My motto is this if I find it fun and enjoyable it's not a waste of time it's entertainment The entire purpose is too have fun
@Kyosika
2 жыл бұрын
I agree! As long as there is enough variety to excite a player then sure :)
@davidiswhat
2 жыл бұрын
You may hear people complaining about getting lost after boosting but you don't ever hear about the people quitting the game while leveling. You'll be surprised how many MMORPG players can handle a boost in another MMORPG. In that respect, it's very respectful of their time to be given that option.
@Kyosika
2 жыл бұрын
Yes! That's my point at 9:26!
@simonic2063
Жыл бұрын
This is me. One of my biggest issues with MMORPGs is suffering through the leveling process. Most of the time, I just quit at some point during leveling. Especially if it's a game I've already completed at least once. It's made worse with anti-"casual" systems (ie. no dungeon/group finder, etc). Recently I've been trying to level a Paladin for Wrath classic...and I've gone from 20-30 in a week...because I can't stand doing more than 5-10 quests in a sitting. All so I can run some dungeons/raids at max level. So once again, looking at unsubbing.
@Kyosika
2 жыл бұрын
When I was creating this video, I wanted to talk about endless gear treadmills and time gated events. However, when I started writing the script for this video, I found some annoyances when leveling in other MMO's. Mostly about repetitiveness of certain tasks while you journey to max level. Let me know what you think!
@Lucas-mp5dw
2 жыл бұрын
here i am after getting to t3 in lost ark, with three alts in t1-t2, and realising i'll be doing the same thing at least 3 hours a day for months without any dopamine hit in my brain, only to get some fun in 10% of the content. fuck it i'm leaving.
@Kyosika
2 жыл бұрын
Endless treadmills. Escape while you can!
@PolarShine_
Жыл бұрын
An example of an MMO wasting your time is when crafting takes a long time in game vs when crafting is automatically completed. A player shouldn't be bored waiting for bars to fill
@Kyosika
Жыл бұрын
I agree!
@jackdavidsen6074
Жыл бұрын
I agree with everything you said in this video. I'm also quickly getting to like Guild Wars 2 the best. On the noteof getting lvl 80 boosts: I started playing BDO a short while ago and was given two of these lvl 80 boosts. I think the intention is for you to use them when you've leveled normally and start up alts, and they give you two boosts, not one, because they know some people may use a boost right away, and they'll most likely regret it - unless they're very MMO savvy and are able to make the transition from one MMO to another, new one, without the need to go through the whole leveling procedure - so they can start over and still have a boost for when it's actually useful. For this very reason they place the boosts in the one of the two account-wise slots where you can use it for not your first character, but for a later alt. You can argue that there's no reason to give new players boosts with their very first character, but I think it's part of a philosophy that gives the player as much freedom to choose how to play their game as possible, to not tell you what you are allowed to do when. Thank you for making these awesome videos. I really enjoy watching your content. :)
@Kyosika
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your comment Jack! I do agree. More coming soon! No need to worry!
@AlbertoMonroy-lq2vw
Жыл бұрын
I love the mention of the "Otter Player" :)
@Kyosika
Жыл бұрын
OTTERS ARE GREAT
@AlbertoMonroy-lq2vw
Жыл бұрын
@@Kyosika Loved the video, by the way, keep up the good work!
@CBZero
Жыл бұрын
Nice video. Keep it up!
@Kyosika
Жыл бұрын
Thanks, will do!
@Nilvarcus
Жыл бұрын
MMORPGs are about doing 99% of boring stuff just for 1% of fun. This was acceptable back in the day when I was able to play for more than 16 hours a day, but nowadays I won't play your game if it isn't fun from the get-go.
@Kyosika
Жыл бұрын
Exactly that haha! I wish I could go back to those days. Now I struggle to get a few hours a week in!
@vandeno8126
Жыл бұрын
Nice video. But FF14 did not grab me. I was burned out just after post RRB and didn’t bother resubscribing. I also didn’t like getting new skills then doing a dungeon then not being able to use my new skills.
@Kyosika
Жыл бұрын
I felt like a breath of fresh air... But it is also somewhat grindy!
@th0rne_999
Жыл бұрын
Regarding that "quitting point", the same can be said about Guild Wars. Towards Lvl 60 and then Lvl 70-80 especially, it gets kinda grindey for a bit. It's not as bad as other MMO's I've tried but it got me to the point of just doing a couple world bosses and then logging out for about a week to finally get to 80 with some level skips I got as free loot (the ones that give you a level below 80 or mastery above 80). I think this point is somewhat subjective because I've pushed past this before (for example I raid regularly in FF14, a game that's super boring in the base game) but I find Guild Wars to be kind of the same. One thing I particularly dislike is having to level about 5 levels in the open world between story events, when story still gives you good XP. Kind of takes away any momentum the already lackluster base game story has... But yeah, I'd say this is a subjective thing. And it's always easier to look back when you've reached endgame and say "that wasn't too bad, it was worth it". When you're the new player playing through those early stages you don't have that certainty. You wonder if this will be worth it in the end, or you'll just have wasted many hours on a game you'll never learn to love. So, some interesting points brought up, but I just had to type this out when I heard the phrase "modern MMOs like guild wars" xD RIGHT.
@Kyosika
Жыл бұрын
You have a fair point! Although I feel you can quickly get through that point in Guild Wars since it has that horizontal progression line. This means you will get through those levels as fast as, for example, 40 to 50.
@beakyfree7023
Жыл бұрын
It's all in the mind, if you can find an escape or enjoyment in this type of game, it's worth it. But every mmo I played essentially had 60+hours of tutorial. The promise of a game somewhere in the horizon. To me, the mmo is esoteric in that few people make it far enough to really play the game, and by that point it's become a lifestyle. That's commitment. I've spent similar amounts of time playing far simpler games, and felt far happier doing so.
@Kyosika
Жыл бұрын
Oh yeah, I do agree with that. If you play an MMO you can't really judge it after 10-15 hours of playing, something you can do with a singleplayer game. However, if it takes you hundreds of hours to get to the fun part... then yeah... I'm sure that the game's design is flawed!
@beakyfree7023
Жыл бұрын
@@Kyosika Absolutely, that's how you know, the consumer isn't prioritized as much as the asset of their addiction to the product.
@HarmonyOfTheVoice
2 жыл бұрын
I just quit runescape to better focus on my degree and because i cant take the mindless gear race and uninspiring game design. Same shit over and over and over again with a different skin. Its been more than 20 years, its time to innovate mmos to have more emergent gameplay that makes you think an adapt and not just feel like youre doing stuff just cause you have to do them to progress and still do the same crap later
@Kyosika
2 жыл бұрын
I think 'innovate' is the keyword here! I do agree bud! Thanks for sharing
@docmar42011
Жыл бұрын
I use to play mmos all the time and just can’t get back into them. Just seems like majority of mmos take no skill to do 95% of content.
@Kyosika
Жыл бұрын
I feel some of your concern. Sometimes it feels that you are just doing chores.
@cfjlkfsjf
2 жыл бұрын
It's a waste of time when you don't get your real life shit sorted out because you just play a video game all day every day.
@Kyosika
2 жыл бұрын
I do 100% agree. I seem to get much more 'relaxation' if you can call it that from an MMO after work. When I was studying I could play for hours on end!
@lucasterable
2 жыл бұрын
The broader question being: "is escapism a waste of time?" or "is leisure a waste of time?"
@Kyosika
2 жыл бұрын
Good one. Leisure is not a waste of time. Everyone needs that! However, is leisure walking back and forth mindlessly. Does that give you satisfaction after your session?
@Yujitame
Жыл бұрын
Well I regret spending around 800H of FFXIV... Total waste of time when I think about it
@Kyosika
Жыл бұрын
I've just started FFXIV again! Got any tips? Do you still like it? I'm still on the trial mode.
@Unapologeticweeb
2 жыл бұрын
So based on your defenition of a waste of time gw2 is the least of a waste given that most content like pvp dungeons crafting etc are open from as low as level 3
@Kyosika
2 жыл бұрын
I think Final Fantasy 14 does pretty well too. However, I haven't played too much of that yet to give a clear review. Also, RuneScape does well since it requires minimal input and it allows you to do other things in between!
@dymonz2363
2 жыл бұрын
And this is where NFTs would fit in the future of gaming.. Own your assets that you gathered or crafted in the game.. not the publisher or developer.. Look at how much money is spend on microtransactions... If you own a skin a game that you dont even like, you should be able to sell it for real money to another player.. doesnt really matter if the trade happens with actual real money or ingame money, as long as you can exchange them legally..
@Kyosika
2 жыл бұрын
You have a fair point. Especially selling the skin! I think you can already do that in DotA2 for example!
@Trufflemonk
4 ай бұрын
Obviously yes
@Kyosika
4 ай бұрын
Best time waster :P
@davidiswhat
2 жыл бұрын
5:40 even back when I had spare time, I hated leveling in Gw2. I probably would've quit if I didn't boost. The leveling process will always tend to feel like a tutorial/easy mode in most games so I feel like allowing boosts is fine. Also, in Gw2 endgame is entire elite specs which may not have much relation to the core class gameplay they've been doing their entire leveling process. I would rather start playing the elite spec I will be playing with the entire time during endgame. Gw2 also scales you down to the content so you have that option.
@Kyosika
2 жыл бұрын
That makes sense. You are not at fault. The early game should be made more exciting to you! But that's my opinion!
@KILLRXNOEVIRUS
2 жыл бұрын
Bruh a game should stay fun always.. if at any point it's not fun it's clearly garbage. If a game is boring for more then 30 minutes game shouldn't exist.
@Kyosika
2 жыл бұрын
I the general sense, yes. But if you had to do ONE annoying quest, would you quit because of it?
@joeljohnson9371
2 жыл бұрын
@@Kyosika I like to picture it as a piece of moldy cheese, you have one patch which has gone bad but the rest is still fresh for the time being. You can choose to eat the fresh part, but just knowing that a part of the cheese is bad may make you want to avoid eating it altogether. Kind of like questing in MMOs, you're grinding the same content each day regardless, you deserve to enjoy it for the effort you put in. But if an area doesn't reward you well or makes you do mindnumbing tasks, then you'll likely question what the point of continuing to play is. I've seen some great MMOs turn into a shell of their former selves because the developers just aren't passionate about the game play, only the money milking
@robgrubb420
2 жыл бұрын
100% but all entertainment is a time waste.
@Kyosika
2 жыл бұрын
Well yes, but you want to feel refreshed right? If it's all chores I'll start cleaning the house right away! :)
@fredozm
2 жыл бұрын
Mmo's are virtual worlds with players having virtual life's in them. My real life right now is exciting, I go to gym, I date girls, I work out and study to get knowledge, I conquer more properties and even think of ways to help other people. Mmo's? I kill ...boars...for a lot...a fucking lot of time....to get....a XP bar....to get a new level....for the 12325183737 time in my life ...bro, mmo's make me ask: "wtf I'm doing with my life?" Valorant, you get in, invest time, get ranks and knowledge in that game. League ? You get in, gain knowledge, get better ranks in the game Csgo? Same Real life talking? Same ASMR? Orgasms Sex? Same (knowledge and better rank) See the pattern? Mmo's don't know what to give to their players....and this is serious....just kidding, is just a bunch of games
@Kyosika
2 жыл бұрын
That's true, I workout 3 times a week, I do date too (believe it or not) and got a full time job. But the MMO is somewhere to escape to. Build something and get better each day. In most tournament games I feel like I'm winning, losing, winning, losing and did not progress at all.
@ghoullishogreman7043
2 жыл бұрын
if i make a game 1st player imma gona kick out are gona be lame excuse of player who demand the game to be fun all the time or player who complain the game is wasting their time cos unless a player can show me someone is pointing a gun on their back telling them to waste their time playing a game its not developers foult your not having fun. also no diversity bull shit in my game all those player instant kick and no lame game journalist fake ps if anybody is wasting time is us developer making a game for lame excuse for gamer of 2022 era
@Kyosika
2 жыл бұрын
100% fun should not be the goal! But holding a carrot in front of you, that you cannot reach because there is a gear treadmill or another weird mechanic is kind of mean. You want to set small goals for yourself!
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