How do you think this episode handled Autism? Do you think I said enough? Do you want me to talk about other episodes from this show other than 'End of Innocence' and 'Bebe'?
@connorthompson8376
Жыл бұрын
Without bothering to go back and edit my previous comments, I do want to acknowledge that you actually covered some of what I was talking about. Thank you for acknowledging the Looney Tunes level of absurdity that this show uses for its comedy, and thank you for acknowledging that Oscar and Trudy were not considering their daughter as much as they should have. I think my points still stand within the context of the series, but there is always room for improvement. I do hope the creative team is watching these conversations.
@mileslugo6430
Жыл бұрын
It was alright for the season it could've been a 2 parter easily. the first part could be about Bebe getting into fun places and perhaps philanderizing the disease a bit and the 2nd part could be the reality of how the family reacted about it. It could've included Cece and the Trudy 2. The first episode could've ended with the family visiting Dr. Pain and Oscar could've taken offense thinking that they were disparaging Bebe's ability and even had a retrospective of how his childhood was perhaps having grown up undiagnosed with autism. That's how they did it in a bunch of Childhood learning disability episodes. I've even had moments like that with my father where he's thought he could've been diagnosed with ADHD when he was younger, if born later. My parents went through pains to get an accurate diagnosis when I was younger; even taking me to an institute to have my brain scanned and they could have tried reaching for second opinions.
@tenshi.kurama
Жыл бұрын
Making your kids babysit their other kids is called "Parentification" and its is considered child abuse upon penny, she could have had CPS called on her parents but thats an extreme I know her as a character would never do or threaten to do but she can stand up to her parents and say no. Her siblings are NOT HER KIDS
@kingyoshi5160
Жыл бұрын
You suck I love that show
@itsblitz4437
Жыл бұрын
Definitely try End of Innocence. But I am also hoping you look into the episode about the taking down the statue.
@PlanetZoidstar
Жыл бұрын
"I'm an insufferable SJW stereotype. I am entitled to Privilege" ~ Maya (if the writers were honest)
@shannonmcelroy8454
Жыл бұрын
I'm sure she and John Redcorn would have a lot to talk about with each other.
@ComradeRagdoll
Жыл бұрын
Social Justice Warriors are Fucking Shammy Justice Warriors!
@NPC-nn4qe
Жыл бұрын
@@shannonmcelroy8454 LOL
@arthas640
11 ай бұрын
She really is. I thought she was kind of a bitch from the start, I saw episode 1 way before i saw anything else in the series (watched it and got distracted, went back months later and started again from ep 1) and even then I found her insufferable and thought she'd end up an antagonist and thought we were supposed to root against her. Then i read a bit about some of the episodes before i got past episode 1 and when i found out she had gay interracial adopted parents I got a pit in my stomach because I knew she'd be written like we should be rooting for her but with her personality I knew that wasnt going to happen in reality. She's too woke for the right wing conservative types, too bitchy for the left wing progressives, and too preachy for either. It's almost impressive how she's united pretty much everyone against her.
@zinc35yago
11 ай бұрын
“SJW” it’s 2023.
@CrazyCartoonCat12
Жыл бұрын
Every time Maya talks, I just want to say, "Shut up, Maya". For an "activist" she does more talking than doing.
@moonlitequimby847
Жыл бұрын
All Bark But No Bite
@NomastiAfricanWarlord
Жыл бұрын
A lot of talking, not much doing? Nah sounds like a modern activist to me. Very accurate.
@IDrinkWeed
Жыл бұрын
@@NomastiAfricanWarlord well, people like you wouldn’t know because you only care when an “activist” is being cringe so you can make fun of them and have a reason to not like them.
@SquishyTheVampire
Жыл бұрын
Lmao ikr
@pettykittyfam
Жыл бұрын
@@NomastiAfricanWarlordSAME 😆
@michaelfireheart8300
Жыл бұрын
If I remember correctly, the original Proud Family showed paraplegics as human, by showing they can also be pretty terrible people. Then again, if these groups of people aren't represented in a positive light 24/7, it can be viewed as problematic, even if it's just to humanize the groups. I'm saying this as someone who went to a high school that had a Special Ed class that had kids/teens with a range of disabilities. Nobody treated them differently, but they did have their good times like making kids laugh with their antics as well as their bad times when they'd be having meltdowns. It's more important to show them as human, than as glamorized heroes with no faults. I'm looking at The Predator for deciding to make their autistic lead child be a walking computer, rather than a person with problems they have to work through.
@TeamFriendship8600
Жыл бұрын
It kind of reminds me of "Extra Large Medium" from Family Guy. Disabled people are human, and just like anyone else, they are capable of being jerks.
@michaelfireheart8300
Жыл бұрын
@@TeamFriendship8600 Exactly and even Family Guy had the disabled person in question be okay with the jokes at her expense, showing she could take jokes as well.
@AmaryInkawult
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, one of my friends was in special Ed and he knew some real assholes in there. This one kid was always rough with him and in senior year he actually knocked him down and this legit pissed me off when I finally heard about it.
@michaelfireheart8300
Жыл бұрын
@@AmaryInkawult Really? That sucks, but hopefully the douche got in trouble for picking on him.
@afoolishfopdoodle3284
Жыл бұрын
That's just what I was going to say! I really liked that episode because it showed that people with disabilities aren't happy and nice all the time, there's a huge handful that can be jerks.
@BatSnakegirl
Жыл бұрын
From what I can see, there could have been so many more ways to depict Bebe's Autism. Struggling to get him to give up the pacifier long past the time other kids his age would have, aversion to certain aspects of his clothes, not wanting his hair touched, outright refusing certain foods...there's so much right there that would make more sense and be more in line with what a lot of Autistic people relate to.
@AlexEndorian
Жыл бұрын
@UnicornPlaysWhat I think that they missed an opportunity to show how female and male autistic people may present differently. It's why so many girls go undiagnosed for so much longer.
@VidiaReePhoenix
Жыл бұрын
I know Autism is a spectrum, but from the clips I saw, Bebe seems to play and interact with his twin and other people fine which is a bit... odd. Usually, one of the first signs of autism in a child is the fact that they do not interact or play with others at a level they should at their age. I mean, it is not the only sign, but it is one of biggest and first signs for a child his age.
@rosykindbunny1313
Жыл бұрын
@unicornplayswhat7580 My brother is autistic but my parents aren't, and I'm not. Are you sure that's always the case?
@arthas640
11 ай бұрын
I honestly think they started off with a realistic autistic child character like you describe, but for some reason decided that wasnt obvious or entertaining enough and made him insane instead.
@pfp-underwater
8 ай бұрын
@@rosykindbunny1313 Maybe your older ancestors
@rise.-mikey
Жыл бұрын
So far Rise of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, made a character who is on the spectrum but he's accepted in his family. It's Donnatello, a lot of people within the spectrum can relate to him and they sometimes envy his relationship with his brothers because they don't see him as a burden.
@JoeyTurner476
Жыл бұрын
I didn't connect the dots at first, but I'm definitely seeing it. Maybe THAT'S why Donnie's my favorite in ROTTMNT... I mean besides the deadpan snarkiness that just kills me XD
@katanakiwi8832
7 ай бұрын
EYYYYYY ROTTMNT FAN IN THE WILD
@rise.-mikey
7 ай бұрын
@@katanakiwi8832 YEAHH!
@beaniesintheclouds
2 ай бұрын
I was _not_ expecting to see a rottmnt fan comment about it on a video like this but I am pleasantly surprised! Hello fellow fan :)
@sev1120
22 күн бұрын
@@rise.-mikey Plus, whilst his brothers still rib him, they don't see him as any different. He's their brother Donnie, and he's got autism, but that doesn't change the fact that he's their brother. They help him with limitations he has, but don't walk on eggshells like he'll shatter into a million pieces if they say something lut of line.
@azazelgrigori9244
Жыл бұрын
Honestly, after the end of innocence (colorism episode), I'm convinced that the writers don't know what they're doing.
@michaelfireheart8300
Жыл бұрын
That or they just have too many writers working on each episode, cause they feel like multiple writers stretching the plot in their own directions, leaving the episodes with whiplash plots.
@huguesdepayens807
Жыл бұрын
They know exactly what they're doing.
@azazelgrigori9244
Жыл бұрын
Dude, I wouldn’t be surprised if they were parodying whatever issue they got involved with. If I was black, I’d be embarrassed over the whole show. As an autistic person, I already feel that way about big bang theory and young Sheldon.
@huguesdepayens807
Жыл бұрын
@@azazelgrigori9244 No, it's not at all a parody, they actually hate white people. And don't say things like "if I were black" brother, you're white, be proud of it. Nobody else matters dude.
@chasformer3091
Жыл бұрын
Oh they know what they are doing. And its gonna cause a second age of segregation.
@Stargazer_Ley
Жыл бұрын
I haven't actually seen this ep but I kind of want to point out that this episode seems to be making this about everyone except the autistic person. I know Bebe is a toddler but at the same time I'm a bit sick of "let's talk about how this disability affects the family." We have plenty of those. We don't have many about the autistic person or even autistic adults. (Though maybe there was one and Maddie just didn't mention it but I doubt it.) Maddie points out that it seems to focus on Oscar's feelings on the subject and we always tend to see that.
@MadMunchkin
Жыл бұрын
That's a good point.
@skootergirl22
Жыл бұрын
They must've asked autism speaks for guidance
@vulpixle9659
Жыл бұрын
Monster high might have actually handled that well with the character twyla in the latest episode of the G3 series it introduced the character twyla and she just straight up says my name is twyla and I’m autistic key word here she’s says she’s autistic and not she has autism and that she doesn’t like loud sounds the episode even shows her occasionally fidgeting with her bracelet and a cool fact Twyla’s voice actress is autistic so yeah I think monster high did it well with introducing a autistic character
@user-jn4oe9sb5z
Жыл бұрын
I think this can be an okay view of autism for (1) episode. I do hope going forward there is more emphasis on Bebe though. And while I agree there are many episodes of many shows focusing on the experiences of the family. I want you to stop and think about how many of these episodes involved BLACK/POC families. Because the culture and dynamics are very different here.
@jamiesmom
Жыл бұрын
I agree, but I think what makes this focus [on the family] different is that people tend to react exactly like Oscar did & I think his reaction is a lot more realistic than most. In other media, the family is written to be fully understanding of the idea, or thought, of autism, whereas Oscar was not. I mean, Oscar has always been an impulsive character- says the first thing that comes to mind & he’s abrasive with it. so again, I do agree that more focus needs to be on the person with autism, but I do like this approach.
@DanTheMeek
Жыл бұрын
As an autistic father of an autistic daughter, I find autism representation to be one of the trickiest representations. The spectrum is so diverse, as is the opinions of those in the community. For example, there are a HUGE number of autistic individuals like myself who are repulsed, even offended, when people say "autism is a gift" as Mad Munchkin does near the end of this video. Based on everything I know of my condition, autism is what we call a brain which is failing to properly regulate its neuron counts, resulting in an excess of neuron and neuron connective tissues, the symptoms of which vary greatly (thus the spectrum) but from which the common ones are sensory issues. There are, to date, no indications that autism provides those afflicted by it any benefits, again, its a disregulated brain which is forever trying to self regulate but unable to do so, however, despite having such a condition, many of us are still able to accomplish great things in life. The comparison I make is to a blind person who is better at walking around in a pitch black room then I am as some one who has functional eyes. They have a skill I don't have, but that I COULD have if I wore a blind fold for a year. In the same manner, I have some skills that neurotypical people do not because my disregulated brain pushes me to hyper fixate on my special interests as a means of external self regulation, but if I had a neuro typical brain I could have these same skills, I probably just wouldn't WANT to dedicate so much of my time and thinking to specific things. That's the difference, a neurotypical person has a choice, they can choose to put on the blind fold, and they can take it off at any point if they don't feel what they're getting is worth it. Being autistic, I don't have that choice, like it or not, regardless of the damage I see it cause to me or my loved ones, I'm stuck with this disregulated brain until some one finds a cure. To me, when I see some one call autism a gift, or say "I wouldn't want to be cured because I'd lose x" it makes me so sad because THEY have the gift, autism at best, forced them to use it, but if they weren't autistic they'd still be able to do X, they are amazing, not their autism, their disregulated brain only stands in their way, yet they discount their accomplishments by giving at least partial credit for their accomplishments to that which harms them. All that said... I also know that there exist autistic people, admittedly usually level 1 (Aspergers), who don't feel the same as me, and I do not want to discount their experiences or views. Again, it IS a spectrum, and talking to hundreds of autistic people its become clear to me that the range of experiences among us is so great as to make it so that no single autistic representation in a tv show can EVER properly represent autism for everyone. That doesn't mean it shouldn't be represented, however, just that when it is, I think its both valuable to include multiple representations of the spectrum if at all reasonable, but also to avoid making blanket statements about what autism is and how autistic people experience it, because in doing so you inevitable invalidate a huge portion of the autistic community for whom those descriptions and experiences are not only not accurate, but often, the opposite. I've met autistic people who need to be in tight clothes at all times for self regulation, and ones who NEED baggy clothes or the sensation of the fabric of their clothes touching them is unbearable. I've known some who could tolerate great pain, and ones like myself who seem to feel pain ten fold of my neurotypical peers. And on and on. Anyway, this is already too long so I'll close my essay comment just by saying that I really do appreciate this channel and it talking difficult topics like this.
@XenoJehuty84
Жыл бұрын
@@Demolitiondude Bravo man, I am growing so damn tired of people thinking Austim makes you some kind of gifted person... No, no it does not. Even though I am someone with Aspergers and thus a 'high-functioning' person on the Austic scale, I still deal with the issues you listed above, especially hyper-fixation. There are days I WISH my brain was more neuro-typical because I could focus better, maybe I wouldn't have made some of the bone-headed mistakes I'm still trying to fix. Just because some studies have shown those with Autism can have high IQ's, doesn't mean it is the rule of thumb, especially on the scale of Austim. A few tweaks of brain chemicals and which neurons are or aren't firing are all that separates those of us 'lucky' to be considered 'high functioning' to those needing all the extra help in the world because their brain is practically working against them. I'm all for representation and spreading awareness, but do it right or just don't do it at all you check-box happy morons!
@fredericksaxton9782
Жыл бұрын
Well this shattered all the autistic inspirational quotes I read on an autistic person's youtube channel I watch..I really needed that happiness and acceptance of myself especially recently. Guess not, guess i'm just broken. Either way, you're wrong in at LEAST one aspect. Without autism I wouldn't have my DEEP special interests. What I like is how much I sheerly love things I enjoy. Hyperfixation. "You would still have that but also a choice or whatever" I don't think I'd still be an artist if I didn't care about cartoons so much and my fixations. It kinda offends me when someone tells me "You'd still have those interests and traits" when I know how I am is anything but normal, but that isn't always a negative. If I wasn't autistic, I likely wouldn't be carrying around this stuffed animal I love for years into my adulthood. I know you're saying you're not trying to speak for everyone, so i'd like to give my side. Alao you say you don't speak for everyone but you kinda invalidate others by getting "sad" when they say they'd lose a part of themselves. Werher YOU like it or not, they would. Autism just makes you, different and see the world differently, it can't be cured and it is a part of YOU from birth. It offends ME when people and things like "autism speaks" say it can be "cured" or they're looking to "cure" it, especially from an autistic person with an autistic child. What am I?? A f*cking disease? Y'know, life wouldn't be so "hard" and we wouldn't seem so broken if neurotypicals didn't seem to have such a difficult time dealing with us, even over the SMALLEST things even when it's not about them. We think differently, oh no the horror. Also I can't help it, this also give the air of "If you just cure your gay and transness, no one would hate you!" Why do I need to be "cured" of who I am because it makes others uncomfortable? That doesn't seem right to me. You can say it's "not the same", but they're both a difference in brain function from birth that wasn't a choice, so same vein. Maybe if it wasn't "normal" peoples "Our way or the highway" people wouldn't WANT to be cured, but, who knows.
@Ruby2P
Жыл бұрын
Bro wrote a whole essay, and is amazing.
@alephisfatum1864
Жыл бұрын
I have to say that this comment is pretty mind opening as an Asperger who does not often looks in depth this topic until now. It is wildly appreciated to listen to other perspectives and especially if they do it in a mature way (this also goes with the video of Mad Munchkin). As for the “gift” thing, I have to agree that autism is cumbersome and difficult to deal with both for the individual and its family, but I see it in the way that we can try to make the best out of our circumstance and “capacitate” it for a better quality of life (hope I expressed that correctly here and not in a way that can be taken in bad faith) Have a good day, Dan.
@Alexander-nc4vy
Жыл бұрын
I am autistic and I try to keep it to myself for a variety of reasons. 1, I don’t like it when people pretend to understand what it’s like to be me. They’ll say things like “I understand you, my cousin is autistic”, uh no you don’t, autism varies based on the individual. 2, I want to be left alone. 3, neurotypical people tend to be mind-numbingly ignorant to autism, which is kind of understandable. And 4, it makes me look like a virtue signaler, I really don’t like virtue signalers.
@michaelfireheart8300
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, the biggest issue with Louder and Prouder's writing, is that they can't decide on who to focus on, so the lessons get muddled and don't fully have an impact. I also agree that just because a show gives representation, it doesn't make the show good, especially when the representation is more so about the family, rather than the person with the disability. If you keep giving shows props for barely having representation, that'll be the only thing you get, which is shown with how samey the representation is.
@afoolishfopdoodle3284
Жыл бұрын
Yeeeeah. That was kind of how I felt about the episode with Maya's dads. Like, sure, it was fine, but I feel like it should've focused a little bit more on Michael. I know, he's not exactly the most important character in that episode, but he was confirmed to be gay in the very first episode of the reboot. I feel like he would have a valuable perspective as the gay kid in a school where the kids with two dads are getting bullied for that reason.
@user-jn4oe9sb5z
Жыл бұрын
Saw your other comment and wanted to agree. This has been a huge issue with the reboot. Like how the colorism episode turned into pointless female vs female fighting but tried to put a point on female solidarity and allyship but missed the mark on all fronts angering everyone. There were definately a lot of misses in the original series that resulted in problematic or episodes with mixed messaging but they always set out with the topic in mind and at hand. With these new episodes it feels like were tiptoeing around these huge issues they claim to be discussing in their headlines.
@mysticalarchives7821
Жыл бұрын
Honestly, it’s not a surprise to me that Maya has this confusion of privilege, rights, and responsibilities, because that’s the confusion. A lot of people are making in today’s world, and the producer of the show is no exception.
@CheeseTheWhistle
Жыл бұрын
As someone who has a family member on the higher functioning side of the spectrum, I can kinda get the point you are making here. Just because it's representation doesn't make it automatically good.
@jld12er30
Жыл бұрын
as someone who is on the spectrum (aspergers anxiety and adhd) i really dont care if there is any representation for me at all tbh because most of the time they just screw it up anyway
@CheeseTheWhistle
Жыл бұрын
@@jld12er30 Ah, that is a fair point... (Also I did not know that was on the spectrum, thank you). I suppose my care for my family member blinded me to that. I am sorry.
@jld12er30
Жыл бұрын
@@CheeseTheWhistle no worries bud im glad you would care so much family. And most things dont bother me its one of the other reasons i dont care if i get representation in film or tv because really it doesnt really change anything i mean cmon its not like its going to make my brain work like everyone else and even that dont bother me i just see it as the good lord made me a bit different.
@sassyghost_8
Жыл бұрын
I’ve noticed that a lot of irl activists, at least the really vocal ones, don’t understand the difference between a right and a privilege either so at least Louder and Prouder was accurate on that one.
@Aethon_is_here
Жыл бұрын
"I got two black parents. I have no rights." **Dies of cringe.**
@tavrosnitram1529
Жыл бұрын
i mean, its not like shes wrong, ive seen *tons* of people say this shit, haha
@LordShonji
Жыл бұрын
She's out of line, but she has a point. There definitely are teens that feel like his
@user-jn4oe9sb5z
Жыл бұрын
I mean this is how it feels to many children with conservative/traditional black parents. Calling it "cringe" is really reductive to the issue and rude to those who relate to this comment.
@Loifey
Жыл бұрын
@@user-jn4oe9sb5z what is the difference between black conservative/traditional and other races conservative/traditional parents? (not trying to start an argument, just genuinely wondering)
@ShaftCommander
Жыл бұрын
Clearly a white person.
@JoeyTurner476
Жыл бұрын
I still remember when I first found out about my Aspergers. My first thought was "I don't have time to be autistic, I have to be a high school student." Mostly because I had a faint grasp of what my situation was. I didn't know how big a deal it was back then... you could fill a novelette with the kinda stuff I don't know ^^;
@Takisan111
Жыл бұрын
I got my diagnosis during my senior year of high school. By that point, I'd already figured out the easiest method for blending in with "normal people" on the lowest energy setting possible so finding out didn't really register as important since I'd already done all the hard stuff all on my own. All it did was put a name to what I'd already sensed was there somewhere. While I really do wish now that I'd had all these reference materials when I was younger, I also am glad I didn't since my school district was one of those places where anyone could end up in Special Ed for just about any reason up to and including anger issues and crippling shyness 🙄 The only thing keeping me out was my adaptability and my moms refusal to accept their crap. Ah the ongoing human struggle of self discovery vs self preservation.
@CrazyCartoonCat12
Жыл бұрын
I wasn't officially diagnosed as autistic until high school. Though my mom noticed my autistic traits when I was 4.
@oblitusunum6979
Жыл бұрын
I was labeled with aspergers (tech high functioning aspergers) in elementary school. It was then used as a brand on my forehead all throughout school. Basically the school refused to even research what it meant and would just assume it meant mentally retarded. They immediately tried to put me on drugs and kick me down to special Ed. When my mother refused they decided they would try to force me into the class. They literally harassed me every year until I got out of that school and then had at least one teacher each school year openly harassing me and even punishing my grades because "he has to be cheating, there is no way he is that good at ____ subject". Seriously it was insane, I'm working on my doctorates now yet they would openly say that i had no future. The look on their face when my mother mentions my degree level (when she runs into them) is hilarious. They have a look of shock and embarrassment that I am actually succeeding despite all their actions.
@tetraxis3011
Жыл бұрын
Gigachad
@SunIsLost
10 ай бұрын
Yea
@Fusilier7
Жыл бұрын
The problem with the Proud Family reboot, is that it tries to realistically portray people, while being cartoony during it's runtime, the writers want it both ways, even if these styles clash. I have autism, from my point of view, this is not how we are like, this is what the Proud Family's writers think autism is like, if you don't know how to write characters with autism, do not write a character with autism, the job of a writer is to experience people, then share that experience on screen, just going online and reading about autism is not good enough.
@odinoco
Жыл бұрын
The first thing that comes to my mind after your review is the South Park episode about Tourette, and how that made a point to say that the condition? Disorder? Is actually different from person to person, and that it's wrong to take advantage of its existance to look for Sympathy because people with it are no less human than everyone else.
@jenneacubero1036
Жыл бұрын
Another missed opportunity is that we don't get to really see Cece's point of view. Yeah, she's two but she'd probably feel left out/jealous when Bebe gets more attention, embarrassed/frustrated by Bebe's actions l due to her not yet understanding. Or confused about the while ordeal.
@Cart00nist101
7 ай бұрын
Oh trust me, I'm already writing a full blown episode that takes place in he future about Cece's P.O.V on all of this. And by writing I mean daydreaming how I think it would play out with my own headcanon's added in. Also I know everyone in this comment section has mentioned already but I have to give credit to ROTTMNT for inspiring a Cece centric fanfic/daydream. We do have Donnie and Leo being twins after all
@pichugirl6
Жыл бұрын
I swear you can do an entire school project, nay, a college essay on why you should never create a child activist who barely contributes to anything but themselves. Maya puts the whole new meaning of "if you're not gonna support whatever I do as a friend, then why the heck do we hang around in the friend circle at all" spectrum. I don't truly think this episode was groundbreaking on the whole Autism topic. They perfectly did a good job on explaining it as a whole with the diagnosis part, but something tells me unless the writers keep actual note reminder after this, Bebe will just go back to being a toddler playing around with Cece. Autism has come in many varieties, and the tricky part is through the whole expressing and reaction in a fictional animated means of entertainment. What can be worse in media entertainment is if you say those with Autism are allowed to behave in a very ill-mannered way just because of their Autism.
@Ishouldprobablyhidemynamelol
Жыл бұрын
"Maya gets rights and privileges mixed up" Maya is exactly like an irl activist in that case
@arthas640
11 ай бұрын
Even rights arent always a given, you or someone else have to fight for your rights. Even today in America white men wouldnt be able to vote if not for the revolutionary soldiers, white women wouldnt be able to vote without the suffragettes, non-white people wouldnt be able to vote without all those who fought for the Union and in both world wars without the right to vote and without the efforts of the Civil Rights movement. Most of Europe wouldnt be able to vote without the Allies fighting off the Nazis and NATO defending them from communism. Most of the 3rd world wouldnt be able to vote without the various independence movements. Most activists dont even really know what fighting for your rights really entails, they think "activism" is the same as posting on social media or using rights they already have to express themselves. Most protestors today in the first world arent really fighting for rights, they're largely just complaining. Even at many rallies and protests they tend to go to places that are already on their side like protesting to protect Roe v Wade in a state where it's still fully in force or protesting injustices in the 3rd world in a liberal 1st world capitol. Most activists though dont even look at the prefix of "activist" which is "act" as in "action", you're performing an "action" to further your goal, not finding an echo chamber to complain at or reposting/copy and pasting something you saw on social media.
@bethbayless5652
Жыл бұрын
As someone diagnosed with autism as a tiny being, I am very glad when I see good representation of autism. This episode is very conflicting to me. It's like they had 2 plots and smooshed it into one and that Bebe's autism fell through the cracks. The show writers should've scrapped the Penny's babysitting half and just focused on Bebe and his diagnosis. The dynamics change a lot after diagnosis and it would've been great to see.
@shadow-gr4iw
Жыл бұрын
5:35 I think what Maya was trying to say is that Penny has a right to say no to babysitting her siblings. As so she could be distracted or the staff of the museum would probably tell her that she probably needs to keep her siblings quiet or she'll have to be vacated from the premises, Keep in mind BeBe and CeCe are toddlers they can easily Escape pennies line of vision and Exhibits which would lead Penny and her parents to pay a heavy fine
@AmaryInkawult
Жыл бұрын
Can't blame you for wanting to cover Bluey again. It's a show with a lot of good writing and folded like a paper crane that's begging to be dissected.
@Lancehot
Жыл бұрын
Dude bluey in my opinion is a good family friendly masterpiece. Funny and at the same time not annoying to watch
@jurassicroom7673
Жыл бұрын
The "I have black parent I have no rights" Is a very American thing idk I work around alot of black people so I found it funny.
@bookworms6634
Жыл бұрын
I'm not even American, but that line speaks truths about my life
@mykaylarussey
Жыл бұрын
I just want to say thank you for doing these videos on louder and prouder. Finding any genuine critics about this show and not just hating on it for being "woke" is a breath of fresh air. I enjoyed louder and prouder even if it had it issues with depicting serious topics (end of innocence, bebe, juneteenth, especially). I think the problem is that with the writing and trying to do a lot with complex issues within a single episode. Especially with a show that has more episodes that are goofy, lighthearted, and episodic. Basically season 2 is a bit confused but it got spirit and I hope it finds the right footing to tell these certain stories for people.
@nanopanda
Жыл бұрын
Bebe and Cece always got into shenanigans in the first series...I'm not sure why this was the demonstration and not just a full episode centered around the twins and not penny/oscar. The twins have been side characters for so long and now they they are old enough to participate in the plot, there's ample ideas for their development. Id love to see them in preschool or daycare (which would give penny and co more freedom to do their own thing)
@EG.Studios
Жыл бұрын
Something hit me in the head from what you brought up about Maya: what disgusts me about modern activists is they DON'T practice what they preach. A REAL activist is keeping their mouth shut and just put the effort in doing something beneficial and progressive. Actions speak louder than words, even good actions when people see it they'll be inspired by it. That's how you become an activist. Not a self loathing lazy gaslighter.
@spencerbowden2979
Жыл бұрын
Yeah they kind of undermined their own plot when it’s pointed out bebe needs more love and attention and the first thing they do is just push him off on penny. I have mild autism myself so I feel they really shot themselves in the foot with this episode. No one learns anything nor in the show or even the audience cause the episodes point defeats itself.
@lucadamothperson1717
Жыл бұрын
I think you too hung up on the wording. As someone like Penny, i get it. It is not her responsibility to always watch her siblings. And that's the whole point. She's not just whinning and complaining. Through out the whole series, old and new, Penny's parents are constantly making her watch her siblings when she has her own life to live. She didn't have them so she shouldn't have to keep making sacrifices in her life. Only the ones who made them should. So what if shes only goin to the museum? I don't care if it was to Disney World. She shouldn't have to have the responsibility of taking care of twin toddlers while shes just trying to hang with her friends. That's not her job. She does have a RIGHT to STAND UP and tell her parents, who have been making her feel she doesn't have the right, that she doesn't want to babysit. And onto the show/episode, I think one of the main issues is that they try and squeeze too many ideas into one story line. Cause it tries to tackle parentification of penny, bebes autism and Oscar coming to terms with all of it. They should of just hinted at Penny's issue since it's already been shown and just focused on Oscar and bebe. And then focused on Penny's issue in a separate episode.
@bookworms6634
Жыл бұрын
THANK YOU! I swear, all the comments saying that Penny was a brat and going to the museum is a unecessary are obviously white people who never had to deal with parents guilt tripping them into last-minute babysitting so they can have fun. I honestly feel like if you know nothing, don't say anything. And these comments are proof
@Hektols
Жыл бұрын
Agree, older children are not free babysitters.
@firecharcoal-arts5171
Жыл бұрын
As an autistic person, we have a long way to go to get proper representation in animation. The best representation we got of an autistic person was Quinni from Heartbreak High (because the actor is actually autistic), and that was not even in an animated show. I get that the show wanted to present this topic, but I feel so infantized by this representation (which is not good because I have been treated this way all of my life). Yes, present the fact that we are disabled but don't present as superheroes or nuisances to society because that harmful stereotype affect our lives and how we are treated. Also, please don't use the term "Aspergers Syndrome" because it coined after a N@zi scientist who tortured autistic people for experiments./nm
@WolfgangXP65-67
Жыл бұрын
If only there were another name to describe Asperger's syndrome.
@N12015
2 ай бұрын
Still using it. That kind of victim mentality and rewritting story IS NOT something we should support, and let's be real, the term is useful because let's be real, otherwise people will believe we need way more help than we actually need, and I despise condescendence.
@reveriemephisto1995
Жыл бұрын
Are none of the producers or even cast members listening to our complaints and analysis? These are major issues in the show that they need to reevaluate about themselves as storytellers because it's giving off the wrong vibes and messages!
@ARCtheCartoonMaster
Жыл бұрын
Honestly, I don't get why it's so hard for people to just write a normal character... who just happens to be autistic. Like... the typical "nonconformist/free spirit" protagonist is closer to an authentic representation of autism than any of the BS we've been getting lately. Honestly, if anything, I'm more worried that my autistic characters will be criticised for not being "autistic enough", as I'm just writing them as normal people... who just happen to be a little quirky, and not in a pretentious braggy way either.
@bunn__y
Жыл бұрын
A right to a childhood is a right. Being forced to parent takes away childhood. I don't see where your confusion comes from. It's not that complicated.
@MadMunchkin
Жыл бұрын
Did you finish the video? I literally went into more.detail on that.
@QUEENOBSCURE
Жыл бұрын
Actually being autistic myself I hated loop and felt it was horrible for the camp leader should never have left a child with a low functioning child it's not his job if this was real life you know both families would have sued.
@connorthompson8376
Жыл бұрын
I honestly like the reference humor. Yeah, it put me off a little that her friends were a too cavalier about her brother being missing, and I would’ve written it differently, but it’s meant to be both comedic and serving the idea that Penny is in over her head. Maybe the discussion of autism could’ve been better if it had been the focus throughout the entire episode, and maybe this was an obstacle from the company, but what they are, at least, trying to do is say that Penny’s responsibilities are adding up, because Bebe’s symptoms are adding up.
@chellastation
Жыл бұрын
One thing is for sure, I can relate to having older adults (especially parents) pushing me to watch younger children without asking me if I have plans or goals I need to accomplish. On top of this, I was the younger sibling. My older siblings had to go through the same thing, and I agree it is selfish for any parents to push this. Don't have time to take care of your kids, DON'T HAVE MORE KIDS, PROBLEM SOLVED! If you are going to have the older or younger sibling watch someone younger, at least pay your kid or promise a deal that both can agree on. Also, I hate the excuse of, "Oh, I gave birth to you, so you owe me." Parents like this really piss me off. 😡
@hibikuokudan
Жыл бұрын
I have two disabled sisters (unidentified disorder. They have low muscle tone, balance issues, are non-verbal, and will never be independent). I have to help take care of them, and yeah, it does feel like being a third parent and it sucks at times. That being said.. it's family. My sister's need me, and if anyone tried to tell me "just stick up for yourself and ignore them, you don't have to help", I'd scream at them. Sometimes, I have to take them out to places with me, like movies, and that's fine. They deserve to enjoy going out as well, and Penny's friends are completely ignorant to what it's like being an older sibling.
@mackenziecarver6807
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, from what I’ve seen of this reboot, I am so glad i passed on it. Especially with the character of Maya. From when Ive seen of this character, she just comes off as one of those selfish, arrogant and self righteous people that are mistaken to be activists. I find her to be a terrible Role model for anyone to have.
@skootergirl22
Жыл бұрын
Also the hate on white people we should be equal that's what MLK would want
@TheScrowlingFender7
Жыл бұрын
I'm glad they tackled both parentification and autism in this episode. I also like how they didn't use most of the stereotypes associated with autism.
@platina1502
Жыл бұрын
I mean there ARE child protection laws against the constant high responsibility Penny was put in and the constant time and mental health consumption her parents just forced her into and it is a reacuring issue in many less privileged communities But yeah the shows issue is often the lack of balance of comedy and sincerity, it jumps too hard without buildup and often just pretends as if they didnt just ridicule or straightup showed bigotry on the screen and keep it as a "joke" while they try to show that bigotry is wrong
@wimsylogic65
Жыл бұрын
Well unfortunately This Happens more frequently Especially With mental Illness and substance abuse, And with anything that keeps the parents from being present for their children. Lacking resources support and life skills Often lead to people Who need their kids to take on roles they normally shouldn't. But they have to because then who will.
@wimsylogic65
Жыл бұрын
Sucks trying to adult after growing up that way though.
@caitlinsnowfrost8244
Жыл бұрын
I like that they said "lower support" instead of talking about functioning labels? While I don't personally have a preference either way, lately the autistic community prefers "low support" to "high functioning" because in practice that's what functioning labels have meant- high-functioning meant it took less effort for other people to accommodate or 'support' you. As an autistic person with an *absurdly* low pain tolerance though...WHY DID I NOT GET THE ABILITY TO NOT PROCESS PAIN THE WAY OTHERS DO?
@Vulpecula-Enfield
Жыл бұрын
Going to a museum is a privilege while babysitting is a responsibility. You are literally taking care of a child, another living being. The next generation. That is more important than going to a museum.
@ShaftCommander
Жыл бұрын
Too bad it’s not Penny’s (full) responsibility. Bebe and Cece aren’t her kids.
@Vulpecula-Enfield
Жыл бұрын
@@ShaftCommander Still as an older sibling, it's our responsibility to look out for our younger siblings.
@ShaftCommander
Жыл бұрын
@@Vulpecula-Enfield look out for. Not take care of.
@tavrosnitram1529
Жыл бұрын
@@Vulpecula-Enfield its only our responsibility if the parents force it on us, kids are not supposed to be taking care of kids, especially ones that arent theirs
@bobtheball5384
Жыл бұрын
@@Vulpecula-Enfield And this is how you have older siblings who grow to resent their parents and siblings for being forced to take care of them all the time.
@afluffymugcake3763
Жыл бұрын
this episode really could have been amazing. During the part where Bebe was revealed to be autistic, the way Oscar reacted reminded me a lot of my dad when my mom initially suggested that I likely have adhd and/or autism(now diagnosed). He didn't want to accept the idea that I, his offspring, might be stupid, and later learned down the line that 'stupid' and neurodivergency aren't one and the same. In fact, he began to appreciate the fact that I'm like this. End of Innocence could've done this. It's clear that this is what they were striving for. And it makes me so insanely sad that we couldn't have had that.
@celestiafanforever
Жыл бұрын
When I found I have Autism, I also have Asperger's, I didn't accept it at first. I did not want to accept that I was more different then I already was around other people. I was already dealing with being a reject at school, I was dealing with bullying at the time I didn't want anyone at my school to know cause I thought it would make it worst if anyone found out. After I did my own search on Asperger's I learned that just because I have Asperger's doesn't make me anymore different as someone else. Over time I learned to accept I am autistic and that I do have Asperger's. When it comes to trying to calm down after being overwhelmed some people will take a step outside or out of a room and hide away in a room away from other people. For me I try to block out everyone the best I can. I put my hands over my ears while using my fingers to try and close 'em then shut my eyes and try to block the noise out. Come to find out that can also been seen as rude to some people who are trying to talk to you, I had a noise overload in math class a few years ago and everyone was talking over everyone and just being load while that is seen as a normal form of loud to me it felt like it was 10x louder and one of my classmates was trying to talk to me while I was having an overload of noise. I can't even understand two people who are trying to talk to me at the same time. I once even told them to shut up, I was lucky that they weren't mad cause they were my sister and dad. I do agree with you Maddie that Autism is a gift and I also agree with Dhar man that Autism can be a superpower. From watching Through our eyes: Living with Asperger's a documentary that can be found here on KZitem I learned that just because someone has the same form of Autism as you do they have their own sensory issues and overloads then you do and own way of coming down after a sensory overload, for me as I stated above I will try and block out the noise the best I can and if that doesn't work either I leash up the family dog and take a walk around the block, which I only did once because my nephews were having a screaming and crying fit over something that I don't remember, or I lock myself in my room put on headphones and try to block it out that way.
@plasmmew
Жыл бұрын
Had to tell my friend to stop watching this new version of The Proud Family, because they believe this is another way of understanding my culture. Had to tell them to watch the old version and The Boondocks.
@huguesdepayens807
Жыл бұрын
Why would they care to understand "your culture" and what are you referring to when you say that?
@HispAnakin42
Жыл бұрын
7:54 Anyone who has sibling would have this same reaction. Little siblings almost seem invincible with the amount of stuff that that they can just tank lol.
@mentirosa8709
Жыл бұрын
I really wish the show wasn’t trying so hard while talking about serious topic because it just comes up hypocritical and contradicts itself in so many ways. Ever since the “Slaves runs this country” thing, I couldn’t take this show seriously anymore. Autism representation needs to be shown more, because people will have watch bad shows like this one to feel seen
@connorthompson8376
Жыл бұрын
Maybe the episode would’ve been interesting in another way if Cece had more screen time, but I don’t know that this is necessary. The doctor did do a comparison diagnosis, and found that she did not have autism. As for whether the name should be used or not, I think it’s perfectly fine to use the name. Yes, the big deal is that it should not be a big deal, so in many cases, it can be shown without being named. However, when trying to destigmatize the subject itself, it’s sometimes pays to point directly at the issue. Many people still need to hear the word autism without having a reaction. By the way, you make a good point about how complicated the condition and its diagnoses are. This is all the more reason why the topic needs to be explored and named. People are wrong to say that this series is automatically the best thing ever just because of one episode, and they are wrong to say that this has never been attempted. But I don’t think that diminishes from the step this episode and series are taking. Let’s just hope that the next show does it even better.
@mileslugo6430
Жыл бұрын
I wish they made "Bebe" a 2 parter. Partly because it would push back the Juneteenth episode to season 3.
@LuckoDaStars
Жыл бұрын
the message with the kid in the wheelchair is about you shouldnt lower your guard with someone who is disabled and you should treat them like everyone else. and just because they are disabled doesnt mean they are any less of a jerk, sometimes they use there diability to get away with things they should never personal experience; my dad is an absolute bastard, legally blind, wheelchair bound, has multiple sclerosis (immune system is basically killing him and the nervous system). he was not a very nice man before he showed signs, and became what Aesop would call: the old lion An old Lion, whose teeth and claws were so worn that it was not so easy for him to get food as in his younger days, pretended that he was sick (in this case he IS sick). He took care to let all his neighbors know about it, and then lay down in his cave to wait for visitors. And when they came to offer him their sympathies. The Fox came too, but he was very cautious about it. Standing at a safe distance from the cave, he inquired politely after the Lion's health. The Lion replied that he was very ill indeed, and asked the Fox to step in for a moment. But Master Fox very wisely stayed outside, thanking the Lion very kindly for the invitation. "I should be glad to do as you ask," he added, "but I have noticed that there are many footprints leading into your cave and none coming out. Pray tell me, how do your visitors find their way out again?"
@itsblitz4437
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing your experiences and disabilities, because you done so much and successful in life. Thank you also, for clarifying what autism actually is. Honestly the word and definition of Autism to me at least, is so vast and at times very hard to understand. Until now I have no idea it was a sensory disability. I realized now that's what it meant as there are different modes of autism here and there.
@mysryuza
Жыл бұрын
Shows should stop pulling this trope where the baby is constantly in dramatically outlandish situations that risks their safety and their life and making the main characters go out of their way to get them out of danger at the cost of their own safety the entire episode. This show is acting like this is still the early 2000s and not the 2020s. To associate that with autism is harmful.
@professorhaystacks6606
Жыл бұрын
Yeah I was confused by that... that's not a trait I'veseen or even heard of with ASD, at least not in the way depicted. I've heard of it causing a higher likelihood of burning a hand on a stove or something, since some ASD people don't register a pain sensation until they get closer but that's... not what's shown here.
@HazbinCovenWitch
Жыл бұрын
My guess is that they couldn't decide which plot point to go with, so they decided to try to fit all them in.
@Lustfullynova
Жыл бұрын
I think you missed the second lesson of the episode which is parentification (Penny's side)? I think the episode was handling too many subjects at the same time, but I could tell that parentification, which is basically turning your child into a third/second parent, is wrong. Regardless if they are your child.
@fluffy11cat
Жыл бұрын
For my capstone in art school, I did it on need more representations of animated characters with disability. Witch I did since I have a learning disability my self. Out of shows that I feel had good representation of disability are, Toph from (T.L.A.B., Avatar the last Air-bender), Felix Renton from (K.P., Kim Possible), Helen from (S.X. Sonic x), Scootaloo form (M.l.P., My Little Pony), and Dory from (F.N., Finding Nemo). I also feel CeCe from Shake Up was a good representation of dyslexia. It was the episode called Add it up. Even though is was show with actors and not animated, to me that episode really stuck with me. I end up learning what dyslexia was, and to find out the actor had it as well, made me like that episode munch more. There are a few shows that have animated characters with disability that are good representation, but agree that we need more of it. I haven't seen a character that even has my learning disability, witch I would like to see.
@dangernoodledee111
Жыл бұрын
I truly do wish these could have been separate episodes. One could focus on the sibling dynamic between Penny and the twins, while the other could focus on Bebe and Oscar. I think Oscar being a major focus in the episode on Bebe's autism could work, but you'd have to be particular about it. It would be best if it was more about how Oscar's reaction would affect Bebe, and the slow acceptance that Bebe is autistic, and that that isn't a problem. I could relate to something like that, and it could be pretty cathartic for me. Unfortunately, being both African American and autistic can be really difficult, and though autism isn't viewed in the best light by white people, it can be particularly complex in the black community. I am autistic with a Black dad, and as much as I love him, he was like Oscar in terms of denial. It wasn't expressed in the same way, but the intense refusal to acknowledge all the signs was there. It would be really nice to see them explore not just autism in the black community, but also how many parents will deny that their children have autism, and how it can negatively impact those children.
@4thDeadlySin
Жыл бұрын
Reboot = Does not continue from where the previous left off, opting to start over. Continuation = Picks up right where the previous left off. Revival = Can be either a Reboot or Continuation.
@sanitycaycay2507
Жыл бұрын
Asperger's is no longer a diagnosis or in the DSM-5.
@RebekkaJones
11 ай бұрын
Parentification is a thing, and it seems Oscar and Trudy are doing it to Penny.
@TeamFriendship8600
Жыл бұрын
This is generally a good video, but autism is more of a communication disorder. But anyway, this episode feels like it was directed by an "Autism mom".
@skootergirl22
Жыл бұрын
That supports autism speaks
@codycallaway9057
Жыл бұрын
Not just communication it's a sensory thing not just communication (please don't believe that it's just communication or most of autistics just mostly have communication) I know allot of people who have autism that have good communication
@N12015
2 ай бұрын
I'm sure is less about comunication, more about perception. A mind basically impossible to pin down due to constant shifting, quite stubborn, curious to an obsessive level and in general a desire to rationalize everything. In general I feel autism is quite difficult to represent, because its effects vary from "Barely an inconvenience, although still a weirdo" to "psicologically disabled".
@wolfgirl5636
Жыл бұрын
I think that episode of bluey is about deafness and Australian sign language not autism.
@MadMunchkin
Жыл бұрын
The character using sign language was non verbal, not deaf.
@opadrip
5 ай бұрын
Mob Psycho 100 does autism better than Louder and Prouder and i don't know what to think of that
@professorhaystacks6606
Жыл бұрын
First: in both this and that weird dating one covered previously (whatever that episode was called), I gotta give the props to Penny's BF (I don't remember his name). He comes across both times as the only sane person, putting forth a reasonable objection in the last one (which isn't really followed up on) and actually helping (and apparently having fun with it) in this one. He is the GOAT. While dumping your friends for a significant other is generally a bad move, in this one specific instance I think she'd be better off. Again, please do not do that in real life. Second: when the entire conflict can be solved the the existence of a regular character who is absent without explanation, you might want to write a second draft. Sugar Moma was the high point of the old show, and they just kinda forgot about her here. Third: This is a weird mish-mash. While there's consideration of actual ASD symptoms, they don't seem to be what cause the problems with him later. In fact it is more normal baby behavior that causes those problems. What were they going for exactly? The opining at C 19:30 would require multiple hours to dig into in full, and I'm likely not the most qualified... I can't think of a good way to say this but here's my best attempt. In certain severe cases of ASD, what I would call 'classic disorder' cases (there's probably a more technical term), individuals are unable to function independently at all. I would hardly call that a gift. Like anything you can make the most of it, but that's not the same thing. It feels, to draw a flawed analogy, like telling someone who was blinded that they've been given a gift. They are unlikely to see it that way and even if they did they would almost certainly welcome the chance to see again. Relatedly, ASD does have treatments in the sense of 'interventions to prevent or ameliorate undesired outcomes'. Just because it's not a chemical intervention doesn't mean it's not a treatment.
@ivygirl9119
9 ай бұрын
Oscar and Trudy aren't even taking breaks from their children atp, they're just playing. I get that people are tired of kids & stuff and need a break once in a while but if you doing this s*** everyday, relying on siblings or other family members to watch your kids when you can, that's not healthy. If you're that tired & constantly relying on someone else to watch your own children when you just want to go out and play, then you shouldn't have had them in the first place
@kerrygligorovic9758
Жыл бұрын
I know what it feels like to be different from other people and I do understand how the Proud family feeling right now as they're trying to accept that Bebe has autistic because my parents went through the same thing with me when I was very young before I starter at Primary school. I don't really have autistic but I do have asperger syndrome which means I can sometime get confuse or misunderstood what other people are talking about. I didn't know that I have a asperger syndrome until my mum finally decided to tell me the whole truth before I started high school. Through my life from teenager and now as an adult I accepted my condiction as there times when I do need help when I need it but I do start to think for myself as I tried to be organise or even help my parents out as I could. There are some things I'm good at while there are other difficult things that I'm not good at but I always try best to bring out the person in me which I'm sure Bebe would do the same thing even though this is a cartoon.
@SpenceDMann
Жыл бұрын
I think Maya's role is to represent people who claim to be one thing but are the Antithesis of that very thing. It is like that one character in an episode of Sagwa called "Master of Mistakes", who is a teacher that teaches children in the episode how to do something correctly by doing it incorrectly. It sounds weird but it is something that seems to work and something I've seen growing up in other shows and media. Sesame Street may have some examples of such things. Oscar the Grouch is such a character that can be utilized as such, especially when he tells people to "Scram" but actually likes them to stick around. I recommend you watch that episode "Master of Mistakes" from Sagwa, The Chinese Siamese Cat (2001), though I have to agree, Maya is not a likeable character. Was she added to the franchise after the Movie? Cause I do not remember her in the original series.
@SilentGlaceon94
Жыл бұрын
Maya is new to the series.
@SpenceDMann
Жыл бұрын
@@SilentGlaceon94 I figured as much but I wasn't sure if she was introduced in the new series or the movie, cause I know she wasn't in the old series, at least not in the earlier seasons I got a few glimpses of.
@amaniwhite9622
Жыл бұрын
Opinion Handled Munchkin. I'm personally enjoying this Show!
@SquishyTheVampire
Жыл бұрын
Sorry but the line about having 2 black parents was probably the most relatable a hilarious line I ever heard
@1980Shadowwolf
Жыл бұрын
Speaking as someone with aspergers a form of autism its good we are being seen in society however mine went undiagnosed until i was 21. The spectrum doesnt mean we cause trouble everywhere we go hell as a kid i was very quiet and kept to myself. Most never knew the extent of my problem or even if had a problem. I am a dad now too at age 43 and to this day people just think i act like everyone else i am just quiet and a bit of a gamer. To me how they treated the baby was look up autism speaks video i am autism made us seem a curse on society. I wish society would stop seeing us a curse.
@BlazingKhioneus
7 ай бұрын
Sorry to nitpick, but "differently abled" and "autism is a gift" rhetoric I hear largely frowned upon by the autistic community. Just wanna voice that before you say one of those ohrases in front of the wrong person.
@videosofmine100
Жыл бұрын
The Cosby show did an episode on learning disabilities. They did it masterfully and I remember seeing that ep made me cry because I could finally express to my parents what was going on with me. I think if you’re going to talk about disability you need to talk about the education and the feels people go through and cut out some of the comedy.
@BugaBooGirl
Жыл бұрын
I have a nephew much like Bebe, fearless and Unstoppable and likes to do a lot of extreme stuff. He's only 5 years old but within that time I have seen him. Launched himself out of his crib onto a trampoline and smack face first into the floor. Just the Laughing off. And that was just before the age of 2. Does extremist like that exist with autistic children my nephew is one but the extreme that was shown in the episode not as much. As far as Oscar and the way he handled it and how much they had him handle it. there was enough emotions there to bring me back to the moment where my brother went through those emotions and self. I cried then I cried now. But the real question is did they do the topic Justice? yes or no, they did just enough but they could have done more if they actually would cut out the nonsensical cartooniness.
@keirstengrant4132
Жыл бұрын
Umm actually Penny should never be forced to take care of her siblings. She actually should have the right.
@aurahoneydew9607
Жыл бұрын
No need for the sorry the reboot is just awful not a single redeeming factors to it.
@NeedlessExposition
Жыл бұрын
Trying to insist that Bebe is autistic because he’s unaware of how much danger he puts himself in is like trying to say that Mindy from Animaniacs is autistic because she wanders off with no sense of the dangers of her surroundings rather than the fact that she’s a toddler. My mom has written about how she handled my autism diagnosis when she was a young mom and I was three years old back in the early nineties. She talked about my meltdowns over seemingly small things and being overstimulated and how I would calm myself down (an early form of stimming). Also the lack of reaction to stimuli seems more like a nerve block than being autistic because being autistic doesn’t mean you are incapable of feeling things.
@geardog24
Жыл бұрын
This makes me wonder if Oscar himself might be on the spectrum?
@FunFilmFare
Жыл бұрын
Indeed. Maybe that’s why Oscar acted so upset about his son’s diagnosis.
@chasformer3091
Жыл бұрын
I doubt it. He's supposed to be the bumbling dad.
@FunFilmFare
Жыл бұрын
Either that or Trudy could be on the spectrum.
@DrawciaGleam02
Жыл бұрын
I'd like an episode based around that concept! Any show, though, not just Proud Family.
@professorhaystacks6606
Жыл бұрын
While I doubt that was the original intent of his character one could read that into the classic series. At the least I can't think of anything contradicting that.
@robertbrookes2000
Жыл бұрын
Recently I read comedian Fern Brady's autobiography Strong Female Character, which strongly focuses on her life experience as someone diagnosed with autism later in life. It's incredibly informative, emotional and overall powerful. I highly recommend anyone to read it.
@joypawz7654
Жыл бұрын
I don't think y'all would believe me if I said I was just as dangerous as this kid when I was a baby and toddler XDD Context! As a baby and toddler, I was always on the search for death because I didn't know how to talk because my IQ in the puzzle solving, and visual area was extremely high!! Like they had to go check a book or something about it O_O Anyways since I didn't understand how to talk, I didn't know what danger was! That's what I think is going on with this kid probably. Though I can't say I relate to this kid. 1. I haven't watched the episode 2. I am no longer a baby or toddler and actually have a sense of danger! 3. Autism can never be perfectly portrayed since it's a spectrum! Everyone who is autistic have different experiences with being autistic! I personally love being autistic! It's the only me I've ever known, and I love being me! And would never want that to be changed! Autism is different in everyone with sensory issues too! Personally, I despise banana's because of how they taste, smell and feel! And there are those who have much more sensory issues! And people stim in different ways! Autism can never be portrayed perfectly since it's extremely different! As my mom put it (I think it was her I'm not sure) Autism basically means your brain is wired differently! And a brain can be wired in completely different ways from the way it's meant to be! I personally love the fact I am autistic. I've never known a me that wasn't autistic, and I can't imagine what a me that wasn't autistic would be like! Mostly all I know about autism from my mother who helps other parent's homeschooling (she is the best) And I am happy to have learned so much about being autistic from her! There will never be a perfect portrayal of an autistic person but at least people are trying!
@coffeecup1482
Ай бұрын
They could’ve made this into two different episodes at least but they had the opportunity make an episode about asking for help, like penny babysitting for her parents so her parents and grandma could go to a wedding or something and kids being kids making her stressed out and her friends come over and try to help but end up making it worse and when her parents come home and everyone else is gone they could’ve had a very heartwarming conversation about how they’re proud of her and she shouldn’t hesitate to call them because they’re there for her
@nightinthetwilight
Жыл бұрын
Autism isn't just a "sensory disorder" as someone with asperger's you should know better than that, and that it is more encompassing with social issues, lack of facial recognition and even physical issues like chronic digestive issues. Maybe if people didn't simplify autism down to a single point than people wouldn't misunderstand it and put a cartoonified, exaggerated version of the simplification on screen. Just a thought.
@MadMunchkin
Жыл бұрын
I didn't say it was 'just a sensory disorder'. There's obviously a lot more to it than that. But this video was about how the Proud family dealt with representing Autism. Its not a video that is meant to educate people on everything about Autusm. I have more respect for my audience than that.
@professorhaystacks6606
Жыл бұрын
I think the point was that the sensory portion often gets overlooked.
@user-jn4oe9sb5z
Жыл бұрын
In defense of the choice to make a focus on the family; autism and other neurotypical disorders are often not talked about in many POC communities especially the black community. This lack of helpful resources which are either refused by parents themselves or denied access by medical professional who don't diagnose black children and adults with autism due to internal biases is a valid topic for a family show. The comment on how this lack of help will ultimately just negatively affect Bebe himself and Penny who at the age of 14 must care for him without any education on his needs. But this isnt me saying the writers have the excuse to not mention autism again and I do hope we get actually good episodes on Bebe and his perspective. I also don't think this episode was good either. There were hit or miss episodes (and even hit and miss episodes) on social issues in the original series but one thing they always did was make it the main focus of the episode. Imagine trying to portray autism but you think a bunch of gags and references is more important. Smh. good idea, horrific execution.
@user-jn4oe9sb5z
Жыл бұрын
I also want to clarify that I{In My Opinion} briefly discussing the stress that have a sibling, esp a younger sibling, with autism can cause when your parents refuse to get them the help they need or even acknowledge their disability. BUT only when were seeing actual realistic depictions of what autism is. I doubt any of these siblings watching at home can relate when Bebe is literally flying planes through walls and nearly falling to his death. Again smh. I guess they wanted to exaggerate the struggle for us to sympathize with Penny but if you cant even write about a disability or heartfelt issue without turning it into a gag I don't think you should be writing for this kind of episode. If we cut out all those shenanigans and shown an actual realistic incident where Bebe gets into a dangerous situation I still wouldve been able to sympathize with Penny. This "autism made him do this crazy stuff" feels like theyre pushing me to view Bebe as trouble and a burdern which autism is not. Once again the message of the episode is muddled because the writers think catfights and pointless gags require more time.
@NotChanelleLize
Жыл бұрын
The “I don’t have rights, I have two Black parents,” and “What am I going to do Kareem? My parents are going to kill me!” jokes are the same joke and they were written for a specific demographic. Hopefully that’s all I have to say about that to get the point across.
@2244yuy
Жыл бұрын
Well technically you don’t have rights until you’re 18. Like some rights but not those rights.
@MadMunchkin
Жыл бұрын
You have rights from the minute you're born.
@SOLIDShift_VI
Жыл бұрын
When someone says they have 'Asperger's Syndrome' instead of Autism - I instantly know they don't know that "Hans Asperger worked with the Nazis during the Holocaust and his abhorrent descriptions of some autistic children as being less 'worthwhile' than others led to dozens of children being sent to a Nazi clinic, where they were murdered"-- sooo yeaaah. . . On a lighter side note:: Hades' fingers. You now can't unsee it. xDD
@rileyanthony
Жыл бұрын
Also i really wish they had more representation in cartoons with characters who have autism.
@whimsicalgolde
Жыл бұрын
2:30 He FLEW 🤣 I was not expecting that
@Bolbi145
Жыл бұрын
I think mental disabilities should be clearly stated in shows if a character has it since if left unstated, the audience can mistake something like ADHD as just a character being lazy. That said, they shouldn’t just have the characters dump a web md article to explain what it is, like they should just be casual and say “Billy’s got that ADHD thing, go easy on him”.
@Banished420
Жыл бұрын
I'll be honest with I never did like this show and not in a racist way either
@torquetheprisoner
Жыл бұрын
the show is just some Disney pandering crap when it didn't need to be
@lehahiah81
Жыл бұрын
Just this or the original also?
@michaelfireheart8300
Жыл бұрын
Which is fair, we all have different tastes and preferences, but I think we can agree this version of the Proud Family lost most of its original tact, when it comes to these topics. Not saying the original was perfect, but it definitely handled similar topics better.
@mackenziecarver6807
Жыл бұрын
Yeah I know what u mean. The more I see about the show and look back at the original, there’s not much I look back at fondly. Especially penny’s so called friends. Honestly, it’s something I just rather leave it in the past.
@toby.theram2496
11 ай бұрын
Autism is a neurological disorder, not just a sensory one
@amateurcritic6247
Жыл бұрын
I don’t think autism is a gift, or is good or nice or anything. It sucks. It is a disease, it is rarely if ever a good thing. Yes, people with autism can help the world, but that comes from the individual, not the disability. Personally I don’t like seeing people proud of something like autism, but I understand why someone would rather accept themselves than dislike themselves. I know this isn’t a particularly popular view, but my personal experiences with people regarding autism highly influences me, so until something can change my mind, that’s my opinion.
@professorhaystacks6606
Жыл бұрын
Bear in mind ASD diagnostic criterea can be... quite wide. In mild cases, I could see it being seen as a gift in a sense like 'you get A which has an incidental effect of you not getting B.'. I am a bit put off by the broad statement in the video though. When you have someone who can't live on their own it's... hard to see that as a positive thing.
@amateurcritic6247
Жыл бұрын
@@professorhaystacks6606 Some of the worst things about knowing people with autism aren’t about them. They can be awesome kind people, it’s just that there’s a disconnect between you and other individuals that can’t be bridged. Even the most supportive, successful, high functioning autistic folks just can’t operate on the same wavelength as other people. It’s bad enough you have one person who can only speak in word salad and doesn’t understand anything you try to communicate. But it’s also pretty nasty when they’re perfectly capable, if not more capable than you at communicating themselves, but neither you nor they can truly understand each other. It’s like you’re speaking to someone who uses a different language no matter what sounds they make.
@XxVampic_ArtzxX
6 ай бұрын
5:08 gotta be honest the two black parents joke is pretty funny as a black kid
@dranixrush3306
Жыл бұрын
I can't agree with you regarding Penny's forced responsibilities with her siblings. Her parents overly rely on her regarding them. Penny has the right to say no watching over them because they are not her dependants. Her parents seem to be exhausting Penny's time regarding caring for her siblings. Mya for the most part was regarding the twins. Ok, finished the video from where you were talking about Mya (emphasis) and Penny. I definitely agree with mostly everything you said afterwards.
@minespatch
Жыл бұрын
I'm surprised that the baby haven't grown to 5 or 7 in the reboot.
@tavrosnitram1529
Жыл бұрын
theyd have to have penny and the gang in college by that point, and shows hate doing that for some reason, so they kept them as babies
@minespatch
Жыл бұрын
@@tavrosnitram1529 I hate Hollywood's fetishization of High school. I'm fricking tired of High school being glamorized.
@Saltedroastedcaramel
Жыл бұрын
@@minespatchNot even high school. I'm pretty sure Penny and the gang are still in middle school
@optimascrime5235
Жыл бұрын
It's interesting how for the most part the LGBTQI plus community and people of colour are getting great representation in media and if it's not good or handled badly it's rightfully called out for,But you really have to search and look online hard for character's with Autism and that's for one's who are represented well and it's still shocking we are still getting mis representation for people like myself who have autism like it's 2003 instead of 2023...You can theorize and speculate which of your favourite characters are in the LGBTQI plus I community wich I'm all for,But if you dare give characters you think have autism autism head cannon's you will be mocked and ridiculed until the cows come home...And not to metion I went started and finished high school in the late 2010's and I was mocked,made fun of and got ugly stares for even just walking just normally I mind you. Those same people that have finished high school having online accounts and saying they care they fight for rights and they care about this and that which I'm thinking they're full of s@$% because if they did care like they think they do I wouldn't have felt like human garbage and still do sometimes and most not all but some people support certain people and groups to get brownie points on mine and it nowhere reflects the real personality in real life,The one thing I can say about myself is that I didn't peek in high school and kept it real
@chillregular2101
10 ай бұрын
Certain parts of this a lot of ppl won’t understand. It’s a thing for ppl of color and how we all kinda grew up
@Witherflower-v
7 ай бұрын
Aspburgers it’s outdated ,and not the correct term the would be Autism spectrum disorder, and if someone comes after me ,I’m autistic to so please don’t or else I might implode
@Witherflower-v
7 ай бұрын
And I know I pulled a umm actually 🤓
@beepybopbap
7 ай бұрын
I am too autistic, but aspburgers still is a correct term. I myself am on that level explained by the term
@Witherflower-v
7 ай бұрын
@@beepybopbap umm girlie I’m not judging buttttttttttt…. Hans aspburger was complicit with nazis and they named aspburgers after him ,also it’s no longer used officially either
@Witherflower-v
6 ай бұрын
@@beepybopbap also Hans aspburger did this thing where he decided which autistic kids were “worth keeping “” and if not deemed that they would be sent to hospitals famous for killing or doing bad things to their patients ,soo just had to add that too the pile tankks besties
@eeveefennecfox
9 ай бұрын
don't all babies have a climbing phase though and don't some people have higher pain tolerance than others? to me this doesn't explain anything,babies climb,some people have a high pain tolerance
@eeveefennecfox
9 ай бұрын
I'm not in the mood for your shit youtube
@maddikitten1306
Жыл бұрын
This isn't the first time Penny has been a brat. Penny did get asked to babysit Bebe and Cece in the original, I think. It started with Penny being a spoiled brat pitching a fit and making a wish that they'd just grow up. I don't think her parents gave her a heads up then either. Penny whined that she had plans and was stuck on the couch watching the weather man who suddenly became a genie and granted her wish. And it ended with her begging him to change them back from popular teens to being kids again. Please correct me if I missed something.
@tavrosnitram1529
Жыл бұрын
yes, i remember that episode, she wanted to go to a concert, and had the twins dumped on her. iirc her parents *knew* she was going to go to said concert, and made her babysit anyway. in the dream they became teenagers and ended up being much more popular than her simply because they were technically new kids and everyone wanted to be friends with them. they all ended up going to the concert and penny did not have a good time
@DrawciaGleam02
Жыл бұрын
A LOT of people hated that episode...
@TuesdaysArt
4 ай бұрын
You made a good point about CeCe-autism is genetic and it would make sense that BeBe wouldn't be the only one of the Proud kids to be autistic. ASD is statistically underdiagnosed in girls/afab folk because of gender expectations and misogyny (among other reasons). CeCe also being autistic could have an opportunity to show how it might manifest differently in different kids. My brother and I are both autistic, but we're about as different as can be. Hell, Penny could be autistic...but why would Disney want to have a neurodivergent main character who is seen as desirable and has friends? Might as well make only one of the babies autistic-an important enough character to show up regularly, but not important enough for anyone to actually care about.
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