Hey pals! Quick update to prevent confusion here. The newly released Honour Mode has some exclusive balance changes, among which is not allowing Pact of the Blade's Extra Attack to stack with other sources. On Tactician or lower, this build will still work perfectly as presented here, but on Honour mode you'll only get 2 attacks/action. In general, I think you will *still* be best off with Paladin 7 Warlock 5, as that gets you two level 3 smites per short rest, but other breakpoints like lock 3 pal 9 are more viable now.
@Sirfrigth
8 ай бұрын
Hey I may be late to ask but when I select smites It dosent let me select from the warlock spells, im doing 8 pal 4 warlock so i can get the 3 feats so 4 into char and 1 great weapon master but i dont know what to do with the -5, im early act 3 about to go to lower city
@adamnowicki1425
8 ай бұрын
@@Sirfrigth Hi, check if your reactions are properly set, also imo 7/5 is better, as 3d attack is superior option to 3rd feat, if -5 makes you miss too often you can switch it off in passives tab
@whale4191
8 ай бұрын
You wouldn't get two attacks per action. You only get your "extra attack" once per round that's part of the balancing.
@adamnowicki1425
8 ай бұрын
@@whale4191 it still works in tactician, only honour mode is affected
@whale4191
8 ай бұрын
@@adamnowicki1425 but I'm responding to the part where he said "on honour mode you'll only get 2 attacks/action" which is incorrect. You only get 2 attacks on your first action in a round, in honour mode.
@kaleeshwarlord
8 ай бұрын
Quick tip to make Minthara an oathbreaker: If you just got to moonrise and immediately recruit Minthara there, you can head right over to the moonrise tower kitchen where the halfling lady is controlling the gnolls, and just play as Minthara and help her keep her control over the gnolls. That will break the oath of vengeance (and then you can interact with the halfling with a different character if you want to make the gnoll kill her)
@davidgreedy8920
8 ай бұрын
You sure it’s telling me to go in at my own risk by myself which I don’t want to as I’m in honor mode
@kaleeshwarlord
8 ай бұрын
Yeah it said that for me too, but so far I haven't seen anything negative happen, even when I took Minthara with me up to talk to Z'rell. Other than her initial breakout, nobody at Moonrise has noticed she's with me at all despite the game warning me. @@davidgreedy8920
@xXL1onHeart
7 ай бұрын
Thank. I couldn’t bear with harming Scratch. lol
@oval291
6 ай бұрын
Thank you.
@ichsagnix4127
Ай бұрын
@Cephalopocalypse Please pin that comment, it's very helpful.
@TheLostShoes
8 ай бұрын
Thanks for the build! A quick tip to break Minthara's oath more safely: respect to oath of ancients or devotion, go to the docks at moonrise towers, question the worker there about the cargo, tell him to wash off the worms. That's it, no dogs must go to heaven.
@kukipett
7 ай бұрын
My paladin broke his oath by just destroying a spying eye, that's weird and i was flabergasted when it happened it the moonrise prison.
@TheLostShoes
7 ай бұрын
@@kukipett oh, that's funny. I usually kill all guards and eyes before freeing the tieflings and that never happened for me.
@kukipett
7 ай бұрын
@@TheLostShoes I tried to replicate this with Minthara yesterday evening but it did not work but she doesn't have the same oath. It happenend with Karlach when i made a build with a mix of Barbarian and palladin.
@slaminjaminotter7286
5 ай бұрын
@@kukipettthe most ridiculous part of this is that the scrying eyes are controlled by gortash (or at least by someone employed by gortash) so it is now canon that gortash is an innocent
@lokilucario
7 ай бұрын
Killing scratch almost made me unsub ngl😂 unforgivable
@Leftside08
7 ай бұрын
I like that your builds really seem to click with the companions and that they don’t overly rely on elixir or broken item combos. The companion you showcase makes me feel like it’s believable for them and that is really satisfying
@schmian95
Ай бұрын
FYI. The easiest way to break oath is to switch to devotion, toggle on non-lethal, knock out an enemy, and execute them after battle. Can be done at pretty much any point in the game, so this seems like the most reliable way to become an oathbreaker.
@AzraelTK
10 ай бұрын
I'm happy that you don't need the hags hair for this build. A lot of builds uses them and there is only one hag, but a lot of chars
@hanzdekker1
9 ай бұрын
You can also infinitely break the Oath of Vengeance on a certain locked cage door in the Emerald Grove. Even if the door is wide open after you do it the first time you can touch it over and over again to keep re-breaking your oath. Attacking the dog caused the other potential party members in camp to become hostile and attack me.
@Cephalopocalypse
9 ай бұрын
Good tip!
@NerdyStarProductions
10 ай бұрын
technically any of your companions can get the hags hair. The hags hair is just an item reward, so if you explicitly plan to aquire a future companion who you want to give the hair to, you can just select the stat you want to boost for them and hold onto the hair item until youve recruited them.
@Cephalopocalypse
10 ай бұрын
Of course! I honestly forgot it was a consumable rather than a dialogue choice - I've never delayed taking it :P
@Chonus
8 ай бұрын
There used to be a glitch where the owl bear would eat it during a cut scene, I lost it on my first playthrough like that.
@lokilucario
7 ай бұрын
@@Chonusyeah thankfully patch 6 fixed that. I lost 2 hours of gameplay once I realized that happened and went back. Thankfully it wasn't more than that
@richardweems4517
10 ай бұрын
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@Cephalopocalypse
10 ай бұрын
Thank you friendly robot! :D
@werbehannes
8 ай бұрын
Thank you again for your lovely build guide. 104% appreciated. One thing: Tried to get the Oathbreaker Mintara in Act 3 and just followed your guide. Killing an innocent is not the right oathbreak for vengance (damn .... half of the city is dead until i figured that out). To save some time: in act 3 you can break the vengance oath if you go to the windmill in rivington - let the new born mindflayer alive and give him a fresh dead body.
@Cephalopocalypse
8 ай бұрын
Thanks, glad you liked it! Good to know - I'm not sure what happened there though, because killing an innocent *should* still break vengeance - I wonder if everyone in the city isn't properly marked as innocent for some reason.
@werbehannes
8 ай бұрын
Hmmm - after i killed half of the town i finally asked google. And all guides say that to break the vengeance oath you need to make a an "unholy" decision when you see a crime. Like freeing Sazza - or in my case helping the new Mindflayer. Maybe its in your case just working cause you killed scratcher? Some people say scratcher is a special case. @@Cephalopocalypse
@YoungKProductions
8 ай бұрын
Can't wait to try this build in my next playthrough
@Cephalopocalypse
8 ай бұрын
It's super fun! Glad you enjoyed the video :D
@makanoification
10 ай бұрын
You deserve way more subs, thank you for being very specific in your builds unlike other videos
@whyamihere2k
8 ай бұрын
Oh this is fun, this is exactly the build concept I was thinking of making for my evil playthrough, good to find some help optimizing
@PaladinNathan
10 ай бұрын
I plan on putting this build on a pretty pink Asmodeus tiefling. Total opposites from build to character appearance, thank you for the build!
@RotGodKing
9 ай бұрын
You monster! Cant believe you broke your oath like that.
@Cephalopocalypse
9 ай бұрын
Luckily when the timeline collapsed he was fine!
@ophten
3 ай бұрын
As a side note, you get a scimitar off the first combat in the nautiloid which is finesse. Its not wonderful, but you do decent damage with it and can even go dual scimitars before you get to the second round of combat if you so choose.
@MoongladeDruid
9 ай бұрын
look away? nah it'll be fine whats the worst... YOU BASTID!! :P great video thank you
@FaIIenSkater91
9 ай бұрын
Super high quality video here man, keep up the good work
@krylond
5 ай бұрын
if you want the hags hair for Minthara, you can get it, select charisma and keep it in your pack until you get her.
@Zenshu1
10 ай бұрын
What is the point of going back to level 1 before becoming oathbreaker? Is there some reason you need to go back through the levels as an oathbreaker paladin rather than just keeping the choices you already made and becoming an oathbreaker? I get that you can no longer respec as an oathbreaker, but why do you need to respec in the first place?
@Cephalopocalypse
10 ай бұрын
It's not actually necessary, it just makes it easier to make sure you have everything right, and made the video work a little better - I've also heard some reports that it can be buggy if you're already multiclassed when you break your oath, where some people will lose levels or have them converted to paladin, so I figured better safe than sorry. You can see even at level 1 it's buggy because it shows the character as being level 2 in the oathbreaker screen.
@JoeyCentral
9 ай бұрын
Yo early Happy New Years man. Just want to say that I appreciate the videos that you make for these builds. I love how you make them viable but not cheesy or broken. I honestly would love to see a lore friendly Minthara build from you. I want to make a new playthrough and have her recruited in my party all throughout the campaign. Anyways, thank you for making these videos and Happy New Years.
@Cephalopocalypse
9 ай бұрын
Hey, thanks so much for the support! I really appreciate it - happy new year to you too! Really appreciate the kind words as well. I actually think my recently posted bardadin build would work very well for Minthara's lore, though I'll also have a more paladin-centric build for her soon!
@dragonbane3426
10 ай бұрын
You can easily break any of the paladin oaths early, specifically the vengeance oath by freeing sanza in the druid grove, of course thats if your're running this build as a main character from the start of the game, you just need to open the cage and the oath will break
@Cephalopocalypse
10 ай бұрын
True! For Devotion, it also breaks if you *leave* her in prison (not sure about Ancients). There's a ton of story methods of course - killing an innocent is just the one you can most reliably time to when you want to switch builds. I think there's one oath that breaks if you leave shadowheart in the pod on the nautilus, so I *think* that's the fastest way, but haven't tested it myself.
@christinehede7578
10 ай бұрын
Sazza
@miked2232
10 ай бұрын
@@Cephalopocalypse fastest way in my experience has been to kill the tieflings guarding Lae'zel. Works for every oath too.
@HurrikanEagle
10 ай бұрын
@@Cephalopocalypse I recently did a Devotion run and I saved Sazza but I left her in prison and my oath did not break fwiw
@gchristopherklug
10 ай бұрын
@@christinehede7578I wondered how I did that
@orenmontgomery8250
22 күн бұрын
23:46 I think you get the hair as a consumable item that you could just hold on to until you wanted to give it to Minthara. 🤔
@meowitzzer767
9 ай бұрын
I just found your channel today, and have watched at least 5 of your videos. You make the best build vids I’ve seen, and I’m very excited to try them out! Thank you for your hard work! Question: with Pact of the Blade extra attack and Paladin extra attack not stacking in Honor mode, do you think going strength based and Pact of the Tome might be better for a Lockadin? Maybe not, the stat point distribution might screw too many things up.
@yargeht
9 ай бұрын
Looking very forward to the house of grief fight now with this build
@themonkeyking5
Ай бұрын
You killed Scratch! John Wick would like a word with you. Lol 😆
@lukaszprasolik9064
8 ай бұрын
When you killed Scratch it was painful... But then you say "you wouldn't be able to redo your character from Scratch" i started crying and laughing 😢😂
@gchristopherklug
10 ай бұрын
I love your channel. Love love love!
@Cephalopocalypse
10 ай бұрын
Thanks so much! Really appreciate the kind words :D
@FuwaNekoNya
10 ай бұрын
Any recommended "innocent" npcs for minthara to eviscerate? I don't wanna hurt best boi 😢
@CloudedJudgementx
9 ай бұрын
I went dark urge for oathbreakee and I killed the strange ox at last light through dialogue. That broke my oath and you dont have to hurt anyone "innocent". You could also go vengeance and stop the tiefling in the druid grove from killing the captive goblin.
@mattwestfall9216
2 ай бұрын
I wanted to do an oathbreaker for my durge. Glad i finally found your build for it your others hacnt failed me yet.
@MrTaskmaster1
9 ай бұрын
Armor of Agathas(spelled wrong) does way more than just give you a few hp. It last until long rest and does 5 points/level cast to anyone who hits you. Upcast this at the highest level you can and it is just guaranteed damage each time you are hit. Solid build though.
@Rain1
8 ай бұрын
Yeah I've started playing the game for the firs time recently and based off the tooltip description of the skill I thought it was going to be a one time thing and that the armor was gonna run out when the temporary hp did and the cold damage on hitting my character would go away. It seems it stays... So they just take damage for hitting me every time lol.
@edo2514
9 ай бұрын
Awesome vid! Another thing to remember is Patriar's Memory from the Mirror of Loss which gives a +1 to CHA, freeing up the Hag Hair for someone else while getting you the same benefits elsewhere. Went with 8/14/16/8/10/17 for this with plans to get to 20 after ASI (CHA) and then Patriar's. That said, it's a very very finnicky thing requiring save-scumming so I get not wanting to rely on that. How do you feel about Great Weapon Master versus Alert?
@bahamut458
4 ай бұрын
I don’t understand the purpose of the level 4 oath breaker save and respec. I was 1 paladin/3 warlock when I broke my oath, doesn’t the game simply change that original lvl 1 paladin level to oathbreaker?
@Cephalopocalypse
4 ай бұрын
At the time this was recorded there were a *lot* of bugs with oathbreaking (you can even see we're briefly level 13 in the character creation screen here, which should be impossible). The respec was for safety with those.
@bahamut458
4 ай бұрын
@@Cephalopocalypse epic, thanks for the quick response. Starting a duo tactician run with this oathbreaker and the gloom stalker from your recent video. Noticed the Lockadin in that video is now devotion. Any changes to this build or does this still work?
@paulcassimere2570
3 ай бұрын
24:06 You could get the hair and then just not use it until your Tav or Minthara gets to the point of where you want to use it
@jud6651
8 ай бұрын
Nice build, I've played a very similar one in tabletop DnD and its a lot of fun.
@legendarytitan7793
4 ай бұрын
you could also if you're really stretching out attack number get a 4th one with a offhand hand crossbow if you're not using bonus action
@williammenjivar2767
5 ай бұрын
If you don’t want to use a spell slot for darkness you can have someone carry darkness arrows
@olcadan_13
6 ай бұрын
diadem of arcane synergy is broken for blade warlocks. adds another charisma modifier to weapon damage (so for this and GWM it would be +25 to each hit) when inflicting a condition. with the illithid power displace and repelling blast, every eldritch blast gives you two turns of arcane synergy
@hametsuj
10 ай бұрын
Another build straight out of my current playthrough. My favorite build for Tav. Charisma based so you are the face of the party, heavy focus on one primary attribute, incredibly powerful both offensively and defensively for the entire party. That said, I prefer to start as a Warlock and level all the way to level 5 before adding Paladin. This gives you the extra attack with your Bound weapon as early as possible, as well as level 3 spells/spellslots. This means that once you hit level 7(Paladin level 2), you can Smite upcasted to level 3 right away. I also prefer to take Friends at Warlock level 1. This makes your Cha skills almost always succeed from early on. Also... you monster.
@Cephalopocalypse
10 ай бұрын
Sure! Honestly, I think the levelling order makes a pretty small difference, though level 1 paladin can make the nautilus tough on tactician. The only downside of starting warlock is losing heavy armor access - personally, I think it's worth delaying the build one level to get that, but the difference is very small imo. My suggested order also gets you to warlock 5 / pal 2 at level 7, so at that point the builds are identical, but with slightly different skill and armor proficiencies. It was the only way!
@haleyyelah
6 ай бұрын
Just wanted to say thanks for this build! I am doing my first tactician run and I’m finally getting to the point where the build really comes together. It’s fun, powerful, but still has some versatility, which suits my playstyle nicely. I also really appreciate that this doesn’t rely on a bunch of elixirs or specific pieces of gear to work well. Thanks!
@OakandIV
10 ай бұрын
A build I have been very interested in trying! What is the other build that does equal DPS? I was planning a Sorlock machine gun for my next run, but this is tempting.
@Cephalopocalypse
10 ай бұрын
This one is super fun! Definitely recommended if you love doing damage and making the AI go crazy (thanks to darkness). The other build I was thinking of was Tavern Brawler thrower, it also gets to apply double attribute mod on a 2-handed weapon three times per turn - full build guide coming soon!
@DavionAngeles
10 ай бұрын
Eldritch Knight 11 War Priest 1 throwing build is the next highest damage build.
@OakandIV
10 ай бұрын
@@DavionAngeles I get the three attacks plus bonus attack plus action surge, and that is pretty amazing. But how does the EK-WC match the damage boost from smites?
@DavionAngeles
10 ай бұрын
@@OakandIV it stacks damage riders.
@ixchel9611
Ай бұрын
im dumb cause i dont understand dnd mechanics but does this still work if you break your oath earlier on? or do you have to wait to get to lvl 5?
@stepanivanov2573
8 ай бұрын
Like your videos and your way of thinking. But dude, you didn’t say a WORD about savage attacker feat. But this feat is a must for any paladin. And why did you dump your STR to 8? Wouldn’t be better to leave it at least at 10 to avoid str and melee attack penalties?
@Cephalopocalypse
8 ай бұрын
SA is a reasonable pick for this build if you have another way of reaching 20 CHA (Ethyl's hair, for example), but it mostly gives you higher average damage on smites, which doesn't patch any of the weaknesses of the build and instead doubles down on something it already does more than enough of - Alert will make you much safer and more effective overall if you have an extra feat. You don't need strength for this build as it uses charisma to calculate attacks.
@stepanivanov2573
8 ай бұрын
@@Cephalopocalypse now I see your point. Thank you
@Jaszmind777
9 ай бұрын
Love your videos. I watch you more than any other bg3 peeps. But please, can you make a video about savage attacker? Like how good is it mathematically? It just sounds stronger than +2 str over all but not sure. Help senpai!!
@dantilan
8 ай бұрын
Are there any noteworthy gloves this build should be using? If not, you could use the Gloves of Dexterity from the creche and fix the only real downside the build has which is the abysmal STR score. It works perfectly fine for a companion, but having a shitty jump on top of a really low carry weight is torture for a (party face) PC.
@kcoppa
5 ай бұрын
Strength elixir
@edwardflores6604
8 ай бұрын
Because we can càst Enmity on ourselves would I it not be better to go and stay Ven
@AirLancer
2 ай бұрын
24:00 Couldn't you just hold on to the Hag's Hair item you get from Ethel until you recruit Minthara?
@packgrog
Ай бұрын
Mother of god! Killing Scratch is the most evil thing possible! So not worth it!
@Vinicius-xm3cy
9 ай бұрын
You can also get the +1 and + 2 carisma boost from the end of shadown heart quest (just be sure to only use the religion check after geting the +1 bonus) thus making the hag bonus not needed/almost useless fir minthara
@disgaealikerasapOG
8 ай бұрын
dont they stack
@Blind8K
10 ай бұрын
Itemization-wise, using this exact build with Gauntlets of Hill Giant Strength from House of Hope and the Balduran's Giantslayer from Ansur would add ANOTHER flat +6 source of damage, an extra +1 to hit, and opens up great weapon master even more. Since the greatsword adds your strength modifier to your damage twice, it doesn't use your charisma anymore but Aura of Hate still applies and obviously all of your spells still exist. It's probably the best weapon to pair with this build if you're using great weapon master. Otherwise, it's probably Belm or Duelist's Prerogative. As a side-note: I think mathematically speaking, while this build does have slightly higher PEAK damage assuming maximum rolls, you'll do far more average damage taking Savage Attacker even instead of a +2 charisma ASI. All it has to do is average +6 damage, which it will easily do given the sheer amount of damage dice involved with everything the build does, especially with how often you'll be critting with darkness advantage and all the crit range increasing gear in the game. Savage Attacker is almost always a must-pick for Paladins because it rerolls smite dice as well-- even more-so if you're running a 2d6 weapon!
@Cephalopocalypse
10 ай бұрын
True! I try to steer clear of specific items for these builds where possible, but those are all excellent suggestions! Savage Attacker instead of an ASI is something I honestly hadn't considered. I have just done some very rough math and if I'm right you get: ~even (technically -0.06) avg damage on normal attacks ~ +2.5 damage on a level 1 smite, and +1.25 damage per additional smite level However, that isn't taking into account Great Weapon Fighting, which doesn't play very well with Savage Attacker, so the actual change is something like: ~ -1 damage per normal attack ~ +1 on a level 1 smite, +0.5 per smite level. All of this at the cost also of -1 to hit. Overall I think the ASI is better for *this* version with Aura of Hate, but if you didn't have that, Savage Attacker would probably be better. Interesting!
@maikbaumann1250
9 ай бұрын
so if i dont want to play with darkness can i still use great weapon master or is the advantage to important because otherwise i miss to often? or would you say with 20 charisma -5 isnt a problem? because in my book hitting 3 times is better then hitting 2 times with 20 extra dmg or 1 time with 10. i know about ring but that thing is for asterion 😁
@kenzovich9225
9 ай бұрын
Yes Giantslayer is insane, but you would lose extra attack from pact of the blade if you don't bind it as a pact weapon. Just bind Giantslayer and you should still add your normal 1x strength modifier to damage. 2x str mod ain't worth losing the extra attack from pact of the blade.
@Blind8K
9 ай бұрын
@@kenzovich9225 this is incorrect :D you would bind the weapon with pact of the blade, of course, but a bound weapon will still use your Strength/Dexterity score for the weapon if it is higher than your charisma-- it doesn't override it to charisma regardless of your higher stat! The weapon itself still adds +STR to the damage as part of it's own feature, so it functions exactly as I described :D Do note, however, that Pact of the Blade's extra attack NO LONGER STACKS with regular extra attack from fighter/paladin/ranger/barbarian in HONOR MODE! In all other difficulties it still stacks for three attacks.
@Blind8K
9 ай бұрын
@@Cephalopocalypse With how DRS works in all difficulties OUTSIDE of honor mode, savage attacker applies to all branched effects! This includes things like Phalar Aluve, the various +1d4/+1d6 effects like hex, hunter's mark, divine favor, etc, as well as like 20 different pairs of gloves and rings! I know the video isn't assuming specific items, but it'd be nothing short of a crime to assume the character doesn't use ANY items! Definitely worth mentioning :) Honor mode messes with this a fair bit-- just like it messes with everything else posted before its release... lol-- but definitely still worth mentioning and hopefully helpful to anyone who reads this and is still playing on balanced or tactician! Keep up the good work Ceph! Always a treat to catch your videos :D
@ToxicallyMasculinelol
3 ай бұрын
you can respec an oathbreaker, you just need to redeem their oath first.
@DieGurke_
3 ай бұрын
Hi how does this build compare to 2Pala/ 8Swordsbard/Fighter? Swordsbard give you much higher Smites Fighter for Action Surge And you can use Gauntletss of Giant Str for your Attacks And ofc Eversight Ring for Darkness Extra Atk Stacking doesnt work in Honor Mode after all
@spadam0
6 ай бұрын
I don't understand why it is important to break your oath at level 1 paladin.
@thomasrosendahl2783
5 ай бұрын
This build gets even stronger with a single dip into War Cleric, both for an extra attack and the Guidance cantrip. 4 warlock and of course 7 Paladin for aura of protection or aura of hate.
@kearysuska21
3 ай бұрын
Doing this exchanges extra attack always for only 3 extras per long rest, as well as losing repelling blast for guidance which you can get on an item in act 1 or on a companion.
@Strmshadow73
9 ай бұрын
For tactician, i would do 2 sorcerer, 5 paladin, 5 warlock. Converting those sorcery points into smites is just too damn good!
@stephenjudaysr8915
9 ай бұрын
You can SAVE the HAG hair if you want to use it on Minthara later...just keep it in your inventory.
@Cephalopocalypse
9 ай бұрын
Yep - when making this video I just plumb forgot it was an item for a moment
@tetefather
8 ай бұрын
if you're gonna just keep it in your bag, forget about the owlbear cub questline because there's a bug where the game automatically feeds the hag hair to the cub during cutscene and it's gone forever lol..
@stephenjudaysr8915
8 ай бұрын
I have completed 4 playthroughs now and have never lost the hag hair. Are you sure that bug has not been fixed? @@tetefather
@tetefather
8 ай бұрын
@@stephenjudaysr8915 happened to me 3 days ago
@demonwares
7 ай бұрын
What do you mean you can't respec oathbreaker? If I pay the 1000 to attone, then respec and break oath again, doesn't that work? I was hoping to get the 23 charisma neck then respec on my pure oathbreaker paladin to this.
@christinehede7578
10 ай бұрын
I have finished all the quests in the first region and just reached level five. I have no idea who to kill to break my oath. If I attack scratch in the camp all the other party members get hostile. I killed a couple of the druids in druids grove but that did not trigger the oath breaking. Help.
@Cephalopocalypse
10 ай бұрын
That's odd! I thought killing any nonhostile NPC would break it. Maybe because the druids can become hostile, they don't have the same flag? The wiki (bg3wiki, not the fextralife one - I'd link but youtube would remove it) has a list of oathbreaking actions under each paladin oath - it's not complete but might give you an idea of when you can do it next. Spoiler-heavy of course, however! Also just to check: any fights you start through dialogue won't count, you have to actually attack them unprovoked. You can also probably use Scratch's fetch mechanic to move him to somewhere in camp no one can see you, though that starts to feel pretty macabre :P
@christinehede7578
10 ай бұрын
@@Cephalopocalypse I attacked the two druids sitting at the table where you speak to the guy that gives you the info on the nightsinger. I did not speak to them first and i was the one that initiated the battle and got the final kill. I also killed the boar that is wandering at the top of the hill near the gate. I am pretty frustrated at this point as I spent a lot of time reloading and getting nowhere, I feel it may be better just staying vengeance but I have already done a play through as one, perhaps if I swapped to one of the other oaths first it may be easier.
@JasonRodriguezPsiven-JR
9 ай бұрын
You mention one other build that can do the same damage. What build is that?
@mikeyt5453
9 ай бұрын
Does dark justiciar set activate when in the darkness cloud?
@JT-um9vu
9 ай бұрын
LOL i tried to kill scratch on my honor run.. aggroed the whole camp and got killed !!! HAHAHAHAHAA
@brandondodson2954
7 ай бұрын
Killing scratch made this build f tier
@NappaBomb93
9 ай бұрын
Ok so apparently i got minthara the game breaking way and the only ways i have to break her oath currently are unavailable so do i just follow the build and respec the next time im able th break the oath?
@parno.7467
9 ай бұрын
isnt great weapon mastery better than 2 more charisma points?
@andrewholmes6906
10 ай бұрын
My next playthrough will be a Durge Paladin/Warlock build. The idea of being a corrupted Paladin who is fighting his evil nature while trying to do good is RP gold for me. My plan was to use a One-Hand weapon(most likely a warhammer) and shield. This video only helps cement that but I'm assuming I'd lose out on some damage with the loss of Great Weapon Fighting, while taking Dueling - which I'm assuming is the next best choice?
@KyleHead
10 ай бұрын
Dueling with a shield is definitely powerful enough with this build, even if it’s not totally optimal. I played a very similar build using Astarion as player character using a 1h and shield for the majority of the game until I got the Duelist’s Prerogative in act 3 and dropped the shield. Still VERY powerful.
@Cephalopocalypse
10 ай бұрын
Sounds very fun! Yeah, Duelist or Defense are you best bets for a one-handed build, and while you do get a little less damage, you do also get access to some very cool shields. Two that come to mind are the one that boosts initiative, a weak point for this character, and the one that gives enemies disadvantage on saves vs fear, which you will be causing a *lot* of.
@iyanburlock9890
9 ай бұрын
bring wyll with you in Act 2 to save the "captured infernal agent" and you can get a Rapier that can use Cha instead of str or dex
@julianolima7215
7 ай бұрын
my buid you can also make on warrior combo. warlock 5 warrior 6.
@quaffie
10 ай бұрын
i am currently playing dark urge paladin warlock :D
@levigenesis6350
10 ай бұрын
Warlock doesnt suit the Durge if your trying to stick with canon, Paladin as vengeance maybe but you could rp that the warlock patron is the absolute but again doesnt really fit
@quaffie
10 ай бұрын
durge lost his memories, but still urges for blood thogh he chose to become a paladin and fight for good and justice. like wyll he saw the need to packt with a devil to do good
@Cephalopocalypse
10 ай бұрын
Great use for the character, also tons of synergy with the cloak
@Jakepf
8 ай бұрын
Okay, so NOW my only problem is IDK what npc to kill haha, in act 2 so I am a bit lost lol
@utoobchnl
7 ай бұрын
Is it just me or can you definitely not use your warlock spell slots for smites…?
@Cephalopocalypse
7 ай бұрын
The game will use your spell slots of that level from other classes first before letting you use your warlock slots - it's annoying, but doesn't actually change the number of smites you get per day
@russianFB7442
7 ай бұрын
If using gloves of dex. Could u put 8 dex and use some points elsewere? What would you recommend?
@Cephalopocalypse
7 ай бұрын
Yep! You can pick up additional wisdom to boost your save, or extra strength for the jump distance and better chances to shove/resist shoves.
@biggoclonk5088
9 ай бұрын
Would GWM fit into this build? It seems to lead to more damage due to the easy advantage.
@WikiWeaponn1
8 ай бұрын
Yeah not taking GWM here is insane. It's the best melee feat in the game
@HitoryDensetsu
9 ай бұрын
Comapre to DnD this is completly broken) 6 attack with haste compare to original 3 attack with haste)
@Cephalopocalypse
9 ай бұрын
It's true! In fact, it's so true that for the hardest difficulty, Honour Mode, they nerfed both Haste and Pact of the Blade to be more in line with base 5e. See my pinned comment for more details!
@Abd121
8 ай бұрын
How do you make oathbreaker with minthara when you the oathbreaker is bugged and only show up in act 1 camp?
@Cephalopocalypse
8 ай бұрын
I haven't personally had that bug, but I'd look online to see if there's a way to fix it!
@Abd121
8 ай бұрын
@@Cephalopocalypse according to reddit this bug never got fixed since launch. Basically the act 2 camps and even the camp outside Balder's gate just doesn't have oath breaker, it broke my Paladin run because of it.
@MarkovChains223
10 ай бұрын
Now that Honor Mode is out, of all the builds you know of, which do you think would have the best chances to succeed in a solo honor mode run (without relying on stuff like barrelmancy cheese)?
@VDViktor
10 ай бұрын
Can u even solo tactician without barrelmancy? Im pretty sure u have to ise barrels at some point just to get through
@Cephalopocalypse
10 ай бұрын
Without knowing what the new legendary actions are yet, I can't guarantee that solo Honour mode is possible - there might be something like an unresistable stun for example, but my assumption is the ranged stealth attackers and Darkness users are still your best bet. This build should be a very good candidate thanks to Darkness and great saves and damage, or something like the blaster Warlock or Gloomstalker Ranger builds I've posted should be great as well. For an alternate take the Tank Wizard build may still be very good, though if the damage numbers scale too much higher than your Arcane Ward that may not work as well.
@MarkovChains223
10 ай бұрын
@@Cephalopocalypse That's what I thought as well; pending more information on the legendary actions, some version of a paladin, like this one, seems like the best bet. It almost feels certain or obvious that Larian will give at least a few of the major bosses the ability to see through or remove invisibility/stealth, so I'm expecting stealth-based builds to be less viable for a solo playthrough than usual. The wizard tank could be an interesting contender, though! I cannot WAIT to see the changes Larian's made for honor mode!! It's so exciting!!!
@MarkovChains223
10 ай бұрын
@@VDViktor oh yeah, you totally can! There's plenty of people who've completed solo tactician runs without using barrelmancy at all! It's difficult, and takes a whole lot of planning and strategy, but people have done it a bunch!
@blackman2101
10 ай бұрын
I can't afford the Minthara tax so I'll just build Wyll the exact same way (and I can test if letting Karlach join as Wyll breaks any oaths 😋)
@jaihalai7674
10 ай бұрын
There is a way to get her and not losing the tieflings, Karlach & Wyll but it is technically breaking the game.
@Cephalopocalypse
10 ай бұрын
Yeah - I think I fall in the camp of "it's good to have the evil playthrough cost you, but Minthara's cost is too high." It's hard to ever recommend it for someone's first playthrough because of how much content you miss, which cuts off some options for people who would otherwise prefer an evil run. Build should work perfectly for Wyll as well though!
@KyleHead
10 ай бұрын
I haven’t had the time (or willpower) to do a fully evil Minthara playthrough yet. But I did a very similar build to this using Astarion and it was a blast. Especially choosing certain options at the end of his quest to gain extra 1d10(?) necrotic to all attacks.
@strNpwrKC
5 ай бұрын
How does dude just completely ignore the AoE aspect of Mortal Reminder?
@Cephalopocalypse
5 ай бұрын
I like that you just made something up to get mad about, it's very efficient.
@Narcissus7
8 ай бұрын
Why is my hit rate so low with this build? Am I missing something?
@weemacgreegor4453
8 ай бұрын
Make sure you bind your pact weapon after each long rest :) if you forget then it will use your 8 strength stat to calculate chafe to hit
@previzslagaming
9 ай бұрын
is not having advantage on all your attacks really worth 5 or 6 damage per attack?
@alswisha8519
Ай бұрын
idk how the math works
@CK-ys3tu
8 ай бұрын
Why no gwm?
@FKnoire
8 ай бұрын
lacks spell slots :/
@borrow4654
8 ай бұрын
*looks away* *hears a dog whimpering* What the fuck man!
@Cephalopocalypse
8 ай бұрын
I warned you!
@MaximinaRailing
7 ай бұрын
This build is so powerful, even Minthara herself would break her oath just to join in on the fun!
@murderycatdoll1380
10 ай бұрын
SCRATCH!!!! You MONSTER 😭😭😭😜
@Cephalopocalypse
10 ай бұрын
Don't worry, that timeline collapsed and he's fine again
@the_hybrid_lestat6215
6 ай бұрын
Love the build, but you could've easily killed a human, rather than killing best boy. Not ok. 😂😂
@florin-alexandrustanciu5643
10 ай бұрын
Maul weapons are so disappointing in the game.. when I saw your weapon i thought i missed one but it's just the doomhammer from act 1 😢
@Jakepf
8 ай бұрын
Shoulda called it Pallock
@edwardflores6604
9 ай бұрын
How does this build now stand
@Cephalopocalypse
9 ай бұрын
Still great, though slightly nerfed on honour mode - check my pinned comment for more details!
@Jakepf
8 ай бұрын
Yooo that kinda sucks. I almost just got Minthara locked into this and I didn't intend to haha. I unfortunately still want the ability to respec her :(
@Cephalopocalypse
8 ай бұрын
You can rebuy your oath from the oathbreaker knight for 1000 gold (and more each time after that) and that will let you respec again - but if you want to go back into oathbreaker you'll need to rebreak it.
@Jakepf
8 ай бұрын
@@Cephalopocalypse OHHHH okay! That's a good detail to know :) thank you! I actually was considering putting a monk build on Minthara, not sure yet! Idk if it would work well at all haha.
@Martdogg3000
10 ай бұрын
Hahaha I thought maybe you could kill Withers to break your oath but then you threw the curveball.
@Cephalopocalypse
10 ай бұрын
Genuinely worried I will lose viewers for that :P
@edwardflores6604
10 ай бұрын
I thought they patched the extra attack.
@Cephalopocalypse
10 ай бұрын
Nope! I demo it near the end of the video. You might be thinking of the *bard* extra attack, which was stacking incorrectly and was removed last patch, but they seem to have confirmed that blade pact giving 3 is intentional.
@tetefather
8 ай бұрын
they've patched it for honor mode, not other difficulties. You can still stack the attacks on tactician. @@Cephalopocalypse
@VDViktor
10 ай бұрын
Jesus, out of all options to break the oath u chose to kill Scratch? I’d rather cut down the whole emerald grove.
@xsa
6 ай бұрын
Neat build, but I feel like this a double illegal move. I don't think Paladins and Warlock should be allowed to multiclass, more so Clerics and Warlocks I guess. Also, a Lloth-sworn Drow becoming a Warlock would be seen as an insult by Lloth. Mechanically sound build, lore wise 0/10.
@grigoregruesome3606
5 ай бұрын
The only way it makes sense is if you play as an oathbreaker. The rp being you’ve lost your faith so you made a pact to accomplish what you need too.
@Gulgamela
4 ай бұрын
FTA
@Cephalopocalypse
4 ай бұрын
Cheers!
@Deadknight67
7 ай бұрын
You can break your oath by simply killing the tieflings trapping Lae'zel at the beginning no need to respec. Also you're not a fully functional spell caster because you're limited to level 3 spells. Very nice build otherwise, GJ.
@ProfessorAres
5 ай бұрын
Wouldn’t it be stronger to just go 6 levels straight into paladin to get the extra attack earlier, then just respec to 2 levels in paladin and 5 in warlock later on?
@sokkejimbo
7 ай бұрын
Hey @Cephalopocalypse ! Currently trying this build out in an honormode run with a couple of friends. I'm having a hard time figuring out why we're respeccing at all? There aren't any choices to make as oathbreaker and we don't change any stats or the likes. How come we need to be so meticolous. Is it not just a matter of breaking the oath when you reach lvl 5 so that you have pact of the blade
@Cephalopocalypse
7 ай бұрын
Hey! It's not really required most of the time, but there's several bugs with oathbreaker that it can avoid (you can see even here, when we do the oathbreaker screen it shows us as level 2 instead of level 1, because the game can sometimes invent weird phantom levels). It's just for extra safety!
@oval291
6 ай бұрын
16:28
@mannyn2587
9 ай бұрын
Nooooooo not Scratch 😭
@welkingunther4298
10 ай бұрын
Wouldn't 5 lock 5 paladin and then 2 fighter be better for action surge + fighting style? The action surges also synergizes perfectly with warlock's lv 3 spell slots being on short rest.
@ingolf82
10 ай бұрын
you lose Aura of Hate, the reason this build exists, you need level 7 oathbreaker Paladin
@welkingunther4298
10 ай бұрын
@@ingolf82 Hmm. Unless the aura of hate was for RP reasons, I'd still say Action Surge + fighting style is way stronger than aura of hate. But if it were for RP, I'd also question as to why Minthara signed a pact with a devil to become a warlock.
@Cephalopocalypse
10 ай бұрын
It's basically never wrong to go fighter 2 so I definitely wouldn't tell you not to do that! You do lose Aura of Hate, so on non-action surge turns your damage will be a lot lower, and Aura of Protection, which is incredibly valuable defensively, so I prefer this version overall as it lets you use your charisma in so many powerful ways, but either is great!
@welkingunther4298
10 ай бұрын
@@Cephalopocalypse Honestly forgot about the aura of protection at lv 6. I personally think that's more impressive than aura of hate since action surge being on short rest makes it so every encounter can be action surged + warlock smites without any drawbacks. But +5 to saving throw aura is huge.
@welkingunther4298
10 ай бұрын
@@DavionAngeles How is math disproving action surge giving you 3 more attacks (which means 3 more smites) is weaker than aura of hate, which is only 5 damage per hit. Action surge is way better for big fights. You can't convince me that aura of hate 5 dmg per hit is better than 3 more smites (Which also means 3 more dice rolls for crits as well). You then mention "Overkill" but firstly tell about "math" disproving action surge being way stronger. Lol, be consistent. Action surge is mathematically better and more versatile than 5 extra dmg per hit. The only good argument is losing out on +5 to saving throws aura for you and allies.
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