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@Kailhun
3 жыл бұрын
Dutch kids aren't spoiled. This should be the way it is for all children. Non-Dutch children are under-privileged.
@mariadebake5483
3 жыл бұрын
Yes I agree
@5Fem5Fem
3 жыл бұрын
Totally agree!!
@JoviesHome
3 жыл бұрын
I absolutely agree that these opportunities should be available for all children!
@benthansen3415
2 жыл бұрын
It's the same in Scandinavia. In Denmark at least
@davidc.w.2908
2 жыл бұрын
I do agree that Dutch kids are spoiled but not for all the arguments in this video. Many Dutch kids are so used that they get so many things and have money to spend from an early age, they get frustrated and angry easily when something is not entirely going their way. They often show little respect for their parents, teachers at school, trainers / coaches / referees at sports and their superiors at the work place some of them have from age 15 and up. There’s a big difference between the expectancy of kids in the USA and those of the Netherlands. Both have their pros and cons, but I do think the Dutch kids take everything for granted, which is another word for just being spoiled.
@ottot3221
3 жыл бұрын
I think having parents who have time for their kids and not work an obscene amount of hours each day is the best thing in the world.
@JohnBlutarski
3 жыл бұрын
Als die extra tijd nu eens zou worden gebruikt om hun kinderen op te voeden zou mooi zijn!
@JoviesHome
3 жыл бұрын
I agree. So many parent don't get enough time and that is very sad.
@esh5524
2 жыл бұрын
That is the cost of an expensive and materialistic society.
@smijas
3 жыл бұрын
Some of the things you call spoiled I would call basic needs for kids to grow up into balanced, clear headed, wise adults with a supportive social network, respect for all others in your community and the opportunity to discover your talents , drive and life-goals.
@kathytoy5055
3 жыл бұрын
I believe you are correct, Herr Smit. We can see the results of not having these things in other parts of the world.
@5Fem5Fem
3 жыл бұрын
I totally agree!!
@greetjeb7030
3 жыл бұрын
That's what i wanted to say too! Should be normal everywhere.
@tamarasussexsquadbertolini8421
3 жыл бұрын
I’m offended I really am ! You can not call our kids spoiled because we pay high taxes for good social security’
@milanopiano
3 жыл бұрын
Judging the video and how highly and positively she talks about all the subjects, I think she is not being serious about it. It's more of a joke.
@arthurhagen3826
3 жыл бұрын
Great video! But somehow I think the word should be 'privileged', not spoiled :) I think you're just spoiled when you're not thankfull for your privilege, taking it for granted.
@sueb3747
3 жыл бұрын
True although the word privilege is political nowadays :(
@TestTest-eb8jr
3 жыл бұрын
@Arthur Hagen; you beat me to it and found the word I was looking for while I was typing my response; "privileged" exactly 🖒🖒🖒
@arthurhagen3826
3 жыл бұрын
@@sueb3747 I know. Too bad, the word is much older then the people who redefined and politiced it to further their own agenda. Everybody is privileged to some extend on some aspect of life or being.
@markthirkell7056
3 жыл бұрын
Many of your points are valid for all european countries... it seems that the children of the USA might be 'under-valued' by comparison?
@essie23la
3 жыл бұрын
yeah I feel like spoiled refers more to kids who always get what they ask (or rather, whine or nag) for and therefore never learned how to handle the word "no"
@Dutchbelg3
3 жыл бұрын
Nice clickbait Jovie: All Dutch parents will react now: No We did not spoil my child/children! It is just the way it should be! You know Dutch people are proud and LOVE to express their opinion!
@JoviesHome
3 жыл бұрын
Yes- I've learned a thing or two about what will get attention! 😎
@colettepot7350
3 жыл бұрын
“Self help” medicines are not covered by insurance: basically everything you can obtain without prescription at the drogist or even supermarket. But they’re usually quite affordable.
@margotpino8730
3 жыл бұрын
We are lucky 🍀 to live in this beautiful country 🍀🇱🇺
@jenny11098
3 жыл бұрын
Ja maar maakt dat onze kinderen meteen verwend? Verwend omdat ze met de fiets naar school kunnen ipv met de auto? Haar video slaat kant nog wal vind ik voor deze keer...
@Wuppie62
2 жыл бұрын
@@jenny11098 Je hebt haar en de inhoud van de video duidelijk niet begrepen: ze bedoelt het niet negatief maar juist positief, met een knipoog. Ze noemt allerlei zaken op die ze enorm waardeert en waarom (veel) kinderen a.h.w. geluksvogels zijn vergeleken met kinderen in andere landen, waar dit allemaal niet vanzelfsprekend is.
@jenny11098
2 жыл бұрын
@@Wuppie62 pardon...google maar eens wat spoiled betekend BEVUILD. Dat klinkt niet echt positief hoor....omg hoe praat je iets recht wat krom is. Ze heeft met haar conclusies niet verder gekeken als haar eigen straatje en heeft er duidelijk geen besef van wat er allemaal speelt door HEEL Nederland
@Wuppie62
2 жыл бұрын
@@jenny11098 Hou toch op Jemma, kom van dat dak af. Je snapt het nog steeds niet en neemt het veel te letterlijk en te serieus. Wel eens van begrippen als humor, knipoog, plaagstootje, satire, spot, sarcasme en zo gehoord? Mijn hemel.. En nu niet reageren met: " maar ik zit helemaal niet op een dak!"
@jenny11098
2 жыл бұрын
@@Wuppie62 houd zelf op...als jij het opvat als humor jouw goed recht. Iedereen heeft nu eenmaal andere humor. Ik zeg alleen wat ik hoor in de video niks meer en niks minder. En je moet het niet zo opvatten is zo makkelijk. Ik zeg toch ook niet: ik vind je een grote trut, ja is grapje hoor moet je niet zo letterlijk nemen. Ik zeg het toch, het staat er toch dan
@expatfamilylive9041
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video, Jovie! It's really nice to get your opinion as a mom because raising our 2 daughters here in the Netherlands was 1 of the top priorities for us to move here. Love from Almere!
@JoviesHome
3 жыл бұрын
I'm so glad you enjoyed it, thank you for the support!
@tims.701
2 жыл бұрын
As an 18 years old from Switzerland, living in a above average neighborhood, even in country with crazy good life quality, it comes down to realisation and graditude. You should be thankful every minute of your life, that u can have a good familiy, supporting friends, safety and all the other good things u have in your life. As stupid as it sounds, living in a safe envirement, we tend to forget about other people and other countries, with more problems than us, because it is just normal for us to live our life full of „quality“. I always try to remember how privileged I am, when im worried about some small problems, because most of the times we are quite pessimistic. I think this mindset would make a big change in the general happiness of the society. I was triggered a bit, by the word „spoiled“, even tho I know, that you didnt mean it in this way. I really like your Videos, I think it is crazy interesting, to compare the mindest of different cultures ( for ex us vs eu). Like this we can learn a lot from each other.
@henryhuijbers3158
2 жыл бұрын
And, when your child is happy, you are happy. Nothing better than see your child have a wonderful time.
@gert-janvanderlee5307
3 жыл бұрын
I would like to point out that there is a difference between a bungalow park and a camping, as those are not the same. On a camping you stay in a tent or a caravan. Either mobile caravans you tow behind your car, or the stationary ones that usually are a bit bigger. While a bungalowpark is usually more luxurious and has houses.
@petervan1353
3 жыл бұрын
I visit a Friend of mine in London on an almost yearly basis (Covid messed up) Coming from Amsterdam I'm always surprised at how dirty London is, how many beggars/homeless peoples there are. Take a train from what ever airport and travel into London centre.. Some places look like a shanty town in South Africa and no this was also before Brexit! I hardly see any junkies anymore in Amsterdam or homeless people.
@JoviesHome
3 жыл бұрын
Oh no. That is so sad.
@dinas2369
2 жыл бұрын
London, beside a few things designed for tourists and the areas for filthy rich, is not a very pretty place. Sadly. I believe the major attractions are for young people, because of the sheer size, there are so many things to do and there are always loads of jobs around. If it wasn't for those things, I doubt anyone would be staying here. Also really shitty place to bring the kids up, in my opinion.
@lordsleepyhead
2 жыл бұрын
You know these family oriented holiday parks have this philosophy like, "it's the parents holiday too..." meaning they design things specifically so the kids will be kept busy and kept safe and the parents don't have to worry about anything for a week or two. If the kids are a little older, like 8-12, in theory you could just kick them out of the bungalow in the morning with some pocket money and they'll just go out and play all day and you won't see them again until dinner time. Imagine all the books you could read in that time!
@Centurion101B3C
3 жыл бұрын
Right from the get-go and even b4 I have viewed this particular episode, but WITH having the benefit of raising children both in the US as well as here in NL, I feel the need to point out a linguistic oddity between (US) English and Dutch that pertains this issue. The English notion of being 'spoilt' essentially translates as 'rotten, fermented or corrupted' and with that in most cases beyond redemption and with the onus on the subject (child) for having become such. This is of course lunacy, since it is not the responsibility of the child to condition itself into social compliance or prevent it from being afflicted by stimatizing behavioral oddities and social deviations. The Dutch word 'verwend' stems from the verb 'wennen' and basically translates into 'Ill conditioned or Ill adjusted', which puts the onus on the conditioner (parent/caregiver) to correct this undesired condition and rightfully so, I might add. Main takeaway here, is the fact that correction is feasible and likely beneficial, both to the child as well as to the social framework that it operates in, but management of such is unequivocally the responsibility of the parent/caregiver. Just my 2ct on the matter.
@arnoldwardenaar127
3 жыл бұрын
Wow, I never thought of it that way, but man, that's insightful
@markthirkell7056
3 жыл бұрын
I don't entirely agree that the english attitude is that a spoilt child is at fault or beyond redemption - it is always the poor parenting that causes the problem. I would add that the US perception seems to be that spoiling a child , in the sense of overprovision of material things, is a good thing. Which it isn't!
@JoviesHome
3 жыл бұрын
That's a very interesting point, thanks for sharing. When we decided what to put on the thumbnail, we decided to choose a word that would get attention!
@Centurion101B3C
3 жыл бұрын
@@JoviesHome Well, it certainly did and of course my comment did not cover your current episode, since, as stated, I submitted it prior to reading it. I have read it now and have agree with you and go with the old Dutch dictum: "Better 'spoilt' than neglected.", or "Beter verwend dan verwaarloosd." My experience in the US was that most measures to improve children's lives where I lived, were basically in the fields of safety and security or at the very least geared towards keeping them in a safe and secure (read: controllable) environment. Playing out in the park without watchful (and prying) eyes of a parent was totally out of the question and could potentially result in the parents suffering consequences with the authorities. To sum it up, with 'Fear is the Key' in mind. Having myself grown up here in NL in the 1950s and 1960s, I had always been free to roam around far and wide to do what little boys did to entertain themselves, which would raise the hackles of any current day American parents and quite admittedly of some Dutch parents too. I was kind of a wild-child then, but it worked out fine for me (eventually...) So, that idea was totally alien to me when coming to the States. Freedom appeared to be not so free for US kids and parents alike, since it got them into Catch-22 situation between freedom and fear. Both my kids are now fine young adults which are confident and happy world-travellers, so something must have gone right there too.
@gretta74
3 жыл бұрын
Appreciating my own country through your videos.
@JoviesHome
3 жыл бұрын
That's great to hear, thank you!
@TheFranzzzNL
3 жыл бұрын
In the Netherlands having affordable health care is seen as a basic accuired right for Dutch citizens the fact that kids get it for free is a bonus.. But in the same time its not to be taken for granted but to be thankfull for
@5Fem5Fem
3 жыл бұрын
🙌🏻
@JoviesHome
3 жыл бұрын
I hope my videos can help people to be thankful for what they have!
@5Fem5Fem
3 жыл бұрын
@@JoviesHome totally!!!
@kbvvl3186
2 жыл бұрын
Worse health care in the world
@alcidesforever
3 жыл бұрын
To all the people discussing the word 'spoiled' vs the word 'privileged' in the title... Could it be that Jovy is just a smart cookie and made some sort of clickbait title??? Nothing wrong with that, money (views) makes the world go round.
@5Fem5Fem
3 жыл бұрын
I thought the same
@5Fem5Fem
3 жыл бұрын
And I think it’s sad
@JoviesHome
3 жыл бұрын
Oh no, you're on to us!
@5Fem5Fem
3 жыл бұрын
@@JoviesHome 😂💪🏻😂
@trovey02
2 жыл бұрын
And still there are people who are complaining all the time how bad everything in the Netherlands is.😁
@bertkassing8541
3 жыл бұрын
I will show this video to my daughters of 21 and 23 and remind them of their happy youth :-) Although, I'm afraid they'll ask me what I did with "their" kinderbijslag hahahaha.
@mademoisellekaya1438
3 жыл бұрын
By afraid says to me for some odd feeling that it did NOT went to anything to do with the child it is meant for? Or what do you (and looking at the likes you received) or other people do/did with that money? I'm confused? 😕 I hope anybody could explain it to me, sorry in advance for the question but I truly do not understand it 😶😊
@bertkassing8541
3 жыл бұрын
@@mademoisellekaya1438 I was joking. Ofcourse we used it for our daughters. Mostly for buying new clothes. Little children grow fast :-)
@JoviesHome
3 жыл бұрын
I hope they will like it! Thanks for the support!
@dutchTea
Жыл бұрын
Want to cry when I hear you explain this. My daughter loves where she is, because everything is familiar to her. But... you know
@marjastam3856
2 жыл бұрын
Hi Jovie, I'm very pleased you experience the way of life in the Netherlands as positief, especially for young children. I've worked for 25 years as a teacher en was part of the management group in different schools for 20 years. What I have seen is that the children here can make their own choices en are can grow up as a fully, responsible citizen of the world. Of course there are always things we must do to make it even better. Your video is a great compliment for all the hardworking teachers, thank you for that!
@gert-janvanderlee5307
3 жыл бұрын
If you call this spoiled I wonder what you would call the kids that grew up here in the 70's and 80's, as I consider those decades even better to grow up in. The country was even safer back then, especially for kids. That resulted in even more independence. I remember playing outside and it was up to us if we stayed around the house or went to the playground or the woods. Nobody knowing where we were exactly. Which didn't matter as everything was safe. As long as we made sure we were home before dark nobody bothered us. If someone asked we just said we were playing outside. The rules were mostly limited to "be home before dark" or "come home when the streetlights come on". And if we came home our mothers were there with lemonade and snacks or cookies. As there was no need for both parents to work as you could get by with a single salary. Even if that was a low income job in a factory.
@JoviesHome
3 жыл бұрын
I'm comparing The Netherlands to my experience in the USA most of the time, and I do feel like we are "spoiled" in a good way with all of the things we have here. And I like to shine a light on them because it makes me even more grateful to live here.
@albertfransz
2 жыл бұрын
The facilities like playgrounds at restaurants also make a lot of sense commercially. It makes for happy customers and happy customers spend more, tell their friends and will come back.
@retrosimon9843
2 жыл бұрын
Not spoiled. Blessed.
@harenterberge2632
2 жыл бұрын
What is the opposite of a backhanded compliment? A forehanded putdown? Anyway, for the ones who missed it: she is giving a big compliment to the Netherlands, and the title is just slightly provocative clickbait.
@kailichttrager229
2 жыл бұрын
Ik kom uit Zwitserland, een schone in principe veilig. Word ik als een tiener beschouwd als een verwend nest. Ik sta echter niet op hetzelfde niveau als de Amerikaanse jeugd. Ik heb geen driftbuien, want ik beschouw mezelf als geluk te hebben gehad een tevreden leven te leiden en de dingen te hebben die ik nodig heb, vooral voor mijn opleiding. Ik heb het gevoel dat ik het geluk of het voorrecht heb een goed leven te hebben. Ik respecteer mijn ouders en hoewel we misschien wat meningsverschillen hebben, is het normaal dat we opgroeien. Ik ben tenslotte ook maar een mens, hoewel ik nog steeds 17 ben. IK VERHUIS NAAR NEDERLAND!!!!! (I AM MOVING TO THE NETHERLANDS!!!!!)
@mariadebake5483
3 жыл бұрын
For some reason or other, Dutch parents have always been indulgent with their children. It's something that Europeans, e.g. the English, have already commented on in their traveling journals during the sixteenth century! So it's kind of a national character trait. However it doesn't seem like it has really destroyed us as a nation! And yes our children are rather privileged, compared to other countries
@marjoryvanbakel6153
3 жыл бұрын
Privileged is a Nice word to give it indeed. I dont like the word spoiled, to me it gives a negative vibe… And yes the video is very positive so Thank you for showing the world how privileged our children are..
@JoviesHome
3 жыл бұрын
That's so interesting how far back that goes, thanks for sharing and watching our video!
@petrasandberg1328
2 жыл бұрын
Er zijn veel kinderen in Nederland die leven onder de armoede grens , die kunnen niet op vakantie in zo’n luxe bungalow park en die gaan nooit naar restaurants . En alleen de allerarmste kinderen mogen sporten op kosten van de staat , met het probleem dat ze niet de goede kleding kleding dragen of flink afdankertjes aan hebben van andere kinderen . Er is absoluut een klasse verschil . Niet alles is zo als het lijkt .
@dutchyjhome
2 жыл бұрын
We look at kids being "trainee grown ups". Our educational system and the way we raise them is to get them as soon a possible independent. Their independence is self-evident to them selves, to their parents and within society, in which independence is required. This goes for boys, but for girls as well and all others within the LHBTI community. The sooner kids are independent and so be able to make their own carefully considered decisions, the sooner they will grow up and so they'll be able to make decisions for themselves since they are used to do so from an early age on. This may have led to the fact that Dutch children are the happiest children of the entire world. Hey..., perfection is an illusion, but you can try, right? ;-) Please do not forget that the children of now are the grown ups of tomorrow who will decide for/ over you when you are old an in need of aid.
@harrybruijs2614
3 жыл бұрын
Op Nederlandse kinderen wordt wel degelijk gepast. Elke ouder kijkt geregeld even uit het raam hoe het gaat. Dit is alleen niet direct zichtbaar
@rhmdutchman1550
3 жыл бұрын
we gave the child benefit to our daughter as clothing allowance/pocket money. the first 2 years we monitor that and later on occasionally. This is how they learn to handle money.
@bararobberbaron859
2 жыл бұрын
Dutch kids are rated the happiest or in the top 3 of happiest kids in the world. So we may spoil them but the results are worth it!
@dennyvreds1346
2 жыл бұрын
ja ik ben opgegroeid in Nederland in de jaren 90 en ik heb een geweldige Jeugd gehad hoor, ik mag niet klagen. schoolreizen naar geweldige plaatsen werk week naar camping achtige plaatsen, echt heel goed
@milanopiano
3 жыл бұрын
I just know my mother wasn't the only who said this to me when I was young and I was acting like a brat about school and/or life in general: "Je weet niet hoe goed je het hier hebt." ("You don't know how good you have it here.") Even though there are always children who start with nothing and have terrible chances in the Netherlands, I'm really glad I live in a country where children are generally safe and have the opportunity to grow into sensible, empathetic adults. edit: Great video btw Jovie! I love how positive you are about the Netherlands. Puts a lot of things in perspective.
@JoviesHome
3 жыл бұрын
I'm so glad you understood the spirit of the video, thank you for sharing that expression.
@janwillem2656
3 жыл бұрын
Also to be able to go to school by bike we have "klaar-overs" on busy main roads. At least in the east where I live. A "klaar-over" (translated in this case as: ready, cross) is usually a parent or a volunteer, who receives a one day training from a police officer. They are positioned on key junctions or entry roads to school. They help guide traffic and get the children across safely on these busy roads or junctions.
@simosom1
3 жыл бұрын
I do like the use of the word spoilt when you talk about basic things like clean environment
@simosom1
3 жыл бұрын
Sorry I meant do not like
@JoviesHome
3 жыл бұрын
We used the word spoiled because we knew it would get more attention than words like lucky or privileged. It worked!
@simosom1
3 жыл бұрын
@@JoviesHome It gives out the wrong message sorry Jovie not correct
@lbergen001
3 жыл бұрын
Your outtro gave away your true intention of this video. Great! Hope that other countries will pickup your message. And indeed, if Dutch children/parents still complain for no reason, it makes me mad.
@JoviesHome
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sticking around to the end!
@jmitterii2
Жыл бұрын
Spoiled means treated in a way that will bring ruin to them in the future. (Giving the child lots of sugary foods, they become diabetic into the future. Letting them hog out and no exercise, they will become obese, potentially diabetic, and a host of other health problems in the future. Praising the child and bribing coaches or competitive judges to let your incompetent child play or win awards which leads to a ego tripping and false sense of ability for the kid). So all your points: 1) Clean free of pollutants won't bring ruin to them in the future. 2) Affordable higher and vocational education geared to becoming a productive worker/laborer or whatever profession will not bring ruin to them in in the future. 3) Independence of children (safety regarding security) so they may learn independently how to cooperate with other children and surrounding other adults and all does not being ruin to them into the future. 4) Supporting low income families to ensure children of lower class income levels can participate and gain the same/similar advantage of wealthier children won't bring ruin to them in the future. 5) A child payment is essentially a tax credit (USA does similar just that normally you must way to file your taxes to get the return); this will not bring ruin to the children into the future. 6) Free healthcare for children won't bring ruin to them in the future. 7) Infrastructure with kids care in mind will not bring them ruin into the future. 8) Holidays camping or touring other places and towns and cultures and theme parks or other such things will not bring ruin to the child into the future. Think your video should be 8 Advantages Dutch Kids Have to have a Wonderful Life. Sad that we as Americans would call this type of care, as spoiling the child.
@coralarson8192
2 жыл бұрын
Yes I remember when I, as a Dutch, was with my in laws in USA and having dinner I totally could not understand why our 3 childten had to sit together at a small table with each other in the kitchen. Just the 3 of them. Here in Holland we include them, we sit all together at one table!!
@Every68
Жыл бұрын
In america kids are wellll yeh generaly not as well mannerd at the table! (ofc this is not for everyone)
@janalberts7073
2 жыл бұрын
Children can bike safe here because the biking lanes are great but most important: Every cardriver is a biker as well.
@sarapayne6522
2 жыл бұрын
There is always a lot of emphasis on the Dutch child allowance. In my (non-expert) research, it appears to be quite a bit less than the US child tax credit available through income tax filings. I am not arguing that an income tax credit is preferable to a child allowance. The US child income tax credit is something that even those who do not owe income taxes can receive, so essentially it has similar availability. My understanding is that Dutch income taxes are significantly simpler than US income taxes and do not offer such expense credits as the child credit. Many other countries have similar child tax credits rather than upfront child allowances. I agree that NL is a great place to raise kids and to live. I just don't think the Dutch child allowance is really that unique. It's just administered differently to similar programs in other countries and so it looks like something not available elsewhere.
@peterblockx518
3 жыл бұрын
Sorry Jovie;: the word "spoiled" has a negative connotation in Europe. It is just our way of living. I'm from Belgium and many +18 years (from the Netherlands) come to Belgium for the Universities. Just becaus most of Belgian Universities are better and cheaper then in the Netherlands. The things you say do NOT fall under the flag of "Spoiled"! But under a Human Way of Living between different Countries. It's the European way of living! I'm an Architect and I had the opporutnity to go to the University for Architects in Florence, practically for free for a complete year (Erasmus Project). So, PLEASE, do NOT connotate the word "spoiled" so frequently, because for Europeans the word spoiled means something completely else, mostly in a negative way. When I visit a Superstore in the High streets of London and hear a Russian kid ask for a cellphone with diamonds: He probably get is from it's parents: that means spoiled for Europeans. All the rest is just our way of Living. You're completely wrong in this video. I've seen most of them: but this is over the edge. Sorry. I'm teaching Syrian and Iraqi fugitives in the same classes as Belgian or Stundents from the Netherlands, everyone is treated in the same way! I'm sorry to say, but this is your first video that makes me Mad and Sad (the sad thing is for you Americans who could not work the system we use). You Americans should take a more closer look to Europe instead of comparing different Continents. Kind Regards, Peter.
@jenny11098
3 жыл бұрын
Goed gezegd...voor het eerst vind ik een video van haar👎ze is niet goed haha
@dinas2369
2 жыл бұрын
She knows what the word spoilt means, and has explained multiple times under the comments that they used it purposely to get the people to watch the video. I think it is also obvious from the way Jovie says the word spoilt with a smile when talking about how things are great for kids in NL.
@McCorduRoy1972
2 жыл бұрын
Good education is a necessity over here and no spoilment. Taking for granted that some stuff is taking care very well is another thing.
@rucky_665
2 жыл бұрын
When I moved from Switzerland to the Netherlands I found Netherlands to be very dirty relative to Switzerland. Its also safer there. It’s all relative.
@hansderoo1
3 жыл бұрын
Oooh You almost got me with the video title! I don't know if "spoiled" is the right word, but ok, we do want the best for our kids. On the other hand we also want our kids to grow into responsible adults, so from a young age kids are given responsibilities to learn to deal with, and prepare for adult life.
@williamgeardener2509
2 жыл бұрын
Children who have freedom, safety and self confidence aren't spoiled, they have what every child deserves, Countries which can't provide their children with the same rights are 3th world countries. Don't even try to change my mind.
@coosterlee756
2 жыл бұрын
Hi Jovie, thank you for posting your video. You choose the wrong word for being spoiled. This video is more about how blessed they are. Being spoiled is really some different.
@jannetteberends8730
2 жыл бұрын
You can say we cherish our kids. Notice my use of ‘we’ and ‘our’? I don’t have kids, but for me kids are the responsibility of all adults, and not only the parents. That is also the idea behind the tax refund for children. The country invests in the future of our children. So the focus is not so much on the family, but more on the children. Some other spoilers I can think of: Dutch children have a lot of quality time with their parents. Breakfast and diner spent together as family. Parents of Dutch children often choose to work parttime, to spent more time with their children. at school are the children taken serious, are allowed to express themself and something else I forgot Children don’t have homework on the basis school. Dutch children are allowed to participate in the choices the family makes, about a new car, where to spent the holiday. .Most Dutch kids are the ones who choose the high school they want to go to. At a certain age most Dutch kids get a kind of cultural passport for all kind cultural events, movies, festivals and musea.
@louwnajoubert4352
Жыл бұрын
Is the child support also available for exbats?
@TestTest-eb8jr
3 жыл бұрын
OK, first of, it's good to see you again... (where y'a been🤔?) Second, and this could be put under the heading "semantics", but I think that "spoiled" doesn't really fit the bill here. Spoiled, to me, has a negative connotation, e.g. a child that wants something and doesn't get it and then throws a hissy fit/temper tantrum is a "spoiled" child. Like I said, semantics, but I'd say "lucky" is better fitting as it also encompasses a "random" element. "They" could be considered "lucky" to be born in and/or living in The Netherlands. OK, enough rambling/hair splitting, good to see you back!!!
@JoviesHome
3 жыл бұрын
I'm going to be uploading more often, thanks for missing me! And lucky is a better word. But I don't think as many people would have clicked on that thumbnail!
@dutchuncle3310
2 жыл бұрын
I think you have the wrong impression, very young children ( ages 5 and 3 ) are definitely supervised, you may nor see their parents but they are very nearby, like you said you can see the playground I’m certain they can see their children if not another adult in neighbourhood will watch them.
@norseman4763
Жыл бұрын
Jovie, or anyone in NL, do Dutch children have to fundraiser for their activities like swim club, scouts, band, sports, etc.? Wondering if that’s a US only thing or not.
@NSE_ambulant
3 жыл бұрын
As was proven the last 1,5 years, we as a country are so insanely rich, people who want to lent money to our government, pay negative interest. Families are the cornerstones of the society. And everything is based on that. You can get funds for just about anything if there is a need. One thing you should keep in mind: If you got 35.000 EUR to pay for childcare or after school care, and your forget to pay a small amount of 80 EUR, you're f*cked. But otherwise, the best country in the world. And to quote former president Trump: "Really, it's ridiculous. Other countries ain't even real countries. They are fake countries".
@ingridstom1056
2 жыл бұрын
Niet alleen mijn zoon en nu dan mijn kleindochter zijn welkom, mij hond gelukkig ook.
@MiraSmit
2 жыл бұрын
My mom let me go 'on my own' to my friend across town. Years later I learned she took a paralel route to make sure I got there safely around age 6. How does this have anything to do with a kid being spoiled and more about having a good system in place for kids on a government level.
@slouberiee
3 жыл бұрын
You know, even in "Eastern European" countries kids are independent and can play outside. There is no war or violence going on in this region. I'm from Czechia and kids starting from grade 2 usually go by themselves to school by public transport and play outside without parents... Several "Eastern European" countries have even lower crime rate than Netherlands (Czechia, Slovenia, Estonia, Croatia, Georgia)... Sometimes I feel like people from western countries picture the East of Europe as full of ghettos, slums or something...
@Dutchbelg3
3 жыл бұрын
Well... I can not say you are wrong.. There are many countries (south-)east of The netherlands that provide actually a good quality life to their children. I love most of the life in Poland, Hungary, Czechia, Slovenia, The Baltics etc. etc. Some countries have an important part of the population that is a bit homophobic and xenophobic and sometimes pretty conservative (but not every one!! ) ... But an important reason is that from some of these countries many people move to The Netherlands and that makes the Dutch think their home country must be horrible to live in... I have travelled them all intensively and have good friends in several of these "Eastern European countries" so I know there are good things to be enjoyed there :-)
@RH-ro3sg
3 жыл бұрын
I grew up during the cold war, and I think some of the imagery and propaganda from that era still lingers in my subconscious, even though I know rationally that it's nonsense. However, visiting several of these countries over the years since 1990 has changed my perception of them significantly.
@dinas2369
2 жыл бұрын
I don't quite understand why you are getting upset on the behalf of eastern Europe, when most of the countries you listed are not giving their children all of the benefits NL does. Yes, maybe crime rate is lower and they have free healthcare, but what kind of quality of healthcare and support for the low income parents do they get? Next to none.... Also, Jovie did not talk about other countries, only NL, so I don't understand the comment. Also I believe there is quite a bit of difference between different Eastern European countries, just like there is difference between, for example, France and Sweden.
@garryferrington811
2 жыл бұрын
Well, in the US, for kids to get together, the parents have to make "play-dates." Also, there really are a lot of dangers for kids in the US.
@wheelieblind
2 жыл бұрын
I think that independence and freedom as a child must of died off in the later half of the 20th century for America.
@M0T0.M.B.
2 жыл бұрын
As a dutch mother , i am wondering why all other countrys dont give there kids a change Of making it on there own. They can't help there parents mistakes and why should a child Carry that. Thats why we have help to give our kids a fighting change of there own and A change of a healty live with thing they need. Why do other countrys dont have a system like that i dont get at all. They are our futures not our past mistakes.thanks i really do like you and the way of sharing positive things about our country , habbits and rules and all. Great keep it up.
@amorroma1244
2 жыл бұрын
I think the word spoiled is not well chosen. I would rather say that our children are blessed to grow up in this beautiful country. Spoiled sounds so negative.
@VulcanOnWheels
2 жыл бұрын
2:06 What I've been accused of being. 13:33 I don't remember seeing that, and I was born here!
@gordonwallin2368
3 жыл бұрын
Canada, bigger and less populated than the US but are both SO big, these policies would be difficult to put in place. And my Provinces and the America states are so territorial with their jurisdictions. However, my country is already considered "commie", and alot of American wannabies slow down any more of the Dutch policies you listed. Canada has so many ties with the UK, Europe (and Asia) and the US that we feel like the opposite of "socialist hoards at the gate". The "Immoral Capitalists hoards at the gate." I grew up in a Dutch farming community, so I'm with you, Jovie. (Glad to see you're smiling again, I hope your daughter is fine.) Chers from the West Coast of Canada.
@JoviesHome
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and for your concern for my daughter!
@saevius1
2 жыл бұрын
just think about it: many many people have the idea that you can spoil children. If you go to a restaurant with your 80k euro mercedes, after having spent 400 euro on new clothes and have a 5 steps diner, are you spoilt. should you do less just like kids. no playground, no toys, no holidays,
@tarquinmidwinter2056
3 жыл бұрын
You didn't mention having chocolate sprinkles on bread for breakfast 😋
@JoviesHome
3 жыл бұрын
How could I forget that?
@maliyamaliya5643
Жыл бұрын
Nice explainetion,I like your vlog
@FrankHeuvelman
2 жыл бұрын
Children have the right to make their own mistakes and learn from them. That's fundamentally different than just define rules and demand them to follow them without explaining why. You can not demand from a young child to envision the reasons for these rules without letting them safely experience what can happen if they don't comply.
@Maihquel
3 жыл бұрын
Hi Jovie, you should replace 'spoiled' with 'privileged'. Since "spoiled' (verwend) has a very negative tenure. And you are, coming from your vdeo, very pleased with the condition of dutch kids.
@tonys1636
3 жыл бұрын
Just a very caring society in general, more prevalent in North-western European countries than others. During the school holidays from about seven, I was out all day until very hungry or too wet and cold, it was England! It gave Mum a chance to get used to having us children about again. Although my sister and I often couldn't wait for the holidays to end and get back to school, I without older sister around and she was probably glad to lose her annoying little s**t of a brother, boredom used to set in after about a week. If really lucky Dad might be home on leave. I think a lot of modern parents worry too much about the safety of their children, they are very resourceful and aware of the dangers that life can hold, mine were and had a similar freedom.
@JoviesHome
3 жыл бұрын
It sounds like you had a great childhood. Thanks for sharing your memories!
@Deadpreson
3 жыл бұрын
I think it’s great that they are spoiled/privileged in those ways.
@JoviesHome
3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely!
@pppetra
3 жыл бұрын
Many children in the Netherlands actually never go to a dutch vacation. Those parcs are ment for families. They expect people to come with kids. So they have playgrounds, babystuff, pool. Children in the Netherlands are pretty lucky. But there is so much room for improvement.. (I am not sure about the spoiled. I think every child should have a house, food,love, care and school. There are many spoiled kids. To many toys,to much unhealthy food, going to school by car, Not Being actually raised)
@JoviesHome
3 жыл бұрын
That is such a sad thought, kids not actually being raised. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
@moonw5814
2 жыл бұрын
Hi Jovie I never cared much for the word 'doei' but I love the way you say it!
@jessefurner9076
2 жыл бұрын
YOU have the best opening to your videos! EVER 😋🥳🤩
@antjuh25
3 жыл бұрын
Loved the video. And hope you have a great rest of you day.
@JoviesHome
3 жыл бұрын
That's great, thank you! I hope you will enjoy yours too!
@jeroenschoondergang5923
Жыл бұрын
I think that the term 'spoiled' isn't quite right here. I think that privileged fits the bill better. Spoiled has a negative connotation to it. When I think of a spoiled kid, I think about a brat throwing a hissy fit because it doesn't get the exact toy he wants. But reading the comments, I see that I am not the only who thinks that way.
@andywilliams7323
2 жыл бұрын
Yep, these 8 things are not unique to The Netherlands. They're common across all of Europe. But the one thing here that really blew my mind. Is finding out that Restaurants in America don't have play areas for kids. That in particular on top of everything else mentioned really made me feel sorry for American kids. Their life just looks so controlled, miserable, disadvantaged and boring. When compared to the freedoms and benefits European kids enjoy as standard.
@yvescallaert7923
2 жыл бұрын
Something does sound very authentic and rings pretty true about the way you're expressing things here. And you might want to pay close attention to this in the long run. You mention being jealous of your kids because this country chose to actually centre families and kids and generate, develop and maintain structures that effectively are family and child friendly. And because of that choice and support, you can notice how this generates a ripple effect in the mindset of businesses, organisations and overall general attitudes. However, if I were you i'd try to reduce the 'jealousy' towards your children as well as framing this as them being spoiled. You really seriously need to work on that. But yes, i personally do commend you as a parent to have made such choices and mostly to have chosen this environment and attitude to let your children grow up in. And it's marvelous that you as a parent notice and appreciate these accommodations and attitudes so much. Still, despite that it might be regrettable that there aren't more countries (mostly outside of the EU) providing similar kinds of opportunities to their youth, you should remain aware that you do pay what you get for. The higher tax you pay becomes worth it when you see how it creates opportunities and privileges for your children and the children of others when these funds are allocated towards a family and child supporting and developing system. As a parent you made a great choice and its lovely to see you value the system. Still, your kid(s) might definitely benefit from this setting, but they won't really realize it because to them it will be like water to a fish. Only when they're older they might come to understand this once they experience different systems elsewhere or when you point out the massive drawbacks of those other systems. As an adult you can compare from personal experience and because you have seen or heard about other systems and you're aware of what's wrong with them, what the drawbacks are, or at least what the things are that makes this system or society type so great. Instead of being jealous of the kid(s) it's healthier to enjoy and appreciate this system together with your kids. Don't stay stuck too much in that resentment of not having had the opportunity to live the benefit and the privileges that are created here. Instead it would be far wiser, and maybe even to the point of making several actual notes, to educate your child(ren) on the differences you have experienced and make them aware of the merits of the system they are currently enjoying. Yes, educating them on why the surroundings and the system they grew up in is so wonderful compared to other situations elsewhere, will educate them on the privilege they and their friends were able to enjoy. And you can even bring them such an awareness with an instruction and a lesson to try and spread similar systems and ideas wherever they go and thus keep contributing to such positive environments and societal structures. That's a far more constructive and valuable gift to your children as well as to the environment and society they were then able to flourish in. And it also would truly would make them continu to use their privilege and keep spreading the same or similar privileges to others instead of turn their back on that and effectively render them unthankful and spoiled.
@louwnajoubert4352
Жыл бұрын
Perhaps wrong wording. Not spoiled but blessed? Or lucky? Fortunate? I agree with some of the comments, that this should be basic needs. Other countries lack these things.
@leonardoluc6362
2 жыл бұрын
I agree although spoiled? Strangely they are not corrected by the parents. French/Spanish/italian parents are close family and get corrected but not in The Netherlands. Go figure, partly its good but to a point parents should correct as well.
@muriellegerrits2109
2 жыл бұрын
I would say privileged, but indeed they are. Most things we take for granted, not knowing that ain't the case in every country. Thanks for pointing that out!
@ankra12
2 жыл бұрын
That is «normal» in Norway. Its something wrong with the society if they can have this. Spoiled is a wrong word to use here I think.
@spilln01
3 жыл бұрын
hi Jovi that simple when a kid can't handle the word NO ! then the kid is spoiled!
@darinakalinova2180
3 жыл бұрын
Heey Jovi, good morning to you. Interesting and the competition is exactly what I am missing. The kids here are absolutely not under any pressure and when they meet with the reality of business life, they are shocked that if they deliver just mediocre performance nobody is going to be amused. Playing outside without parental supervision is normal even in other countries in Europe, not only here. It's goes down to parents what they want. Yup, when I have moved here I have said that the Netherlands is more socialistic country then they think there are. But kids payment is or health care, again you have in the most European countries for free. That is Europe. Baby proof, here we will differ. Children have to learn and you learn from experience and that hurts. What you have mentioned is not what I personally perceive as spoiled but more fact of being born in rich country and not realising the consequences. What I am missing here is proper discipline of children and use of common sense. I am missing education of good manners. Here in general nobody knows who says hallo first. Who offers the hand firs for a handshake. Who enters the building first or who go upstairs first in sense of order. I miss overall responsibility...if I make a mess I have to clean up. Not really the case. They count on someone else to do it for them. So I think they are spoiled but in different way. Have a lovely day. It's great to are you smile.
@JoviesHome
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing your thoughts and for the support!
@janrobertbos
3 жыл бұрын
when researched , Dutch kids have proven to be the happiest in the world, for years on end................there`s got to be a reason for that.................
@JoviesHome
3 жыл бұрын
I wonder what it could be? 🤔
@janrobertbos
3 жыл бұрын
@@JoviesHome .......lol..you summed it up quite nicely.....................
@Eva_EvaEvaa
3 жыл бұрын
Im a dutch kid and im kinda hated. My mom shouts at me for failing class.
@yvescallaert7923
2 жыл бұрын
I think your reasoning about this is wrong. The children aren't 'spoiled', because so much of what you're describing is a result of a country and society that values different norms and values and also acts accordingly. Calling them privileged to live and benefit from these conditions i can agree on, but they only can be considered 'spoiled' when they're not grateful for the privilege they receive. What you describe is not 'spoiling' a kid but rather a society that generates, creates and maintains several privileges for its youth and by doing so also helps to provide the society to thrive in a more balanced way that is beneficial for the both the individual as well as for the common good of that society itself. A clean and safe environment for these children (and every adult) is begotten by... political choices and directing public funds to organizing and maintaining the cleanliness and the safety of the surroundings. This is a direct result of a system that organises sufficient public jobs to prioritize, organize and maintain this type of surrounding. However, i also have to admit that some things also are an almost logical choice to make because of the density of living. Some of the problems do stem from living so densely together, but some of the basic solutions to these problems also come from wanting to actually address the basic needs and find appropriate solutions for the community at large (instead of prioritizing money and big profits). Once the first steps of applying that logic are taken, it becomes a ton easier to keep going in that direction. In the continuation of the same logic it's only normal to value society and the fact that a society needs a ton of differently skilled and thus differently educated people. Key to that is a decently organized and funded educational system that tries to empower, prepare and skill youngsters according to their abilities, interests and needs. Again, this too is a political choice that requires raising and allocating money to serve that purpose. But the consequence is beneficial to both the individuals as well as to the society and its common good. But also, again, as a consequence of a clean and safe surrounding/environment, as well as the density of living so densely together, the possibility arises to actively pursue a surrounding in which it is possible yet also logical to allow a child this freedom and independence. The environment is clean and safe enough to let children play unsupervised, but the density of living also makes that sufficient adults are close enough to respond fast enough in most of the cases where a potential problem needs a solution or care. However, i do not consider all of this as 'spoiling' children but more as logical choices, consequences, and opportunities that arise from the moment that a society/country/community starts to value care, empowerment and development of the individuals it is made up of. Of course there is a cost that comes with this, but a lot of what you describe is actually seeing the benefits that the high taxes you paid can bring when they are put into developing choices that benefit everyone in a more robust longterm vision.
@janheckman1408
3 жыл бұрын
I agree with the comment by Corvus Rabiatus. Dutch children are not spoilt, but they generally have better possibilities than children in other countries. And don't forget: all the privileges are paid not by the generous government, but by the taxpayer, who have to pay quite high taxes to make this possible.
@JoviesHome
3 жыл бұрын
I'm comparing The Netherlands to my experience in the USA most of the time, and I do feel like we are "spoiled" in a good way with all of the things we have here. And I like to shine a light on them because it makes me even more grateful to live here.
@frdml01
3 жыл бұрын
I think you would only refer to this as being "spoiled" if you have lived in countries that do not take care of general welfare. Most things I would say are human (and children) rights in the pursuit of happiness. Even the US declaration of independence says "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. - That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed"
@m30arianne
3 жыл бұрын
There is a downside to all of this. Because of all the free money, some parents don’t feel the need to work fulltime of even work more hours if necessary. Because when you work more hours, you get less money from the government.
@5Fem5Fem
3 жыл бұрын
What’s the downside about that?!? It means you’re investing in the future
@garryferrington811
2 жыл бұрын
Work, work, work! Your corporate overlord needs his third mansion!
@daniquevisser6117
3 жыл бұрын
Jovie. I just want you to know something about the high school system. I agree on that system helping kids to study at their own level, but for me personally it was horrible. I unfortunately had to study at one of the lowest levels. Which leeded to bullying. Many people believed that I was dumb, because of the fact that I studied at a lower level. Parents often try to get their kids to study at a higher level and I know many kids struggle with this.
@JoviesHome
3 жыл бұрын
I'm so sorry that the system didn't work for you. Thank you for sharing your perspective. It's so important to learn from each other's stories and experiences.
@kamiborisova9831
3 жыл бұрын
A lot of the things you call "spoiled" I really call basic, and it's so strange to me, cause I live in Eastern Europe. Here, kids play without parent supervision since they're old enough to walk, they go to school alone, sometimes even have to take the bus, the tram or whatever form of public transportation to school from 1st grade, and it's absolutely OK. Everyone can sign up for everything they'd like in school, there's no "rich" and "poor" activities, plus, they're all free, as is healthcare till a kid's 18th Bday as well. Child support is a real deal, when pregnant, you usually take your maternity leave about a month before your due date and take 2 years of paid maternity leave, where you get 80% of your salary, + a third year, if you'd like to, which is unpaid. There's at least 20 days per year, when it's holidays and people don't go to work, + everyone gets between 20 and 35 days for vacations, and kids have more than 30 days in vacations as well + the 3 months during summer vacation. On the other hand, there's a lot of things, that make us close to Spain, as the cleanliness you mentioned, there's crime, and even tho young and well educated people are higher paid, the elderly are poor. But all of that makes me wonder, how it is in the US? How come your kids can't play unsupervised, or take the public transport to school, if they have to? How come there's no child support for everyone, and isn't there child-friendly restaurants? Am I not getting it right and misinterpreting what you're saying? ...
@JoviesHome
3 жыл бұрын
'm comparing The Netherlands to my experience in the USA most of the time, and I do feel like we are "spoiled" in a good way with all of the things we have here. And I like to shine a light on them because it makes me even more grateful to live here.
@kamiborisova9831
3 жыл бұрын
@@JoviesHome thank you for taking the time and replying. I get that you appreciate those things, and I think that's amazing, because a lot of times people don't really appreciate what they have. Reading your comment I realized that I don't appreciate it as well. As someone who's never been to the States, I got a bit confused, because I taught there's all of these things there as well and the only difference is that people need their cars more than we need them in Europe. On the other hand, I'm in love with the Netherlands, it's one of my favourite places I visited so far, and it's even on the list of countries to move to next year, so your videos are extremely helpful and I want to thank you for that! I appreciate all the good work you're doing on showing you what it's like to live like the Dutch people. Thank you!
@treskplesk9394
2 жыл бұрын
I do not agree with your reasons why Dutch children are spoiled. I live in Slovakia (Central Europe) and the children are not spoiled. It has nothing to do with the safety of the country - we are a very safe country (more than the Netherlands), the children play outside on their own because it is safe here and no one will steal or harm your children. The difference is in the upbringing - children are brought up strictly, maybe even conservatively it can be said. In Western countries, children are given great freedom at the expense of rules, that is the difference between our countries. PS: You have interesting videos.
@lucbrons
3 жыл бұрын
I think spoiled is the wrong word here, privileged is more appropriate!
@JoviesHome
3 жыл бұрын
We used the word spoiled because we knew it would get more attention than words like lucky or privileged. It worked!
@jolandajonas1595
3 жыл бұрын
If your child is spoiled, it only has to do with how you raise your child. It has nothing to do with the privileges they get. Germany is cleaner and neater.
@5Fem5Fem
3 жыл бұрын
And stricter 😆
@mariekedekruiff2884
2 жыл бұрын
And wayyyy more cars
@ThatExpatMom
2 жыл бұрын
Wow child payments?! That's amazing!
@petervaughan6854
3 жыл бұрын
Wow, does the US not have a Centre parcs equivalent? We have them in the UK but usually went to the ones in the NL as it was more of an experience!
@kbvvl3186
2 жыл бұрын
You are ignorant
@vissenkooi3443
2 жыл бұрын
Maybee you can do something with home decorating or interrior design 🤣
@MsLouis88
2 жыл бұрын
Very intrested
@SpawnBootcamp
2 жыл бұрын
lol, Thought this was going to be a rant.. fooled me!
@daniellemeijer5246
2 жыл бұрын
How about instead of saying Dutch kids are "spoiled" to Dutch Society has thought about how to create an amazing place to live. We work hard together, Think about how we want our kids to grow up and pay lots of taxes to make this possible. I understand in this video that the word "spoiled" is not negative although the title makes it seem like the kids are "spoiled" in a negative way. A little misleading.
@advans7469
3 жыл бұрын
All the things you mentioned, we just think of them as normal, thanks for the reminder that it is not Jovie
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