Can tell he likes the Midwest one by the wear that's on it
@ar-15techtipsinunder5minut8
4 ай бұрын
its not wear, he machined it down because MI machined it out of spec.
@capt.martin5169
8 ай бұрын
Thanks, I just bought the Midwest because of this video, I hope Midwest sees this and takes care of you. Thanks again!
@FightingSportsMedia
5 ай бұрын
Hopefully not using to torque barrel nut, that puts all the pressure on your barrel index pin. These rods are meh compared to a clamshell style.
@chrisd5758
3 ай бұрын
@@FightingSportsMediawhy do you think it has the top fin for? To prevent exactly what you're worried about.
@CaptGus
4 жыл бұрын
Well done, finally someone knows what they are talking about.
@goinhot9133
3 жыл бұрын
I know right. The man is gold when it comes to ARs. I like that he does everything right, not cutting corners.
@rifleshooterchannel208
10 ай бұрын
Dude is a fake expert. The Scotty Kilmer of guns 😂
@deadweight2049
9 ай бұрын
@@rifleshooterchannel208how so? I'm interested in why what this guy says is incorrect.
@rifleshooterchannel208
9 ай бұрын
@@deadweight2049 He recommends 420 stainless pins for the ejector, that right there is enough to show he doesn’t have a clue what he’s talking about. Did you ever see his “how to lube the AR15” video too? Clown shoes stuff.
@deadweight2049
9 ай бұрын
@rifleshooterchannel208 I haven't seen his videos, I'll have to check them out and see what's up. Thanks for the reply dude.
@jccuby7771
4 жыл бұрын
Just bought the Midwest one. I can’t believe how versatile this tool is. It definitely makes the assemble/build/maintenance of ars a joy!
@bruces12
4 жыл бұрын
I went and did the same thing. Love the fact that you can index the rifle with these!!
@johnlind9194
7 ай бұрын
Got the Midwest Industries and swear by it. Best method for holding the upper during barrel removal/install.
@Econolinebus
5 ай бұрын
I'm glad I watched this. I learned something.
@seanwhite304
4 жыл бұрын
Where have you guys been my whole life . Between you guys and Chris at SAS the knowledge is phenomenal
@MrEpeeFencer
3 жыл бұрын
Who's Chris? Does he have a channel?
@MrEpeeFencer
3 жыл бұрын
@Youstill Wrongtho Thanks.
@user-zg3dl3oy4u
5 ай бұрын
Beware of BCM upper receivers, there clocked & this is the response BCM gives when MI Reaction Rod doesn't fit. BCM exact words= NOTE: We use a lot of MI Reaction Rods here in our shop,however we almost always remove the upper wing. The tolerance stacking of the vertical wing can make it incompatible with some milspec upper receivers. (NOT ACCEPTABLE)
@PandemicGameplay
2 ай бұрын
yea that's just laziness, the uppers they are using must be out of spec.
@hometed8733
8 ай бұрын
The Midwest is a very good value and built rock solid. I had a cheap aluminum one from ebay for my ar15 builds. I bought a Midwest Industries one for a 308 build. Very happy with it. I would recommend this one over all the others as well.
@AtlantiXYL
2 жыл бұрын
2:57 that part was gold! Thanks for the info. I think Geissele started the innovation and others made it better.
@tomhood8897
2 жыл бұрын
Just found this video today and ordered the 2 Unique spud. On sale for 175. Happy to support a small independent machine shop! Thanks for the video and great info!
@davidschaadt3460
6 ай бұрын
I just ordered a Wheeler rod. I have been hesitant to try one. Been worried about the pin and notch. Great program! Thank you.
@9877joseph
2 ай бұрын
Take the sail off if you find that it won't fit in place.
@snakeman48
3 жыл бұрын
I been using the 2 Unique rod since they brought it to market. I have a piece of drill rod I got from work for the gas tube line up of the nuts that require it.No regrets on the purchase. Buy once, cry once.
@nramorrisg8415
3 жыл бұрын
Yep I agree with you them two are a the best I always try to explain to people, if you're going to buy always by the better one and be done with it no sense of wasting money or breaking the equipment you're working on maybe that's why snap-on's the top-of-the-line. we can all sing the song Imagine that.
@tonyblewitt6159
2 жыл бұрын
Aluminum reaction rod is not going to tear up the inner end of the barrel. Steel against steel ... well think about it
@elitetrader5468
Жыл бұрын
You question Chad? Good god.
@rcairnut
2 жыл бұрын
I have the Gisele Super reaction rod it locks the upper and just rocks! I also have the URR and it rocks also but is quicker to use and works as a gauge unlike the afore mentioned Gisele Super reaction rod. My .02
@flawless1up
2 жыл бұрын
i have always been a fan of geissele... but i decided on Midwest industries this time. just shipped today
@MJA5
Жыл бұрын
The SRR does indeed index the upper receiver assuming it’s milspec
@johnniewasr5740
Жыл бұрын
It locks the barrel extension, not the upper. That is one of the main points of this video.
@MJA5
Жыл бұрын
Geissele Super Reaction rod uses jigs in the ejection port to isolate the upper. It works very well in my experience
@moscasucio1686
Жыл бұрын
Is it better than MI reaction rod?
@MJA5
Жыл бұрын
@@moscasucio1686 I can’t say because I have never used an MI but I understand they are very good.
@johnniewasr5740
Жыл бұрын
@@moscasucio1686 no it’s not plus it is almost twice the price of the MI
@richardscarlett7942
4 жыл бұрын
this is very helpful, we need more explanation, demonstration on other AR tools.
@CarbonGlassMan
5 ай бұрын
This is interesting. I just drilled a 9mm barrel so I could add an index pin so I can grind in a feed ramp on the barrel because the new setup I have with the Mean Arms pmag conversions isn't working. The bolt is just picking up the bullet and jamming it straight into the flat vertical fact of the barrel, just under the chamber/feeding cone. I don't want the barrel to spin if I'm just doing a feed ramp on the bottom of the barrel. This won't work for a 9mm barrel though. Maybe with the CMMG rotary delay system, but not for the blowback system.
@ThePartialArtist
Ай бұрын
I like that the Giselle allows you to rotate, i have back problems, so bending over to put in the gas block screws is annoying. The Giselle allows me to set the gun upside down. I also like the more sturdy design of the Midwest one. I need a happy medium. A sturdy rod that allows me to rotate the gun when needed. I dont think they make it.
@ar-15techtipsinunder5minut8
10 ай бұрын
MI shipped out a lot of URRs out of spec, including the one shown in this video, thats why he machined it down himself. Look closely at it and it becomes obvious. The MI URR I bought also wouldn't fit any of my Colt Uppers and so it was sent back to Brownells. The 2Unique is a better product as its lugs are wider and gives a better fitment in the extension.
@HotBrass-Lead
3 жыл бұрын
I use the wheelers rod and wheelers clamshell. Love them !!!!! I don’t torque anything over 40fp so it’s perfect
@damon323
Жыл бұрын
Does the wheeler lock in to the star lugs of a barrel pretty well? Sorry if my terminology isn’t correct.
@eugenejensen2279
Жыл бұрын
Great video I think I’ll get one of the Midwest reaction rods as I just broke a pin off one of my barrels because my other reaction rod has no sail to hold the upper in place.
@radradR0bot
2 жыл бұрын
I have the real avid one. I like that it doesn't have a sail because I use it to install upper parts like FA, gas blocks, handguards etc. It's nice to be able to quickly rotate the upper into whatever position I need. However I don't use to torque the barrel nut. I use a magpul bev block for that.
@DDGVET4
2 жыл бұрын
I had no idea there were so many different reaction rods. Very informative. Thanks!
@billn911
Жыл бұрын
Best video on this tool. I have been torn and confused by reviews and this really helped clear up the differences. Thank you!
@VincitOmniaVeritas7
4 ай бұрын
I have the real avid. While the lack of a “sail” does put a stress on the index knob while torquing the barrel nut, it is perfectly safe to use it to change muzzle devices since only the barrel lugs are engaged and no torque is applied on the aluminum receiver in that case. For installing the barrel nut, however, a torque gauge is essencial to make sure you don’t exceed the recommended ft/lbs and eventually crack your upper.
@mathiasbarot2243
2 жыл бұрын
I was on way to buy the Real Avid one (here in Europe, it's not too difficult to find it, like the Geissele one), but thanks to your vid, I will get the Midwest one, even if it's not easy here ! Thanks again 👍
@daniellerose4611
Жыл бұрын
I currently have a real avid in my shopping cart but decided to see what SOTAR had to say first. Needless to say, I'm scrapping the RA and going with the Midwest
@rockriveroutdoors810
3 жыл бұрын
Barrel extension are torqued to 150 ft lbs then gas ports drilled off the center of the barrel extension pin, that extension has to be machined wrong. If you are putting enough torque a barrel nut to break the upper your torquing way to hard. Use pb blaster and heat after that, if it’s still seized let it soak over night in an ATF/Diesel mixture. If still not working Heat the barrel nut and put a barrel cooler in the extension. Never once have we ever broke a receiver, pins sure, but they drill out easily enough. Just some tricks of the trade.
@JuanPerez-gd5ft
Жыл бұрын
Interesting to know how many variants pros and cons of these reaction rods I are out there until I saw your video. Very well executed great info, well done.
@Quality_Guru
2 жыл бұрын
I have never built an AR pistol but I love the knowledge that is shared on this channel. The presentation style is very professional, the narrative is very well thought out and the close ups provide us with exceptional details. Very nicely done.
@cytofusion6072
4 жыл бұрын
The primary criticism of the Reaction rod as a tool seems to be that if you use it wrong, you can break your receiver. Much like how if you stick your hand in a running blender, you’ll lose it. I think at that point we just have to chalk it up to people not doing the proper research before jumping into a project. I do wonder what your opinion of the Magpul Bev Block design is.
@philbertlovely7724
2 жыл бұрын
I feel that Midwest is like the Matco of gunsmithing tools. Not the most expensive or the most well-known, bit field-proven to get the job done right. I know who I'll do business with.
@armedfoodie
2 жыл бұрын
The rod was not meant to install barrel nut, it is intended to take torq off installing muzzle devices. Upper vise block is better for installing barrel nut.
@vgamedude12
3 жыл бұрын
Damn when I was going to build an AR a while ago I thought these reaction rods would be better for installing barrels. Never clicked until I saw the demonstration here.
@Maine307
2 жыл бұрын
its almost as if he has experience and training in the subject.. Cheers from the Woods of Maine! Awesome video as usual !
@bruces12
4 жыл бұрын
Excellent video...the fact that you can index the rifle using the reaction rod with the "sail" makes them worth their weight! Just subscribed and liked.
@flyleroutdoors7169
Ай бұрын
What a phenomenal video
@Mihogan
3 ай бұрын
I appreciate the demonstration. I have to ask, do reaction rods you show that have the fin (wheeler, Midwest) stop the torque all going to the index pin?
@CodCraVe
2 жыл бұрын
Just got the Midwest URR in today and 6/8 of my uppers must have barrel extension/upper receiver timing issue because the lugs would not engage with the barrel extension…. These are all factory assembled uppers from BCM, Black Rain Ordnance, and S&W…. However when I check engagement with a BCG to check gas tube alignment and lug alignment, everything appears to be working as it should. Milspec ARs are built with tolerances to allow function without 100% perfect timing but it still bothers me. Now I’m contemplating stripping out all of these uppers and indexing with the Midwest URR….. hopefully it’s not a huge deal but I’m not a gunsmith
@MP-vm1jt
Жыл бұрын
How did it go?
@CodCraVe
Жыл бұрын
@@MP-vm1jt turns out my Midwest URR was out of spec and machined too large in the particular batch. They tested a new one on 20+ known good uppers and shipped it out overnight. Turns out all of my uppers were in spec after all. Props to Midwest for promptly addressing my issue.
@garywillis9528
Жыл бұрын
A reaction rod is a must for assembling an LR308 upper. It is correct that you have to be careful with 308's and the play is not fun but fine if you are careful. Grease your threads and have a good supply of shims if you have to assemble one. I would prefer handguards the don't need indexted. You still have to estimate where it will be aligned but do your best guess. Additionally LR308 uppers are often non standard and the plastic gripper won't always fit. Using the block that uses the takedown pins is very likely to distort the bosses on the upper. Resist the temptation to overtighten as you cans see you may not be able to easily remove the barrel if you break the pin.
@uahhak8424
2 ай бұрын
The Midwest URR did not work on my AR the rod could not be inserted into the upper the rod is 1.00 in. OD the upper ID is .933 in.
@rg-himself8367
8 ай бұрын
I have the real avid one, and my first time using it (could've been my fault) I just went for 50 ft.lbs on the barrel nut, just so my brain was happy in the middle of the allowance on barrel nuts...the tool sheared in the extension before I hit 50. 😂 but to real avid's credit, I told them what happened, and in about 9 days, I had a brand new one in the mail at no cost. This one has been up to 60 ft.lbs with no problem. Lemons do happen, and I'm grateful that Real Avid had (has) great customer service on a rare bad part!
@l337l0gan
4 жыл бұрын
Building my 2nd AR lower, and my first upper. Thank you for this!
@PatRiot104
5 ай бұрын
Great video! What are your thoughts on the BEV Block?
@kiarakairhee
Жыл бұрын
Good stuff
@MitchFlint
2 жыл бұрын
Recently twisted the steel spline out of the aluminum Wheeler while removing a very stubborn barrel nut from a side-charging receiver. The carrier key channel narrows at the rear of the side-charging upper so the sail had to be removed. None of the gun parts were damaged, but the fixture was ruined, which affirms the utility of the sail. To be fair, the Wheeler stood up okay through lots of use on normal uppers before this special case.
@damon323
Жыл бұрын
So is the Wheeler pretty good then overall? I’m just building like one or two uppers.
@MitchFlint
Жыл бұрын
@@damon323 Sure, it's okay for light duty. But if I had it to do again, I'd have shelled out the extra bucks on one made of solid steel in the first place. You only have to buy good tools once.
@mann3624
2 жыл бұрын
What is the correct technical classification for this group of tools? Would you call them all reaction rods? It seems like that could be misleading since Geissele's product is named the Reaction Rod. Reaction-style rods seems wrong too for some reason. Barrel rods maybe?
@MichaelLeopold1
26 күн бұрын
Perfect
@brucehartsell4997
5 ай бұрын
great video! I learned some things about reaction rods.
@maxcole3930
2 ай бұрын
So it's obvious the Midwest is the best. I need to buy one of these because I have to uppers to assemble & all I have is the Brownells clam shell. Which is what I've used to assemble my others previously. Now after watching your stuff I wanna go back & check those with the rod also. So considering I'm only gonna be messing with 6 uppers. Do you think the wheel rod would be ok fory situation of not doing this alot? Or should I just get the Midwest?
@kriswhitman8027
3 жыл бұрын
Awesome thank you. I will acquire the tool from Midwest. You just saved me some frustration by getting the correct tool the first time! Great video!!
@alanknight4418
2 жыл бұрын
I just bought the Geissele. Should have seen this first.
@abarney1547
7 ай бұрын
I sheered an index pin with one of these rods got lucky and didn’t damage the receiver
@fatefinger
4 жыл бұрын
So basically what I take here with the Kley-Zion or Geissele reaction rod don’t be stupid.
@joelclark2130
4 жыл бұрын
Wow absolutely love it great video. Makes me change my mind about what I'm going to buy thank you
@paulhughes3961
4 жыл бұрын
I have an aluminum alignment rod and I am very careful not to put to much force on it. I really like the Midwest Industries .
@russellstall169
Жыл бұрын
You do a great job of explaining these products thanks
@CharlieMikeNS
3 жыл бұрын
If the MI Rod goes in, but meets a little resistance, is that a failure for the barrel extension alignment?
@shawng7902
3 жыл бұрын
I just ordered a wheelers. Had a magpul block but knew that wasnt the answer. Others cost way more so I tried the $50 option. At 3 min mark I'm glad I did. When you said people say "it takes all the stress off the upper" I instantly though no it doesnt. It puts every bit of it on that pin and barrel nipple. Love learning something before it happens to me. Thanks for video.
@damon323
Жыл бұрын
I can’t tell if you like the Wheeler, or if it’s putting stress on the index pin? Is it a good tool or not?
@shawng7902
Жыл бұрын
@@damon323 It really depends. It's all in how much you will use it and how much you want to spend. The mag-block is a good all-around option if you don't already have a vice mount. I've built 1 or 2 with it. I have 3 on my wheeler so far. It does really well but I like having both. The reaction rod is like $200 but it's going to be better than any of them. Im the kind that won't spend $200 so I buy the $50 then later the $100, then, in the end, the $200 so I have a drawer of options. The wheeler to me honestly feels like it's more solid and safe than block alone. Just personal opinion.
@damon323
Жыл бұрын
@@shawng7902 Thank you very much brother, appreciate the feedback!
@Erwin3333
4 күн бұрын
Would you happen to know if any of these are compatible with the Springfield armory victor Saint AR 9mm?
@Cotay17
Жыл бұрын
Use proper amounts of moly grease on your threads and you won't have problems with the Geissele or KZ types. For a Smith working on firearms of unknown provenance, I can see the advantage of the Midwest type, but your average competent joe working on his own properly assembled ARs can get by with the round bar stock type. That said, you can find the Midwest versions for only $10-20 more than the round bar ones, so the little bit of insurance in getting the Midwest is probably worth it.
@ke3552
6 ай бұрын
@arbuildjunkie I've been subscribed for a while but have not been getting notifications of new releases. I'm open to suggestions. Thanks
@uralbob1
3 жыл бұрын
Wow! Good episode! You help give us AR owners great ideas for trouble shooting potential problems. Super interesting!
@jeffw.5462
3 жыл бұрын
This is an excellent and well articulated video. Great information, thanks!
@timturner7609
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for posting this. I was having trouble visualizing this issue.
@newrunner91
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks, exactly what I was looking for. Subbed!
@righteousriverfishinginoregon7
8 ай бұрын
Thank you. Your brief criticism of the Real Avid rod was that it is made of aluminum. But, what is your opinion about the design and way it locks the upper received in place with that pin system? Does that reduce or eliminate the tension on the upper receiver and alignment pin? I recently ordered one so I am curious. Thank you.
@codychildress7859
8 ай бұрын
Buddy keep in mind that the UPPER is made of aluminum and you should NEVER torque a barrel hard enough to damage aluminum. 40ft lbs is PLENTY especially if you change barrels often. Real avid makes a great reaction rod. I've installed hundreds of barrels without a reaction rod. They are a great LUXURY. Real avid design is just fine.
@warrenlanham9088
7 ай бұрын
If someone is just a casual builder/maintainer is it worth it to get this tool or will the bev block work just fine? Does the bev block have the same issue of putting pressure on the barrel index pin as the ones you showed that don't have the key way?
@MyOsist
Жыл бұрын
What about clamshell style upper blocks?
@Sandhill1988
5 ай бұрын
I just use the clamshell with the reinforcing insert. Nothing moves.
@arturoenriquez5164
2 жыл бұрын
Good info! I will get the Midwest Industries brand. Thanks!
@grandtheftavocado
4 жыл бұрын
SOLD, just bought one
@bruces12
4 жыл бұрын
Ditto!!
@coltharwood494
3 жыл бұрын
@@bruces12 Same here
@svarodzic
4 жыл бұрын
I was just about to buy one of those. Now, I know exactly what I need. Thanks, man!
@MichaelLeopold1
26 күн бұрын
Informative
@TheOnlySgtRock
3 жыл бұрын
Excellent information. Thank you.
@yugbe
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Great video and subject matter.
@huesitosdown
3 ай бұрын
wich one works with a 7.62x39 barrel
@johnmoorefield76
Жыл бұрын
First, I liked & subscribed to your channel! This is a very informative video. Such a great video on the different reaction rods. When I go to buy one, I know what to look for!! Thanks JUNKIE!! Will be watching your other videos!
@dorianleclair7390
4 жыл бұрын
I just bought a reaction rod off wish. It does have a sail which i thought was nice.
@vgamedude12
3 жыл бұрын
Did you use it? Does it work well?
@dorianleclair7390
3 жыл бұрын
@@vgamedude12 yeah its held up so far. Have done barrel change and couple muzzle devices.
@vgamedude12
3 жыл бұрын
@@dorianleclair7390 nice. I might get a knock off then if I build an ar in the future. always thought these things were expensive for what they are.
@dorianleclair7390
3 жыл бұрын
@@vgamedude12 yeah they are expensive. If you are just doing a couple builds should be fine. I was actually impressed with quality of the knock off brand.
@dorianleclair7390
3 жыл бұрын
I picked one up from wish for like 30 bucks. Has a sail to line up. Only thing i see is problem is that not one piece. Has large pin holding on stell barrel extension. Rest is aluminum. Have done 2 builds and has held up so far.
@Danefrak
2 жыл бұрын
Cringe
@hellraiserrec19
2 жыл бұрын
I'm assuming the geissele version can be used with 556 rifles/pistols other than AR's as well?
@jeffw.5462
3 жыл бұрын
Most excellent video with some great insights. Thanks!
@mycoolD
2 жыл бұрын
Anybody know which would be the correct fit for a patriot ordinance factory 308 revolution .... they claim its a ar15 reciever and bolt . So I'm thinking ar10 308 size won't fit????
@IamKemosabe
4 жыл бұрын
Does the Mid West rod work with 300 Blk specifically Sig Rattler?
@montanaplease
27 күн бұрын
Midwest one is sold out 100% everywhere.
@bgp2133
Жыл бұрын
Will any of those work with AR15 PCC?
@mikeq7096
Жыл бұрын
what I cant find is if the roods are caliber specific or just specific for the extension site. I am looking to build a 6mm ARC but not sure if the rod in ar15 size will work..
@caclayton2007
3 жыл бұрын
Would you recommend a urr or a clamshell vice block or a magpul bev block or a barrel block for removing a seized barrel nut
@twoleftfeetpodcast9996
4 жыл бұрын
What do you think about the NO-M.A.R AR15 VISE BLOCKS???
@4g63mark
4 жыл бұрын
Great video. I'm glad to learn of that Midwest rod. I'll definitely be upgrading my Geissele
@shawnmurray7232
3 жыл бұрын
Wish I had found this before I bought my 2 Brownell's torque rods... Even at twice the price of the Brownells version, I can definitely see the advantage of the Midwest rod. Guess I know two things I'll be getting with my tax refund....
@r.mercado9737
Жыл бұрын
Outstanding! Semper Fi
@ncrawford1488
3 жыл бұрын
Excellent content.
@thegreatshitstain
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you x100 for this video. Far too many people out there getting drunk off the Geissele kool-aid. It amazes me how even some gunsmiths don't understand the exact phenomena you've demonstrated here.
@lukeclement1310
2 жыл бұрын
Awesome video
@DrCap24
2 жыл бұрын
What’s the length of the flat area on the Midwest urr. Thanks for your time.
@pepperjack-ue7dc
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir ...
@UncleDanBand64
4 жыл бұрын
Good video! I have been meaning to get one. Thanks for the recommendations👍🇺🇸
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