DAMN Steve - this is a LOT of work you've done. I feel the manufacturers should be paying you to disclose this. Thanks for your dedication!
@LlywellynOBrien
Сағат бұрын
Lol I feel like some of them would rather pay him not to share it.
@prescotthancock5907
Сағат бұрын
Heck no. They lie and stretch the truth. They do not wanna pay someone to prove that lol
@dotjaz
46 минут бұрын
And why do you think they didn't put all these information out themselves?
@noname-vv1vr
2 сағат бұрын
paying 300$ for a motherboard for it to not be able to run ram at specified speeds is crazy
@Hirnlego999
Сағат бұрын
I think it's best to find deals during Black Friday, that's soon anyway
@mastroitek
Сағат бұрын
I always looked at the 120-150$ price range, now it feels the same features and quality can only be found at 250$. While getting a 130$ board rn basically equates in receiving a piece of carboard with rgb on it.
@_____.__
Сағат бұрын
Is there any real speed gain in using 8000mhz, high latency RAM over the optimum, low latency 6000mhz cl30 RAM at all?
@Armata464
57 минут бұрын
@@_____.__you gain more bandwith. Thats all.
@Hirnlego999
54 минут бұрын
@@_____.__ No. I'll keep using 6000 CL30
@caiocesararts7136
3 сағат бұрын
The slides with all the information for each board are incredible, I love the format.
@prantoislam5529
2 сағат бұрын
Yes please do an X870 models buying guide, and do another one when B850 comes out as well
@j3m638
3 сағат бұрын
And there was me trying to have a relaxing evening....
@Hardwareunboxed
3 сағат бұрын
Haha get to work :)
@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking
2 сағат бұрын
Kinda looks like there might be a bit of a motherboard PCB lottery going on with getting DDR5-8000 work on AM5. The X870E-E and Crosshair X870E Hero have the exact same memory topology AFAIK. So it's odd to see such a big difference between them. Also my X870E Hero really doesn't like doing 8000 but yours does 8300. I wonder if MSI has some kind of extra validation step in manufacturing since all their boards got 8100 or if you just got lucky with their boards all getting the same results.
@Hardwareunboxed
2 сағат бұрын
Yeah not sure, I'd really have to do more serious stress testing, but for that I'd have to pick just a few boards.
@MrFatpenguin
2 сағат бұрын
Is there a material reason to go 8000 though? If not overclocking for fun, it seems to me that 6000 is still king isn't it?
@misericorde360
2 сағат бұрын
@@MrFatpenguin I'd like to know, too !
@Hardwareunboxed
2 сағат бұрын
Yeah 8000 doesn't really make sense, low latency 6000 to maybe 6400 if you have a good chip is king for AM5.
@wahcriminal
2 сағат бұрын
@@MrFatpenguin6000 with low latency is probably still the sweet spot, afaik the lower latency is still better than whatever the bump to 8000 would yield. But then again I'm no expert.
@voice5sur5
3 сағат бұрын
I can appreciate the amount of work you put on this testing despite being only interested on the mid range b650 mobos.
@marktackman2886
2 сағат бұрын
Thank you for catching sneaky slow USB ports!
@worldwanderingfisherman2166
2 сағат бұрын
Incredible layout Steve, explaining in detail with numbers about that specific board. I loved it.
@Monique-iz8lp
3 сағат бұрын
I miss the old era of MBs. My 200$ board from 2016, has 10gig LAN and a debug display, meanwhile current 500$ boards often have neither.
@GewelReal
3 сағат бұрын
Inflation
@exscape
2 сағат бұрын
@@GewelReal Inflation is not greater than 150% in the past 8 years. (Clearly "greater" since indeed the 150% more expensive boards still lack the functionality.)
@HArmin-sd2yf
2 сағат бұрын
@@GewelReal I would say greediness and than inflation...
@StefanHolmes
2 сағат бұрын
@@exscapeI think for a lot of products, inflation absolutely is around 150% over the last 8 years
@ConnorH2111
2 сағат бұрын
Yeah but i bet it doesn't have an LCD screen and RGB 🤫
@hoppyrabbit1833
2 сағат бұрын
Thank you for the in depth information, especially the Audio Info. Please keep it up!
@roskapostit2609
2 сағат бұрын
The summary tables starting from 36:43 are just awesome. Thank you guys !!
@Dudi4PoLFr
2 сағат бұрын
I will comeback to this video again after your 9800X3D review, Thank you Steve!
@matdid5735
2 сағат бұрын
Great job! And really very informative the new summary sheet of each motherboard. I think the data on boot times, max memory frequencies and ECC support in particular are very useful.
@thepadonthepondbythescum
Сағат бұрын
There is not much demand for ECC in gaming, but for a home server it would be nice. The double X16 slots; two sata adapters for your drive arrays or those 4 x M.2 cards.
@thirtyeighteen
Сағат бұрын
Thanks Steve, I really want to mention that I appreciate you state amount of fan headers in the chart. Helps a lot!
@procedupixel213
2 сағат бұрын
After the first X870 bord reviews were out, I pulled the trigger on a B650 board. BIOS Flashback ran through no problems; Ryzen 9000 is up and running. Much more luxurious boards would be available; but looking back at what I did and didn't with my previous DIY PC, I knew I could safely cut back on things like wifi or PCIe 5.0, or SATA, or a huge number of USB ports.
@stormrider01
3 сағат бұрын
Thank you so much for this big comparison!
@AshtonCoolman
28 минут бұрын
I absolutely love this format of how you're showing the information. Please keep this format going forward. Also please keep the audio testing and add m more information like the DAC chipset model. That let's us know if we need to get an external DAC or not. This is amazing work, Steve!
@lolmao500
3 сағат бұрын
You know the funniest thing Ive read lately?? The Gigabyte claim that their new X3D Turbo Mode feature will boost gaming performance by up to 35% on AMD Ryzen 9000X3D 3D V-Cache CPUs. If this is true im gonna eat my hat but it seems 110% total bullcrap. Prove me wrong Gigabyte. Prove me wrong.
@MrFatpenguin
2 сағат бұрын
I bet it's just marketing. They even reduced the number of layers in their PCBs to cut costs (6 instead of the 8 recommended with PCIE5), I highly doubt their boards can do something others cannot...
@RobFisherUK
2 сағат бұрын
@@MrFatpenguin "up to" is doing all the work.
@DitzDj
Сағат бұрын
And more oddly the 20% performance improvement over 9000 non-X3D CPUs...
@PlasticComplex
Сағат бұрын
Sounds like a recipe for a lot of 9800X3D's cooking themselves. Would be a great boost if they could do it though.
@KiltedCritic
40 минут бұрын
I'm sure they'll add "AI" to the name, and then that'll make it true.
@justmatt2655
3 сағат бұрын
I find it weird how they made the number so much bigger while basically being the same as x670 lol
The quantity of boards times the amount of detail for every board is astounding here - I don't anyone needs any more videos on these boards other than these. I really appreciate de USB tests and also the DDR5-8000 stress tests. And I don't pass over the audio tests either, I keep a look there as well.
@Jzwiz
3 сағат бұрын
I know in the podcast you said you had to be faster on these to make the video short enough but i almost do wish there was longer version with your full thoughts and descriptions etc incase you had more to say. still tons of info in this video which is nice even if im not upgrading my x670e board. Also love the info card with all info such as audio, boot time, ram etc in one spot. Edit: did notice you didnt mention the vrm specs for a few boards though
@Insomny31
2 сағат бұрын
Your work is colossal! Well done and thank you
@SAFFY7411
Сағат бұрын
Fantastic work, Steve. No ones doing this on KZitem, literally no one else. Hope this video hits 500K+ views to keep you motivated doing this sorta thorough testing.
@oogwaythesussyturtle
3 сағат бұрын
oh no.....HE'S STANDING....
@mckinleyostvig7135
Сағат бұрын
Was just watching the podcast episode where you were running through what you did for this and WOW the work you put in is crazy.
@Thejohni
Сағат бұрын
Awesome work! One thing I am missing is the mention of 7-segment displays in the summary table. The only good thing about these boards is that 7-segment displays seem to be included in the somewhat "cheaper" models also.
@osnanmaragotorodriguez4210
2 сағат бұрын
Very nice x870 board test. Glad to see the audio test included.
@BusAlexey
3 сағат бұрын
Actualy insane amount of work, thank you!
@marekciostek1458
3 сағат бұрын
1:56 USB lottery XD Even if you plug USB device at first try, you get 40MB/s or 400MB/s.
@Matticitt
3 сағат бұрын
You're a machine. That's so much work.
@hollowfallapart
Сағат бұрын
28:26 : X870 and X870E call for USB 4 to be present, and that X870 have one 20Gb port and X870E have two 20Gbs port IIRC.
@LazyBonesWorking24x7
Сағат бұрын
This is solid work Steve!! This video will help out potential buyers!!
@lrpreda
3 сағат бұрын
Thanks for the video!!!! Amazing work
@frozenflame8319
Сағат бұрын
there is NO REASON for any of these boards to be priced over 400eurodollarz
@grimdicer152
36 минут бұрын
inflation
@frozenflame8319
28 минут бұрын
@@grimdicer152 lol another excuse of the elites for the simple people same as taxes how about stupid uninformed lazy buyers
@MrFatpenguin
2 сағат бұрын
This channel really should have more subscribers! All this reliable work done year after year, it's amazing!
@djpep94
3 сағат бұрын
Thanks so much for this video I’ve been planning to build a new AM5 build and this will be so useful!
@dangale6969
3 сағат бұрын
Thank you for the amazing content as always! Would love to see the top 3/5 boards in this range broken out and to the reasons why. Cheers!
@victorrego5242
Сағат бұрын
Greetings from Paris ! Thank you for your amazing work with all these MB, the format with slides is really helping will all provided data. THANKS !!!!!!
@misericorde360
2 сағат бұрын
Thank you for the in-depth testing !
@V4zz33
3 сағат бұрын
Thank you! Enjoy the weekend!
@aaronhong7759
2 сағат бұрын
Wow! An absolute insanely helpful video. We are so lucky as buyers to have creators like y'all to help inform us when buying these products. If you could also provide a buyers guide for these boards at the different price points like you did with the X670E boards, that would be amazing
@HowDidThisHappenNow
Сағат бұрын
Great work Steve! I really like this as i gives me a good overview of the new boards. It be nice to see your picks at the different price ranges if you got the time and energy to do it.
@BeB02090
3 сағат бұрын
It's 4 am in the US from where I'm at. Thank you 100000 Steve! 💜
@Aktuvor
Сағат бұрын
I am really looking forward to a buying guide as my old friend has broken down and I need to build a new one. This video will be saved for reference in any case, great detailed work.
@jiffyd22
Сағат бұрын
Thank you for this in-depth review! Definitely yes to a buyers guide. So many pricey models but it would be good to have the “real talk” of “do you really need this extra feature”, etc.
@nykraftlemagnifique
Сағат бұрын
Great review ! Love the format, all the information you give are precious for us. Thank a lot for all your work.
@demiankeaough4616
2 сағат бұрын
Great video. Definitely want the buyers guide you mentioned.
@nipa5961
Сағат бұрын
Thanks for your hard work!
@mc_sim
3 сағат бұрын
Not a single matx board. I'm pissed.
@beteljuise9617
Сағат бұрын
Me too
@Borg_Gr
2 сағат бұрын
Thank you 🙏 for the sound benchmarks
@maxdoe6534
2 сағат бұрын
Very insightful as always, great work!
@neoaliens8635
3 сағат бұрын
Man you benchmark motherboards fast, Steve! And I've come to watch your video and say thank you fast!
@blarghmcblarghson1903
3 сағат бұрын
Legend has it he is still testing to this day...
@RAW_Reality
Сағат бұрын
Staples Button: Go to 36:50, figure out what's important to you, make selection. Still wasn't easy, but _easier._ 😅
@prescotthancock5907
Сағат бұрын
Great work, you're work is always top tier for buying guides! Between Hardware Unboxed and Monitors Unboxed, I haven't been disappointed with something you've reviewed and I purchased-yet!
@OpenGameDev
Сағат бұрын
Thanks for the audio testing, amazed of how bad they are for such expensive boards.
@M.F.-lq7jb
Сағат бұрын
Not as bad as most speakers the majority connects to them. 😂 personally i could not care less about audio. I connect digital output to my hifi receiver.
@OpenGameDev
Сағат бұрын
@@M.F.-lq7jb bizarre how must of the B650 don't even include optical SPDIF anymore
@M.F.-lq7jb
Сағат бұрын
@OpenGameDev audio via hdmi over the gpu is always an option when the mobo has no spdif. And it has less limitations than spdif.
@Hirnlego999
48 минут бұрын
@@M.F.-lq7jb HDMI isn't actually the best for audio. Obviously it's better for the new surround uncompressed formats, but it's not the best for 2.0 audio
@M.F.-lq7jb
30 минут бұрын
@Hirnlego999 well you won't hear a difference no matter how much you spend on cables, connectors and other audio voodoo stuff, as blind tests with industry "gold ears" have shown. So it really does not matter. And both is miles ahead in measurements compared to analog. What matters is that hdmi supports more formats. What's nice about spdif is the slim optical cable. I used toslink for years but more convenient is hdmi.
@UsernameInvalid48
2 сағат бұрын
Ended up getting an x670 instead. Will be dropping a 9800x3d soon when that drops most likely unless it has something terribly wrong with it. The new boards just pretty much do the same thing but with higher cost. Was able to snag a board for 200 usd with the full 44 PCIe lanes. Main thing I need is a bunch of SSD expandability for and capture card for video work. Thunderbolt 4 is uneeded. USB 3.2 is good enough if I need to plug in an external hard drive.
@remsterx
52 минут бұрын
What you think the pricing will be? I have the b650e steel series and was waiting on the 7800x3d to drop in price but as that will never happen 🤷🏽♂️
@spicynoodles307
2 сағат бұрын
Please keep the max ram frequency and the audio testing in all the upcoming board reviews they are very helpful.❤ excited to know what the new intel boards will be capable of specially the B series. 😁
@stephen865
25 минут бұрын
After seeing all these x870 board reviews and now seeing that they all struggle to run ddr8000 which was the main selling point, i pulled the trigger and just purchased a asrock b650 steel legend cant wait to get it, great work steve
@Matty-rn5gt
2 сағат бұрын
Loads of work guys! I grabbed a ProArt X870E knowing I’ll keep it for 4-5 years. Seems pretty solid.
@Mike80528
32 минут бұрын
Really like the score card layout. Great single page synopsis of MB performance/capability.
@MikeDawson1
38 минут бұрын
what a ton of work you put into this, thank you! although I'm surprised there is no "performance per watt" graph at the end - I think you have all the data to create this, so maybe you can add it in your follow up video with the missing motherboards?
@bobo-cc1xw
3 сағат бұрын
Insane. And your standing up oh dear
@TerraWare
2 сағат бұрын
Great work Stevothy
@AlexBrown-mk1qo
Сағат бұрын
I'm watching not because I have any interest in any of these boards, but only because I know how much work you put into this one Steve!
@RobFisherUK
2 сағат бұрын
One thing to double-check on each board is which PCI slots do what depending on what NVMe slots are used. Only the ASRock boards guarantee x16 for the GPU but they make other compromises.
@Slyons89
Минут бұрын
The MSI Tomahawk also allows all 4 m.2 slots to be used while keeping the main graphics card slot at 16x. It cuts the bandwidth of the 3rd pcie slot and then the usb4 ports for using the 3rd and 4th m.2 slot.
@jamdi487
3 сағат бұрын
Ur channel is the most international tech channel that i watch. For this type of benchmarks. U reviewed so many brands and models . That dosent even matter if in my country an expecific motherboard dosent sell. U always have an extra option.
@ericcartman5722
22 минут бұрын
Thanks Steve!
@maoandmi
3 сағат бұрын
Massive effort again, thanks you 🙏
@MikeyD1991
2 сағат бұрын
lots of choices. waiting for that 9800x3d before choosing what board. good stuff.
@remsterx
50 минут бұрын
Smart get the cpu first so you’re not locked in like my dumb butt. I bought the b650e board first when I was going to get the 7800x3d for 330 but it’s seen nothing but increases in price to currently 700
@SPSteve
2 сағат бұрын
Great video; thanks, Steve! The Gigabyte X870E Aorus Pro looks to be a middle-of-the-pack board, but the Ice version looks amazing so I'm still going with it and a DDR5 6000 memory kit.
@das5842
22 минут бұрын
Great video and extremely helpful. A buying guide as you mentioned in the video would be absolutely fantastic, especially if it helps those of us looking to put together a new system work out what we should buy once the new Intel and AMD (X3D chip) chips land.
@apoc341
Сағат бұрын
Great work and a buying guide would be great as well.
@Blafard666
3 сағат бұрын
This man refuses sleep unless he can benchmark it ...
Сағат бұрын
thanks steve, my favorite x870 motherboard was asrock x870 pro rs wifi. the motherboard I am currently using is asrock B450m Pro4 with new bios, the ram speeds it supports have increased. I can use 3466mhz cl16 with ryzen 5 2600 as 2 channels.
@CanIHasThisName
Сағат бұрын
Dang! You don’t screw around. Nice work.
@stuartsomerville4123
2 сағат бұрын
Yay! Been looking forward to this. Settling down with cup of coffee...
@atariplayer3686
Сағат бұрын
Thank you Steve for the awesome AMD X870/X870E review!
@utuq
Сағат бұрын
Thank you sir, highly appreciate it!
@ragiponsoy2289
2 сағат бұрын
Again excellent job... You are remarkable...
@Fortyozkilluh
Сағат бұрын
instant like for all the time and work.
@sitordan
Сағат бұрын
Steve, hats off for all that effort. You're standing, though, which is worrisome.
@sheratedis
22 минут бұрын
Thank You!
@carl4889
Сағат бұрын
Amazing content. Thanks for the hard work. For all the funny business between AMD and MSI recently, that Tomahawk is actually looking pretty nice.
@saboyar
2 сағат бұрын
The boot time information is extremely helpful. I've been very annoyed with AMD boot times, especially since DDR5 introduction, and this varies across vendors. Thank you for the attention to detail.
@sysakPL
6 минут бұрын
Steve you're an absolute legend, thanks! (Sticking with my cheapo b650m aorus elite ax though 😉)
@oconnoradrian
44 минут бұрын
Yes, for the buying guide please!
@organicinsanity2534
2 сағат бұрын
This is gonna be extremely handy in 3 years when it’s time to upgrade to one of these bad boys on the used market. But I came to show support for your work!
@TungstenS7
18 минут бұрын
So what I've learned is that a good B650E motherboard is the way to go. Thanks Steve!
@jonRock
Сағат бұрын
Thanks Steve! I'll be going with that MSI X870E Carbon (hate the price though, but it's just how it is these days). I'm currently using the MSI X570S Carbon, and it's going strong.
@spacedock873
2 сағат бұрын
I'm just happy that I managed to bag a 7800X3D and a 600 series motherboard before the "sales" and so don't have to pay inflated prices for the same performance.
@jgig1329
38 минут бұрын
Great work here Steve what a mammoth effort! The variability in 8000 MHz stability is interesting and seems like there may be significant board-to-board variation within the same product line, given that you had some lower spec boards that passed while higher spec boards did not. Seems like MSI may be the way to go for the best likelihood of hitting these speeds, although it’s not clear to me why that would actually be useful for anybody besides “bigger number better”. Really appreciate all your hard work, this is the type of stuff much larger outlets do but HUB punches way above its weight class.
@TechnoFreak-IN
Сағат бұрын
Thank you for the testing, now i can go with "ASRock X870 Pro RS WiFi", its the cheapest x870 board here in India at like $267 (usd). Seems really good for the price!
@Apik17
Сағат бұрын
very good video ;) thank you Steve
@SuperAuburnBoy
2 сағат бұрын
Great video! is there a way we can see you testing a board ? I think watching you test a board will help us consumers identify if we have a faulty board if we know how to test it as thorough as you test it.
@horusmorus5588
3 сағат бұрын
it pays to be up as a North American, you get to catch the best Australian reviewers as they upload!
@M00_be-r
3 сағат бұрын
Thanks, I ll stay on my b650 tomahawk tho 😉
@HAM_An1mA
2 сағат бұрын
If you dont need high memory speeds and okay with higher boottime go Asrock. High budget and want good overclocking capabilities go Asus Hero. And stay away from the Gigabyte Eagle.
@MidWitPride
2 сағат бұрын
It would had been great if you had mentioned how the PCIe slots are bifurcated for the boards with multiple x16 slots. Very important to know for any multi-GPU workstation use.
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