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@lukefish7562
Жыл бұрын
GSA🏍💨 For the difference in off-road capabilities and the ease in using the electronics you mentioned.
@leonisbacher1772
Жыл бұрын
@Big Rock Moto You forgot to mention the resale value
@BERZERKERSV4
Жыл бұрын
Once again… a fair percentage of your viewers cannot afford or justify a @$30k ADV bike….more affordable/realistic options are available considering the vast majority of these bike will be used for highway/on road use…
@vailmcc
Жыл бұрын
@@leonisbacher1772 It’s a motorcycle.. your point is moot
@DucatiDale
Жыл бұрын
@@leonisbacher1772 they both hold their value very well in the uk
@tomg6284
Жыл бұрын
You never know how long you will live. Get the motorcycle you want. Do not try to justify just do it. Cancer got me, fast and hard. Don't waist time you might not have. I would like the GS. Good review.
@edwinchoo1511
Жыл бұрын
Took the Tiger over the GS. The triple engine is really intoxicating. And the engine is the heart of a motorcycle.
@cpuuk
Жыл бұрын
Both are good bikes, you can't really lose whichever one you choose. FYI, you can put the Tiger back into whatever mode you had set before you turned it off at the flick of an option.
@CTASVideos
Жыл бұрын
Only if you are quick, and if it changes TC eg on road to off road, then you can't be moving
@antonoat
Жыл бұрын
You can lose financially if you have to pay for servicing, I was quoted £900 for a main service on the Triumph!
@friendlysnoworb6091
8 ай бұрын
@@antonoat bold of you to assume the BMW wouldn't be comparably expensive
@antonoat
8 ай бұрын
@@friendlysnoworb6091 I have covered nearly 200,000 miles combined on three GS’s that I’ve owned, never had a service any where near the price of the Triumph service, so it’s not an assumption, it’s based purely on experience!
@samuraidoggy
Жыл бұрын
I bought Tiger for a rather small and personal reason. I just like how it looks more, with the color palette and being slimmer, sounding different, and the fact that when I go to long tours, 10/12 people are using GSA:s (the rest are KTMS and African Twins) so GSA kinda has no personality over here at least, while Tiger stands out being different and not under everyone who does trips.
@leonisbacher1772
Жыл бұрын
Only shallow reasons, now live to regret your purchase.
@leonisbacher1772
Жыл бұрын
The ultimate punishment will be the resale value.
@samuraidoggy
Жыл бұрын
@@leonisbacher1772 Nah, all motorcycles are for personal pleasure, and to get what you feel that you want. And spending 30k usd for motorcycle( what these cost here for both with crashbars etc), is never like a good purchase anyway. But to be satisfied with the purchase, you gotta buy what YOU want, however shallow the reasons sound. Its not like one choise is bad either. With between 2 great things its completely fine to make a purchase by your own emotions and feeling and you will be happy with it. Resale value I wont be taking to my grave, and after 10 000+ miles I have been very happy with it.
@NalinKhurb
Жыл бұрын
@@leonisbacher1772 Not everyone buys vehicles for resale
@rideitalia
Жыл бұрын
Looks is no small reason, you've got to love it! Hope you enjoy it for many miles
@sthr2110
Жыл бұрын
How much does intuitiveness actually matter if you are a person who will be owning the bike and keeping it for an extended period (as most will be or are)? My opinion is that it does not matter. My '22 Africa Twin Adventure Sport ES was confusing for the first 500 miles but, now, it is 2nd nature; I know exactly how to operate everything. Had I used the lack of intuitiveness as a deciding factor, prior to buying, I wouldn't have purchased it and would have missed out on a fine, very enjoyable machine. When deciding on a bike to buy, remember that you will almost certainly be owning it long enough to figure things out. Pay more attention to far more important things...such as an inferior suspension, engine or transmission....or wheel size (which truly does matter, depending on the riding you do). Don't rule a bike out simply because you don't immediately understand how to use everything on it...in time, understanding will come.
@BigRockMoto
Жыл бұрын
100% yes
@uttamgala7186
7 ай бұрын
The guy never asked anyone to rule any bike out. He was just giving us a fair comparison of the two bikes and clearly stated some things to consider when it comes to pros and cons of each.
@jameswick4867
Жыл бұрын
Once again, another brilliant video. You make an effort and go the extra mile with facts and real world test experience. Personally, both bikes a phenomenal in their own way. I currently own a 1200 Rally Pro having sold my 1250 Gs HP. Having owned 3 GS's prior, the bike is outstanding and does everything it says and does it well. But that in my personal opinion is also its achilles heel. Its so good, its actually kinda dull, typical German engineering. The Triumphs and especially the 1200 Rally Pro does everything almost equally well but it has its quirks and character that puts a smile on my face everytime i ride it. I dont get that with the GS. I ride with the missus and funnily enough she actually prefers the Triumph after loving the comfort of the GS. Everyone is different but you really cant go wrong with both bikes. Will i go back to another GS? Who knows, perhaps i will if the new edition piques my interest. For now, i will enjoy the Triumph. Cheers.
@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff
Жыл бұрын
The Tiger valve service interval is 20K miles not 12K. Triumph have also dropped the spark plug check at 10,000 miles and the air filter is good for 20K miles so no need for any plastics to come off until 20k mile mark. Many owners will keep the bike three years and not do that mileage and just trade the bike in doing no more than the basics on any service. The dealer ends up doing the valve service at cost to resell the bike. We also know most owners don't ride in extremely dusty environments and the air-filter issue is a non issue for 99% of riders. What most vloggers have missed is the fact that Triumph have dropped the low chassis model which is a big seller for the GS range. The new Tiger ended up a little too tall for me so I have ordered a low chassis GS which I can buy with an official BMW offering of 5 years, 50,000 km all-in servicing for €1200. That includes everything, valve clearances etc. Obvious omissions are wear items, e.g. tyres, break pads. I paid €1483 for my 20K mile valve service from Triumph, never again. Disagree with the usability of the dash though, coming from a Gen 3 Triumph Tiger 1200 I found them instantly intuitive and understandable. The Triumph suspension confuses many BMW riders too as it is fundamentally different in user configurability. Every rider mode on a Tiger 1200 has a suggested damping level, there are nine to choose from. When you change rider modes the damping is changed to Triumph's suggested level along with the other parameters, e.g. throttle map and other things. But the big difference from BMW here is that you do not have to accept the suggested damping level and can increase or decrease it accordingly to any of the nine levels. When you change it in the menu you are doing it directly in that specific rider mode you are in. Change the rider mode to another one, e.g. rain and your new damping level in the last rider mode is ignored and Triumph's preset in rain mode is used. Any new damping level you set in a rider mode is retained on power off. Off-Road preload also works differently on the Tigers and have done for a while. When you select off-road on the Tiger rear preload is dropped off to rake the bike out. Because this is a fundamental geometry change Triumph do not let you retain an off-road mode on power off, it is a safety feature. But if you power off in any non off road rider mode the bike should stay in that. Lastly, and by far one of the most useful suspension features of the Tiger, is that you can disassociate damping from rider modes and just manually choose whatever damping you want from nine levels regardless of rider mode. The damping menu can be left on the information screen on the right of the dash and adjusted on the fly at any time. Brilliant on tour when road conditions are constantly changing. Loved my last 5 years on a Tiger 1200 but the service cost was a punch in the gut when I can get a BMW GS service for five years for less.
@BigRockMoto
Жыл бұрын
Amazing info, thank you for sharing
@oldtimer3824
Жыл бұрын
Nice recap. As far as I know, in USA none of the brands offer all-included servicing up to 30k miles (50k km) for any price.
@Kevimoto
Жыл бұрын
Triumph's standard warranty is actually 3 years and unlimited mileage. For about $1,500 more, you can get coverage for 5 years.
@travelinben1966
Жыл бұрын
I’d opt for the Yamaha Super Tenere 1200.Low initial cost,lower operating costs,and legendary reliability.I also think it looks better than the Tiger or the GS imo.Thank you for comparing and contrasting these two bikes Ian.👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👍🏻
@TheGr3atMilenko
Жыл бұрын
Hell, maybe even give consideration to the Versys 1000, Africa Twin, and V-Strom 1050 if I'm going that route.
@travelinben1966
Жыл бұрын
@@TheGr3atMilenko They’re all great bikes for sure, but I wanted shaft drive.There we’re no new S10’s to be had, so I got a Guzzi V85TT adventure.Couldn’t be happier.
@craigfinnegan8534
Жыл бұрын
@@TheGr3atMilenko Chain drive? It's like having a chain around my *neck.*
@johnm8622
Жыл бұрын
@@travelinben1966 depends on your market. We still have Super Tenere in Canada for 2023.
@travelinben1966
Жыл бұрын
@@johnm8622 It’s still marketed here in the states, but no Yamaha dealers have one, and have no idea if they can get one.They won’t even take a deposit.🤷🏻♂️
@Adventuremotolife
Жыл бұрын
I really enjoy your videos, I’m faithful subscriber. I own a 23 tiger explorer and owned previous generations, I have two observations from the video. The valve adjustments interval on the tiger is every 20 thousand miles and around where I leave a $1000 job. The riding modes are pretty simple, if you want to stay on the off road mode when you restart the bike it’s only a matter of pressing the M button and the check mark. 🙏
@BigRockMoto
Жыл бұрын
Good info
@mikemills5144
Жыл бұрын
I bought the Tiger for a couple of reasons, I could not get my feet comfortable with the engine sticking out. I felt a lot of heat coming out of the BMW vs nothing on the Tiger. While I am not a big fan of the Triumph display options I hated the BMW wheel. The shaft drive failures on the BMW had me concerned as well as well as the attitude of the BMW dealers. I am very happy with my purchase.
@ThePresidentofMars
Жыл бұрын
Could you describe the attitude of the dealership staff?
@mikemills5144
Жыл бұрын
@Jonathan Young the one guy at one dealership was really nice but they closed that dealer. When I went to the other one, the guy said every other ADV is not as good as the BMW, made comments like, if you can't afford the GSA you can get the base GS. Can you afford that? He offered 5% off a BMW jacket because I would want to get one of those. Telling me it is a pretty big and powerful bike. At a different dealer they asked me which one I wanted to buy when I said I was just looking the sales people just scattered. At the Triumph dealer the guy just wanted to talk about bikes, the owner introduced himself as I was looking at the bikes and just made me feel comfortable, no pressure at all, when I was ready to buy they offered a very fair price on my trade and actually apologized they could not offer more. I have since been back and bought accessories and referred 2 friends there, one of whom is dealing with them now.
@ThePresidentofMars
Жыл бұрын
@Mike Mills thank you for responding, my only experience buying a bike was a from a licensed used dealer, i saw the bike i wanted and i got it so it was interesting seeing how different dealerships treat people.
@Crsf84
Жыл бұрын
I tested the bmw and triumph and chose for another gs, No real reason other than familiarity. Imo the cylinders sticking out don’t make an ounce of difference I’ve done 50k+ miles on bmw gs and never once felt like the engine compromises the feet space. As for the tech I think the bmw is better but the triumph engine felt equally as nice. shaft issues i’ve never had one nor heard of one unless I google “bmw faults” . All bikes and cars have issues none that would really bother me.
@tinfoilhatplumber485
11 күн бұрын
2023 triumph tiger rally pro 1200... couldn't be happier
@philclose7063
Жыл бұрын
Great comparison. Love your work. I recently purchased a 2022 1250GS Rallye (my 5th GS over the years). Prior to this bike, I owned a KTM 1290S & prior to that, a Triumph Explorer 1200. Loving the current GS but firmly believe that there is no such thing as the ultimate bike. But it's a lot of fun trying to find it! Cheers from 🇦🇺
@BigRockMoto
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing!
@devdathn
Жыл бұрын
India Perspective:- 1. Engine Heat, the GS is way better in our weather and traffic. 2. BMW service is consistent, Triumph has a lower reputation. 3. For 80+% of typical Indian off-road situations, that front telelever does a better job than conventional twin shock absorbers. 5. A single sided swingarm makes it easier to remove the rear wheel if needed.
@BigRockMoto
Жыл бұрын
Great points
@shegocrazy
Жыл бұрын
Surely the gs boxer is like an oven next to your legs?
@devdathn
Жыл бұрын
@@shegocrazy Quite the opposite actually. The exposed cylinders make sure that the heat isn’t “between “ my legs but beyond them.
@ogoshikimura5621
2 ай бұрын
Strongly disagree. There is ZERO heat from the Tiger, in fact it is the only motorcycle that makes you freeze on your legs in the winter.
@almir8728
9 ай бұрын
Where I'm at now year end Tiger 1200s are on a discount. A Rally Explorer can be had for 19K + fees, whereas BMW is still at 25k... I've been doing all service myself, and for $80 bucks for the dealertool, you can reset all errors and service lights. I'll wait until I get tired of my '20 Tiger 900 to get the upgrade. I just hate going to the dealer and "making a deal"
@inthesupernovashadow
Жыл бұрын
Good points, but it should be noted that this latest generation of the Tiger 1200 improved the service intervals. Oil changes every 10,000 miles, and valve checks every 20,000 miles (not every 12k miles, as the video stated). This is nearly double the distance from the R1250GS's intervals. This difference should certainly play into the minds of potential buyers.
@ukaszusielski3606
Жыл бұрын
good luck with engine changing oil every 10.000 miles. It's marketing bullsh.t
@benkelly2190
Жыл бұрын
Or every 12 months, as is always forgotten!
@Doitforthevision
Жыл бұрын
@@ukaszusielski3606 with modern synthetic oil, this does not surprise me.
@vailmcc
Жыл бұрын
@@ukaszusielski3606 No, the marketing bs was changing your oil every 3000-5000 miles. Synthetic’s are far better for your engine.. no thermal breakdown, viscosity remains constant, etc.. 10,000 miles is now the norm
@inthesupernovashadow
Жыл бұрын
@@ukaszusielski3606 I mean if a buyer were to be worried about that they could change more frequently. That’s easy service even for the novice home mechanic. The 20k valve service interval is the key here given that that’s what the video specifically called out. That’s the service most people go to the dealer to address.
@1993kramer
Жыл бұрын
I prefer my Tiger Rally Pro but I do like both bikes. Valve adjustments are 20k on Tiger. I have a wonderful Triumph dealer and that's a huge reason I went that way. But I also think two of the most over-rated things in motorcycling is the boxer motor and telelever. I've tried them quite a few times and I've never gotten off thinking omg that was awesome. In fact... I've always gotten off and thought wow that was underwhelming
@LinhNguyen-im4uu
Жыл бұрын
As a Tiger owner who has tried both versions (GT and Rally), I'd say that it sits between the Multistrada and the GS. It has a sporty engine and suspension setup like the Multi, but is shaft driven and capable off-road like the GS. It is not a GS killer, just a different flavor to add to the full size ADV market. Ultimately, it comes down to your preferences and price where you live.
@BigRockMoto
Жыл бұрын
Well said, totally agree
@Dave-sw2dm
Жыл бұрын
And dealer location as well as dealer support. In my region BMW dealers are in major metropolitan areas which I avoid. I can get to two Triumph dealers with only some traffic within a couple miles.
@danketchpel7460
Жыл бұрын
That's a very good analysis, I'd agree for sure.
@winterkraul3716
Жыл бұрын
TIGER all the way, the GS is zZzZz 😴 boring... every time I see an adv bike video OH GEE I WONDER IF ITS A GS. Anyways... not enough character in my opinion
@daveo9844
Жыл бұрын
Exactly why I sold my GS and bought the rally pro 🍻
@danketchpel7460
Жыл бұрын
Excellent comparison between the 2 bikes. I'm glad you mentioned the service aspect, difference in shaft drive riding performance, and ease of use for the electronics. The things I would have added are adaptability to different size riders, does Triumph offer a lower seat or lowered suspension options etc. Also it would have been good to just touch on price and warranty, though people can look that stuff up. Both of them are crazy expensive so you REALLY need to know the details before signing on the bottom line. I still can't believe we're in the $20k price range for bikes, just nutz.
@ttrguy9952
Жыл бұрын
Ian I have the first GT Explorer sold in the Us. The menu is straight forward, you just scroll to the riding mode you want and push the enter button. No push, no mode change. Just because you can see the mode you want while scrolling, if you don't hit enter you won't get it. Easy Peesy! Read the manual first to understand how everything works. That's why you couldn't get the suspension set up the way you wanted it. Every bikes menu is different and I find the Tiger menu very simple when you know how it works. You are used to the GS menu and because you haven't learned the Tiger menu you say it's confusing. I am a Tiger guy through many iterations and I find the BWM menus confusing. You have to learn each bike through ownership and not just test rides.
@newenglandscrambler2262
Жыл бұрын
I went with the Tiger Rally Pro over the GS for a few different reasons. I totally agree with you on the Tiger's electronics and TFT. It is very poorly thought out. Very unintuitive and very frustrating. Feels like an afterthought on what is otherwise a brilliant bike. I also agree that the Tiger is an absolute bear to pick up. Especially if it falls over on an off camber surface off road - it can get partly upside down and you have zero leverage to lift. I'm a 6'2, 200 lb guy who strength trains, and I've had to use a z-drag to get the bike upright after a drop before. As far as the maintenance stuff... yeah. I also own a Desert X, so I'm clearly a glutton for punishment.
@BigRockMoto
Жыл бұрын
thanks for sharing
@dcxplant
Жыл бұрын
A couple of points: Shaft drive; The BMW needs to have its final drive removed from the driveshaft and serviced the Tiger only needs the final drive fluid changed. Tech: The Triumph has blind spot radar, which I found highly useful and a quick shifter is better on the Tiger. Lighting: Tiger has all LED lighting with adaptive lean adjustment; The Tiger also has back-lit buttons.
@sid_corsa
9 ай бұрын
i love backlit buttons, dunno if the new 1300gs has that
@PwnstarUK
Жыл бұрын
I totally agree with you.. I think I prefer the tiger. Here in the UK the GS is a meme cos everyone has one and none of them have been off road.. retired men drive them to cafes in wales on Sundays.. the tiger just seems more fun 😊 the GS is probably the better bike but damn they have an image problem.
@bobholley6202
Жыл бұрын
Both bikes are great. I’ve had my 2020 Tiger Desert for a few years now and the new Tigers address my main complaint and that is the weight and engine heat of my 2020. Like others I’m waiting to see the 1300GS before I upgrade again. It wil have to be substantially better or I’ll be getting the Rally Explorer. Great vid!
@randombuilds8336
Жыл бұрын
I had a tiger 800xc, it was a great bike. It was still going strong when the new owner took it over with just under 110,400 miles on the clock. A uni prefilter really extends the air filter life on the tiger.
@gregsilver
Жыл бұрын
Great video - appreciated learning the differences (I was always curious what the main differences were between these two heavyweights).
@BigRockMoto
Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@Porsche996driver
Жыл бұрын
Who doesn’t love a nice Triple? The power and that sound like a saxophone or something ha. But there’s a reason you see so many new and old GS’s. The low-speed balance with that boxer handing out like a balance bar. My 2005 air/oil cooled new version GS runs likes a Swiss automatic watch. It will not stall unless I actually try to stall it. So I’m down on power but it’s quite a bit lighter. It was upgraded to Öhlins suspension more controlled but supple. I also have a ‘62 R69S maybe I’m biased toward the Boxer and Shaftdrive. 🏁
@khakimzhanmiras
Жыл бұрын
Relative to the GS - Cons: The tiger is HEAVY. I think triumph is lying about the weight. Pros: Great suspension. The GS regrettably packed on an additional 5kg with the bump up to 1250. Improvements to the stock clunker suspension and an optional 21” would have made the original 1200 a better bike. The GS has better ergos. The optional tall rally seat and handlebars can be a game changer. I don’t like feeling locked in off-road. The shaft drive on the triumph is much much better. In addition to what you mentioned the GS shaft drive has reliability issues, inherent engineering issues. The previous gen triumph’s shaft drive was flawless.
@Kevimoto
Жыл бұрын
They're not lying about the weight. I've weighed mine and it's true to their claim. It may feel heavier as COG is higher.
@freidrichnietzsche6643
Жыл бұрын
Good video as always, but still no review of a recent Ktm 1290 SAR….
@tomrohan8480
Жыл бұрын
Both bikes are equally equipped n good.. but I feel triumph tiger might have a upper hand purely due to the engine placement.. BMWs design though looks awesome might be of an issue if it falls on the road/ off-road as it will have substantial damage to the engine heads as they stick out..whereas the tigers engine is tucked in..
@jasestorace9501
Жыл бұрын
I ride the Tiger, love it & agree with the electronics comments, could be easier. Ok once your used to it but for example when you select 'Off-road ' mode you consistently have the ABS & Traction lights flashing which distracts you from your riding. But in beast mode this thing just rips.
@_Makanko_
Жыл бұрын
Good that you highlight some other things and can speak from personal experience with both bikes. This video will help people that as always are on the fence with choosing the big adv bike. I suppose a big reason you have the GS is because you have another bike for off-roading? So the GS can be a dedicated road tourer mostly.
@mikemerrill175
Жыл бұрын
Great quick & dirty report. Personally, I think the Triumph looks and sounds better but bought the GS due to the design refinement, handling, and most important, local dealer support.
@michaelskinner896
Жыл бұрын
My thoughts exactly.
@RichDunn
Жыл бұрын
Oil changes are every 10k on the Tiger and valves at 20k - whereas a new BMW GS is on its way to its fifth service by then! Service and parts costs are generally cheaper on the Triumph too. For reference, I've owned 4 GS's and 3 Tiger's including GS 1250's and the current Tiger 1200
@kawabungah20
Жыл бұрын
The entire recent Big Rock Moto review series of the Triumph Tiger 1200 line of models has been comprehensive and honest, surpassing any other reviews on the www. This particular (resulting) comparison review of that Triumph 1200 series to the benchmark BMW 1250 GSA machine has been a very good cap on the video series. Even though I'm drawn to the incredible Tiger engine with a brilliant final drive design, my predominant pavement style of ADV riding points me to the more proven, refined BMW. Thank you, Ian, for an exceptionally informative vlog set!
@BernardAnderson
Жыл бұрын
Once again, awesome review. Bigger bikes than I want, but very informative and helpful to me as I decide on my next bike. Thank you.
@andreasgandre6329
Жыл бұрын
I wanna go with the 1200 and a 21 wheel in front. The Engine is smooth and the Boxer is so easy to handle in lower speed 🥰
@andreasgandre6329
Жыл бұрын
@text-3190 You got mail
@Hogdriver88
Жыл бұрын
I went with the GSA - a long proven performer - the Triumph was just too tall and I couldn’t stand it up. My riding is almost all road, with occasional compacted dirt. Very happy with my choice.
@Michael_Shay
Жыл бұрын
This is entirely my opinion and honestly has nothing to do with the specs of either bike. I love the Tigers. I watch/read a lot of motorcycle content, especially adv content. I feel like the GS has had it's time. It's not a bad bike of course but I just see it on everything. I just like seeing other bikes doing long term adventures/tours/BDRs(although I appreciate BMW sponsoring them). I love seeing other bikes out there competing with it. I think I'm just bored of seeing the GS, also the Tiger sounds great.
@triumphthunderbird1
Жыл бұрын
Tiger wins for me. Bough a GT Explorer - outstanding bit of kit.
@danielpalmberg3371
Жыл бұрын
Two great bikes i assume... One thing for me is aftermarket service. Availability, cost and service level. I have no personal experience with Triumph, but have heard only bad. My personal experience with BMW is that they are amazing! I have no hesitations at all trusting the BMW, but it kosts.......
@vtrack1963
Жыл бұрын
Have you considered doing a review of the Yamaha Super Tenere? If you have done it already, I’ve been unable to find it. The reason I ask is that I see a lot of them on my travels. In this video you mentioned the ease of use in the electronics between the two bikes and the differences in the bike’s shaft drives. The Super Tenere has electronic suspension and shaft drive as well. For the most part if you want a long distance touring Adv bike with electronic suspension, cruise control, and shaft drive, the GS/GSA, Tiger 1200 GT/Rally - Pro/Explorer, and Super Tenere are a buyer’s choices (in the USA). I’m curious if there is some significant shortfall with the Super Tenere. It is much less expensive and has the appeal (perception) of being very reliable compared to the European bikes. For reference, my Adv riding is mostly pavement (98%) and good quality, unpaved roads (2%). I ride a smaller dual sport if I want to ride on anything more difficult.
@creedm3040
Жыл бұрын
Great video! I bought a GS about 9 months ago and I have enjoyed riding it very much. The primary reason I chose this bike is, as you said, the engine has been around for a long time, being improved. Also the dealer is :15 minutes away. The Triumph dealer is over an hour. Given the hot summers we have, there is no engine heat. Ergonomically speaking , its pretty much perfect. The electronics are intuitive as well. Perfect bike for me. I would to see a review of the Sidi boots you wear. Also I would like to see ideas on how to beat the heat of Summer. I have been looking at cooling vests & jackets that you submerse in water or they have ice packets. You wear these under a mesh jacket. If you have a video on this , please direct me to find it. Great job! Best!
@davidpaholak8044
Жыл бұрын
Sorry Ian, The boxer engine is just not eye appealing to me. Prefer the looks of the Triump 1200 rally pro. The menu is not hard to navigate after you owned it for a little bit. Only complaint is you have to stop to go from road mode to any form of dirt mode and back that I will say is a pain in the butt. Talked to a bunch of BMW riders while I was still riding my Indian challenger, and they told me the heat is pretty damn hot on those BMW’s, they had plastic shields over the boxers heads to keep the heat off of there legs. I can tell you, the Triumph 1200 rally pro with the design of the split radiators, and the wind deflectors keeps the heat off of you quite well. Each his own, ride safe. David
@ridethetiger1895
Жыл бұрын
I have a 2020 Tiger 900 GT Pro and was salivating at getting the new 1200 Rally Explorer. I love my 900 and the T-Plane has a got an amazing exhaust note however when it came down to it, the nearest Triumph dealer to me is in Sacramento and I didn't care for the dealer when I bought my 900 and the 2nd closest was in Reno. Both are about 3.5 hours from me. There is a BMW dealer an hour from me and had heard a ton of good things about the dealer. Long story short I went with a 2022 GSA. Had Triumph had a dealer closer to me I would've gone with the Rally Explorer but shout out to Ozzie's BMW in Chico, CA for a ridiculously simple buying experience and excellent service shop! I love both my Tiger 900 and GSA, I have had the 900 for a 1 year and 9 months 20.3k miles and only 1 problem and that was the rear brake switch failed at 1300 miles which I replaced myself for under $40, it would have cost more in fuel to get to a dealer for a warranty repair than what the part cost lol and I have had my GSA for 7 months, 10.5K miles and have had zero problems with it. Both bikes have been excellent as far as reliability goes!
@falcodog2917
Жыл бұрын
I love the engines in both of these bikes. They are some of the best ever made. I know they are popular right now but these things have become like enormous 3 row luxury SUVs. They are the polar opposite of why I'm into bikes. But hey, whatever, it's on two wheels so it's cool.
@ChipZilla69
8 күн бұрын
I jus thad my 12k service on the Tiger 900 and it cost £900 at the dealership.
@royalsales1907
Ай бұрын
Ian, your reviews are brilliant, you are y go to guy. I was considering 1200 Tiger rally pro, but am going with a r1250gsa after this review. I never go off road, but like the comfort of an adventure bike for 12hrs. My 74yo body needs to be able to stretch. Thanks again!
@LMO169
Жыл бұрын
Both great bikes. The reasons I went with the GSA are: -I found it easier to read the instruments. -I hate red backlit switch gear, so I rather don't have it. -Ease of access for valve clearance check. -It's Bavarian, like me.
@r-max4156
Жыл бұрын
well cant afford either, but enjoy your every video
@nomadpi1
8 ай бұрын
I have no desire to wrench anything. I don't want to work on a bike; I just want to ride it (at my age - near four-score yrs). I live in Tornado Alley and ride OK, TXS, NM, and KS - which has dust storms. Hence, the ease of changing the BMW air filter (compared to the Triumph air filter) sells me on the BMW.
@RayzGarage
Жыл бұрын
I bought one of the first tiger 1200s in the USA with the optional full accessory kit. That bike was a freaking blast. My first off-road ADV enduro experience was in central Pennsylvania near Penn State University, nothing but lose shale rocks, narrow trails, and steep hills, and lots of twisties. Didnt drop it all weekend until the final day when I purposely went into a mud puddle to show off and slipped into a mud bath; otherwise I wish I still had it. I can't get past the wide boxer motor on the BMW, yuck I really enjoy your channel Ian, keep up the good work. You tapped into the adventure segment where people like you are really needed.
@Kevimoto
Жыл бұрын
I guess they must have changed recently. My '23 Tiger stays in the same mode I left it in, except OFF ROAD or OFF ROAD PRO mode. I'm not a fan of that, but all the other modes stay applied, until I select another mode. 🤷♂️
@ginogina4589
Жыл бұрын
I sold my BMW RT and replaced it with a new Tiger 900 GT Pro. I rode a 3600 mile loop through the West in June and the moto performed flawlessly. Triumphs are outstanding. BTW I find the electronics on the Tiger are much more adjustable and user friendly, contrary to the review. While I think the RT is nothing short of excellent, and I love BMW motos, I found my new Triumph to be even better for my touring style.
@BigRockMoto
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing
@vailmcc
Жыл бұрын
The 900’s electronics are much easier to use, and I personally think they look better, too! I’m unsure why Triumph didn’t take the user interface from the 900, massage it a bit, and use it on the 1200!? I do miss the WonderWheel from my GS, but something I don’t miss is the vague feeling of the telelever front end on the GS. The Rally Explorer is way better than the GS off road, except at very low speeds.
@TechnikMeister2
Жыл бұрын
The killer for the Triumph here in Australia is pathetic dealer support and non-existent emergency assistance. This is a vast country and BMW have been building its dealer network assiduously for 40 years and no matter where you are in the country, and even in the middle of the desert, if you break down, they will come. But the thing is, it's rare for a GS (or any BMW) to break down anyway, and just about everyone on a ride will know how to help. You go on a Rally and 50% of the riders are on various BMWs. You hardly ever see a Triumph. The next most popular are DR650s...the Desert Tractor. The last thing is the huge, global BMW rider community. There are clubs everywhere and tech support groups in all main cities anywhere on earth. This all results in much better resale value or value retention as BMW say. Triumphs drop like a stone to 50% of RRP once you leave the showroom. As BMW riders say, "Chrome won't get you home."
@Frakaphoto
Жыл бұрын
I am ordering a GS1250 spirit, last batch before they move to the 1300. First because it’s look better with the flat twin and it’sincomparable history. Then because my 750GS was a dream bike and BMW deserve a star to build quality bikes. Then the vario case allow me to commute with two helmet and full jacket. Then resale value, then social value, then german against british…you see I did not even try it and I order it . This is brand. I am 100 sure I will not do a mistake with the GS. What else ?
@moontrekerben7801
Жыл бұрын
I think you've never work in motorcycle dealer. I work in a BMW an Triumph dealer in the same place. An what you've said about maintenance fee's... is simply not thrue. the Triumph are less expensive to maintain buddy. The air filter it take 1 hour to change on a Tiger its thrue but, I've one by the way, valves adjustment... even if Its a boxer access, are more expensive to made. You forgot to say that parts on Triumph are way lower that the bmw. When you bring a BMW to a dealership, it is very expensive.... if you compare on a 100000km.
@williamfurniss8709
Жыл бұрын
Very much in the market for either one of these bikes. Been researching for at least 9-months. This is exactly what I've been looking for! Great job as always Ian. (Still leaning GS BTW)
@szeriman13
Жыл бұрын
good choise.
@Panda-xd2tg
11 ай бұрын
I think comparing ot to a bike you own... really shows. Everything that triumph was good with..was either brushed over or was reduced... where the BMW was awsome on all levels... I'll get a review from someone who doesn't own eithed
@justing9523
Жыл бұрын
My nod will go to which one has less vibrations in the bars at sustained freeway speeds, and an emphasis on smooth airflow off the fairing and windshield
@MrChrisOcean
Жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot. I’ve been thinking and finally my choice will be GS. Thanks a lot.
@markjenkins8422
9 ай бұрын
I traded the BMW GSA for the Triumph and for me I’m happy I did so. Both are grew bikes but I am far more comfortable on the Tiger
@ragetobe
Жыл бұрын
I see a LOT of GS bikes riding around my area that clearly never go off road, this is backed up by nearly every tour channel on KZitem showing tours in Europe never leaving the tarmac. I get the advantages of being higher on the bike but that fact is most guys/girls are buying these bikes for looks and looks alone.
@jonathanbilling2131
Жыл бұрын
Agree about the Tiger electronics. Clumsy. Setting ride modes should be physical switch in my opinion. Simple and quick. Tiger overall though is great fun ride.
@eddiewhittingham5210
Жыл бұрын
It is,you press the mode switch ?
@jonathanbilling2131
Жыл бұрын
@@eddiewhittingham5210 It is a joystick which you then use to navigate menus on screen to choose ride mode etc. Cannot be done without taking eyes off the road.
@eddiewhittingham5210
Жыл бұрын
@@jonathanbilling2131 you can toggle to change modes but it will also change if you keep pressing the mode switch (you can on mine anyway😀) agree you do have to look down but I believe that applies to all bikes ?
@jonathanbilling2131
Жыл бұрын
@@eddiewhittingham5210 Thanks Eddie. I missed completely and was only using toggle. The M switch is way easier. Glad to have learned before to many miles.
@eddiewhittingham5210
Жыл бұрын
@@jonathanbilling2131 took me a while to work it out 😂
@georgeloveless6339
Жыл бұрын
If you wear out a clutch on the triumph, it's a couple hundred bucks. The gs however is several thousand dollars...
@gibran508
Жыл бұрын
Soon I will purchase my first bike . I'm confused between an ADV bike and Naked street
@taffy2wheels577
Жыл бұрын
I Tested Both . Unfortunately they dont offer a DCT like my Honda Africa twin 1100L Having said this i like the GS and the Tiger . Its like splitting hairs. Carnt afford both lol
@durden300
Жыл бұрын
People who chooses the Tiger 1200 over the GS have something called good taste. Ahí va otro wey con una GS, tiempo de cambiar! Todos como borregos
@TriumphAventura
Жыл бұрын
In Brazil the Tiger is the best option for the prize and what it offers, BMW, Ducati and god forgive us Panamericans are too expensive...
@africatwinpl9597
Жыл бұрын
I simply hate the looks of the GS…looks ugly as . At the end of the day, Iines and design is something I am drawn towards to.
@Tom-zy6ke
Жыл бұрын
Excellent video, very objective and balanced, and well presented. I know Triumph is playing catch-up with BMW but I believe they are gaining ground and the competition should be good for the consumer. Two thoughts: reliability and cost to maintain / repair will emerge over time but will be a factor in purchasing decisions; and the fact that many car makers are now using triple engines means the R&D effort should yield some interesting innovation over the next few years in triple engine design over the boxer style.
@bryaningall1152
Жыл бұрын
On the maintenance section you missed clutch replacement pribably 2 days work on a GS and about an hour for the Triumph, I do feel you are quite biased to the GS
@BigRockMoto
Жыл бұрын
That hasn't been true on the GS since 2013. GS is easy now
@bryaningall1152
Жыл бұрын
@@BigRockMoto They have improved it but still not easy I bet I could still do a Triumph a lot quicker than a GS
@TBassBrann
Жыл бұрын
Fuel Consumption - I would be interested to know if the Triple is far more thristy than the BMW
@wackomedic911
Жыл бұрын
I tested the tiger against a GSA for a local magazine. to my frustration, you could not switch between road and offroad modes on the triumph... i mean, its 2023?!
@juliusjacob1416
Жыл бұрын
This is probably an unpopular opinion, but I really like the looks of the GS. Even though you see them literally everywhere, there's just something cool about them. No other big adv bike can match it imo except for maybe the multistrada v4.
@BigRockMoto
Жыл бұрын
Agree
@jd5348
Жыл бұрын
Ditto.
@TLE1977A
Жыл бұрын
Tiger looks better. I dont understand why the GS has that large beak and asymmetrical headlight design. Seems the front is loaded with a mass of unneeded plastic.
@chamade166
Жыл бұрын
Triumph needed to do a lot better with the new 1200, considering a new GS is around the corner. It will be another sales flop.
@illustr8rjoe
Жыл бұрын
I was going with the Tiger, but your observation about maintenance stands out. I already have a Tiger 800 and have had to take that tank off more times than I would like for different reasons. If only a 21" front wheel wasn't such a pricey accessory for the GS
@michaelskinner896
Жыл бұрын
I really enjoy all of your reviews. Understandably, you indicated that this wasn't a full comparison review, but I'd like to know which bike has better lighting. For example, short/medium distance, and side illumination particularly when cornering. I ride a fair amount in the dark and lighting is important to me for seeing and being seen. Very few if any reviews anywhere cover this topic. Thanks!
@ridethetiger1895
Жыл бұрын
I am fortunate to own a 2020 Tiger 900 GT Pro and a 2022 GSA. I know the lighting is a bit different on the new 1200 but I will give you my impression between the two since I ride home at night 4 nights a week for my commute. I will say I don't know the difference with just the headlights since I use the factory auxiliary/foglights at night on both bikes all the time in conjunction. The Tiger has the better low beam however the GSA has the better high beam. The other nice thing about the GSA is that when you turn the high beams on the auxiliary lights stay on whereas for the Tiger, when you switch the high beam on it shuts off the auxiliary lights. The Tiger factory auxiliary lights are better as well as they push more light out to the sides of the road. I put about 6k to 8k miles a year at night and I as well found the lack of reviews about lighting annoying as well! Hope this helped.
@michaelskinner896
Жыл бұрын
@@ridethetiger1895 Wow, thanks for this response, and it's very much appreciated! There's always pro's and con's to different systems as well, but that's par for the course. You mentioned different lighting on the 1200 vs. the 900. Any ideas or thoughts between those two? Even though my 2018 Africa Twin has an LED headlight, I think it's really lacking on low beam. High beam is better, but I can't ride around with that on all of the time, haha.
@ronbailey8370
Жыл бұрын
I like what Triumph has done with the Tiger, but I'd still take the GS. Peace.
@sdfiske64
Жыл бұрын
I like the styling of the new 1200. I'm sure the cost of ownership is lower for the triumph
@slalomking
Жыл бұрын
Ian, the short videos are ok. Just hitting the highlights is all that’s needed in between the more in depth videos.
@alrightdave6135
5 ай бұрын
What about the elephant in the room. Bmw build quality and poor reliability.
@disekjoumoer
Жыл бұрын
I'd buy neither (if I actually rode offroad). I'd get the KTM.
@kellyjohna
Жыл бұрын
Very good and thoughtful review. The ease of maintenance was one of the first things I noticed when I got my first BMW.
@milesdavis8665
Жыл бұрын
But over all I think Id go with the GS as well. That's a pretty bike Ian!!!
@ADVScott342
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for adding maintenance intervals and general maintenance operation probably the most overlooked topic when I watch reviews.
@BigRockMoto
Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@DucatiDale
Жыл бұрын
They were wrong for the triumph so not really helpful 😂
@DearMajesty
Жыл бұрын
Did you have stalling and starting issues with your Triumph Tiger 1200?
@inspectorclouseau3880
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for another great review Ian, is just shows how difficult it is the beat the GS, it's an older design but can still compete with a new Tiger
@0HARE
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for a great comparison review, Ian. I love both these bikes, and had been leaning hard toward the Triumph. The maintenance issues are probably what will sway me to the BMW. I’m used to the 21” front wheel from my current bikes, so that will be something different to consider. I have my little ‘21 Honda CRF 300 Rally for playing in the dirt, and the big bike would be mostly for touring. Rock On
@UnicornMoto
Жыл бұрын
I don’t see if this video is about the 2023 Tiger or the previous version.
@raymccormack1553
Жыл бұрын
Thank for covering the maintenance issues. I agree that they are overlooked in reviews but for me very important
@PatRick-bg4dm
Жыл бұрын
0:30 anything is said with Gold Standard. Tune in again next time 🖖👋
@jimmydafish
Жыл бұрын
@BigRockMoto , Another good review Eric. I currently own a 1200GS and a Capanord. Previously owned a Super Tenere. Having ridden both bikes , I kinda like the Tiger just a tad more. I like the engine's power delivery and suspension!
@BigRockMoto
Жыл бұрын
Good choice!
@jameshicks8742
Жыл бұрын
Guys I am really curious, I own a 1200gs now and I am thinking of trading in for a newer bike. Either one would be an upgrade but I live in Phoenix Arizona. The temps this time of year get into the 115f range. I owned a 2012 Tiger 800xc previously and I honestly was miserable due to the engine heat unless I was riding in 60F weather... I would like to know if I am going to be encountering the same issue with the Tiger 1200. I know there have been dramatic improvements with Triumph since 2012 however I am not sure what others have experienced.
@BigRockMoto
Жыл бұрын
The 1200 has excellent heat management
@Squatch_Rider66
Жыл бұрын
Would love to see a similar rundown to include the KTM 1290 and HD Pan America
@kjonasson10
Жыл бұрын
X2
@kellyabercrombie9769
Жыл бұрын
I love the format. 12 minutes or less is perfect.
@kerrizor
Жыл бұрын
I own both these bikes; my maintenance costs are exactly the same.
@mooreorlessvideos
Жыл бұрын
Well he's use to bmw so of course he gets frustrated withe triumph
@suresh4090
Жыл бұрын
Which of the 2 vibrates less? That will be my choice.
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