I saw this earlier but didn't get around to trying and testing it until now. When I play 60fps retrogames, I don't like the flicker but I can't live without oled motion pro either. This makes it at least bearable. I only notice on bright colours & bright spots on the screen now. Strangely flicker seems a lot less when viewing in a dark room vs. day time & sunlight. Anyway, here's a small token of appreciation.
@plasmatvforgaming9648
Жыл бұрын
I appreciate your contribution. I'm glad to hear that. You can reduce the brightness even more if you change the Gama to 1.9. Try that, too.
@paulcox2447
Жыл бұрын
120hz bfi for the win
@diegocardosoalves
11 ай бұрын
Thanks! I used this configuration on my G3 and it looked fantastic.
@plasmatvforgaming9648
11 ай бұрын
Awesome!
@vairoxx4031
Жыл бұрын
I reccomend to instal RGB lightstrips or general a light behind the tv or even better a ambilight that matches the picture colour. It helps extremely good against eye fatigue because you don't have that bright screen and pitchblack wall contrast anymore which irritates your eyes. Also it enhances the picture by giving you the feeling of a bigger screen
@YC305
Жыл бұрын
Oye bro, congrats on the channel. I just got an LG 27” OLED Monitor. Any experience with that? Any recommendations? Thanks
@plasmatvforgaming9648
Жыл бұрын
I have a video coming about that monitor. A member of our community sent me some pictures of the service menu demonstrating how the monitor changes the tone mapping curve depending on the content bit sometimes in a weird way
@plasmatvforgaming9648
Жыл бұрын
It's coming
@YC305
Жыл бұрын
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 awesome 👏 thank you
@hdmoviesource
Жыл бұрын
So after this point in the calibration, what effects the flickering more? OLED Pixel Brightness or Peak Brightness? What made you pick 40? And did you raise it to 40 based the nits from a test pattern? Is there a certain level of nits that keep flicking at bay? Like 300 nits? Also, could you lower the OLED Pixel Brightness by more, but then use the Peak Brightness to get it back, and is it better or worse to include the Peak Brightness on low, med or high? In the Calibration setting, can they be raised more than 10 or is that maxed out? Also, if you raise everything by 10, is that the same at raising the OLED Pixel Brightness by 10? Great video thanks.
@plasmatvforgaming9648
Жыл бұрын
I believe that Peak brightness is a continuation of the OLED Light slider, so just more of the same. It might just be the point (after maxing out OLED light) where you're not getting any more color brightness, and the white subpixel is going to start diluting the colors.
@plasmatvforgaming9648
Жыл бұрын
I peak 40 because it was matching my Plasma and because increasing it beyond that point wasn't giving me any more full screen brightness due to ABL, so it's going to actually be more consistent and act as a reference SDR monitor if that makes sense (little to no ABL)
@plasmatvforgaming9648
Жыл бұрын
To include Peak brightness Low medium or High might be the same as to increase the OLED Light to a certain point but it might be boosting the white subpixel more than OLED Light so just in case I prefer to bet on OLED Light
@plasmatvforgaming9648
Жыл бұрын
You can raise it in more than 10. I was told Gere in the comments by someone who seems to know more than me about calibration that this 10 value I used across the 22 points is actually decreasing the Gama to 2.
@plasmatvforgaming9648
Жыл бұрын
The OLED pixel brightness isn't the same as the 22-point brightness. One affects luminance output the other affects the Gama
@marciosousa89
Жыл бұрын
It flickers like hell 🔥
@plasmatvforgaming9648
Жыл бұрын
Try 100 or 120fps/Hz
@marciosousa89
Жыл бұрын
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 I'm using your SDR HDR trick with WB 0, motion pro medium, playing RE4 remake HDR on in game, it looks good, I'm having an issue with RDR2, when i disable HDR in game, it also disables HDR everywhere, i think it looks good with HDR on anyway
@plasmatvforgaming9648
Жыл бұрын
If you have HDR ON in the game you're not using the SDR HDR trick. RDR2 using Vulkan has that issue, try DX12 to use the SDR HDR trick. RdR2 HRR has black level raised
@marciosousa89
Жыл бұрын
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 Does your SDR HDR trick can be used with HDR ON in game?
@plasmatvforgaming9648
Жыл бұрын
@M. Sousa No, HDR in game off, Auto HDR off
@displaytalk
Жыл бұрын
I think a better solution will be to just decrease oled light and sit farther away, but I can see how reduced dynamic range(raise near black and lower near white) can help too.
@NeonPizza80s
Жыл бұрын
Excess BFI flicker(which breaks the feature for me when watching movies/TV) and what seems to be 3x the amount of film judder compared to Plasma, are the only two issues i take with QD-OLED/OLED. Question is, will TV manufactures step up next year and actually find a way to get the flicker down to the point of not being bothersome, like a Plasma? Or will they constantly sweep this sh** under the rug seeing as how most OLED buyers don't even use BFI in the first place? I've also read that Panasonic's line of OLED's from 2 years or so back from Europe and Asia actually deliver 1080p motion clarity with their BFI settings, but again, they're most likely plagued with too much BFI flicker like every other LG & Samsung OLED to even be worth while for those that value motion AND don't wan't their eye balls completely strained. :P Sure, those strobey' super flicks are only noticeable on whites, but it's enough to distract and take you out of the experience. If Samsung can reduce QD-OLED BFI flicks down to a plasma, possibly get BFI latency down to 20ms(instead of 29-30ms) and create some sort of feature that reduces film judder without forcing SOE I'd be stoked. And of course to improve BFI further for higher motion clarity than 600p and lower than 8ms persistence. I'd be cool with 4ms for now, I mean it's still no CRT but an improvement over 8ms regardless. As is, I'll take any high end plasma over QD-OLED & OLED for Streaming movies/TV & Blu-rays. Unfortunately, that nasty OLED BFI flicker and that choppy film judder wind up overriding those amazing QD-OLED true blacks, high brigthness, whiter whites and that 4K 'looking through a window' ultra sharp clarity/resolution. Soley in terms of movies/TV that is. I don't know, i just can't stand watching movies on OLED without BFI, but with it, i'm still screwed because of the harsh flickering effect. But when it comes to gaming? QD-OLED + 120fps is the ticket! It's beautiful. Hopefully they'll also reintroduce 120hz BFI next year too.
@displaytalk
Жыл бұрын
@@NeonPizza80s It would be very hard to make modern strobe have the same ergonomics as plasma. Takes a very high hz to simulate it.
@NeonPizza80s
Жыл бұрын
@@displaytalk Until then, i'm thinking about just getting a panasonic ST60 plasma and using that for streaming movies, TV & for Blur-ray's. Since the harsh flicker on whites make MotionPro High/BFI unusable to me with my LG C1. Bummer. Back to 300p motion clarity slathered in mushy motion blur thanks to the higher 16ms persistence. And that choppy OLED film judder doesn't help the matter either. Still want to get a Samsung S95C QD-OLED specifically for gaming, and take advantage of 120fps as much as possible.
@EpisodicGamer
Жыл бұрын
Out of curiosity, if we are talking about eye strain and protecting our eyes by reducing the brightness, does that generally mean that future LG TV with better panel tech that increases its brightness to 1000+ nits are going to be pointless if we are to reduce brightness to help our eyes anyways under dark viewing enviroments?
@plasmatvforgaming9648
Жыл бұрын
I'm reducing the brightness to help mitigate the visible flickering that some people can't tolerate when using 60fps OLED motion pro (bfi). HDR sample and hold doesn't have bothersome flickering. HDR should be ideally enjoyed in a completely dark room. The jump from 100 to 1000 nits is perceived by our eyes as the same jump from 1000 to 10000 (PQ Max limit), because our eyes perceive brightness in a logarithmic manner.we need 10000 nits full screen for perfectly accurate HDR and I can imagine how that looks (eye searing) but tolerable for a moment
@garyvojtek1907
Жыл бұрын
For ps5, you have to play a HDR game in SDR for this right? I wasn't able to change anything in the 2 point method on the C1 using HDR.
@plasmatvforgaming9648
Жыл бұрын
Yes, these are SDR settings
@NeonPizza80s
2 ай бұрын
Why can't companies like Samsung incorporate better internal BFI in their QD-OLED's with less latency, combined with an option to force HDR10 brightness into SDR to compensate for the 50% brightness loss from dropping down from a 16ms to 8ms persistence? I guess it's all to do with money at the end of the day, and the fact that most people just don't seem to care. Tink4K will cut down 50% of that motion blur, while reinforcing HDR10 for high SDR brightness, you can easily fine tune and correct black crushing or issues with colours, and the end result is an image that should look just as good as it did prior to using BFI, with the exception of BFI flicker and jumping up to 20-21ms of lag. Since you're getting 2.5ms from tink4K, 8.3ms from it's BFI and then 9-10ms from your TV's game mode. Not an amazing solution mind you, as it's also capped to 1080p and as i mentioned before doubles latency. QD-OLED TV motion is still in a frustrating spot for me. :P
@plasmatvforgaming9648
2 ай бұрын
If I worked for Samsung I'd 2x, 4x, 8x, and 16x the motion at 60, and 2x, 4x, 8x at 120. It's totally possible and it would just raise the price for the additional hardware a little bit (maybe 300 more)
@NeonPizza80s
2 ай бұрын
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 With QD-OLED, seems like Tink4K is our best bet for now. The chief from Blur Busters was saying that his dream is to work on some sort CRT Beam technology combined with 3000-4000 nit OLED displays by the end of the year, that will get them nearly motion blur free, by brute forcing 480hz-960hz. And yes, Samsung should hire you! :P If only more casual OLED buyers realized what they were actually missing. Gen Z grew up with mostly LED TV's, so they don't have a clue as far as motion clarity goes.
@Alancard88
Жыл бұрын
hey man, reduce blue light ON for me looks better than set to warm50, colors look more natural and look like plasma tv colors, but also feel a little too much warm, you feel the same when compared to the image of your plasmas? i have a c2, I like to play in HDR on pc
@plasmatvforgaming9648
Жыл бұрын
Plasmas warm up over time, your Plas.a is probably warmer than d65. Reduce blue light is going to be very inaccurate, use it if you like it but here the Warm50 is the best option
@NeonPizza80s
Жыл бұрын
I didn't realize that MotionPro High on the LG C1 did a better job at reducing motion blur when gaming at 60fps than the 8ms persistence from gaming at 120fps. I had to use motionpro low @120fps to get similar results. If vanilla 120 gets you down to 8ms, where does Motion Pro High get you when gaming at 60fps? 6ms? Such a shame MPHigh doesn't work properly for low frame rate content like you pointed out, like streaming, Bluray & DVD's. This is why i'm just going to get a 60-65" ST60 plasma solely for movies and TV, and call it a day. I can't see ANY of these TV manufactures stepping up and bettering the pathetic state of OLED motion handling for 2024 or any time soon.. 300p motion resolution caked in all of that motion blur, with what seems to be almost 2x the film judder as plasma has me running for the hills. lol I do NOT like watching movies and TV on OLED, at all. The ST60 has 800p motion clarity, less film judder and a much lower motion persistence. Not exactly sure where it ranks, but it beats out the S60's and especially any OLED.
@plasmatvforgaming9648
Жыл бұрын
OLED Motion Pro high works at 50, 60 100, and 120fps/Hz and it reduces the persistence to 38%, so at 60fps, 38% of 16.6ms is 6.3ms
@plasmatvforgaming9648
Жыл бұрын
Check out this livestream, it was Motion clarity heavy kzitem.infoE9hL-qtuAN4?feature=share
@plasmatvforgaming9648
Жыл бұрын
24fps looks terrible no matter the persistence because it stutters. Plasmas look less bad at 24fps. The term motion resolution was spread due to an old benchmark and it doesn't explain motion clarity. There is no such thing as a 300 lines or 1080 lines of motion resolution. The minimum motion blur any display can have is 1 pixel of motion blur at the maximum eye tracking speed of the individual. 1ms of persistence is equal to 1 pixel of motion blur when moving at 1000 pixels per second (at best, meaning it cannot be better, and it could be worse than that due to GtG limitations)
@plasmatvforgaming9648
Жыл бұрын
The LG C1 OLED motion clarity is significantly better than any Plasma.
@NeonPizza80s
Жыл бұрын
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 You mentioned that you cannot use motionpro high for low frame rate content(24&30fps) which means you're stuck with high motion blur for film, aside from oled judder looking even more magnified. And I can't stand that artificial SOE effect in movies when using the de-judder setting. As it is, i always fall back to my S60 plasma for movies. Less motion blur and less judder just make it a far more enjoyable and less distracting experience. Plus 1080p content looks a little better since there's no upscaling.
@TheAbdID
Жыл бұрын
Bfi really seems to be a game changer. You can increase the lifetime of your GPU just becasue fo that. The only thing you need is 60 fps. I wish I could use BFI. As a samsung owner I unfortunately can't use it on the qn90b because of intense flickering but I really wanna see the difference my self. I heard the x95k also has a good BFI implementation with only about 80 nits loss which is crazy + sonys good overall motion handling. I can only imagine how it looks.
@paulcox2447
Жыл бұрын
If you can handle your display visibly flickering at all times. 60hz BFI is noticeable
@plasmatvforgaming9648
Жыл бұрын
Try to adjust the settings similar to what I did here.
@BA3YDADDY
6 ай бұрын
If BFI is turned on should you use Medium on locked 60fps games and High on locked 120fps games? What about if I have my PS5 on 120hz and I start a game that support 120hz but it doesn’t hit the target so I chose a 60fps locked fps performance mode in the game, it’s still in 120hz mode but only running locked 60fps, should I then use BFI on medium or High? Thanks
@PenPineappleApplePen007
Жыл бұрын
This is great. You said it will work on consoles too, so then it will work on my Xbox Series X. Will it work on 60 fps and 120 fps games?
@plasmatvforgaming9648
Жыл бұрын
It will definitely work on the Xbox. The difference with 120bfi is that the brightness is less (like 20% less). I'll make a video about it. Just increase the OLED Light for 120bfi to 50
@martinschnabel1961
11 ай бұрын
My C1 on my PC is set to 120hz in the screen settings. I locked my fps to 60 and i have no flickering at all with motion pro high. Can this be? I guess the screen is running at 120hz, eliminating the flicker. It only receives 60fps from the game but still had great motion clarity and no flicker
@plasmatvforgaming9648
11 ай бұрын
The problem with that is that you'd get double images, that doesn't happen with sample and hold. So for strobing you need fps=Hz
@martinschnabel1961
11 ай бұрын
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 great, Thank you for the responses. I saw some ghosting behind the car in cyberpunk, thats probably the reason. Might still be a trade worth considering (depending on the game): No flicker with some ghosting. Do you set your Hz in Windows to 60 when playing 60fps with bfi?
@mexdrago3009
Жыл бұрын
I just did the dejudder on modded wii with bfi. I can actually see smaller objects when playing games like the house of the dead. Aiming is easier now. Input lag for some reason is gone now. Maybe my brain got used to it. lol
@plasmatvforgaming9648
Жыл бұрын
Awesome!
@erkimann
Жыл бұрын
The brightness doesn’t increase on my c1. I did as you said in the video but it didn’t work.
@plasmatvforgaming9648
Жыл бұрын
Do you mean the 22-point calibration brightness? Make sure you are on SDR
@erkimann
Жыл бұрын
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 yes. I was on sdr, but didn’t notice any difference in brightness. I must have done something wrong.
@plasmatvforgaming9648
Жыл бұрын
Do this, change from the calibrated Game Optimizer to filmaker mode with the same settings and BFI but without the 22 point calibration and you'll see the difference
@lewis6720
Жыл бұрын
How do you enable oled motion pro on the C1? It is always grayed out. I have never used it.
@plasmatvforgaming9648
Жыл бұрын
Turn off ALLM Auto low latency mode, Boost Mode, and VRR
@lewis6720
Жыл бұрын
Got it thanks
@NeonPizza80s
Жыл бұрын
What about for Streaming movies&TV using motionPro High? Is there a way to mitigate flicker without having to lower both contrast and OLED pixel brightness?
@plasmatvforgaming9648
Жыл бұрын
No, for 24 and 30 fps content OLED Motion Pro high doesn't work, Only De-Judder 10 Motion Pro Medium (or Auto, Low) work. And the reason is you need 240Hz PWM when you have 120fps and OLED Motion Pro high is doing 120Hz PWM because the TV is at 60Hz
@NeonPizza80s
Жыл бұрын
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 So why exactly does MotionPro High not work properly for low frame rate content such as Movies & TV shows? I always assumed it was removing at least half the motion blur and doubling motion clarity. From 16ms to 8ms, and 300p to 600p, even for 24-40fps content. I also tried De-judder 10 + MotionPro medium, but i can't stand any unatural SOE in my movies. So it's a no go.
@plasmatvforgaming9648
Жыл бұрын
Without Motion Interpolation OLED Motion Pro won't improve motion clarity for low FPS content at all. You would just lose brightness. The reason is you need single strobing for each frame. OLED motion pro Medium, Low and Auto work for 100 and 120fps and you need De-Judder 10 for 24fps and 30fps content to then apply OLED Motion Pro.
@plasmatvforgaming9648
Жыл бұрын
If tge TV does single strobing at 30 fps by doing 60pwn or 30bfi the flickering would be unbearable. Only Plasma TVs can do low persistence 24Hz. But 24 and 30fps stutters and looks horrendous bad anyway, even on a Plasma. That's what these producers need to understand, there's nothing cinematic about a low FPS, it just look bad, if the actors look fake at HFR they just need to improve or lower the fps of the actors facial expressions on post. We need as many FPS as possible
@NeonPizza80s
Жыл бұрын
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 Again, thanks for taking the time and replying to my comments. Much Appreciated! Great info as always. ;) Looks like MotionPro HIGH is officially out for Streaming & my 4K Blu-ray Player then. hilarious, now I'm back to that pathetic 300p Mclarity & 16ms Mpersistence, which obviously does not cut the mustard, at all. I also find that my S60 plasma has less film judder than my C1 OLED as well. For the latter, it appears like it's magnified 2-3x. I'm just going to find a 65" Panasonic 'ST'60 plasma, which go for peanuts, whenever one pops up on market place and use that for streaming, Blu-rays & DVD's and get a future 65" S95C QD-OLED for gaming with Switch & PC(whenever I get one) and take advantage of 120fps as much as i can, or settle for it's game mode's BFI & motion interpolation settings. As for the ST60, It's just a matter of finding one, that's also in proper working condition. Question is, when will these TV manufactures come out with a motion setting that's specifically designed to improve 24-30fps content, without forcing SOE like the De-Judder tool? I'm not a big fan of watching most movies at higher frame rates, regardless if 60fps completely removes judder. It just makes it feel like you're looking through a window and watching people on a movie set. :P It usually destroys that cinematic surrealistic look, cheapens and nearly makes everything look silly, just as it does being on a movie set and watching actors do their thing, in most cases. Although, i love watching CGI based films with higher frame rates. I'm all for that. But like you said, if they can somehow reduce the FPS of actors facial expressions and the like, it may create a lower frame rate/high frame right hybrid of sorts, and may actually work. I mean, I dont want to remain stagnant watching movies on a plasma at 24fps with obvious judder, and I wish they'd bring back 3D or implement VR somehow into film so that it will actually make movies feel fresh and exciting again. This is why i'm so excited to watch Avatar 2 on Apple's Reality Pro's VR headset in 3D at 48fps, with a big AR micro OLED screen. Certain action sequences transition over to 48fps, like with the underwater sequences and the like. That thing is going to cost a whopping $5300 CAD after taxes. Man, Apple needs to set up a rental service stat! :P
@DavidR-m1f
Жыл бұрын
This might get your couriosity. Are you aware how quest 2 / valve index / mera quest pro or other vr headsets work as low persistence? I found a reddit post where a guy ask to remove BFI on quest pro. So guessing is there by default. I found an explanation on another reddit threat. Copy paste: “I'm not sure what this means on a technical level, does black frame insertion mean eg 120hz with 60 color frames and 60 black frames? VR does not do that. VR has what is called low persistence, and that's the displays natively showing frames for some ms and then going dark until the next frame. All headsets do this, most will light up a frame for up to 3ms, the fastest is the Valve Index which lights up as short as 0.3ms” I cant really understand it. I did not see dimm screen light on quest 2. I did not notice a smooth experience like 352 fps when playing at 120. 72hz did not look as 200fps for sure, I could get dizzy easily. Any idea what are they doing? Cant understand why not to use a good BFI. Reaching 72fps +bfi would be enough to have an ultra smooth experience. Because 72fps is easy to reach for quest 2, we could get much better graphics on games on standalone devices. (Actually I think the same for devices as rog ally)
@plasmatvforgaming9648
Жыл бұрын
Check this out, I talked about motion clarity in depth here kzitem.infoE9hL-qtuAN4?feature=share
@vitiok78
Жыл бұрын
I see flickering at 60 and it does not bother me. But... It hurts my eyes a lot. 2 hours and my eyes are red and extremely tired. That's why I don't use BFI much.
@plasmatvforgaming9648
Жыл бұрын
Since I have born my eyes, get red when I use them too much for anything. So it happens to me regardless of BFI or HDR
@Karl_Levine
Жыл бұрын
I don't get it - Oled motion pro Medium does not work at all for 30 FPS?
@plasmatvforgaming9648
Жыл бұрын
For 30fps De-Judder 10 will give you 120fps then OLED Motion Pro Medium works
@plasmatvforgaming9648
Жыл бұрын
Otherwise OLED Motion Pro Medium works for 100 and 120fps/Hz
@Karl_Levine
Жыл бұрын
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 thank you, so making sure I understand what you say : Oled motion pro does NOT work at 30 FPS - until you set DeJudder at 10 - ( that will introduce motion interpolation) FIRST - and only then it works? setting to HIGH at 30 FPS works regardless of DeJudder?
@plasmatvforgaming9648
Жыл бұрын
No, High doesn't work either. It only works without Interpolation at 50, 60 100 and 120fps/Hz. Low, Medium, and Auto work with Interpolation at 24 and 30fps with De-Judder and at 50 and 60fps with De-Blur.
@Karl_Levine
Жыл бұрын
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 thanks, that partly explains why if I set oled motion pro high, in many occasions all I get is the flicker with no motion improvement, on top of that from what I can tell - if I use 60hz/FPS and set Oled motion pro to HIGH - motion interpolation is DISABLED regardless of deblur settings... it's not mentioned anywhere, is it so on your set as well?
@cruise0074
Жыл бұрын
So what setting controls the black level on your plasma tv. On all the plasma TVs Panasonic that I have the brightness is the black level and the contrast is the luminous level
@plasmatvforgaming9648
Жыл бұрын
The only black level control I have on the regular menu is Dark or Light (limited and full). The service menu has black level control
@rahatakonjee2993
Жыл бұрын
Is it normal for lg c1 TV to have image retention?
@plasmatvforgaming9648
Жыл бұрын
If you display a 10% window at max brightness and then switch to a gray slide, you should see the 8mage retention, but it should clear after a brief moment
@tuchenciotuch3976
Жыл бұрын
Is there a way to unlock 120 bfi in lg c2?
@plasmatvforgaming9648
Жыл бұрын
No, it's a hardware limitation, otherwise there's a way to install the C1 software on the C2 by completely hacking the TV.
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