I have to believe, given how much power is in the device, we'll see firmware updates that will bring chords and arps. Possibly pattern chaining.
@minimal3734
2 күн бұрын
I think there's more to come soon. Some of the functions feel like they're in the MVP (Minimum Viable Product) phase. Also there are several unlit buttons which are waiting to be implemented.
@matthewgaines10
10 сағат бұрын
Buy it for what it is, not for what it could be in the future.
@myanrellick
8 сағат бұрын
@@matthewgaines10....I did
2 күн бұрын
As an Ableton Live Lite user, I can fell your 4-track-pain...
@mmacult5336
2 күн бұрын
just use a cracked version bruh...
2 күн бұрын
@@mmacult5336 I guess I won't...
@douglasfugazi
2 күн бұрын
@@mmacult5336how it works in Mac?
@Johnny-Hash
2 күн бұрын
@@mmacult5336 Naah. Just work harder & stop being a lazy boy..
@towerrunner4675
2 күн бұрын
My Pocket Operator also has 4 tracks and a mic. I love Ableton, but I don't need this thing.
@ChrisP3000x
Күн бұрын
Someone doing an actual REVIEW for once. wow! I'm subbing. Keep it up. Hope this isn't just another marketing sales demo channel.
@bennydesign
Күн бұрын
@@ChrisP3000x thats not a review. Thats playing around for 12 minutes and making a youtube video. Watch Ricky Tinez for a review .. he actually knows how to use these instruments
@ChrisP3000x
Күн бұрын
@@bennydesign I've supported RT for years. He does great reviews for the few products he is NOT connected to. He does very thorough sales demos for those he IS connected to.
@margaretchristo6859
2 күн бұрын
Great, unbiased review. Thank you.
@max2jack924
2 күн бұрын
For me, the chord/arp implementation is the most important in a device like this. Hope that Ableton watch your video 😁
@ChipWarden
2 күн бұрын
Complaining about the ability to transfer sets to Note and/or Live is quite a take. As a sketchpad device, this is literally the "killer feature": transfer the set to Live without having to re-record and flesh out the idea with as little friction as possible. My music making time is precious and anything to save me time is very much welcomed.
@samprock
2 күн бұрын
Totally! Killer feature for me, I still have 8 (best) projects on my OP-Z. Managed to Rec just one to Ableton, but never finished. That was part of my feedback to video but my comment is not public. Probably I provided "too much" of feedback to the video LOL incl complaining on 4 tracks w/o mentioning note playing, complaining on Move's massive velocity AT pads, comparing to MPC/M+ in league where the Push is. Never seen smooth workflow + "capture" + velocity pads + 32pads + 16seq + transfer feature on compatibles MC-101, OP-1, OP-Z, MV-1, Polyends etc. Whole vid sounds unfair to Ableton and misleading to musicians watching it. I'm very excited Move coming home tomorrow!
@Paul-mf7zx
6 сағат бұрын
@@samprockwhat do you think now after trying it?
@samprock
6 сағат бұрын
@@Paul-mf7zxMate, it’s amazing! Last night had fun in bed, yes, with Move 😂 Capture and Undo workflow tops. All self explanatory and natural. Made pretty tune with 2 synth tracks and one hefty drum using 6-8 percs. All easy to play and find/change. Today connected to Live in control mode. I’m fkn lazy. I like it even better than Push because it’s small, can reach to 8knobs and undo and pads. It’s just feels continuation of Logitech computer keyboard. And it works simultaneously with Push I have on a side. I usually keep large synth in front of me and need to move Push in middle. Move just feel a small space. And they play together Push and Move, it’s like Machine and Studio, only Mive smaller and takes no space. Happy for around the house standalone and a small controller on studio desk I always dreamed of (believe me I tried nothing made me happy as this thing). 🎉
@kozihoppy
2 күн бұрын
Thank you for your honest review Sanjay, much appreciated. 🙏🏻
@michael7018
2 күн бұрын
My favourite thing on this well designed device is Capture. You just jam and hit Capture button upper right and voila, you have it as a clip. Not sure why he didn’t cover that. I’m waiting for mine. I have a studio full of synths and all that jazz. But, I tried Elektron Sample, OP 1, Polyend portables. Sold them all, because of workflow. This, will suit me for sure. Can’t believe you didn’t cover what should be your favourite number 1 . Capture. There’s 32GB and 4 GB of RAM makes this a great device. The price is right and will bury all other competitors. They will keep updating the firmware which will open up even more Live kits and synths. You also didn’t cover wifi built in to sync to Ableton Cloud and Manager. You can save your idea wirelessly and load new kits etc. Obviously not getting paid by Ableton to review it? ❤ it! Will post a review in a few weeks after I get it this week.
@samprock
2 күн бұрын
IKR! Same drill on all grooveboxes big and small. Can't wait for mine to be home tomorrow. Love seeying (good reviewers) never even press Rec, just Capture. Workflow, integration, pads, knobs, transfer, preset is a Live synth you can unfold, later other way around etc. All look so promising and answering many question we have for years truly! Cheers! It's either shallow/lazy/clickbate or even paid by competitor situation here LOL
@philippeedwards5813
2 күн бұрын
I don't care about the 4 tracks, with the possibility of playing melodies out of DR pads, you can play around that limitation pretty easily. The ONLY thing that is missing for my specific workflow is note/step probability. I use it a lot with ghost kicks, snares and percussion to make loop variations. If they added that it would be a perfect machine for me. I have the APC 64 and its step sequencer has note probability, but it hasn't the nudge option. If Move had both nudge and probability, I'm buying it right away.
@soysos.tuffsound
2 күн бұрын
This... I use probability with Drambo all the time, love it.
@SoundOfVinyl
2 күн бұрын
Send this to the ableton move team, they can put it in a future update
@bennydesign
Күн бұрын
@@philippeedwards5813 Move does have Nudge .. havent seen prop though
@damelos4039
2 күн бұрын
Firmware is your friend. I know you shouldn't buy based on what "might " be added but we know Ableton will add the other functions fairly soon. I'm thinking arp and the ubiquitous request of additional tracks (Shift +X to get page 2) and four more tracks.
@ignite2069
2 күн бұрын
I knew you'd have a review for me.
@P4TCH5S
Күн бұрын
I got a move! I hate the limitations but I LOVE the device. I can throw it in my bag and bike somewhere to make a beat! so great! Looking forward to the firmware updates!
@drindy5166
2 күн бұрын
SanJay!!! Waaasssaaaabbbbiiii!!! Also... Goodmorning from Canada my brother 👊🇨🇦👍
@ScreamThatShyt
2 күн бұрын
lol
@CpT1977
2 күн бұрын
Great review
@FatalExit
2 күн бұрын
Distrokid showing up immediately after you bring up things you don't like is perfect comedic timing, have to hard agree on that one! 😂
@faganwilcox2443
Күн бұрын
This is the fastest song creation workflow I’ve ever used.
@bennydesign
2 күн бұрын
Cant understand the hate. €250? That will buy you a Roland P-6. Not even an EP-133, nor a Play+ or Sonicware or Circuit. But thats the Internet, where not even the Digitakt II is adequat.
@smithmann5616
2 күн бұрын
Yeah no. In the US the P-6 is $199 while the Move is $449. In Canada the P-6 $289 and the Move, ready for this, $599. You can get a Model:Samples or a Model:Cycles for $399 CAD. Hell I Paid $299 for my Circuit Tracks before recent price inflation. $599 CAD for this thing with 4 tracks is way too much, Ableton integration or no Ableton integration. 8 tracks and $499 CAD, maybe. 8 and $399, sure. Also, EP-133 list price on TE website is $299 ($412.46 CAD) vs. $449 for this ($599 CAD). So no. 8 tracks is a fail. Everybody is saying it. Ableton should have known it too.
@minimal3734
2 күн бұрын
@@smithmann5616 The P-6 is no competition for the Move. Maximum sample length: P-6: 2.9 sec., Move: 240 sec. (44,1 kHz stereo) Sequencer Steps: P-6: 64, Move: 256 Polyphony: P-6: 16, Move: 64 Storage: P-6: 48 samples, Move: Only limited by the 64 GByte of internal storage. The P-6 doesen't have a wavetable synth and a virtual analog synth. It doesen't have a chromatically playable grid with polyphonic aftertouch. The P-6 is a great instrument, but compared to Move it is a toy.
@bennydesign
Күн бұрын
@@smithmann5616 watch the two videos that @sonicstate did on the move ..
@bennydesign
Күн бұрын
@@minimal3734 yeah, but people say €250 would be the right price for the move … lol
@povertyofphilosophy1788
2 күн бұрын
Great vid, really like it but can’t drop 450 for 4 tracks
@gavinhammond3137
Күн бұрын
4 piece 3 piece and two piece bands have been a thing for years . As a professional music composer. It is my only and full-time job. I can confidently say four tracks is plenty for me to do anything I need to professionally
@sneaky_general
9 сағат бұрын
Would be really cool if it had a basic sidechain compression like the Novation Circuits. If that gets added in an update I might have to grab one!
@cresshead
2 күн бұрын
Q, can you record vocals via the microphone as the backing plays along for timing/pitch reference? and so put a separate vocal in a clip/track?
@JamesLevine-x2y
Күн бұрын
We have a contemptible thread on the Ableton forums regarding the fact that everything on here caters to 4/4 common time, to the extent in which there isn’t even a notion of other time signatures more are there alternate and divisible lengths of sequences. Although you get what you pay for and there’s still plenty fun with these constraints, I’d expect to see this on the top five don’t likes list
@_TheViewer_
2 күн бұрын
So the effects came per templates or did you had to set them up before in ableton ? Shouts from Berlin as always, stay healthy both of you ✌️
@majorchutzpah7265
2 күн бұрын
Templates
@_TheViewer_
2 күн бұрын
@@majorchutzpah7265 Cool, thanks for clarifying!
@soysos.tuffsound
2 күн бұрын
Thanks for your thoughts on this. I'd consider myself an advanced Live user, but this doesn't interest me at all right now. Maybe in a year, if they expand and improve on this device. I messed with a friend's Move the other day, I really like the form factor tho. I checked out Note when it first came out and honestly it didn't spark joy for me at all.
@VentureNW
2 күн бұрын
Oddly - you can do a whole lot more in the Note app, than you can with this - More tracks, more tweaking, rename sets, etc.
@vsemarno
2 күн бұрын
I hope they'll add an ability to add more than 4 tracks
@draggabeats
2 күн бұрын
Good thing Boom Bap beats are just 1. Vinyl Sample 2. Drums 3. Bassline, I’m already seeing a lot of Boom Bap producers making beats with Move.
@EdoardoMarcora
2 күн бұрын
Why not, when on Session mode, use a modifier button (session?) together with the trigger buttons to launch and stop the vertical scenes?
@kingof9x
2 күн бұрын
Think about the difference between push 1, 2 and push 3 stand alone. Version 2 and 3 woll be amazing.
@ChrisP3000x
Күн бұрын
V2 - 2030
@djrandalldean
2 күн бұрын
The lower crest factor on the pad hits could be a good thing for a performance instrument. Helps prevent big peaks clipping over the PA. No?
@MrVuvu
2 күн бұрын
Thanks for a great review Sanjay. Is the battery user replaceable? Ableton made a big splash on that fact with Push 3 but not here which makes me wonder. I wish the integration was more integrated. Why can't you transfer sets to Ableton via USB? It's already a Live controller points to Ableton. Also wish their app Note had Live controller mode.
@UnrealOcean
2 күн бұрын
Hi, could you make a video using the MOVE and the LAUNCH KEY MINI mk4 together! i think this will be the combination i go for! and hopefully ableton take some notes !
@gregfromthevaley
2 күн бұрын
I think we will see a lot of new features being implemented in future updates. That being said 4 track limit is something you have to accept forever.
@BryanVehonsky
2 күн бұрын
The 4-track limit has to be put in context of the price and all the other features you are getting. Yeah, I wish it had more tracks too, but that would have had to make the device bigger to accommodate the pad layout, which translates into higher costs. If you jumped to 6-tracks (because 5 wouldn't make much sense) you are going to be looking at a device that is basically the size of a Push 1/2 and rubbing against the fact that this is a portable device.
@EnochDark
2 күн бұрын
I intend to pair mine with other existing groove boxes so it doesn't seem so limited to me.
@Lunolux
2 күн бұрын
they can "just" add a "button" that enable to switch to the next 4-Track, so we can had 8-Track i find 4-Track not enough
@BryanVehonsky
2 күн бұрын
@@Lunolux "Just" doing that then basically doubles the computational/memory requirements down the chain or makes the existing hardware spec run worse.
@diego_fdez
2 күн бұрын
@@BryanVehonsky computing power is cheap now a days, this has a Raspberry pi4 compute module inside...p5 2x-3x faster than pi4... price difference is not massive. They limited on purpose but the workflow is not there to support 4 tracks only. I hope they can improve it. An Electron Digitak1 goes for the same price and looks like a far more mature machine. anyway, lets give Ableton time to fix it... then maybe I buy
@Goldlion973
2 күн бұрын
@@diego_fdezprops to your comment.
@jorcis67
2 күн бұрын
I'm interested, but $450 too expensive. Maybe between $250-300 range. How about having integration with Ableton Note on iOS and then you have more tracks? 😅
@lamardoss
2 күн бұрын
It seems great at what it does. Really could get some nice production workflows with it… But for how little it does, the price is too big. I love it. I don’t love it to justify $450 though. Great vid nonetheless man. 👍🏼
@artephank
2 күн бұрын
I didn’t use move but disliking push pads? Like, are there any better on the market? I user plenty of different pads and those in Push3 are best by huge margin
@lvinivl
2 күн бұрын
Does it seem to me that the functionality of the devices is specifically limited so that we buy more things? Adding an araeggio doesn't seem like such a problem to me. But there is no such function. But there is a usb. Very suspicious.
@pongtrometer
2 күн бұрын
With all that pad space and touch sensitive knobs , the arp section , should have been. T1 killer , should have been a super duper poly timing ratcheting little monster…there isn’t on device that makes you go , this unique…. I’m happy with my novation circuit rhythm….even if they developed some performance effects, with updates….but maybe it will expand with updates , it was 10 years before the OG op1 got usb audio…so anything is possible. 👾
@simoncoudeville
2 күн бұрын
There are some empty shift functions spots under the sequencer, maybe they'll add some more features like chords there? Would be nice.
@djcontour
Күн бұрын
I would have to guess that with a future firmware update, we will be able to “shift + pad” to ad another bank of clips. Sort of like maschine.
@Rustik1722
2 күн бұрын
FREE ASSOCIATION ANSWER…CIRCUIT OR MOVE?
@abletonflow4673
2 күн бұрын
16 tracks in just one drum rack, just like a DIGITAKT 2. And you have 3 extra to put 3 more Drum Racks if you want.
@theoremgeek
2 күн бұрын
hope they add support for audio track in future firmware updates...
@DougNak
2 күн бұрын
Hope you do a controller mode video too 🙏
@drewthedirector
2 күн бұрын
the 4 track limit is kinda a dealbreaker for me, who thought that was a good idea. I mean i've been looking for a "push mini" to bring with me when i travel so this could still be super useful but annoying that 4 tracks is still the limit.. like WHY ableton? lol
@AllKapucino
2 күн бұрын
what about controling live?
@kierenmoore3236
2 күн бұрын
Great video, Sanjay. Very helpful, thank you. It seems most all negatives could potentially be addressed via firmware updates (I don’t consider the mic/speakers a problem, since they can be easily augmented; yet maintain utmost portability, as is) … the only drawback that can’t be addressed at all, being the physical pads themselves (no MPE is a shame, but I understand they are Poly AT? … and sensitivity can perhaps be addressed via firmware?!). I too love the ability to plug in an external keyboard - in fact, that is a must for me. So, the main question I’m left with is whether/in what circumstances I am forced to use (and $ubscribe to) Ableton Cloud … and how much I can transfer from/to Move, without involving Ableton Cloud at all … ?! Obviously, this device can be a gateway drug to full-blown Ableton-user status … but need it be? How much can I do without Ableton Cloud - or without Ableton at all, even … ? 🙏🏼
@javonscott4777
2 күн бұрын
It's like what the MV-1 should've been lol
@EnochDark
2 күн бұрын
Finally someone else sees this! I was close to getting one of those when they came out but just felt like it could be better somehow... Does kinda make me wish I'd passed on Circuit Rhythm and Polyend Tracker but eh I kinda collect groovebox/drum machines as a thing so yeah guess this one is next right? 🤑
@fernandoanacletofirmino1518
Күн бұрын
Is it rechargeable?
@Elkesar1
2 күн бұрын
Loved old circut but its synths engine was very uninspiring for me. This look so nice, with easy ableton exports and workflow… Iam sold :)
@2players183
2 күн бұрын
Honestly I thought it would actually sound better than this, Mini Nova Engine on Novation Tracks sounds much better. How flip work on each track work? How many samples/drum sounds I can play/alternate on each track?
@colinreese
2 күн бұрын
Logic Pro for iPad is the truth. You have to try it if you haven't.
@jacksp8de
2 күн бұрын
I really like this thing but it’s a but too expensive. $249 would be a good price.
@majorchutzpah7265
2 күн бұрын
It isn't plastic like everything else in that price range
@bjamminsincebirth3494
2 күн бұрын
@@majorchutzpah7265well maybe they should have made it plastic..lol 😂$450 can buy and used MPC One or SP404 Mkii which both have screens and better editing of samples.
@jacksp8de
2 күн бұрын
@@majorchutzpah7265 Didn't know that. Its metal?
@majorchutzpah7265
2 күн бұрын
@jacksp8de I'm under the impression that it is. Everybody was complimenting the build quality.
@AlexandreSoma
2 күн бұрын
All this limitations for $450???? Here in Brazil it can achieve 10 TIMES the price for currency and taxes... MOVE AWAY!
@jalitheengineer
2 күн бұрын
This makes me appreciate the gear I have. No GAS on this one
@mcdan2696
2 күн бұрын
Thank you for your transparent review! Waste of $$$
@moad8794
Сағат бұрын
$450 for this is absolutely laughable. I didnt look up a price until after reviews came out and guessed 250 to 300. Ableton is becoming the apple of music production
@thebl8nlyblatantnetwork
2 күн бұрын
The mpc could never 🤯🤯🤯
@sinewaymusic
2 күн бұрын
The MPC is so much more capable, even for EDM-style music. Just posted another jam on it on our channel.
@nukenoly8751
2 күн бұрын
Any cheap laptop with a Push 1 for the same price 😊
@MattRid
2 күн бұрын
So much love and hate for tech so little music...
@kellygreenii
2 күн бұрын
The device is a sketch pad. It is not the Push.
@duarteestelita7257
2 күн бұрын
it’s cool, i like it.. but that’s a lot of money. thanks very much for the review. ;)
@rjadamz9117
Күн бұрын
Not worth the $500 asking price as it is now. If Ableton adds / fixes everything you’ve mentioned…I’m in. I hope they do.
@vardges.arakelyan
2 күн бұрын
They just leaving space for Move 2. Thats it. If they put all the features in this toy then who is gonna but the next one. Worst thing in modern marketing(((
@lostreligion1313
Күн бұрын
Move is such a great product, absolutely perfect for what i was looking for.
@va941
2 күн бұрын
They made a half baked product, and everybody who doesnt see that is a blind fanboy coping hard😂
@kirk6115
2 күн бұрын
really looking forward to a video on the new studio one if possible
@Steve-hx8nc
2 күн бұрын
I’m sure they will update all the “cons”
@MattRid
10 сағат бұрын
fo’ da kidz...
@douglasfugazi
2 күн бұрын
This device is pretty expensive. Plus, you will need buy Ableton software too 😂
@dj3stripes
2 күн бұрын
450 bucks for only 4 tracks? Hard pass
@filmingkey
2 күн бұрын
Yes but each drum rack has 16 of its own monophonic tracks. You can make an entire beat just with one drum rack. It can do much more than you think.
@americoperez810
2 күн бұрын
Yup. Ableton just put out a video performance that shows someone using a single track for the entire performance by using this concept of using the drum rack for everything. Go check it out.
@EnochDark
2 күн бұрын
You should buy the Akai Remix 16 on Reverb for the same price instead then.
@bjamminsincebirth3494
2 күн бұрын
@@filmingkey$450 shouldn’t have to have a workaround
@americoperez810
2 күн бұрын
@@EnochDark can the remix export to Ableton?
@chalkbodyoutline
2 күн бұрын
11:14 where are guy getting launchkey for $100?
@SpiritDK
2 күн бұрын
as he also mentioned, i feel you get A LOT more for your money getting a Launchkey and yes the 25 or mini25 is still a little bigger, but you get so much more, this feels more like a gimic, like "oh we have to put anything on the market, people love our puch, make something kinda like it" and if you look at the market, my personal feeling is that there are many and a lot better controllers out there some even a lot smaller and with a lot more features if you are that person that "I absolutely have to hike a mountain and make my music there" personly I have the LK37 MK2 and this one though a little interesting is not making me run to the store
@whoadog8725
2 күн бұрын
You’re making an apples to oranges comparison. This works without a computer on a rechargeable battery unlike the controllers you mentioned.
@SpiritDK
2 күн бұрын
@@whoadog8725 with only 4 track good luck using this without a computer and making anything resembling real music, sure you can bang out a few ideas on the bus on your way home or something, but you're not even partly finishing anything on this one without a computer
@va941
2 күн бұрын
500€ preset player 😂😂😂 ableton fanboys are something else! And not in a good way 🎉🎉🎉
@edumerloph
2 күн бұрын
You need to try Polyend products. More tracks, waaaaaaaaay more flexible.
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