Mother: "ooo ooo eee aaa" Son: "ah.... I see your point"
@louisrobertbrown
Жыл бұрын
Checkm8 atheists
@midiprog2266
Жыл бұрын
@@louisrobertbrown I'm sure it was your mother he was referring to. Glad that you saw her point, she must have been very proud of you.
@DeliMeatTree
Жыл бұрын
I like how you simplified evolution to prove that it's real...
@blake350z
Жыл бұрын
Man y’all are brain dead .
@mollygrace3068
Жыл бұрын
Any mother recognizes this is exactly how a son perceives any conversation with her.
@casmx7300
9 ай бұрын
I was having a conversation with my Uncle about evolution and I was baffled by his complete lack of understanding of how evolution worked. I tried to explain it to him and he simply couldn't wrap his head around just how gradual a process evolution is. I (think) I was finally able to get through to him a bit with this analogy. Imagine an Olympic sized swimming pool full of white paint. Now, with an eye-dropper, put in a single drop of black paint and mix it in with the white. The resulting color would be indistinguishable from what it was before the drop was added. My Uncle agreed with this. Now imagine doing this every single day. Day 1 won't look different at all. Two weeks wouldn't look any different at all. I mean, that would only be 14 tiny little drops of black in a figurative sea of white. But over the course of a year? Probably a slight difference. What about 100 years? Or 1000 years? It's going to be a completely different color than the white it started as. Once I explained it to him like this, he seemed to finally grasp a bit of how evolution works, not that he was going to change his opinions about it though.
@svyatoyaleksnevskiy
9 ай бұрын
I love this analogy. I might have to use it one day 👍
@iamdanielmonroe
9 ай бұрын
Right! I don't think most people can fully grasp just how long a few million years is. The process takes place over a time scale that we have no real point of reference for. Another way could be to highlight even the distinction between how different populations evolved based on environments they were living in. Certain traits led to more success than others in a given environment and the ones whose traits did not provide advantages did not survive or had significantly lower chances of success in those environments. Evolution is like a chronological filter for genetic and environmental fitness. The traits that pass through get passed on. But again this is a very slow process that often takes millennia to even begin to have any noticable effect within species.
@1milWithout1is0
9 ай бұрын
Okay but how then is the change benefitial? If it takes hundred's of thousands of generations to change wouldn't the stressor causing the change logically just annihilate the creature that's evolving? Or be errelevant by the time the adaptation finally manifested itself? I.E. turtles with no shells get eaten, they develop tougher and tougher skin, it won't be a shell for millions and millions of years, and this doesn't actually protect them or stop them from getting eaten yet, hundreds of thousands of generations somehow still survive long enough to grow shells and be a viable species. And their predators do what for all of this time just agree to not eat all of them until they have shells? Does the animal kingdom have some sort of Geneva convention they follow that tells them they can't eat a species into extinction?
@SuspiciousFrog69
8 ай бұрын
Haven’t read the Bible yet but I’ve read many other ancient scripts. No where in the Bible does it mention anything about evolution from a quick google search. Only that god gave the option for man to choose to be conscious. Science really doesn’t explain a lot of the weird stuff on earth. Pyramids dug underneath that’s are many tens of thousands of years old, 9 ft tall skeletons of giants, how Aztecs had knowledge of modern astrology when they haven’t invented the wheel, pyramid shape formations on the moon, etc.
@svyatoyaleksnevskiy
8 ай бұрын
@@SuspiciousFrog69 Science doesn't have an explanation for most of those things because they are hoaxes. The Aztecs studied astronomy (I think that's the word you're looking for) the same way everyone else studied astronomy: by noticing and recording patterns.
@laggytim
Жыл бұрын
I like the simplistic" french is decent from Latin but there was never a point where a Latin mother gave birth to a french baby but you couldn't draw a line sayin this is french and this is Latin"
@mood5598
Жыл бұрын
That's the silly argument. I'll double you another argument that might help you if you're arguing with s retard. "You can say a pancake is a cake, but you can't say it gave birth to cupcake" lol
@DnBComplex
Жыл бұрын
As a language lover I agree.
@SamD.GOAT0326
Жыл бұрын
Im assuming English isnt your first language. . .
@shabless81
Жыл бұрын
@@SamD.GOAT0326Why? Was their comment hard for you to fallow?
@lanesmith1465
Жыл бұрын
Linguist do it all the time.
@hc4138
8 ай бұрын
I genuinely do not understand how, after a literal century, Christians still come up with the question, "why is there no monkeys giving birth to humans". They're actively trying to ignore the mechanism of evolution for their narrative at this point 😂
@J040PL7
8 ай бұрын
Evolution is a theory more dar fetched than creating a human out of mud. What's easier to rationalise, a human made out of mud or a fish that turns into a lizzard that turns into a monkey that turns into a human? You require more faith than I do 🤷 And no, drawing squigly lines between all those species doesn't prove anything, I can draw squigly lines too.
@d.esanchez3351
8 ай бұрын
I still don't understand why after 400 years people say the inquisition killed Galilei just to hold a narrative. Dude was literally friend with the Pope (and some of his works were actually wrong. Not the earth thing but the moon thing). People never double check things :/
@hc4138
8 ай бұрын
@d.esanchez3351 literally no atheist seriously invested in the cause thinks that way. He wasn't executed nor was he imprisoned but was exiled in his home and everyone accepts this. And Alex OConnor, the owner of the channel you are commenting on, literally acknowledges this in his own video from when he was a university student. No one's deceiving anyone regarding this issue; it's more of a result of laziness of some people but they're never taken seriously. Very unliked Young Earth creationists who come up with genuinely scientifically ignorant arguments that are taken VERY seriously.
@IanM-id8or
7 ай бұрын
@@d.esanchez3351 Yes indeed. The church didn't kill Galileo Galilei. They just imprisoned him and forced him to recant because they figured the truth disagreed with their doctrine. Not the same thing at all. People - including you - never double check things
@gvngbvngiggy
7 ай бұрын
Nah theyre just incredibly stupid. As evidenced by them being christians in the first place.
@mjewell95
Жыл бұрын
This is certainly a huge problem for biblical literalists. As a Lutheran pastor who believes in evolution and sees the Genesis creation myths as allegorical (more about God’s creative character in the world than literal details), I don’t feel snagged on this. Love this channel! Always good food for thought. Edit: with the Fundies now entering the chat and making things increasingly disrespectful, I won’t be responding further. A huge thanks to those who engaged thoughtfully with me. Peace to all ☮️
@jannetteberends8730
Жыл бұрын
That is how I also learned it in religion lesson more than 50 years ago on my Protestant highschool in The Netherlands. The teacher told us to read genesis as a poem. At that time there were probably 2 people in the church community left who still took the Bible literally, and they disappeared later to the black stockings church (= right orthodox Protestants)
@veritasdeutsch6608
Жыл бұрын
an actual Christian would reasonably go by the original intent of the original author's work. But this can be hard to figure out. Especially if the work is more than 2000 years old
@mjewell95
Жыл бұрын
@@veritasdeutsch6608 right! Original intent is virtually irretrievable, though not impossible to think about. And then we have the fact that there are two creation stories in Genesis that are extremely different and come from what we think are separate traditions. That's why an allegorical interpretation makes the most sense to me.
@veritasdeutsch6608
Жыл бұрын
@@mjewell95 you are one of the pastors closest to the current scientific consensus that I've encountered, mad respect for that ✅
@Espadasilenciosa
Жыл бұрын
It's a problem even for some non-literalist christians as long as they have a "animals don't have soul nor go to heaven" dogma... like Catholicism.
@BandiGetOffTheRoof
Жыл бұрын
The more you get away from religion, the crazier it looks.
@lout160
Жыл бұрын
In Holy Communion, we receive Jesus Christ, who gives Himself to us in His body, blood, soul, and divinity. This intimate union with Christ both signifies and strengthens our union with Him and His Church. Then after deconstructing and actually thinking about it, people praying to turn bread and wine to flesh and blood so they can cannibalize their idol might be a bit insane.
@BandiGetOffTheRoof
Жыл бұрын
@@lout160 ...when I attended a Catholic Church, I didnt know the secret handshake so they wouldn't let me enjoy that experience...haha
@lout160
Жыл бұрын
@@BandiGetOffTheRoof Yeah, I was indoctrinated into the Orthodox church so I got a free pass. Outsiders could come to service but weren't allowed to role play as zombies with us until they understood how "meaningful" and "profound" the game was.
@benvids
Жыл бұрын
After a while the atheist world starts to look worse.
@petepayette6690
Жыл бұрын
The futher u get from god The closer to HELL u get
@daniellittlewood8471
Жыл бұрын
To be fair, we have that problem too with species classification. At some point you have to start calling homo erectus homo sapiens, and there's no magic point at which that happens.
@withlessAsbestos
Жыл бұрын
Ironically in Christianity there is a specific point when we can say they became truly human. In Genesis 2 God breathed his spirit into mankind.
@lordfreizaa4013
Жыл бұрын
@@withlessAsbestos the text in no way and under no acceptable study has what you are claiming been deduced. Its purely your interpretation of the story to fit your own nattative
@withlessAsbestos
Жыл бұрын
@@lordfreizaa4013 all I said was that, according to Genesis 2, man came to life when god breathed into him… How is that not supported by the text?
@lordfreizaa4013
Жыл бұрын
@@withlessAsbestos the text in no way indicates that the breath of life was given at some during our evolutionary process. The breath of life is described is the force that created humans peiord
@LiamSmith-z4d
Жыл бұрын
*homo heidelbergenses is probably in between erectus and sapiens but point taken. The thing is, with speciation that's not really a problem, just nuance. The reason sapiens is considered a new species was because at some point it and other populations of hominids presumably could not regularly create viable offspring together. That's it. Of course it happens in matters of degrees with sort of subspecies and hybridization and all of that, but none of that contradicts the idea of evolution. Biology and archaeology just try to describe the world. They don't claim that Homo Sapiens is a full moral being responsible for it's fate in the afterlife and Homo Heidelbergenses isn't.
@coffeetalk924
10 ай бұрын
Balaam's talking donkey doesn't even qualify, and he spoke perfect Hebrew 🤣
@Ramoreira86
9 ай бұрын
I laughed too hard at this
@coffeetalk924
9 ай бұрын
@@Ramoreira86Eddie Murphy (donkey from Shrek) 🤣
@OneOverPi
Жыл бұрын
I dislike when he says "ape-like", as humans are apes, so we do look like them - because we are them.
@mrfancyshmancy
9 ай бұрын
No we aren't. We are ape-like. Apes and humans have a common ape like ancestors but humans are not apes.
@OneOverPi
9 ай бұрын
@@mrfancyshmancy Ape. Noun. Any of various tailless Old World primates of the superfamily Hominoidea, including gibbons, orangutans, gorillas, chimpanzees, and humans. This is the scientifically accepted definition.
@IloveUraniumSoMuch
9 ай бұрын
@@mrfancyshmancyyes we are.
@JangoBlader
8 ай бұрын
@@IloveUraniumSoMuchthen why are we the only ape or animal that can literally leave the planet. That's pretty crazy isn't it
@IloveUraniumSoMuch
8 ай бұрын
@@JangoBlader That doesnt mean anything. We're just really smart apes
@yj29885
Жыл бұрын
In Islam, previous 'creations' that were also subject to morality are mentioned
@jamesthompson9003
Жыл бұрын
Which non-humans are subject to moral laws?
@khaledthescumbag5484
8 ай бұрын
@@jamesthompson9003Jinn
@joelrobertsonmusic
11 ай бұрын
Evolution used to be the “big bad problem” I was taught as a Christian. I now consider myself an evolutionary creationist and I’m pretty dumbfounded that I ever thought it was an issue. This isn’t a new perspective either. From the beginning, there’s been plenty of church father who didn’t read Genesis literally or as an actual account of creation. I like listening to your content Alex but I feel this is one area you could expand your knowledge around. Inspiring Philosophy would be a great guest for you if you haven’t already spoken with him.
@romanpreuss3489
10 ай бұрын
I think you didnt understand the point of Alex correctly, its more complex than the simple contradiction of evolution and the book Genesis that can be solved by not taking the book genesis literally. His point is that the fact, that we humans were not seperatly created from animals but that we evolved from them, makes the entire christian doctrine somewhat illogical.
@nathanrobbins7668
8 ай бұрын
@@romanpreuss3489not really? All we believe is different between us and animals is that we are made in the image of God. What that means exactly is somewhat debated, maybe it means we have high intellectual capacity, but it probably refers to our capacity for morality. The simple fact that morality is also objective, supplies ample reason to take it to mean this is the case. So while we are technically biologically animals, we have certain characteristics that make us special, especially in God’s eyes
@romanpreuss3489
8 ай бұрын
@@nathanrobbins7668 I do understand that believe, but there are still many odd things about it that make it seem to be untrue (atleast to me). 1. The point Alex made, that somewhere must have been an extremly big step from animal to human where the child was subject of moral law and qualified for eternal live but its parents were not. 2. Why should a benevolent and loving God use such a cruel process as evolution for his creation? Its very hard to even imagine a life creating process that causes more suffering evolution with the natural selection and stuff. 3. Why is there a false story about the creation of the world and the life on it instead of the evolution in the bible? Its already highly suspicious to me that God apparently decided to communicate with us via a book instead of just sending down signs or angels from the sky or something. But knowing that the Bible contains so many false informations and presents them as facts makes the entire book unreliable.
@nathanrobbins7668
8 ай бұрын
@@romanpreuss3489 1. Yeah it’s a weird thought that one set of humans all of a sudden became consciously aware of right and wrong but I think that doesn’t discount the fact that it could have happened, as I believe it did. 2. It’s a great question, honestly I don’t know if I could give an answer sufficient to shut it down, however I think that God operates through natural processes, with some exceptions such as the resurrection of Jesus. I don’t know if there is a more “loving” natural way to bring about evolution. It certainly seems hard to imagine one 3. First of all, angels did come down to speak to humans. Secondly, the Bible does not contain any blatantly wrong “facts” that can’t be explained by any theologian or historian who knows how to properly read the text.
@romanpreuss3489
8 ай бұрын
@@nathanrobbins76681. Yeah thats true, its odd but not necessarily impossible. Therefore it doesnt debunk your believe, but it raises the suspicion that it might be untrue. 2. According to the Bibel God is omnibenevolent and omnipotent, so he would and should be able to use a less harmfull way to bring life into creation. The fact that he uses evolution contradicts this description of Gods character. 3. Yes according to the Bible God did send down angels and even talked directly to humans. But apperently he stopped doing that for some reason almost 2000 years ago, we coulnd witness those events nor could find solid evidence that those events ever happend. We cant just listen and talk to God or his angels, we can only read the Bible and hope that its informations are true and that we understood them correctly. And no, infact the Bibel does contain blatanly wrong facts, for example it claims that king Herodes was still alive- and Quirinius was already the governor of Syria during the time of the birth of Jesus christ. However King Herodes already died in the year 4 BC and Quirinius became the governor of syria in 6-7 AD. And again why is the evolution and other scientific knowledge missing in the bible? The only scientific knowledge that the bible contains is knowledge that people of that time already had and alot of methaphors.
@charliehands5266
8 ай бұрын
Evolution totally debunks religion, which is why they don't like it
@sebastiannolte1201
8 ай бұрын
How does evolution debunks "religion" in general? It can only debunk a certain belief.
@survivalizer
Жыл бұрын
It may cause problems but it doesnt cause that problem because they just reject that theory outright
@quandilustenbinguslorsodo1501
Жыл бұрын
No we don't, that's just historically inaccurate
@samuellatu3123
Жыл бұрын
Fun fact Charles Darwin’s wife was a catholic. But I am Christian and I do believe that evolution is real, I grew up believing science and religion can work together.
@david-468
Жыл бұрын
Darwin was also funded by the British government to prove evolution is true and say that’s why white people are superior, but you evolutionist brainwashed sheep don’t ever actually read the work you talk about
@tp230
Жыл бұрын
Sorry but how is this a fun fact?
@chesterdonnelly1212
Жыл бұрын
You can have both if you don't try to argue against science, or try to do some Jordan Peterson gobbledygook. Rather keep religion as a moral, spiritual and cultural thing.
@NeutralMjolkHotel
Жыл бұрын
@@tp230Because of Darwin’s role in evolutionary science, which presents issues to the creation story.
@tp230
Жыл бұрын
@@NeutralMjolkHotel First of all, Darwin's wife was never a catholic, she belonged to the Unitarian church. Second of all, I fail to see how Charles Darwin's having a Christian wife would be of interest considering that the great majority living in England in the 19th century were Christians too. Finally, if we're talking about Catholicism, the Catholic church nowadays holds no position on the theory of Evolution and many studies show that Catholics are more likely to believe in the Theory of Evolution than Protestants. It would have been a fun fact had Darwin's wife not been a Christian. Her being one is not surprising at all, hence I wonder how it qualifies as a fun fact.
@briggy4359
Жыл бұрын
Christian here, and you're totally correct. Evolution contradicts Christianity.
@GoofyAhOklahoma
Жыл бұрын
Yep. I'm a Christian, and while I believe in the big bang, evolution is definitely contradictory to the Bible.
@briggy4359
Жыл бұрын
@GoofyAhOklahoma same. I don't think age of the earth is relevant to the discussion either.
@GoofyAhOklahoma
Жыл бұрын
@@briggy4359 It's not, you're right, but some people think that if you agree with one stereotypical creationist belief, then you believe all creationist beliefs. Just because I think evolution has a flimsy foundation does not mean I reject an old universe. If God wants to create the universe instantly, in six days, or in fourteen billion years, then so what? He's literally an eternal, timeless being. Eons mean nothing to Him.
@JustMe-wo8lg
Жыл бұрын
@@GoofyAhOklahoma "or in fourteen billion years, then so what? " - Then the bible is wrong. Evolution's foundation is not flimsy btw.
@GoofyAhOklahoma
Жыл бұрын
@@JustMe-wo8lg How is the Bible wrong if the universe is fourteen billion years old? It never says how old the universe is. Secondly, yeah, it kind of is flimsy. The only reason many people accept it as fact is because it is the only explanation for complex life that doesn't involve a higher power. It's similar to how people accept abiogenesis as fact even though scientists still have no idea how it could have happened.
@zachdavenport8509
Жыл бұрын
I don't disagree with the point being made, but "seems strange" isn't my issue. That's not a solid criteria for truth. My theological concert with evolution is that it requires death and disease before the fall of Man, but death is regularly presented as a result of sin throughout scripture. Gavin Ortlund solves this by positing that Satan's fall corrupted creation, God specifically reversed this for humans (perhaps through the tree of life) and then the fall reintroduced corruption and death. My problem there is not that it seems weird, but that it asserts a lot without evidential or biblical foundation.
@sharathsh9987
Жыл бұрын
Is the biblical foundation required for evolution?
@zachdavenport8509
Жыл бұрын
@@sharathsh9987 it is not required for evolution, but in my opinion it is for specific beliefs about angelic fall theology. But as a Christian, I have trouble believing something if it seems to be in conflict with Scripture. So it's not that evolution needs a biblical foundation, but for me it needs to accord with Scripture.
@sharathsh9987
Жыл бұрын
@zachdavenport8509 "...I have trouble believing something if it seems to be in conflict with Scripture." There's a lot of things that conflict with the Bible, and it seems impossible to follow. It just seems a little silly to base your beliefs on what is probably the most edited book out there, but whatever floats your boat, I guess. At least we agree that evolution doesn't require any biblical foundation.
@chocopuddingcup83
Жыл бұрын
You don't disagree with the point being made, but in the same breath you then try to reconcile it to keep your holy book. THAT is what's strange.
@Pro-j4q
Жыл бұрын
Why is in 300,000 years of homo sapiens and in the millions of testimonies (cave paintings, religious artefacts, early scriptures, etc) NOT a single time a "one and only god YHWH" mentined befire the biblical time? First time this god is ever mentioned is around 3500 years ago. So he is quite a late invention.
@Tyler_W
Жыл бұрын
Correction: Evolution presents a problem for those with one particular perspective within the much broader scope of Christianity. Has nobody ever heard of theistic evolution? Fun fact: There were Christian saints and prominent forefathers even over 1500 years ago who said that the idea that the earth was only about 6k years old was ridiculous and that it's equally ridiculous to take the creation stories in Genesis as a straightforward literal history like we'd read in an encyclopedia, a news story, or history textbook because that's not the literary style in which the early passages of Genesis were written. They're true within the Christian orthodox worldview, but there's more than one way for something to be true. It's an explicitly symbolic narrative on the face of it. "Adam" "literally" means "man," and "Eve" "literally" means "life," "to give life," or "giver of life." The basic idea of evolution is simply not a real issue for most of Christianity. Therefore, evolution being a thing is not a good argument against the validity of Christianity.
@miyu545
10 ай бұрын
Theist evolution simply means that we created god through an evolution of ignorance.
@jackweaver1846
10 ай бұрын
I think you’re looking at it too narrowly. Yes, evolution only conflicts with a literal interpretation of the Bible, but can be believed by those who are not fundamentalists. However, that is the crux of the issue. If some parts of the Bible are literal and others are figurative, then how can one identify which is which? Is it up to personal preference? If it is, then it’s not a very good model for seeking the truth, as each person is entitled to their own “truth.”
@orthopillednorwegian
10 ай бұрын
@@jackweaver1846No, it is not impossible to find out what the bible says. There is something called "exegesis". + The most famous church fathers specifically didn't take Genesis literally.
@jackweaver1846
10 ай бұрын
@@orthopillednorwegian yes I understand that you can read the Bible critically. That’s doesn’t mean that you can determine beyond any doubt which parts are literal vs figurative. You can have your own interpretation or be convinced by others’ interpretations, but they’re still only interpretations. You can’t test whether your interpretation is right, nor can you use your interpretation to predict the outcome of some test. You only have the option to believe what you do and have faith that you are right. To me, this isn’t an effective or realistic way of gaining knowledge about the universe or my place in it.
@brianmesser12
9 ай бұрын
Show any proof of your god?
@barryallencoffee
10 ай бұрын
Man created god the second it became aware of death
@jayden8636
8 ай бұрын
prove it
@d.esanchez3351
8 ай бұрын
Nah dude hold on. I can assure you that funerals and stuff are way before that. Also spirits got firsts. Then named spirits and then like full on gods. I tell you this as a Christian historian dude XD our God shows up waaaaaay after death became a thing.
@Bossman21D
7 ай бұрын
Don’t be fooled, you’re going to destroy yourself with this ideology. It isn’t true, you’re believing these scientists when they are liars! They hate God and they are smarter than you so they can trick you if you don’t necessarily want to believe in God too. Never forget, atheists are the ones being fooled.
@Oshikno-oo5hp
7 ай бұрын
@@jayden8636he can’t prove it. But you can definitely prove a 2000 year old skydaddy who you talk to in your mind but doesn’t exist
@nevin8604
7 ай бұрын
Animals understand what death is they also are aware of when death might come for them. Have you seen them going to a church? No because they lack consciousness which is what makes it clear that God exists
@rhyzily5289
10 ай бұрын
Woah!!!! Ive thought about evolution and religion ALOT and never had that thought! Brilliant!
@Genarii
10 ай бұрын
It's basically the Ship of Theseus, in a slightly altered form. Same "at what point" problem.
@rleriche5044
8 ай бұрын
not quite the same
@christiangraulau8107
Жыл бұрын
As an atheist I think the garden of Eden story is a pretty good allegory for the evolution of moral reasoning
@TheLoneMitten
Жыл бұрын
Or women inventing agriculture
@GuyTato
11 ай бұрын
Thank you! As a Christian most of us schooled and informed don’t hold to this as a creationist proof.
@jamesc3505
9 ай бұрын
I don't see that myself. Could you elaborate?
@christiangraulau8107
9 ай бұрын
@@jamesc3505 Basically, without moral reasoning there is no sense of right or wrong. Organisms just do whatever strategy helps them survive or reproduce without worrying about if it’s “moral”. Predators eat other animals, and coercive sexual behaviors are observed in a variety of species for example. In the evolution of our species, there must have been some point in time where moral reasoning went from not being present to being present, and that’s when we realized that some of our behavioral tendencies were “bad” despite being present in our nature, leading us on a mission to try to remove those aspects of ourselves. In terms of the garden of Eden, you can think of the initial creation of Adam and Eve as a stage without moral reasoning, and then once they bit the fruit they developed moral reasoning (knowledge of good and evil). However, with the development of knowledge of good and evil comes accountability for evil, leading to them being kicked out of the garden. In a stage before moral reasoning, no one would have known any better, meaning it wouldn’t have been fair to condemn anyone. You can basically call the “garden” an initial stage of peace that exists from not knowing the difference between right and wrong, which we can now only return to by deprogramming evil from the gene pool, which is way easier said than done.
@jamesc3505
9 ай бұрын
@@christiangraulau8107: "In terms of the garden of Eden, you can think of the initial creation of Adam and Eve as a stage without moral reasoning, and then once they bit the fruit they developed moral reasoning (knowledge of good and evil). However, with the development of knowledge of good and evil comes accountability for evil, leading to them being kicked out of the garden." OK, I see. The way I read it, being kicked out of the garden wasn't Adam and Eve being held accountable for things they did after acquiring moral reasoning, it was a punishment for acquiring moral reasoning itself. To me, the story seems to paint moral reasoning as a bad thing, and blind obedience as a good thing. I didn't find it very appealing. It's more palatable the way you read it.
@micahjones6763
Ай бұрын
I would love to see you talk w billy Carson about his more literal interpretations of the stories of antiquity and there meanings/implications. Would be very fascinating
@stevemeisternomic
Жыл бұрын
The problem I have with evolution is that people accept it without asking questions. No one dares to ask that if science is correct and the timescale is true, then the current reality we are experiencing is impossible.
@JustMe-wo8lg
Жыл бұрын
And why would the 'current reality' be impossible?
@stevemeisternomic
Жыл бұрын
@@JustMe-wo8lg the first multi cellular lifeforms only came into being not that long ago compared to the age of the earth. The time of mammalian lifeforms is even shorter. The time needed to form an entirely new species that is not backwards compatible with the parent species is too long. To have the diversity we have at present doesn't match what the theory of evolution. It doesn't add up. I forgot to mention that time and random mutations would have a completely different outcome from what we can see. If you take God out of the equation then you have a directionless world. A purposeless world. A pointless one. Yes creatures would have desires, needs and wants, but so what? Who cares? If you die, you die. Your entire species can die. What does it matter? But that is not reality. If you need a bigger dick, a bigger dick will be granted to you. If you need sharper teeth, sharper teeth is granted to you. This is not the outcome of directionless mutation.
@Diviance
Жыл бұрын
@@stevemeisternomic For the average person, there isn't much of a need to ask questions about it because it simply isn't really all that useful to know in the real world. As long as you know it happened you are pretty good to go.
@wsmc723
Жыл бұрын
Your joking right? Scientists have continued to question evolution and the result has been to solidify the reality of it. You must be confusing it with religion where your taught not to question it because it’s the final word of a god and there’s no need to doubt it.
@JustMe-wo8lg
Жыл бұрын
@@stevemeisternomic "To have the diversity we have at present doesn't match what the theory of evolution." - Except that it does. " I forgot to mention that time and random mutations would have a completely different outcome from what we can see." - Nope, you are forgetting about selection. "If you take God out of the equation then you have a directionless world. A purposeless world." - also know as reality. "If you die, you die. Your entire species can die. What does it matter?" - That while you were alive, you lived your best live and made it the best for those around you. "If you need a bigger dick, a bigger dick will be granted to you. If you need sharper teeth, sharper teeth is granted to you." - LOL.....What?????? That is not how it works at all.
@th3h3llblax
Жыл бұрын
Does someone have a link or the name of the evolution chart show? It looks amazing
@GottfriedLeibnizYT
Жыл бұрын
Type in Google image: "Evogeneao: The Tree of Life"
@BDnevernind
Жыл бұрын
Search: tree of life Leonard eisenberg
@krioni86sa
Жыл бұрын
i downloaded one from phub
@dma8657
Жыл бұрын
Not what you asked about, but I recommend you look at some material from Aron Ra about phylogenetics and common ancestors. He has done a LOT of work and the science really shows.
@AtheistReligionIsCancer
Жыл бұрын
@@dma8657 According to atheist religion, What is wrong about torture? Should we ask TORTURE METHODS USED BY THE CHEKA (1924)
@Stuffinround
Жыл бұрын
Wait but, his only argument against the sudden rationalisation of humanity is that it quote “sounds kind of strange”. You don’t have to come to that conclusion given the evidence.
@SEK.7
Жыл бұрын
The Atheist doesn't really have much to offer, only much to reject.
@googelybear
6 ай бұрын
I'm baffled by the number of christians completely ignoring what is being said or just not understanding it. This is not a question of whether you believe in evolution or not (whatever that seems to mean to you). This is about an inevitable consequence of "believing" in evolution. One that doesn't seem to land. The point is that a line would have to be made and that the parent of the child would be pretty much indistinguishable in cognitive ability from its parent. There would be no leap from one to the next. That's the point. Now you can reason that away by saying God makes the rules so it is of no importance, but the number of people flat out ignoring what is being said tells me otherwise.
@Mericaa47
Жыл бұрын
It wasn't arbitrary. Once people evolved to be intelligent enough to understand God, he chose them as the representatives of him on Earth, and thus they had the responsibility that came with that and were in the image of God.
@facelessdrone
Жыл бұрын
Yeah? And at what point in time were they intelligent enough to be gods chosen creatures? Because right now on earth elephants dolphins, and corvids are all creatures that display consciousness of their own minds and bodies and communicate within their own species complexly... how is it that they are not intelligent enough? When they literally have languages and cultures?
@filip1261
Жыл бұрын
Where does it say that in the bible. What about Adam and Eve?
@brianmi40
11 ай бұрын
making things up just to rationalize your view isn't dealing in reality. Nothing you said is reflected in Genesis, which is a complete fabrication since we KNOW we evolved from a common ancestor with apes. You don't even understand that "in the image of god" is ludicrous. No one claims god is made of just flesh and blood, nor even looks like us, or walks and talks. If so, you wouldn't go around claiming "we can't see him". Like most all, you've simply decided what you want to believe, then rationalized it, and cherry pick what parts of the bible you want to believe, ignoring all the HORRIBLE stuff in it, like slavery.
@Mericaa47
11 ай бұрын
@brianmi40 Genesis is compatible with the theory of evolution and that we share an ancestor with apes. You don't even understand what Image of God means. It's not literally looking like God it's being representatives of him on Earth (Image bearers) Also I don't cherrypick the Bible at all stop strawmanning and actually listen to what Christians say about these texts.
@RidetheGeoffening
9 ай бұрын
So our image is of australapiths then ? That right ?
@JeffreyGregory-os2yy
Жыл бұрын
I mean the cognitive revolution (not the 1950s one but the one that happened 50000 years ago-ish) seems to be a pretty fine line in which Christians can claim when we really became humans. Before that things such as gossip, flexible language, religion, abstract ideas and art didn’t really exist for humans. Most of the people I have seen that have studied this have said it happened rapidly. Some researchers also say this was when we learned we were going to die which is a pretty unique part of being a human.
@raptor-pm3it
Жыл бұрын
Still it didn't happen over one generation. We can estimate the general time period when this rapid shift happened, as you explain, but it's impossible to determine a single generation when that shift happens, because it doesn't exist.
@JeffreyGregory-os2yy
Жыл бұрын
@@raptor-pm3it Well we don't know if it happened over one generation or not because we don't have phsycology tests for homo sapiens that have been dead for over 50000 years, but the consensus of anthropologists is that our brain was set up for this sort of modern human cognition and one day it clicked. And while there is debate on when this took place I don't think it matters whether it happened in one generation or not. It's what I, a Christian, would argue when humans were given the image of God. The time when this "click" happened.
@randomusername2761
Ай бұрын
He's raised a good objection, but I wouldn't say that Alex's description of what would need to take place under theistic evolution before the fall is accurate. It's more as if, at the point where humanity can rationally comprehend God and sin is the point where God implants His grace in humanity. It is entirely plausible that intelligence in prehistoric humans would vary between the parents and offspring (as would often happen simply by randomness, not purely development) such that, for two people, although with different parents, they can then be given a fully free choice to accept or reject it. Additionally, the fact that, because biological organisms were not created immortal, but rather were offered that through supernatural grace, doesn't mean that animals less intelligent than humans can't ever be offered eternal life. It rather means that they can't be offered eternal life through their own doing, because they are not intelligent enough to bear moral responsibility for their actions. If God had created animals immortal, however, humanity would not be able to eat them where necessary. This does not preclude the possibility of them later being compensated. Suppose Adam had not sinned, then the grace given to him could have carried to all other animals just as eternal life could well be offered to other animals (we just don't know, however).
@metatron5199
2 күн бұрын
Hahahahaha well put! Just found your work and love it! Keep up the great work! Cheers
@GoToLiturgy
Жыл бұрын
Except for the part where you forgot God formed Adam out of the ground…. Also you really believe that Hindu legend about shapeshifting monkeys?
@gdmathguy
Жыл бұрын
1. That's analogy just makes it worse because that is disproven by our fossile record. 2. He is athiest, not hindu
@GoToLiturgy
Жыл бұрын
@@gdmathguy 1.) the analogy is horrible and it hasn’t been disproven in fact it’s been proven… what do we need to live? Minerals…. trace amounts but still. 2.) evolution started as a Hindu myth
@gdmathguy
Жыл бұрын
@@GoToLiturgy Do you know what Homo-Erectus is? It's the fossile that shows an animal that's juuust between humans and our common ancestor. If god really made humans, he wouldn't have made them in such a shape that gave them a huge risk of extinction before they could even start doing anything. Oh and would you know it, evolution perfectly describes it. 2. No it wasn't and even IF it was, we have already moved way past that. We have gathered millions of evidences and changed our concept of evolution to such a robust extent that to still think of it as some mythology from a religion is wrong
@GoToLiturgy
Жыл бұрын
@@gdmathguy Most likely a cross breed between man and monkey Still a Hindu legend… imagine believing monkeys have shapeshifting powers
@colelehner8948
Жыл бұрын
@@GoToLiturgyyou are mental pal evolution is not a hindu myth 😂 its a scientific consensus and it is a fact like gravity and we have a theory of both to try and understand how they both work but theory or not it is observable fact
@sittingbull7445
Жыл бұрын
The cambrian explosion is a significant problem for evolution
@StrikerEureka13
Жыл бұрын
No, it isn't whatsoever
@elhijodelaconserje
Жыл бұрын
Yes it is, actually, the main problem with evolution is how something can be created out of nothing and how inorganic matter can create organic matter against the laws of thermodynamics@@StrikerEureka13
@theflyingdutchguy9870
11 ай бұрын
how did you figure that? a lot of great examples actually came out of it. and it shows how quickly it can happen
@sebastiannolte1201
8 ай бұрын
You know that this "explosion" was still a period of 5 to 10 million years?
@jimmymelonseed4068
Жыл бұрын
I think evolution is just how we perceive God’s creation through the lens of time. For God, he made all of space and time in one eternally present moment, but we’ve been experiencing that creation one day at a time. So to him, the boundaries between species are quite clear, like looking at the surface of a pool. But to us, we’re like the water molecules wondering where the surface starts/stops
@gnomishviking3013
Жыл бұрын
Then certainly wasted a lot of species over millions of years just for Homo sapiens. What about other homo species that came before us and loved along side Homo sapiens? Gods love and judgment didn’t apply to them?
@lennonkelly-james2693
Жыл бұрын
We can observe evolution. There is no evidence of a god. The problem with religious people is they state what they believe as a fact even though they have no evidence for what they claim while also demanding evidence from people who believe in anything different to them which is hypocrisy.
@Pro-j4q
Жыл бұрын
Why is in 300,000 years of homo sapiens and in the millions of testimonies (cave paintings, religious artefacts, early scriptures, etc) NOT a single time a "one and only god YHWH" mentined befire the biblical time? First time this god is ever mentioned is around 3500 years ago. So he is quite a late invention.
@gnomishviking3013
Жыл бұрын
@@Pro-j4q Christian’s love to ignore the fact that there was lots of religions prior to Christianity and pretty much everything had been done before in other cults. Jesus wasn’t the first god to be crucified. Mary wasn’t the first person to get impregnated by a god. Wasn’t the first religion with a flood story. So on and so forth.
@Pro-j4q
Жыл бұрын
@@gnomishviking3013 You are right. The worst is when they then argue : but its written in the bible (a book that is not older than 3500 years) that our god created the world at the beginning. Isnt there a name for that wrong thinking and conclusion?
@pattube
7 ай бұрын
From a theistic perspective: 1. One problem is that there are secular evolutionary scientists who highly skeptical about the mainstream scientific model for neo-Darwinism (e.g. Denis Noble at Oxford University, James Shapiro at the University of Chicago). 2. The modern synthesis is gradually being replaced by the extended evolutionary synthesis of which there are many models which seek to replace the mainstream neo-Darwinian paradigm espoused by scientists like Richard Dawkins and Jerry Coyne. 3. Of course, none of this means Christianity is true. Only that our current understanding of evolution has significant holes, but scientists are either trying to plug these holes, or replace the entire sinking ship with a new one. 4. Regarding Christians on the origins of Adam and Eve, Alex does raise one possibility that Christians like William Lane Craig have argued for (e.g. his book In Quest of the Historical Adam). However, many other Christians have serious reservations about Craig's proposal, and wouldn't argue for it. So, at best, Alex's criticism may torpedo what Christians like Craig have argued, but not necessarily other positions on the origins of Adam and Eve proffered by Christians.
@killerwal4387
7 ай бұрын
That has nothing to do with plugging any holes, its just that we keep finding stuff out. Same reason why the original Darwinism was updated and isnt fully true on its own, because we found stuff out that he didnt know about. Then we found even more stuff out, and so on. None of the new facts contradict the theory itself though, its just additional information that is still very much in favour. Its not a sinking ship thats being stuffed, its a ship that is being loaded with more and more cargo. None of the new evidence meant any doubt against evolution, so i dont see what your point is here. As appose to the bible, of course. In that case, new evidence very much functions as evidence against it, so theists try to explain their faulty facts with science, aka pretty much exactly your metaphor. (Like evolution, for example.) As for other scientists, thats not an argument at all. There are scientists who believe the earth is flat too. The vast majority stills agree with evolution, and there still isnt any evidence against it.
@cheatcodes6969
8 ай бұрын
I am a christian and I also believe in evolution.
@tanmaykand1167
8 ай бұрын
Bro I am just become a chirtian from hindu. I wasn't satisfied with the pagan beliefs so I left it. Can you say how can I be a chirtian and believe in evolution too ??
@TheLilRussia
8 ай бұрын
@@tanmaykand1167 Wow, glad to hear you have accepted Jesus as your savior. 😊 There is no problem in accepting the evidence for evolution and believing in Jesus. Because Christianity is about Jesus and he never said you have to believe in the literal seven day creation. But he doesn't wants us to be fighting about if evolution is true. He just wants you to trust him and getting to know him better. If you want to know more about Genesis I recommend you watch InspiringPhilosophy. He has a playlist about Genesis 1-11. God bless you.
@ga6589
8 ай бұрын
@@tanmaykand1167 Why couldn't an all-powerful supernatural god use evolution?
@JohnCane147
8 ай бұрын
Belief is just for things that are not real, like gods
@Justin-ew5qv
7 ай бұрын
@@tanmaykand1167I have an answer for you, but you may not like it. It's called "doublethink".
@joshsinclair539
Жыл бұрын
If we evolved from all those things. Shouldn’t there be fossils to back it up?
@JustMe-wo8lg
Жыл бұрын
Luckily there are loads of them.
@ampiireliz
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for that question they should also explain why we have very many languages
@JustMe-wo8lg
Жыл бұрын
@@ampiireliz well that is easy. Languages tend to diverge when groups of people are isolated from each other and converge when they are not. For most of history groups of people were largely isolated from each other and thus formed their own languages.
@LiamSmith-z4d
Жыл бұрын
@@ampiirelizI mean we can see the creation of new languages in history. That's not really that mysterious. People used to speak Latin in what is now Spain, Portugal, France, Italy etc. And at one point they could have all understood eachother. Then over the course of several hundreds of years of relative isolation the Latin of these places evolved to the point of no longer being mutually intelligible. Not just because of foreign insertions but also mostly just because the Latin parts of the language changed over time. Languages constantly change, words change their pronunciation and meaning and new words are generated. Within a community everyone sort of goes through these changes together and continues understanding eachother, but if two communities are isolated the changes will be different and will compound until you have different dialects and eventually different languages. But really, even if we can't explain something because we admit we don't evidence, and you say you can explain with an untestable hypothesis, that doesn't mean you are right.
@SlayingSin
Жыл бұрын
@@JustMe-wo8lgthere aren't. That's why the concept of this "missing link" theory exist. There is quite literally, and rather ironically, 0 evidence to support the theory of evolution. All of the evidence points to God.
@sammyvandenburg
Жыл бұрын
This guy is imagining problems that do not exist. The struggle with evolution is a distant memory from the 2000s.
@khill8645
Жыл бұрын
The infighting amongst 'metaphorical reading' believers and fundamentalist believers _in this very comment section_ shows that debate isn't quite as dead as you imply
@danieljoseph2617
Жыл бұрын
Evolution has been debunked already
@romanpreuss3489
10 ай бұрын
@@danieljoseph2617no its not, stop spreading nonsense
@danieljoseph2617
10 ай бұрын
@romanpreuss3489 spreading nonsense is the one that speaks with no knowledge. Go and see for yourself as Charles Darwin gets absolutely shit on with real facts and science.
@scottm4975
9 ай бұрын
@@romanpreuss3489oh, has anyone proven evolution? Or is it still just a theory?
@mckaylapaddock9319
8 ай бұрын
I love the language analogy to explain the gradual gradient of evolution. Modern Italian evolved gradually over time from Latin. The languages are definitely distinct, an Italian speaker today couldn't understand a ancient Latin speaker, even though their are still similarities. But at no point did Latin speaking parents raise a child that inexplicably spoke Italian. Each generation changed the language gradually until it eventually became so different that it couldn't be called the same language. That's how humans came to be. No non human gave birth to a human. But eventually the descendants of those non-human apes were so distinct, we decided to classify then as humans, but when enough changes accumulates enough to make that distinction significant is highly debatable.
@shriyanmaharaj8562
10 ай бұрын
One day everyone will just read their holy books as interesting primitive fairy tales. Will be a good day indeed.
@phoenixnight9237
9 ай бұрын
Think of the lore implications. I already kind of did that as a child; and it was interesting. I think all of the cool rituals and stuff for Christianity are gone, so that's probably the best thing the world will get out of it.
@sutrisno6270
8 ай бұрын
lets hope you are right bro, cause with all the attacks from outside and inside in christianity for 2000++ years keep them strong
@FatMadt666
Жыл бұрын
I still say the parasitoid wasp, et al is proof against a creator. If I'm wrong, that means the creator is on par with Pinhead.
@mjfullente3359
Жыл бұрын
The problem in Christian believers is they see Evolution as Pokemons
@quandilustenbinguslorsodo1501
Жыл бұрын
Not true 😂
@svyatoyaleksnevskiy
Жыл бұрын
@@quandilustenbinguslorsodo1501 A large number of Christians, especially in America, absolutely think of evolution in that way.
@loba7373
9 ай бұрын
@svyatoyaleksnevskiy if u use America as example of Christian intelligence you've already dug urself a hole
@svyatoyaleksnevskiy
9 ай бұрын
@@loba7373 I think you ought to reread this comment thread.
@tomlabooks3263
10 ай бұрын
Erm… no. The resurrection of the dead at the end of times is a doctrine that applies to the saved souls. No one who lived before Christ is saved, with only a few very specific exceptions.
@doobydootoo
Жыл бұрын
God created man in his image
@jeffreyhearn8930
Жыл бұрын
Prove it....
@doobydootoo
Жыл бұрын
@jeffreyhearn8930 no that's not the point
@jamesthompson9003
Жыл бұрын
@@doobydootoo So how many generations ago did the the first human (created in the image of God) evolve? Did your God just choose an arbitrary time for the first homo-sapiens or first homo-erectus to be the first 'created in his image', whereas the parents of that great ape were not? Also 40-50k years ago, there were bi-species homo-sapiens/neanderthals, were they made it in the image of God? All people of Asian or European decent have some Neanderthal genes from 40k+ years back, whereas Africans have none - so are Africans slightly more created in the image of God?
@doobydootoo
Жыл бұрын
@jamesthompson9003 why don't you ask God yourself?
@johnchambers9836
11 ай бұрын
So God is a semi evolved member of the ape family?
@CAVEDATA
10 ай бұрын
Ive stood next to a chimpanzee..
@cursedcat6467
9 ай бұрын
Lucky it didnt tear you apart
@santiagoabliterature
Жыл бұрын
Coming up: christians saying youve read the bible incorrectly. If the bible is just metaphorical, everything loses meaning
@noi5emaker
Жыл бұрын
Exactly. So WHICH parts are allegorical? I never figured that one out!
@thefarmking9924
Жыл бұрын
The obvious ones like I am the living waters no one says jesus us water
@MilitantAntiAtheism
Жыл бұрын
According to atheist religion, What is wrong about slavery? Should we ask stalin?
@santiagoabliterature
Жыл бұрын
@@MilitantAntiAtheism according to religions, what is wrong about sacrificing your son to god?
@MilitantAntiAtheism
Жыл бұрын
@@santiagoabliterature In any atheist regime, it's normal for family member to sacrifice family member by reporting them to the state for any made up crime. Atheist religion is very explicit, when it comes to family: There is no family, only atheist religion. And therefore, anyone is just titled comrade. A pdf file atheist is not allowed to use the word mom or dad. Never. Because the state is mom and dad. Should we ask people who survived atheist regimes about family?
@etienne_laforet
Жыл бұрын
Your "problem" only exists if you assume that “eternal life” is only promised to humans of a certain level of development. However, this is not Judeo-Christian belief. Rather, salvation affects ALL creation. That's why Isaiah 65, 17 and 25 says: “See, I will create new heavens and a new earth. ... The wolf and the lamb will feed together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox, and dust will be the serpent’s food. They will neither harm nor destroy on all my holy mountain," says the Lord...
@jujjuj7676
Жыл бұрын
It all comes down to education and lack of it creates ignorence = belief in nonsense. 😊
@aidoal
Жыл бұрын
Lots of highly educated people are Christians
@Osafune2
9 ай бұрын
I believed in, and studied evolution for a long time. It’s nowhere close to scientifically watertight and contains huge holes. Evolution is presupposed, and all evidence is shoehorned into that model, and any problems are ignored. It is the philosophy of antichrist
@frankgamez9808
Жыл бұрын
He needs to talk to Stephen Meyer
@elhijodelaconserje
Жыл бұрын
Or Dr. James Tour.
@johnchambers9836
11 ай бұрын
This guy would destroy them
@frankgamez9808
11 ай бұрын
@@johnchambers9836 a KZitemr would destroy two trained scientists?
@nebbyscumbold
10 ай бұрын
He needs to grow up a bit and come back and sound snotty, sit on posh chairs and air his conceit when he's actually experienced a bit more of life.
@johnchambers9836
10 ай бұрын
@frankgamez9808 he is a trained scientist and theologist And no actual scientist believes in creationism
@antagonisticalex401
Жыл бұрын
Take a fish. Change one tiny detail about it. It doesn't even have to be noticeable to the fish itself. Just as tiny of a permanent change as you can think. That new fish is like a child of the original fish, the second generation. Keep doing this again and again, changing only the MOST MINUTE things with each generation. Trust me when I say that if you do this for hundreds of billions of times, you WILL NOT notice when you got a human in your hands. All those 200 billion tiny chamges accumulated can list out ALL tje differences between any two organisms. We dont even NEED a clear line on this spectrum to explain tbis difference.
@shredder9536
Жыл бұрын
So at what stage did Gills turn into lungs 😂
@raptor-pm3it
Жыл бұрын
@@shredder9536Never, it was a gradual change, gills never turned into lungs at one point it took millions of yesrs to go from gill to lung by out current definition
@shredder9536
Жыл бұрын
@@raptor-pm3it eventually a lung has to come from non being to being. It can't be gradual. You can't have 50% of a lung. It's either a lung or it isn't
@raptor-pm3it
Жыл бұрын
@@shredder9536 Nope youve misunderstood evolution. By gradually, I mean from simple to complex. Respiratory organs started as a simple structure that could only take up a small amount of oxygen and release a small amount of carbon dioxide, but it was still more effective than solely performing gaseous exchange through the skin, which is what made it advantageous and selected for in the gene pool of the population. Over time it would become more and more effective through natural selection. There was never half a lung, just a less effective lung. Evolution is all about optimization.
@shredder9536
Жыл бұрын
@@raptor-pm3it a less effective lung is still a lung. You already have a lung. No matter how you try to word it you can't get around this point. It goes from non being to being. It's either a lung or its not.
@danh945
7 ай бұрын
There are lots of intelligent people, and there are lots of good talkers, but the combination of the two is quite a rare thing. I'm impressed by both your thought process and your ability to explain it.
@slickfandango7915
11 ай бұрын
ive just been reading through these comments and my god these christians talk some gibberish.
@davidreinker5600
Жыл бұрын
"There's no point at which a chimpanzee stood next to a human". Did I hear that right?
@machonacho0075
Жыл бұрын
He means that there is no super clear cut line between what one would consider animal or human
@davidreinker5600
Жыл бұрын
@@machonacho0075 I think he probably means there are many transitional stages between chimpanzees and humans, but it comes out wrong since chimpanzees and humans coexist.
@santiagoospina8942
Жыл бұрын
@@davidreinker5600bruh
@halloweenjean
Жыл бұрын
it’s pretty obvious what he meant surely you didn’t miss the point entirely or just wanna be nitpicky?
@AtheistReligionIsCancer
Жыл бұрын
@@halloweenjean According to atheist religion, What is wrong about pdfilia? Should we ask Drag queen story hour?
@brandongovreau9218
Жыл бұрын
I'm a Christian who believes God created evolution
@OzkanArac
11 ай бұрын
God was playing duck, duck, goose. I mean, monkey monkey, man.
@CNJ787
9 ай бұрын
Evolution causes a lot of problems for not only christianity but also all other religions which believes in a creator.
@DC-rb3uz
9 ай бұрын
True...
@wasserFREH
Жыл бұрын
Religion doesn't tend to make sense
@AbcDef-jh7rw
Жыл бұрын
As a muslim. I dont see why one could believe god created the entire universe but couldn't put the human spirit into an ape like being. I mean if that sounds irrational to you try reasoning where the universe comes from. From nowhere it suddenly existed? That sound way more silly to me
@robinharwood5044
Жыл бұрын
But your own religion says that the universe popped out of nowhere. God said كُن فَيَكُونُ. “Be, and it is “. Out of nowhere. I don’t know whether the universe came from anywhere. I suspect it always existed, but I don’t know.
@arcader54tdbank55
Жыл бұрын
I'm muslim and I don't understand what ur saying. Do you believe in evolution or did i misunderstand ur comment?
@sananton2821
8 ай бұрын
Who cares what sounds silly to you? You don't know anything about cosmology.
@Potatoman3132
9 ай бұрын
Evolution leaves just as many questions as Christianity. The problem is evolution can’t answer them.
@jamesc3505
9 ай бұрын
If the problem is why is there intelligent life, and your solution is that there was an even more intelligent life that created the intelligent life we see, then you haven't solved the problem, you've just created a bigger problem.
@Potatoman3132
9 ай бұрын
@@jamesc3505 That’s what I said. Both leave the same amount of questions of “well where did that come from”. However it is more reasonable to stop at God who created everything than to stop at a cell billions of years ago. I heard it once like this. The law of causation says everything that has a beginning has a cause. And something cannot cause itself. So if the universe is time space matter whatever created the universe must be timeless immaterial and spaceless. Evolution if you keep going back, you just get simpler and simpler things that are in time space and matter. However if you look at it from there is a god standpoint, then when you go back and back your cause is outside of time space and matter meaning it is able to cause the universe.
@jamesc3505
9 ай бұрын
@@Potatoman3132: Oh, sorry, when you said "The problem is evolution can’t answer them.", I assumed you were implying that Christianity could. But in any case, while I don't think evolutionary science has all the answers right now, and quite possibly never will, I think it's made a start, by breaking down the problem into smaller problems. Intelligent design, I think, just makes the problem worse, because instead of having us intelligent, but flawed, humans to explain, now you've got a perfect god to explain. As to suggesting that something existing forever stretching back infinitely into the past is more plausible than an infinite series of different things existing forever stretching back infinitely into the past, I personally don't buy it. I think it's an infinite regress either way. But I'll accept it for the sake of argument. Let's say that there must have been something that existed forever that can create universes. I think it's more likely to be a multiverse creating random universes than a perfect god with the intelligence to fine tune a universe, because I think a perfect god would be too complex to exist uncaused.
@Potatoman3132
9 ай бұрын
@@jamesc3505 Thanks for being respectful and I have one question: If there are infinite universes, does that remove the need for a beginning of those infinite universes?
@jamesc3505
9 ай бұрын
@@Potatoman3132: Sorry, not quite sure what you mean. By "infinite universes" do you mean an infinite number of universes, or universes that extend infinitely into the past? And by a beginning of them, do you mean they each have their own beginning, or they all begin from the same cause?
@twoonthewall
8 ай бұрын
"Evolution causes a lot of problems for Christianity" is his contention, and he would like to argue that which he thinks they believe.
@fordcannon4294
Жыл бұрын
The fall of man in one video
@BigBlackCorvette
Жыл бұрын
Christians: But muh Buybull!
@Phlegethon
10 ай бұрын
Can’t believe in 2023 people still need to argue whether Christianity is just some fairy tale
@Osafune2
9 ай бұрын
I know, Orthodox Christianity is so clearly true. Imagine having a worldview which provides zero justification for your own presuppositions, that’s Gaytheism
@davidgillies620
11 ай бұрын
The Sorites paradox is why we have bright line distinctions in law e.g. how you change in an instant from a minor to an adult.
@jameshale6401
11 ай бұрын
On paper is the only place ape turns to man Toilet paper Aka b.s paper
@roguecalvinist
Жыл бұрын
I love how he presents darwinian evolution as if there's observable evidence for it
@bobowon5450
Жыл бұрын
It is observable and there is evidence for it. You can observe evolution is species that have a short life span like bugs and bacteria. It's harder to see in long lived species like humans and other large animals just because we don't live long enough to see major changes.
@aiya5777
Жыл бұрын
@@bobowon5450 Time, is always the Hero of the plot. and we're just insignificant supporting characters
@tristanmisja
Жыл бұрын
It has been observed, in the wild, in simulations, and in labs. You can fairly easily observe it yourself. If you want you can set up an experiment with fruit flies where you can observe evolution yourself. I'll happily give more detail if you're interested.
@elhijodelaconserje
Жыл бұрын
@@tristanmisja I would like to see that
@gavinbolton9551
Жыл бұрын
There is direct observation of Darwinian evolution. Island dwarfism, island gigantism, Darwin’s finches, the fossil record in its entirety, synapomorphies, extinct hominids, rapid evolution of microorganisms, scientific observations of contemporary speciation events, etc. I could literally go on and on. You have no idea what your taking about.
@caezar55
8 ай бұрын
Ironically there never was a first human. Every child ever born is same species as it's parents. It just happened so so gradually that eventually humans were what was walking around.
@Socrates3001
9 ай бұрын
@CosmicSkeptic According to whom. Most Christian religions have no problem with evolution. Yes, SOME do have a belief against evolution, not the majority. What is presented here is simply a bigoted habit of lumping several groups of people to be the same. The bible does not give us mechanical details of how God did anything, only the reasons for doing it. The Bible is a road map to heaven, not a stereo manual.
@YingGuoRen
8 ай бұрын
That is not true. Most Christians are young earth creationists and only a small minority accept evolution. Theistic evolution is a fringe view.
@Socrates3001
8 ай бұрын
@@YingGuoRen It's the opposite. Young earthers are a recent development in religious history. I know that the Catholic and Orthodox Churches do not adhere to it. They make up the vast majority of Christians around the world. Here is a link to put it in perspective: kzitem.info/news/bejne/s4KZtIh3omJ0qmk
@YingGuoRen
8 ай бұрын
@@Socrates3001 The Catholic and Orthodox churches take no official stance on evolution, but do require that their adherents believe in the existence of Adam and Eve. 34% of American Catholics do not believe in evolution, and in Eastern Europe, the stronghold of Orthodoxy, the numbers range from about 25% to over 50%, and that’s the society in general, not just Christians. So, no, I disagree. Statistics consistently indicate that somewhere between a third and half of Catholic and Orthodox Christians do not accept evolution, which is typically indicative of young earth creationism. Among Protestants, the number is even higher.
@FoxyJohn
9 ай бұрын
He said intents and purposes. He’ll always be single. Many people choose that. He has no choice.
@dancingfrogsxb1276
9 ай бұрын
I think this explanation is fantastically worded, and a good way to show a Christian or evolution denyer exactly what must have happened and we are actually all a part of the same tree just very distant twigs ❤
@memecity9849
Жыл бұрын
This is why i always say that religion, mortality, and even rights are man made.
@the-ambivalent-orthographer
7 ай бұрын
Oh my God, what a ridiculous thing to say 😅 It's like what a bot would come out with when you feed it randomly related words, and it has no idea how incoherent it's argument is. This is embarrassing.
@patches2654
5 ай бұрын
Evolution is an undebunkable proven fact and you simply just cant comprehend it and dont understand it. Ignorance isn't proof against anything. Look into evolution and debunk it using the scientific method. You cant, not just because you wouldnt understand how, but because you would in turn prove Evolution to be true
@johnycache
5 ай бұрын
@@patches2654 You are an unwitting pawn, at best, for the eugenicists wishing to wipe you out. Your comment is ridiculous.
@Tomyum19
7 ай бұрын
I don’t think evolution causes any problems for Christianity.
@Curious_Mind7-7-7
7 ай бұрын
Same, i think we should be generous with the genesis interpretation Its a creation account from thousands of years ago, we dont know how moses received it or how he experienced it I don’t know how a man can begin to capture creation, especially from thousands of years ago in an ancient language if he really did receive it. As christian who understands islam, i hold to the argument that our bible isnt perfect, and it doesnt have to be. It doesn’t claim to be the literal written word of god only inspired. My faith gets tested with atheists but i still trust in god.
@trev8615
9 ай бұрын
Forgive me if I'm thinking about this too superficially, but couldn't the line be drawn at some threshold of sapience. I understand it still may he subjected to the sororities paradox, but surely an all powerful being can delineate that properly?
@tanakanaoshi4769
9 ай бұрын
It causes certain points in certain literal interpretations.
@jhadow1869
8 ай бұрын
That is the reason why Evolution if not separated in micro and macro evolution make so much sense for the people without much knowledge. Humans and animals are the same and so different in many ways.
@foodforthought8874
7 ай бұрын
It could seem strange but thats what happens when someone is born. You eventually come to a point when you are rational and gain awareness
@Protestant_Paladin440
9 ай бұрын
What you're saying only partially makes sense to me. We have a lot of different species that evolved from one another. At some point, members of the same species get so different that you have to classify them as different species. I believe that it's up to God to define when a new species starts and to give said species a soul eligible for eternal life. The issue here is where you draw the line between Homo sapiens and every other species, which is a very blurry one. In the end it doesn't matter, because it's up to God to decide that, and it's not like we deserve eternal life anyway.
@romanalexanderg
7 ай бұрын
Dude gives christians too much credit.
@Ace_Bandido808
9 ай бұрын
The problem here is that he's thinking God gave us this body with this bilogy from the start. In the bible, it clearly states that we were not made with this body but we fell into it.
@StrikerEureka13
8 ай бұрын
But that is objectively false. We can prove that all life on Earth shares ancestors with each other, including us
@SteveDickman1
11 ай бұрын
Based on my studies of Catholic beliefs and Christian teachings, it is my belief that once Evolutionary Biology was accepted by the Vatican, this problem was explained as such: When humans became consciously aware of themselves and developed the mental faculties to create and communicate the concept of a god and practice communal worship, god recognized our species as special, as the culmination of his work through evolution. By being the only species to exist to have the mental capacity to recognize the possibility of a god who could have potentially created all things, he wanted us to know that we were an inevitability created in his image and gave us an explanation for existing.
@Riin_Rio
Жыл бұрын
Wow! I’ve read a heard a bazillion arguments pro and con Re original sin and the like but this is the first time I’ve heard this one. Very refreshing!
@tylerduncan5908
8 ай бұрын
Unfortunately there are a lot of christians that dont actually get evolution in the first place. I had to explain to a peer in my COLLEGE BIOLOGY CLASS how natural selection works.
@anubis9151
8 ай бұрын
I also love that that explanation of theists ignore that other animals also have consiences, that alone dismantles their points on how we're the special and unique ones and that the universe was made for our convenience and we're a one of a kind.
@etienne_laforet
7 ай бұрын
Note that not only we humans, the entire creation longs to be freed from suffering: “Creation is subject to transience - without its will, but through him who subjected it - but in hope; for creation will also become free from transience..." [Romans 8:19ff.]
@treeman5263
10 ай бұрын
Good point. This is why I want to study evolution as a Christian because there are people that believe in so from of evolution and god
@greg5145
10 ай бұрын
Putting words in god’s mouth and calling him a liar.
@perserverance333
8 ай бұрын
You don't know, you weren't there.
@bestseedever2104
Жыл бұрын
Science can never disprove god. For science is the study of god and his works. If there is a conflict to what we know for fact about god, and science, we are misunderstanding the science. Personally I believe evolution and the formation of earth. But neither disprove god and they will never disprove him. Got does not make contradictions. Humans do
@brianmi40
11 ай бұрын
You can EASILY disprove a god that is a LOGICAL CONTRADICTION. Such as, can god make an object even HE cannot move??? Logical contradiction. Thus, we KNOW it is also a logical contradiction that there is an All Loving god who ADVOCATES FOR SLAVERY: Leviticus 25:44-46 King James Version 44 Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids. 45 Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession. 46 And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever: but over your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with rigour.
@bestseedever2104
11 ай бұрын
@@brianmi40 yes, he can make that stone. And New Testament doesn’t apply too much modern day, Christ is all that matters. Nobody goes to the father except through him (John 14:6). Also, he loves those slaves, and their masters. His love is for all. Also that quote has some context to it and logic that you are overlooking. Now for the rock, god can not make a contradiction, like how he can’t deny himself, so he can’t make that rock. All of his infinite power can not make the impossible happen. The first sentence was just to make sure you actually read my comment
@experienceofchris1108
9 ай бұрын
I remember a huge step in me not believing what I was hearing was when I was in Sunday school andI asked about the dinosaurs and my Sunday school teacher said they didn’t exist. Mind you this man was also a DOCTOR and his brother was an astronaut (Charles Duke Apollo 11) so it is still baffling to me how a science oriented individual truly didn’t believe in dinosaurs and/or evolution
@metrab8901
9 ай бұрын
Evolution has had zero benefit or practical positive inpact on people's lives, Christianity gives hope and teaches rights
@Nazoto
9 ай бұрын
Christianity also caused a lot of suffering, wars and discrimination
@metrab8901
9 ай бұрын
@@Nazoto There were wars before Christianity, the sin of men is what Christianity fights, the sin of men causes wars.
@mirfielkeinnameein8496
9 ай бұрын
@@metrab8901 Alot of people use the bible as a basis for their hate on lgbtq members. idk were that gives hope...
@nathanielellis3457
11 ай бұрын
Geologist and Christian here. I cant help but see the parallels of genesis and evolution. Of course there isnt a direct scientific explanation portrayed by people before science existed about where we came from based on our current understanding but i find it strange how close genesis is to the scientific explanation despite our current understanding.
@JustMe-wo8lg
11 ай бұрын
LOL.....earth before the sun? Light before the sun? In fact, maybe you could point out what they got right?
@markb3786
11 ай бұрын
@@JustMe-wo8lg ouch!
@WilliamBruhhh
11 ай бұрын
As a Christian, I’ve never denied that humans evolved from fish. However, you’ve never actually proven such a thing. There’s many “missing links” to prove that such a theory is true. And considering that you’re a people that’s so hell bent on proof, and don’t get me wrong I respect that, I’d think you’d second guess calling something “true” considering the lack of evidence. If not, then you’re nothing more than us, “crazy believers”.
@JustMe-wo8lg
11 ай бұрын
The missing links haven't been missing for decades and DNA evidence alone is sufficient evidence even if we didn't have a single fossil.
@cheezman9180
8 ай бұрын
believing what he just said is not as crazy as believing there is no objective moral law from above. He even explained it pretty well.
@jacobparker1105
9 ай бұрын
Here’s one thing I’d say as a deist Christian (sounds like a contradiction I know!) Everyone that popular atheists like Alex debate are all sort of hard-liners, they’re always more orthodox in their beliefs. That’s why he so easily makes them look stupid. I believe that due to the infinite regression fallacy, the universe must have had a non-contingent being at some point, a ‘God’. I find it very unlikely that was the Catholic God, or any other religion’s for that matter. I then believe that the greatest thinkers throughout history, the predecessors to Alex let’s say, grounded their moral teachings in this higher power, “do what I tell you because God says so and you’ll be in trouble if you don’t.” It was the easiest way to popularise your ideas. I believe most religious scripture comes from this. Now obviously, that can be a malignant force too. But I’m willing to take the teachings of Jesus, set them in historical context, and ask “what are the moral lessons he was trying to teach?” I then use those to guide my own moral decisions. Would Jesus object to divorce today? I doubt it. I think he claimed that “God says don’t do it” because it was the fastest way to end the suffering of divorced and cast out women at the time. I read Islamic, Jewish and occasionally Hindu teachings occasionally, with a similar approach - what are the moral lessons? And I’m happy to go to Church each Sunday to reflect, to count my blessings, and to participate in the community aspect of it (I actually play the organ at my church so I feel like I positively impact the community through music.) Yes, I think Jesus was probably just a man who claimed relation to God to spread his ideas faster. Yes, I think whatever creator there is probably has no control in his creation, nor care or interest in it. I view God like a video game coder, one who hasn’t been back to his computer screen since. But I’m still willing to participate in religious tradition, for meditative, spiritual, moral reflecting and communitarian purposes. I’m not just going to go - “not true, so atheism!”
@Jelkin02
11 ай бұрын
More than happy for exactly the solution you posed to be the case. I don't think rationality is a particularly good proxy of the imago dei. But it fits comfortably with the biblical narrative for God to have seemingly arbitrarily chosen Adam over and above those around him.
@RussianOccupier190
Жыл бұрын
The evolution theory is called a theory for a reason and this guy is saying this like if it was an indisputable fact.
@JustMe-wo8lg
Жыл бұрын
Sigh.....another dummy who doesn't know what theory means in science. Look up theory and then look up scientific theory and compare the two.
@S.D.323
Жыл бұрын
Not what a theory is in science
@gagebrandon6421
8 ай бұрын
I think the concept of adam and eve being "shown a higher level of thought" (however you want to word that) makes sense. Not that ancestral members of the species were less sentient, but that humans were revealed something a bit higher in reality. The very thing we've been debating and changing for millenia upon millenia. Some form of higher state of being, which can be described aesthetically but not physically. Which religion is correct? Likely none. But they all are attempting to describe something apparently nearly every human shares. This perception of being a part of something more significant than perception shows. It seems to be something generally outside the mind, but at the same time existing throughout the self. We've been trying to identify it, describe it, and even though those with faith are fully invested in their own, they often dont see truth equally in other religions. You can't deny that there is something very significant about the mind and inherently existing. We are conditioned for the laws of the world around us and yet we are ALWAYS wrong, and we're unable to answer the question of how awareness works, yet we experience it always, and in other people. Something in reality is metaphysical and beyond us, yet a part of us and real.
@lonelyteapot858
Жыл бұрын
Not really an issue, you could easily argue that a god whether Christian or otherwise, set the universe on motion and kept it on the right track to certain things happening.
@Diviance
Жыл бұрын
It is a problem for Christianity because their holy texts says, very specifically, that it didn't happen. And yet we know it did.
@vancefelzer6539
7 ай бұрын
We as Christians would believe that Adam and Eve were the first humans with souls and that that gift was given to their offspring. God did draw the line. It's not that things before weren't human. It's that they didn't have souls.
@peterjones5254
10 ай бұрын
The gain of function, intervention, concept seems to also be a possible pathway for the great creator. Problem with that is when, how, why? Just a thought.
@greg5145
10 ай бұрын
Another problem is that you’re putting words in god’s mouth and calling him a liar with these claims.
@BubbaF0wpend
Жыл бұрын
If evolution didn't undermine biblical creationism, would creationists take the time to actually learn about it instead of feeding their confirmation bias via the Hovind/Ham/Comfort strawman version? Probably! It's only a problem for them to accept because it goes against what they want to be true, they have to strawman it to keep their belief strong.
@Ludovicus1769
Жыл бұрын
What is to say that God creating humanity wasn’t a gradual procedure, just like evolution? Most Christians are no longer fundamentalists, so your point doesn’t exactly make much sense. That being said, fair video.
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