I want to say thank you so much for that final section. I was that kid who was told by game critics that the stuff he grew up with sucked, that it wasn't ""refined"" enough, and you putting that experience into words really resonated with me. You're one of the best video essayists around, keep it up!
@havneby
Жыл бұрын
In conclusion: Bioshock Infinite is a game about how video essays are the next stage of artistic expression
@phatle2089
Жыл бұрын
I genuinely don't know how you can play video games, if you're being earnest and fair, and say it's not art. It's... so absurd, bordering on deranged
@CrunchyCrumbles
Жыл бұрын
"brony phase to seem interesting" is one of the realest things anybodys ever said
@Obiwancolenobi
7 ай бұрын
I was in college when that stuff happened - this wasn't limited to children
@youtubeuniversity3638
Жыл бұрын
Someone needs to make a literal Citizen Kane Video Game adaptation at some point.
@pumpkinlemonadezero9995
Жыл бұрын
I am really glad for the 7R recognition. The game gets a lot of praise, sure, but mostly about how amazing it is as a cinematic experience or how faithfully it adapted beloved parts of the original. The perspective of how brilliantly it uses its status as a "remake" to show how far you can take a reimagining of a classic work in a world obsessed with nostalgia fueled remakes, reboots and sequels is one I wish more people talked about.
@raphaelmarquez9650
Жыл бұрын
Didn't the remake also get lambasted by fans for being yet another of Nomura's convoluted storytelling?
@5hawnEX
Жыл бұрын
Good ass video that talks about way more than you'd think. Always good stuff from you bossman
@curtain_fire
Жыл бұрын
You did great bro!
@NunSuperior
Жыл бұрын
The Citizen Kane of video games is modded Skyrim.
@saulitix
Жыл бұрын
Honey wake up, Dunc uploaded a new feature length documentary about a videogame
@VioletSadi
Жыл бұрын
“Now, there's this about cynicism, Sergeant. It's the universe's most supine moral position. Real comfortable. If nothing can be done, then you're not some kind of shit for not doing it, and you can lie there and stink to yourself in perfect peace.” ― Lois McMaster Bujold, Miles Errant made me think of your final words about game smashing reviewers
@youtubeuniversity3638
Жыл бұрын
Good use of projector.
@ConeCvltist
Жыл бұрын
Fantastic video Dunc. Happy to have been able to contribute!
@curtain_fire
Жыл бұрын
#ConeSweep
@TheRetroPerspective
Жыл бұрын
Metal Gear Solid 4 is the Paul Blart Mall Cop of video games.
@AG147Requiem
Жыл бұрын
Bioshock Infinite Some may call it, a mixed bag...
@Cunt143
Жыл бұрын
wish this video was infinite
@MontyZander
Жыл бұрын
I had a lot of fun with this - praise the algorithm!!
@AlwaysBetOnDunc
Жыл бұрын
oh damn! When I was researching this video, I watched and read literally every Bioshock Infinite critique I could (partly because it was kind of important for the point I wanted to make, partly because I wanted to make sure I wasn't stepping over anyones toes) and I bumped into your cool video about it as a result, so it was neat to see this comment, it all comes full circle in a way. Thank you for the support!
@EnidTheGamesNihilist
Жыл бұрын
@@AlwaysBetOnDunc fwiw i actually bounced off of montys vid for not being as critical as I'd hoped and thought appropriate but your vid nailed it!
@thavs
Жыл бұрын
I am replay the game right now after playing it for the first time 7-years ago. I've been looking for an essay for it for so long!!
@rohankishibae4034
Жыл бұрын
Great video as always. I still would like to replay this thing one day, even considering all the scriptwriting atrocities it has committed. Not sure if I'm just nostalgic for simpler times or plain stupid
@SleepyMatt-zzz
Жыл бұрын
I replayed this game about a month before this video was made. It was one of those games that never left too much of an impression on me during release, but it still lingered in my mind for some time. I felt a bit of a disconnect between how I thought about the game in 2013, and the praise it received. Upon replaying it, I started to understand why it didn't really click for me, and its largely to do with the fact that I'm not American, I didn't know much about American history, and that I've never been a fan of time travel narratives. It feels like this game came a few years too early. Everyone I talked to and read about at the time didn't focus on elements of the game that related to systemic racism, what the game is ACTUALLY ABOUT, instead they focused on the time travel elements, and how "smart" it was without much elaboration. Kind of like how people talked about Rick and Morty when the first season was released. It honestly baffles me how the game's central themes still flies over people's heads to this day. Bioshock Infinite is literally about MANAFEST DESTINY IN THE SKY for crying out loud! If anything, it shows how backwards America has become. If this game was released today, legions of players would be complaining about how "woke" it is, similar to what people did to Farcry 5 a couple years after the Bioshock Infinite released. I'm going to stop here because I could (and have) write an entire essay on its game. Despite how frustrating the game makes me feel, it deeply fascinates me. Great video. I laughed out loud when you compared the timeline with horseshoe theory.
@a_brodo3158
Жыл бұрын
55:48 hahahaha the Marlow Briggs shout out
@mangomation3945
Жыл бұрын
"...coined by matthewmatosis, before it was regurgitated by the masses for a decade." Ah, the ol' Dark Souls II special. Wouldn't wish that fate on even the shittiest of games.
@gorimbaud
Жыл бұрын
as a final fantasy fan, i'm glad to hear someone else finally admit that yes, all of them are good, you can play any game in the series and have a good time
@youtubeuniversity3638
Жыл бұрын
My thoughts: Art is when two people can disagree on if you succeeded or failed and both be right. Art's not a compliment.
@KennyFrierson
Жыл бұрын
The projector brought this video to a 9.5
@somename1191
8 ай бұрын
19:09 Omg thank you so much for bringing this up I remember watching this back then when i was like 14 and thinking it was so intellectual Watching it now it's so hilarious, like bro didn't get his Jim Crow sim so now he's gotta throw the n-slur!?!?
@shrek18
Жыл бұрын
Dude your editing skills are amazing
@zazazazzz
Жыл бұрын
I am not a fan of this re-appropriation of Matthew as being this 4chan-adjacent edgelord. My interpretation of Matthew's point was not that Infinite was failing to meet some N word racism quota, it was that there was a dissonance between the game's setting and what was an incredibly prolific word that would have seen more usage in the time period. It feels reductive to suggest that the takeaway was "Matthew is directly correlating the quality of the game with the number of N words dropped", when it can be a valid critique of a piece of media's world building. Of course he is not above critique but I feel the need to speak against what I see as bad faith interpretations of Matthew's video. Maybe I'm just biased though Matthew is was one of my favs (banger video btw)
@jman2856
11 ай бұрын
A decent chunk of Matthew’s fans are 4chan adjacent edge lords considering Matthew isn’t up front about his politics which tends to attract 4chan edge lords. I like Matthew as well but his new stuff is way less reactionary and more humble compared to his old stuff especially his Infinite video which half of it comes off as toxic Gamergate jargon.
@MrDeothor
Жыл бұрын
7:45 Oi, bullet storm was fun! :
@resident-evil-jerma5389
Жыл бұрын
i love bioshock and bioshock 2, in order to love bioshock though i need to ignore ken levine. because all three games ARE political, maybe he didn’t want any of them to be. BUT THEY ARE. bioshock obviously attempted to be, to everyone BUT ken levine. who only really acknowledged that it was sort of about israel kind of and that was it. the thing with objectivism and racism and fascism is exploring those ideas SHOWS that they’re bad. the rebelling force against objectivism in the first bioshock is really just objectivism disguised as leftism, so both sides can be bad cuz they’re the same side. but levine didn’t want to do that again, so instead he made a strawman antiracist that doesn’t exist. bioshock 2 is good and political and manages to explore collectivism that just covers up cult-like dictatorship, it’s got so much heart, it’s got good combat and the BEST DLC EVER MADE. and what does it lack? ken levine. he’s talented for sure but he seems to hate games more than he likes them and that shit hurts to see as someone who’s favourite game is bioshock and who got into leftism and games because of it. genuinely, i was like 12 when i played it i didn’t really know what politics were i couldnt even write a properly formatted essay.
@amphibiousRV
Жыл бұрын
Donating a view even though I haven't played BioShock Infinite yet and don't want spoilers. I'll come back to actually watch in another ten years!
@melekdurmaz651
Жыл бұрын
Amazing video! I love the final conclusion and how positive it is. I never played Bioshock but was well aware of the hype when it came out. And when I played the first Bioshock a few years ago I was dissapointed that all the ‚political commentary’ I was promised was nowhere to be found. It was just a shooter with philosophy sprinkled on top like sesame seed over salad. It didn‘t influence the ‚taste‘ of the game all that much (insert something about ludo-narrative dissonance here). How you use the projector is really cool as well. I hate that youtube hid that video from me for 4 days…
@Ziklawz
11 ай бұрын
Great video man, i learned some new things about the medium and was left with some powerful stuff to think about. I remember enjoying Bioshock Infinity well enough, but after ending it felt that something was missing. I would go back and forth, both liking the gameplay and narrative and shiting on it, maybe i had a little horseshoe going on as well.
@EnidTheGamesNihilist
Жыл бұрын
Congrats on making the best critique of BioShock infinite on YT
@WannabeMarysue
Жыл бұрын
👀 going to rewatch the old Errant Signal video in preparation for this
@ullukind101
Жыл бұрын
The video only having 1.8K views in 12 days is fucking criminal man. Your videos deserve a lot more views.
@Ayahuasca98
Жыл бұрын
Glad you complimented Gamera
@kenpanderz
28 күн бұрын
A is bad. doing anything noticeable about A is also bad. A is fine, actually. - politics in mainstream media
@youtubeuniversity3638
Жыл бұрын
38:17 ...if Boxing can be a Martial *ART* then sports can be art too buddy. Tennis as Art.
@AlwaysBetOnDunc
Жыл бұрын
Oh definitely, art is complex and drawing lines anywhere is usually incredibly stupid. I considered having a small segment about this but decided against it because the video was already too big and I don't think it added to the points I wanted to make. However if you're interested in this style of analysis, I'd recommend Beyond A Boundary by C. L. R. James, It's a memoir on Cricket by a Marxist author about the cultural and societal impact that Cricket had on people, it's a good read!
@kajw.230
Жыл бұрын
dunc with another banger 🎉
@ichnichdu4200
Жыл бұрын
yoooo, youre making great videos, i almost watched it all in a day. you got a great humor!!
@VANNO.
Жыл бұрын
Love the style and creativity of the projector.
@NuStiuFrate
Жыл бұрын
What a good presentation! Jesus, the work that went into this. The game doesn't deserve this much effort. Forgot when the hell i subscribed or why but i'm glad i did.
@АлексейЕрошкин-ш9ш
Жыл бұрын
I'm sure that it's an opposite to what he tried to say, but now I want to play it even more.
@AlexaLily
Жыл бұрын
Great video!
@Arkayruz
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this.
@That1svini
2 ай бұрын
This video is so good its disgusting it has so little views
@bluesteelbass
Жыл бұрын
Great outlook! Did not realize how lowly movie critics thought of video games. Watching a movie passively, or interacting with a story in a game? I'll take the latter and have some sort of brain activity thank you. Oh no, you buried the game for some poor fool to stumble across later and possibly play it?!? How cruel! 🤣
@gibby9012
Жыл бұрын
Good video
@youtubeuniversity3638
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for not using I cards.
@nomodz4real
Жыл бұрын
Thaaaats why I don't like Far Cry 5
@Veep_The_Goblin_Hermit
Жыл бұрын
Wait who are you? Edit:
@AlwaysBetOnDunc
Жыл бұрын
I am Duncan. Thank you for your question, I hope this answer was satisfying
@notyourbro4936
Жыл бұрын
great video!! dying to know why jason schreier blocked u on twitter tho lmfao
@AlwaysBetOnDunc
Жыл бұрын
If I remember correctly, I referred to him as "Neil Degrasse Tyson" once when he tweeted about everyone making jokes about how Andrew Tate was caught by Pizza boxes (supposedly this wasn't the truth)
@Himan1372
Жыл бұрын
WHAT DO YOU MEAN A SCRIPT THIS ISNT ALL IMPROV WHY DID YOU LIE TO MEEEEEEE
@austindyer9795
Жыл бұрын
This channel is incredible.
@nicholaszacharewicz693
Жыл бұрын
This is fantastic. Thanks for making it!
@bocesyoutube4959
Жыл бұрын
Fukien great video man
@Greener221
10 ай бұрын
Weren't the Vox all supposed to be white?
@sagewaterdragon
Жыл бұрын
I've disagreed with you about Matthew's video (and, somewhat more generally, this game) for years, but it's really nice to see all of it brought together in this way. I agree that Infinite is clumsy, though I don't think that using art to present an emotional or political tapestry and asking the audience to do with it what they will is inherently invalid. Similarly, I think there's an impulse to read into art we disagree with as saying something we agree with poorly. Some meaningful contingent of Persona fans are frustrated by how those games handle their social issues poorly, thinking of it as badly-done progressive art and not the fairly standard conservative writing it's always been. I don't think that it takes an hour of mining away at the Bioshock games to realize that they're fundamentally centrist art, and I don't think you can really rationalize the people who enjoyed it out of having an emotional reaction to it. It's cool to dislike Infinite, disagree with its politics, say it's poorly-written or poorly-designed, I don't really mind any of that. I just think it's a bit strange to treat a director saying "this is the kind of game that I want to make" as a gotcha. Irrational didn't really fuck up and accidentally tell those stories, and those weren't, like, leaked text messages from Ken Levine - they're what he, and a whole collection of (usually American) narrative designers think video games are uniquely great at conveying. Note: none of this matters, as the point is that you think it's kind of a fundamentally disgusting work, not that it's an Objectively Bad one, and thinking it says bad and harmful things is all you really need to present to make that sound. Note (2): Final Fantasy VII Remake fucking rules and is four hundred times the game that either Bioshock is.
@TerryVideoZone
Жыл бұрын
wow!!!!
@havneby
Жыл бұрын
🤪🤑 me when I receive all the fame from this video
@skippycoulter
Жыл бұрын
Sorry to comment only 2 minutes in but doing a brony phase to be more cool/interesting is wild. No hate tho.
@TheJakeL152
Жыл бұрын
more like bioshock infishit
@biz0unc3
Жыл бұрын
I want to play CvS2 with S-groove.
@HellzSaint28
Жыл бұрын
Matthew had bigger brain take
@side1981
Жыл бұрын
The game play is fine in the Bioshock games but the art direction is fucking on point. The Bioshock games would be so much worse if the did not have good art direction.
@cookieface80
Жыл бұрын
Real art wouldn't be afraid to use a fucking word.
@SardonicSays
Жыл бұрын
Oh man as somebody who put out a longform essay about how shit the Burial at Sea II DLC is, if you think infinite proper is a confused centrist mess, you really are gonna hate the DLC. Like, you mention Fitzroy as the only black character with agency, but if you play the DLC they retcon her agency away completely. It bad. It real bad.
@AlwaysBetOnDunc
Жыл бұрын
as I have now played through it, I can confirm, yeah it's just wall to wall baffling attempts to both justify some of the events in the main game and connect it back to "Bioshock" I didn't cover it at the time because I don't think it changes the main points I wanted to make in the video (that being centered around the initial fervour around the game) but I just feel like yes that does need to be said. just bizarre
@SardonicSays
Жыл бұрын
@@AlwaysBetOnDunc Absolutely!
@mahalo_mossy
Жыл бұрын
Ngl the Mathewmatosis segment had very "Man Always Gets Little Rush Out Of Telling People John Lennon Beat Wife" kinda vibes. Completely disagreed with his egregious use of a slur and the argument around it but I think trying to address this point with a kind of comedic tone was misguided. You come across as positively giddy to talk about this "funny punchline" between you and your friends centered around some white guy saying a racial slur. Having the clip play in the video, and having you linger on the point for as long as you did, with all the details laid out with all caps text on screen to emphasise how outragous it all is, made me feel a lil uncomfortable. Like, it's a pretty hateful term, I feel like regardless of context the fact that someone said it is not especially funny? Even if the context for it's use is as absurd as someone talking about a video game online.
@AlwaysBetOnDunc
Жыл бұрын
Hi, I was gonna leave the comments for a bit because I'm about to go on Holiday in about an hour but I felt like I should respond to this comment just so you could understand my creative process and why I covered it in this way (sorry if this feels a bit rushed as a result of that). I think it is weird, it is uncomfortable, which is exactly why I chose to cover it in the way I did, Bioshock Infinite is a fraught poorly written piece of fiction that fumbles the bag on racism. There's no getting around that. So when covering Matthew's review, there are a few ways of going about it. I could just brush past it and cover the rest of the video which wouldn't feel right for me at least because this is the criticism he chooses out of the gate. I could treat it with a seriousness uncharacteristic of the rest of the video, which I feel would end up only really serving to look awkward, and weird and putting the critique on an odd pedestal that I don't think it deserves. Or I could do what I did, which was treat it with the tone I do think it deserves, It's an incredibly bizarre review and point to make and I really do feel that focusing on that and pointing out the absurdity that this foundational piece of criticism on the game (while it only passed 1 million views recently, a few of its points have ended up seeping through to so many peoples ideas of the game) opens with this point is the only way I personally could have covered it. The reason I chose it as an example is that it highlights just how insane a lot of reviews responding to reviews end up being, it's the most pertinent example in any Bioshock Infinite review positive or negative that I know of. It is a hateful term, there's a reason I chose not to say it entirely in the video and completely omit Matthew's Usage of it from the clip. And People have criticized this clip before, I've seen multiple tweets and videos joking about it but nobody's ever really attempted to tackle it head-on (most responses I've seen were, "He shouldn't have said it but he makes a point" which evidently I don't think so) before which I thought would be interesting. Long story short, I feel to treat it with a seriousness that doesn't fit with the rest of the video would be inauthentic and I chose to cover it in this way because it was the only way that felt like it was actually meeting it at it's level. Thank you for your comment regardless.
@mahalo_mossy
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your response and for giving your perspective. I appreciate it isn't an easy topic to tackle in a video like this and, while I don't necessarily agree with the approach you took, I can understand where you were coming from. There's been tons of throwaway posts referring to Matthew's Bioshock video and specifically his unfortunate use of a slur which don't really address the argument being made and it's flaws and I do very much appreciate that you do so in your video. Most of these posts mostly just mention Matthew saying a slur for shock/comedic value, but I do think this is somewhat in bad taste. It's kind of the same reason I don't like seeing people retweeting bigots online to dunk on them for whatever garbage they've spat out. Regardless of how much the post "epically owns them", I don't like being exposed to someone saying something bigoted and hateful. In the same way, I think joking about anyone saying a slur makes me feel a similar kinda way. It's uncomfortable to prop up an instance of someone saying a hateful term and hanging jokes off it, and when it's already so blatantly wrong to use a word like that, joking about it doesn't really serve much purpose in the context of your video, as it should be self evident to any reasonable person, especially in a modern context, that this was a horrible thing to say. When you talk about rewatching the video a 100 times (an exaggeration I hope?) or recreating the opening, how his use of The N Word is an ongoing punchline between friends, it really does give off bad vibes. Bringing it up for the sake of addressing the argument made is absolutely fine. I'd be happy to see it get critiqued more, if anything. I just would've preferred an alternate approach that lingered less the slur and more on the shitty argument. A little levity is fine, but taken too far when addressing topics like racism and discrimination, it can come across as distasteful and the main reason I bring it up is because I really don't think that's what you were going for. Obviously, it's just my take, but I hope you at least get an idea of where I'm coming from. Rest of the video was solid but I was kinda struck by how much that segment just didn't sit right with me.
@CatFish107
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for unnecessarily telling us up front that you were a brony. I had zero need to know this, and I suspect it will have very little to do with the remainder of the video, but I will not be watching. Just wanted to give you some honest feedback that you could have left that tidbit out, and retained a viewer.
@AlwaysBetOnDunc
Жыл бұрын
If you cannot handle me as a reformed brony, you do not deserve my videos. Your loss, punk. We won't miss you
@MGrey-qb5xz
Жыл бұрын
your views are looking a bit stumpy now, well content like this isn't even interesting. Like seriously bioshock, what a boomer game, why not do something crazy and nostalgic like totallypointlesstv's "Most obscure horror franchise" or the latest GUN retrospective videos.
@AlwaysBetOnDunc
Жыл бұрын
Please stop treating me like numbers on a flowchart and learn how to talk to people without boiling their work down to nebulous terms like "content".
@SleepyMatt-zzz
Жыл бұрын
Or maybe people can just make stuff they want?
@opticalraven1935
9 ай бұрын
You sound butthurt that someone dared disagreed with you.
@MGrey-qb5xz
9 ай бұрын
@@opticalraven1935 I don't know why I made this comment but "disagree" , the hell you blabbing now
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