What bothered me most is that after all the things Lyta did for them during the war, helping out Garabaldi , she never even got a "thank you". The only one that bothered to see her going away with G'kar was Zack. Really sad!!!
@InfernosReaper
4 жыл бұрын
What was especially sad was Zack had a thing for her, but told her at a very bad time. He went on assuming she had no interest in him. Maybe things could've been different between them and that could've avoided the stupid season 5 rogue telepaths plot where *no one* will give them a place to be for *no* adequately explained reason. Hell, there was a perfectly habitable planet down below that had previously been used for refugees anyway. I'm sure Zathras and the others would've liked the company.
@trazyntheinfinite9895
4 жыл бұрын
@@InfernosReaper lol yes, give a bunch of emotionally hurt and angry ppl a place on the local superweapon. The teeps were angry, hurt and ready for agressive action. Draal would have never allowed em in.
@SantomPh
3 жыл бұрын
@dark zeratul Draal is a Minbari, not a planet
@andythomason5576
3 жыл бұрын
@@trazyntheinfinite9895 sad but true
@TheSiriusEnigma
3 жыл бұрын
It’s part of the B5 lore. That later became a major issue.
@EugVR6
4 жыл бұрын
B5 was one of the greatest sci fi shows and still is.
@cheeseburgerinparadise7124
3 жыл бұрын
It was game of thrones before the game of thrones
@BarbadosBeerFestival
3 жыл бұрын
Damn right !!
@meerable
2 жыл бұрын
@@cheeseburgerinparadise7124 better
@TheWallReports
Жыл бұрын
💯
@aVerySillyBilly
Жыл бұрын
@@cheeseburgerinparadise7124 you mean last season falling off in quality? oh yes.
@dennish300
2 жыл бұрын
Loved it when Lyta realized part of Kosh was inside Sheridan. And what the shadows had done to him. Never piss off an enhanced telepath.
@raven4k998
8 ай бұрын
you going to do something do it now
@PaladinHero
12 жыл бұрын
The Shadows were always one of the best parts of B5. JMS knew that a compelling story required (at least one) great villain and the Shadows delivered. Very cool of them to keep with the arachnid theme and have the Shadow vessel crumple and wilt like a dead spider. No one quite did intelligent science fiction like Babylon 5.
@Promilus1984
4 жыл бұрын
They were not villains per se. If they are, so were Vorlons. You might not be aware of it or most proud of the fact but large scale conflicts did indeed boom technological advancement in our own history. So knowingly or not biggest world countries followed "Shadow's way" while taking smaller countries under their wings to "learn, obey" much like Vorlons did.
@mithiwithi
4 жыл бұрын
Przemysław Stalmach Antagonists, then. A story needs good antagonists - and indeed the point is that an antagonist doesn't have to be a villain to be a good antagonist. The Shadows were antagonists as soon as they introduced, the Vorlons became so much later.
@mattlemmons6647
2 жыл бұрын
The Shadows were much better antagonists than the Drakh and those creatures in Thirdspace.
@jimjim292
2 жыл бұрын
@@Promilus1984 You are what is colloquially known as "a fascist."
@Promilus1984
2 жыл бұрын
@@jimjim292 Oh... admitting that through conflict we achieved plenty of advancements is fascism now. Well guess what - being blind to obvious truth - that's what is colloquially known as "an idiot" ...
@bthsr7113
4 жыл бұрын
The way they shrivel/crumple on death is both unsettling and oh so satisfying.
@odysseusrex5908
5 жыл бұрын
When I saw the title, I thought it was going to be the first time they encountered a Shadow ship. Delenn was there, and she kind of panicked. She was telling Sheridan, "You can not beat them. They just keep coming and coming!" He looked down at her and said, grimly, "With all due respect Ambassador, I've heard that before." That's one of my favorite scenes.
@MaiAolei
5 жыл бұрын
And the entertainment industry keeps having issues with strong female characters and how to develop them. B5 had them in droves, more than 20 years ago!
@jeffburnham6611
4 жыл бұрын
@MaiAolei they don't have a problem with developing strong female characters, the issue is they're trying to do in 2hrs what B5 did slowly over 5 seasons. Same could be said for any series that ran that long. In fact, in the TV series Buck Rogers in the 25th Century (1979), there was a strong female character in Col Wilma Deering (played by Erin Gray) long before B5 was even a concept, or BSG with Kara Thrace (Starbuck).
@johnh2118
4 жыл бұрын
Yep, back then a woman didn't have to be a "Mary Sue" to be a badass. They fought and bled for their people, not a stupid hash tag.
@InfernosReaper
4 жыл бұрын
@@jeffburnham6611 Nah, the problem is they want to start the characters off as badasses who can do *everything* and *rarely* fail in any big way. Also, Starbuck was a dude in the original BSG and the reboot came out after B5. That said, I kinda wish they had gender swapped Peck with her as well in the A-team movie. It'd be funny, but also interesting to see a female take on that character.
@InfernosReaper
4 жыл бұрын
Is there a reoccurring female in this series that isn't awesome in some way? I guess post-actress swap Na'Toth, because the new actress wasn't bold enough to shine and the writing didn't do enough for the character to make up for that. I think a lot of it has to do with JMS writing *characters* instead of genders.
@susandaniels9733
4 жыл бұрын
InfernosReaper +like Capt.marvel.
@Wyrmshadow
12 жыл бұрын
Patricia Tallman was just so hot during the series. And as Lyta she could be both powerful and vulnerable. She wasn't really an actress by trade. She did most of her work as a stuntwoman.
@nicholasmaude6906
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, she was hot back in the day and still fairly good looking, I got to meet her at an SF expo last year and she's scheduled to back again this year.
@Patriotgal1
4 жыл бұрын
@@nicholasmaude6906 She is still very hot. So is Gates McFaden!
@alexojeda9048
4 жыл бұрын
@@Patriotgal1 As Aquaman said: "Redheads...gotta love them!"
@Mxyzptlksac
4 жыл бұрын
Patriotgal1 funny thing, She was the stunt double for Gates McFadden
@SantomPh
3 жыл бұрын
She was, strangely enough, Nana Visitor's stunt double on ST:Deep Space Nine- the same show that Babylon 5 could have been.
@johnbanks4761
3 жыл бұрын
i love that seeing what they did to kosh, gave her the anger needed
@patmcbride9853
2 жыл бұрын
"I feel your anger. It gives you focus, makes you stronger!" - Senator Palpatine
@PNWJMc
2 жыл бұрын
@@patmcbride9853 GOOOOOOOD
@RobertWilke
2 жыл бұрын
The anger she felt cut through all the fear she had. She was going to make them pay. Given a lil more time in the future she'd have crushed that ship by herself.
@LordTalax
Жыл бұрын
No shadows on that ship however. Just some person they jammed in as a CPU
@jeffers1975
12 жыл бұрын
this is 1 of my favourite scenes when lita discovers through sheridan what happened to kosh and it pisses her off... they described lita in 1 of the later b5 episodes as the telepathic equivalent of a thermo nuclear device.
@skepticalfaith5201
3 жыл бұрын
Yes, but she doesn’t realize that until later. I loved Garibaldi waking up to find her sitting on the end of his bed. “What are u doing here?” “Testing out my power. I never realized .. You shouldn’t be awake.” And then he wakes up again like it was a dream within a dream, but we know (later on if not then) that she really was doing that.
@JonLondrezos
5 жыл бұрын
I had a crush on Lyta. As a character, she was misunderstood and mistreated by the crew. A real shame.
@GORT70
3 жыл бұрын
I still do....
@insertanynameyouwant5311
3 жыл бұрын
@@GORT70 saw her on stream a month ago, she`s still amazing looking. Vorlons did a well job
@LostMercenary99
9 жыл бұрын
Lennier: I think it knows we're here. YEAH NO SHIT SHERLOCK!!!!
@ireneparkin3360
5 жыл бұрын
LostMercenary99 the Mimbari guy behind him slightly wet himself.
@bigbaba1111
2 жыл бұрын
such a great scene. the idea to block the shadow ships with telepathes was genius.
@Foebane72
10 жыл бұрын
I always love the way the Shadow vessels shrivel up and leak ooze once they're punctured! :D
@ExBruinsFan
9 жыл бұрын
Like giant space spiders.
@christosvoskresye
6 жыл бұрын
Like giant space spiders being fried by a magnifying glass.
@girlgarde
6 жыл бұрын
Well, they're organic after all with a soft interior so they're going to bleed and shrivel up when damaged.
@teresaharris-travelbybooks5564
3 жыл бұрын
One of the most exciting scenes, in a series that was full of thrills.
@SaraMorgan-ym6ue
6 ай бұрын
yeah the white star not a match with a shadow vessel in a fair one on one fight but cripple the shadow vessel and it can just barely kill a shadow vessel
@paulbalogh4582
2 жыл бұрын
I thought that was Patricia T. I never watched this how & I have not seen her since Living Dead. She is still stunningly beautiful.
@Volthoom
8 жыл бұрын
And for all her loyal service, all Lyta got in the end was basically..."yeah, hey Lyta, fuck you!".
@KristerAndersson-nc8zo
8 жыл бұрын
+Volthoom So true no wonder she got angry,
@fodxp
7 жыл бұрын
Same with Talia Winters. Psycore fucked her over, too, and eventually dissected her for her potential telekinetic powers. Not that Sheridan gives a fuck about telepaths. I wish they could have had Lyta dive into Talia's mind and purge the reprogramming. The more the merrier.
@Volthoom
7 жыл бұрын
Ehh. Talia thing was, unfortunately, just the actress wanting to get off the show. From what i've read over the years, JMS had bigger plans for the character, bu-ut then life happened.
@fodxp
7 жыл бұрын
Volthoom Damn, I liked her. I would have loved to see those bigger plans for Talia Winters. Oh, well.
@Volthoom
7 жыл бұрын
Honestly, lots of stuff in B5 went wrong because life happened. Keffer character in S2, for example? Added purely because the network wanted a "badass pilot" in the show. JMS never wanted him, didn't know what to do with him, and got rid of him as soon as the opportunity presented itself :D. Not to mention them not knowing if they'd get a fifth season until the very end, which made S4 extremely packed, but left S5 with a sloggy, clumsy Byron plotline.
@AlbertaWildman
10 жыл бұрын
02:17 was one of the scenes that stuck with me long after B5 went off the air, the Shadow Battle Crab slicing the Narn G'Quan class heavy cruiser in half lengthwise. And this took place (1995-1996) when CGI was a lot more expensive and time consuming than it is now. This show and its special effects were way ahead of their time.
@TheH3dgie
8 жыл бұрын
+Dick Sandwich You're right. It was brilliant. Especially it's writing. Now, unfortunately, it's so dated. Not just the special effects, but the acting and the dialgoue.
@AlbertaWildman
8 жыл бұрын
Oh, most definitely. It does show its age, but it was an ass kicker when it was new.
@Volthoom
7 жыл бұрын
+TheH3dgie Not...really, not in my eyes honestly. While the effects themselves have aged, true, the designs are still either solid or exceptionsl - the Shadow cruiser, IMO, is still the single best drawn ship in history of science fiction. And i can't agree with you on the acting\writing either, one can say it's dated, i say it turned into a classic.
@TheH3dgie
7 жыл бұрын
Classics still date and age. Go back and watch a classic movie from the 50's. The acting styles etc are now out dated. It doesnt make it any less of a classic however.
@rcb3921
7 жыл бұрын
The synth music, however, is pretty tough to take.
@leighsaunderson9203
6 жыл бұрын
It was when I first watched it on the original airing on CH4 (UK), and still is, my favourite moment, when Lyta gets the glimpse/imprint of Kosh and basically goes F*ck you. At the time on first airing, shadows had been all powerful which made this so monumental.
@Astrostevo
5 жыл бұрын
Also note how she gets the flashback /connection to Kosh after touching Sheridan - who contains a piece of Kosh too.
@tarron3237
3 жыл бұрын
God I loved Lyta. What an awesome, strong woman. Angry Lyta was really scary. Especially with those black eyes.
@txlyons2937
Жыл бұрын
We all had a crush on Lyta.
@LordTalax
Жыл бұрын
@@txlyons2937 Nah. I preferred Talia Winters, much hotter. Too bad about the hidden personality and all.
@MrBrock314
Жыл бұрын
Nah, Ivanova.
@Lobossumi
5 жыл бұрын
Lyta, my first real redhead crush. Damn i love this character.
@Kalebfenoir
4 жыл бұрын
I still remember a comment later in the series, that Lyta was no longer the mid-level telepath she registered as. That if the telepaths were considered as weapons, you had small arms, large arms, capital class...and then you had Doomsday Weapons. Of which she was one. She was barely waking up to that power when she took on that shadowcrab.
@Wolf-ln1ml
10 ай бұрын
Yep, she had the _potential,_ but no practice or training with those heightened powers. Kind of like having the genetic potential to build up some incredibly strong musculature, but never having exercised so far.
@MasterJediDude
12 жыл бұрын
"I'm alright, I'm alright. Just bleeding from my eyes." LOL
@sdingeswho
4 жыл бұрын
One of the two greatest “don’t mess with our women” moments in Babylon 5! 😎 The other is when Delenn comes out of hyperspace with four Minbari heavy warships to defend the station against the Earthforce squadron. Delenn: [rhetorically] “Why not (attack)?” Only one of your captains has ever survived in battle against the Minbari fleet. *He* is behind me; *you* are in front of me. If you value your lives, be somewhere else 😡.” Fire and Ice, and Hell riding with her! Doesn’t get any better than that, although Lyta’s “They tore him *apart* 😢 ... *burn*, you bastard! 😡” equals it! 😁
@danieldickson8591
4 жыл бұрын
I would have to add a third: Ivanova's "I am Death Incarnate" speech leading the White Star fleet against the Shadow-augmented Earth warships.
@sdingeswho
4 жыл бұрын
Daniel Dickson touche’! Such a strong cast of characters, well-developed, and the women just as strong and detailed as the men! B5 was the best, and still is! 😁
@RobertWilke
2 жыл бұрын
@@danieldickson8591 The Three women in B5 you want on your side. What's that saying Hell has no Fury like a Woman Scorned. Where the guys fight and do ok, these girls go and press the Nuke buttons happily.
@jefftappan3091
Жыл бұрын
What about Claudia Christian's " Who am I? I'm Death incarnate. God sent me" Almost purely Biblical wrath.
@penningtonknickernacker921
8 ай бұрын
And all of this before we got all Woke. Today B5, it'd be all "I don't need no man!" And she'd be a black chinese girl.
@Lubetube111
10 жыл бұрын
Patricia Tallman was a awesome Ginger goddess.
@danielhaire6677
10 жыл бұрын
"And we taught them that even a God King can bleed"
@PtolemyCeasar
10 ай бұрын
I remember when this first aired, the 90's were an amazing time.
@CaptainSeato
2 жыл бұрын
The Shadows failed to take into account that their ships have souls. ...and the Terrans have Gingers.
@Fayanora
3 жыл бұрын
Both the Shadow ships and the Vorlon ships were such a huge influence on me. Such alien looking ships, they're amazing.
@deborahannehart6788
2 жыл бұрын
Agree!!!
@shyone968
4 жыл бұрын
Lyta was awesomee. then they treated her so badly throughout the show. Moving her to smaller quarters, not trusting her. She literally bled tears for them and they wound up kicking her off the station to travel the stars with G'Kar. Heck with her talents she probably could have took G"Kar to the Vorlon homeward.
@dumac6557
4 жыл бұрын
They treated her worse because they saw her as an asset during the shadow world more than a friend. She was incredible useful to them due to her strong telepathic powers, so she was allowed to be on station after the war and not turned into the psy-corp. Then she started to interact with them in a more peaceful setting she was seen more as a liability due to her forming ties with freedom fighting telepathic movements aswell she was not allowed to be a business telepath due to earth and station regulations. The only reason she could support herself was because she made a unholy deal with bexter to be listed in their ranks without having to serve or have any real ties with them in exchange for her dead body whose circumstances must be without psy corps interaction. Anyhow Garibaldi was mind puppet by that time so not surprising he turned her down at that time while the other seemed to think it was easier to ignore her so they could focus on their own agenda. So for me it looks more like the core group never truly viewed her as a friend, she was just useful which is even brought up in the show later on. TLDR: She was never a friend in the core group, she was more viewed as an asset during the war. In peace times with the whole telepath problem she was swepped aside with it as it was an inconvience.
@alexojeda9048
4 жыл бұрын
In later books they turned her into a terrorist which ignited the Telepath War which she died in.
@DavidKnowles0
3 жыл бұрын
@@alexojeda9048 They set that up in the tv show, when she force Garibaldi to build her a army to bring down Psi-corps. In return for removing Bexter control over her.
@dustygrant3043
2 жыл бұрын
Hey thanks FOR showing this from one OF my ALL time favorite shows!!!!!!!!!! Keep up the good work!!!!!!!!!!!! Babylon 5 ruled!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@1andonlyzara
4 жыл бұрын
Keep it going, Mr. Lennier! And by that, I mean cease firing immediately and let the damaged Shadow vessel drift off into space!
@Geoffronn
4 жыл бұрын
lol exactly what I thought
@TheNefastor
4 жыл бұрын
The Shadow ships are easily the creepiest ships I've ever seen in all of science fiction. Comment if you know a creepier ship !
@alexojeda9048
4 жыл бұрын
How about The Reapers from Mass Effect videogames. www.engadget.com/2015/08/26/the-big-picture-reapers-in-gta-v/?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAKF5Yv_uYVVKRpd09jz83dulA3bzhvmBL6t9KVPhCByw69js16SK323KUo7smUaCkkMV0O5HiEXt-fiw8sMyHtnNTaTudowMnL6DiGQL6bWdN9YFix-T9vyXtBMCxB-Zu5BCWZwC1CQBSR6P8-8_o1L909fQxuMrW8i6_Uds3_rv
@TheNefastor
4 жыл бұрын
@@alexojeda9048 not even close. I've killed those guys, remember. I'm not sure I could kill a Shadow.
@williehlert9876
4 жыл бұрын
Absolutely, their strength was absolute!! The ships in the star trek universe from the species 8472 are creepy too. Don't know if they are creepier but I see some similarity
@TheNefastor
4 жыл бұрын
@@williehlert9876 I didn't know about those guys. I've only just started watching Voyages. Their bioships do look creepy, but they are still somewhat identifiable as ships. The thing with the Shadow ships is they are so alien you can't even tell where's the bow, where's the stern, or identify the engines. There's nothing to give a sense of scale or a clue as to how they work.
@BriDog420
4 жыл бұрын
Nothing else SCREAMS IN YOUR MIND as it flies past.
@phantasmo9998
3 жыл бұрын
Strength and anger are a hell of a combination.
@ZadieBear
6 жыл бұрын
This is, by far, one of my favorite episodes of B5
@bojakai2102
2 жыл бұрын
Shadow when they went beyond the rim, left the Drahk and a Cloud Killer Vorlons when they went beyond the rim, left a redhead Vorlons for the win
@tonyroid1
Жыл бұрын
At its time Babylon 5 was the best written show ever. A beginning, a middle and an end. Never been donne. Now we get a reboot. We can only hope.
@teleruin8686
Жыл бұрын
I kinda hope we don't get a reboot. I cannot se how it could be any better than the original tbh. At least not in this decade
@tonyroid1
Жыл бұрын
@@teleruin8686 ..well it's supposedly been scrapped.
@Tespri
6 ай бұрын
don't hope for reboot. So far all reboots of every series have been total waste of oxygen.
@CompactedEgg
12 жыл бұрын
"I'll have to take to take the jump engines off-line... for 20 minutes" The lights dim. Sheridan's ass falls out.
@PaladinHero
10 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I always figured that the Shadow vessels were psychically linked or charged and so telepaths DID exploit their natural vulnerability. And let's not forget Lyta had some Vorlon bits inside her mind (I think that had happened by that point). Also-also, I think this trial run by Sheridan was to try out the telepath tactic, knowing that conventional weapony--even that supplemented and designed by their rivals the Vorlons--would not work, and so they'd hit it with Lyta first to weaken it.
@crazylarryjr
4 жыл бұрын
Like the vorlon vessels, the shadows were organic and highly telepathic. I assume like the vorlons, attached to one individual as well
@NZBigfoot
2 жыл бұрын
Super late reply but meh... dont forget the Shadows ships used other organisms as the main CPU and AI, ie take a organic ship, take a humanoid slot them into the cpu slot and boom you have a organic computer running your ship. Thing is, the organic being that is your core has a brain and mind, which the telepath can interfere with directly even if its just to scramble it enough to make it freeze on the spot for a while. Dont forget the episode where a ton of powerful telepaths including Besters lover were being shipped 'somewhere' and when one got out they started to fuse with the Station thanks to alien tech attached to their heads... those telepaths where heading to become the brand new telepath resistant CPUs of Shadow Vessels version 2, i guess it was Clarks contribution from Earth to Earth Govs new 'allies'. And Lyta being a super telepath was the contingency plan to out do them if they had ever made it to their destination... although that begs the question why didnt the Shadows ask for some Centauri telepaths for cores instead or as well?
@Deidre0000
2 жыл бұрын
Lyta Was so underated and never got the credit she deserved on the show.
@Sliferzero
6 жыл бұрын
Excellent Scenes from a Iconic Sci Fi TV Series people. Thanks.
@TheH3dgie
2 жыл бұрын
Leeta gave everything she had for Sheridan and the war. Then when they were done with her, they threw her aside and forgot about her.
@marcwolf60
6 ай бұрын
Garibaldi: "But the Vorlans needed to create the ultimate telepathic weapon" Lyta: "I'm very pleased to meet you Mr Garibaldi..."
@mitchywilson9892
2 жыл бұрын
Always thought it impressive that a P5 Telepath (a pissed off one) could sustain that much focus to disable a Shadow vessel. Leeta had more juice than she realised (and even more later in the series).
@mattsnow9273
2 жыл бұрын
Lyta Alexander had been "altered" by the Vorlon to exponentially multiply her telepathic abilities years before this but she was just beginning to learn how to tap into that power.
@machinshin2253
Жыл бұрын
Lyta is FAR FAR beyond a P5. She's way beyond a P12 (Psi-cop) even. she tells Garibaldi in S5 that's she's been altered to be the Vorlon's telepathic equivalent of a neutron bomb.
@noneyabis
Жыл бұрын
Did you not watch the show? She was NOT a P5. The Vorlons changed her and THEY are the ones that made her way more powerful than ANY earth psy cop.
@opvjg
Жыл бұрын
Lyta was so powerful that Bester had only one requirement to let her back into Psi-Corps - Bester got Lyta's body when she died.
@snidelywhiplash
9 жыл бұрын
The Shadows evidently never learned an important lesson about humans: Never piss off a badass woman. It rarely ends well.
@roguelead72
8 жыл бұрын
+snidelywhiplash First rule of science fiction, don't piss off the redhead.
8 жыл бұрын
+Wedge Antilles Especially when it's a badass redhead like Patricia Tallman.
@ginsengaddict
7 жыл бұрын
More importantly, never kill the god-like being said badass redhead viewed as a friend.
@jamesspring4610
6 жыл бұрын
snidelywhiplash I like how, at 1.46, it looks like the Shadow vessel seems to 'punch' Lyta, telepathically, and it just makes her angrier. Bad move, Shadows.
@ireneparkin3360
6 жыл бұрын
Remember, Lyta Alexander was enhanced by the Vorlons to unbelievable high PSI level.
@LoneWolf138
10 жыл бұрын
@:50 that is Bill Mumy from "Lost in Space"!
@JakkFrost1
6 жыл бұрын
Yes
@roguishpaladin
4 жыл бұрын
If you haven't watched Babylon 5 and like Bill Mumy, you really should watch it. He's a regular for all 5 seasons and gets some really good moments.
@LorenHelgeson
4 жыл бұрын
I thought he looked familiar.
@robertcartier5088
4 жыл бұрын
@@roguishpaladin whenever Lennier was in any kind of jeopardy, my brain would go, "Danger, Will Robinson! Danger!" lol
@SantomPh
3 жыл бұрын
Bill Mumy, also appeared in Star Trek Deep Space Nine in "The Siege of AR-115."
@BarbadosBeerFestival
3 жыл бұрын
The women characters on this show were written like queens, goddess and warriors. This is how you write female characters peoples!
@aecides3203
3 жыл бұрын
What I loved about this was that they weren't just queens, goddesses and warriors - they could be vulnerable, physically or emotionally. Some could handle themselves in a fight, some couldn't. Some had incredible depths of maternal wisdom, others reacted to vulnerability of any kind as if it was raw sewage. Honestly I find the "all women are powerful goddesses" stories just as annoying in their stereotyping as the "all women are damsels in distress" stories. I don't think Babylon 5 was all that concerned with writing male or female characters, I think they just wrote characters. Take Ivanava - she knows who she is and is comfortable with it. She's a no nonsense, hardarse military officer who does her duty unflinchingly but doesn't let it define who she is in her off hours. As well as that, her hidden telepathy and trauma related to the psi-core giver her a huge amount of vulnerability and emotion that we can identify with. That character is just as powerful and identifiable (in a weird, sci-fi way) whether it belongs to a man or a woman. She's not just some military drone with no personal life shoved into the show for a "women can be soldiers too" message, nor did they feel a need to abandon all femininity and vulnerability to make the character strong. You can actually apply the principle to most Babylon 5 characters, which is unusual for a story - imagine watching the show with every character now of the opposite gender. The storyline still works, plot points don't fall apart and characters aren't suddenly broken. Because they weren't trying to write good men/women, just good characters.
@Deciheximal
5 жыл бұрын
"If we take the engines offline to fire the super burst, we won't be able to jump for 20 minutes." "Do it!" *enemy ship is destroyed* "Hooray, we won!" *Three more Shadow ships pop in*
@BriDog420
5 жыл бұрын
Oops
@michellemurray5196
3 жыл бұрын
you mean four
@MrTatts64
6 жыл бұрын
Definitely going to have to watch the whole lot, all over again :)
@antonmoric1469
5 жыл бұрын
It is one of the best space epics ever, and I am both a SW and ST fan.
@oxoozade
5 жыл бұрын
Again for the 4th time lol
@Pokadot101
4 жыл бұрын
I loved this show as a kid!
@NovaHessia
12 жыл бұрын
And after all this, after all she went through, after all the times she let herself be used as weapon at great pain, after all she contributed to the war, remember how Sheridan treated her after the end of the war? No wonder the telepaths are pissed, given how people treat them. Remember Byron!
@trazyntheinfinite9895
4 жыл бұрын
Wellbyron and his mates were assclowns and lyta did deserve better than.
@InfernosReaper
3 жыл бұрын
It honestly seemed very out of place. I don't get why they would downgrade Lyta like that, especially with how much she helped and how much more should could help. It seems like a character derailment moment for Sheridan and the rest.
@fmlazar
2 жыл бұрын
A monster that helps you out.... is still a monster afterward. And that's how normal people see telepaths. You can look at one and never know if they're going through your head like a thief going through a filing cabinet. Ultimately as seen, Bester IS right, these people ARE the beginnings of Homo Sapiens Superior, Humankind's replacements, and perhaps on a primal level, normals sense that.
@robertlee6373
2 жыл бұрын
I think part of the treatment of Lyra for an upcoming story arc. JMS has hinted about the Telepath War. If Lyta was part of it she would need a reason.
@madquest8
4 жыл бұрын
Legendary show, such a shame the last season sucked and Crusade and the Rangers were both below par as well. Seasons 2-4 of B5 were some of the best sci fi I've ever seen. Just a fantastic story. Basically Lord of the rings in space.
@calkelpdiver
4 жыл бұрын
Crusade was actually decent. Problem was the episodes were shown out of order and the timeslot on TNT (USA) kept shifting. If you can find the script drafts for B5:Crusade episodes 14 & 15 (they only shot 13 episodes) you will see how Galen, the Technomages, Bester & Psi Corp, and Gideon fit into the overall story arc. JMS had them published on a site years ago for a while, but pulled them down when Warner Bros. complained (or so I was told). I wish those episodes had been filmed, but TNT/Warner had already killed the show (and JMS walked away as well).
@aVerySillyBilly
Жыл бұрын
yeah i couldn`t watch any of s5. but 1 to 4 were very strong
@Wolf-ln1ml
10 ай бұрын
Crusade was pretty much sabotaged from the get-go, messed up release schedule, terrible timeslots, worse budget, ... And the first season of B5 wasn't all that much better if you look at it without letting your knowledge of what the show would become interfere. They got luckier with the cast (Londo and G'kar at the very least), but other than that, Crusade had a decent start...
@tsm688
10 ай бұрын
@@Wolf-ln1ml crusade was just dull as hell. somehow they made a series with a moving ship more boring than a series with station sitting still. You're right about cast, that probably had a lot to do with it. I can't even remember who the captain was.
@Raz.C
10 ай бұрын
I've never watched season 5. I try watching the first episode and can never get through it. I like to pretend that it doesn't exist. That there are only 4 seasons...
@marcusbines7965
2 жыл бұрын
Love watching it hard Ave thing and it was just fantastic so pleased it came back
@DavidKnowles0
3 жыл бұрын
The question here is, Lyta was one of the most powerful telepaths the vorlons ever created and struggle to contain a shadow vessel. A group of Narns was able to destroy a fleet of ships with their powers and drive them from Narn. Narns telepaths had to have been more powerful than even Lyta and that is one scary thought.
@matthewcaughey8898
2 жыл бұрын
It’s because she had yet to discover what her limits really were.She needed to push herself farther and farther each time. The more she did the stronger she got. In the end she became the telepathic equivalent of a planet killer
@GemmaHentsch
10 ай бұрын
This was Lyta who was still growing in power…and this was the first time she’d tried this… The shadow ships were also on the ground…
@AliceTolson
11 ай бұрын
I remember this episode..great show. ❤
@andrewshaughnessy5828
10 ай бұрын
"BURN, you bastard!" Patricia Tallman put such controlled fury into that one line!😁
@Sang1957
5 жыл бұрын
The Shadow ship looked like spider killed with a blow-torch....
@User5973
12 жыл бұрын
"I think it knows we're here." And the genius of the year award goes to.....
@bluedwarf8858
2 жыл бұрын
This show was so well written, casted and thought out, it deserves to be on par with star trek and star wars. But I wasn't too keen on the season with the telepath war.
@BriDog420
2 жыл бұрын
The part where they set Byron on fire was the best part!
@SonnyBubba
2 жыл бұрын
That whole season was not part of the original plan. The end of the series was supposed to be Sheridan returning to earth and defeating President Clark at the end of season five. But, halfway through production of season four there was still no commitment on renewal, and so JMS decided he needed to wrap up his main story because he might not ever get a fifth season.
@Mecha82
10 жыл бұрын
Even Shadows can't mess with Lyta.
@fodxp
10 жыл бұрын
too bad the most of the crew ignored the fact she was a person, too. What pissed me off the most was how they only seemed to be interested in Lyta if it served their own purposes; otherwise, they largely ignored her. What really chapped my ass was when Sheridan told Zak to kick her out of her Blue level apartment because they needed the space for some bullshit money problems. After all the shit she did for him during the Vorlon/Shadow War and the Earth War. They totally ignored all the fucking psychic trauma she had to go through in telepathically interacting with Kosh's dick replacement, having a hand in getting Kosh 2.0 killed, and tele-locking shadow vessels. I loved this show as a kid, but as an adult, the only thing ruining the show for me now is Sheridan. Dude's a self righteous, narcissistic jerk. She ended up having to rejoin Psycorps thanks to Sheridan.
@comradetortoise
10 жыл бұрын
Fodxp hatesgoogle Well... there is a reason she goes... "political activist". Even the people who dont actively hate telepaths wont stick out their necks for them most of the time. There are some really good parallels with race and gender/sexual orientation issues. "Oh yeah... sorry we were such dicks before. But its all over now" "Uh. Wut? Between helping you win your civil war AND living under poor conditions our lives are kinda fucked. Can we get some help?" "Oh... about that. Peace treaty required throwing you under the bus." ".... You know what. Screw this, and Screw You." Reminds me of the treatment of the Gurkhas prior to 2008, actually. "Hi Gurkhas, thanks for helping us fight the Nazis" "Yeah, no problem. Hey, can we, by chance, come live in the UK? I think we have earned it." "What? Oh, um... well... here's the thing, Nepal is independent now. I know colonial rule made it a dirt poor place, but it is all yours now!" "Wait, but... we volunteered to fight for you in your army, does that not entitle us to immigration rights? It seems to us that it would considering your laws about that sort of thing..." "What? No."
@fodxp
10 жыл бұрын
comradetortoise I know right?! It was terrible the way telepaths were treated in this show, and as an adult I realize this was a deliberate parallel with real life segregation and mistreatment of certain peoples. However, it really hit me that Lyta was so completely and utterly used like some tool or weapon without even considering her feelings or well being. God damn; Sheridan had a part of Kosh in him, Garibaldi had feelings for Talia Winters, and Zak had a major crush on Lyta, so WTF?!
@daniels7907
9 жыл бұрын
Fodxp hatesgoogle This was the major flaw in Sheriden's storyline as the hero. He treated the telepaths as tools, weapons and not as people. For ANYONE else he would do ANYTHING! He demanded that Earth release Mars as part of the terms of the treaty. But he left the telepaths in Psi-Corps hell. Worse, all the warning signs that the Telepath War was coming were glaringly obvious and he openly ignored them. He could have at least offered rogue human telepaths sanctuary on Minbar or other ISA worlds. But he couldn't be bothered because he didn't need them anymore. If he needed telepaths he could get them from the Minbari. So he left the human telepaths with no help at all.
@fodxp
9 жыл бұрын
***** This exactly. I +1 your comment as it reflected my opinion exactly.
@thenuclearsandwich
Жыл бұрын
Never mess with a red headed telepath. 🤣
@JnEricsonx
Жыл бұрын
:::Jean Grey is nodding:::;
@michaelholomek5026
3 жыл бұрын
This is how we are to treat what is evil, punch right through it! Ephesians chapter 6
@mikewalsh7183
2 жыл бұрын
MOST DEFINITELY LOOKING FORWARD TO THE B5 REBOOT!!!👊👊👊
@efetherman
11 жыл бұрын
the concept was first introduced in 'Gateway' by Frederick Pohl. as the Assassins. A race of machines who didn't want other races to advance past a level.
@paulh1194
10 ай бұрын
I always thought, that when the shadow war was over, it lost some of its magic. I still enjoyed the series after they, and the vorlons had left the universe, but just not quite as good as before. Still, it was the best TV sci-fi series out there at the time and I can't tell ya how BIG a Star Trek fan I used to be.
@ariaflame-au
6 ай бұрын
Issues when the powers that be tell you you need to wrap things up in season 4 and then give you a fifth season after it
@gd3369
Жыл бұрын
i love the part when she learns that it was the shadows that killed ambassador kosh ... and then she got real pissed .... AND HELL FOLLOWED WITH HER ... lol
@Vikashar
3 жыл бұрын
She really loved Kosh. Wow.
@JnEricsonx
3 жыл бұрын
@ Well holy shit.
@kitsinu1
Жыл бұрын
Nicely done Mr. Lanier.
@SpringIsBACK
9 ай бұрын
Very cool, how it must be that bit of Kosh still in Sheridan that Lyta is able to grab onto, steady herself, and then focus...
@ethenallen1388
6 жыл бұрын
Two things annoyed me about the last episode in the Babylon 5 Series: I did NOT want to know what happened to Sheridan after he left B5 for the last time and there was no mention of Lyta.
@miles2378
6 жыл бұрын
Ethen Allen they wrote books on the telepathy war.
@suchiuomizu
5 жыл бұрын
Not on the war itself. There was the Psi-Corps book trilogy though, the end of which revealed a bit about the aftermath of the war.
@VeritasAbsoluta
Жыл бұрын
I just realised where I recognise her from. She was in Night Of The Living Dead.
@txlyons2937
Жыл бұрын
And Jurassic Park, and Star Trek -- as a stuntwoman. Patricia Tallman had an action-packed career. And she still looks good today!
@dirdib69
3 жыл бұрын
"I'm sorry, Captain, I misread the sensors. The Shadow Vessel is actually come in on 'Say Hello' vector." "Thanks for the great work, Lyta. I'm still going to abandon you and treat you like shit in Season 5, though. Just sayin'."
@porpus99
12 жыл бұрын
"I think it knows were here" Well, its kinda hard to miss a big blue funnel shaped exit aperture from Hyperspace
@sugarsaint
7 жыл бұрын
Vorlons didn't take lightly to that terrible murder of kosh. something along the lines of exterminating all living shadows and all the planets and races they have touched. and they had the CHEEK to call the 3rd space aliens demented !!
@epiendless1128
5 жыл бұрын
The Vorlons didn't go psycho until Sheridan nuked Za'ha'dum. Even then, they weren't interested in exterminating the Shadows, but destroying their influence. The Vorlons wanted to prove that they were right, and the trouble with killing your enemy is that they're not around to know that you won..
@roguishpaladin
5 жыл бұрын
Lyta was the one who didn't take the murder of Kosh lightly. Note how she deals with Ulkesh after Kosh is killed. Kosh was more than a boss to her, and I think that she loved...it? I have no idea if Vorlons are gendered, but I suspect not (like angels are in mythology).
@suchiuomizu
5 жыл бұрын
They were essentially energy beings at this point. If they still had gender it was not biological, but something purely mental/psychological/societal. Long ago they presumably had genders but it is unknown how long ago that was or if any of the current Vorlons were old enough to have previously had physical form (though it possible as the Vorlons live a very long time, possibly immortal).
@PaladinHero
10 жыл бұрын
True. I guess the whole telepath angle weakened the Shadows in a way that brought them down to our level? That's the only thing I can think of that makes the power creep aspect work. You make a good point.
@ops12able
5 жыл бұрын
The pilots of Shadow vessels were drastically altered humans who were blended with their ships. She probably sensed the horror of their making.
@FactRzerO
10 ай бұрын
This is like someone smashing the crap out of my Amiga with the video toaster box. I just can't.
@GarlicPudding
12 жыл бұрын
When Shakespeare said "hell hath no fury like a woman scorned" he wasn't kidding...
@Sang1957
6 жыл бұрын
At the end the Shadow ship looked like a burned up spider...
@stalwart56k
11 ай бұрын
Patricia Tallman was so great and is so beautiful. I hated how the ended her character's story toward the end of the series, but such is life in episodic fiction.
@yvc9
2 жыл бұрын
Miss Tallman is the cat's meow
@Skarrz72
3 жыл бұрын
Jump engines go offline, lighting gets dim, "Danger Will Robinson! Danger!"
@InfernosReaper
3 жыл бұрын
Yes, that is who plays him... It's glorious.
@sunnchilde
13 жыл бұрын
If they had tried to escape in to Hyperspace the Shadow would have just followed them. Battle in Hyperspace? Not a good idea. If you're going to fight, you'd better do it here. If you're in Hyperspace, lose your computer and lose track of where the beacons are - they will never find you or your ship. And YOU - you get the added fun of slowly starving to death.
@InfernosReaper
4 жыл бұрын
That's honestly more of an issue with ships that are too damaged to get out or don't have the ability to make jump points in the first place. Either way, very dangerous.
@alexojeda9048
4 жыл бұрын
That's what I loved about B5. They made hyperspace this thing that wasn't an instant get out of trouble gimmick like in Star Wars. They gave it gravitas.
@TheJoeSwanon
5 жыл бұрын
She’s so hot lol
@Handmethekeys
5 жыл бұрын
Yep
@IIISentorIII
Жыл бұрын
20 minutes in space is a long time relative to where you are right now 😁
@hoppermantis
10 жыл бұрын
Agreed ! And Sheridan's lack of commitment with her and her kind was shameful.
@LostCylon
2 ай бұрын
Damn, but that brings back some memories
@Egobyte83
7 жыл бұрын
And after this.. every other White Star was suddenly equipped with that rather improvised "focused, continuous burst"...
@jimjohnston5719
7 жыл бұрын
White Stars were partially Vorlon tech. Sentient in the degree the ship evolved. One can assume they can communicate with each other, so that such evolutions are consistent and constant across their entire fleet.
@Egobyte83
7 жыл бұрын
Jim Johnston Alright, I'll buy that. Lennier even says that in "War Without End part 1" that the White Star "learns from experience, changes, evolves". Seems plausible.
@JakkFrost1
6 жыл бұрын
Well one assumes they said "Hey guys, this worked, let's retrofit all our other ships to be able to do this on demand!"
@epiendless1128
5 жыл бұрын
How was this improvised? Always looked like a normal function of the ship to me.
@roguishpaladin
5 жыл бұрын
MetallSwede Also bear in mind that this was before the reveal of the full White Star fleet. Up until this point, not including the graphic novel with the 3 prototypes, there was "The White Star". The engagement in this video happens in 'Walkabout' while the full fleet reveal doesn't happen until 'And the Rock Cried Out, No Hiding Place'. Refitting their weapons with the most effective attack mode just before their unveiling over a few months would make sense.
@uss_04
4 жыл бұрын
All we need is an SFX remaster and we got it.
@AmNeuberg
10 жыл бұрын
Ich liebe Sie alle !
@larrystehle3729
3 жыл бұрын
The Shadow vessel looks like a burnt spider..
@richarddavis4954
Жыл бұрын
for its time , the best sci fi on tv
@aaronbittner7356
4 жыл бұрын
Loved Pat Tallman in this series.
@Dowlphin
3 жыл бұрын
What are nonstandard minutes? And was there any risk by Sheridan of confusing them?
@TheKingTywinLannister
2 жыл бұрын
Great scene. However it makes me insane why they didn’t open fire immediately after shadow vessel froze down? Every second counts. And also attacking them would help her to fight shadow vessel mentality. They risked too much that she would get tired and ultimately get destroyed cause of long wait
@someb0dy2
2 жыл бұрын
Actually it should not have frozen, since inertia should still have moved the shadow vessel forward, even if everything in it was shut down. Considering how well the rest of the series / ships are done and shown to move, this was an interesting choice to show the ship as "frozen". Frozen in fear at a teep trying to probe it maybe?
@tsm688
10 ай бұрын
come to think of it, how do the shadows even move? no rockets...
@pendraco2000
6 жыл бұрын
See, this is why you don't piss off a telekinetic.
@JnEricsonx
5 жыл бұрын
Telepath. Though Lyta wound up being a TK too.
@protorhinocerator142
3 жыл бұрын
When they reboot this show (like they did with BSG) I'd like to see them up their game on the CGI. That's one of the few areas where this show doesn't stand up over time. Make those Shadow ships super menacing by today's standards. "A cross between a spider and your worst nightmare." Make this happen, In Valen's name.
@mattlemmons6647
2 жыл бұрын
I think the design they used would work great, just with a more realistic render.
@LordTalax
11 жыл бұрын
"Keep it going" *beam shuts off*
@michellemurray5196
3 жыл бұрын
Because the whitestar ran out of energy and that's why it turned off
@nicholasmaude6906
2 жыл бұрын
This clip reminds me of what a hottie Patricia Tallman is and I've got to meet her several times at SF conferences and at 65 she's still a babe.
@robo2729
4 жыл бұрын
B5 was awesome, my only complaint About the writing was how lyta and the telepaths got screwed over.
@williehlert9876
4 жыл бұрын
That was the entire point of the telepath concept from the future, paranoid normals afraid of the emerging abilities of the evolutionary process, if the telepaths were treated humane then the concept of the control of telepaths would not have endured thu the all the seasons!!
@sonnymeadows65
9 ай бұрын
B5 was certainly one of the best sci fi shows, possibly because it was made by a single guy rather than by a team of writers, ensuring consistency and credibility. It now looks dated and it would be great if JMS could reboot the series with modern effects. BTW I once sent a fan email to him decades ago and was surprised and delighted when he replied. I wish I'd kept it.
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