I watched it before i even knew it was an adaptation. (I hadnt gotten into anime yet) back then i thought it was an ok movie but i was definitely bored around the halfway point. I wouldn't call it a good movie but im glad someone got enjoyment out of it. Funny enough, ohba and obata both saw it and they actually liked it. Obata even did an art piece of Light Turner in the mangas art style.
@99wattr89
Жыл бұрын
To be honest I don't agree with your assumption that adaptations shouldn't be compared to the work they adapt. Being unfaithful to the source doesn't preclude the work from being good, and changes to suit the new medium are to be expected, but part of the goal of an adaptation should be to translate the original work, not just to make something that borrows a few concepts or aesthetics, without continuing the creative legacy of the original.
@garysturgess6757
Жыл бұрын
Well put. No notes, really well argued. I would add that as someone that is not a manga or an anime fan, having watched (and enjoyed) Death Note 2017 I was inspired to go out and buy the first couple of issues of the manga. (It wasn't for me, as it turns out, but that's still a sale they wouldn't otherwise have gotten).
@AG147Chaos
Жыл бұрын
I still need to get around to experiencing 2017 adaptation of the well remembered thing from the 2000's (being fully released in 2006) of the exact same title that shares marginal similarities with the original work to the point that the main character has a different name and race, as well as practically just being a similar but different genre of work. But enough about Prey, good job on the Death Note viddy.
@JazzyWaffles
Жыл бұрын
This will either be your worst performing video in a long time, or your best performing video in a long time. I cannot see this hot of a take having a normal amount of views for you.
@AlwaysBetOnDunc
Жыл бұрын
My goal with this channel has always been to get a reaction from one of those 10 hour podcasts where they just watch a video and then pause every 5 seconds to say some inane comeback, so I thank you for your support in this endeavour
@youtubeuniversity3638
Жыл бұрын
23:00 Mm, might be at least in part an expectations matter. Doesn't fucking matter how perfect your steak is if you ordered a sundae, y'get me? They "signed up for" a faithful adaptation, that is not what had been delivered, ergo they *do not respect* arguments focused on actual work quality. Because they weren't going in to see a "good" work, they were going in to see a "same" work. No matter how Objectively Perfect one can argue a work is, that perfection is negative relevance to someone who did not want that work to start with. They recieved a perfectly cooked steak when they thought they were getting a sundae, no amount of explaining it's the greatest steak in the world will fix that, *even if they all agree with you* even. Someone can literally agree with you that Netflix Death Note is good, even say it's better than the anime and the manga, and still see no issue saying "I don't like that it hadn't been faithful." Can't just *make* them give half a fuck. And chances are a non-zero number would say that had it just been called "Killbook" instead they would be singing it's praises, and they'd see no issue in saying that. (27:25 Whaddaya know!) But yeah, if it had just been called Any Other Name At All then people woulda known from early along "Hey, don't go into this expecting a faithful Death Note", and those expectations would have been more accurrate to the end result. They woulda known that it was the Steak button and not the Sundae button.
@AlwaysBetOnDunc
Жыл бұрын
See, I get that, but at the same time, everything about the marketing to this movie going in was dedicated to the idea that this would be an alternate take on the narrative, there's not a single person out there I think the number of people who genuinely tried to watch it as "oh this will be exactly like Death Note" without any prior knowledge would be quite small. The marketing for this movie entirely depicted this, most reviews for the movie I mention in the video also say this. At that point, I feel like you're just Wil E. Coyote running into a painted tunnel. and to bring up 27:25 as I allude to, I don't think that's even done in the best of faiths, because the implication really is "people who made bad movies a lot of money would love this"
@@AlwaysBetOnDunc This is a really interesting perspective on the matter that I hadn't thought of, but I think that if you're going to title something like "death note" there's a series of expectations that come with it. This is also the fault of Death Note itself, the main story is incredibly popular, but nobody really talks about the chapter 0 where dumb shit like the "death eraser" exist. However, when people think of death note, they think of a physiological thriller, asking about how we think of things in the world. Light is someone who adamantly believes he's doing something good, as whilst people would never actively say it, they support the idea of killing bad people. Death Note 2017 doesn't really have this sort of aspect, plus I fundamentally disagree that death note is a criticism of the criminal justice system, as something like Ace Attorney fits the bill way better in that direction. When I think of Death Note, I see a story of intentions, and ideas. I would agree with your points more if something like, say the people who follow Kira were an aspect of the film that got more focus, if you want to go with the school shooting idea and how the news frames it, which is something that Death Note is no stranger to, but it really doesn't. It's kinda like Star ship Troopers the movie vs the book if that makes more sense. If one saw the other and went to the thing with the same name, it really wouldn't keep their interest in the same way despite the core elements being similar at face value. Decent video though, I agree with the criticisms of comparing it to the anime/manga, but disagree that it's unreasonable to see something that says something like "Super Mario" only to get an XCOM style tactics game, even if said tactics game was really good. Love the channel and can't wait to see more!
@alexisspanias5222
Жыл бұрын
Love your stuff Dunc, keep up the good work!
@wardrobewings8000
Жыл бұрын
Quite frankly I don't like Netflix's Death Note. Not because it isn't faithful- If I want to experience the original story once again I can just grab manga/anime. Instead, I have three different issues with it: 1) They use names of characters from the manga for characters that are nothing like they were in the manga. I spend most of the film facepalming and groaning "that is not what X character would do". If they fully committed to an "alternative take" on the universe where for example Ryuuk dropped the Death Note in America instead of Japan and gave characters different names 50% of my frustration would be gone. 2) Different types of stories. When I think Death Note I think of psychological manipulation and a game of cat and mouse between killer and detective. Not a hormonal teenage boy being manipulated by his girlfriend. Yeah, Light had his own type of dumbassery- just like you pointed out with the tennis match- but I had different expectations. 3) I don't find this film fun/interesting. Halfway through I was bored and frustrated. There may be people out there who enjoy this kind of storyline but that isn't me.
@moshingsafely
Жыл бұрын
I'm always so jazzed when you post a new video! Great work man, I hope good things come to you!
@RemagArojam
Жыл бұрын
I’m gonna be real. When I watched death note 2017, it was my first death note experience, I had never seen any other adaptation or read the manga, and I thoroughly enjoyed it! It was pretty good!
@finalninjazero5140
Жыл бұрын
That's it, I draw the line here. There's absolutely no way you can convince me Death Note is good in any form. It's just not realistic, I've tried writing peoples names in thousands of notebooks and only one person died as a result, it wasn't even the way I specified. That massive plot hole is so obvious to see I just couldn't watch anymore. Can't believe everybody else just believes it and buys into this nonsense.
@schnozcomplex4137
Жыл бұрын
Obviously spiderverse isnt a spider-man movie. It's a Spider-MEN movie
@JonBristow
Жыл бұрын
*ahem* Spider-_persons_.
@JonBristow
Жыл бұрын
And animals.
@gorimbaud
Жыл бұрын
i've been in the trenches for this movie for six years! thank you for being someone who finally gets how funny death note is, because that's honestly the only thing i got out of it when i finally watched the anime. i laughed so hard the first time i saw the second op, it's absolutely incredible. if someone had told ever me it was funny, i might not have slept on it for fifteen years after reading the first chapter when it was new and deciding that was enough for me, and the way i've heard everyone else talk about it since has always made me feel like they read or watched a completely different series from me.
@RariettyC
9 ай бұрын
Cowboy Bebop was so much worse. It felt like it wanted to be a campy sci-fi sitcom not taking itself seriously, yet it felt so hampered by the need to adhere to the anime's (slower) pacing and lofty themes. The entire Vicious subplot should have been excised, and they should have just focused on episodic side adventures. I liked the cast in it, and I would have watched more seasons of it if the show found its own voice rather than trying to pay homage to something it'd never be able to match. Instead, it was the worst of both worlds: trying to be accurate of an adaptation, but also failing to capture what made the source material good. I respect Death Note (2017) so much more now for deliberately distancing itself from any other version of Death Note.
@youtubeuniversity3638
Жыл бұрын
16:04 Light a cop yeah?
@nomodz4real
Жыл бұрын
I'm interested about your disdain for the duffer brothers for sure. Great video as always with a perspective i would bever have myself
@marsalwin5101
Жыл бұрын
I actually greatly dislike adaptations that strive to be as faithful as possible. It's basically setting up the product to fail at an artistic level. You'll always be a pale imitation living in the shadow of the original work. While I disliked Death Note 2017 I appreciate that it took the premise and did it's own thing with it. That'll always be more interesting to me than just recreating what already exists.
@ninkunai8011
Жыл бұрын
I've always felt like this movie's only defender. There are TENS of us! I'm also a 'Halloween 3 is the best one' person, so. make of that what you will
@VioletSadi
Жыл бұрын
*Reckless* is a great song and now I'm curious. 80s pub rock recognition is great to see and would often be good in this kinda thriller
@Soguwe
Жыл бұрын
The biggest mistake they made was calling this an adaptation It's a good movie if it's just a story set in the Death Note universe If it were like that one chapter sequel thing where that twerp sells the death note to Donald Trump
@kood995
Жыл бұрын
I believe why people say what they believe to be a bad adaptation is disrespectful is because fiascoes like /"Dragonball Evolution"/--a movie that was made by people who were only there for the paycheck--where the source material wasn't even read; they just took bits and pieces from whatever lore documentation that they got and made a bad movie from it by using their preconceived notions about children's entertainment. In other words, a lot of people will label movies like /"Death Note" (2017)/ as "disrespectful" because if the story doesn't play out nearly exactly like the source material, then that /must/ mean they didn't consume the source material--whether or not the person making such a claim has actual evidence or not.
@rapchee
Жыл бұрын
i wish dan stevens would be know as david from legion i mean like it should be a well known thing, it's great
@blu3113
Жыл бұрын
incredible work as always!
@Seranov
Жыл бұрын
This is an incredibly hot take but you've got the chutzpah to say it with your whole chest and a bunch of early 2000s scene kid gear, and I respect the fuck out of that. More power to you, Dunc.
@flatbunny
Жыл бұрын
Great video.
@TioRata
Жыл бұрын
Fans will always expect faithful adaptations of the works they love unless the marketing says otherwise. I don't know how this Death Note was marketed as but I'm sure it wasn't marketed as "Wingard's Death Note" or an alternative western take on Death Note's story, if that was that case, I don't think fans wouldn't be as mad with it. I watched it before the anime and I found it at least entertaining but it was an OK film for me. As for the "50%" thingy, that half is supposed to be the visuals I think? Anime visuals is animation but japanese, live action visuals are, well, a camera shooting actors performing in body and voice, manga visuals is a bunch of panels with draws on them. I think I know where that take comes from (maybe some works shouldn't be adapted) but I mean, when you're doing an adaptation from one media to another, you should expect to lose and/or replace some stuff of the original work.
@rapchee
Жыл бұрын
i wonder if i enjoyed the 2017 movie because i wasn't a huge fan of the anime, i thought they were both okay, with some flaws (i struggled with the latter half of the series, can't really remember it tbh) i mean like a bunch of weebs (no diss, i identify as one too, pfp is lego jet black) took death note as a core part of their personality, because it was one of the modern animes that was an actually good series, that you could show to people without being embarrassed about it and then netflix dared to touch it ?? and then even change it????
@youtubeuniversity3638
Жыл бұрын
Any other channel and I'd not have clicked this.
@jgrutza
Жыл бұрын
Stuff that makes the algorithm happy.
@thekkc9147
Жыл бұрын
I kinda understand you take but I honestly think a can’t say the the live action remake was a good movie but it’s also because a lot of the fun of the anime and the manga for me was the stupid fun mind games and the live action movie don’t have that for me
@shytendeakatamanoir9740
Жыл бұрын
On faithful adaptations. There was that person who talked about Shyamalan's Avatar and could have said something interesting about it because he never saw Avatar before. But he decided to watch the original serie first qnd just gave one more boring, irrelevant take. I don't particularly care about Avatar (haven't seen either version), but that was still so very disappointing
@eezack1
Жыл бұрын
can't wait to watch this!
@sno7599
Жыл бұрын
that's a really intresting take, i think ti's bad regardless of the name. i treid watching it without thinking of the name, and i tstill think it's bad. but you're definitly right of ther enot being a thing like faithfull and unfaithfull
@uziuchiha3342
Жыл бұрын
That movie was actually really bad
@ramacciottisilv
Жыл бұрын
didnt watch the video yet, just here to say that ive always liked death note (2017), its such a funny and interesting movie. how can someone hate willem dafoe's ryuk, like for real. also its extremely funny that if american light is such a dumbass
@ramacciottisilv
Жыл бұрын
now that ive watched the video, im glad to know youre also a fan of adam wingard's movies! ive been a fan of his ever since youre next came out, and was really excited to watch his version of death note. great vid btw!
@bean8672
Жыл бұрын
It had share dawson in it no it's not. Get out of here
@youtubeuniversity3638
Жыл бұрын
Do ye mean Shane?
@bean8672
Жыл бұрын
@@youtubeuniversity3638exactly shae dawson
@Bee-Bee5136
Жыл бұрын
Saying Death Note (2017) and Halloween 3 are good movies is a wild take. Halloween 3 is a meandering boring conspiracy thriller with plot holes and terrible acting. Halloween 6 is a better mystery horror film than Halloween 3 by a mile and Halloween 6 is Halloween 6. The reason Death Note fans didn’t like the Netflix movie isn’t because it’s unfaithful. People dislike Death Note (2017) because, just like Halloween 3, it’s a meandering boring movie with terrible acting and plot holes. If you think Halloween 3 is the best movie in the franchise I respect your opinion but I disagree. I’ve watched both Halloween 3 and Death Note (2017) they are both bad movies in my opinion. The original Death Note isn’t a absurdist comedy. It’s a Greek tragedy about how Light’s pride and misguided sense of justice leads to his own downfall, the largest mass serial killing in human history, and everyone who gets in close contact with Light either dies or their life is is irreparably destroyed. Death Note is not meant to be funny. There are plenty of comedic moments in the original but Death Note always takes itself seriously and expects the reader to as well. Even the tennis scene was meant to be taken seriously. The closest it ever gets to comedy is having Matsuda be the comic relief character who by the end of the story still has his life ruined by Light’s pride and twisted sense of justice.
@sammypercy388
Жыл бұрын
a pony pedophile is exactly the kind of person I expect to be invested in this video
@gorimbaud
Жыл бұрын
it's the fact that death note takes the incredibly absurd things it's doing so seriously that makes it a comedy tbh. remember when l introduced that he had a 23-floor skyscraper built in secret to be the new headquarters for the kira taskforce? that's absolute nonsense, and even when it's treated dead seriously, adding on that misa gets two whole floors to herself feels like a punchline. and like, have you _seen_ the second op? the question isn't whether death note is funny or not, it's whether death note means to be as funny as it is.
@Bee-Bee5136
Жыл бұрын
@@gorimbaud Which it doesn't intend to be funny and it's not a funny series. As I said, it is a tragedy which can be proven in interviews with the creators of the series. In none of the interviews or behind the scenes content have I seen anything that implies the series was intended to be comedic. The second OP is a great song. I don't know what that has to do with anything. If you don't respect Japanese Metal as a artistic expression of music that says more about you than it does anything else. Metal is real music.
@gorimbaud
Жыл бұрын
@@Bee-Bee5136 an op is more than a song, it's also animations, and those animations are impossible to take seriously
@Bee-Bee5136
Жыл бұрын
@@gorimbaud I take them seriously.
@Thromaz
Жыл бұрын
I'm not not watching this and I'm unsubscribing... This take tells me everything I need to know, I saw the anime, read the manga ( 日本語›) saw the Japanese live actions and all the companion material and although Platnium end recontextualized Death note me, I saw this movie, you can't gaslight me.
@ntrg3248
Жыл бұрын
I honestly can't tell if you're trolling or not
@JazzyWaffles
Жыл бұрын
@@ntrg3248The part where s/he specifies 日本語 makes it even funnier honestly, they're either a child weeb or are taking the piss. Poe's Law at work.
@ntrg3248
Жыл бұрын
@@JazzyWaffles yeah I know, being a weeb actually got me into learning Japanese and honestly learning it made me less of a weeb. (At least in the cringe sense, I don't go around annoying people etc)
@JazzyWaffles
Жыл бұрын
@@ntrg3248 Same, I grew up on anime, manga, vocaloid, etc. I was very briefly a weeb, eventually I chilled out about it and just occasionally enjoy Japanese media without being weird about it.
@AlwaysBetOnDunc
Жыл бұрын
I'm sorry for any distress I might have caused. Why did you just write the word "Japanese" in brackets?
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