it is. Like zwarte piet indeed. :)
@koffiegast
3 жыл бұрын
@@daimybisseling251 It is also that those people new here did not try to look or understand the Dutch side. Especially Americans just call it blackface, a Hollywood phenomenon yet they project it on the Dutch which has a much longer and richer and totally different background. You will see many more cultures in Europe have a person colored black... not because of racism (mind you, people with more melanine in their skin were an extreme rarity for the better part of humanity until the last 100-50 years or so). Calling people racist for what they considered normal, had no racist intention or effect... is now becoming a racist thing... it is just sad.
@sumimaind
2 жыл бұрын
Just because it's not intentional that doesn't make it ok. I've experienced people in the NL saying bluntly racist things and when I called it out, people were very dismissive saying it was't intentional. I feel like this word is sometimes used to downplay racism
@DarkValorWolf
3 жыл бұрын
if you just wanna call up a friend or if you're an oversharer, move to the south, Limburgians are very friendly and love talking and sharing, we'll go for way deeper subjects too, not unusual to talk about politics at the hairdressers. He's right that the dutch often lay on the extremes tho, lots of racist people but also looots of very liberal people. If anyone here wants a dutch friend, hmu
@murateren5712
3 жыл бұрын
I agree that things are different in the south. :)
@pabf2745
Жыл бұрын
Yes the weather is NOT Mediterranean, they well plan everything and Netherland is a rich country (so ALL salaries/cost are ok)
@gustavoteixeira44
4 жыл бұрын
Loved the video! Yes, I hope you'll make more videos speaking English. Thanks for the honest content!
@murateren5712
4 жыл бұрын
Gustavo Barros thanks a lot! Much appreciated. :)
@wellcherry4514
4 жыл бұрын
those problems sounds great when u compare it with Austria XD
@murateren5712
4 жыл бұрын
Hehe :)
@Bb0909sh7
4 жыл бұрын
the second one is so not true, almost every time i meet up with my friends it’s spontaneous
@murateren5712
4 жыл бұрын
S Buis good for you
@Bb0909sh7
4 жыл бұрын
Murat Eren well, that’s not rlly the point of my comment. i’m trying to clarify that the social structure you explained is only for a few social circles
@murateren5712
4 жыл бұрын
S Buis I've been living here for almost 9 years and almost every foreigner I've met says the same thing. Maybe you were lucky and you managed to meet some super spontaneous Dutch people. In any case, we cannot generalize of course but this is my observation and I definitely think it's way different than my culture. Even in the inburgeringsexamen there are questions like you find out it's your neighbour's birthday so what do you do? And the answer is you definitely don't ring their bell, you should always leave a card or arrange a day to visit me. To me that's crazy! 😅
@hov7663
3 жыл бұрын
@@murateren5712 I feel like referring to cultural differences as crazy isn’t very open minded either? No disrespect, you either like that social structure or you don’t, but it’s not bad or crazy - just different.
@eankimarduk4538
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the videos in English. I GREATLY appreciate it. It's very educational for me. Thanks for sharing.
@pa95Rkour
2 жыл бұрын
Honestly I never though about number 5, but you are actually correct and have came across such remarks, even though not on an racial or ethnic origin. I am student in the NL from an Eastern European country, that is poor. And not once have I heard questions such as: How can you afford those headphones (normal headphones for 60EUR) ? How come there are so many people from your country here, arent you poor ? How can I afford to study in the Netherlands ? Do you have dishwashers in your country ? Like where the f do you think I am from? I find these questions a little hurting and I do not see why they would be so curious about such a thing and would care, but them being honest and curious is probably the case.
@murateren5712
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah we gotta be careful with what we're curious about sometimes in my opinion. I would never think of asking such questions to someone..
@Bloodline616
2 жыл бұрын
Asking those kind of questions and then hiding behind the excuse that they are honest or curious is unacceptable. There is a fine line between being curious and being a flat out cunt. You can be curious and honest to the point but refrain from insulting others. Also, I like to hear opinions when I ask for it, not for a total fucking stranger to walk up to me and ask me things like that.
@ingilizcetvim
2 жыл бұрын
here we go !! how would you feel when foreigners ask dutch people whether your grandparents were Nazis and whether you are blunt all the time and whether you don't make friends with foreigners and ask you what you think about your dark past in Malaysia and Indonesia at the first second they meet you ?
@ingilizcetvim
2 жыл бұрын
villagers bro !! when you are part of small country that is what happens ! you live in a bubble and thing that you are living in the center of the world while your village has 40000 people and you think that it is a city because you have never seen istanbul, shanghia, new york, tokyo, Miami!! it is great to talk with dutch villagers who has no clue about the world
@carolinef1508
11 ай бұрын
@@ingilizcetvimfunny because I have been asked multiple times about the Netherlands being all Nazis because people think we're part of Germany or things related to that when travelling abroad.
@aguilarkristine7022
3 жыл бұрын
You can hardly survive without a side hustle 😂
@lebronj5491
3 жыл бұрын
😂 😂 😂 I am a carpenter making about €130
@NathanLewis7871
3 жыл бұрын
😲 😲 😲 😲
@stayhappy1161
3 жыл бұрын
@@carmellacarie6827 I am a trader too did you sign up for any course or did you self learn?
@jakethompson8737
3 жыл бұрын
Gym instructor
@onieodelia5840
3 жыл бұрын
I heard some even earn double of that.
@Retroscoop
2 жыл бұрын
The problem rather is that people are too quickly offended, I'm afraid. If I hear nasty remarks, they just travel from one ear to the other. Only if they are pleasant, they are registred and send to the heart. The Dutch may be sometimes very "direct", much more as the Flemish - as me - are. They not only will notice other people's shortcomings, who has none ?, but also tend to talk in a very direct way about it. It may come across as being impolite or rude, but it's just the culture. Once you take that into consideration, you'll see there's no reason to feel fists trembling of irritation. Flemish are more restraint. Of course the Northern European culture is different than the one of South Europe, North Afrika or Turkey. Of course people from Norway are very different than those from Australia. None is better than the other however, just different. The exciting thing in culture are these differences. I love the Japanese for being so polite and their complex system of giving and receiving gifts. If you start mixing all the colours of a child's paint box, you'll end up with a dirty brown. I prefer bright yellow (South Europe), bright blue (North Europe), bright green (Central Europe) and let's give the bright red to Eastern Europe.
@ii_gabrielle2391
4 жыл бұрын
I really would love to live in the Netherlands✨ I love rainy days! Edit: We're here in the Netherlands! We're gonna live here now 😊♥️
@marinamayaalarcon7793
4 жыл бұрын
North Ireland is also like this, rainy AF.
@epbbarcia174
4 жыл бұрын
Ditto.
@miran4471
3 жыл бұрын
♥️☔❄️☃️🌬️🌧️♥️😊
@bicycles-as-far-as-im-aliv5725
3 жыл бұрын
Trust me, u won’t love the cold rainy days as much as normal or warmer rainy days
@yavuzakguc
3 жыл бұрын
Emeğine sağlık dostum. Güzel bir video olmuş. Eleştirilerin olması gayet doğal. Ki zaten herkesin bildiği konular. Her ülkenin olumlu ve olumsuz yönleri var bunu her yaştan insanın bilmesi gerekiyor başarılar 🙏🏼
@murateren5712
3 жыл бұрын
Cok tesekkurler, cok dogru 👍🙏
@esrademirel9649
3 жыл бұрын
Avrupa'da cehaletin daha az olacağını düşünüyorum ama her seferinde yanılıyorum. Sanırım her yerde cehaletin devam ettiğini kabul ederek yaşamalıyız. Sad very saaad
@murateren5712
3 жыл бұрын
Evet maalesef oyle. Hollanda yine de en iyilerinden biri..
@ninailia8552
4 ай бұрын
Watching this video again after 2 years and after things get worse and worse, I would make this list way bigger...
@maurabarendregt-soliman1368
3 жыл бұрын
The micro aggressions is one of the biggest challenges I had as a half Dutch person growing up in the Netherlands. Thanks for expressing this, I always felt that I was the only one with this issue.
@murateren5712
3 жыл бұрын
Sorry to hear that you struggled with this.
@maurabarendregt-soliman1368
3 жыл бұрын
@@murateren5712 Thank you for your reply. I responded to your video because I recognized what you were explaining. It really made me laugh when you spoke about small talk. I dealt with Micro aggression and straight forward narrow minded Colonial racism. Did it influence me yes. Do I think that all Dutch are like this: No, absolutely not. Sometimes people get tested in life, to learn and to develop. I learned that we get in life what we need not always what we want. Then again I am only half Dutch, so the influence of the cultural background of my Non-Dutch mother was something I chose to embrace. I understand that these experiences made me the person I am today. I emigrated and I married a foreign husband. Do I miss the Netherlands, yes and no. I do miss certain types of food and the great infra structure and the practical stuff like for example the bottle scraper or flessen-likker to mention a few. Enjoy your stay and thanks again for your reply.
@murateren5712
3 жыл бұрын
@@maurabarendregt-soliman1368 thank you! :)
@ingilizcetvim
2 жыл бұрын
could you please give examples so that ignorant people can understand
@baharaksahin7183
4 жыл бұрын
This was very helpful, thank you and please keep us posted with more videos about Amsterdam/ The Netherlands/ culture/ worklife etc..
@murateren5712
4 жыл бұрын
Bahar Akşahin thanks a lot! More videos will follow soon 😊
@anushachaudhry5479
4 жыл бұрын
As someone looking to move to the netherlands I found this video very very informative. Thank you so much for making it!
@murateren5712
4 жыл бұрын
Great to hear! Please watch my video about the pros as well so you don't only hear the negative sides. :)
@SI-nh1kw
2 жыл бұрын
@@murateren5712 I found it informative too, thanks!
@peterruyten4761
2 жыл бұрын
Don't come please, we have a housing crisis and the last thing we need is expats coming here taking more housing away from the local population. Our employers don't help us to find housing, they only help expats to do so. It fucking sucks.
@Kayodoms
Жыл бұрын
I went to the Netherlands during the summer. There was a historic heatwave in Europe at the time and it was hot af lol
@murateren5712
Жыл бұрын
Haha yes we had some extremely hot days. You were 'lucky' to experience that :)
@subiramchumo7957
3 жыл бұрын
Wow. I really liked this video. You spoke with a lot of honesty. Thanks!
@murateren5712
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much 😊
@rodrigolabra6962
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for all the info on this video, It really helps me to get to know what to encounter once I move :D
@murateren5712
4 жыл бұрын
Rodrigo Labra you're welcome! I hope you'll like it here no matter what difficulties you encounter :)
@henkoosterink8744
4 жыл бұрын
Always rainy and coldish, come on man. From April till September it is warm and few rain. Last years almost no rain.
@murateren5712
3 жыл бұрын
We live in different countries I guess. :) But I guess you never lived outside of Holland to make a comparison, did you?
@henkoosterink8744
3 жыл бұрын
@@murateren5712 You don't have to live outside Holland to see that it doesn't rain much in april till september. Just open your eyes.
@murateren5712
3 жыл бұрын
@@henkoosterink8744 sure. I will.
@ElcoCanon
3 жыл бұрын
The weather in the Netherlands the last decade is changing. Winters are less cold, less snowy and more rainy. Summers are getting very hot and there's a lot of drought during these periods, which will be a huge problem in the future. From September - April it rains regularly, but compared to the UK not nearly as much.
@Zuiker1
4 жыл бұрын
I never heard the "microagresion" part
@sjabloon12
4 жыл бұрын
There is. But always have been in the Netherlands. Even before the migration flood came. But since they don't know it, the dutch are racist and so on. The Dutch are the most welcoming and emancipating country I know, but still the most racist one by those leftist idiots.
@ingilizcetvim
2 жыл бұрын
You should find all these Dutch gransparents who teach these : INDONESIAN PEANUT SHIT CHINESE INDA PINDA POEKHINEES Basically it refers to chinese who were selling peanuts before in netherlands and their skin color gets darker because of staying outside so long and shit refers to their skin color.
@alinavanleerdam6383
3 жыл бұрын
agree with everything, except aggression. This type of microaggression u can meet any country u visit. It"s called domestic racism.
@murateren5712
3 жыл бұрын
Yes true. You can see even worse examples actually. My point was more that the Netherlands is portrayed as a place where such things can't happen, but they do..
@tojimo2322
3 жыл бұрын
Ofc microaggression happens everywhere but he’s right in the Netherlands people tend to say stuff like that more easily out loud to someone in the face then for example some asian countries, where it could be more reserved.
@thereisnofinishline5773
3 жыл бұрын
except the guy talking about Moroccans, I can see why he said that
@RobotronSage
2 жыл бұрын
Except the Netherlands is one of the only countries in the world (and most certainly only country in Europe) to have an openly racist public representative in office....... Geert Wilders amirite
@alexmeyjes5533
2 жыл бұрын
Culture must consider climate . so culture in a northern colder climate is going to be different from what is possible and accepted in warmer climates . Glad you did this video in English since it can reach a wider audience ( myself included ) than Turkish would have offered you . It also shows courage since you will have to overcome cultural bias when addressing other societies.
@murateren5712
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Alex 🙏
@lunaaljamaz4041
2 жыл бұрын
love the shelf in the background
@murateren5712
2 жыл бұрын
Hahah thanks! I love these comments 😄🙏
@harenterberge2632
3 жыл бұрын
The first microagession could also been seen as a sincere interest in you and your country, and could be short for: "I know that Turkey is a mostly Muslim country, soo I assume you are also a Muslim, Muslims generally don't drink alcohol, yet you drink alcohol, so one of my assumptions is apparently incorrect, can you help me to understand your culture? " And a similar reasoning could be behind the headscarf question. But this of course depends on context and tone of voice. Which with the Dutch directness can easily be misunderstood. I agree that the rest of your microagession examples are really racist.
@murateren5712
3 жыл бұрын
Hi there. I get this comment a lot and of course I don't take everything as microagression. I'm talking about the cases where the tone is clearly condescending and after 10 years in the country I can easily distinguish between the two. Thanks for your explanation though..
@ironmotoadv
2 жыл бұрын
Wij Turken zijn hier al sinds jaren 60 dus ze weten heel goed hoe het werkt met de Turken rondom bijv. alcohol en geloof. Er zijn ongelooflijk aantal Turkse kroegen in NL en vrouwen die geen hoofdoek dragen maar kortere rokken etc. Dit zijn puur provocatieve vragen.
@harenterberge2632
2 жыл бұрын
@@ironmotoadv Niet iedereen woont in multiculturele grote steden. En juist in de grote stad kun je behoorlijk langs elkaar heen leven zonder echt inzicht in elkaars cultuur te krijgen. Ik heb bijvoorbeeld ook met 2e/3e generatie Marokkaanse en Turkse collega's te maken gehad, die echt hele rare ideeën over de Nederlandse cultuur hadden. Je kan alleen beoordelen of de opmerkingen provocatef bedoeld zijn als je de hele context kent. En die is nou eenmaal niet gegeven in de video.
@ironmotoadv
2 жыл бұрын
@@harenterberge2632 juist in die grote steden kun je zien hoe divers de Turkse cultuur is, van zeer conservatief tot hypermodern. Je hoeft geen Turkse vrienden te hebben om dat in te zien. En je moet echt in een niemandsland onder een steen leven om na al die jaren nog geen beeld te hebben van de Turken in NL.
@ingilizcetvim
2 жыл бұрын
sincere interest ? i have a sincere interest about you and here we go !! your grandparents were Nazis or not ? are u blunt all the time ? do u make make friends with foreigners ? what you think about your dark past in Malaysia and Indonesia ? are you racist ? nice to meet u too
@rizvaldo7209
3 жыл бұрын
Nice video. I feel I would get on well with you Murat. I was born and live in London but I have an interview coming up for a job in Amsterdam which is why I'm watching this. Interesting points.
@murateren5712
3 жыл бұрын
Great to hear. :)
@FreekVerkerk
3 жыл бұрын
About these micro-aggressions. They exist, these are not specific towards foreigners, it is also used between Dutch people. It is a way to test / tease a person. It is meant to be a kind of funny. It is actually a conversation starter. It is not aggressive. It is in a way of saying: Hi, you are interesting, I like to get to know you better, say something. Just the other day when I was in Germany and I bought some strawberries along the road, they asked if I was by bike. Apparently they thought that all Dutch people travel by bike. I thought it was funny, because it showed their way of thinking. And we laughed about it. And about the toilet-cleaning remark. One could answer with, we started with cleaning up the toilets, now we own the hotels and date Dutch women.
@murateren5712
3 жыл бұрын
Haha nice one Freek! I wish everyone was as nice as you. However, I do have to say as a white person that comes from a country that most people adore I don't think you can understand how hearing almost any comment about your culture makes you question the intention, after many times you hear racist comments. But I get your constructive feedback and thanks for the explanation! :)
@ingilizcetvim
2 жыл бұрын
Are you kidding ? They are directed to foreigners of course. Educated people wont take these insulting comments easily. To be honest as a person with two masters degree one from usa and one from belgium , i wont blink to slap their face with these ignorant racist remarks
@carolinef1508
11 ай бұрын
@@ingilizcetvimnice, another aggressive character. People here talking about 'micro aggressions' while there are so many actual aggressions against Dutch people from people with an immigrant background, but we can't even mention that because it's 'racism' and the police won't do anything either.
@amorayyyyy
2 жыл бұрын
Well, I am used to temperatures up to 89.6 Fahrenheit. I have to adjust to that coldness.
@jeroenpoepaanzijn
2 жыл бұрын
Dutch people are very honest and sincere. it's perfectly normal to say what you think. this can come across as very rude to foreigners.
@tunahilmioglu419
2 жыл бұрын
I think, what Dutch people or those who have Dutch mentality miss out about directness is that in so many cultures around the world how you say something matters as much as what you say.I believe the fact that people should be honest but not in a tactless way. If being honest done in a mannerless way and called out as directness; well,it could be seen by many non-Dutch people not just as rude but a disguise to cover on the surface level thoughts .
@jeroenpoepaanzijn
2 жыл бұрын
@@tunahilmioglu419 I think that communicating clearly and saying what you do or don't want, providing clarity about what someone is doing wrong or right makes us Dutch one of the most productive people in the world.
@tunahilmioglu419
2 жыл бұрын
@@jeroenpoepaanzijn I admire that however, what i claim here is that this could be done by being considerate for others and not being tactless. In both ways, you get the same results but in one of those two, you make positive impact in addition to providing clarity and getting what you want. Hope you see my point :)
@jeroenpoepaanzijn
2 жыл бұрын
that is also what happens in 95% of the cases
@MrImmers
4 жыл бұрын
You can't complain about people being shallow and further on complain about people being interested in your reasoning on life choices... You like nice whisky Laphroaig is one of my favourites, why do you like it? (Or is that a micro aggressive question). We have stereotypes in our head and these questions are the blunt Dutch way of trying to understand.... It is like you asking us why we don't wear wooden shoes... (You ar right about the Moroccan comment ). And the toilet one is just stupid and insulting (everybody should clean their toilet) ..
@sumimaind
2 жыл бұрын
I have had Dutch flatmates, studied and worked with Dutch people are the conversations are always very shallow. It's true... You feel like you never really know who people really are, they are very cold and standoffish.
@sumimaind
2 жыл бұрын
That's why its so much easier to socialise with foreigners, they are more open!
@JoTummers
4 жыл бұрын
Many people abroad, think that Amsterdam equals the Netherlands. Amsterdam is just our capital. I really wish that people abroad would get that. I am Dutch but I would never want to live in Amsterdam, to be honest. I had some bad experiences there too (rudeness). In the south the people are in general somewhat 'softer', less direct. As far as the weather goes, I'm with you on that. I would prefer more sun, but on the other hand, I really hate snow so it's a good thing we don't have that often here. About expenses, yes, Amsterdam is totally nuts. I hire an apartment that has 2 bedrooms (one 14 m2, one about 8 m2 and a living room tht is 30 m2. I pay € 540 a month. Compared the prices you mention, that's really fair. So maybe it's a good idea for you to move to the south :-) I think if you want to reach many people, keep making your videos in English.
@alyssazhang3558
4 жыл бұрын
Dude I’m at Auckland NZ and I just rent a room maybe 10m2 but I pay out almost 200 euros per week...
@wolverine4716
4 жыл бұрын
well to be honest i can't argue with the things you say it's basically true . And btw im dutch lol
@murateren5712
4 жыл бұрын
Ahah thanks :) and I hope you can agree with the positive things I listed in my other video too. :)
@wolverine4716
4 жыл бұрын
@@murateren5712 i will take a look as soon as i can . I missed one thing that keeps turning up in other blogs . that is is the Dutch can be deadly direct most of the time ( something i don't agre with . But that my pov . But keep up the good and honest things :D
@murateren5712
4 жыл бұрын
@@wolverine4716 I thought of touching upon that as well but I have also controversial thoughts on it ahah :) maybe I will make another video just on that one :)
@rucky_665
3 жыл бұрын
Except for the weather it looked like a full description of the downsides of life in Switzerland as a foreigner
@murateren5712
3 жыл бұрын
What about the weather there?
@rucky_665
3 жыл бұрын
@@murateren5712 hey there. This year is somehow atypical but summer is warm and way longer, at least to the one I experienced in western Germany. Winter looks like winter, it snows quite a lot but that depends where you are. Also less gloomier and less cloudy. I’m moving to Utrecht next year that’s why I stumbled upon your videos. Very helpful
@murateren5712
3 жыл бұрын
@@rucky_665 great to hear, thanks! :)
@Euroka2000
3 жыл бұрын
Talking about the weather: I guess a lot of Turkish people would have welcomed some good Dutch summer rains in their country, with all the bushfire problems this year.
@embr33
2 жыл бұрын
It’s not only among Turkish people. I’m not turkish and i Dislike the weather it’s soooo depressing. And don’t tell me go back to your country because i did 😂.
@murateren5712
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot for watching my video! Please feel free to share your thoughts on this. And check my video about the pros of living in the Netherlands here: kzitem.info/news/bejne/mW6w236ea3hklKQ
@lfamvs5520
4 жыл бұрын
Hey man, First of all, great video. I like how you talk in a respectful manner about the difficulties you're experiencing in The Netherlands. If you don't mind, I like to tell you about how I, as a native dutchy, experience certain things (not all on your list, but it might be interesting). For starters, you keep talking about the 'Dutch culture' but that's the problem I see most natives are having nowadays. Dutch culture is becoming less and less a thing because we want to welcome every other culture in the world as much as possible. It's great and all that we're open to other people's cultures, but for natives, The Netherlands starts to feel more an more like one big tourists complex. That might be why some Dutchies react a bit too aggressive too soon on immigrants. Not because we are racist, but because some are seeing other cultures as a treat to our own. And the huge segregation problem in The Netherlands doesn't help. You are living for 9 years here, but how good is your Dutch? Many people who come here aren't forced to learn Dutch and continue speaking English. I know Dutch is hard to learn, but this is again proof of the Dutch culture we are losing here and it only worsens the segregation problem. I'm telling you, all of this is making people who are actually proud of the Dutch culture more unhappy over the years. So you see, it has not so much to do with the people in particular who are coming here, it's just an underlying anger about how little our government cares about the Dutch culture. I don't know you in person, but maybe you are proud of the culture from Turkey? Or any other culture? Imagen that slowly taking away from you by immigrants from America or Italy for example. It sucks, and there's nothing you can do to stop it so then you just get angry at everything that might takes that culture away a little more. To try to take some controle over a problem you can't control in the slightest. That's at least how I'm feeling. Second and last, I get you're annoyed by the microaggression you hear by Dutchies, but are you familiar with the phrase "nuchtere Nederlanders"? It basically means that we're straight up saying what we think. We do that with everything, but there's no way we want to sound racist with it. As you say, it is unintentional. But that also makes it incredibly hard for us to know what we are allowed to say to people who look slightly different. Either you have to reconsider every sentence you're about to say in a conversation (and that makes you leave with a really uncomfortable feeling) or you straight up say it because you have a freedom of speech. This again, makes some Dutchies rebel against the social norm. Because it is so hard as a white native to NOT sound racist these days, some people are having enough of it and then they're going to make wrong and hurtful decisions. I love my country, and I'm happy you enjoy it enough to live here for 9 years already, but there's just so must run badly around here. I believe overpopulation and segregation are two of the worst problems here. So uhm... thank you for helping against overpopulation with this video I suppose, haha. And again, thank you for the respectful rage about our country ;)
@murateren5712
4 жыл бұрын
@@lfamvs5520 Haha thanks a lot for your comment. It made me smile several times, and this is exactly the type of conversation we should be having. I would have loved to discuss all this over a beer or something, would be interesting. But let me tell you something, believe me I can differentiate especially after so many years the comments of polite and educated people like yourself that are a lot more understanding from the straight up racist comments. I think this directness becomes a veil sometimes to hide people's sinister remarks. Also, I'm not really a fan of my own culture and if I could name 5 reasons about the NL, I could name 1000 reasons about my own country. :) I made another video with 10 reasons why it's so great here. No one cared about that video, and now I'm getting some hate messages. That's the way it is. :) Finally, these are not necessarily things I experience myself, but I just wanted to give a hint of what might become a problem for some. I love MY country and have a great life here. :)
@lfamvs5520
4 жыл бұрын
Murat Eren I totally agree, more conversations should be like the one we’re having right now. Sadly enough, most people go into a conversation with the idea to only speak and not to listen to the other. (which honestly never works, it’s so close minded). I can’t tell you my opinion about the Turkey culture that you don’t like, I’m not familiar with it. But you’re right, there are so many great things about The Netherlands and that’s why I love our culture so much! I’m really proud to be from the Netherlands, but most of the time it feels like I’m not allowed to be, because people will immediately confront me with all the terrible things my people have done in the far past. The fear of coming out for the pride of your land is just something I’m having trouble with. So I’m happy you’re also enjoying it here so much, people always look at the negative video’s instead of the positive ones (Especially Dutch people I’ve noticed) so it’s not your fault that your Pros about the Netherlands is less watched than this one, as I said, Dutchies feel like they have to defend theirselves and their culture. It’s only very awful that you’re getting so much hate messages about this video, I agree with the majority of your points! Just ignore them, it’s only very childish.
@murateren5712
4 жыл бұрын
@@lfamvs5520 I feel you. We also get accused of what our ancestors did (check the comments here). Be proud of your country and culture as it's one to be proud of. :)
@lfamvs5520
4 жыл бұрын
Murat Eren Oh yeah, I saw some of those comments. It’s so hateful and I’m very ashamed of their behavior. I’m being honest here, sometimes I also think “Oh it’s not that bad with the rudeness against people who come here”. But now that I read comments like this, I’m honestly a bit shocked. I’m proud of The Netherlands, but not of those people😂
@Qielli
4 жыл бұрын
Very sophisticated person, I like your video a lot. All I can say that, Have a pleasent summer, Man 🙌🏻
@murateren5712
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks :) much appreciated!
@daviddixon9207
3 жыл бұрын
Merhaba. I was in Eskisehir, Turkey for a year back in the 70s with the US Air Force. Nice to meet you.
@murateren5712
3 жыл бұрын
Nice. Did you like it there?
@daviddixon9207
3 жыл бұрын
@@murateren5712 yes, I loved Turkey, so many nice people there.
@murateren5712
3 жыл бұрын
@@daviddixon9207 great to hear :)
@melvinjansen2338
4 жыл бұрын
You sound like a good man Murat. Good thing you did it in English.
@murateren5712
4 жыл бұрын
Melvin Jansen thank you 😊🙏 trying to be one :)
@youthwave
4 жыл бұрын
@@murateren5712 Very nice reply.
@kuemarkana8746
3 жыл бұрын
Hi, with respectfully I am not agree with your opinion !! I am from srilanka and I live in Germany since 35. years but I love to be in Holland like Brunsum sittard or roermond ! It’s very nice and people are so friendly … if turkey so perfect why the turkey people lives in Germany or in other countries like 30,40 years then in turkey ?? Anyway I love Holland it’s peacefull ❤️
@FRANCISCARUSOworld
3 жыл бұрын
I agree 100% with all you've said in this video. I am living here and these are also the hardest points for me.
@murateren5712
3 жыл бұрын
Good to hear that there are people who agree!
@maartjewaterman1193
3 жыл бұрын
It is kind of funny hoe foreigners can react quite differently about the Dutch weather. I once met an Italian in that country and he told me how pleasently amazed he was with the fact that in the Netherlands you could get to your hotel when the sun was radiantly shining without a cloud in sight and five minutes later you had to use an umbrella to avoid getting soaking wet. He loved that. I had a friend who was born and raised in Australia and married a Dutch man, came to live in the Netherlands and she often said how she loved the change of seasons here so much that she never wanted to live in her native country again coz here she felt so much more alive here. The first few years, she couldn't stop buying warm sweaters coz in Australia people wear the same summer clothing all year long.
@Misterjingle
2 жыл бұрын
As the opposite side of the spectrum, you have me. I used to live in Lille (so basically Dutch weather), and hated it there. I felt like I was loosing time of my life during the winter. The Netherlands is really a cool country, don’t get me wrong, I love it as a tourist, but the weather is what makes it impossible for me to consider living outside the Mediterranean 😅
@mm2f419
Жыл бұрын
About microagressions: I woudn't mind hearing what you heard. "Oh! How come you are brazilian? Your English is so great". Yeah, I know most people from my country don't speak English.
@gerwinsmelt250
4 жыл бұрын
Hi, firstly I want to thank you for making a video with negative points about this country. Usually there are videos with the positive points about the Netherlands, and it is refreshing to hear something else, and something that could be improved on. Some things you conceive as micro aggressions are also done by me. Only in my case it is a misconception because this is from sheer curiosity. When I ask such questions it is never from a hostile point of view. I know other dutch people do this to, but we are a blunt people. I know that some people are biased about Turkish people, and that from those people those things are meant as micro aggressions and i am sorry for that. I have had many pleasant encounters with people from turkey, and view them as very friendly, and always willing to help. With all that in mind, I am extremely proud to be a "Nederlandse" and are even more proud of the fact that even with these negative perspectives you still want to live here, and choose this country over another. My believe is that respect is the basis of most things, and when we can respect each other, possibilities are endless.
@murateren5712
4 жыл бұрын
Gerwin Smelt what a nice and friendly comment. Thank you for that! I can with all my heart say that I love this country. It has way more pros than cons with me, and one of the pros is the polite and educated people like yourself. :)
@martiekr
2 жыл бұрын
We aggree on the weather: a typical day in the netherlands: all four seasons in just one day.
@sedakkaya1
4 жыл бұрын
I feel you! 😄
@murateren5712
4 жыл бұрын
haha :D
@me0wme0w13
3 жыл бұрын
the first point is amazing just cold and rain like uk weather... perfect
@andrewdennis0
3 жыл бұрын
I've recently gotten married to a Dutch woman and have visited the country a few times now and I always really enjoy to the point where I wondered about living there. This has been pretty insightful. Oh and your last point is pretty accurate. As a visitor I've noticed the attitudes some Dutch have towards turkish, moroccan, and middle easterners. They may be native born Dutch but are still not looked at as being true Dutch because of their heritage and their culture is sort of looked down upon.
@murateren5712
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this message. I'm glad it was helpful. I also made a video about the pros of living here, so please have a look at that too. It's not all about the cons :)
@ingilizcetvim
2 жыл бұрын
@@kikkimora who cares? their ignorance and racism will just create 2nd 3rd 4th 5 th 100th generation people not to integrate not even talk with dutch and dutch can complain all day and night why immigrants didn't integrate? why should they ? why should they hear all your insults day and night and prove themself to you
@carolinef1508
11 ай бұрын
Now ask about the attitudes Moroccan people in particular have towards Dutch and other people: because a lot of them have 0 respect for other cultures and are often picking fights, harassing women and get extremely aggressive when you even vaguely glance in their direction. And let's not even start about how they treat gay people. Also, police does almost nothing because they don't want to be accused of racism. So they can do whatever the f they want, sometimes bullying and threatening their neighbors because of some perceived disrespect or because they nicely asked them not to kick over their trash can every day. And the police will do f all about it. Bet you didn't know that part. Now, go live in certain neighborhoods (I did and have been the victim of their shit many times) and you'll soon find out they are not the poor, helpless victims they pretend they are.
@im8548
3 жыл бұрын
Can someone please tell me how does the Netherlands compared to Canada and / or Australia?
@gustavscholten597
3 жыл бұрын
The Netherlands is a claustrophobic, wet, plat als een pannenkoek, klein postzegellandje met plaatselijke opklaringen,2 weken per jaar zomer dan alles weer potdicht met loodgrijze luchten, waar de mensen op fietsen tussen de buien door tegen de harde wind in trappen. Net nog zoals in de 1950’s. Australia is 200 x groter, blauwe luchten en het is er warmer, veel warmer.......
@eppsislike
3 жыл бұрын
I don't know where you were during the last three summers, but these were the most hottest and consistent summers I've witnessed. Which makes for an enjoyable experience. Other than that, you're pretty spot on.
@murateren5712
3 жыл бұрын
I was here, but different people have different perceptions of summer 😊
@quatra1000
11 ай бұрын
You should consider that most Dutch people are married and only socialize with family i.e. parents, in-laws, cousins, etc. If you don't have that your life will be pretty miserable, especially during the weekends. They don't party or go out for dinner with outsiders, unless there's a special occasion. Also, at work, your colleagues are just that. They're not your friends and you'll definitely not invite them in your home.
@candice1901
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this. I would really love to find someone and move there. It's beautiful and has a lot going for it but these are all good to know. Not stuff u really pick up on a holiday there
@murateren5712
4 жыл бұрын
candice hoover yes definitely that's what I tried to explain. But no matter what it's a beautiful country and I hope you find a way to move here. 😊
@elizabethomosura7586
3 жыл бұрын
It's my first time watching your videoooo you're so cute hahaha the way you speak English is too good!
@murateren5712
3 жыл бұрын
Aaw thanks *(blushes ☺️)*
@ericburbach632
4 жыл бұрын
you need to move to Zeeland where we have sun on most days
@murateren5712
4 жыл бұрын
Eric Burbach is it really that different in Zeeland? Awesome!
@ericburbach632
4 жыл бұрын
@@murateren5712 Yes it is, a huge difference in climate, in rainfall
@ericburbach632
4 жыл бұрын
Murat Eren Huge difference
@lazaroborges2253
4 жыл бұрын
@@ericburbach632 How do you guys deal with the earthquakes in NZ?
@ericburbach632
4 жыл бұрын
@@lazaroborges2253 lol, we dont need to
@oyounes5945
3 жыл бұрын
You got the social aspects on point
@murateren5712
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@pieternooten
4 жыл бұрын
1. Summers are getting hotter here with every season. We can have weeks of brilliant weather, where especially in Amsterdam a kind of festive atmosphere arises: everybody is outside, the parks and terraces (plenty of them!) are full and people are sitting on every thinkable corner of the city. We seem to enjoy these warm days more compared to countries where it's steaming hot all the time! 2. Complaining about the lack of communication and then telling how much you hate small talk seems a contradictio in terminis. Small talk is an intro to a more profound converstation most of the time and this goes for every culture, I pressume. 3. The Netherlands may be small but offers tons of recreational opportunities. I would recommend to go outside the city a bit more, starting with biking around the perifery of Amsterdam where you'll find the most gorgeous tiny villages and nature reserves. 4.True! 5. Not true at all! I can name countries, especially islamic, where you will be judged by being a muslim or not, not to mention being beheaded for just being liberal, homosexual or an atheist! The Netherlands is famous for being very liberal and tolerant so your experience may be subjective and a result of your own behaviour because that's what the Dutch are like: they judge people very bluntly and directly on their (lack of) social skills. Kindness here is something you earn. It's a very densily populated city and we all need to get along. ;-)
@mar3053
4 жыл бұрын
You're delusional....or Dutch. 😂😂😂
@enriqueali
3 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't say relationships are superficial. More like Dutch people are cautious in taking their time to go from one level of friendship to another
@murateren5712
3 жыл бұрын
Yes, that's probably why people get that feeling.
@vemulaabhinav1593
2 жыл бұрын
Hey Can I know where did you buy your sweater ? It looks damn good !!
@murateren5712
2 жыл бұрын
Haha thanks! It was from Tommy Hilfigher. 😄
@jvs6553
4 жыл бұрын
I'am a Dutch guy and when I say to a Foreigner that his English is great I think I praise him, It's just positive in my experience.
@murateren5712
4 жыл бұрын
jvs how about I say this to you 'you're quite clever for a Dutch guy'. And you hear it over and over again. That would make you feel like your people are stupid right? Of course I'm not taking every comment as an insult. I would be happy if you told me my English was good, but it's different when you add 'for a Turk'.
@Boborjan1986
4 жыл бұрын
@@murateren5712 Just dont pick it up. As you said yourself, its not the dutch attitude, but usually towards any foreigner in a given country. Maybe over time, humanity will come over it, but we arent there, yet.
@murateren5712
4 жыл бұрын
Attila Deák exactly...
@hansdevriesvonmengden3639
3 жыл бұрын
I think most dutch people would agree with your points, i am only a bit surprised about the small talk. But i could be living in my own bubble of people who talk about everything
@murateren5712
3 жыл бұрын
Well if you look at the comments here I think they couldn't disagree more 😅
@hansdevriesvonmengden3639
3 жыл бұрын
@@murateren5712 comment sections on social media are the garbage bins of society nowadays. I have the feeling that people often react worse than they really are. Then again, every society has its share of a'holes, and the netherlands is no exception
@murateren5712
3 жыл бұрын
@@hansdevriesvonmengden3639 exactly, and foreigners can easily become the target to these a'holes. Thanks a lot for your kind messages. :)
@bxbxm4045
4 жыл бұрын
Yes all you tell is true
@murateren5712
4 жыл бұрын
BxBxm thanks!
@MsClever26
4 жыл бұрын
I just applied for studies there and never knew this. thank you
@murateren5712
4 жыл бұрын
Good luck with your application!
@drumpuppy2000
3 жыл бұрын
Micro aggressions is just how dutch people talk to each other. It is common to ask very direct personal questions as well as give very honest unasked opinions. I'm not ignoring the fact that the netherlands just like any other country has actually assholes. But for the most part that's not the case. As you said these things aren't specifically to hurt your but it's just what's considered normal here. Even tho in many other cultures it would be offensive.
@keepitreal-777
2 жыл бұрын
Reality is : dutch people would never ever tell you what they really think about you. I dont think aggressiveness is a cultural think, but Amsterdam people is very aggressive and angry always.
@pritijain3547
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the details.... Could you share some details about registered/genuine job consultancy and house renting?
@melvinjansen2338
4 жыл бұрын
The country might feel small.. But please remember it's the most densely populated country in Europe and everyone lives his life just fine.
@trafficracer124
4 жыл бұрын
This tho
@КристинаГ-ц7ж
4 жыл бұрын
Really good video :) dropped like
@murateren5712
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks! :)
@best._.vibess
2 жыл бұрын
I am happy i found your channel! I hate The Netherlands and Belgium + the locals. I was already speaking Dutch when i took the worst desidion of my life to go to study Dutch there. Now, for more than 9 years i am working for the both countries from my own. I can’t say nothing good about them as a people, workers etc. They are rasist and two faced. Even i am taking to them in their own language i often got answers back but in English!? Only from this countries and i am travelling a lot! Ofcourse i can’t talk like a native and i am making mistakes but is not the point. They are too many dialekts that even the locaa don’t understand eachother.
@pwkh763
2 жыл бұрын
En ik ben blij dat jij veel reist
@best._.vibess
2 жыл бұрын
@@pwkh763 Tegen onbekende moet men “U” en zeker niet “Jij” gebruiken...maar dit is toch een typische reactie van mensen vanuit jouw land. En...zeker reizen maakt ons rijk.
@carolinef1508
11 ай бұрын
Bet you found it very convenient when people spoke English to you when you first arrived. There are so many foreigners here that we are used to speaking in English to be accomedating to them. I also know an expat who complains we don't speak enough Dutch, but every time I suggest we speak in Dutch it's "not today, I am tired/hangover/not in the mood"🤣 Funnily enough, you still need us because you still work with us. Better find a job where you don't have to deal with us, but you are hypocritical enough to use the benefits of interacting with us. Even funnier is that people like this talk about 'micro aggressions' but then go on full out aggressive rants. Looks like you are the one with the aggression problem
@carolinef1508
11 ай бұрын
@@pwkh763is het niet grappig dat dit soort mensen klagen over 'micro aggressions' maar het normaal vinden om vol agressie over ons te praten en dat normaal te vinden?😂
@carolinef1508
11 ай бұрын
@@best._.vibessTegen onbekende mensen moet men "u" zeggen? Waarom gebruikt u dan "jouw" en niet "uw" in dezelfde post?😎 Niet rijk genoeg om ons niet nog nodig te hebben, aangezien u nog steeds werkt met Nederlandse klanten.
@Cl0ckcl0ck
4 жыл бұрын
When you are hugged it's always fine.
@hvermout4248
2 жыл бұрын
Good video, Murat! More videos like this. We don't want all those people moving to the Netherlands.
@marysolzetina
3 жыл бұрын
Living in Finland this sounds like a joke. Specially being Mexican...
@murateren5712
3 жыл бұрын
Haha I understand 😄 That's why I'm not living in Finland.
@ingilizcetvim
2 жыл бұрын
of course denmark sweden and finland are the most racist countries in the world you should be lucky to find a cleaning job as an expat in finland
@ingilizcetvim
2 жыл бұрын
@@murateren5712 i prefer to die than moving to Finland
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